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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt the trade deadline in the

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Speaker 2: NFL has passed. The Steelers have not made a deal.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: There were some rumors floating around out there. They proved

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Speaker 2: to be unfounded that the Steelers trade from Jay cornerback

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Speaker 2: Jayalen Johnson. That did not happen. There were some moves,

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Speaker 2: not the flurry of moves that we had seen the

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Speaker 2: previous two years, but there are some it's.

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Speaker 3: Four o'clock, might we hear something the next fifteen minutes?

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Speaker 2: That perhaps, and something got finalized at the last minute.

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Speaker 3: But there were a couple of reasonably large deals. But

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Speaker 3: I expected more flurry of activity. You know, teams like

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Speaker 3: Denver didn't do anything, or Giants or you know, some

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Speaker 3: of these bottom feeders I thought would be selling off more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The Interestingly enough, I believe the only deal that

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Speaker 2: I saw that involved an AFC North team was the

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Speaker 2: Brown shipping Donovan Peebles Jones to Detroit for a six round.

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Speaker 3: Pick yeah, and you'd think they'd be more of a buyer,

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Speaker 3: but he just doesn't seem to fit in at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Since getting Elijah Moore, I.

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Speaker 2: Think he's Elijah Moore doesn't seem to finish. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what's going on.

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Speaker 3: The non Amari Cooper receivers there are kind of a mess.

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Speaker 3: People's Jones isn't a bad pickup for them though Detroit.

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Speaker 3: I was always looking for like those DJ Shark Josh Reynolds, tall,

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Speaker 3: skinny down the field outside the numbers guy, and I

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Speaker 3: put People's Jones right there with any of that tall

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Speaker 3: and skinny though he's just skinny, but he's not a

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Speaker 3: little guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So that one happened. The Washington Commanders traded

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Speaker 2: not one of their edge rushers.

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Speaker 3: But both of them.

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Speaker 2: They both get traded, the Commanders trading Montes Sweat to

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Speaker 2: the Bears and then sending Chase Young to the forty

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Speaker 2: nine Ers.

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Speaker 3: Really interesting. I mean, both those guys are playing really

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Speaker 3: well this year. Young's kind of rejuvenated his career after

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Speaker 3: all those injuries. Both are free agents after the year,

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Speaker 3: So then I think the Niners look at it like

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Speaker 3: third round pick. Let's take a shot to try to

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Speaker 3: win this thing. Defense has been a little sluggish the

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Speaker 3: last few weeks. Their edge guys other than Bosa are fine,

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Speaker 3: but you got that Ohio State connection with Young and Bosa.

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Speaker 3: I think Bosa as usual is right at the top

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Speaker 3: of the league and getting double teams and whatnot, but

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Speaker 3: he's not been as productive as last year. I think

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Speaker 3: they're trying to free him up a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: And Washington, I'm sure looks at it like, well, we

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Speaker 3: weren't going to re sign either one of them. I

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Speaker 3: thought they would keep one of the two. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: we get a third or you know.

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Speaker 2: These first round picks on both of the night.

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Speaker 3: Now right now, you know, but they didn't pick up

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Speaker 3: his fifth year option. They got it so much invested

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Speaker 3: in the defensive tackle position and to get to Washington

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Speaker 3: a minute. But the Bears, this sort of feels like

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Speaker 3: Chase Claypool. You know, you know you're gonna pick super

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Speaker 3: early and you gave up a second. But I, frankly,

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Speaker 3: I just think Sweats much more valuable than Claypool.

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Speaker 2: Why I think they I think they're probably looking at

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Speaker 2: this as like, hey, we can use the franchise tag

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Speaker 3: And keep him or talk to he's better than a

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Speaker 2: He's an established Yes, first rate, I.

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Speaker 3: Think that we're at least getting the rest of this

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Speaker 3: a Tony and you know, he's probably better than any

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Speaker 3: and he's a bird in the hand and it's a

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Speaker 3: real weakness for them too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's a good player, so that that makes

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Speaker 3: But we have a new owner there, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that just kind of screaming that they don't think Sam

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Speaker 3: Let's accumulate as many high picks as we can to

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Speaker 3: trade up if we need to, and also don't want

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Speaker 3: to dedicate that cap space. Yeah, I'm kind of looking

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Speaker 2: But you know, I mean, you know, I think Washington

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Speaker 2: is just getting as many picks as they can.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't feel like they are there this year obviously.

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Speaker 3: I mean their on line could certainly use some work too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so just get go, get as many picks as

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Speaker 2: you can and see what. You know, what what you

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Speaker 3: And frankly they don't even need to know the how

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Speaker 3: issue at right the second at Halloween, Happy Halloween everyone. Yea,

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Speaker 3: how about that that one I addressed up just.

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Speaker 2: Pretendings as Matt mass stresses me, so.

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Speaker 3: We say dumb things. Blame the other one. But I mean, Washington,

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Speaker 3: if hol falls on his face and is horrible the

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Speaker 3: rest of the year, well then you're in the quarterback market.

