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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing another one of these advice segments. You all

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Speaker 1: seem to enjoy them, so please send in your questions

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Speaker 1: Carol Maarkowitz Show at gmail dot com, or you can

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Speaker 1: use the anonymous form I post on X. I'm joined

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Speaker 1: here by Buck Sexton, co host of The Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Buck, so great to have you back.

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Speaker 3: Hello, great to be back.

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Speaker 1: So some of our questions are very calm and staid,

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Speaker 1: and other questions get a little racier. So this is

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Speaker 1: going to be one of those. And I should also

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Speaker 1: note I've gotten a lot of questions, but I you know,

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Speaker 1: I only think some of them are worth engaging in.

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Speaker 1: That's why this is not a regular segment every week.

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Speaker 1: I only get so many questions that I think are

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Speaker 1: worth answering, and this is one of those. So here

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Speaker 1: we go. Hello, Carol, new listener. I like your matter

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Speaker 1: of fact way of answering questions. My husband and I

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Speaker 1: have a good relationship. I knew he watched porn occasionally,

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Speaker 1: but I never minded and it never affected our life.

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Speaker 1: In the last year, our state has made it so

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Speaker 1: you have to upload your ID to access porn sites.

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Speaker 1: When that happened, he got so worked up about this.

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Speaker 1: His behavior became erratic and moody, and that made me concerned.

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Speaker 1: He was addicted and I had not known that. He

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Speaker 1: figured out some work around and our life went back

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Speaker 1: to normal. But I can't forget how crazed he got

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Speaker 1: about it, and I don't know what to do. What

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Speaker 1: do you think, buck?

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Speaker 3: Oh boy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was fine with it, and then they took

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Speaker 1: it away from him and he got crazy.

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Speaker 3: So I've got to let me, let me try to

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Speaker 3: work through this, because this isn't one. Sometimes people ask

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Speaker 3: me a question and I feel like I've answered it

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Speaker 3: in different forms about three hundred times over the fifteen

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Speaker 3: years i've been doing media. Yeah, this is a first,

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Speaker 3: so I need to find this is the first time.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to just say that upfron, I've addressed

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Speaker 3: this before. I feel like our generation, meaning of men,

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Speaker 3: we're the first generation now, guys in their forties, maybe

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Speaker 3: into their fifties a little bit, who had this thing

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Speaker 3: of this giant world of free and instantaneous pornography available

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Speaker 3: to us, all with an Internet connection. Yeah, and that

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Speaker 3: remember before it was always like you had to get

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Speaker 3: this magazine. You kind of knew that it was like

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Speaker 3: a little there was something a little brilliant. Maybe you

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Speaker 3: found like the construction Workers Playboy magazine somewhere, and you

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Speaker 3: were like hopeful that your mom never found out. You know,

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Speaker 3: You're like, your mom's always found out. You always found out,

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Speaker 3: that's always, you know, And then there was this little

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Speaker 3: coming of age moment where you're like, you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: magazine anyway. But that was also very tame stuff too,

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Speaker 3: and that was always there's always kind of a limit,

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Speaker 3: you know, at least Playba, and that's always there's always

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Speaker 3: a limitation on that. I I am opposed to not

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Speaker 3: just pornography on sort of moral and ethical terms, but

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Speaker 3: I actually think it's really bad for men. It's bad

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Speaker 3: for women because it's degrading and because of the you know,

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Speaker 3: this is a quote industry that I think is destroying

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Speaker 3: people's lives and in many ways really darkening their souls.

