WEBVTT - Introducing - Robert Pickton: The Final Chapter, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Hi everyone, This is Steve Fishman from Orbit Media and

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<v Speaker 1>just a quick announcement. Our new series Lives of Crime,

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<v Speaker 1>True Crime from True Criminals drops March twenty fourth. Meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>we're bringing you episodes from some of our favorite podcasters today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the first episode of a new series from our friendsic,

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian True Crime. It's called Robert Picton the Final Chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of you will recall Robert Picton, the Canadian pig

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<v Speaker 1>farmer who confessed to murdering forty nine women on his farm.

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<v Speaker 1>In this special mini series, Alsie Canadian host Christy Lee

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<v Speaker 1>revisits the case with tons of new information. There's much

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't know about mister Picton.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a.

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<v Speaker 1>Killer made, not born. In his childhood, cruelty and violence

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<v Speaker 1>were daily fair and now there's new evidence Picton may

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<v Speaker 1>not have acted alone, just one of the things the

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<v Speaker 1>police missed. And then in this series there are the women,

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<v Speaker 1>the victims. Finally, this series tells their stories. Here's the

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<v Speaker 1>first episode of Robert Picton the Final Chapter. The second

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<v Speaker 1>episode is available now at Canadian True Crime wherever you

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<v Speaker 1>get your podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy Canadian True Crime is a completely independent production. The

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<v Speaker 2>podcast often has disturbing content and course language. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>for everyone. Please take care when listening.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi. I'm Christy Lee and welcome to episode two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>of Canadian True Crime. I started this podcast nine years

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<v Speaker 3>ago as a passion project and it still is today,

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<v Speaker 3>so thank you so much for joining me. This special

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<v Speaker 3>four part series has been pieced together primarily from the

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<v Speaker 3>public record, including court documents, newspaper archives, the final report

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<v Speaker 3>of the Missing Women Commission of Inquiry, and On the Farm,

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<v Speaker 3>the definitive book by the late award winning investigative journalist

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<v Speaker 3>Stevie Cameron. Please be aware this series includes distressing details

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<v Speaker 3>that might be difficult to hear. There's also mention of

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<v Speaker 3>sexual assault, residential schools, Indigenous issues, child abuse, and suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>Please see the show notes for crisis referral services. Proceeds

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<v Speaker 3>are being donated to the Wish Drop In Center, society

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<v Speaker 3>supporting street based sex workers on Vancouver's downtown east Side

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<v Speaker 3>since nineteen eighty four. It's a cold night in March

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<v Speaker 3>of nineteen ninety seven, and a thirty year old woman

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<v Speaker 3>named Wendy is working a street corner in Vancouver's downtown

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<v Speaker 3>east Side, often referred to was the poorest postal code

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<v Speaker 3>in Canada. The downtown Knee Side is known for high

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<v Speaker 3>concentrations of poverty, homelessness, mental illness has it a substance

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<v Speaker 3>use crime and sex work. A red pickup truck.

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<v Speaker 4>Pulls up to the corner.

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<v Speaker 3>The driver is in his late forties, baulding with greasy,

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<v Speaker 3>scraggly hair hanging down the back and sides. He asks

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<v Speaker 3>Wendy how much she charges for oral sex. She tells

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<v Speaker 3>him the going rate is forty dollars. He offers her

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred dollars if she comes back to his place

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<v Speaker 3>in Port Equitlam. Wendy needs the money, but that's about

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<v Speaker 3>a forty minute drive away. Can't they find somewhere closer,

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<v Speaker 3>The driver insists, promising to drop her.

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<v Speaker 4>Back by one in the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>She gets into the pickup and they drive out of

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<v Speaker 3>the city. The man doesn't want to make conversation. After

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<v Speaker 3>a while, the sie violence starts, making Wendy uneasy. She

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<v Speaker 3>might only be thirty, but she's already lived a far

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<v Speaker 3>heavier life than her years suggest. Wendy started using drugs

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<v Speaker 3>in her teens and joined forces with two men ten

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<v Speaker 3>years older than her with criminal records. They would be

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<v Speaker 3>arrested for stealing cigarettes and other goods. She gave birth

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<v Speaker 3>to a daughter with one of those men, but according

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<v Speaker 3>to an obituary, their little girl passed away as a toddler.

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<v Speaker 3>Wendy retreated to drugs for a while, but she pulled

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<v Speaker 3>herself together. Vancouver is a port city, and she found

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<v Speaker 3>a job on a local fishing boat as a deckhand

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<v Speaker 3>and crew cook. She fell into a relationship with the

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<v Speaker 3>captain and gave birth to two children with him. For

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<v Speaker 3>a few years, Wendy's life was mostly stable, but the

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<v Speaker 3>urge to use was not easy to overcome. The relationship

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<v Speaker 3>broke down, and she left her children with their father

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<v Speaker 3>to get help for hazardous substance use. Cocaine and heroine

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<v Speaker 3>were her drugs of choice, but she was also desperate

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<v Speaker 3>to see her kids again. Wendy ended up living on

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<v Speaker 3>Vancouver's downtown east Side with some of society's most vulnerable

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<v Speaker 3>marginalized people, trying and failing miserably to get clean. That

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<v Speaker 3>cold night in March of nineteen ninety seven, she was

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<v Speaker 3>stuck in survival mode, sustaining her drug use through stealing

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<v Speaker 3>an outside sex work.

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<v Speaker 4>In the red.

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<v Speaker 3>Pickup truck Wendy is feeling increasingly uneasy as they continue

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<v Speaker 3>driving out to Port Coquitlam, or at least that's where

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<v Speaker 3>the man told her they were going. She asks him

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<v Speaker 3>to stop at the next gas station so she can

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<v Speaker 3>use the washroom. He refuses and continues driving sallantly. The

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<v Speaker 3>man stops the truck at a property with a padlocked gate.

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<v Speaker 3>He gets out, unlocks the gate, and drives in. Wendy

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<v Speaker 3>realizes the man lives on a farm, not a house.

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<v Speaker 3>There's old cars and junk everywhere. He parks beside a

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<v Speaker 3>mobile trailer home and ushes Wendy inside. It's filthy in there,

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<v Speaker 3>the air is stale and there's mess everywhere. She notices

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<v Speaker 3>a large butcher knife lying on the table as he

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<v Speaker 3>leads her through the kitchen and into a back room.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no bed, only a sleeping bag on the floor.

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<v Speaker 3>The man gives Wendy the hundred dollars and she performs

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<v Speaker 3>oral sex followed by intercourse. Nothing out of the ordinary.

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<v Speaker 3>She gets dressed and asks to use the phone to

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<v Speaker 3>call a friend. She senses the man behind her and

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<v Speaker 3>he gently takes her left hand. Then, without warning, he

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<v Speaker 3>snaps a handcuff onto her wrist. Wendy is jolted by

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<v Speaker 3>an intense fear for her life. For a split second,

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<v Speaker 3>she freezes, Then her body's trauma response activates, automatically, deferring

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<v Speaker 3>to habits she learned earlier in life, and Wendy has

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<v Speaker 3>always been a fighter. She punches and kicks him. She

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<v Speaker 3>grabs a potted plant and whatever she can reach and

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<v Speaker 3>swings it at him. As he fights back, she finds

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<v Speaker 3>herself backing toward that butcher knife she saw on the

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<v Speaker 3>kitchen table. She grabs it and slashes the man across

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<v Speaker 3>the neck. He roars as the blood starts flowing, but

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<v Speaker 3>he grabs a cloth, holding it to the wound and

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<v Speaker 3>keeps fighting. Now there's an intense struggle for the knife,

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<v Speaker 3>and Wendy suddenly feels herself losing consciousness.

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<v Speaker 4>When she comes.

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<v Speaker 3>Too, the man is over her, holding her down, and

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<v Speaker 3>then now back outside the pickup truck, she's still gripping

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<v Speaker 3>the knife in her right hand and jabs at him,

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<v Speaker 3>screaming at him to let her go. She feels him

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<v Speaker 3>weakened and seizes an opportunity to slide out from under him.

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<v Speaker 3>Still holding the knife, she staggers down the driveway covered

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<v Speaker 3>in blood. Wendy doesn't realize she has suffered catastrophic injuries

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<v Speaker 3>because adrenaline has taken over, numbing the pain and keeping

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<v Speaker 3>her moving with a singular focus escape. Terrified he's going

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<v Speaker 3>to come after her, she limps across the street.

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<v Speaker 4>And knocks on a house. No answer.

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<v Speaker 3>She tries to break a window to get inside, but

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<v Speaker 3>then she sees headlights approaching.

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<v Speaker 4>It's him. She ducks down, but.

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<v Speaker 3>As the car gets closer, she sees it's not him

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<v Speaker 3>and there's a woman in the passenger seat. Feeling safer,

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<v Speaker 3>Wendy runs out and screams for help.

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<v Speaker 4>The car stops.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an elderly couple, but they hesitate at the sight

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<v Speaker 3>of this small woman, half naked, soaked in blood, with

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<v Speaker 3>her internal organs exposed.

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<v Speaker 4>Holding a knife.

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<v Speaker 3>Wendy throws it on the ground and the man opens

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<v Speaker 3>the back door and helps her into the car.

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<v Speaker 4>As they call.

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<v Speaker 3>Nine one one for police and an ambulance, Wendy points

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<v Speaker 3>toward the farm.

