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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Little Peyton Lautner was just

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Speaker 1: twelve years old when she was allured to the woods

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Speaker 1: the two perps her twelve year old friends. In the

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Speaker 1: last days, a stunning blow to the victim. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: That's right. In the last days, the slender Man stabber

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Speaker 1: Morgan Geyser is set to be released from prison, despite

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Speaker 1: the little victim, Peyton Lautner's anguished please. Geyser and co

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Speaker 1: defendant Anissa Weir just twelve when they attacked their little

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Speaker 1: friend Peyton Lautner. Since that time, Duyser has been in

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Speaker 1: a psychiatric facility, but in the last days, a judge

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Speaker 1: grants her release, this over the anguished please of the

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Speaker 1: victim and her family. What happened that horrible night?

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Speaker 2: She walks up coming on and transfer with a caller

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Speaker 2: on Big Bend at the dead End just south of RIVERA. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's awesome.

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Speaker 3: Came upon a twelve year old female.

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Speaker 2: Two pears to be stabbed. She appears to be wet

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Speaker 2: stap stabbed. Okay, sorry for there. Yes, Hi, sir, So

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Speaker 2: are you with this twel year old female?

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Speaker 4: Yes? She says she's having trouble breathing. She said she

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Speaker 4: was stabbed multiple times.

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Speaker 2: That multiple times. Yeah, okay, sir, are you with her

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Is she awake?

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Speaker 4: She's awake.

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Speaker 2: Is she breathing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's breathing. She said she can take shallow breath.

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Speaker 4: She's alert.

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Speaker 2: Okay, whether we're sending the police department, don't hang up, okay,

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Speaker 2: hold on you a minute. Don't hang up, okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: hold on, schmister. We're setting officers. Is there any assailants around?

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Speaker 1: Ah?

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Speaker 4: I didn't even look. I don't see anybody.

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Speaker 2: Okay, stay stay right with her, sir. Is she on

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Speaker 4: No, she's laying on the grass.

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Speaker 2: Is there any bleeding going on?

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Speaker 4: Her clothing has got blood on it.

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Speaker 2: Where are the wounds? Do you see where the wounds are?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I should be rolling or over

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Speaker 4: and checking or not. Do you know where?

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Speaker 2: Okay, just stay with her and just let me know

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Speaker 2: if she's conscious or alert or stop spreading anything. Hold

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Speaker 5: Okay, so you see any active bleeding or blood spurting

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Speaker 4: No, unless it's underneath or I just see dried blood.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just dried blood.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing a nine one one call. That becomes

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Speaker 1: even more chilling when you realize the victim is a

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Speaker 7: T m J four Wire told police planning the attack

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Speaker 7: made her scared, but she wanted to prove Sunderman's skeptics wrong.

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Speaker 8: And I would never my family again, and b I

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Speaker 7: That I live in Crady, Guyser says. The victim Peyton

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Speaker 9: Damn her.

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Speaker 5: Was weird?

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Speaker 6: Were the baby?

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Speaker 9: I'm wanting to hurt people before, but they're not named

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Speaker 1: A little girl saying before, I wanted to hurt people

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Speaker 1: and they deserved it. Two girls, Morgan Geyser and Anissa Weir.

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Speaker 1: Could they possibly have lured their twelve year old litle

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Speaker 1: now to crime Online. Dot Com investigative reporter Levi Paige Levi,

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Speaker 1: take me back to the night this little girl was

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Speaker 1: But it turns out it's two little girls.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 10: Nancy May twenty fourteen, Morgan Geyser is celebrating her birthday.

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Speaker 10: She had turned twelve, and she invited two of her classmates,

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Speaker 10: her friend Peyton Lutner and Anissa Weir, who are also twelve,

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Speaker 10: over to her home. They went skating, they ate frozen yogurt.

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Speaker 10: They had a slumber party.

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Speaker 1: Okay, stop stop, stop, stop right there, Jason Oceans, this

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Speaker 1: is just like every other kid's birthday party. Jason Oceans.

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Speaker 1: You've got two children, You've lived through it. It makes

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott that this was supposed to be an innocent,

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Speaker 11: I mean, really, yeah, you would think that they'd be

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Speaker 11: Wouldn't you think twelve years old. Who's going to expect

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Speaker 1: I mean Chloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD, twenty

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Speaker 1: twelve year old killers. I'm not proud of it, but

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Speaker 1: I had to do a stint in juvenile. But usually

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Speaker 1: getting their parents drugs, mental issues that nobody knew about

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Speaker 1: those types of killings by twelve year olds. But two

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Speaker 1: little suburban twelve year old girls having a birthday party, Really,

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Speaker 1: have you ever seen anything like that, because.