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Speaker 3: So I'm pretty I don't know, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: like puritanical, almost sounds like self refuting, but I'm generally

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Speaker 3: very opposed to porn across the board. And I would

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Speaker 3: even say for men, I think it's really damaging because

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Speaker 3: you're training training your mind to think about these things

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Speaker 3: in certain ways, and you're disassociating actual human contact and

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Speaker 3: connection from the sex act. And I think it's bad

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Speaker 3: for guys from a motivational perspective. I think actually the

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Speaker 3: desire to couple with somebody, partner with somebody, and to

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Speaker 3: like find somebody are in real life right is hugely

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Speaker 3: motivating for men in the best way civilization building, Like

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Speaker 3: I need to be. It's worth a woman's time for

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Speaker 3: her to make the very profound decision to have a

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Speaker 3: I think that's not only a beautiful thing when it's

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Speaker 3: obviously done right, it's like the ware species you know exists.

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Speaker 3: But also I think it's really important for the male

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Speaker 3: So it's almost like in that.

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Speaker 1: This is all very very nice. I love that you

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Speaker 1: think like this, this is.

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Speaker 3: In the and I'll tell you I mean I made

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Speaker 3: I made a conscious decision in my twenties. I will

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Speaker 3: tell you, when I was at Amherst, there was porn

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Speaker 3: I would walk into friends rooms and they were like,

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Speaker 3: in my twenties, it was just like I was like,

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Speaker 3: why would you do something that, like would you be

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Speaker 3: embarrassed for someone to know about? But you still think

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Speaker 1: A mazing there, But it's true, why would you be

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Speaker 1: doing something that would embarrass you?

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Speaker 3: And I want to be clear, I also like I

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Speaker 3: feel badly for a lot of men because on the again,

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Speaker 3: putting aside like the exploitation of women thing, which about

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Speaker 3: but putting aside the exploitation of women, which is a

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Speaker 3: given and I think is a really horrible part of pornography,

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Speaker 3: but just on the on the more on the male

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Speaker 3: it's like ninety percent of porn ninety five percent of

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Speaker 3: porn watching or what it's male. Right, This is a

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Speaker 3: and I just think that it's been It was so

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Speaker 3: lot of men that you had to really spend time

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Speaker 3: thinking about this on your own to I think realize,

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Speaker 3: like what, like what are you doing and why are

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Speaker 3: you you know, why do you think that this has

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Like I think about comedians used to stand up commedy

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Speaker 3: there they would say like, oh, you know, I've I've

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of ways to say it,

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Speaker 3: but you know, yeah, doing the things that guys doing, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: looking at more all this stuff and it's like that's weird,

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Speaker 3: is damaging. So back to the initial question about this,

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Speaker 3: that it bothers, I think what Cheese might be confusing

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Speaker 3: might be conflating. Confusing is the wrong word. Conflating is

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Speaker 3: a suppressed sense of shame with an addiction. That's saying

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Speaker 3: he's not addicted to it. I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 3: know this man, I don't know. I don't know. But

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Speaker 3: I think that part of what may be so off

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Speaker 3: driven by It's not oh, I won't be able to

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Speaker 3: get through my day without porn. It's how dare they

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Speaker 3: take away First Commendment right to like be able as

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Speaker 3: Like it turns into this self justifying thing because I

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Speaker 3: maybe at least subconsciously, And I think that that may

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Speaker 3: But I also think that it's completely fair for her

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Speaker 3: to the gentle approach here is so important, and this

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Speaker 3: is something that marriages. You know, I've been reading a

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Speaker 3: like an old pro at this, but reading reading books

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Speaker 1: Haven't read any books on marriage. I feel like maybe

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Speaker 1: I should just answer these questions.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, we just kind of important stuff, really

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Speaker 3: such important stuff that the difference between success and failure,

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Speaker 1: It always that it's always the woman approaching the man

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because men tend to react like like men have

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Speaker 3: you're a great father. But you know, I just you know,

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Speaker 3: I want us to talk about our intimacy level and

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Speaker 3: you need this other outlet in addition whatever I'm giving

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Speaker 3: you as the wife, that may I just looks that

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Speaker 3: may go, well, hey, why do you have a porn addiction?

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Speaker 1: But I just want to say, she seems to have

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Speaker 1: made her think, maybe I haven't realized what was going on.

