1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: The Michael Verie Show is on the air. 3 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 3: I don't want to be one of those people, but 4 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: often I fall into the trap of it where I 5 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 3: invite an author on to talk about a book which 6 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 3: is their project, their work, and you work on a 7 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: book for so long, and then you birth it out 8 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 3: into the world, and you want it to be taken, 9 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 3: you want it to spread, and you want to share it. 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: And especially a book on faith, a book on Christianity, 11 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: a book on the threat to America, this one in particular, 12 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: Pagan Threat Confronting America's Godless Uprising by Pastor Lucas Miles 13 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: of tp US A the forward by Charlie Hurt. But 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 3: in so doing, sometimes if that person has an interesting 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: background or everything that's going on with TPUSA, it's easy 16 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 3: to get distracted. I am fascinated by what's in this book. 17 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 3: So let's talk about that. Pastor Lucas Miles. Pagan Threat. 18 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: Why do you use the word pagan threat as opposed 19 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 3: to there are some alternatives that come to mind. 20 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about that if you would. 21 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, first off, thanks for having me on and 22 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: giving me this opportunity to talk about it and also 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: to talk about Charlie. Both things are important at once. 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's an honor view with you 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: when you when you look at where we're at as 26 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: a society. This word pagan doesn't get used very much anymore, 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: sort of an old esoteric word. 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 4: You know. 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: You might think of Zeus or Odin or you know 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: the Greek, you know, pantheon of gods, and to some 31 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: agree that is what I'm writing about, but I think 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: it's more than that, So I'm using pagan. It's sort 33 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: of a broad blanket term. And one of the reasons 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to nod to that word as a as 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: a general descriptor of this post Christian you know, revival 36 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: that's taking place, is that this is very similar to 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: what the early Church went through in Pagan Rome as 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: the Gospel was first taking route. There's not been a 39 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: time in history since the days in Rome where Christianity 40 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: has been vilified to the extent that it is today in. 41 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 4: Our current society. 42 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: Back in early Rome, in the first several centuries, we 43 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: had people like Justin Martyr to stand up to give 44 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: an offense of the Christian faith because there were accusations 45 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: the Church was facing that, you know, that Christians were 46 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: cannibalistic because they consumed the body and blood of Jesus, 47 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: or that they were ancestual because they would call their 48 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: spouses their brother or sister in Christ. They were, you know, 49 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: referred to as being bad for the economy because so 50 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: many of those who were in the business of making 51 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: idols and making you know, peddling sacrifices that could be 52 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: given at various pagan temples, we're going out of business 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: because so many people were coming to Jesus, and so 54 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: it was the Christians fault. 55 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 4: The economy was failing. So Christians were vilified. 56 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: Now, even if you go back thirty years, you know, 57 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: in our history, Christians weren't referred to in that way. 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: They were referred to as holier than now goody two shoes, 59 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: maybe self righteous, but they weren't referred to as being bigoted, 60 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: they weren't referred to as being racist, they weren't referred to, 61 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, in these terms of being you know, misogynistic. 62 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: But now Christians, all of a sudden, the vernacular has 63 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: changed and Christians are being vilified in ways in which 64 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: we've not seen since early Rome. 65 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 4: This is this post Christian. 66 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: Pagan world that we are now in where we have 67 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: to once again develop a new apology for the Gospel. 68 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: And by apology, I'm using that in the Greek sense 69 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: of the word, not an apology like I'm sorry, but 70 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: a defense, a robust defense and polemic for the faith, 71 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: that we can demonstrate the necessity for the Christian Gospel 72 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: and the you know, the validity of the Christian Gospel, 73 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: and the historicity of the Christian Gospel in this area 74 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: and age of skepticism and doubt. You know that I 75 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: think we are facing and especially this post COVID generation. 76 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: Pastor Lucas Miles TPUSA Pagan threat confronting America's godless uprising. 77 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: You mentioned a moment ago about the church partnerships. I 78 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 3: forget the exact language you use. How does a church 79 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 3: that's interested get involved, What are the resources? What does 80 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: that look like? I think there's gonna be a lot 81 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: of people very interested in that. 82 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, So we. 83 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: Have a website tpusafaith dot com where you can go 84 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: to find out more. We've recently launched a map locator, 85 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: so if somebody's listening who's not a pastor, but they 86 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: were looking for a church. 