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<v Speaker 4>She tells the couple that if.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything happens to her, the man living in the trailer

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<v Speaker 3>there was responsible.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's been injured.

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<v Speaker 1>Two.

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<v Speaker 3>Wendy is rushed to emergency surgery with significant blood loss,

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<v Speaker 3>deep stab wounds to her abdomen, and a punctured long

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<v Speaker 3>She's lucky to be alive. Wendy would have known that

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<v Speaker 3>an increasing number of women just like her had been

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<v Speaker 3>disappearing from the Downtown east Side in recent years. That's

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<v Speaker 3>why she was on high alert. What she didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>was that the the DNA or remains of at least

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<v Speaker 3>seven of those women were already on the farm she

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<v Speaker 3>just escaped from, waiting to one day be discovered, and

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<v Speaker 3>there would be more to come. Years later, when Robert

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<v Speaker 3>Picton was identified as the man now considered Canada's worst

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<v Speaker 3>serial killer, the remains or DNA of thirty three missing

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<v Speaker 3>women would be found on that farm.

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<v Speaker 4>Most of them were.

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<v Speaker 3>Sex workers, disproportionately Indigenous and thought of as expendable, disposable,

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<v Speaker 3>not worthy of care. It's believed there were many more

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<v Speaker 3>victims than that, and years later Robert Picton would confirm

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<v Speaker 3>it himself when the details began to emerge about how

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<v Speaker 3>their remains may have been handled and disposed of, the

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<v Speaker 3>implications were so shocking and grotesque that many struggled to

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<v Speaker 3>even grasp what they were hearing. This case has been

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<v Speaker 3>described as a tragedy of epic proportions, leaving the families

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<v Speaker 3>of all those women with a lasting legacy of grief,

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<v Speaker 3>at least ninety eight children without their mother, and a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of unanswered questions. In twenty twenty four, Robert Picton

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<v Speaker 3>became a victim himself of prison vigilante justice. His death

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<v Speaker 3>might have closed his chapter, but this story is far

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<v Speaker 3>from over. The evidence suggests that others knew what was happening,

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<v Speaker 3>and worse, he likely did not act alone. This special

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<v Speaker 3>four part series traces the case from the very beginning

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<v Speaker 3>right up to where it stands today. From a disturbing

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<v Speaker 3>childhood on the Picton family farm where cruelty and exploitation

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<v Speaker 3>were normalized and morality optional, where Robert and his brother

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<v Speaker 3>were shown that bad deeds can be covered up using

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<v Speaker 3>privilege in intimidation, to the blatant police failures, systemic injustice,

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<v Speaker 3>and deep rooted societal prejudice that enabled that violent culture

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<v Speaker 3>to continue long after the Picton parents were dead. Most importantly,

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<v Speaker 3>this series centers the vulnerable women who would targeted, restoring

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<v Speaker 3>their names, stories, and humanity through the personal accounts of

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<v Speaker 3>those who loved and missed them, making space for the

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<v Speaker 3>unanswered questions still being asked to this day. Robert William

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<v Speaker 3>Picton was born in nineteen forty nine to parents Leonard

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<v Speaker 3>and Louise Picton. They were pig farmers who lived in

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<v Speaker 3>pork Equitlam, a city in the Metro Vancouver area, about

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<v Speaker 3>thirty five minutes drive from downtown.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't live.

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<v Speaker 3>On the property we now know as the Picton Farm,

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<v Speaker 3>though Leonard had inherited his family's homestead and farm a

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<v Speaker 3>few kilometers away and worked on it through his twenties

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<v Speaker 3>and thirties, showing no other interests. When he was forty

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<v Speaker 3>seven years old, he surprised his family by bringing home

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<v Speaker 3>a much younger woman he'd met in a coffee shop.

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<v Speaker 3>Her name was Louise Arnold. She was thirty one years

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<v Speaker 3>old and from Saskatchewan. They got married and Louise moved

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<v Speaker 3>into the Picton family homestead five years later. The couple

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<v Speaker 3>had their first child, a daughter, Linda, in nineteen forty eight,

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<v Speaker 3>then first son Robert, followed by second son David, a

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<v Speaker 3>year apart. Linda and David were said to take after

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<v Speaker 3>their mother Louise physically anyway, short with round faces. The

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<v Speaker 3>middle child, Robert or Willie, as his family started calling

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<v Speaker 3>him took after father Leonard. Tall and slim, with a

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<v Speaker 3>narrow face and a long pointed nose. The Picton family

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<v Speaker 3>lived in Port Coquitlam, known as Poco by the locals. Today,

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<v Speaker 3>the city has a population of almost sixty thousand people,

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<v Speaker 3>but back in nineteen forty nine it was around three thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>It was known for being rural farmland territory. Leonard Picton

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<v Speaker 3>was reportedly a workaholic who had minimal interaction with any

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<v Speaker 3>of his three children. He was not an engaged parent.

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<v Speaker 3>He specialized in livestock and the production of pork, and

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<v Speaker 3>expected sons Robert and David to work on the farm

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<v Speaker 3>as soon as they were able to, aiding in the

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<v Speaker 3>slaughtering and butchering of pigs. Some accounts by neighbors and

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<v Speaker 3>co workers paint Leonard as a violently abusive and abrasive man,

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<v Speaker 3>all too ready to dole out punishment to his sons.

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<v Speaker 4>In the form of beatings.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems that daughter Linda might have been spared from

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<v Speaker 3>this treatment. In later interviews, she would portray Leonard in

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<v Speaker 3>a positive light as a respectable father with good intentions.

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<v Speaker 3>But she said her younger brother Robert was never close

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<v Speaker 3>to his father. In fact, he seemed a bit scared

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<v Speaker 3>of him. Linda described Robert as shy and naive, a

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<v Speaker 3>mumma's boy. Robert himself would later say that he and

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<v Speaker 3>his mother were like two peas in a pod. The

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<v Speaker 3>reasons for that label are not entirely clear. In town,

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<v Speaker 3>residents reported hearing Louise nag and publicly sham Robert in

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<v Speaker 3>front of other children. He became increasingly withdrawn, often remaining

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<v Speaker 3>silent for long stretches, and hiding when he feared he

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<v Speaker 3>was in trouble with either parent. The responsibilities of homemaking

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<v Speaker 3>and child wearing fell to Louise, picked in by default,

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<v Speaker 3>and she was not a nurturing or maternal presence to

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<v Speaker 3>any of their three children.

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<v Speaker 4>Her focus was also.

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<v Speaker 3>On the family business, pigs. Everything else came a distant second.

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<v Speaker 3>As a mother, Louise was remembered as harsh and abrasive,

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<v Speaker 3>and was frequently heard screeching orders at her children. Those

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<v Speaker 3>who came into regular contact with her described her as odd, eccentric,

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<v Speaker 3>and unkempt workaholic who paid little attention to her own

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<v Speaker 3>health or appearance. Former neighbors recalled her rotting teeth an

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<v Speaker 3>apparent indifference to personal hygiene. The children were reportedly bathed

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<v Speaker 3>only about once a week, which wasn't enough to remove

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<v Speaker 3>the farm stench. Those same neighbors went inside the pict

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<v Speaker 3>In home briefly and would describe it as dirty and

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<v Speaker 3>foul smelling. Farm animals were allowed to work wonder freely

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<v Speaker 3>through the farmhouse, relieving themselves indoors without consequence. Louise made

0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:12.520
<v Speaker 3>little effort to clean, seemingly unfazed by the conditions. She

0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:18.480
<v Speaker 3>always wore men's rubber gum boots. Louise was strict and demanding.

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<v Speaker 3>She required her children to spend long hours slopping pigs

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<v Speaker 3>and caring for animals, sometimes even on school days. To outsiders,

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<v Speaker 3>the Picton family appeared to be poor, living below the

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<v Speaker 3>poverty line. As one local resident put it, everyone knew

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<v Speaker 3>the Pictons and no one knew the Pictins. The reality

0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:46.480
<v Speaker 3>was they owned the family homestead outright and some additional

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<v Speaker 3>parcels of land, and the farm was profitable. They just

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<v Speaker 3>chose to live that way. It was said that the

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<v Speaker 3>general attitude of the Picton family was that there was

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<v Speaker 3>nothing wrong with a bit of mess or a life.

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<v Speaker 3>Many of the memories Robert Pickton would recall from his

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<v Speaker 3>childhood and early adulthood were disturbing if true. He would

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<v Speaker 3>claim that one time his father left him sitting in

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<v Speaker 3>his truck and he accidentally moved the gearstick into neutral,

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<v Speaker 3>which caused the truck to start rolling down a hill

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<v Speaker 3>and crash. Robert would claim his father beat him severely

0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.520
<v Speaker 3>for not stopping that truck. He was just three years

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<v Speaker 3>old at the time. In another story, he recalled being

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<v Speaker 3>about four years old when his mother, Louise, caught him

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<v Speaker 3>smoking a cigarette. As punishment, she forced him to smoke

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<v Speaker 3>a whole cigar, thinking it would cure him for good,

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<v Speaker 3>and it did. Robert would say it was the last

0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:54.080
<v Speaker 3>cigarette he ever had. He would also tell a particularly

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<v Speaker 3>disturbing story later about a pet calf he had when.

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<v Speaker 4>He was young.

