WEBVTT - Jordan Palmer on Sam Darnold (5/14) 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.920 The games over and there are the world. You plenty 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.840 to win the game. He's got it. Jet cuts down. 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.480 You're listening to the Official New York Jets Podcast, a 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:26.079 Jets three sixty production e A. We're back in studio 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.720 here new official Jeff podcast and we got a good 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:34.920 show for Jets Nation. Today. We got Jordan's Palmer in 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.120 the hopper. He's gonna be joining us on the pod 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:39.640 to discuss all things Sam Donald. Because if you don't know, 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.320 Jordan Palmer and Sam Donald and Josh Allen, who is 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.800 now quarterback for the Buffalo Bills, all worked together in 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:51.160 the offseason. Jordan does tremendous things with the top quarterback 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.519 coming into each year's draft. Last year he worked with 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:57.520 Deshaun Watson and this year worked with Donald. Josh Allen. 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.400 It's just gonna bring that up Green. Where did Kyle go? 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:06.640 Do you remember? Up right now? That's one thing. I'm 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.160 pretty sure he signed with the Panthers. He was undrafted, 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:14.440 But Kyle Allen went to Houston has no relation to 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.840 Josh Allen. And here's a little fun fact, Sam Donald 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.760 and Josh Allen, we're both in attendance for the draft 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:25.240 and Sam actually brought Kyle Allen as a part of 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:29.039 Day one festivities because all three of them trained together 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.399 and he wanted them all to be together on that night, 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.560 even though Kyle did not und then. Yeah, but it's 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.839 still a very nice gesture from Sam Donald. But regardless 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.480 of Jordan Palmer worked with all three of these guys. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.880 Sam Donald and Josh Allen are best friends. We're gonna 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:45.880 get into that a little later. They will not be 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.560 friends when they play each other on Sundays. Don't worry, 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:50.760 They're not gonna take it easy. Well, I don't know 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:52.680 if they're best friends, but they know they're very good. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:57.880 They definitely forced a great relationship. And Jordan's Palmer is 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.000 somebody that I've been really trying to tray down for months. 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:05.360 We were we were at the NFL owners meetings, and 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.400 we were at the reception greens and the NFL does 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:12.840 it right, has this monstrous reception and food everywhere and entertainment, 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:17.160 and you know, owners and gms and head coaches and 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:22.360 their families and media members, everybody's together. At that moment. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.760 I feel a little bit uncomfortable about going up and 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.200 setting up an interview, so I just introduced myself to 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.320 join briefly because I wanted to talk to him about 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:36.239 at a later date about some of the top quarterbacks 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:40.040 coming out. And when you know it, the Jets ultimately 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:44.120 picked Saint Donald one of his proteges. So now we 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.840 have Jordan's Palmer lined up for today. So I'm very 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.200 excited to get a chance to talk to him. But 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.760 I was not going to talk shop too much when 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.560 we're all partaking in, you know, whether it's the food 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.160 or their festivities and things like that. I just introduced 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.119 myself quick, and he's a busy guy. You know, he's 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.840 got family out there in southern California and he does 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.720 this QB summit. But this should be cool. If there's 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:13.480 anyone that knows Sam Donald, it's definitely Jordan Palmer, considering 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:18.079 that they spent three months seven together, eating dinner at 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.400 Palmer's house and everything that's encompassed in that. So I 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.040 think we should just dive in right with j P. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.840 Let's bring in Jordan Palmer, who knows Sam Donald better 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.000 than anybody at this point after spending a lot of 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.600 time with him in the pre draft process. Jordan, how 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:45.240 much did you know of Sam prior to really working 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.560 with him at QB Summit. Well, you know, I met 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.160 Sammony was fifteen years old. You know, he's just been 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:52.560 a guy that he's a local guy who lives on 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.800 the street from me and grew up there. And I've 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.640 been been lucky enough to be a part of a 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.160 thing called a Leada Levin for a long time, and 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.960 we have a top high school quarterbacks in the country 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:03.560 and a lot of top college players in the country 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.560 come through. And then I started running my own camps 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.600 called QP Summit, which a lot of young guys and 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.800 and and a lot of the top college players. So 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.520 I've just been able to just gonna stay involved and 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:17.840 be helpful at certain times and kind of stay out 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.000 of his way at other times, and just trying to 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:24.280 be helpful as I kind of go along their quarterback journey. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.160 And and so Sam has had a really fun one 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.240 and because it's been so luckle, I've been able to 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.560 be really involved. So speaking of Sam, Jordan, there's your 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.600 two year old son. We can hear him in the background, 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:39.400 and you said that he really grew fond of Sam 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.239 over the last couple of months. In fact, he said 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:46.120 he referred to him as his favorite uncle. Yeah, he's 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.479 uncle Sam. Anytime he sees a guy with red hair 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.279 or he sees a guy with a red shirt, Jordan, 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:57.000 can you talk about making sam left hand dominant prior 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.920 to the draft? And you know, Green's and I are 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.920 always talking about basketball who can go to the left hand? 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:07.240 But what you did and we got a chance to 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.839 read about that, can you talk about that process because 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:16.000 people point to Sam's turnovers last year and maybe what 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.560 he was or wasn't doing in the pocket, and that 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.719 was something that you stressed throughout the spring. Yeah, you know, 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.320 I think it was regardless of what the quarterbacks issues 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.640 are as they go through that draft training program, We're 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.600 really just trying to figure out what are the biggest 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.400 areas of need for them to work on, and then 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.760 how do I put them in a position to do 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.880 that as much as possible. So, you know, if it 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.400 was Josh Allen who was kind of over striding and 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.840 stepping too far, I just built a bunch of drills 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:42.880 that made him step too far so he could really 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.120 isolate it and work on it. And with Sam, what 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.640 we did very simply is just make sure that he's 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.719 just kind of held onto the ball with his left 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.560 hand all the time sounds pretty oversimplified, and it is, 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.760 but it's really just anytime somebody gets comfortable with having 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.560 one hand on the ball at the time, we try 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.839 and and isolate that. And so with him, uh, I 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.200 think I get helped. But but honestly, you know, it's 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.240 gonna come down to, you know, the coaching staff and 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.599 him making a point of emphasis as he starts his 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:09.480 rookie year, and I just don't really see it being 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.040 an issue. You know, he also took one hand off 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:13.880 the ball and run around and made some amazing plays. 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.560 You don't want him to lose that edge. And so 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:18.920 I think it's just gonna be him managing and mitigating 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.839 that risk reward of how he carries the ball in 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.799 the pocket, because I think the future of the quarterback 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.880 position is the quarterback's ability to create time and space 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:30.880 to buy more time in the pocket. And you don't 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:32.680 have to run a four three, and you don't have 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.120 to be really tall, and you don't you have to 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.680 be anything, because I've seen guys like Tony Romo who 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.960 aren't incredible athletes in terms of their quickness and their 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.160 forty times, but we're very athletic in the pocket and 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.080 could buy time. Kurt Warner is another example. So with 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:49.960 Sam being that, that's one of the biggest parts of 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.000 his game, and I think it's it's the future of 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.200 the position. You know. I don't want him to lose 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.159 a lot of those things that he has, which is 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.360 that creativity in the pocket, and I don't think Coach 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.400 Bates and the staff does either. He's in really good 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.240 hands to be able to learn that and honestly learned 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.159 behind Josh mcown because I think Josh is a great 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.279 time of buying time and buying space and he does 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.080 that through experience in athleticism, and you know, Sam's just 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:12.800 in such a good spot to learn all those things 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.720 and to kind of foster that part of his game. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.960 You brought up Josh McCown. I was actually gonna bring 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:19.680 that up after that, So thank you for doing that 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.320 for me. But Sam, when he was drafted, mentioned that 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.160 you had actually talked to him about Josh McCown because 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.880 you played together in Chicago. So how nice of a 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.480 room of a situation is it for Sam to be 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.440 joining a room that has someone like Josh McCown for 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.560 him to pick his brain, And how important is it 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.560 not only in this case, but in general, for a 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.320 rookie to be able to lean on a veteran like 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:47.760 Josh McCown in his rookie season, it's huge. If there 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:52.080 was a draft and you could draft you're veteran quarterback 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.480 to help your high pick rookie like Josh would be 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.120 my first pick in any draft. That'd be like the 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.640 number one overall taken player for me in terms of 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.240 picking veterans. And I played with some good ones. My 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.960 brother is a phenomenal VET. Chad Henney is a great VET. 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.040 He's helped borders of time. Very smart for Kansas City 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.760 to bring him in there, and helped felt Patrick Mahomes. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.000 He learned from Chad Pennington. So I got a lot 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.040 of Chad Pennington stuff. Um, you know, I played with 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.200 Josh McCown. My first veteran guy that I learned from 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.200 was Mark Burnell. What a great VET there. You guys 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.320 have probably spent some time with Mark, and so I 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.800 just think it's imperative. My brother at John Kitna, Carson 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.920 didn't play a snap his rookie year. John Kitna Comeback 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.840 Player of the Year eight Nate. And so when you 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.200 think about how important that position is. I think this 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.840 would be an interesting study. And I think and if 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:46.960 you were to interview really good quarterbacks, current or former players, 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.960 right retired guys, and you asked them name the one 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.120 person who taught you the most ball, I bet you 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.440 most of them would say the name of a veteran 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:58.440 quarterback before they'd say the name of a coach. When 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.400 you get a good veteran around you, you get an 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.160 opportunity to learn from watching whether they want to help 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:05.679 you or not. But when you get a good one 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:09.120 who does want to help you, essentially a coach. Me 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.160 think about it, I had zero starts in the league 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.000 and I'm training some of the future of the NFL 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:19.439 quarterback Jorgan. What do you think of Sam's temperament. This 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.120 kid is twenty years old, and he doesn't seem to 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:28.520 be flustered or taken away by the moment per se. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.120 He looks at he's in the locker room or sixty 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.600 cameras around him. He says, this is great. But with 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.480 all that being said, he's not a guy who's looking 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:41.800 for the attention. In fact, he's embracing being around his teammates. 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.840 I see natural leadership qualities in him and he's a 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.960 guy who you know better than most or he wants 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:54.199 to talk ball and he wants to be on the field. Yeah, 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.360 he's all ball, you guys. You know I, guys, I 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.280 don't want to describe too much of how he is 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:00.920 and how he's going to be because I want you 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.240 guys to be able to see it. But I know this, 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.200 it's not going to be the big one. He's not 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.120 going to get burnt out on it the way that 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:08.800 other guys get burned out on it. And he's not 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:10.360 going to look for it either. He's not going to 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.520 look for that attention. He's not going to make a 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.800 great play and look around and see to make sure 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.480 that everybody got that on the camera. He just wants 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.680 to play and he has something really cool during the 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.520 interview process. So I work with the guys on their 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.040 interviews and with the teams um like their GM interviews 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.160 and stuff, not not on the media so much. But 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:28.880 I had said, you know, you're gonna have to be 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.600 able to tell these teams why you think you're the 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.680 greatest quarterback ever. And he had a little bit of 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.920 a hard time with it my first year action. I 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.280 was like concern and then when I heard his answer, 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.600 I was like, and it was so genuine. I'm like, 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.360 this is like the best answer I've ever heard. Now, 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.199 he had said, you know, I don't honestly care about 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.520 being the greatest ever. I just want to be on 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:53.760 a team that went and just went on a run 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.839 and built a dynasty. I want to be the quarterback 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.320 on that team. And these are his words, like, I 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.199 know how important over roll that quarterback is gonna play, 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.360 but I'm not as concerned with being the greatest player ever. 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.640 I want to be the quarterback on the best team ever. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.120 That was not like how does this answer sound? It 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:20.280 was more like apologetic, like is this a bad answer? Well, 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.439 wait a second, Like because I know Sam will enough 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.559 to know, like, no, that is genuine. This kid is 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:29.720 incapable of BS And it's just absolutely what I think 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:31.680 is gonna play out for you guys. I think that's 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.640 what I think you guys are gonna at some point 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.720 look and go. Man. Jordan was right. That really is 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.959 his that really is his intention, which is just so cool. 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:46.520 How exciting is it for you to have trained Sam 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.400 and have watched him over the last five or six years, 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.839 the way he's developed and now he's the number three 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.800 overall pick with the Jets. And then you watch another 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.640 one of your protegees there and Josh Allen go number 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.040 seven overall the Buffalo Bills, and maybe, hey, maybe this 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.920 is going to become a big time a FCS rivalry 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.439 that will be able to watch for five times fifteen years. 