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Speaker 3: I get that, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I know I agree with you, you know I agree

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Speaker 1: with you on a lot. I probably I don't want

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Speaker 1: not proporn at all, but I'm less anti porn than you.

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Speaker 1: I'm less anti porn than you. I'm not as like

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Speaker 1: you know, this is the just horrible, horrible. It is horrible,

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Speaker 1: but not quite where you are on it. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure that her issue is I guess you know how

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Speaker 1: much he's watching it, or the intimacy that they have

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Speaker 1: or don't have. It's that she saw him react very

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Speaker 1: her concerned for him. From a woman's perspective, that would

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Speaker 1: be how I would start a conversation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're stopping at why she concerned. She's concerned because

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Speaker 3: she thinks he's an addict, right, so she thinks she

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Speaker 3: My book Manufacturing Delusion, coming out in January, goes into

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Speaker 2: Good to be here, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So I have to tell you we've only met, I believe,

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Speaker 1: this light you really are. You're very very smart, but

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Speaker 1: you're very personable, which is a very rare combination in Washington,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. That's very different from when I used

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Speaker 1: That's excellent. How did you get your start in this world?

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Speaker 2: It's a great you know, I think that. So I

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Speaker 2: and doing diplomacy. I would love that. And maybe that's

437
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Speaker 2: in the future as the kids get older, et cetera.

438
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Speaker 2: How old are kids? Oldest is so I have three

439
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Speaker 2: girls and two boys. My oldest is sixteen and my

440
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Speaker 2: youngest is almost seven, So there's nine years between the

441
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Speaker 2: oldest and youngest, So that's great.

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Speaker 1: I have fifteen, twelve, and almost ten. Yeah, I think

443
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Speaker 1: that as they get older, the possibilities of what you

444
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Speaker 1: could do professionally really expand I would say that probably

445
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Speaker 1: my regret is not being maybe a stay at home

446
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Speaker 1: mom for longer I was in the beginning for my daughter.

447
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Speaker 1: But maybe that's a path that you know that you

448
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Speaker 1: can't go back to. So the fact that you had

449
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Speaker 1: this time with your kids, that you you chose the

450
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Speaker 1: flexible time, I think probably the right call.

451
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Speaker 2: You can't go back to that. Yeah, I think so.

452
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Speaker 2: I I was I we had my first we had

453
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Speaker 2: our first child, my daughter, and I thought I'll have her,

454
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Speaker 2: I'll kind of have like a nanny at home, and

455
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Speaker 2: I'll go back. And we tried that for like a month. Yeah,

456
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: and then I was like, oh, what am I doing.

457
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Speaker 2: She's just like for everything I love. I mean, I

458
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Speaker 2: love foreign policy and I love national security policy because

459
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Speaker 2: I love this country and I want to leave it

460
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Speaker 2: for my kids. So I you know, I love my kids.

461
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: It's all really for them. And so my husband looked

462
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Speaker 2: at me one time we were driving into work together,

463
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Speaker 2: and he was like, you should just stay home, Like

464
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Speaker 2: we'll figure it out, love that and yeah, so it

465
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Speaker 2: and my kids are I mean, you know, like as

466
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Speaker 2: they turn into teenagers and you're like, not only are

467
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 2: they all like they're interesting and funny and smart, and

468
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Speaker 2: he's like, I.

469
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Speaker 1: Made this, this is why I did this. Yeah. Yeah,

470
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Speaker 1: So I guess that that leads me pretty easily into

471
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Speaker 1: one of my three questions, which is what are you

472
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Speaker 1: most proud of your life?

473
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say just our home, our kids. We

474
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Speaker 2: have just you know, even not just a kid because

475
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: you know, as a mom, Yeah, they come from you

476
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: and you pour into them and into your best to

477
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Speaker 2: help shape them. But then they're also formed by other

478
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 2: things and themselves and the way they are. But I think, like,

479
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: of what I think that I can point to and say, yeah,

480
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Speaker 2: I really did do that was just the home that

481
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,239
Speaker 2: we created. It's just it's not a it's not a

482
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Speaker 2: stressful place to be or an anxious place to be.