87 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 4: Near them, they can go to our map. We are opting. 88 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: All of our churches have to opt into this, so 89 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: it's a kind of a slow process of getting all 90 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: eight thousand churches on the map. We're up to about 91 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: five hundred or so right now. We just rolled this 92 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: out a few days ago, and so that numbers me 93 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: grow very rapidly as our team processes through the information. 94 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: But that map will continue to be present and where 95 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: you can go and check your zip code and look 96 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: around the United States to see if there any churches 97 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: near you that are working with Turning Point. So there's 98 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: no cost. Everything we do for the church is free 99 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: of charge. We offer free courses and curriculum. We just 100 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: finished a course called First Truths that's become our most 101 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: viewed at course that we've ever launched, which is myself 102 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: and doctor Jeff Myers from Summit Ministries talking true kind 103 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: of really the primary Christian doctrines, things we might see 104 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: and say, the apostles creed that help us understand and 105 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: define what is Christian and what is not and how 106 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: do these primary Christian beliefs help us think about sort 107 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: of the cultural hot button topics around us. So for instance, 108 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: when you know that God is creator, that helps you 109 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: to be able to have a biblical view of marriage, sexuality, 110 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: as well as the sanctity of life, because we see 111 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: Him as the origin, you know, for those things, and 112 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: he's the one who's defined them. 113 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 4: As the genesis of them. 114 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: And so you know, this helps us as we pross 115 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: through these primary doctrines. We also have regional managers across 116 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: the country, so if churches are looking to connect with us, 117 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: they can reach out through our website, fill out an 118 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: interest form, one of our team will get a hold 119 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: of them. Uh, we'll come out, we'll meet with you, 120 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: we'll talk about all the resources we have available, again 121 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: free of charge. We're not pushing churches to you know, 122 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: we're driven by you know, our generous donors that are 123 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: really allowing this program to be available for the church. 124 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: And so we try not to put any sort of 125 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: burden on the pastors themselves or the church themselves as 126 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: they as they navigate through this. And we're just asking 127 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: in response that churches would commit to standing with us 128 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: and uniting around primary doctrine and to resist vocism in 129 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: their American and their local pulpit. We want to see 130 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: wocism eradicated from the American Church. 131 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 4: Uh. 132 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: That's that's one of you know, several goals that we have. 133 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: T p U s A States dot Com is the website. 134 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: T p U s A Face dot com. Pastor Lucas 135 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: Miles is our guest. The book is Hagen Threat. When 136 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: you talk about wocism in the church, I have long 137 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 3: lamented that the invasion by the left, the incredible success 138 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: they have had is that rather than compete with the 139 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: church the educational institution, they have instead infiltrated and destroyed 140 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: them from within. And that's far more powerful in this 141 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: trojan horse sort of way. What are signs to someone 142 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: who says, you know, gone to this church, I grew 143 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: up in this church, but I'm feeling uncomfortable. What are 144 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: some signs of a woke church that you see as 145 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: red flags? 146 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 4: Yeah? 147 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: First off, I think it's important to remember that Satan's 148 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: not a builder. You know, God is a builder, and 149 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: so Satan is only a hijacker. He's coming in to 150 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: try to steel, kill and destroy, and he's only doing 151 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: that and things that are you know, existing. He's not 152 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: going to create his own thing. He's going to try 153 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: to infiltrate the existing frameworks and organizations, and you know, 154 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: entities including the church, to use that as a vehicle 155 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: for destruction and some capacity. And so if you're looking 156 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: for kind of like asking a question, is as my 157 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: church woke or not? First off, it should be obvious 158 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: by now, after COVID, after George Floyd, after the rise 159 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: of BLM, after you know, UH doctrines and doctrination in schools, 160 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: and after the martyred on with Charlie Kirk, if you 161 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: couldn't see where your pastor stands and they had a 162 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: renounding silence over all of these issues, you know, even 163 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: the overturning of Row. 164 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 4: If you didn't have a standing ovation. 165 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: At your church, if they didn't address it, if they 166 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: didn't make mention. 