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.480 This is absolutely going to become a big time a 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.319 FC East rivalry. We're gonna be able to watch for 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:16.560 ten of fifteen years. Absolutely, Josh is a total stud, 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:21.240 very different players, pretty different personalities. These guys actually became 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.360 best friends. Um, you know, you always hear about these 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.760 things where like the draft party afterwards, it was just 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.440 Sam and Josh and I and a couple of their 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.320 friends hanging out late. It was just cool, like there, 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.959 that's how they chose to do it, you know. Um, 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.400 these guys are just really really tight And the fact 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.280 that their first reaction after Josh got picked was like, 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.800 oh my gosh, when the FC East together, we get 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:47.280 to play each other twice a year? How cool is this? So? Um, 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:48.839 this would be really cool. I actually I haven't really 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.640 seen that before. You know, you go through these divisions 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.640 and you go, all right, which of these rival quarterbacks 0:12:54.679 --> 0:13:00.040 are like really good friends, you know, curarently do that. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.000 Everybody gets along, you know. I'm sure before the game, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:04.960 Eli and Carson went to say what's up and how 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:06.880 you doing and how your kids and all that stuff, 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.839 and it's great. These guys are actually tight. So their 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:12.960 roommates for three months, but it's not just three months, 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:17.280 it's seven three months, you know, and so it's so cool. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.000 And and they just have such a respect for each other. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.319 Josh's path was not a normal one, no offers to 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.800 go all that, so Sam has so much respect for him. 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.160 And then Josh has so much respect for a guy 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.880 because Sam's kind of from a small town too. They've 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.360 shared and they've had lots of deep conversations that I 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.840 don't even know about. It's really cool. So Josh has 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.760 so much respect for Sam for different reasons that this 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.719 is a really special thing. So for me to encapsulate 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.240 how I feel about that, you know sentence, I don't 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.160 think it's possible. And what were the followers like at 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.440 the house you guys set up for for a few months. Uh? 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.480 I read a couple of stories about them playing Fortnite 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:59.720 and also uh also quoting from movies and their personalities. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.240 Real they took off is that they got a chance 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.320 to know each other more. And like you said, it's 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.440 got to be awesome for you to see how much 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:12.600 respect in the genuine likeness they have for each other. Yeah, 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.320 it's it's real. It's um and they competed every day 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.160 to write. I mean, they both think they're the best 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.280 player in the draft, which is great. Do you want that? 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.800 I wouldn't want that any other way. It was just 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.080 never an issue, was never awkward. One guy had a 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.400 better day than the other guy. It was just support 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:30.120 and then the guy who didn't have the better day 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:31.960 would probably figure out how he was gonna beat him 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:33.840 the next day. You know. It was just really cool. 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:35.880 You know, I played a long time and in this 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.720 last three months ters about as much fun as I've 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.280 had doing football stuff as I've ever had. About that, 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:48.400 without giving away secrets, what makes your interaction with the 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.520 young quarterbacks coming up unique? Jordan? You have that the 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.600 determinous experience. You just mentioned. You didn't take a snap 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.120 in the National Football League, but you played for seven 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:04.240 eight years. Know everybody, what makes your camp unique as 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:10.120 far as maybe the philosophy and also from a drill perspective. Well, 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.040 I think it starts with I'm living in my purpose. 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.360 So my purpose is used my experiences on and off 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.360 the field to help entrepreneurs maximize their opportunities on off 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.400 the field. So I really only worked with the quarterbacks 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.960 that I think treating their career like a business. And 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:25.720 I have some high school kids to do that, and 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.120 so I don't really do a lot of private training. 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.680 Is not my full time job. I have a business unrelated. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.080 So I really like to the kids who see this 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.520 as the opportunity to take that next step in their life. 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.480 And and and you don't play football forever. My brother just 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.880 retired the thirty nine. It's got two year old son. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.360 He's got a lot of LFE left. And so really 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.040 positioning yourself to squeeze everything you can out of your 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.960 football career, whether that means starting one game your senior year, 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:51.920 or being the third pick in the draft, or you 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.920 know Carson who's statistically like the twelfth greatest quarterback of 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.120 all time, whatever your journey is, you know, I really 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.960 want to use my experiences to help them maximize our opportunities. 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.160 And so it comes from that place. And then the 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:05.880 second you know, I know as much as what it 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.840 takes to be a franchise quarterback of I think anyone 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:13.720 in the world ever who wasn't a franchise quarterback because 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.400 it wasn't just my brother who was one, but I, 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.480 you know, I did play, you know, a better part 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.240 of eight years around some really good ones. And and 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:23.960 I also backed my brother up for three years, and 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:25.920 I intimately know the things that he went through more 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.960 so than most backups now. And this is my best friend. 