1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: Well, I love where we left off last on on Wednesday. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: I guess it wasn't last week, but you were talking 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: a lot about just embracing all the sides of you 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: and they're not being a part of you that you 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: don't accept anymore. And that really actually goes back to 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: what we very first started at saying in this podcast 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: when I told the listeners about the story where you said, um, no, 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: you shouldn't hate being a four And like, I do 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: get really in my head about all my big feelings, 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: and that's something that I'm really trying to stop the 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: narrative around, like the negative narrative, because a lot of 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: people are very uncomfortable with my big feelings and so 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: a message I've gotten most of my life is like, WHOA, 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: that's too much. But on the flip side, there's all 15 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: these really great benefits that you know, I'm very empathetic, 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: and so my friends come to me a lot for 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: a lot of these things, or um, I can sit 18 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: with someone when they're going through pain or loss and 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: let them be where they are. I don't have to 20 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: change them or talk them out of it. And so 21 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm starting to see the benefit. It's very uncomfortable to 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: lean into. But I'm trying, and you really helped me 23 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: in our conversation. So in your studies of the angiogram, 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: is that basically the same thing for all numbers, is 25 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: that we all have these parts of ourselves, yet maybe 26 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: some of them were not we're trying not to be 27 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: an acceptance of I would say that's definitely what you're 28 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: what you're looking at is when you think about these 29 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: parts or when you think about these patterns, Um, it's 30 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: not who you are, okay. You know, So a baby 31 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: comes into the world, it's completely receptive, like it's it's 32 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: it's completely unprotected, if you will. Even a baby comes 33 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: into a relatively healthy family, it's still going to bump 34 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: up against life and have to determine in its little 35 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: world what strategies it needs to pull together to survive, 36 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: to get what it needs, um, to not be hurt. 37 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: You know, those types of thing that that's what our 38 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: little identities do and type structure flavors how we do that. 39 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: And so you know when you were just talking about 40 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: being a four and and you're patterns with your big feelings, um, 41 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: you know, just in noticing that you can overattach yourself 42 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: to those feelings to the point of it's not I 43 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: feel sad. I am sad. I am just absolutely eaten 44 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: up with sadness and it is my identity. So just 45 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: that tiny little like, no, there's a part of me 46 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: that is sad about what's going on or about this instance, 47 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: but I'm still me over here and instead and four 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: somehow for friends, I mean, I get tickled my friend 49 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: Alan and he was like, he's a priest in the UK, 50 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: and he's like, just when you were talking to me, 51 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: I felt like I was. I started feeling your feelings 52 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: as if they were mine, and it's like and he's like, 53 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: I was like, stop, stop, stopp like, but that empathy 54 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: can become so it's so good and it's so true 55 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: that you then begin to identify and then you're like, well, 56 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: why wait, I'm here for you. I'm here to listen 57 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: and hold space for your feelings, not become your feelings. 58 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: And really I'm really trying to learn that one because 59 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,839 Speaker 1: it is overwhelming how much I pick up people's emotions. 60 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: And then you're right, I don't know what is mine 61 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: and what is theirs. So I'm operating in life like 62 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: when people are like whoa it's too much. I'm like, 63 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: well I'm fucking caring all you'll ship anyway, Like, try 64 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: getting in my head and my body for a second, 65 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: because I feel what you feel, what Chip feels, what 66 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: you know, what Mary feels, what everyone feels all the time. 67 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: So there is a lot going on there is. Yeah. 68 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: So it's me having to learn how to navigate what 69 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: is mine and saying I love that, saying it's a feeling, 70 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: not who I am, it is and and what you 71 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: And the other thing about what you just said is 72 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: that's every type in their own particular way, you know, 73 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 1: Like for me, I am and you know, each type 74 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: has their idealization ship like it's like the it's it's 75 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: the it's kind of like a good quality of the type. 76 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: But we basically set it up as like the idol, 77 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: the ideal like for an Aid, it is I'm strong, 78 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: and so it keeps everything in play, it keeps you you. 79 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: That's what kept a huge part of what kept me 80 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: closeted is like I can't lay this down or everybody 81 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: will fall apart, it