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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Official New York Jets Podcast, a
Speaker 1: Jets three sixty production e A. We're back in studio
Speaker 1: here new official Jeff podcast and we got a good
Speaker 1: show for Jets Nation. Today. We got Jordan's Palmer in
Speaker 1: the hopper. He's gonna be joining us on the pod
Speaker 1: to discuss all things Sam Donald. Because if you don't know,
Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer and Sam Donald and Josh Allen, who is
Speaker 1: now quarterback for the Buffalo Bills, all worked together in
Speaker 1: the offseason. Jordan does tremendous things with the top quarterback
Speaker 1: coming into each year's draft. Last year he worked with
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson and this year worked with Donald. Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna bring that up Green. Where did Kyle go?
Speaker 1: Do you remember? Up right now? That's one thing. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure he signed with the Panthers. He was undrafted,
Speaker 1: But Kyle Allen went to Houston has no relation to
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. And here's a little fun fact, Sam Donald
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen, we're both in attendance for the draft
Speaker 1: and Sam actually brought Kyle Allen as a part of
Speaker 1: Day one festivities because all three of them trained together
Speaker 1: and he wanted them all to be together on that night,
Speaker 1: even though Kyle did not und then. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: still a very nice gesture from Sam Donald. But regardless
Speaker 1: of Jordan Palmer worked with all three of these guys.
Speaker 1: Sam Donald and Josh Allen are best friends. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get into that a little later. They will not be
Speaker 1: friends when they play each other on Sundays. Don't worry,
Speaker 1: They're not gonna take it easy. Well, I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're best friends, but they know they're very good.
Speaker 1: They definitely forced a great relationship. And Jordan's Palmer is
Speaker 1: somebody that I've been really trying to tray down for months.
Speaker 1: We were we were at the NFL owners meetings, and
Speaker 1: we were at the reception greens and the NFL does
Speaker 1: it right, has this monstrous reception and food everywhere and entertainment,
Speaker 1: and you know, owners and gms and head coaches and
Speaker 1: their families and media members, everybody's together. At that moment.
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit uncomfortable about going up and
Speaker 1: setting up an interview, so I just introduced myself to
Speaker 1: join briefly because I wanted to talk to him about
Speaker 1: at a later date about some of the top quarterbacks
Speaker 1: coming out. And when you know it, the Jets ultimately
Speaker 1: picked Saint Donald one of his proteges. So now we
Speaker 1: have Jordan's Palmer lined up for today. So I'm very
Speaker 1: excited to get a chance to talk to him. But
Speaker 1: I was not going to talk shop too much when
Speaker 1: we're all partaking in, you know, whether it's the food
Speaker 1: or their festivities and things like that. I just introduced
Speaker 1: myself quick, and he's a busy guy. You know, he's
Speaker 1: got family out there in southern California and he does
Speaker 1: this QB summit. But this should be cool. If there's
Speaker 1: anyone that knows Sam Donald, it's definitely Jordan Palmer, considering
Speaker 1: that they spent three months seven together, eating dinner at
Speaker 1: Palmer's house and everything that's encompassed in that. So I
Speaker 1: think we should just dive in right with j P.
Speaker 1: Let's bring in Jordan Palmer, who knows Sam Donald better
Speaker 1: than anybody at this point after spending a lot of
Speaker 1: time with him in the pre draft process. Jordan, how
Speaker 1: much did you know of Sam prior to really working
Speaker 1: with him at QB Summit. Well, you know, I met
Speaker 1: Sammony was fifteen years old. You know, he's just been
Speaker 1: a guy that he's a local guy who lives on
Speaker 1: the street from me and grew up there. And I've
Speaker 1: been been lucky enough to be a part of a
Speaker 1: thing called a Leada Levin for a long time, and
Speaker 1: we have a top high school quarterbacks in the country
Speaker 1: and a lot of top college players in the country
Speaker 1: come through. And then I started running my own camps
Speaker 1: called QP Summit, which a lot of young guys and
Speaker 1: and and a lot of the top college players. So
Speaker 1: I've just been able to just gonna stay involved and
Speaker 1: be helpful at certain times and kind of stay out
Speaker 1: of his way at other times, and just trying to
Speaker 1: be helpful as I kind of go along their quarterback journey.
Speaker 1: And and so Sam has had a really fun one
Speaker 1: and because it's been so luckle, I've been able to
Speaker 1: be really involved. So speaking of Sam, Jordan, there's your
Speaker 1: two year old son. We can hear him in the background,
Speaker 1: and you said that he really grew fond of Sam
Speaker 1: over the last couple of months. In fact, he said
Speaker 1: he referred to him as his favorite uncle. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: uncle Sam. Anytime he sees a guy with red hair
Speaker 1: or he sees a guy with a red shirt, Jordan,
Speaker 1: can you talk about making sam left hand dominant prior
Speaker 1: to the draft? And you know, Green's and I are
Speaker 1: always talking about basketball who can go to the left hand?