167 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: Of him, you got the Michael Berrys Show. Pastor Lucas 168 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: Moles is our guest. 169 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: TPUSA faith dot com is their website. He is with 170 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: the faith wing of the Turning Point USA organization. The 171 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: forward to the book written by Charlie Kirk, and there's 172 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: a line I want to quote because I want to 173 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: ask you about it. Charlie Kirk writes, a fearless warrior 174 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: for Christ, Lucas is a man built to stand for 175 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: the truth in a time of great apostasy. Don't just 176 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: read pagan threat, internalize what it has to say, then 177 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 3: share its message with your Christian and friends before they 178 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: are seduced by paganism themselves. 179 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: We have a faith and a country to save. 180 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: He uses the line share its message with your Christian 181 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: friends before they are seduced by paganism themselves. I spoke 182 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: at Linked yesterday on the show about the seduction of 183 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 3: particularly young people, but many times poor people buy socialism 184 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 3: throughout history. That's why it takes hold. It's very seductive. 185 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 3: What do you see as the seductive powers of paganism 186 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 3: to a person feeling this temptation. 187 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it actually sort of a spiritual halfway house. 188 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: It gives you the ability to feel like you're still spark, 189 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: you're still part of some sort of religious framework while 190 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: having kind of this choose your own adventure, you know, 191 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: kind of create your own morals, create your own pathways. 192 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: On the other side of that without any sort of rigidity. 193 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: And so, you know, Christianity, it's not that it's it's 194 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: you know, Christ freed us from you know, he live fully, 195 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: perfectly the law in order to free us from you know, 196 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: the law of sin and death, and and you know, Christianity, 197 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: although we are in a relationship that is rooted in 198 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: God's grace and freedom and liberty in christ there's a 199 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: rigidity to. 200 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: It in that it is well defined. 201 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: It's a well defined moral structure that Paganism does not 202 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: share with it. And so, for instance, Christianity has very 203 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: clear boundaries about marriage, sexuality, about about things like. 204 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: You know, what is righteous, what is unrighteous. 205 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: About honesty and the truth, and how to treat one another. 206 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: Paganism doesn't have this, although Pagans might try to invent 207 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: some sort of code or process for that many have tried. 208 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: It has the flexibility. 209 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: Without these defining you know, without the defining text of 210 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: the Word of God, to sort of be whatever you 211 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: want it to be. You can create your own path, 212 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: and so you can be an LGBT, you know, a 213 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: witch who believes in you know, sho, and you can 214 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: kind of just pick and choose what you want to 215 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: create this hybrid, much like a you know, a buffet, 216 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: you know at a restaurant, to just get a little 217 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: bit of everything and just shape it in a way 218 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: that works for you. Christianity isn't like that. It requires 219 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: dying to yourself and you know, bowing, you know, your 220 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: need to the King of Kings and the Lord of lords, 221 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: submitting to him as lord over your life. He is 222 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: the arbiter of truth over our life, not ourselves. It's 223 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: not a self deification. So paganism is attractive because there 224 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: is this false sense of self empowerment, of really self 225 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: deification that I get to decide what gender I am, 226 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: I get to decide when does life start in the womb. 227 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 4: I get to decide who lives and who dies. 228 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: And these are sort of the values that we're seeing 229 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: especially in this not just only paganism, but in this 230 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: what I would call a critical paganism, Paganism plus Marxism 231 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: that is becoming kind of this dominant force, you know, 232 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: that is driving I think much of the younger generation forward. 233 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 3: It's interesting because I think you're right, that is a 234 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 3: philosophy that is that is being grabbed onto or whatever 235 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 3: want ideology. But I think there is also and TPUSA 236 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: has been a major part of this. 237 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: There is also a. 238 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 3: Revival, including among young folks. I spoke at at a 239 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 3: high school group recently that they were forming at Stratford 240 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 3: High School, which is which is here in Houston, and 241 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: and some some parents were trying to keep them from forming, 242 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: which really is just odd. It's a student organization. You 243 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: can have whatever you want. But I spoke there, and 244 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: I'm in a studio all day. I live more of 245 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 3: the rush Limball lifestyle. I'm sure you are out and about, 246 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: and I know Charlie was out and about every day. 247 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: I don't. 248 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 3: I don't get out and about