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.960 So there's just so much stuff that happens that I've 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.360 been exposed to that I can share before it happens, 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.360 but also can be there, you know, during the high 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.960 times and the low times and uh. And so that's 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.400 been something that's been really really valuable for me to 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.720 help these guys on their journey and and I just 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:49.440 enjoyed doing it a lot. Well, that's fabulous insight. We 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.480 really enjoyed catching up with you, and thanks for coming 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:58.000 out in the pot. Thanks guys. Great talking to Jordan Palmer. 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.080 I mean, tremendous insight really from someone spent three months 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.440 with Sam Donald and we didn't talk about this with him, 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.480 but I heard on a separate interview that when Jordan's 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.960 first met Sam Donald, he called him a dead ringer 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.520 for his brother Carson Palmer. As far as what he 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.920 looked like or the player, I think he just met 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:18.960 kind of like an all encompassing kind of thing, because 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:20.959 remember we just talked to him about it, and I 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.000 think I was aware of that before, even before I 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:29.720 asked that question. Southern California's football is big, obviously, and 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:34.160 Jordan was familiar with Donald at fifteen, so he must 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.439 have been a pretty darn good athlete at fifteen probably. 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.080 I mean we've talked about this before. He played linebacker 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.920 in high school. He was a point guard. Actually, Trent Dilford, 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.760 who was the first point guards average he's like you, 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.600 probably because you know you like to put the ball up. 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.359 The guy average more than a game. If you're a 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.840 point guard, average is more than twenty a game. Are 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:55.680 you a point guard? Is that what you're saying, Well, 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:57.760 he's James Harden a point guard. You're like a one 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:02.040 slash two. You're everything it No, Cheese Hard is not 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.080 a point guard. Chris Paul is a point guard. Is 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.119 Ben Simmons a point guard? It's a great question. But regardless, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.359 Sam Donald played point guard I don't know what his 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.680 teammates were like, so maybe he needed to score. But 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.920 he's a big guy to my mom said that after 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.160 I interviewed him and said, wow, he's such a big guy, 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:19.760 and I said, well, mom, I'm not that big of 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:25.080 a guy. Okay, well neither mi. But so so so 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.920 what Jordan's said there, and I tend to agree with this, 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.760 is that he thinks the NFL is changing. He thinks 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:38.360 the quarterbacks are going to have to make plays out 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.000 of the pocket. So are we seeing as like, uh, 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.880 the old hockey analogy. I used to play goalie grown up, 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.120 and folks used to talk about the stand up goalie. 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.840 There's no such thing as a stand up goalie anymore. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.840 Everybody pretty much in the National Hockey League is now 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.960 a butterfly goaltender. So now are we gonna be talking 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.040 in ten years as far as our or any true 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:06.199 prototypical pass remain. Do they remain or are they going 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:10.720 to be dinosaurs? Because our guys like Donald who listen, 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.359 he doesn't live out of the pocket. But the big 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:17.800 key there is that he can win and succeed on 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:23.160 Sundays because he doesn't need to necessarily stay in there 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.080 he can make plays off script. I guess we'll find 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:31.760 out in both Donald's case and the evolution of the NFL. 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:34.520 But I think that what Palmer is saying is true 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.000 is that if you look at the quarterbacks coming out, 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.280 I mean, Josh Rosen was the purest passer, but he 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.520 wasn't the most mobile. However, there are a lot of 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.080 guys that are like that anymore coming out of college. 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.879 And I mean we'll see, I mean not only the quarterbacks, 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.919 but you know, Charles Davis at the Common said the 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.840 running back renaissance is real, and a couple of years 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.240 ago we were talking about that the running backs are 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:01.480 no longer as important as a once were. So what 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:03.760 we'll see, it's a constant evolution. And that's just the 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.440 way the NFL go. Four quarterbacks. One of the top ten. 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.880 You mentioned Rosen, and he's the guy who's most likely 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:13.760 to try and to beat you from that pocket position. 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.800 But Baker Mayfield has tremendous feet. He's gonna make the 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:23.080 transition from Oklahoma's offense. But he's an accurate pastor. But 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.359 he can buy time. We know Donald can buy time. 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.359 We know Donald can also pick up yards down the 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:33.439 field with his feet, he's tough, he's got more of 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:38.800 a bigger body. And he also had some interesting comments 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.280 on Josh Allen. There because Josh Allen, people are like, oh, 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.000 he's just an arm He's a really good athlete. You 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.640 might get you might see the Bill sometimes dialing up 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:50.960