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Speaker 3: If he's tremendous, well then you got something, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have to have that answer yet.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of quarterbacks, Josh Dobbs headed to Minnesota. Uh, he

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Speaker 2: will take. Yeah, you know the it was the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: announced earlier this week, I yesterday actually that Josh Dobbs

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Speaker 3: It'll be Toon or Kyler.

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Speaker 2: And there are reports out there that's going to be tuone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure quite yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you're gonna activate Kyler Murray, better if

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Speaker 2: They've got one quarterback on the roster right now, I

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Speaker 3: Of the week, somebody's gonna get acted.

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Speaker 2: Then you're gonna play him.

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Speaker 3: Then you're gonna play him. Yeah, it does scream that

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Speaker 3: but they also as it stands now now the Cards

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Speaker 3: all the Vikings or whoever it's looking to buy him.

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Speaker 3: But the Cards right before the season gave up a

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Speaker 3: for a six I think today, so basically kind of

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Speaker 3: I just don't quite understand it from the Cards though,

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Speaker 3: I mean, why not just keep them, let him either

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Speaker 2: I guess they figured they could, you know, they had

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Speaker 2: they figured they could. They had gone that has gone

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Speaker 2: Murray's ready to come back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just move on, and maybe they like Tune as

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Speaker 3: he's not just gonna dump them, or he's a nobody.

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Speaker 2: Or if you if you're gonna take a quarterback with

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Speaker 2: the first overall pick next year, you can go find

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not hard. That's holding Koy back, right, Yeah, whatever, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I guess that's true. I guess you just kind of

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Speaker 3: used a car at least a car for a year

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Speaker 3: or whatever. Basically, and Dobbs, I'm sure he's popular around

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Speaker 3: here and seems like a great guy and he's super

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Speaker 3: smart and all that stuff, but that's basically what the

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Speaker 3: fifth team that's basically told him the same thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean so, yeah, he had a little

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Speaker 3: he's better than what the Vikings have at the moment

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Speaker 3: after the Cousins trade, and frankly, he's shown I can

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Speaker 3: you know. So yeah, that's what happened with with the Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: The Bills acquire Resul Douglas in a twenty twenty fourth

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Speaker 3: Indeed, I mean Elam hasn't been great, White's been hurt.

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Speaker 3: They're good at nickel, but they always played and they're

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Speaker 3: always in nickels, So that big outside corner makes sense

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Speaker 2: After yesterday they signed Leonard Fournette to their practice squad,

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Speaker 3: Some moves there, Yeah, it all makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Just looking around here. What else were there? Weren't? Oh

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Speaker 2: Ezra Cleveland fired by the Vikings for by the Jaguars

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Speaker 3: But they got something okay for him, right, and it

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Speaker 3: wasn't like a three picks Yeah, So basically they traded

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Speaker 3: Cleveland for Dobbs, right, yeah, And so I guess that

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Speaker 3: adds up. I know this isn't super riveting radio, but

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Speaker 3: they signed They signed Dalton Risner Riisinger week one or

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Speaker 3: old lines playing really, really well, so Cleveland got bumped

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Speaker 3: the backup job. And he's a big pile moving guy.

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Speaker 3: We just saw the Jags. They had the stand for

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Speaker 3: would imagine he becomes a swing guy and you know,

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Speaker 3: you're trying to make a run line. Depp is never

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Speaker 2: No it's not. And uh so you know, good for

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Speaker 2: the Vikings too, Yeah, get something, give something up, kind

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Speaker 2: of a as you said, a swap of Josh Dobbs

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Speaker 2: for Ezra Cleveland to help.

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Speaker 3: You deal with a really tragic cousin situation.

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Speaker 2: Because a sixth round pick for Dobbs right now essentially

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Speaker 2: basically an early like right now would be the first

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Speaker 2: six round pick for for Dobbs.

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Speaker 3: Oh, the pick that you're getting, Yeah, I see you're saying, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the other way around, the other way around the Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: For the Vikings, essentially you got a fifth round pick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There. Basically there's gonna be some compicts in there, but

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Speaker 2: that's you know, what you get from the Cardinal or what.

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Speaker 2: Never never, never mind, that was my talking swimming here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's funny.

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Speaker 3: When you started the show, you said, here, it is Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: I mean even Burk's, the first round pick is build

437
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Speaker 3: up speed, big guy, tackle breaker, not really a route

438
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Speaker 3: runner either. And think about if you're Atlanta. Okay, they're

439
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Speaker 3: giving us Levis, Well, let's go look at his college

440
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 3: reports and some preseason tape. He didn't really play in

441
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Speaker 3: He didn't play that much. He played badly when he did.

442
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Speaker 3: You know, he lost the job. He couldn't beat out Willis,

443
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Speaker 3: So like, what are you going off of? You know,

444
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Speaker 3: you're going off your Kentucky stuff.

445
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're basically playing just our base stuff probably,

446
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Speaker 2: and you know, we'll see if he's able to beat it.

447
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Speaker 3: Well he did, and he did. Yeah, Hopkins didn't.

448
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, more so than anything else. And the Falcons

449
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 2: Desmond rad Or stinks. Oh, he stinks.