Speaker 1: But what you did and we got a chance to
Speaker 1: read about that, can you talk about that process because
Speaker 1: people point to Sam's turnovers last year and maybe what
Speaker 1: he was or wasn't doing in the pocket, and that
Speaker 1: was something that you stressed throughout the spring. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it was regardless of what the quarterbacks issues
Speaker 1: are as they go through that draft training program, We're
Speaker 1: really just trying to figure out what are the biggest
Speaker 1: areas of need for them to work on, and then
Speaker 1: how do I put them in a position to do
Speaker 1: that as much as possible. So, you know, if it
Speaker 1: was Josh Allen who was kind of over striding and
Speaker 1: stepping too far, I just built a bunch of drills
Speaker 1: that made him step too far so he could really
Speaker 1: isolate it and work on it. And with Sam, what
Speaker 1: we did very simply is just make sure that he's
Speaker 1: just kind of held onto the ball with his left
Speaker 1: hand all the time sounds pretty oversimplified, and it is,
Speaker 1: but it's really just anytime somebody gets comfortable with having
Speaker 1: one hand on the ball at the time, we try
Speaker 1: and and isolate that. And so with him, uh, I
Speaker 1: think I get helped. But but honestly, you know, it's
Speaker 1: gonna come down to, you know, the coaching staff and
Speaker 1: him making a point of emphasis as he starts his
Speaker 1: rookie year, and I just don't really see it being
Speaker 1: an issue. You know, he also took one hand off
Speaker 1: the ball and run around and made some amazing plays.
Speaker 1: You don't want him to lose that edge. And so
Speaker 1: I think it's just gonna be him managing and mitigating
Speaker 1: that risk reward of how he carries the ball in
Speaker 1: the pocket, because I think the future of the quarterback
Speaker 1: position is the quarterback's ability to create time and space
Speaker 1: to buy more time in the pocket. And you don't
Speaker 1: have to run a four three, and you don't have
Speaker 1: to be really tall, and you don't you have to
Speaker 1: be anything, because I've seen guys like Tony Romo who
Speaker 1: aren't incredible athletes in terms of their quickness and their
Speaker 1: forty times, but we're very athletic in the pocket and
Speaker 1: could buy time. Kurt Warner is another example. So with
Speaker 1: Sam being that, that's one of the biggest parts of
Speaker 1: his game, and I think it's it's the future of
Speaker 1: the position. You know. I don't want him to lose
Speaker 1: a lot of those things that he has, which is
Speaker 1: that creativity in the pocket, and I don't think Coach
Speaker 1: Bates and the staff does either. He's in really good
Speaker 1: hands to be able to learn that and honestly learned
Speaker 1: behind Josh mcown because I think Josh is a great
Speaker 1: time of buying time and buying space and he does
Speaker 1: that through experience in athleticism, and you know, Sam's just
Speaker 1: in such a good spot to learn all those things
Speaker 1: and to kind of foster that part of his game.
Speaker 1: You brought up Josh McCown. I was actually gonna bring
Speaker 1: that up after that, So thank you for doing that
Speaker 1: for me. But Sam, when he was drafted, mentioned that
Speaker 1: you had actually talked to him about Josh McCown because
Speaker 1: you played together in Chicago. So how nice of a
Speaker 1: room of a situation is it for Sam to be
Speaker 1: joining a room that has someone like Josh McCown for
Speaker 1: him to pick his brain, And how important is it
Speaker 1: not only in this case, but in general, for a
Speaker 1: rookie to be able to lean on a veteran like
Speaker 1: Josh McCown in his rookie season, it's huge. If there
Speaker 1: was a draft and you could draft you're veteran quarterback
Speaker 1: to help your high pick rookie like Josh would be
Speaker 1: my first pick in any draft. That'd be like the
Speaker 1: number one overall taken player for me in terms of
Speaker 1: picking veterans. And I played with some good ones. My
Speaker 1: brother is a phenomenal VET. Chad Henney is a great VET.