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Speaker 11: I have not.

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Speaker 6: I've never seen thing of the twelve year old life.

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Speaker 6: And something very similar with some like sixteen year old

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Speaker 6: boys or or like you know, not criminal boys that

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Speaker 6: lured one of their friends into the woods and killed

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Speaker 6: them because of an argument over a girl. But this

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Speaker 6: is really an anomaly. And like you said, I've arrested

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Speaker 6: I think the youngest I arrested as thirteen, but that

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Speaker 1: So it's really unusual, a lot different from a little

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Speaker 1: like when, let me just compare it to a little

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Speaker 1: coming that I'm explain. What am I trying to say?

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Speaker 1: Put it in forensic psychiatric words.

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Speaker 5: Well, they ask you. It's a little bit different than

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Speaker 12: A twelve year old doesn't really have the capacity to

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Speaker 1: Of I'm saying, you don't see it coming, Bober. I

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Speaker 1: a twelve year old girl. What I'm saying is the

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well, I agree with you. You definitely don't see a company.

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Speaker 12: It's not something you would ever see coming. I agree

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Speaker 1: Wait, you're the renown forensic psychiatrist and your takeaway is yet,

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Speaker 1: Nancy is something you don't see coming.

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Speaker 9: That's it.

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Speaker 1: I've already said that, doctor Bober. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: think of something impressive and psychiatric, right, Now, well, let me.

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Speaker 12: Just say that if it was something we would see coming,

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Speaker 5: But the point, but.

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Speaker 12: My point is is that it's something that you would

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Speaker 12: the future consequences of their actions.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're certainly right about that, Levi PAGEC. All you

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Speaker 1: had to do was say skating rink and everything went sideways.

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Speaker 1: Let's just go back to the party.

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Speaker 11: What happened.

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Speaker 10: So then they had a sleepover and after the sleepover

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Speaker 10: in the morning, the three girls went to the park.

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Speaker 10: They went for a walk, and this was Morgan Geyser

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Speaker 5: So they went out into the woods.

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Speaker 10: And while they were in the woods, they were playing

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Speaker 10: and stabbed her nineteen times.

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Speaker 1: And this is after they have to spend the night

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Speaker 1: with the little girl. The three of them besties take

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Speaker 1: a Listen to our Friend Davy Muir at ABC twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty with Angie Geyser's Morgan's mom, Peyton.

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Speaker 9: Was so so excited.

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Speaker 5: The girls met in fourth grade. Peyton drawn to Morgan

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Speaker 5: because she was a loner who needed a friend.

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Speaker 13: I made friends with her when I saw that she

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Speaker 13: didn't have any friends at all.

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Speaker 5: Also, at that sleepover, Anissa Wire, who was new to

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Speaker 5: the next morning when Morgan and Anissa suggests they all

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Speaker 13: And Nissa told me to lie on the ground and

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Speaker 9: But it was really just a trick.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Bombshell in the Last Days,

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Speaker 1: the slender Man stabber Morgan Geyser is set to be

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Speaker 1: released from prison. When the little twelve year old victim

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Speaker 1: family relieved she managed to pull through, and now, at

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Speaker 1: the ten year mark of the brutal stabbing, we learn

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Speaker 1: the perp is set to be really Recall she was

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Speaker 1: sentenced to forty years behind bars. That sentence went down

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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. It's only been six years since the

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Speaker 1: sentence occurred. What happened the night a twelve year old

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Speaker 1: little girl was lured to her planned death by Slenderman devotees?

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Speaker 2: Don't be afraid.

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Speaker 4: I remember a little kitty cat jumped on top of fellas.

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Speaker 5: Shot her for you, And do you remember when it started?

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Speaker 13: Kind of I didn't feel anything because my body was

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Speaker 13: in shock. So they told me to lay down, you'll

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Speaker 13: lose blood. Slower like we're gonna go get.

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Speaker 4: Help, and tried to get up.

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Speaker 6: Trying to get up, he said that she couldn't walk

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Speaker 14: Had breathed, and they told her they were going to

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Speaker 14: go get her help, but Anissa flat outside.

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Speaker 9: No, we weren't getting the help we wanted her today.