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<v Speaker 3>This this was noteworthy because he suddenly became animated when

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<v Speaker 3>he remembered the calf story and recalled vivid details. According

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<v Speaker 3>to Robert, when he was about twelve, he developed a

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<v Speaker 3>close emotional attachment with this calf, spending as much time

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<v Speaker 3>as he could with it day or night. One day,

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<v Speaker 3>he came home from school to find his favorite animal

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<v Speaker 3>was missing. He looked over the house and then the farm,

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<v Speaker 3>and he asked his family members, where's my calf. He

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<v Speaker 3>was horrified when they suggested he look in the barn,

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<v Speaker 3>knowing that's where the animals were slaughtered. It seemed his

0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:44.360
<v Speaker 3>family wanted him to discover his pet calf hanging upside

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<v Speaker 3>down in a shed, slaughtered and disembowed. Robert would tell

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<v Speaker 3>investigators he was distraught at the site and refused to

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<v Speaker 3>speak to his family for four days. They promised to

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<v Speaker 3>buy him a new calf, but he didn't want an

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<v Speaker 3>He wanted his pet back. He was traumatized by the incident,

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<v Speaker 3>and even as an adult, it was only something he

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<v Speaker 3>would share with people he'd become close to. After that,

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<v Speaker 3>he seemed to develop the sentiment that life goes.

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<v Speaker 4>Around and around with little meaning.

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<v Speaker 3>Robert and younger brother David were being groomed by their father, Leonard,

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<v Speaker 3>to take over the family farm. He taught them animal

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<v Speaker 3>husbandry and butchering, and when they weren't at school, they

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<v Speaker 3>were expected to work. But Linda, the eldest of the

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<v Speaker 3>three picked in children, wasn't much of a fan of

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<v Speaker 3>farm life and wanted to be as far away from

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<v Speaker 3>it as possible. She was always described as the smart one,

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<v Speaker 3>according to Stevie Cameron's book on the Farm. When she

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<v Speaker 3>was in grade nine, Linda decided to move in with

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<v Speaker 3>relatives closer to Vancouver. She was away from the farm,

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<v Speaker 3>and after that she reportedly had as little to do

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<v Speaker 3>with her family as possible. Leonard and Louise purchased more

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<v Speaker 3>land just a few kilometers away on Dominion Avenue and

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<v Speaker 3>moved over there with their sons. This is the property

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<v Speaker 3>that would come to define the Picton family far more

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<v Speaker 3>than they could have ever imagined. If Robert Picton were

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<v Speaker 3>in school today, he might well have been diagnosed with

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<v Speaker 3>a learning disorder and offered support and treatment. People who

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<v Speaker 3>knew him would say he was far more intelligent than

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<v Speaker 3>he was given credit for. But back in the nineteen

0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:53.080
<v Speaker 3>sixties when he started high school, he was labeled slow

0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:58.360
<v Speaker 3>and placed in special education classes at school. This embarrassed

0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.400
<v Speaker 3>him and made him an easy target for bullies.

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<v Speaker 4>His severe lack of.

0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:07.760
<v Speaker 3>Personal hygiene, combined with the ratty, stinky clothes he wore,

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<v Speaker 3>did not help. Robert dropped out of high school as

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<v Speaker 3>soon as he could in grade eight. Louise was not

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<v Speaker 3>at all troubled by her son's decision. She put him

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<v Speaker 3>to work right away full time on the farm. She

0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.480
<v Speaker 3>told him he needed to learn how to slaughter the

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<v Speaker 3>pigs himself, and at first he said he didn't want to,

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<v Speaker 3>but he eventually relented and began learning the trade. This

0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:38.919
<v Speaker 3>was Robert's life. He'd never really known anything else but

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<v Speaker 3>school and the farm. In October of nineteen sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen year old Timothy Barrett left home at about eight

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<v Speaker 3>pm to walk to a friend's place. It wasn't a

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<v Speaker 3>long walk, just up the road and down Dominion Avenue,

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:13.960
<v Speaker 3>the same street as the new Pigton farm. Timothy put

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.200
<v Speaker 3>on his jacket and told his parents he'd be home later.

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<v Speaker 3>He never returned home. After a few hours, his parents

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<v Speaker 3>found out that Timothy never actually arrived at the friend's home.

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<v Speaker 3>They panicked and started checking in with neighbors to see

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<v Speaker 3>if anyone had seen him or knew where he might be.

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<v Speaker 3>At about one am, Timothy's parents reported him missing to

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<v Speaker 3>the local RCMP, and the search continued throughout the night

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<v Speaker 3>with no sign of him. In the early daylight hours,

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:54.439
<v Speaker 3>Timothy's father was still on Dominion Avenue searching alongside the

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<v Speaker 3>road with a neighbor when he spotted a shoe on

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<v Speaker 3>the side of the road. It looked like Timothy's. About

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 3>ten feet away was a deep ditch running alongside the road.

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<v Speaker 3>He walked over and peered down. Submerged in several feet

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<v Speaker 3>of water was his fourteen year old son. Timothy Barrett

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:21.840
<v Speaker 3>was dead. The RCMP quickly developed a theory that Timothy

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:24.439
<v Speaker 3>must have been walking along the road when he was

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<v Speaker 3>struck from behind by either a car or a truck

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<v Speaker 3>and then hurled over into the ditch. The car was

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<v Speaker 3>probably speeding and Dominion Avenue was poorly lit. The houses

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 3>were sparse because it wasn't a developed area. As the

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<v Speaker 3>body was sent for autopsy, the RCMP received a phone

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<v Speaker 3>call from a local mechanic who said he'd seen the

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<v Speaker 3>news reports of a hit and run and had something

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<v Speaker 3>strange to report. He said the son of one of

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<v Speaker 3>his regular clients had shown up the night before wanting

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<v Speaker 3>a fast repair to an old, red, beaten up farm truck. Specifically,

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 3>he wanted the smashed front indicator light repaired, along with

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 3>a dent on the front fender, which he also wanted

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:15.679
<v Speaker 3>to be painted over. The young man told him a

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.439
<v Speaker 3>log had fallen on the truck back at the farm,

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:23.080
<v Speaker 3>but the mechanic looked at the dent and was suspicious. Also,

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:27.920
<v Speaker 3>the entire truck was old and completely banged up. Why

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 3>the sudden request to repair this one area. Hours later,

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 3>that mechanic saw the news about Timothy Barrett and contacted

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 3>the police, giving them the name of the young man

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<v Speaker 3>who requested the repairs, David Picton. That's Robert Picton's younger brother.

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<v Speaker 3>At the time, David was sixteen and had just earned

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<v Speaker 3>his driver's license. David Picton was charged in juvenile court

0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:58.120
<v Speaker 3>with failing to remain at the scene of an accident.

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<v Speaker 3>He would be placed on in definite probation and his

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<v Speaker 3>driver's license suspended.

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<v Speaker 4>For five years. As far as the.

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<v Speaker 3>Criminal justice system was concerned, Timothy Barrett's death was the

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<v Speaker 3>result of a careless accident. Partial blame was assigned to

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 3>Timothy himself for walking on the side of the road

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:22.359
<v Speaker 3>where cars would be coming up behind him, wearing dark

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 3>clothing on a dimly lit night. A coroner's inquiry concluded

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:31.159
<v Speaker 3>that David Picton was the one most at fault for

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.800
<v Speaker 3>driving the truck that hit Timothy from behind and for

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<v Speaker 3>not stopping as Timothy was hurled into the water filled ditch.

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<v Speaker 3>The autopsy confirmed Timothy suffered a fractured skull and a

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:48.360
<v Speaker 3>broken pelvis, but those injuries would not have been fatal.

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.280
<v Speaker 4>The actual cause of his death.

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<v Speaker 3>Was drowning in the water, but there was more to

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<v Speaker 3>the story. It began as whispers among names, but some

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 3>twenty five years later it was confirmed to journalist and

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 3>author Stevie Cameron. Robert Pickton himself would later tell a

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 3>friend that he knew exactly what happened that night. At

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 3>the time, he was seventeen years old, and he recalled

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 3>David bursting into the farmhouse saying he'd hit someone with

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 3>his car and they were probably badly hurt. He pointed

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 3>to the red truck. Robert saw a new dent in

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:33.120
<v Speaker 3>the front right fender with marks and what.

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<v Speaker 4>Looked to be blood.

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<v Speaker 3>Mother Louise sprang into action. She ordered sixteen year old

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 3>David to clean the blood off and drive the truck

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 3>straight to their mechanic for a rush repair job. She

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 3>told him to tell the mechanic that he'd hit a pole,

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 3>a story that would have been slightly more believable than

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.840
<v Speaker 3>the one he actually told of a log falling on

0:27:55.960 --> 0:28:00.439
<v Speaker 3>the truck. Then Louise got into another vie called to

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 3>look for the person that David hit. She later told

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 3>her son, Robert, and at least one other person that

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 3>she was driving down the road and around the corner

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 3>when she spotted Timothy Barrett lying injured at the side

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 3>of the road. He was there because of her son's actions,

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:22.200
<v Speaker 3>but instead of helping the fourteen year old, she said,

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 3>she dragged him ten feet over to the water filled

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 3>ditch and pushed him in. Robert and David Peckton were

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 3>still teenagers themselves learning.

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:37.680
<v Speaker 4>How the world worked.

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 3>Their mother had just shown them that basic morality could

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 3>be overridden if self preservation was at stake, that responsibility

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 3>for causing serious harm, even death, could be managed by

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 3>cleaning evidence and coordinating stories that human life was disposable.