the way I used to, 249 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: but I did for that and the energy I felt 250 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: from these young people, it was just I wanted to 251 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: bottle it. It was beautiful, it was wonderful, fresh faced 252 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: optimism and values. It was really just inspiring. And I 253 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: see now why Charlie did it. But I also see 254 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: rivaling what you were talking about the young people in 255 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 3: this paganism and socialism. I also see revival amongst young people, 256 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: a separate set of young people, and that's inspiring. That's 257 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: exciting to me. 258 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the two things can be true at once. 259 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: And certainly, you know nobody anticipated this, that the martyrdom 260 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk spark this Christian revival, that it's pushing 261 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: back against I think this attempt to bring America to 262 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: this post Christian place, and it's turning back the clock 263 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: on that a little bit. It's not that it's no 264 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: longer an issue. It's certainly still a threat. But we 265 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: have this, you know, this temporary right spot right now 266 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: that's creating a lot of you know, hope and opportunity. 267 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: And I think that you know, it's important to recognize 268 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: that we can't spark revival as humans, but only God 269 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: can do that, but we can steward it. And so 270 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: what we're trying to do is work with our churches 271 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: and pastors across you know, tpsa faith on really how 272 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: to steward you know, the moment that we're in so 273 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: we can see this be effective. There are lots of 274 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: hearts and minds to change. You know, we work with 275 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: about eight thousand churches, but there's over three hundred and 276 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: fifty to four hundred thousand churches. 277 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 4: In this nation. 278 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: So even though we have a large group of pastors 279 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: we work with, it's still only a fraction the pastors 280 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: in this country, and many of these pastors are still 281 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: pastors that either are afraid to work with us, they're 282 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: afraid to speak out on these topics or their pastors 283 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: that aren't. They've you know, rejected biblical ideas. They're now 284 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: flying you know, BLM and Pride flags above the cross, 285 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: and they have really become traitors, I think, to the faith, 286 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, in that sense. And so you know, there's 287 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: still a lot of work to do. I'm optimistic God 288 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: wins in the end. It doesn't mean the church in 289 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: America always thrives. We've seen the church in Europe where 290 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: it's faltered, and we have buildings that now act as 291 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: these you know, once meccas of you know, Christian spirituality 292 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: that are now becoming you know, in many times they're 293 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: being bought out by Muslims and becoming kind of new 294 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: meccas for the Islamic faith, you know, in these beautiful 295 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: old cathedrals that have been lying dormant for some time. 296 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: And so you know, this, this could be America's future 297 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: if we don't stand strong and and you know, continue 298 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: this this fight for the faith that defend it in 299 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: the face of these pagan ideologies. 300 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: I will close with a question for you, Pastor Lucas Miles, 301 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 3: and that is a very personal question. Is there an 302 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: aha moment you came to in your life that you 303 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: found that your ministry, your your walk, your marriage, your health, 304 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: that was something that changed. Maybe it was more sleep, 305 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: maybe it was more water, Maybe it was prayer in 306 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: the morning, maybe it was a walk. Is there some 307 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: aspect of your life personally that you would share that 308 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: may help someone else? 309 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say just you know, honestly, even going 310 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: back just more maybe more recently, the assassination and murder 311 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: and martyrdom with Charlie, I think was aha moment for 312 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people. And what it did for me, 313 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: among other things, was it reminded me that life is 314 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: a vapor. As much as we worry about our health 315 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: and our sleep, and you know, our nutrition, and those 316 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: are good things to think about, certainly, but as much 317 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: as we worry about those things, those are things that 318 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: are not going to lie last for eternity. What is 319 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: going to last for eternity is the impact that you 320 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: make on a person's heart with the Gospel. And it's 321 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: easy to get so focused on the things of this 322 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: world that we lose sight of what really matters and 323 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: what had lasting power. And I think that Charlie's a 324 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: reminder for us of a life well lived and a 325 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: life focused on what matters, and so it's just you know, 326 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: I said, I've said many times that I'm a different 327 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: person after September tenth. 