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Speaker 13: I got up and I just walked until I hit

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Speaker 9: Can lay down.

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Speaker 5: A bicyclist notices Peyton bloodied and lying in the grass.

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Speaker 5: He calls nine one one.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at ABC twenty twenty. That was

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Speaker 1: David Mure with Peyton along with Detective Tressoni. Did you notice,

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan that the little victim then twelve year

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Speaker 1: old Peyton says, by the way, when you hear them

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Speaker 1: refer to Bella, that's her nickname. Peyton's nickname is Bella.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear her say I didn't feel anything? What

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Speaker 11: Well, that means and she's actually in some of her

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Speaker 1: You know, I've noticed it with my daughter Lucy. The

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Speaker 5: Really just a trick.

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Speaker 1: There, stabbed nineteen times and left by her attackers to quote,

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Speaker 5: Have you ever watched any of those interrogations.

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Speaker 13: Shocking to me to see that they had this big,

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Speaker 1: A big, huge plan they had been working on for months.

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Speaker 1: Guyser and Anissa Weir, execute a long planned scheme to

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Speaker 1: But why listen?

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Speaker 5: This is where the story takes another turn to a

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Speaker 14: So they called the Creaming about Shaki expluence like for

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Speaker 9: And there's one of the called PM Who's wonder is He's.

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Speaker 14: That is a Welsh like explaining generals from his back

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Speaker 14: children Anissa explained to me that to prove yourself worthy

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Speaker 1: You have to kill someone to go live with slender Man.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend David Murrror and detectives during the

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Speaker 1: Bella dead. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the slender Man

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Speaker 1: stab or set to be released. Are you kidding? This

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Speaker 1: the stabbing? Levipage with me crime online dot com investigative

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Speaker 1: journalist who is slender Man?

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Speaker 10: So this is a fictional character, Nancy that is very

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Speaker 10: Geyser was obsessed with slender Man. When law enforcement got

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Speaker 1: Well, there's everything you need to show premeditation. To defense

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Speaker 1: And how can both girls have the same psychiatric delusion

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Speaker 3: I analogize this type of you know, mind control that

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Speaker 3: It is It does shock the conscience that this happened,

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Speaker 3: and clearly from you know, monitoring your children and you know,

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Speaker 1: What about it, Doctor Daniel Bober joining me forensics psychiatrists

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Speaker 12: Yeah, Nancy, you see this a lot. For example, I

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Speaker 12: remember during the Columbine shootings, parents had no idea that

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Speaker 12: Cleebold and Harris were stockpiling weapons in their own garage. Like,

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Speaker 12: they never bothered to check that there were weapons being

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Speaker 12: stockpiled in their garage. So, unfortunately, this is something that

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Speaker 12: happens with parents. They just kind of give their kids

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Speaker 12: these electronic babysitters like cell phones, and they're not really

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Speaker 12: paying attention to what's going on. But in regard cards

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Speaker 12: to what you said before, yes, of course the kids

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Speaker 12: did not have the same delusion. But sometimes when you

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Speaker 12: get two kids together and one of them has a

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Speaker 12: more dominant personality and more dominant traits, they will lead

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Speaker 12: the weaker kid to go along with their plan, even

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Speaker 12: though it's not something they would have done on their own.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 14: I've never gone into an interview so blind as I

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Speaker 14: have in this one. I thought that maybe this was

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Speaker 14: all about a boy.

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Speaker 9: This is a fight about a boy.

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Speaker 1: I know what happened, and I.

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Speaker 14: Don't know, and I need to know that.

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Speaker 8: Okay, we didn't know what these girls were going to

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Speaker 8: tell us what you stand her?

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Speaker 14: My thought was, why would she do this?

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Speaker 9: Who the heck is slender Man?

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Speaker 15: The road that she was located on was Big Bend Road.

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Speaker 5: At the dead end of.

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Speaker 15: That Peyton wasn't moving a whole lot. As I approached her,

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Speaker 15: I said, Hi, I am Officer Dan.

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Speaker 9: Are you okay?

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Speaker 15: And she said no, And I said, okay, help is

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Speaker 15: on the way. Just stay right where you are.

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Speaker 5: And as I got.

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Speaker 15: Closer, I started to see a little bit more blood,

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Speaker 15: and the closer I got, the more.

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Speaker 5: Blood I saw. Somehow she'd been able to pull herself

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Speaker 5: out of those woods, and in another moment of strength,

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Speaker 5: she was able to communicate with him.