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<v Speaker 3>It's telling that Robert Picton later expressed a deep admiration

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 3>for his mother's strength and discipline. There were never any

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 3>consequences for Louise Picton's alleged actions. By the time this

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 3>all came to light decades later, she would be dead.

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 3>Father Leonard was in his late seventies by this point.

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 3>His health was deteriorating and he couldn't work.

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 4>The farm like he used to.

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Now it was up to his wife Louise, their two sons,

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 3>and whoever else they could find to help on a

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 3>regular basis. Louise sent Robert to the Woodland School in

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 3>New Westminster for children with developmental disabilities, runaways and wards

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 3>of the state. The school allowed Robert to pick up children,

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 3>drive them back to the farm and use them as

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 3>cheap or unpaid farm labour for the day, before.

0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 4>Returning them in the evening.

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<v Speaker 3>Years later, an investigation would expose rampant abuse of children

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.080
<v Speaker 3>at the Woodland School.

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 4>It shut down in the nineties.

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 3>But perhaps the big takeaway for Robert Picton was reinforcement

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 3>of his mother's message that some lives carried less value

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 3>than others, that vulnerable people could be exploited, harmed and

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 3>discarded for personal gain with little risk of consequence, simply

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 3>because they existed on the margins and no one cared

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 3>enough to intervene. By the early nineteen seventies, the Picton

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 3>brothers were in their early twenties. David was the more

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 3>outgoing one and was now dating regularly, but Robert did

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 3>not have much luck. He didn't smoke, drink, or do drugs,

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 3>and He didn't hang out at bars or nightclubs like

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 3>others his age, and even if his hygiene and appearance

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 3>issues had been taken care of, which they weren't, he

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 3>was socially awkward. He was never seen dating or with

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 3>a girlfriend, but instead had penpals all over the country.

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 3>He was starting to feel a certain way about one

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 3>of them. Her name was Connie, and she lived in Pontiac, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 3>At twenty four years old, Robert decided it was time

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 3>to take his first ever vacation so he could meet

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 3>Connie in person. He booked a bus ticket and told

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 3>his mother he'd be gone for six weeks. If Louise

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 3>tried to stop him from leaving, it didn't work. By

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 3>this point, Robert had gained some confidence and was able

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 3>to talk back to her and assert himself when needed.

0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 3>The bus ride would have been close to forty hours

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 3>one way, and it took Robert across America, stopping in

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 3>several cities along the way. He would later tell a

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 3>different female penpal that at some point he was stopped

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 3>by a scout and offered forty dollars an hour to

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 3>be a male model, the equivalent of about two hundred

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 3>and forty dollars an hour intoday's currency. It seems a

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 3>pretty unlikely story, but he claimed he wasn't interested and

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 3>turned the opportunity down. He eventually arrived in Pontiac, Michigan,

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 3>and met Connie. He claimed they were engaged by the

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 3>time he caught the bus back to British Columbia, even

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 3>calling her the love of his life. But Connie did

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 3>not want to move to Pork Coquitlam and Robert could

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 3>not leave the pig farm. That's as far as it went.

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 3>He threw himself back into the farm while also dabbling

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 3>in horses and truck driving to supplement his income. Robert

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 3>still did not date, but his siblings had each found

0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 3>partners and careers outside the farm. Older sister Linda was

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 3>married and lived in a well to do area in Vancouver.

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 3>She continued to avoid the farm and the family unless

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 3>she was needed for business decisions. Brother David lived on

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 3>the farm with his girlfriend and their two young children,

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:22.479
<v Speaker 3>while Louise had David's girlfriend working long hours on the farm.

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 3>David was not interested. He was into truck driving, construction

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 3>and demolition, and other women besides his girlfriend. They broke

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 3>up and she moved out with their kids. The next

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 3>big family event was in nineteen seventy seven, when family

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 3>patriarch Leonard was diagnosed with terminal cancer. He died at

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 3>age eighty two. A little over a year later, Louise

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:57.240
<v Speaker 3>also passed away from cancer age sixty seven. It was

0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 3>a shock for Robert to lose both parents so quickly,

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 3>but perhaps the bigger shock was in his mother's will.

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:08.800
<v Speaker 3>The Picton estate included the farm and several other parcels

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 3>of land, plus some cash. Leonard's idea of dividing it

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 3>among their children showed his preference. All Linda would receive

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:21.319
<v Speaker 3>was a lump sum payment of twenty thousand dollars, and

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 3>everything else would be divided between the two sons. But

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:30.319
<v Speaker 3>after Leonard passed away, Louise changed things around, dividing the

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:34.240
<v Speaker 3>estate equally between the three children, but with a twist.

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Linda and David were each given about eighty eight thousand

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:44.360
<v Speaker 3>dollars immediately, but Louise's will stipulated her middle son, Robert,

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 3>would have to wait until he was forty years old

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 3>to receive his share. For now, he was given an

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 3>additional lump sum of twenty thousand dollars the way Louise

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 3>structured this suggests she did not trust Robert with that

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 3>money now, and he was devastated. At the time he

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 3>was thirty years old. It would be ten more years

0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 3>until he turned forty, and even though in the end

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 3>he'd receive more money than either of his siblings, he

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 3>needed it now. They earned their own money and didn't

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:22.040
<v Speaker 3>care for the farm. It was up to him alone

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 3>to keep it going, which was not easy because a

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 3>recent fire had destroyed one of their piggery barns along

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 3>with six hundred pigs. The bar needed to be rebuilt.

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 3>He'd be trying to do it himself, but would never finish.

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 3>He saw the whole thing as a betrayal by his mother.

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 3>Robert took his twenty thousand dollars and drowned his sorrows

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 3>by purchasing a nearly new Ford truck. He got into

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 3>junking old cars, selling the usable parts, separating the copper,

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 3>and selling it to scrap yards. Whatever he couldn't get

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 3>rid of remained on the fire. Before long, there was

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 3>a growing collection of old cars and machines, along with

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 3>random scraps of wood and metal, cropped up around the

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 3>outskirts in the meantime, Robert's brother David had seen an

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 3>untapped opportunity to profit from the farm without actually having

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 3>to do farming work. The surrounding area of pork Equitlam

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:29.799
<v Speaker 3>was rapidly being developed into housing and shops, and there

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:34.399
<v Speaker 3>was strong demand for topsoil for landscape structure, and one

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 3>place that had plenty of topsoil was the farm. David

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 3>pied and started a business ripping up the farm with

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 3>a bulldozer, collecting the topsoil and selling it to local developers.

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 3>What was once a series of green fields was torn up.

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 3>The farmland turned into dirt pits with trucks, bulldozers and

0:36:56.360 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 3>other heavy equipment. Fortunately, neither David nor Robert cared about esthetics.

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 3>David had also started making friends with the Hawlls Angels.

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 3>It was now the early eighties and the first Biker

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:16.400
<v Speaker 3>War was winding up. The Hawl's Angels had established dominance

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 3>over rival club, the Outlaws, and were now focused on

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:24.760
<v Speaker 3>expanding across the country. David pict In had already started

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 3>making friends with the new Vancouver chapter. He wasn't a

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:31.720
<v Speaker 3>biker himself, but he was keen to get in.

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 4>On whatever they were doing.

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:38.280
<v Speaker 3>Before long, David roped Robert into letting the Hall's Angels

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 3>use the farm as a chop shop. He'd already been

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 3>junking old cars, some of them were stolen, and there

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 3>was a lot more room on the farm, so it

0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 3>was a natural fit. Besides, Robert was fascinated with outlaw

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:57.399
<v Speaker 3>biker culture. He ended up running the chop shop completely,

0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 3>which included managing and arranging payment for a gang of

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 3>teens he'd hired to steal cars. Robert also dabbled in

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:10.760
<v Speaker 3>cock fights and selling illegal cigarettes and alcohol. The Picton

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 3>brothers became known to local gangs and other crime syndicates

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 3>in Port Equitlam, and soon the police were eyeing them

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 3>up too. They came out to investigate rumors that the

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 3>farm was being used as a Halls Angels chop shop,

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:30.840
<v Speaker 3>but ultimately decided to focus on a more urgent priority,

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 3>catching a psychopathic serial killer who'd been preying on local

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 3>children in the area. Clifford Olson was arrested in nineteen

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 3>eighty two and would confess to murdering eleven children and

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 3>sexually assaulting others. For a time, he was known as

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:54.719
<v Speaker 3>Canada's most prolific serial killer. That is until another took

0:38:54.760 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 3>his place. In the nineteen eighties, Indigenous women were showing

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 3>up dead in Vancouver's Downtown east Side at an increasing rate.

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:14.319
<v Speaker 3>Many were sex workers. It was too easy for the

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 3>police to dismiss each death as lifestyle related. This is

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 3>one of the city's oldest neighbourhoods, just east of the

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 3>Financial District, and once described by the Vancouver Sun as.

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 4>Four blocks from Hell.

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:32.839
<v Speaker 3>The Downtown east Side is a small area with a

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:38.800
<v Speaker 3>high concentration of poverty, homelessness, drug use, mental illness, sex work,

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:44.399
<v Speaker 3>and social exclusion. But it wasn't always like that. Indigenous

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 3>communities were stewards of the land for thousands of years,

0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:52.719
<v Speaker 3>long before the Europeans arrived. The colonizers had set their

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:57.280
<v Speaker 3>sights on Vancouver's deep natural harbour as the perfect shipping

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:03.240
<v Speaker 3>hub for the British Empire. The Indigenous communities were forcibly displaced.