328 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 4: I think a lot of us here at turning point 329 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 4: are and iron it. I want to just focus more 330 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 4: on really what it. 331 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: Means to die to myself and to live for Christ 332 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: and to do the work necessary today. Not to try 333 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: to earn salvation, we can never do that, but to 334 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: try to help others, you know, find their hope in Jesus. 335 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: W you're listening to Michael Berry show. 336 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: I know this is going to sound dorky to some folks, 337 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: and I'm okay with that, but to some folks that 338 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: will resonate. Sometimes I think to myself, there was a 339 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: moment in time, not so long ago, in the history 340 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 3: of mankind where that song did not exist. It didn't exist, 341 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: and it wasn't a fade of company that it was 342 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: going to exist. It didn't have to exist. A lot 343 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 3: of things had to happen for every song that you know, 344 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 3: Amazing Grace, the Star Spangled Banner, it doesn't it didn't 345 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 3: have to exist, but once it is brought into the world, 346 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 3: it is there. And now with recording technology, technology, It's 347 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 3: there really forever. It's there to be shared and enjoyed 348 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 3: and criticized and picked apart and covered and played live. 349 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful, beautiful thing when you think about it. 350 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: There was a moment where that song didn't exist, and 351 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 3: then there was a creative process. You know, George Martin 352 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 3: is in there and he's going I change this. How 353 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 3: about how about what about we bring the drums in early? 354 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 3: And if you're not a music person like Michael, could 355 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: you just move on. I say that because this is 356 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 3: true of everything. 357 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 2: There was. 358 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 3: There was a moment where lasagna didn't exist, and somebody 359 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 3: is messing around and there we go. There was a 360 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 3: moment when the margarita didn't exist, or when Pepperoni pizza 361 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 3: didn't exist, or when democracy as we know it today, 362 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 3: our version to the republic, didn't exist. And I say 363 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: that because the role of government in our economy to 364 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 3: stifle innovation. Ask anybody who owns a business how much 365 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 3: energy they spend just trying to keep the government from 366 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 3: shutting them down. They have to be like a naughty schoolboy, 367 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 3: hiding half of what they're doing to keep the government 368 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 3: from shutting them down. In one way or another. If 369 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 3: you've traveled to a third world country, you realize that 370 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 3: in many ways, the richest people in those countries don't 371 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 3: have what some of the poorest people in our country do. 372 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 3: Not plentifully. I don't know I plentifully, so I don't 373 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: know if you can make plentiful into an adverb, not amply, 374 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 3: not abundantly. You have to create an environment. Industry is 375 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 3: not our enemy. Industry creates things that, if we choose, 376 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 3: can bring us joy. Now, many of those are material things. 377 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 3: Some of those things are purely physical. Lasik surgery for us. 378 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 3: How many people's lives have been made immeasurably better from 379 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 3: what has now become a commonplace procedure. I get complaints 380 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 3: in Houston because my show sponsor his names doctor Jeff Witson, 381 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 3: because people procrastinate and they finally they're seventy five years 382 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: old and they find out that they got cataracts, and 383 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 3: they go, ah, Michael Berry told me about this guy, 384 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 3: this doctor friend of his, who can do this procedure 385 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 3: that's like Lasik for old people, and it will remove 386 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 3: your cataracts. Obviously it's a lens replacement, and it's so 387 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: calmon I mean, think about this, a lens replacement, something 388 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: so delicate as the lens on an eyeball, and all day, 389 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 3: every day, they. 390 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: Just toop tooptoop, choop, boomtoom. All right, you're done. 391 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 3: Wait what, friend of mine, he said, all right, want 392 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: you to sit here for a few minutes and make 393 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: sure you're all good, and they'll escort you out to 394 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 3: the waiting room and want you to wait there for 395 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: twenty minutes and you're good to go. And my buddy said, 396 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: wait what, Yeah, you're done. 397 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: That's it. 398 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was literally, I mean, it could have been 399 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 3: measured in seconds. And his life changed. No more glasses. 400 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: Now he has to wear God Kareem Abdul Jabbar goggles. 401 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 3: Because we play pickleball together and we like to hit 402 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 3: each other. That's part of it. And you're right, a 403 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 3: pickleball doesn't hurt that much. But you don't want to 404 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 3: be hitting the eye with it, you really don't. But 405 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: you think about these innovations, the food you like. We 406 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 3: take for granted. In fact, we live in such a 407 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 3: land of plenty that we criticize how much we have. 408 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: We criticize how much we have that we've become too materialistic. 409 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 3: You know who's not materialistic? Poor people in poor countries. 