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Speaker 15: I asked her who did this, and she told me

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Speaker 15: her friend Morgan. I then asked her where did this happen,

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Speaker 15: and she told me that happened in the woods.

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Speaker 5: She was the first one to reveal that it was Morgan,

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Speaker 5: her best friend, who was behind this.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing Officer Dan Clain speaking with twenty twenty David

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Speaker 1: Muir Levi Page Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Levi

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Speaker 1: when the search warrant was executed on Geyser and Where's

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Speaker 1: Homes what was found?

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Speaker 10: So I mentioned about the Internet searches on Morgan's computer

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Speaker 10: that said how to get away with murder. They had

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Speaker 10: also found mutilated dolls in her room that had the

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Speaker 10: body parts cut off of them.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Dear Lord in heaven. Did Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert,

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Speaker 1: professor of forensics, an author of Blood Beneath My Feet

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Speaker 1: on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, this is right up your alley,

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Speaker 1: speaking of forensics.

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Speaker 11: Uh. Yeah, well, Nancy, let me go to something real

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Speaker 11: quick that you know, we've talked about this, this obsession

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Speaker 11: that these girls have with slender Man, and they're doing

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Speaker 11: his bidding and living in this fantastical world where they're

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Speaker 11: you know, they've got to make some kind of I

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Speaker 11: don't know, sacrifice this guy. Let me tell you what's

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Speaker 11: based in reality. What's based in reality is this girl

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Speaker 11: was subject to being stabbed by five a blade of

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Speaker 11: five inches in lengthd and she stabbed nineteen times. Nancy.

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Speaker 11: Her liver was actually clipped. It passed through her pancreas

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Speaker 11: it passed through her diaphragm, and she was very close

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Speaker 11: to dying. You know, I did a calculation just a

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Speaker 11: moment ago. Let's just say that she only weighed eighty

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Speaker 11: pounds twelve years old. You know, she's gotten less than

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Speaker 11: a gallon of blood in her body. It is an

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Speaker 11: absolute miracle that she survived. And I'm just talking about

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Speaker 11: the organs, not to mention all the little peripheral stab

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Speaker 11: wounds that she sustained. She had an angel on her

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Speaker 11: shoulder at that time.

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Speaker 1: The injuries done to this twelve year old little girl

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Speaker 1: are overwhelming. But listen to this. After Weird and guys

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Speaker 1: are tell detectives they had to kill Bella to become

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Speaker 1: Slenderman's servants. We now know that when the jury decided

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Speaker 1: the little girls were only insane. We're met had a

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Speaker 1: mental defect. This means that every six months they can

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Speaker 1: petition the court to be released. Every six months. According

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Speaker 1: to the victim's mom, she says, the potential release of

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Speaker 1: an assailant that methodically planned and executed an attack on

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Speaker 1: our little girl where she was stabbed nineteen times, put

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Speaker 1: the community in our family at risk.

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Speaker 10: They pleaded guilty. Anissa Weir took a plea deal and

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Speaker 10: she pled pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of attempted

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Speaker 10: second degree intentional homicide. As part of her deal, a

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Speaker 10: jury would hear her insanity defense. Then they were going

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Speaker 10: to decide on whether or not she would be responsible

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Speaker 10: and sent to prison. Are not guilty by a reason

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Speaker 10: of a mental defect and sent to a mental institution.

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Speaker 10: They wanted to send her to a mental institute so

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Speaker 10: she didn't get sent to prison. In twenty seventeen, a

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Speaker 10: jury found her not guilty by reason of a mental

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Speaker 10: disease or defect and was sentenced to a twenty five

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Speaker 10: year commitment into a state institution. And Morgan Geyser's lawyers

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Speaker 10: also made a similar deal. She pleaded guilty to attempted

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Speaker 10: first degree intentional homicide and prosecutors agreed as part of

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Speaker 10: this deal not to challenge her insanity defense, and she

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Speaker 10: was sentenced to forty years in a mental institution.