will ruin everyone's life. It's all 82 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: on me. I am Atlas. I carry the world. Yeah, 83 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: and so you know, if it's a whether it's a four, 84 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: it's like I'm special, I'm different, I'm unique. You know. 85 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: Then then it keeps you from relating because you're trying 86 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: to still stay over here, be unique and different, you know, 87 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: And so it really can be like it was. I 88 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: was laughing when you were saying that about I feel 89 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: so and those feelings, and I'm thinking, you know, my 90 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: best friend went through a four four year long divorce 91 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: back I don't know, fifteen years ago, and I swear 92 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: to God, after it was over, I look like I 93 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: had aged ten years, and she looked like she was 94 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: ten years younger because you were carrying so much of 95 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: it exactly, which she she's a nine. She hates conflict, 96 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: so she would just compartmentalize and just kind of almost 97 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, disassociate from it, you know, even forget stuff 98 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: that was major stuff. Me. No, I remember it all 99 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: and I'm angry about it all still today. So I 100 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: really do a teaser. I'm like, oh my god, you 101 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: look like a million dollars and I'm you know, I 102 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: had two decades on me. You think that those the patterns, 103 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: this idea of who we think we are, it can 104 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: be so exhausting completely. Do you think that angiogram feeds 105 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: into that at all or do you think it helps 106 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: understand ourselves better? I think that in its proper use, 107 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: it absolutely frees you from that that kind of truly, 108 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: Like to use the example that we were talking about 109 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: with me coming out, yeah, it there was this reality 110 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: that I had to come face to face with that 111 00:06:55,440 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: self awareness cannot outpace self acceptance. Okay, So as a 112 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: for me, I'm just thinking, I'm just going to become 113 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: evolved self aware, you know, and I'm not going to 114 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: confront what is right in front of the elephant in 115 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: the room. I'm just I'm going to live like this. 116 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: So for me coming to the place of recognizing that 117 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: I hate being vulnerable and you talk about as a 118 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: then I was fifty. Is a fifty year old woman 119 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: in the South who's a mother and dadada all these things, 120 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: and I'm going to tell the world I'm gay Like 121 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: that is like opening my chest and raw and saying 122 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: take me down. And the last thing in this world 123 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: that an ape wants to do is be vulnerable. That 124 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: is why we want to be strong. We hate being 125 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: in a position where someone could hurt us, and so 126 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: when I was able to understand that being strong is 127 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: not who I am, and that my strength is really 128 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: in that vulnerability, that I'm able to make this courageous 129 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: decision and really hold it and be wide open to 130 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: whatever does come, almost with an innocence of I'm here 131 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: for it. And that's why I said before, it's a privilege. 132 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: I think, you know, Chip was talking about kids today 133 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: that are out and free. I think that kids even 134 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: in the South, Chip, a lot of them, Um, even 135 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: that came out in high school, and like I still 136 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: I feel like there's this underlying rumble that they feel 137 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: of being who they are in this culture, Like you 138 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 1: know that that it is so hard, but it is 139 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: still worlds away from what maybe you or I experienced. 140 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: And then I also have friends like the ones I 141 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: was talking about from Starbucks or other friends of mine 142 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: who came out in college or in the early twenties, 143 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: and they've some of them have never recovered from the 144 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: just massive rejection that they experienced, like they are still 145 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: trying to, I guess, dig out from underneath that. And 146 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: so for me to have done so much work on 147 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: so many different things and just age to be at 148 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: a place in life where you're like I have zero 149 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: fux to give, and not from a way of like 150 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm this angry person of like f you know, from 151 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: this place of like I love me, like I love 152 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: love me, like I'm good with who I am. I'm 153 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: good with me with God, whatever God is, like the universe, 154 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: like I am good? Do I live out of that 155 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: all the time? I know, but I am? And so 156 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: I I think understanding that about what was keeping me 157 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: in that narrative, that that's what the angiogram can do. 158 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: It can liberate you in the sense that that is 159 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: not who I am, this this essence, this heart that 160 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: is covered up with these patterns and these narratives that 161 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: we live out of. Does that make sense? It makes 162 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: total sense to me. And it actually kind of falls 163 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: into this question I was gonna ask you, Like you 164 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that when we're born, we come in just 165 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: wide open, and then we developed these survival skills. So 166 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: that's kind of where our inniogram number comes in. So 167 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: why does why though that sounds more like a learned 168 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: behavior than a wiring thing, and so I'm confused, like 169 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: why are you in eight and number four and we 170 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: think chips to seven like well, I think, why do 171 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: we pick those survival skills? Well, I think this. I 172 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: think the survival skills we pick is based on the 173 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: type that we are. Okay, so you think we are 174 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: born into this world okay, with a type structure and 175 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: then archetype you can call it type structure, you can 176 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: call it personality whatever. But yes, that, Um, that there 177 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: is the way I view the world. Um, even that 178 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: I was bad, that I was the black sheep, that 179 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: nobody had my back. I had to have my back. Um. 180 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to protect other people because I 181 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: don't want them to be you know, I want to 182 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: protect the underdogs. I don't want them to feel what 183 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: I have felt or you know, you can just kind 184 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: of go through all these things. I think what I love, 185 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: UM is looking back when I do see those patterns, Skelly, 186 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: and that curiosity about that pattern and really where that 187 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: pattern began, Um, and I do. And that's really where 188 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: more of the into tonal family systems type of work 189 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: comes from, is that you actually go you know, and 190 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: it's what you hear all the time now, you know, 191 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: is that we can heal our inner child. And there 192 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: was a time that I would have just been like, 193 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: oh my god, whatever, yeah, and now there's nothing I 194 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: believe more except I'm not. I don't think there's you know, 195 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: just a child. I think there are lots of little 196 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: children in there too, you know, at different ages and 197 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: different things and um. But I really do think going 198 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: inward and working with those parts instead of just talking 199 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: about the things that we struggle with, that is really 200 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: what I've think is is profounded and there's going to 201 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: be a massive shift I think in therapy moving forward 202 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: in the next fifty years instead of just talking about 203 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: the results of those narratives like this is how this 204 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: plays out of my life actually coming back to myself 205 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: going inside, which again to some people sounds who um, 206 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: but really going inside because we carry those things in 207 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: our body, in our body, and we've learned so much 208 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: about that and I don't know, I just I think 209 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: that when we can go in, when we can be compassionate, 210 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: bring that compassionate awareness, when we can be curious, and 211 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: it's that see it and not be it. And I 212 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: can see ten year old Georgia and who lost her 213 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: grandparents in a car accident, boom, they were gone. And 214 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, and I spent most of my adult life, 215 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: never ever ever dealing with the trauma of the what 216 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: what what happened to my world in that moment, and 217 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: how that ten year old created a story around it. 218 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it is life altering it really, and to 219 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: go back and really for me to step into that 220 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: world and tell that kid she didn't kill her grandparents 221 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: because I lived in a world where if you did good, 222 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: God blessed you, and if you did bad, then God 223 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: punished you. And there was no reason other than in 224 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: my little world that I had done something really bad, 225 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: and I did do bad things, even at ten Orange 226 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: to check to buy cigarettes when I was in How 227 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: to do that that? That's that's a question many people 228 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: have had. I don't know if that I definitely could 229 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: have had some tendencies towards says you. But no kidding. 230 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: I think that was a smart chip, you know. I 231 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: mean you know, I just traced it in pencil, went 232 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: over it in penn cast it at the elementary school, 233 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: and the bank called my mom and said, um, Jeanette, 234 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: I don't think Dean wrote this check. Oh my god, 235 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: that's hilarious about like a very eight move to me, though, 236 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: you figure it out whatever you need to do you 237 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: get the job done? Patti Pattie? Why And I wanted 238 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: to smoke cigarettes and so by GOLLI I made it happen. Wow, 239 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: well let's stab into I want to know. Yeah, exactly 240 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: I did. Somebody paid for it. So I love that 241 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: you you do put together the inner child with the angiogram, 242 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: because I like, you believe in all of that stuff. 