Speaker 1: He's helped borders of time. Very smart for Kansas City
Speaker 1: to bring him in there, and helped felt Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: He learned from Chad Pennington. So I got a lot
Speaker 1: of Chad Pennington stuff. Um, you know, I played with
Speaker 1: Josh McCown. My first veteran guy that I learned from
Speaker 1: was Mark Burnell. What a great VET there. You guys
Speaker 1: have probably spent some time with Mark, and so I
Speaker 1: just think it's imperative. My brother at John Kitna, Carson
Speaker 1: didn't play a snap his rookie year. John Kitna Comeback
Speaker 1: Player of the Year eight Nate. And so when you
Speaker 1: think about how important that position is. I think this
Speaker 1: would be an interesting study. And I think and if
Speaker 1: you were to interview really good quarterbacks, current or former players,
Speaker 1: right retired guys, and you asked them name the one
Speaker 1: person who taught you the most ball, I bet you
Speaker 1: most of them would say the name of a veteran
Speaker 1: quarterback before they'd say the name of a coach. When
Speaker 1: you get a good veteran around you, you get an
Speaker 1: opportunity to learn from watching whether they want to help
Speaker 1: you or not. But when you get a good one
Speaker 1: who does want to help you, essentially a coach. Me
Speaker 1: think about it, I had zero starts in the league
Speaker 1: and I'm training some of the future of the NFL
Speaker 1: quarterback Jorgan. What do you think of Sam's temperament. This
Speaker 1: kid is twenty years old, and he doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be flustered or taken away by the moment per se.
Speaker 1: He looks at he's in the locker room or sixty
Speaker 1: cameras around him. He says, this is great. But with
Speaker 1: all that being said, he's not a guy who's looking
Speaker 1: for the attention. In fact, he's embracing being around his teammates.
Speaker 1: I see natural leadership qualities in him and he's a
Speaker 1: guy who you know better than most or he wants
Speaker 1: to talk ball and he wants to be on the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's all ball, you guys. You know I, guys, I
Speaker 1: don't want to describe too much of how he is
Speaker 1: and how he's going to be because I want you
Speaker 1: guys to be able to see it. But I know this,
Speaker 1: it's not going to be the big one. He's not
Speaker 1: going to get burnt out on it the way that
Speaker 1: other guys get burned out on it. And he's not
Speaker 1: going to look for it either. He's not going to
Speaker 1: look for that attention. He's not going to make a
Speaker 1: great play and look around and see to make sure
Speaker 1: that everybody got that on the camera. He just wants
Speaker 1: to play and he has something really cool during the
Speaker 1: interview process. So I work with the guys on their
Speaker 1: interviews and with the teams um like their GM interviews
Speaker 1: and stuff, not not on the media so much. But
Speaker 1: I had said, you know, you're gonna have to be
Speaker 1: able to tell these teams why you think you're the
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback ever. And he had a little bit of
Speaker 1: a hard time with it my first year action. I
Speaker 1: was like concern and then when I heard his answer,
Speaker 1: I was like, and it was so genuine. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is like the best answer I've ever heard. Now,
Speaker 1: he had said, you know, I don't honestly care about
Speaker 1: being the greatest ever. I just want to be on
Speaker 1: a team that went and just went on a run
Speaker 1: and built a dynasty. I want to be the quarterback
Speaker 1: on that team. And these are his words, like, I
Speaker 1: know how important over roll that quarterback is gonna play,
Speaker 1: but I'm not as concerned with being the greatest player ever.
Speaker 1: I want to be the quarterback on the best team ever.
Speaker 1: That was not like how does this answer sound? It
Speaker 1: was more like apologetic, like is this a bad answer? Well,
Speaker 1: wait a second, Like because I know Sam will enough
Speaker 1: to know, like, no, that is genuine. This kid is
Speaker 1: incapable of BS And it's just absolutely what I think
Speaker 1: is gonna play out for you guys. I think that's
Speaker 1: what I think you guys are gonna at some point
Speaker 1: look and go. Man. Jordan was right. That really is
Speaker 1: his that really is his intention, which is just so cool.
Speaker 1: How exciting is it for you to have trained Sam
Speaker 1: and have watched him over the last five or six years,
Speaker 1: the way he's developed and now he's the number three
Speaker 1: overall pick with the Jets. And then you watch another
Speaker 1: one of your protegees there and Josh Allen go number
Speaker 1: seven overall the Buffalo Bills, and maybe, hey, maybe this
Speaker 1: is going to become a big time a FCS rivalry
Speaker 1: that will be able to watch for five times fifteen years.