450
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Speaker 3: It's such a weird offense if their usage of these dudes,

451
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Speaker 3: what if they Kirk Cousins are tant.

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Speaker 2: It's not even so much how he throws the football,

453
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Speaker 2: but it's it's just his ball security is.

454
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Speaker 3: Awful, horrendous, awful. I don't like how I threw his

455
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 3: football either, but the balls is a problem. I mean, he's,

456
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Speaker 3: you know.

457
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 2: Just moving around in the pocket and guys are knocking

458
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Speaker 2: the ball loose on him, Like what, No, that can't happen.

459
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Speaker 3: He hit the ball two weeks ago head the ball

460
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 3: is super loose, like as he's crossing the goal line,

461
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,679
Speaker 3: smacked touch back. You know, like, what do you do?

462
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Speaker 2: You might have gotten away with that at Cincinnati, you're

463
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Speaker 2: not getting away with it in the NFL.

464
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Speaker 3: And he's a smart, conscientious kid by all accounts, Like

465
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Speaker 3: that's a small little detail that you should be able

466
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Speaker 3: to handle right now. Yeah, and he doesn't throw the

467
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Speaker 3: ball particularly well.

468
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Speaker 2: And not particularly well. Yeah, so he got yanked in

469
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Speaker 2: that game.

470
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Speaker 3: Ye quote injured, but when he was cleared, well, while

471
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Speaker 3: you stay on the sideline.

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Speaker 2: They sat him down. It's just so happened. It was

473
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Speaker 2: at halftime yeah, yeah, let's wait that. Let's see what

474
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Speaker 2: Taylor Heineke's.

475
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Speaker 3: Got here, and then Heinike and the head coach Arthur

476
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Speaker 3: Smith and all those guys. So oh, Ritter's our guy.

477
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Speaker 3: I think he's gonna start this week. But his leash, the.

478
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Speaker 2: Leash is very Yeah, he did. He was not playing well.

479
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Speaker 3: No, I mean they went a division with a Tannehill. Yeah,

480
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's not the greatest culture

481
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Speaker 3: in the world, but they haven't won much lately. In Yeah,

482
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Speaker 3: go get a guy that's okay. Jacoby Brissett would win

483
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Speaker 3: that division for him.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, we're gonna get to a break. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt I was listening to a show today

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Speaker 2: on another outlet, and they were talking about it was

496
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Speaker 2: a fantasy show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were.

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Speaker 2: Talking about shutdown defenses or elite defenses in the league,

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Speaker 2: and somebody brought up the forty nine ers and the

500
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Speaker 2: host said, the forty nine ers are an elite defense.

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Speaker 3: And it stuns me a little.

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Speaker 2: Look what Look what's happened to in the last two

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Speaker 2: or three weeks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be getting run on.

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Speaker 2: I said the same thing with Cleveland, and yeah, you

506
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Speaker 2: know what.

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Speaker 3: Constitutes s cartage and.

508
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Speaker 2: What constitutes a great defense in today's NFL.

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Speaker 3: Well, you and I had a slight little bit of

510
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Speaker 3: this conversation, you know, between segments, and I'm sitting here

511
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Speaker 3: thinking like, well, who is the best? To you? Then,

512
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's someone's got to be the best. And

513
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Speaker 3: I still think the Niners and Browns are about as

514
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Speaker 3: good as it gets. I mean, they have big time playmakers.

515
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Speaker 3: But the last couple of games have not gone well.

516
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Speaker 3: But isn't the big topic in the league that all

517
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Speaker 3: offenses stink like something special teams leading the day or

518
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Speaker 3: what's going on?

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Speaker 2: So if you look at some of the great games

520
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Speaker 2: that say Cleveland has had defensively, yeah, it's been against really.

521
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Speaker 3: Burrow without a calf really bad.

522
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Speaker 2: They've dominated the really bad offenses. The last two weeks

523
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Speaker 2: they've gotten lit up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and even the Niners, Like people are complaining about

525
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 3: hard Grave because he's not the run stuffer that everyone

526
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Speaker 3: envisioned him to be, and then they go trade for

527
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Speaker 3: Chase Young today like they're worried.

528
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, they're trying to trying to get the defense better.

529
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Speaker 2: Like as bad as the games for the Steelers were

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Speaker 2: against San Francisco and Cleveland to open the season, they

531
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Speaker 2: were two of the better offensive performances against those two

532
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Speaker 2: defenses in the first three weeks, the.

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Speaker 3: First up until a couple of weeks ago, up until

534
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Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks, they were uglier performances than that.

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Speaker 2: So right now I'm looking at the d v o

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Speaker 2: A rankings for defense. Yeah, Baltimore's number one.

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Speaker 3: That adds up. But you talk about Colts without Richardson

538
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Speaker 3: Strouds first start, they didn't even play p J. Walker,

539
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Speaker 3: they played DTHR.

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Speaker 2: They've had again, they've had some of those games.

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Speaker 3: They've gotten it more than anybody have been fortunate of

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Speaker 3: what they get when they get them. Their numbers are great.