243 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: And when people say to me, like, talk therapy, you 244 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: can only go so far, I'm like, well, who's your therapist? 245 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: Because like, what kind of work are you actually doing? 246 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: Because to me, it's like this ongoing process of really 247 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: digging deeper and really uncovering a deeper layer every time. 248 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: And if you're looking back not in a way of 249 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: like well yeah this happened, but blah blah blah, and 250 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: then not connecting the dots to why you make every 251 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: single decision in your adult life, because it really is 252 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: driven by those inner children or inner teenagers or whatever. 253 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: In my opinion, Um, then I don't know that you're 254 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: really you are kind of wasting your money and wasting 255 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: your time. I mean it can may be soothed, soothe 256 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: you for a minute, or help you feel better, but 257 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: like if you really want to make changes in your life. 258 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: I think it involves that, and so you use the 259 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: angiogram for a lot of that understanding. And I want 260 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: to give the listeners I know we've had. We have 261 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: another mutual friend, Katie gust guest of Sin who's been 262 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: on the podcast and she's kind of talked through the 263 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: basics of the angiogram. UM, So if you guys want 264 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: to go back and listen to that podcast with Katie, 265 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: she's also amazing and her and Georgia have different practices, 266 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: but they did train together, so I know you really 267 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: respect Katie as well. UM, But I want to talk 268 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: through the way that you divide up the angiogram because 269 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: that was very helpful to me and understanding some of 270 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: the people in my life and why we may butt heads. 271 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: I have a ton of EIDs in my life, which 272 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: is hilarious that we were so drawn into each other, um, 273 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: because they we usually are very very close, and then 274 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: we have an explosive like falling out, and I wonder 275 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: if it's because of these different triads. So can you 276 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: talk us through and maybe educate Chip? Educate Chip as 277 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: we said, Okay, I love that, I'm going to use 278 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: let me edge gate brother. Um. Basically, you know, we 279 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: have three main types of intelligence as human beings. You know, 280 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: we have headheart, and gut. Okay um, and so the 281 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: instagram actually falls into those three centers, is what we 282 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: call them. Okay. At the top of the center. At 283 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: the top of the instagram is eight nine and one. Okay, 284 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: And I do this because they're little poppy pieces. But 285 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: um so, I talk with my hands, um so up 286 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: there in the body center, and each center has an 287 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: emotion that it drives a lot of those patterns. It 288 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: also has the desire, like what that um, what they 289 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: are looking for? What it is they need they desire 290 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: for the body center, it's power and control. That's eight 291 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: nine and one, eight nine and one. That makes sense, 292 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: and it's about power and control. But what's so mind 293 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: blowing is how each of those types in that center, 294 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: because if you know eight nine and one, they're very different. 295 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: Oh it's like comical they're even in the same group 296 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: to me. But it also makes a lot of sense. 297 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense. So the major emotion 298 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: there is anger, and so with each of those types, 299 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: you they relate to anger differently, But it is all 300 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: about not controlling like being the one in control, but 301 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: not being controlled or controlling the environment or controlling like 302 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: how something's done. So with an eight for anger, like, 303 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, anger is great. I don't have a problem 304 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: angerly comfortable with anger. Absolutely yeah. I mean you know, 305 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: I've said it a million times. I could be it 306 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: as in retreat. I could be cool with a cucumber. 307 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: Somebody cuts me off and I am expletives are flying, 308 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, and I don't. It's not like it affects 309 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: me in a negative you know. I mean, it's just 310 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: like and when I talk about things that I really 311 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: care about, I get my voice gets louder, my tone 312 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: gets more impassioned, and it feels like I'm attacking you, 313 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: you know. So there's this real energy of the eight 314 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: is a big energy, and that anger is just like, well, 315 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm not mad at you. I'm just talking like I'm 316 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: just only know what's important to me. Um in an 317 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: eight does not want to be vulnerable. So bottom line, 318 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: don't don't you don't control me, and don't if I 319 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: see you are gonna hurt me, I'm gonna beat you 320 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: to the punch because I'm not going to I mean, 321 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: every eight I know it would tell you how many 322 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: times have I said, I can't believe I just said that. 323 