483
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Speaker 2: It's an enriching place to be. And you can see

484
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Speaker 2: it sort of born out in our kids, and it's Yeah,

485
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 2: so we're not that we've done everything perfectly, but I

486
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Speaker 2: would say, looking back.

487
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Speaker 1: Nobody does everything perfectly, you know. Yeah, So how do

488
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Speaker 1: you set up that home that way. What is the like,

489
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Speaker 1: what advice would you give to others who are maybe

490
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Speaker 1: just starting to parent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would say consistency and like not not

492
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Speaker 2: allowing your own concerns and stress and anxiety bes to

493
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: be born by your children where you're like, okay, well

494
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 2: everybody would love that. Easier said than done, I think, right,

495
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 2: but I think being really intentional about that. So we

496
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,959
Speaker 2: are very low tech in our home. Kids don't have iPads,

497
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Speaker 2: they don't have smartphones, even our teenagers don't have smartphones.

498
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Speaker 2: And I think that was really something. It's not like

499
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 2: I had this sort of developed thinking about it. I

500
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: think it was just during you know, it's just they

501
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: were They're so good at play and we read and

502
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 2: talk so much here that we just my husband like

503
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Speaker 2: it was during COVID when everybody really started doing and

504
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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, we're not We're not going to

505
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Speaker 2: do that impressive.

506
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we're pretty low tech, but everybody still

507
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Speaker 1: has device. Like it's amazing to actually keep them off

508
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Speaker 1: the devices completely.

509
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Speaker 2: And I think it's it's harder once they have it

510
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 2: to go back and so just not doing it. Yeah,

511
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: and we're part of a community of other families who

512
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: are doing the same thing, which makes it easier. But

513
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: that's a big one. And then like if my when

514
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: my husband and I have arguments or disagreements to really

515
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: not you're still going to live life in front of

516
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 2: your kids, but to understand that you know, like you

517
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 2: and your husband have to deal with that and not

518
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: allow your children to feel that. And then the other

519
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 2: big practical thing I would say is like when my

520
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: husband and I have like resolved a argument or disagreement,

521
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Speaker 2: we do bring the kids in and like let them

522
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Speaker 2: see us right and reckon. That has just been like

523
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Speaker 2: I think that just gives kids so much stability.

524
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Speaker 1: It's just right that arguing is normal and making up

525
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: it should be the result, and it's everything and not

526
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Speaker 1: always agree. I feel like that's a big one that

527
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Speaker 1: should possibly be spread to other kids right now. It's

528
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: okay to not agree with other people. Don't do anything

529
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Speaker 1: about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then the other and with that too, like

531
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Speaker 2: apologize to our kids so just like they not. It's

532
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: like I'm not over here walking around like I've done

533
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: everything right. If I've done something, if I was too

534
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: short with you or something, I'm going to apologize to

535
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: you and ask for your forgiveness. We just make that

536
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: a regular part of our home life. And and I

537
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: think that there's that's so good too, because like otherwise,

538
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: there's bitterness and you start thinking your parents are hypocrites

539
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: and you know, so.

540
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Speaker 1: We don't apologize that often, but yes.

541
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Speaker 2: Right, I do think it's so good though, for kids

542
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: to see their parents model that. Yeah, especially in our

543
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: public discourse. Now, a big problem is everybody is just

544
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: so right, just adamant in everything they think, and it's

545
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: it leaves just no room for some humility in disagreement

546
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 2: or public discourse. You know.

547
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, We're going to take a quick break and

548
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: be right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. So you

549
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time, I'm at your job kind

550
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: of looking at the future and thinking about where things

551
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: are going to go and hopefully guiding them towards a

552
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: more positive future. Can you give us a five years

553
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: out prediction? And it could be about the country, about

554
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: the world, really anything.