410 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 3: They don't get to be materialistic. They spend all their 411 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: hours just trying to subsist until they mercifully die and 412 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,719 Speaker 3: hopefully don't suffer too much in the process. There are 413 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 3: people around the world suffering. We have created an environment 414 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 3: that is now under attack. But we have created an environment. 415 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 3: We're smart people, innovative people, clever people, resourceful people create 416 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 3: things for our enjoyment. Yeah, you got to pay for it. 417 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: Sometimes it costs more than you can afford. 418 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: That's okay. 419 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 3: It doesn't harm you that someone else can afford it 420 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 3: and you can't. You don't need to be resentful of that, 421 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 3: because every time you feel that way, just remember this, 422 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 3: there's always somebody beneath you, on the pecking order who 423 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: you have certain things that they can't afford. The fact 424 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: that you own an automobile, the fact that you own 425 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 3: a house, the fact that you can even go on vacation, 426 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 3: well it's not a fancy vacation. At the fact that 427 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: you can. 428 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 2: Even do it. 429 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 3: There's all always somebody. As my mother used to the 430 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 3: old rodeo line, there ain't a horse that hadn't been Rode. 431 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 3: There ain't a cowboy that hadn't been throwed. 432 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 2: It's true. Kind of puts it all into perspective. 433 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 3: So the rock paper scissors, anybody can win, anybody can lose. 434 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 3: But we have to get back to the fundamentals of 435 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 3: appreciating all the wonderful things. And I say this because 436 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: we are at real risk of a retrograde future. We're 437 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: at real risk of heading backwards. You know, it's always 438 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 3: been the American dream that your children will quote unquote 439 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 3: do better than you. That means whatever it means to you, 440 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 3: have more things, make more money, be happier, whatever that is. 441 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 3: I don't believe we're at that point. And I think 442 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: part of that is we've removed a lot of the struggle. 443 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 3: Young people today don't work. My kids have been working 444 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 3: from an early age on projects we do. I have 445 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 3: a family of a business that I created for my 446 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 3: family where we do We do travel trips, and my 447 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 3: boys work in that business with me, and they've learned 448 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 3: the business. They study the p and ls, they understand 449 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 3: the finances. They ask questions like why, you know, why 450 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: do we do this? Well, that's an attractive portion of 451 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 3: the trip. It makes people want to join the trip. Well, 452 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 3: what if we cut down These are the kind of 453 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: questions kids should be asking from an early age, and 454 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 3: parents should be teaching. By the way, everybody's a teacher. 455 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: If you're not teaching your children, if you're not constantly 456 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: teaching your children, fix that today. Can your daughters and sons, ladies, 457 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: Can your daughters and sons cook every dish you can 458 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 3: put me? 459 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 2: If not, why not? 460 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 3: Who's ever going to teach them? From Levisians to librarians, 461 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 3: everyone listens Michael Arry Show, when mankind lived in caves 462 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 3: to get away from the elements, a rugged life, think 463 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 3: about it, and then began the process of finding, of 464 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 3: creating dwellings. To the point now we're so advanced that 465 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 3: we have all these materials we use that can be 466 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 3: bent or stacked or formed, all the conveniences. Those were 467 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: not created by government. They were created by individuals. And 468 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: they were not created, mind you, with a sense of 469 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 3: philanthropy or a sense of public service. I am reminded 470 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 3: by the great line of the second greatest written work 471 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 3: of the year seventeen seventy six, and that is The 472 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 3: Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith, when he said it 473 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 3: is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, 474 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 3: or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from 475 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 3: their regard to their own interest. Their regard to their 476 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 3: own interest. This is fundamental to everything we talk about 477 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 3: every day. It is fundamental to everything you watch on 478 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 3: Newsmax or Fox TV tonight, regard to their own interest. 479 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 3: When our government and our citizenry does not appreciate and 480 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 3: respect that people act in their own interest, when we 481 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 3: do not applaud that as natural to the carrying on 482 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 3: of life, to the functioning of our system, that's when 483 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 3: we fail because socialism seeks to undermine that. Socialism seeks 484 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 3: to tell you that everyone should have exactly the same 485 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 3: and what it ensures is that everyone will be equally poor. 486 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 3: That's what ends up happening. But the regard to our 487 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: own interest is what drives everything. If you drive a truck, 488 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 3: the thought of driving a little car is probably distasteful 489 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 3: to you. But what if we required that if you 490 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 3: drive a little car, is you like a small vehicle 491 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 3: you can zip around. 