0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 4>From the area.

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 3>By the early nineteen hundreds. The Downtown east Side was

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:13.880
<v Speaker 3>the bustling commercial and retail heart of Vancouver, with City Hall,

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:18.480
<v Speaker 3>the City Courthouse, libraries, banks and shops. It was a

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 3>hub for transportation and hospitality, with lots of hotels to

0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 3>serve transient workers. But then came the Great Depression, causing

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:33.360
<v Speaker 3>a surge of unemployment and poverty worldwide. In the nineteen thirties,

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 3>many people came to Vancouver looking for work, and many

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:39.919
<v Speaker 3>became stranded.

0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 4>There without jobs.

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 3>Depression set in and the downtown east Side became increasingly

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 3>defined by alcohol, brothels, and general survival. Then the city

0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 3>started relocating key institutions and services. First City Hall was

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 3>moved away, then the main library. The streetcar route disappeared,

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:08.919
<v Speaker 3>and foot traffic followed. Local businesses started failing. Those hotels,

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 3>once built for workers were converted into single room occupancy

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 3>housing for people with nowhere else to go. Instead of

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 3>investing in safety, housing and social supports, government and city

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:27.960
<v Speaker 3>officials looked away once the bustling city center, the downtown

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:32.840
<v Speaker 3>east Side was now treated as a containment zone of poverty, trauma,

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 3>and marginalization. Then came World Expo eighty six, Expo eighty.

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:44.719
<v Speaker 5>Six and Vancouver a spectacular national celebrations on equood since

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 5>Expo sixty seven in Montreal, an incredible vacation experience for.

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:54.319
<v Speaker 2>The whole family. Come on, join the fun.

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:55.840
<v Speaker 5>What a city?

0:41:57.680 --> 0:41:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Three day tickets and information.

0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Predicting an influx of taurists with their wallets open. Landlords

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 3>evicted more than a thousand low income residents, pushing many

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 3>of them onto the streets or early death. Housing became

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 3>even more unaffordable, and those decades of neglect had created

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 3>conditions on the Downtown east Side where predators could prey

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 3>on the area's most vulnerable residence largely unchecked. So in

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:31.360
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen eighties, when Indigenous women started showing up dead

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 3>in the Downtown east Side, the police were apathetic. Just

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:39.719
<v Speaker 3>another naked body in a low rent hotel room with

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 3>no visible injuries and dangerously high blood alcohol levels. The

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:49.879
<v Speaker 3>police perceived it as the proverbial trash taking itself out.

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 3>What was really happening was darker than anyone could imagine.

0:42:57.120 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 3>A sadistic man was targeting vulnerable women, and he thought

0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 3>no one would miss. He would pick up an Indigenous

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 3>woman at a bar, take her to a cedy hotel,

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 3>pay her for sex, and then pay or force her

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 3>to drink lethal amounts of alcohol until she died of

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:20.400
<v Speaker 3>alcohol poisoning, and then he would slip away unnoticed. In

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty eight, the police finally caught up with him.

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:26.239
<v Speaker 4>Gilbert Paul Jordan was.

0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:29.760
<v Speaker 3>A local barber in his late fifties, known to drink

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 3>more than a bottle of vodka a day. The so

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:37.319
<v Speaker 3>called boozing barber would only be convicted for the manslaughter

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:40.680
<v Speaker 3>of one woman, but he was linked to the deaths

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 3>of another nine. Gilbert Paul Jordan was not the only

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 3>killer trolling the downtown eat side in the eighties. More

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 3>than a dozen more sex workers were murdered that decade,

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:58.080
<v Speaker 3>their bodies found dumped in back alleys, bushes nearby industrial sites.

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Several women had been mutilated with a knife. Some had

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:06.839
<v Speaker 3>been viciously stabbed, strangled, and beaten by a killer who

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:10.560
<v Speaker 3>was clearly out of control. The police would describe it

0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 3>as overkill.

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:13.280
<v Speaker 4>Most of these.

0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 3>Murders remained unsolved, and among the rising number of murdered

0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:22.479
<v Speaker 3>sex workers, there were others who just disappeared one day,

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 3>never to be seen again. In nineteen eighty seven, the

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 3>Vancouver Police Department finally set up a task force to

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.719
<v Speaker 3>focus on solving these and other cases of missing and

0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 3>murdered women from the Vancouver area.

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:42.160
<v Speaker 4>After a little over a year.

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 3>The task force disbanded. They had helped solve two cases,

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:51.440
<v Speaker 3>but left the majority of them still unsolved, the police

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.840
<v Speaker 3>had all but given up, and sex workers continued to

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 3>be targeted. Journalists Neil Hall and Kim Pemberton had been

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 3>been reporting on the issue for years for The Vancouver Sun,

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:07.720
<v Speaker 3>gathering information to show these women were not just another

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 3>sex worker. They were loved and cherished by someone. A

0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty nine feature article included profiles of nineteen women

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 3>who had been murdered in the Vancouver area since nineteen

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 3>eighty two, Some had been sexually assaulted, all unsolved at

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:29.839
<v Speaker 3>the time. The authors pose the question, is there a

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:33.320
<v Speaker 3>Ted Bundy or Green River style killer on the loose

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:39.360
<v Speaker 3>preying on women? A spokesperson from Vancouver Police's Major Crimes

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:44.120
<v Speaker 3>Unit was quoted reiterating the task forces conclusion that there

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 3>was no evidence to suggest another serial killer was running

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:51.359
<v Speaker 3>a mark in the area. This was seen by some

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:55.799
<v Speaker 3>as a baffling comment. The victims were all women, and

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:59.400
<v Speaker 3>most were sex workers living on the margins of society.

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:04.479
<v Speaker 3>Many were Indigenous, and many struggled with hazardous substance use.

0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 3>The more likely story was that these vulnerable women were

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:12.560
<v Speaker 3>thought of as expendable, not worth the resources needed to

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:25.240
<v Speaker 3>investigate their cases properly. Back in pork equitlam. Robert Picton

0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:28.319
<v Speaker 3>had taken on the full weight of the farm operations

0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:32.200
<v Speaker 3>since his parents passed away in the late seventies, from

0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 3>managing the pigs and maintaining equipment to slaughtering and butchering

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:40.360
<v Speaker 3>and servicing the client list. After all the parts of

0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:43.400
<v Speaker 3>the animal that could be used for profit were removed,

0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:47.640
<v Speaker 3>the carcass and other animal waste needed to be disposed of.

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes he would bury it in pits on the farm,

0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:55.960
<v Speaker 3>but as the eighties progressed, Robert started disposing of the

0:46:56.000 --> 0:47:00.440
<v Speaker 3>waste at a rendering plant in Vancouver called West Coast Reinsduction.

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 3>This plant processed the remains and retained the grease to

0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:10.360
<v Speaker 3>reuse in products like soap, candles, and plastics. Best practice

0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:14.240
<v Speaker 3>for storing biological waste is to keep it secure, cool

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:19.320
<v Speaker 3>and contained and sealed containers to prevent leaks, odours, pests,

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:24.720
<v Speaker 3>and contamination before it can be hygienically disposed of. Robert

0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 3>Picton didn't do that.

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 4>He was foul.

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:31.360
<v Speaker 3>His truck was foul, and so were his open barrels

0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 3>of rancid smelling waste, but there were no issues. The

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 3>rendering plant would allow small operators to drive right in

0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 3>and dump their animal remains themselves. It was later established

0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:47.440
<v Speaker 3>that there was a complete lack of oversight at the

0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:51.880
<v Speaker 3>plant that meant it was possible for unauthorized material to

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 3>be dumped straight into the massive slurry of decomposing remains

0:47:56.600 --> 0:48:00.520
<v Speaker 3>and leftover restaurant kitchen grease, never to be seen again.

0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 3>West Coast Reduction happened to be right next to a

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 3>certain Vancouver neighborhood known as the Downtown east Side, and

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Robert Picton had heard all about it from David and

0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:17.840
<v Speaker 3>his halls Angel's friends. They spoke often about going to

0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.760
<v Speaker 3>biker bars there and taking their pick of the women

0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:25.440
<v Speaker 3>on the streets engaged in survival sex work. Robert was

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 3>still a massive loaner and he was intrigued, so he

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:33.600
<v Speaker 3>started to develop a little routine. After driving into Vancouver

0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 3>to dump his waist at West Coast Reduction, he would

0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:40.480
<v Speaker 3>treat himself to a drive around the Downtown east Side

0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:50.600
<v Speaker 3>before returning to pork Equitlam women continued to go missing.

0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:55.960
<v Speaker 3>Teressa Anne Williams grew up in Semiamo First Nation and

0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:59.399
<v Speaker 3>gave birth to twin sons in nineteen eighty eight when

0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:03.680
<v Speaker 3>she was just fourteen. Years old. She ran away soon after,

0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:07.479
<v Speaker 3>leaving her baby sons with her family. Just a few

0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:11.439
<v Speaker 3>months after that, in early July of nineteen eighty eight,

0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:14.759
<v Speaker 3>Teressa phoned home to say she was planning to catch

0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:17.880
<v Speaker 3>a bus home to see her sons. That was the

0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:21.319
<v Speaker 3>last time her family ever heard from her. She was

0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:26.720
<v Speaker 3>just fifteen years old when she disappeared. About a month later,

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:32.440
<v Speaker 3>a local park groundskeeper made a horrific discovery. He found

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:36.840
<v Speaker 3>a plastic bag that contained a decomposed section of human

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 3>thigh and bone. The park was Grandview Park, which happened

0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:47.280
<v Speaker 3>to be right next door to West Coast Reduction. Years later,

0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 3>through DNA advances, those remains were confirmed to belong to

0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:58.760
<v Speaker 3>Teressa Ann Williams. The Vancouver Police Department would later state

0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:02.239
<v Speaker 3>that while there was no tangible evidence linking these and

0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 3>other disappearances to Robert Picton, he cannot be ruled out.