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Speaker 1: Lloyd Steiger twenty two years homicide detective, author of homicide

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Speaker 1: the v from inside the Yellow Tape. When you commit

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Speaker 1: a murder at age twelve, or in this case, attempted murder,

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Speaker 1: that's that's a tough sell to be released back out

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Speaker 1: into the community, because if you are homicidal at that age,

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Speaker 1: what are you going to be like at twenty one.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's just a question. I mean, it's really puts

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Speaker 6: people at risk. But first of all, I also going

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Speaker 6: to say at this police department, which is a relatively

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Speaker 6: small police apartment, probably not very experienced in their homicide,

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Speaker 6: they did a great job from the patrol officer getting

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Speaker 6: there asking appropriate questions, and great job by both the

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Speaker 6: detectives and their interviews and the techniques they use, and

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Speaker 6: the casualness and the setting of the room. So I mean,

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Speaker 6: you know, people from big cities New York, Los Angeles,

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Speaker 6: they don't expect to have a case like this, But

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Speaker 6: when it happens in a suburban, smaller town, you think

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Speaker 6: they'd be overwhelmed, but they stepped to the plate. They's

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Speaker 6: just a terrible case all the way around.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Peyton, the victim Olson and Isbelle

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Speaker 1: as she speaks out.

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Speaker 5: Have you ever watched any of those interrogations.

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Speaker 9: I watched a little bit.

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Speaker 5: What was your reaction.

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Speaker 13: It was a little shocking to me to see that

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Speaker 13: they had this big, huge, plan that they had been

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Speaker 13: working on for months.

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Speaker 1: To doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist joining us, what would

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Speaker 1: be the prospects of these two girls would be killers

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Speaker 1: ever or becoming anything less than a threat if they

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Speaker 1: are released?

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Speaker 12: Nancy, I totally agree with you. I'm sorry I strike that.

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Speaker 12: I totally disagree with you. The brain of a twelve

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Speaker 12: year old.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's what she called a Freudian slip.

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Speaker 9: But go ahead.

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Speaker 12: The brain of a twelve year old is just not

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Speaker 12: the brain of a twenty five year old, and the

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Speaker 12: science is not consistent with what you guys are saying.

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Speaker 12: For example, children who display what we call conduct disorder behavior,

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Speaker 12: two thirds of them do not go on, I repeat,

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Speaker 12: do not go on to become antisocial. So a twelve

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Speaker 12: year old committing a murder.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, well, did you say conduct disorder.

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Speaker 12: It's what we call conduct disorder. It's sort of the forerunner.

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Speaker 1: Does that include stabbing deaths?

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Speaker 12: I agree that a stabbing.

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Speaker 1: I mean you're making a sound like she just threw

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Speaker 1: a tantrument in the floor of target. No, that's not

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Speaker 1: what happened.

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Speaker 12: But that's actually that would actually be more oppositional behavior.

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Speaker 12: But The point I'm trying to make is you can't

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Speaker 12: say that someone who's twelve who commits a murder at

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Speaker 12: twenty five is going to be a menace to society

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Speaker 12: because they are totally different persons and they have a

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Speaker 12: totally different brain at twenty five than they did at

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Speaker 12: age twelve.

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Speaker 1: I do know that what happened has changed Peyton Lawn

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Speaker 1: or the victim's life forever.

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Speaker 5: One of the things I will never forget from this

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Speaker 5: interview with Peyton Lightner all these years later is what

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Speaker 5: she said to me when I asked, what would you

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Speaker 5: say to Morgan Geyser if you saw her today, if

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Speaker 5: she saw this interview, what would you want to say

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Speaker 5: to her?

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Speaker 13: There's a lot that I would want to say to her.

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Speaker 13: I would probably initially thank her, I would say, because

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Speaker 13: of what she did, I have the life I have now,

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Speaker 13: which I really really like it.

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Speaker 5: You do know that when people hear you say I

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Speaker 5: would probably thank her that they're going to be surprised.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm surprised to hear myself say that. Why because

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Speaker 13: I wouldn't think that someone who went through what I

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Speaker 13: did whatever say that. But that's truly how I feel like,

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Speaker 13: without the whole situation.

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't be who I am.

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Speaker 1: Stronger guys are stabbed Peyton across her arms, legs, and torso,

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Speaker 1: hitting multiple major arteries and severing her diaphragm. Guys are

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Speaker 1: did this while we're egged her on. Both girls claim

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Speaker 1: they were motivated by a fictional slender Man, a tall,

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Speaker 1: freaky dude that is a fictional horror character. A shot

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Speaker 1: to the victim and the victim's families when the slender

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Speaker 1: Man stabber is set to be released, you know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: it feels like there is no justice. We wait as

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Speaker 1: the Slender Man stabbing story goes on.

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Speaker 5: Goodbye Friend,