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Speaker 3: I mean steal your point from between segments. They're always

544
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Speaker 3: playing with the lead before you know.

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Speaker 2: They're time of possession. They're always leading the league in

546
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Speaker 2: time of possession. So their defense is rarely like they

547
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Speaker 2: don't get a lot of plays run against them.

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Speaker 3: I mean their first quarter point differential is like forty

549
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Speaker 3: or fifty in their favor already, you know, like they're

550
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Speaker 3: winning by a touchdown before you know even switch the

551
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Speaker 3: other side of the field. It has been really good.

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Speaker 3: I bet numerically statistically it is one. You know, Dvoa

553
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Speaker 3: knows a thing or two, but I bet most people

554
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Speaker 3: would have them one. We're pretty far in you start

555
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Speaker 3: to flush away a little bit of it's a small

556
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Speaker 3: body of work. But they don't really pass the sniff

557
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Speaker 3: test to me, you like.

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Speaker 2: They don't do anything special.

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Speaker 3: No, And it wouldn't be like, boy, who's the last

560
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Speaker 3: defense you want to face and must win game? I

561
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Speaker 3: don't think I picked Baldo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Steelers for fourteen points up on them in

563
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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, and it was really wasn't all that difficult.

564
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Speaker 3: But I don't know who I would pick.

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Speaker 2: So Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Cleveland is two, okay, and they were so far ahead

567
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Speaker 3: of the pack.

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Speaker 2: The fact that they're now two shows the last two

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Speaker 2: weeks exactly.

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Speaker 3: But I mean this is a Steeler note, and it's

571
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Speaker 3: a huge football note. I mean, if you don't know

572
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Speaker 3: this by now, then you've been living under rock. Baltimore's

573
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Speaker 3: offense helps their defense way more than Cleveland's offense helps

574
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Speaker 3: their defense, let alone Pittsburgh's offense helps their defense. You

575
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, get me off the field.

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Speaker 2: Every once in a while, be nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right.

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Speaker 2: Dallas is three.

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Speaker 3: I think they're in the conversation still. I mean, they

580
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Speaker 3: had a bad showing against the Niners, but if other

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Speaker 3: than that, the defense has probably been top five ish

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Speaker 3: week after week. And they're disruptive. I mean, they have

583
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Speaker 3: the star power.

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Speaker 2: Two four is Jacksonville.

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Speaker 3: I was wondering where they're at because they were better

586
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Speaker 3: than I thought, and they're better than I thought before

587
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Speaker 3: I dug into them. You know that it's a pretty

588
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Speaker 3: good group. They take the ball away, yeah, I mean,

589
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Speaker 3: and if that's sustainable, but they have a formula. They

590
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Speaker 3: stuff the run, they're physical, and they take the ball away.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that that constitutes elite, but

592
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Speaker 3: that is good.

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Speaker 2: Enough to today's game.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Five is Kansas City.

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Speaker 3: It's been really good.

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00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: Their past defense is what's really been been very good.

598
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: Their run defense is still twenty third.

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit how they're built. They know they're

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Speaker 3: going to score points.

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Speaker 2: Well, but they're not scoring points.

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Speaker 3: That's saying yeah, but in terms of like offseason team building,

603
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: they would much rather be good against the pass in

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Speaker 3: the run.

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Speaker 4: Then you have the Jets, talk about not getting help

606
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Speaker 4: from the offense. They're eighteenth and rushed rush dv Awa. Okay,

607
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 4: it's not great. No, they've had some down moments.

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00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: Then you have Detroit.

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Speaker 3: They were bad against the Ravens. Other than that, they've

610
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Speaker 3: been pretty strong. They looked good last night. New Orleans solid,

611
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Speaker 3: always solid. Pittsburgh hm and again I would love to

612
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Speaker 3: see this defense go in with a ten point fourth

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Speaker 3: quarter lead.

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Speaker 2: Here's here's the interesting thing about the Steelers. Ninth here

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Speaker 2: now they are. They were eighth going into last week's game,

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Speaker 2: So now they're nine.

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Speaker 3: Uh, they take the ball with.

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Speaker 2: The past defense is ninth. Okay, the rush defense a

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Speaker 2: little lower, it is fourteenth. I don't think people think

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Speaker 2: about this Steelers can't stop the run. I don't think

621
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Speaker 2: pretty darn good at it. Since after that. You throw

622
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Speaker 2: those two first two weeks out.

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Speaker 3: Those first two weeks were two long runs. Yeah, I mean,

624
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: which skews things a little, But.

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Speaker 2: They've been pretty good since. Like they held they held

626
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Speaker 2: Baltimore to a season low in rushing. He was one

627
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five yards. You're playing Lamar in that

628
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: game too. It's not just the running back, oh.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, right, Like this is just rush killing people

630
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Speaker 3: on the ground. And he didn't he did, he had

631
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Speaker 3: a catch.

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Speaker 2: Lawrence didn't kill them scrambling.

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Speaker 3: No, no, I mean, I know d V eight doesn't

634
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 3: care about the wives. But the Rams ran the ball

635
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Speaker 3: with success. But the Steelers are bagging them to do it. Yeah,

636
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 3: I mean if DVa's and DVa's gonna be like, I'll

637
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 3: give you extra points because that's what you do.