Speaker 1: This is absolutely going to become a big time a
Speaker 1: FC East rivalry. We're gonna be able to watch for
Speaker 1: ten of fifteen years. Absolutely, Josh is a total stud,
Speaker 1: very different players, pretty different personalities. These guys actually became
Speaker 1: best friends. Um, you know, you always hear about these
Speaker 1: things where like the draft party afterwards, it was just
Speaker 1: Sam and Josh and I and a couple of their
Speaker 1: friends hanging out late. It was just cool, like there,
Speaker 1: that's how they chose to do it, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: these guys are just really really tight And the fact
Speaker 1: that their first reaction after Josh got picked was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, when the FC East together, we get
Speaker 1: to play each other twice a year? How cool is this? So? Um,
Speaker 1: this would be really cool. I actually I haven't really
Speaker 1: seen that before. You know, you go through these divisions
Speaker 1: and you go, all right, which of these rival quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are like really good friends, you know, curarently do that.
Speaker 1: Everybody gets along, you know. I'm sure before the game,
Speaker 1: Eli and Carson went to say what's up and how
Speaker 1: you doing and how your kids and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's great. These guys are actually tight. So their
Speaker 1: roommates for three months, but it's not just three months,
Speaker 1: it's seven three months, you know, and so it's so cool.
Speaker 1: And and they just have such a respect for each other.
Speaker 1: Josh's path was not a normal one, no offers to
Speaker 1: go all that, so Sam has so much respect for him.
Speaker 1: And then Josh has so much respect for a guy
Speaker 1: because Sam's kind of from a small town too. They've
Speaker 1: shared and they've had lots of deep conversations that I
Speaker 1: don't even know about. It's really cool. So Josh has
Speaker 1: so much respect for Sam for different reasons that this
Speaker 1: is a really special thing. So for me to encapsulate
Speaker 1: how I feel about that, you know sentence, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's possible. And what were the followers like at
Speaker 1: the house you guys set up for for a few months. Uh?
Speaker 1: I read a couple of stories about them playing Fortnite
Speaker 1: and also uh also quoting from movies and their personalities.
Speaker 1: Real they took off is that they got a chance
Speaker 1: to know each other more. And like you said, it's
Speaker 1: got to be awesome for you to see how much
Speaker 1: respect in the genuine likeness they have for each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's real. It's um and they competed every day
Speaker 1: to write. I mean, they both think they're the best
Speaker 1: player in the draft, which is great. Do you want that?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want that any other way. It was just
Speaker 1: never an issue, was never awkward. One guy had a
Speaker 1: better day than the other guy. It was just support
Speaker 1: and then the guy who didn't have the better day
Speaker 1: would probably figure out how he was gonna beat him
Speaker 1: the next day. You know. It was just really cool.
Speaker 1: You know, I played a long time and in this
Speaker 1: last three months ters about as much fun as I've
Speaker 1: had doing football stuff as I've ever had. About that,
Speaker 1: without giving away secrets, what makes your interaction with the
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks coming up unique? Jordan? You have that the
Speaker 1: determinous experience. You just mentioned. You didn't take a snap
Speaker 1: in the National Football League, but you played for seven
Speaker 1: eight years. Know everybody, what makes your camp unique as
Speaker 1: far as maybe the philosophy and also from a drill perspective. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it starts with I'm living in my purpose.
Speaker 1: So my purpose is used my experiences on and off
Speaker 1: the field to help entrepreneurs maximize their opportunities on off
Speaker 1: the field. So I really only worked with the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that I think treating their career like a business. And
Speaker 1: I have some high school kids to do that, and
Speaker 1: so I don't really do a lot of private training.
Speaker 1: Is not my full time job. I have a business unrelated.
Speaker 1: So I really like to the kids who see this
Speaker 1: as the opportunity to take that next step in their life.
Speaker 1: And and and you don't play football forever. My brother just
Speaker 1: retired the thirty nine. It's got two year old son.
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of LFE left. And so really
Speaker 1: positioning yourself to squeeze everything you can out of your
Speaker 1: football career, whether that means starting one game your senior year,
Speaker 1: or being the third pick in the draft, or you
Speaker 1: know Carson who's statistically like the twelfth greatest quarterback of
Speaker 1: all time, whatever your journey is, you know, I really
Speaker 1: want to use my experiences to help them maximize our opportunities.
Speaker 1: And so it comes from that place. And then the
Speaker 1: second you know, I know as much as what it
Speaker 1: takes to be a franchise quarterback of I think anyone
Speaker 1: in the world ever who wasn't a franchise quarterback because
Speaker 1: it wasn't just my brother who was one, but I,
Speaker 1: you know, I did play, you know, a better part
Speaker 1: of eight years around some really good ones. And and
Speaker 1: I also backed my brother up for three years, and
Speaker 1: I intimately know the things that he went through more
Speaker 1: so than most backups now. And this is my best friend.