555
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: So I think I'll take the question and look at

556
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: from the nation and then sort of the world. I

557
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: think that we are. I think that the country needs

558
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: to do some correcting from the excesses of the left,

559
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: the treating these far left wing groups that are really

560
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: anarchist and Marxist, some of them funded by foreign adversaries. Yeah,

561
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: we really haven't dealt with that, and we saw a

562
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: lot of these riots, you know, during COVID and the

563
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: BLM riots, and I think the Trump administration has to

564
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: is sort of in the beginning of dealing with that,

565
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: especially in the wake of the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

566
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Speaker 2: I don't know what that means or what that's going

567
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: to look like, but we have to get to a

568
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: common sort of consensus about what we are as a people,

569
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Speaker 2: regardless of our differences sort of on other other kinds

570
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: of things. And I think that there's still just people

571
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: who are living among us who really have an incompatible

572
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: view of the of the you know, what we're doing

573
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: here and what America is. And so I think it's

574
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: going to be bumpy. I think we're going to face

575
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: some pretty serious turbulence domestically for a couple of years

576
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: at least, and then in foreign policy. My hope is

577
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: that the United States is able to get back to

578
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: a place where we are working constructively with our allies,

579
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Speaker 2: you know, and it's it's been bumpy there too during

580
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: the Trump administration with these tariffs. But I think collectively,

581
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: with our economies and our militaries, we need to be

582
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: able to deter again sort of this developing axis that

583
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: I see with the Chinese, the Russians, North Koreans, and

584
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: the Iranians. And I worry that. I just worry that.

585
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: Look that there's these groups sort of Americans who just

586
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: they're so so overtaken with the problems here at home

587
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: that they don't want, you know, the age in foreign policy.

588
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: But my hope is we get that, we do get

589
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: that sorted out, because we need, you know, we got

590
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: to do harry.

591
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: Policy happens whether we engage in it or not, and

592
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: so it's probably best to have a direction and to

593
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: head towards that direction instead of just floating along and

594
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: letting whatever happen to us, which is, you know, I

595
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: think a scary outcome of not talking about foreign policy.

596
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Speaker 1: And I know exactly what you mean. I think that

597
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure, you know, to be like

598
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: America first, for example, on the right, Well, if you're

599
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: America first, you have to think about America's standing in

600
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Speaker 1: the world. I you know, the show is generally not political,

601
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: but I think your perspective is very interesting, and I

602
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: think what you do is very interesting. Yeah.

603
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: Well, and I also just think that, you know, I

604
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time just the other thing I

605
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: was going to say for your show to thinking. Another

606
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: great thing that I do that I think makes my

607
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: work better too, is we host a lot. Just being

608
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: hospitable and just not even it has to be like

609
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: I grew up, was like if we were going to host,

610
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: you know, my mom spent like two days cleaning and

611
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: doing a deep clean, and but I just mean, like,

612
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: don't even do that, like basically just right, get very

613
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: used to having people in your home to say, stop over,

614
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: if you all went to a kid's game, come to

615
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: our house for pizza and so to afterwards, and talk

616
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: to people and like really just enjoy them, be amused

617
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 2: by them, enjoy them, and don't try to sort of

618
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: make everything about sort of which camp everybody is in,

619
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: sort of politically. And that has helped me so much,

620
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: and even just understanding what what everyday Americans are thinking

621
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Speaker 2: about and just what makes people tick.

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Speaker 1: It's not hard for you doing what you do, and

623
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Speaker 1: you know, having that be.

624
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Speaker 2: Public so that is a good I sometimes so, like

625
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes and I try to keep. I try

626
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: to keep. The reason you didn't even know that I

627
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: had five kids is because I don't talk a lot

628
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: about my personal life in public for my work, in

629
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: part because it's just so scary out there, and I

630
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: want to keep you know, a lot of you know,

631
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: I want my children to have a safe and secure

632
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: in private life. But but.