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00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: Right. It doesn't say, well, they were running in the

639
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Speaker 2: six man.

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Speaker 3: Box, right right, that's the results. Why can but can

641
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: offensive stink and defensive stink? Or they're just some really

642
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: hideous defenses that are is where all the scoring is going.

643
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Speaker 2: Well, let's take a look.

644
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Speaker 3: Here, here's the dead worst Denver. But they're not as

645
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Speaker 3: bad as they used to be, not as.

646
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Speaker 2: Bad, but it's still it's still pretty bad. Arizona.

647
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like Denver's really bad. Don't get me wrong,

648
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 3: they're thirty second. I'm not saying they're good. But if

649
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: we were somewhat of a Denver apologist and said, let's

650
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Speaker 3: take the Miami game in the game, right, yeah, I

651
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: mean it's probably twenty fifth. It's not great, but it's

652
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Speaker 3: not historically bad.

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Speaker 2: So the bottom the bottom ten here are Denver, Arizona, Chicago, Carolina,

654
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Speaker 2: Green Bay.

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Speaker 3: That's the most disciplined. They're all first round picks.

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Speaker 2: The Chargers, Washington. How bad is Washington gonna be?

657
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Speaker 3: Now? Edge guys play?

658
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Atlanta is it? Twenty five? Las Vegas at twenty four,

659
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: the Rams at twenty three, Miami Vegas defense, Miami at

660
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: twenty two, Las Vegas defense line. I saw somebody posting

661
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: something on somebody posted something on Twitter. I swear to it,

662
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: or the actually former x X form former x or

663
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: whatever Twitter X boy. Robert Splaine is elite since he

664
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: left Pittsburgh.

665
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Speaker 3: Elite.

666
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: Are you out of your mind? Are you out of

667
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: your mind? Elite? They got they just got run on

668
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: for two hundred yards last night.

669
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he makes a player too. He's out there all

670
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: the time. He's a middle lineback, middle linebacker.

671
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: If you make him tackle nine yards downfield, that does

672
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: not make you elite.

673
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think he can make the Steelers team.

674
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: No, I don't think. So.

675
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: We either't trade any of the three starters rotation guys

676
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Speaker 3: for him, no doubt.

677
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: Ridiculous, just a ridiculous playing.

678
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: He got a contract, great, but that's.

679
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: He's playing because they don't have anybody else.

680
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: And I think they mis evaluated him in the off season. Yeah,

681
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: but then and they just.

682
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: Got that's an awful defense. Awful defense.

683
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Speaker 3: So some of those of the bottom just don't have

684
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Speaker 3: any good players.

685
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: Atlanta, but the Atlanta's twenty fifth, they're twenty eighth and

686
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: pass d v O A.

687
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: Well, if you look at this, if I went backwards

688
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: after playing level, if.

689
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: You look at the stats of the league stats however,

690
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: like the the overall yardage.

691
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: Status yardage traditional.

692
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 2: Because people throw this out there about the Steelers defense, Well,

693
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: the Steelers defense right now in terms of yards allowed

694
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: is thirtieth three hundred and eighty two point six.

695
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: I bet they played, but they're ninth.

696
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: They're ninth in DVA defense.

697
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: Advanced stats are better right. I mean they tell the

698
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: true story, right, That's why it's not nineteen eighty five anymore.

699
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: I mean that a lot of those things break it

700
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: down to the play your success rate, you know, like

701
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: if you allow an eight yard catch on third and twelve,

702
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: that's a defensive way to win. That's like just adding

703
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: to your total that you stink. And I don't know

704
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: if you have this in front of you, and I

705
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: should note off the top of my head, but Steelers

706
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: defense plays as many snaps per game as basically anyone

707
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: out there. You're gonna allow yardage stuff, right, It's gonna happen.

708
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: And I'm sure the people out there, well, then they

709
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: should get off the field too. I'm like yes and no.

710
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: I mean your offense is three and out at a

711
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: ridiculous rate. You're gonna be back out there in a

712
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: lot in a hurry.

713
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that the Steelers they've had, they've given up

714
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: thirty points twice. Those were both losses. But they're allowing

715
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: twenty one points per game, and it's been it's been

716
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: heading in the right direction for several weeks.

717
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: Now. I don't know these numbers in front of me,

718
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: but I do know this past week aside, if the

719
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: Steelers allow twenty or fewer points, they win like eighty

720
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: five per games. Yeah, I mean over the last like

721
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Speaker 3: over like the Picket year, you know, like this last

722
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: you know the stretch where they you know, the last

723
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: two years, year and a half.

724
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Speaker 2: Like Cleveland's defense for example, which is in that they're

725
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: they're allowing nineteen point nine points per game. That there's

726
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: not a big variance there between the between what the

727
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 2: Steelers are doing and what the what the Browns are

728
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: doing there.

729
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: No, the Browns are starting to come back to the pack. Yeah,

730
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: which is bound to happen if.

731
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: You're out there too, if you're out there forever.