Speaker 1: So there's just so much stuff that happens that I've
Speaker 1: been exposed to that I can share before it happens,
Speaker 1: but also can be there, you know, during the high
Speaker 1: times and the low times and uh. And so that's
Speaker 1: been something that's been really really valuable for me to
Speaker 1: help these guys on their journey and and I just
Speaker 1: enjoyed doing it a lot. Well, that's fabulous insight. We
Speaker 1: really enjoyed catching up with you, and thanks for coming
Speaker 1: out in the pot. Thanks guys. Great talking to Jordan Palmer.
Speaker 1: I mean, tremendous insight really from someone spent three months
Speaker 1: with Sam Donald and we didn't talk about this with him,
Speaker 1: but I heard on a separate interview that when Jordan's
Speaker 1: first met Sam Donald, he called him a dead ringer
Speaker 1: for his brother Carson Palmer. As far as what he
Speaker 1: looked like or the player, I think he just met
Speaker 1: kind of like an all encompassing kind of thing, because
Speaker 1: remember we just talked to him about it, and I
Speaker 1: think I was aware of that before, even before I
Speaker 1: asked that question. Southern California's football is big, obviously, and
Speaker 1: Jordan was familiar with Donald at fifteen, so he must
Speaker 1: have been a pretty darn good athlete at fifteen probably.
Speaker 1: I mean we've talked about this before. He played linebacker
Speaker 1: in high school. He was a point guard. Actually, Trent Dilford,
Speaker 1: who was the first point guards average he's like you,
Speaker 1: probably because you know you like to put the ball up.
Speaker 1: The guy average more than a game. If you're a
Speaker 1: point guard, average is more than twenty a game. Are
Speaker 1: you a point guard? Is that what you're saying, Well,
Speaker 1: he's James Harden a point guard. You're like a one
Speaker 1: slash two. You're everything it No, Cheese Hard is not
Speaker 1: a point guard. Chris Paul is a point guard. Is
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons a point guard? It's a great question. But regardless,
Speaker 1: Sam Donald played point guard I don't know what his
Speaker 1: teammates were like, so maybe he needed to score. But
Speaker 1: he's a big guy to my mom said that after
Speaker 1: I interviewed him and said, wow, he's such a big guy,
Speaker 1: and I said, well, mom, I'm not that big of
Speaker 1: a guy. Okay, well neither mi. But so so so
Speaker 1: what Jordan's said there, and I tend to agree with this,
Speaker 1: is that he thinks the NFL is changing. He thinks
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are going to have to make plays out
Speaker 1: of the pocket. So are we seeing as like, uh,
Speaker 1: the old hockey analogy. I used to play goalie grown up,
Speaker 1: and folks used to talk about the stand up goalie.
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as a stand up goalie anymore.
Speaker 1: Everybody pretty much in the National Hockey League is now
Speaker 1: a butterfly goaltender. So now are we gonna be talking
Speaker 1: in ten years as far as our or any true
Speaker 1: prototypical pass remain. Do they remain or are they going
Speaker 1: to be dinosaurs? Because our guys like Donald who listen,
Speaker 1: he doesn't live out of the pocket. But the big
Speaker 1: key there is that he can win and succeed on
Speaker 1: Sundays because he doesn't need to necessarily stay in there
Speaker 1: he can make plays off script. I guess we'll find
Speaker 1: out in both Donald's case and the evolution of the NFL.
Speaker 1: But I think that what Palmer is saying is true
Speaker 1: is that if you look at the quarterbacks coming out,
Speaker 1: I mean, Josh Rosen was the purest passer, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't the most mobile. However, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that are like that anymore coming out of college.
Speaker 1: And I mean we'll see, I mean not only the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: but you know, Charles Davis at the Common said the
Speaker 1: running back renaissance is real, and a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago we were talking about that the running backs are
Speaker 1: no longer as important as a once were. So what
Speaker 1: we'll see, it's a constant evolution. And that's just the
Speaker 1: way the NFL go. Four quarterbacks. One of the top ten.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Rosen, and he's the guy who's most likely
Speaker 1: to try and to beat you from that pocket position.
Speaker 1: But Baker Mayfield has tremendous feet. He's gonna make the
Speaker 1: transition from Oklahoma's offense. But he's an accurate pastor. But
Speaker 1: he can buy time. We know Donald can buy time.
Speaker 1: We know Donald can also pick up yards down the
Speaker 1: field with his feet, he's tough, he's got more of
Speaker 1: a bigger body. And he also had some interesting comments
Speaker 1: on Josh Allen. There because Josh Allen, people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's just an arm He's a really good athlete. You
Speaker 1: might get you might see the Bill sometimes dialing up
Speaker 1: some of r p os for Josh Allen. He's told
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