633
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: I do.

634
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: And then some The other part that's kind of hard

635
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: about it is sometimes I do get these I'll get

636
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: briefings about what's going on in the world. I'm like, oh,

637
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: my goodness, it's like a miracle. I mean, I don't

638
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: even know how right. I don't know how people don't

639
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: believe in God if they knew how bad things work,

640
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: how it's not even as bad as it could be.

641
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: It's like it's amazing. It's like miraculous. So it can

642
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: be hard sometimes, Like I've had times where I've had

643
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: like a really serious threat briefing and my husband's picked

644
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: me up and I'm like, I just need a few

645
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: hours to just kind of decompress and comparisonalize, to kind

646
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: of get back, you know, And like I said, a

647
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: lot of people. A lot of my friendships. People don't

648
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: want to talk about foreign policy. People don't want to.

649
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: Talk Yeah, but just having a polittle job it doesn't

650
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: affect your friendships. It doesn't. You don't have the people

651
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: who are like, I can't be friends with you because

652
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: you're oh, you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. I had a little bit

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Speaker 2: of that. I had a little bit of that during COVID,

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Speaker 2: Like during when everybody was online, same girl, same that

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Speaker 2: I think was like, wow, I had people who were

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Speaker 2: really upset with me for things that I was posting online.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think. I'm sure it does.

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Speaker 2: There's things I don't know. There's probably relationships I could

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Speaker 2: have that would be stronger or better, but that are

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Speaker 2: sort of in him because people see. But then I

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Speaker 2: have lots of other friends, some very public friends who

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Speaker 2: we disagree on all kinds of things and we still,

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Speaker 2: you know, get along great. So yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 2: would think, yes, it does affect. I'm sure. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: that my relationships have been affected, but it's also been

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Speaker 2: really really good. I mean, it's funny. I'll get like

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Speaker 2: a text message from somebody who was like, oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: My mom from Illinois just told me to turn on

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Speaker 2: Fox because she saw you on Fox, and it's like

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Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, and it's somebody I don't normally

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Speaker 2: agree with on politics or something too, So it's a

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Speaker 2: mixed bag love that.

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Speaker 1: I've loved this conversation. I've loved getting to know you

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Speaker 1: a little bit more. Got some newsflash that you have

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Speaker 1: five kids. Leave us here with your best tip for

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Speaker 1: my listeners on how they can improve their lives.

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Speaker 2: So I think I would just get back to just

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Speaker 2: open your home, like really just open your home and

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Speaker 2: don't worry so much about, you know, putting on a

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Speaker 2: show for hosting. I mean, really truly say yes to

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Speaker 2: those invitations when people ask you to come over, even

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Speaker 2: if it's not somebody that you think that you like

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Speaker 2: a whole lot. I'm not naturally actually extroverted, like I'm

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Speaker 2: not shy, but I think my natural inclination would be

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Speaker 2: to just I love to read, to sit on the

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Speaker 2: couch with my husband at night and read. But I

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Speaker 2: have just my whole lif it's just been so enriched

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Speaker 2: when I just sort of made the intentional sort of

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Speaker 2: mental switch over to say yes to getting together more

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Speaker 2: with people and opening my home to others, And of

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Speaker 2: course I think the corollary to that is, you know,

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Speaker 2: the more you can get off technology and have more

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Speaker 2: of your inner your relationships in person than online is

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Speaker 2: the way to go.

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Speaker 1: I love that a lot of people write into the

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Speaker 1: show and ask how they can make friends. I think

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Speaker 1: opening your home is a really underrated one. Invite people over,

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Speaker 1: host them, take up people on their invitations. That's how

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Speaker 1: you do it. Thank you so much, Rebecca. She is

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Heinrix. Check her out at the Hudsonsitude. She also

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Speaker 1: has a really excellent X page. Check out her profile

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Speaker 1: on X. Rebecca Heinrix, thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you, it's really fun