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: I can't believe I just did that. But there is 324 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: such an urgency when we feel anxiety that we are 325 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: going to be hurt, that we just launch. Um what 326 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: what is it? Yeah, I said, it's that my mom 327 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: is an eight and she always says instead of like ready, aim, fire, 328 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: it's fire aim ready for an eight, like you fire 329 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: before and then you're like, oh, probably should have thought 330 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: about that, and then maybe you can get a little 331 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: ready after. But you're, like you said, you're just very 332 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: reactive to whatever the threat is and you just fire away. 333 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: A nine like we're in eight's okay with conflict and 334 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: nine hates conflict and nine wants to control their environ. 335 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: A nine wants there to be harmony, okay, And that 336 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: anger gets pushed down because it's like, well, I don't 337 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: want to make a fuss because I don't want to 338 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: rock the boat, I don't want to upset the apple cart. 339 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: I want harmony. I want to be connected to my people, 340 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: so sure, whatever y'all want to do, okay. But then 341 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: that anger and it comes out in passive aggressive behavior, 342 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: It comes out in um stubborn, like I mean, just 343 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: digging in so hard and so um, and it can blow. 344 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: You can have I have friends her moms that are nine. 345 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. They will take so much and take 346 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: and take and take, you know, and then boil when 347 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: they blow. It scares me. You know. It is because 348 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: that anger is there, It really is there, but in 349 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: their type structure, it's something that they try to push aside. 350 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: Then you get over to one like the reformer, and 351 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: the one is doesn't do anger because anger is bad 352 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: and they only are going to do what's right and 353 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: what's good. So it is to push so far down. 354 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: They have a thing called reaction formation of even when 355 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: they feel angry, it's almost like they do the opposite, 356 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: like they're furious with you and they're like, hey, I 357 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: miss you. You know. It's like there's this like weird 358 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: like transformation that they go through because they cannot be angry, 359 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: but it comes out in irritability like disdain, like you know, 360 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: just this total like this disgust almost discuss thank you. 361 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's just I can't because it's not right, 362 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: you are not doing it right, and they cannot not 363 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: tell you. It's really it's a really really hard thing. 364 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: And so you've got one type that moves forward, one 365 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: type that's kind of you know, in the middle, almost ambivalent, 366 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: and then one type that pulls way back like like 367 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: they're they're up in their head with their internal critic, 368 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: but they would never explode on you. So that's a 369 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: body center, okay. Then you go to two, three and four, 370 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: and that's the heart center okay. And the body center 371 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: when I say body gut instinct like it's that is 372 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: where the intelligence is. Then you come down there into 373 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: the heart center. And underneath the heart center, some people 374 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: call it shame or sadness, um, but there's a real 375 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: it's about identity and worth. It's about value and worth 376 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: who I am. And again you have these three very 377 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: different types, but that's what's underneath. That's where the motivation 378 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: lies is in that, and there's this sadness that I 379 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: have lost touch with who I am. The two moves forward. 380 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,239 Speaker 1: They're over here doing and helping and being, you know, 381 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: and showing up and sacrificing because they want to be 382 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: seen as helpful. You know. The heart centers see me, 383 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: see me like I need to be seen. And the 384 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: two's identity so that they don't feel sad and worthless 385 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: and unlovable. Is they help M to spend so much 386 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: time in other people's heads? I wonder, I wonder, I think, 387 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, I wonder why I said that. 388 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: I wonder, you know? And two might be the one 389 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 1: who you know you they think you're upset with them, 390 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: and they text you and you don't respond, and they 391 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: text again, and they text fifteen times, and then they 392 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: get panicky and then they leave their office and dropped 393 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: your house and say, I just wanted to clear this up. 394 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a real panicky feeling that's related to 395 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: their value, to their worth and who they are, their 396 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: sense itself. If I have a two in our life 397 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: that I swear she knows what I need before I 398 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: even know, Like she's like, she like brings me food 399 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh I am hungry, thank you. Truly, 400 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: it is the gift of a two. Yeah, and a 401 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: healthy two can do that without having an underlying expectation 402 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: that you will see her