0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:13.399
<v Speaker 3>The following year, nineteen eighty nine, thirty four year old

0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Elaine Dumbar dropped off the face of the earth. A

0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 3>white woman originally from Regina, Saskatchewan, Elaine was troubled and

0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:25.400
<v Speaker 3>she began using drugs at around the age of fourteen.

0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:30.000
<v Speaker 3>She moved to British Columbia in the early nineteen eighties

0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 3>and lived in pork Equitlam with her common law partner

0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:37.920
<v Speaker 3>and their new baby daughter. Elaine's sister moved in with

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 3>them and would report that Elaine was struggling with hazardous

0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 3>use of heroine. The couple broke up, and after returning

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:49.320
<v Speaker 3>to Saskatchewan for a few years with their daughter, Elaine

0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:52.359
<v Speaker 3>came back to live with her sister and pork Equitlam

0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 3>once again, but that stability did not last. At some point,

0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:02.960
<v Speaker 3>Elaine left and began spending time in Vancouver's Downtownee Side.

0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:08.759
<v Speaker 3>The sisters lost contact. Elaine Dunbar was last seen in

0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:12.200
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty nine at a liquor store in North Vancouver.

0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:16.320
<v Speaker 3>She was thirty four years old. Her sister and father

0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:19.399
<v Speaker 3>looked for her in the downtown Knee Side, but there

0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:25.000
<v Speaker 3>was no trace. That same year, thirty year old Ingrid's

0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:29.239
<v Speaker 3>sowet disappeared. She was a white woman from Vancouver with

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:33.440
<v Speaker 3>a long history of mental health issues. She'd been diagnosed

0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:36.759
<v Speaker 3>with schizophrenia and was a known drug user who had

0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:41.160
<v Speaker 3>recently given birth and placed the baby for adoption. In

0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:44.239
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty nine, Ingrid was living in one of the

0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:48.600
<v Speaker 3>seedy hotels on the Downtown Knees Side. That is, until

0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:52.480
<v Speaker 3>she got evicted. She visited her family and told them

0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:57.279
<v Speaker 3>she was going to visit someone else. After months without contact,

0:51:57.480 --> 0:52:02.040
<v Speaker 3>her mother reported her missing in December nineteen ninety. There

0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:06.200
<v Speaker 3>have been no confirmed sightings of Ingrid Seward since nineteen

0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:13.719
<v Speaker 3>eighty nine. The women of the Downtown east Side were terrified.

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:18.600
<v Speaker 3>They banded together to share information about bad experiences with

0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:22.200
<v Speaker 3>clients and warn each other of men to be wary of.

0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:25.600
<v Speaker 3>This was the start of what would be known as

0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 3>the Bad Trick List. At this point, Robert Picton did

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:34.240
<v Speaker 3>not appear on the list. The women passed these bad

0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Trick Lists over to the police and started lobbying for

0:52:38.080 --> 0:52:42.040
<v Speaker 3>more action. When they suspected someone else had gone missing,

0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:45.680
<v Speaker 3>they checked in with the police. They asked for more updates,

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:49.840
<v Speaker 3>and generally tried to keep the situation top of mind.

0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:54.399
<v Speaker 3>The Vancouver Police decided to try again and see what

0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:59.600
<v Speaker 3>they could uncover with criminal profiling, a new investigative technique

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:04.000
<v Speaker 3>at the time. Criminal profiling is the process of examining

0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:07.839
<v Speaker 3>crime scene evidence for patterns that might help predict an

0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:14.440
<v Speaker 3>unknown offender's personality. Behavioral and demographic characteristics, particularly in cases

0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:17.399
<v Speaker 3>of serial offenses, in the hope it will lead them

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:22.680
<v Speaker 3>to the offender. Criminal profiling is widely used today and

0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:25.960
<v Speaker 3>often assumed to be effective, but it should be noted

0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:30.319
<v Speaker 3>there is actually little scientific evidence to support its accuracy.

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 3>Research has found that much of its credibility is anecdotal,

0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:39.560
<v Speaker 3>built on selective success stories and vague predictions that only

0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:44.320
<v Speaker 3>seem accurate in hindsight, and all reinforced by pop culture

0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:49.840
<v Speaker 3>portrayals like mind Hunter. Critics note that much like polygraph tests,

0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:55.760
<v Speaker 3>profiling can mislead investigations. When treated as reliable science rather

0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:59.880
<v Speaker 3>than a limited investigation tool, it can delay the identify

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:04.880
<v Speaker 3>of the real offender and even contribute to wrongful convictions.

0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:10.200
<v Speaker 3>It should be approached with caution. In nineteen ninety one,

0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:14.160
<v Speaker 3>the Vancouver Police Department put together a team of criminal

0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:20.359
<v Speaker 3>profilers alongside existing homicide detectives and tasked them with analyzing

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:24.480
<v Speaker 3>twenty five unsolved cases of women murdered in and around

0:54:24.560 --> 0:54:28.880
<v Speaker 3>the downtown Knee Side. The team was called Project Eclipse

0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:33.040
<v Speaker 3>and grew to include several profilers from the FBI, as

0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 3>well as a young Canadian from the Vancouver Police department

0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:40.759
<v Speaker 3>named Kim Rossmo. He had eight years experience in the

0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:45.080
<v Speaker 3>downtown Knee Side and was described as a brilliant analytical thinker,

0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:50.440
<v Speaker 3>skilled at math and working with computers. Rossmo was developing

0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:55.600
<v Speaker 3>a new practice known as geographic profiling, which involved analyzing

0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:59.200
<v Speaker 3>the crime locations and connecting them in an attempt to

0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:03.400
<v Speaker 3>learn more about a predator. His theory was that serial

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:07.000
<v Speaker 3>killers worked in areas they were familiar with and felt

0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:11.880
<v Speaker 3>comfortable in. Project Eclipse gathered for a week long conference

0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:16.640
<v Speaker 3>to analyze the known data and information, reportedly the first

0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:21.160
<v Speaker 3>time a group of international profilers had brainstormed together to

0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:25.520
<v Speaker 3>try and advance an investigation. The team sorted the murdered

0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:29.280
<v Speaker 3>women into different groups and found that with a cluster

0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:33.080
<v Speaker 3>of four linked murders, there was at least one serial

0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:36.799
<v Speaker 3>killer at work, with a possible two others out there

0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:41.880
<v Speaker 3>as well. They presented their findings to the Vancouver Police Department,

0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:45.240
<v Speaker 3>who owned the jurisdiction, hoping that there would be action

0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:50.279
<v Speaker 3>taken based on it. It fell flat. Kim Rossmo would

0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:54.400
<v Speaker 3>later say he believed this response stemmed from laziness and

0:55:54.560 --> 0:55:58.560
<v Speaker 3>lack of resources and time, but he also suspected the

0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:02.319
<v Speaker 3>department had no eye idea what to do with this information.

0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:07.480
<v Speaker 3>It was unprecedented research and required out of the box thinking.

0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:11.439
<v Speaker 3>It appears, the police effectively put it in the too

0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:15.359
<v Speaker 3>hard basket and went back to business as usual. As

0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:29.040
<v Speaker 3>women continued to be targeted. Back on the Picton farm,

0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:33.640
<v Speaker 3>Robert and David continued their association with the Howls Angels,

0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:37.839
<v Speaker 3>and the dishevelled property became a central meeting place. There

0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:42.040
<v Speaker 3>were parties, barbecues, lots of drinking, and lots of women,

0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:47.000
<v Speaker 3>but Robert remained an outsider. By this point, the brothers

0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:50.239
<v Speaker 3>were in their early forties, and while David had had

0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:54.960
<v Speaker 3>a lot of different girlfriends, Robert never dated anyone. He

0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:58.840
<v Speaker 3>didn't even interact much with their biker friends. He was

0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 3>often seen tending to the barbecue and the pig roasts

0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:06.680
<v Speaker 3>that seemed to be where he was comfortable. He'd become

0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:11.240
<v Speaker 3>friendly with a Filipino immigrant named Pat Casanova, who helped

0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:14.120
<v Speaker 3>him butcher pigs on the farm and had a very

0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 3>good recipe for barbecued pork. Together, they started a profitable

0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:24.560
<v Speaker 3>side business. The local RCMP continued to keep an eye

0:57:24.560 --> 0:57:28.520
<v Speaker 3>on the Picten brothers as rumors persisted about a Howl's

0:57:28.560 --> 0:57:33.040
<v Speaker 3>Angels chop shop on the farm. David Picton drew additional

0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:36.800
<v Speaker 3>attention of his own. He was a bad driver who

0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:40.720
<v Speaker 3>had racked up a lot of traffic incidents, including several

0:57:40.800 --> 0:57:44.240
<v Speaker 3>crashes where he was at fault and sued for damages.