732
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Speaker 3: That I believe to no end. I mean, there was

733
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: a theory I used to have the fourth quarter defense

734
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 3: is dead. I don't think the quarterbacks in the league

735
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: are able to do that anymore, where they're just all

736
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: the bends and rivers out there just figure you out

737
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: and then pick you apart in the fourth quarter. There's

738
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: not enough good quarterbacks to do that anymore. But I

739
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: do think I know, without without fail, the defenses that

740
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: are out there a lot are going to just keep

741
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: going down and down down.

742
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Speaker 2: You saw with that Raiders defense last year exactly exactly.

743
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: I mean they held up on three straight possessions against

744
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: the Lions, holding them the field goals. Their offense was

745
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: doing nothing.

746
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: And then the Lions you know, red zone turnovers and

747
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 3: gave them some gifts too, because if they convert and

748
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: they moved the ball at will against the Raiders, but

749
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: except a couple of times early on, gave him back

750
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: to him. But like they're taking on Penney soool all

751
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 3: day long, and you know it's not even like Gibbs

752
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: as Jerome bet is. You could tell they were a

753
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: step slow to begin with, and then slower is a

754
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: game and on and then he's just going untouched and slashing.

755
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: Yeah right, But.

756
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: Anyways, looking at the Tennessee Titans, defense is ranked eleventh,

757
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 2: this one goes to eleven. I would have thought lower,

758
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: but they're eleventh. In rush I'm sorry, but they're high

759
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: and rushy past defense, they're twenty fifth.

760
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: That makes sense. Is rush like three or four?

761
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: Rush defense is two?

762
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that adds up. I mean Jacksonville and them

763
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: are very similar that way, except they're not. They're the

764
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 3: Miller lite version of Jacksonville.

765
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: Well, the difference is Jacksonville is four against the run, okay,

766
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: five in DVO against the pass because they do take.

767
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 4: Because they Yeah, what would you rather be at this

768
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 4: point in the NFL?

769
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: What would you rather be? In today's NFL?

770
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: It used to be passed one hundred percent. But now

771
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: if you can make a team one dimensional and you

772
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 3: know what's coming, it's gonna be throw after throw after throw.

773
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: There's a handful of teams kind of like Brady versasle Bo,

774
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: that's just not going to go your way, you know,

775
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: I mean, but those teams seem to be fewer and

776
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 3: fewer in between. I still would probably say pass because

777
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: to me, the most important thing on the defense is

778
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: pass rush, which contributes to that of course, but really,

779
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 3: to me, the most important thing is just studs on

780
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 3: the D line, which Simmons and those guys are helpful

781
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: against the run, right, you know, as well as doing

782
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: all the above. So I don't know that it's a

783
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: slam dunk anymore.

784
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Philadelphia is number one against the run this year,

785
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 2: They're twenty third against the pass. They're eighteenth overall.

786
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: So that's funny. What if Philadelphia's O played Philadelphia's D

787
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 3: like that would be exactly who Philadelphia doesn't want to see, right, Like, okay,

788
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 3: all right, Jalen, you know, we stopped your run and

789
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 3: we got pass rushers. But Aj Brown's better than our

790
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: corners and Godters better than our linebackers. We made you

791
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: one dimensional and you're a really good offense, but we

792
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: got pass rushers who wins that bat.

793
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: It's almost it's almost like the same thing with like

794
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: if that when Philadelphia plays San Francisco.

795
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Like.

796
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: Okay, they'll stop McCaffrey from running the football, now can

797
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: they do that? Yeah? Can they do?

798
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: The rest of Ebo and Ayuk are better than the

799
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 3: guys covering them is along with the same with Kittle

800
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 3: and McCaffrey's receiver. So you wonder are those teams would

801
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: they prefer to stop the run and make you one

802
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: dimensional unless you play Mahomes.

803
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I get it. Yeah, I mean I

804
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: get it. Stopping is it's no fun to be run

805
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: against all day long. And I don't know that you

806
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: have to be a slam dunk. You're just gonna shut

807
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 2: you down. You're not going to run the football deep

808
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: you know kind of defenses. You have to be good

809
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: enough at it to get some stop when you need

810
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: to stop.

811
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean you can't get pushed around that much.

812
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: Is because teams will do that against you all day long.

813
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 3: The Accelerators last night. Yeah, I mean you can't be

814
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: that team.

815
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: No, I'm just looking at who's thirty second. Carolina is

816
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: thirty second against the run.

817
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another one. I bet that the fourth quarter,

818
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: when you're losing by twenty and they're just handing the

819
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: ball to Kamara or Beijon or whoever you're playing, it

820
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: starts to really wear on you.

821
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's just interesting. I don't know. There isn't

822
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: a a shut you down every team. Doesn't matter who

823
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 2: you play, we're gonna stop it. That team doesn't exist

824
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: in today's NFL.

825
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't. It's funny because I keep going back

826
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 3: to well scorings down quarterbacks are bad. You would think, yeah,

827
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: there's six awesome defenses out there too, that's mowing down

828
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: the Tyrod Taylor's of the world, you know, and nobody

829
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 3: really is. Yeah, it's a weird time in the NFL.