492 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: In and take up much space. 493 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 3: The thought of driving a big f two fifty or 494 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 3: a big Chevy Silverado, it doesn't sound very pleasant to you? 495 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 2: Does it? 496 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 3: There are lots of things like this, but it is 497 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 3: the respect for the individual choices of what is in 498 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 3: their best interest. And this is where I get frustrated 499 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 3: when people say, you ought not be able to smoke. 500 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 3: Why it's not good for you? Okay, how about we 501 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 3: make sure that everyone understand that it's not good for 502 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 3: you to smoke, and then we let them make a 503 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 3: decision if they're an adult. 504 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 2: No, no, my dad died of a lung cancer. 505 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 3: Okay, my mom died of als Should we not let people? 506 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 4: Wait? 507 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 2: What are we doing here? 508 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: Other people's parents died in a car wreck. Should we 509 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 3: now outlaw automobiles? This is stupid, This is stupid thinking. 510 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 3: But what has happened is we have not trained our 511 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: people on how to think, because the individual is the 512 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 3: government a collection of individuals. When we don't teach the 513 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: values and principles that underlie the bedrock the foundation of 514 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: our system, we end up with people making decisions and 515 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 3: supporting candidates and causes and sitting on juries without an 516 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 3: understanding of why we do what we do and what 517 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 3: makes our system work so well. Our system doesn't work well, 518 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 3: as some people think because we're over here and they're 519 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 3: over there. 520 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: Our system would work anywhere. That's just it. 521 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 3: A great offensive scheme is one that can work without 522 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 3: having the all star team, great fundamentals coached well, and 523 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: it works. Our system works. We have given that system 524 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: to the world to varying degrees of success, because in 525 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 3: many cultures around the world, they can adopt self going governance, 526 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 3: but they don't. You see this when the must when 527 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 3: the Muslim Brotherhood came into Egypt, when when the Egyptian 528 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 3: government was was ousted and you all of a sudden 529 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: had the Muslim Brotherhood. Because there is a failed American 530 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 3: foreign policy that believes that self governance everywhere is a 531 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 3: good thing. 532 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: I don't. 533 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 3: I don't because I believe that there are certain cultures 534 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: where self governance is going to lead to tyrannical governance 535 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 3: that is antithetical to our interests, and our foreign foreign 536 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 3: policy should be in our interests. I am America first, 537 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 3: in America only. I am not America first. And also 538 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 3: we will be beholden to Israel or Saudi policy, or 539 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 3: Ukrainian policy or anything else. I am America first and 540 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 3: America only. And to the extent that our relations with 541 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 3: other countries can aid our own prosperity and are consistent 542 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 3: with our fundamental principles, then yes we will make alliances, 543 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 3: but we will not fight their wars, and we will 544 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 3: not send aid. Good grief, What are we doing sending 545 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 3: aid to countries? What level of arrogance do we have? 546 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: Why are we taking your money, your neighbor's money and 547 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 3: sending it to somebody in another country. By the way, 548 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 3: they deduct a portion of what we're sending, and that's 549 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 3: why we're sending it. It's never about the end user. 550 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 3: It's about the people that can get paid in the meantime. 551 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 3: Once these industries come up. This is often true of 552 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 3: charities as well. But once you get these organizations and 553 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 3: departments of the State department, for instance, whose job it 554 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 3: is to administer these funds to foreign countries, well, now 555 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 3: they need more money because if we drive up the 556 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 3: funds and they don't have a job. 557 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: So in order for them to. 558 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 3: Have a job, they fight to keep the aid flowing, 559 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 3: the spigot wide open. And so now we have to 560 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 3: throw money at countries. And so then it gets down 561 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 3: to some of the ridiculous stuff. We start studying the 562 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 3: underside of the testicles, of a Rwandan man to encourage 563 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 3: homosexuality acceptance. You see some of these grants that we're 564 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 3: giving out, and you go, I'm not sure what's worse 565 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 3: that the money doesn't get to him but was asked for, 566 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: or that it does. Where How did we fall so 567 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 3: short that somebody thought that was a good thing to 568 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 3: vote for. 569 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 2: I'd be ashamed to even ask for that. Even Alice 570 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 2: has left for him vision. Thank you, and good night.