0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:47.800
<v Speaker 3>He was also known to cruise the downtown east Side

0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:51.360
<v Speaker 3>to bring women back to the farm. Many people would

0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:55.680
<v Speaker 3>later say that while David Picton acted like well a dickhead,

0:57:56.120 --> 0:58:00.000
<v Speaker 3>underneath it all he was quite intelligent. He ran several

0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:03.960
<v Speaker 3>successful businesses by this point and would often bid on

0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:09.640
<v Speaker 3>large demolition jobs in Vancouver and surrounding areas. He frequently

0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:15.760
<v Speaker 3>won those contracts. In August of nineteen ninety one, a

0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:20.320
<v Speaker 3>young woman named Nancy Clark disappeared, but she was far

0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:25.320
<v Speaker 3>from Vancouver's downtown east Side. She went missing from Vancouver

0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:29.560
<v Speaker 3>Island the city of Victoria. Twenty five year old Nancy

0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:33.680
<v Speaker 3>was a caring and sensible woman, as described by those

0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:37.400
<v Speaker 3>who knew her, and a devoted mother to two daughters,

0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:42.040
<v Speaker 3>aged eight and almost one. She was also an outside

0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:46.480
<v Speaker 3>sex worker, providing for her children by soliciting clients from

0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:48.360
<v Speaker 3>a street corner in Victoria.

0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:51.280
<v Speaker 4>One night.

0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:54.520
<v Speaker 3>She never returned home from work, and her mother was

0:58:54.600 --> 0:59:00.480
<v Speaker 3>immediately concerned. That day, it was Nancy's eldest daughter's birth birthday,

0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:03.920
<v Speaker 3>and she was always there for her children no matter what.

0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:08.840
<v Speaker 3>She would never have missed their birthday. Her mother reported

0:59:08.880 --> 0:59:14.520
<v Speaker 3>her missing. At the time, Nancy Clark's disappearance from Vancouver

0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:18.120
<v Speaker 3>Island was determined to be likely not related to the

0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:21.440
<v Speaker 3>growing list of women going missing on the mainland.

0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:23.000
<v Speaker 4>But what law.

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:26.680
<v Speaker 3>Enforcement didn't know at the time was that David Picton

0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:30.200
<v Speaker 3>was working a demolition job on the island, and that

0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:34.120
<v Speaker 3>his brother Robert had gone with him to help. They

0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 3>were both on Vancouver Island at the very same time

0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:42.760
<v Speaker 3>that Nancy Clark went missing in nineteen ninety one, and

0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:47.040
<v Speaker 3>more than ten years later, Nancy's DNA would be found

0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:52.120
<v Speaker 3>on their farm on the mainland. Of the thirty three

0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:56.360
<v Speaker 3>women to be forensically linked to the Picton farm, Nancy

0:59:56.480 --> 1:00:01.480
<v Speaker 3>Clark was the earliest to disappear. This number is only

1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:10.840
<v Speaker 3>a reflection of what could still be found by that point.

1:00:11.960 --> 1:00:16.200
<v Speaker 3>The following year, David Picton found himself on the police's

1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:17.600
<v Speaker 3>raidar yet again.

1:00:18.360 --> 1:00:20.560
<v Speaker 4>A female employee.

1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:23.560
<v Speaker 3>At one of his excavation sites reported to police that

1:00:23.640 --> 1:00:28.480
<v Speaker 3>she encountered David inside an on site trailer. He pushed

1:00:28.520 --> 1:00:31.800
<v Speaker 3>her up against a wall and groped her genitals. Over

1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:37.080
<v Speaker 3>her genes, but another employee entered the trailer and interrupted him.

1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:41.120
<v Speaker 3>According to the woman, as David Picton left the trailer,

1:00:41.440 --> 1:00:45.840
<v Speaker 3>he threatened to rape and kill her. He said, I'm

1:00:45.880 --> 1:00:49.000
<v Speaker 3>going to wape you. He couldn't say the word with

1:00:49.040 --> 1:00:49.440
<v Speaker 3>an R.

1:00:49.680 --> 1:00:52.880
<v Speaker 4>He said it twice. He was laughing like crazy.

1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:58.120
<v Speaker 3>David claimed he only slapped the woman on the butt

1:00:58.400 --> 1:01:03.080
<v Speaker 3>and denied threatening her. He was charged with sexual assault.

1:01:04.040 --> 1:01:08.560
<v Speaker 3>The woman would report that after that, another employee warned

1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:12.320
<v Speaker 3>her to leave town, saying they're going to kill you.

1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:15.040
<v Speaker 3>They're going to cut you up and spread you all

1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:16.920
<v Speaker 3>over where you won't be found.

1:01:17.960 --> 1:01:19.920
<v Speaker 4>Terrified, she left town.

1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:24.840
<v Speaker 3>David Picton was found guilty of sexual assault, but the

1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:28.440
<v Speaker 3>jury noted it was moderate. He got away with a

1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:32.720
<v Speaker 3>year probation and a fine of one thousand dollars. That

1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:37.040
<v Speaker 3>was nineteen ninety two. The poor woman lived in fear

1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:41.400
<v Speaker 3>for many years. She would later be awarded forty five

1:01:41.560 --> 1:01:46.440
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars in damages after suing David Picton for inflicting

1:01:46.600 --> 1:01:57.000
<v Speaker 3>psychological trauma back at the farm. Robert's trips to the

1:01:57.040 --> 1:02:00.960
<v Speaker 3>downtown east Side were becoming second nature, and he looked

1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:04.880
<v Speaker 3>for more opportunities to visit. When his brother got a

1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:09.800
<v Speaker 3>demolition contract in North Vancouver, he saw his chance. He

1:02:09.840 --> 1:02:13.000
<v Speaker 3>would be driving near the downtown Eese Side on the way,

1:02:13.360 --> 1:02:16.720
<v Speaker 3>and with just a slight detour, he could buy himself

1:02:16.800 --> 1:02:21.520
<v Speaker 3>the company of a sex worker or two. But after

1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:25.240
<v Speaker 3>a while Robert got tired of the daily commute. He

1:02:25.320 --> 1:02:28.240
<v Speaker 3>had an old motor home parked on the farm, so

1:02:28.280 --> 1:02:30.400
<v Speaker 3>he gave it a tune up and drove it to

1:02:30.520 --> 1:02:34.480
<v Speaker 3>the demolition site. He lived there for the duration of

1:02:34.520 --> 1:02:38.920
<v Speaker 3>the job, saying he was acting as a site security officer.

1:02:38.640 --> 1:02:39.520
<v Speaker 4>Out of hours.

1:02:40.840 --> 1:02:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Now living much closer to the downtownees Side, Robert began

1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:50.680
<v Speaker 3>spending more time there. He frequented local bars, places where

1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:55.480
<v Speaker 3>many of the area's most vulnerable residents gathered. He settled

1:02:55.520 --> 1:02:59.200
<v Speaker 3>into a routine. He didn't do alcohol or drugs, so

1:02:59.360 --> 1:03:02.960
<v Speaker 3>only during soda himself, but when he found a sex

1:03:03.000 --> 1:03:06.080
<v Speaker 3>worker he was interested in, he would give her money

1:03:06.120 --> 1:03:10.120
<v Speaker 3>to buy drugs for herself as an incentive. Then he

1:03:10.160 --> 1:03:12.640
<v Speaker 3>would persuade her to go with him back to his

1:03:12.760 --> 1:03:19.640
<v Speaker 3>farm to keep partying. The situation on the ground in

1:03:19.720 --> 1:03:24.200
<v Speaker 3>the downtown east Side was becoming a crisis. Sex workers

1:03:24.200 --> 1:03:28.320
<v Speaker 3>were organizing to try and keep themselves safe. They gathered

1:03:28.360 --> 1:03:32.800
<v Speaker 3>at the Women's Information Safehouse, also known as WISH, a

1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:36.640
<v Speaker 3>non profit organization that operated a drop in center on

1:03:36.720 --> 1:03:39.360
<v Speaker 3>the downtown east Side, right in the middle of the

1:03:39.480 --> 1:03:42.800
<v Speaker 3>main strip, where sex workers could get a hot meal,

1:03:43.080 --> 1:03:47.040
<v Speaker 3>a space to rest and get ready, and access nursing.

1:03:46.600 --> 1:03:48.080
<v Speaker 4>And counseling services.

1:03:49.040 --> 1:03:53.320
<v Speaker 3>While at WISH, these women traded stories about their clients

1:03:53.560 --> 1:03:56.600
<v Speaker 3>and updated their list of johns or tricks who had

1:03:56.600 --> 1:04:00.560
<v Speaker 3>given them the creeps or shown violent or perverse ten tes.

1:04:01.280 --> 1:04:04.760
<v Speaker 3>They passed their bad trick lists to the police, with

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<v Speaker 3>descriptions of the men and in many cases, license plate numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>It's at this time that the name Willie Picton started

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<v Speaker 3>appearing on this.

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<v Speaker 4>Bad Trick list.

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<v Speaker 3>The police promised to review the information, but women continued

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<v Speaker 3>to go missing or turn up murdered in some alleyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Kathleen Watley was known as a vivacious black woman, petite

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<v Speaker 3>in stature. She lived in the United States for some

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<v Speaker 3>years before she moved to Vancouver, and she lived a

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<v Speaker 3>difficult life. About five years earlier, she survived in attempted

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<v Speaker 3>murder during a shooting stemming from cocaine use. She gave

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<v Speaker 3>birth to two young children with a common law partner

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<v Speaker 3>in Vancouver, but the couple had recently separated and Kathleen

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<v Speaker 3>was relying on sex work to help makends meet. In

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<v Speaker 3>June of nineteen ninety two, thirty nine year old Kathleen

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<v Speaker 3>Watley left her two young children with a babysitter and

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<v Speaker 3>went to meet a client on the downtown east Side.