830
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: It really is to me. I think taking the ball

831
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: way is the key is the.

832
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 3: Key, no doubt. Big plays splash, which the Steelers do.

833
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

834
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: I mean again, if you could have anything on defense,

835
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: I said pass rush, but I really mean splash because

836
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: I think that comes from pass rush, you know. I

837
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: mean that's the symptom, you know. Yeah, So I mean

838
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 3: down to down. Is the Steelers defense phenomenal? No, But

839
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 3: splash wise, they're the top of the list. I mean,

840
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: especially with the healthy Minka and Hayward and all that

841
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: stuff too. At their on their best day, I'll put

842
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: them up against the Niners or Browns or Dallas in

843
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: terms of creating splash or Jacksonville taking the ball away,

844
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: you know.

845
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's enough. They've won them a couple

846
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: of games this year. But I just got that that

847
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: whole conversation get be like who is good?

848
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: Right now? Who is good? Yeah? Who's great?

849
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: Like? Is there a defense out there that? You know?

850
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 2: If we could take it back to fantasy football, it's

851
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: it's they're in a bye week this week. Am I

852
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 2: going to really hold on to this defense? If they're

853
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: playing the Eagles coming out of the.

854
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: Break man, No way to start my quarterback in those guys.

855
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't exist, doesn't.

856
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: Exist, but it has a lot over the last twenty years.

857
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 3: Over the last couple of years. Something think about. Yeah,

858
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: something doesn't quite add up there.

859
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get to another break. He is Matt Williamson.

860
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. We of course used FTN Fantasy

861
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: for those DVOA rankings. But anyways, we're gonna get to

862
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:27,759
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Speaker 2: have the Steelers official quote here. This is an odd

872
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Speaker 2: week votes report today from their walkthrough. Yesterday's practice report

873
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Speaker 2: was an imaginary practice.

874
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: That's the weirdest thing in NFL history to me. By

875
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 3: the way, I know that there's betters in fantasy folks

876
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: like ourselves, and that we want to know these things.

877
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: Speculate what would have happened had you actually had a practice.

878
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: If we practice, I think he would have been limited

879
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: or full participant.

880
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: Today was a walk through. It was even a shortened walkthrough.

881
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: It was even a two hour walk through. It was

882
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: an hour and fifteen minute walkthrough. And so Kenny Pickett

883
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: listed is limited. Demonte can stop you.

884
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: Just for a second. Yes, So like at Pitt the

885
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: three years I was at Pitt, we would go to

886
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 3: either a hotel on the road or a hotel downtown

887
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 3: before the night of the game, and we would have

888
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 3: a walkthrough in the ballroom, Yes, with all the dudes

889
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: after before they eat their snack for the night in

890
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: sweats and tennis shoes, walking around.

891
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: Ye, walking a mile, walking a mile.

892
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: So it's not any then resembling a practice.

893
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: Not even close. H So Pickett was officially quote unquote

894
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: limited with that rib injury. They'll they'll have another walk

895
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 2: through tomorrow, which.

896
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: He'll tell us a lot more.

897
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, they have to come up with a designation.

898
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: How the rules work.

899
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: Demonte Casey a full participant in today's walk through. He

900
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 2: has a hand issue.

901
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 3: His hand didn't slow him down did not walk around.

902
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: Anthony McFarland, who has another week remaining in his twenty one.

903
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: Day when getting a little precarious.

904
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: So he was a full participant today. Levi Wallace with

905
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: the foot.

906
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: Do you remember was McFarland a full participant at any

907
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: point last week?

908
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: I think so? Yeah, so yeah, uh so Levi Wallace

909
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: limited today with the foot in the walk in and

910
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: he missed last week. Minka Fitzpatrick did not practice, and

911
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: Cam Hayward was up to a full participant much the

912
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: same way he was last Friday.

913
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 3: So that's not late breaking news.

914
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: This is not any kind of breaking news. This is

915
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 2: not anything that's We're.

916
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: Not saying he's not playing or he is playing, but

917
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: the fact that he did what he did today matters.

918
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: Is not any more.

919
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 2: Matters not one. I owed it and I walked through

920
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: and he walked through practice.

921
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

922
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: Okay, this could be Mike Tomlin playing games with Mike

923
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: Rabel hell Cam Hayward because he said early as we

924
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 2: go Hayward could be activated for this game. I don't

925
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: think that happens on a short week.

926
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 3: I don't have a feel for it one way or not.

927
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: Just my general thrill for the whole situation.

928
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: To you on this one. When he's ready, he's going

929
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: to play, right, Yeah, And it sounds like it's close,

930
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,959
Speaker 3: is it? Or is it ten days away? Close?

931
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 2: Right? I mean, why why not take the extra time

932
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: if he can? You know, he's chomping at the bit

933
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: le just the way I feel about it. Again, I

934
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: don't know anything you know specifically about the situation, but

935
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: I mean, don't why rush him back for a Thursday

936
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 2: night game that.

937
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: It seems usually that you wait the extra time.

938
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's generally the way it goes across

939
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: the league.

940
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 3: Anyways, It's like to see him and all that, But

941
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: do you have any thought on Minca? I mean, he

942
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: didn't go on I R right.

943
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: Could he be ready for green Bay potentially?

944
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: I mean he's not playing this week, Yeah.

945
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: He's not playing this week. Potentially, could be ready for

946
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: next week.

947
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 3: He's a huge loss. But and I'd love to have

948
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: him manipulating Levis and whatnot. But I don't know the

949
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: Levis is going to manipulate the remaining safeties either or

950
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: they don't have a tight end. That's super scary or

951
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: you know, so, I.

952
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: Mean, what are you gonna do to put manc on

953
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins.

954
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: It seems like you could put KZ over his side

955
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: and help them.

956
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: Do the same thing.

957
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

958
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: The only thing I think you do kind of miss.

959
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 3: I mean miss a lot.

960
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: He's the playmaking ability is you know, and the ability

961
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of disguise.

962
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 3: I think that's actually what my article is about this week.

963
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: I just called him a firefighter. He just puts out fires. Yeah,

964
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: you know, like I think they would have put him

965
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: on Ingram.

966
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 2: I think he's having a great year.

967
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: I thought I said he did the best year of

968
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: his career.

969
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just doesn't have any turnovers at.

970
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: This point the stats, you know, but that doesn't mean

971
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: his contributions aren't off the charge.

972
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 2: It's it's what you know, we used to talk about

973
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: all the time, which you don't see with a guy

974
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: who's now playing more coverage than he has in the past.

975
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: Is all the throws that quarterbacks pass up because his

976
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: coverage is good.

977
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: They fear him. Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind.

978
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 3: Pretty much since he's been a Steeler, the other team

979
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 3: is instructed during the week, we'd really prefer he didn't

980
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 3: go that direction. Yeah, you know what I mean. And

981
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 3: when he's in deep middle.

982
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: That's hard, right, Yeah, it certainly is, but they've done

983
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: more this year, like coming into this week, and I

984
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: know they both played a lot last week, but KZ

985
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: and Kean O'Neal are both over three hundred defensive snaps

986
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: and Fitzpatrick just over four hundred. So it kind of

987
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: tells you what they've been doing with those guys.

988
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, and this week excuse it because he only

989
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 3: played eight yeah, you know, and those guys were almost.

990
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: But doesn't skew it that much that they they've no,

991
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: they've only played one hundred or he's only played one

992
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: hundred more snaps than those two guys. They've mixed and

993
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 2: matched those two guys. You know, when they've wanted to

994
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 2: put Fitzpatrick on somebody as a defensive back, a lot

995
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: of times KZ is a deep centerfielder. They'll still have

996
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: Neil on the field. They use KZ like he's a

997
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: cornerback or I'm sorry, Minka, like he's a cornerback, right,

998
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: you know.

999
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: Like against Kirk to start the game this week or

1000
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: those type of things. Yeah, it's a great situation. KZ

1001
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: allows Minca to get out of center field, right, you know,

1002
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: what I mean, because he can do it, he's not

1003
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: as good at it, but he allows Mica to drop

1004
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: down and do other stuff, put out other fires, right

1005
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 3: you know yeh where Neil is a lot different than KZ.

1006
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: You now that I think they're predictable, you know, like

1007
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 3: a little bit. Yeah, they're gonna be strong and free,

1008
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 3: you know those two. Yeah, you know. And I think

1009
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 3: you'll see less big nickel, which is something they've done

1010
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: a lot too. You don't get that still.

1011
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: Might do some of that like against this team in particular,

1012
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: because they're gonna come out and try. They're gonna come

1013
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: out with double tight ends and.

1014
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: They do that a lot.

1015
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1016
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: And they also do have a full back out there sometimes.

1017
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 2: So you're gonna see that that three saver thump. Yeah,

1018
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: well he can think yeah he's a thump or two.

1019
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 3: He can he can get Henry on the ground. Yeah

1020
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So yeah, maybe this week

1021
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: that makes some sense. Okay.

1022
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: And I also think you'll you'll see a lot more

1023
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: of they've they've mixed a match to linebackers as well.

1024
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: Might be more of a Roberts game.

1025
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: This might be more of a Roberts game.

1026
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's kind of the same thing.

1027
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 3: Does Roberts and I should look at this the are

1028
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 3: Roberts and Niels snap counts high on the same week? Yeah,

1029
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Or do you When we're

1030
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 3: gonna put Roberts in there, we don't want to get

1031
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: too heavy, we want the top, you know.

1032
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: I think there's there's some of that going on as well.

1033
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 2: But when when they play these kind of teams, these

1034
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 2: teams at the team have a full back. Ye, Roberts

1035
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: is definitely gonna be on the field on early downs.

1036
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he can handle Henry and yeah, right now, I think.

1037
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: He's going to take on the full back in the

1038
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: hole and do those kind of things a little bit too. Yeah,

1039
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: he's such a good blitzer. Absolutely, And it was going

1040
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: to get to another break. He is Matt Williamson. I

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