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<v Speaker 4>She was never seen again.

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<v Speaker 3>Then there was Elsie Sebastian Jones, a member of the

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<v Speaker 3>pache Dat First Nation on the west coast of Vancouver Island.

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<v Speaker 3>Elsie was among the one hundred and fifty thousand Indigenous

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<v Speaker 3>children sent to a residential school. Often undefunded and overcrowded.

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<v Speaker 3>The residential schools program was government sponsored and run by

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<v Speaker 3>religious organizations with the goal to eradicate Indigenous culture and

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<v Speaker 3>replace it with the Western culture of European settlers. Thousands

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<v Speaker 3>of students were subjected to physical and sexual abuse and experimentation,

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<v Speaker 3>and thousands died right on their school grounds. According to

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<v Speaker 3>the Truth and reconcs Conciliation Commission, the Residential school system

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<v Speaker 3>is often associated with Canada's early history, but these schools

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<v Speaker 3>actually ran for more than a century until the last

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<v Speaker 3>one closed in nineteen ninety six. Elsie Sebastian Jones suffered

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<v Speaker 3>repeated physical abuse during her years at residential school, leaving

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<v Speaker 3>lasting emotional scars that shaped most of her adult life.

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<v Speaker 3>She gave birth to the first of four children when

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<v Speaker 3>she was just sixteen. She also struggled with depression, substance

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<v Speaker 3>use disorder, unstable relationships, and many periods of instability in

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<v Speaker 3>her life. After attending several treatment programs followed by relapse,

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<v Speaker 3>her children eventually went to live with relatives and Elsie

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<v Speaker 3>moved to Vancouver. Her daughters would say she always kept

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<v Speaker 3>in touch with them, later describing their mother as a smart,

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful woman who endured racism throughout her life and fell

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<v Speaker 3>through the cracks of a system that failed to support her.

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<v Speaker 3>One night in nineteen ninety two, Elsie cooked dinner for

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<v Speaker 3>her daughters, then left to get drugs. She was never

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<v Speaker 3>seen again. She was forty years old. The following year,

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<v Speaker 3>Teresa Louise Triff vanished. Very little is known about Teresa,

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<v Speaker 3>other than the fact that she was a thirty one

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<v Speaker 3>year old white woman with blonde, curly hair and blue eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>All in all, fifteen women had vanished from the downtown

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<v Speaker 3>east Side in the fourteen years between nineteen seventy nine

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<v Speaker 3>and nineteen ninety three. By this point, the Picton brothers

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<v Speaker 3>were not getting along at all. Their living arrangements had

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<v Speaker 3>always been tumultuous, with both Robert and Da David living

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<v Speaker 3>in the rambling farmhouse sharing the one bathroom. In many respects,

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<v Speaker 3>they were different. David was the short and stocky brother,

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<v Speaker 3>thought of as a foul mouthed jerk who liked having

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<v Speaker 3>lots of people over to party, whereas Robert was lanky

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<v Speaker 3>and slim, not very social, and he often creeped people out.

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<v Speaker 3>They both had bad tempers and bad hygiene, although Roberts

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<v Speaker 3>was said to be much worse. Overall, it was not

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<v Speaker 3>working in the farmhouse. There was no privacy in no

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<v Speaker 3>escape from each other. After a massive blow up, Robert

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<v Speaker 3>decided to move into the old motor home on the

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<v Speaker 3>other side of the property, and David stayed in the farmhouse.

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<v Speaker 3>Despite the filthy conditions, they always seemed to have women

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<v Speaker 3>around that needed housing and were willing to do domestic

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<v Speaker 3>work like laundry and cleaning if they could stay on

1:08:56.600 --> 1:09:01.240
<v Speaker 3>the farm. A woman named Tanya would testify that she

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<v Speaker 3>needed a place to stay and knew the Pictons because

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<v Speaker 3>her stepfather worked on the farm slaughtering pigs. Robert ushered

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<v Speaker 3>her into his motor home and allowed her to stay

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<v Speaker 3>there with him. Tanya described their relationship as like uncle

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<v Speaker 3>and niece. They slept in separate areas in the motor

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<v Speaker 3>home and there was no sex. She liked and trusted

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<v Speaker 3>Robert so much that she ended up staying there for

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<v Speaker 3>a year and a half. Tanya said there was a

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<v Speaker 3>constant stream of people coming and going from the farm,

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<v Speaker 3>and she often returned to the motor home very late

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<v Speaker 3>at night to find that Robert wasn't there. She would

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<v Speaker 3>testify she just assumed he was working late. She had

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<v Speaker 3>no idea that he was meeting sex workers on the

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<v Speaker 3>downtown east Side. The list of missing women continued to grow.

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<v Speaker 3>Lee Minor grew up near San Francisco, one of four children.

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<v Speaker 3>Her family would describe her as charismatic and fiercely loyal,

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<v Speaker 3>with striking auburn hair and a magnetic personality. As a teenager,

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<v Speaker 3>Lee's life was uphended when her father died suddenly of

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<v Speaker 3>a heart attack, and years later her own husband would

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<v Speaker 3>die by suicide in her arms. The compounded grief left

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<v Speaker 3>her devastated, and she began using heroin to cope. Lee

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<v Speaker 3>became a mother in nineteen eighty six and moved to

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<v Speaker 3>Edmonton for a fresh start. She tried to stop using drugs,

1:10:37.120 --> 1:10:40.920
<v Speaker 3>but it proved difficult, and her child eventually went to

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<v Speaker 3>live with family. In nineteen ninety three, she moved to

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<v Speaker 3>the Downtown east Side and engaged in sex work to

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<v Speaker 3>survive and fund her substance use disorder. That December of

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety three, thirty four year old Lee phoned her

1:10:57.479 --> 1:11:01.439
<v Speaker 3>sister to ask for money to visit their mother for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>Her family waited for her all day, gifts unopened, but

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<v Speaker 3>she never arrived. At first, they assumed she just hadn't

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<v Speaker 3>kept her promise, but when weeks went by with no word,

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<v Speaker 3>Lee's mother went looking for her on the downtown east

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<v Speaker 3>Side and reported her missing. She would later say the

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<v Speaker 3>police showed little interest. Then there's Angela Arsenal, who was

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<v Speaker 3>just seventeen years old when she disappeared. Angela grew up

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<v Speaker 3>with her mother and stepfather, moving several times before eventually

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<v Speaker 3>settling in the Vancouver area. Angela reportedly started using drugs

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<v Speaker 3>in high school and dropped out in grade nine. Her

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<v Speaker 3>mother would later tell The Surrey Leader that she left

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<v Speaker 3>home and briefly became involved in sex work on the

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<v Speaker 3>downtown Knees Side, but her boyfriend helped her get off

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<v Speaker 3>the streets. Angela was street smart and capable of looking

1:12:05.720 --> 1:12:09.400
<v Speaker 3>after herself, but she was also being harassed by a

1:12:09.479 --> 1:12:13.280
<v Speaker 3>pimp who wanted her to return to sex work. In

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<v Speaker 3>August of nineteen ninety four, Angela spoke with her mother

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<v Speaker 3>on the phone, making plans to go shopping for shower curtains.

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<v Speaker 3>She was living with her boyfriend by this time, and

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<v Speaker 3>that night they met downtown for dinner and shopping with

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<v Speaker 3>another friend. She caught the bus home by herself for

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<v Speaker 3>some reason. When her boyfriend arrived home later, Angela's purse, ID,

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<v Speaker 3>cash and shopping bags were there, but the seventeen year

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<v Speaker 3>old was missing. She was never seen again. During this time,

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<v Speaker 3>Robert Picton had continued his trips into West Coast Reduction

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<v Speaker 3>to dump his barrels of waste and remains. Sometimes he

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't able to make the trip himself, and West Coast

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<v Speaker 3>would send a truck out to.

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<v Speaker 4>Pick them up.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't really need an excuse to go to the

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<v Speaker 3>downtown east Side anymore, so this arrangement became more and

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<v Speaker 3>more frequent. One driver would later testify that he made

1:13:20.080 --> 1:13:23.639
<v Speaker 3>regular trips out to the Picton farm for four years

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<v Speaker 3>in the early to mid nineties. He remembered glancing into

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<v Speaker 3>the barrels periodically and was often surprised to see chunks

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<v Speaker 3>of meat in it, some of them quite big chunks.

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<v Speaker 3>This struck him as unusual. Most farmers and butchers carved

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<v Speaker 3>off every piece of meat they could find. That's where

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<v Speaker 3>the money was, but Robert Picton was just throwing it away.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for listening. In Part two, there's an alarming spike

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<v Speaker 3>and vulnerable women going missing from the downtown Knee Side.

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<v Speaker 3>Two would live to tell their stories. We'll circle back

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<v Speaker 3>to Wendy, who escaped from the farm after a vicious

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<v Speaker 3>knife fight with Robert Pickton and was rushed to emergency surgery,

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<v Speaker 3>still with the handcuffs he put around her wrist. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 3>the Picton brothers become officially wealthy and opened the infamous

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<v Speaker 3>party venue known as Piggy's palace, serving alcohol and barbecue

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<v Speaker 3>pork to bikers, sex workers, and even local city officials.

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