needs and meet them. Oh wow, okay, 403 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: because because I could never meet needs the way that 404 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: she like, I'm not wired that way. Do you know 405 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: what I mean? I could meet needs in a different way. 406 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: But that's an interesting thing that they're chasing that, especially 407 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: from a non too, because most non two's cannot give 408 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: the way that a two can give, and a too 409 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: they live in this really self deception that they have 410 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: no needs. Oh yeah, I have no needs, but I 411 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: see your needs. And oftentimes it really can't happen to 412 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: where they actually will do for you what they need 413 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: somebody to do for them. Oh interesting, yeah it is. 414 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: It can be a really interesting thing. And when they're 415 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: when they receive affirmation for doing that, so their identity 416 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: is secure. It's like a balloon. It's like whoa, this 417 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: is great and if they don't and it would be 418 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: that quick. I mean it is just it's brutal. Um. 419 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: So the three. Where's the three's identity, their value, their work. 420 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: It's being an achiever, it's achieving, it's success, it's how 421 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 1: I look, Um, it is being But a three can 422 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: walk in the room and read the room and know 423 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,239 Speaker 1: exactly who you need them to be and and they 424 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: become that because again they want to be seen as 425 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: successful and whatever group there with they can shape shift 426 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: and be that. Um, they also get shipped done. I 427 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: mean like threes are the worker bees, they are the achievers, 428 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: but they don't know who they are when they stop, 429 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: when three for a three to be still and actually 430 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: feel that instead of that perpetual motion. It's scary. It's 431 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 1: really scary. And so again different, a different way of 432 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: going about it, but the same underlying stuff. And then 433 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: you have the beloved four you're really trying to help 434 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: me love my number actually every again, and the four 435 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: where the two goes out and the threes just doing 436 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: the four goes in and so it's like I my 437 00:27:52,119 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: identity is and being different and being misunderstood, flawed and 438 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: and really true, really and truly a four has a 439 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: much more um or the strongest like propensity to see 440 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: themselves as flowed. Oh I mean is that not me? 441 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm so fucked up. I'll always be alone. 442 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: Like that is literally the biggest narrative in my head 443 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: at all times. Yeah, I know, I I dated afore 444 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: but that's okay, you know, because we know it's not true, 445 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: um do we though? As we do working on that Georgia, 446 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: And when the four really can relax that and and 447 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: be able to actually laugh at themselves and catch themselves 448 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: um and and remind themselves that ordinary is fine. Yeah, yeah, 449 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: but it is. It's that sense of disconnected from identity 450 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: and origin. And you and I talked about that that 451 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: night is for or has such an appreciation of that, 452 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: like it is truly like Russ Hudson would say that 453 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: we all have a suffering and each of the types, 454 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: and the suffering for the four is I'm cut off 455 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: from my identity, I'm cut off from origin, and there's 456 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: such this connection that I mean forest just no, like 457 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: they that's when they love beauty. They love to be 458 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: surrounded with beauty. But because they're living in that pattern, 459 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: they're hijacked by that part of I'm different. You know, 460 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: it has to be special. Nobody understands me, nobody, you know, 461 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: nobody could ever love me. You know, it is that 462 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: becomes their identity. So again it's going inward where the 463 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 1: two's going outward, but it's coming from that same place. 464 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: It's just a different strategy, a different mech is m 465 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: to get through life. Okay, okay. And then you have 466 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: the head center five, six, and seven. Again, I'm like, 467 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: these are all in the same group is head center. 468 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: And underneath the head center is fear. It's just fear. 469 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: And so each of these types does what it does 470 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: to feel safe and secure. It is about safety and security. 471 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: So power and control, value and worth, safety and security. 472 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: And so a five, just like a four, five goes inward. 473 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: They isolate. They do not want to be dependent on anybody. 474 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: They're incredibly self sufficient. They isolate. They fives think about 475 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: their feelings before they feel their feelings. I mean, it 476 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: is they're like analyzing it before they actually really cerebral 477 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: um and knowing them having the information they know is 478 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: what makes them feel safe and secure. And I mean 479 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: and it is um. They really can walk through life 480 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: feeling like life wants too much. People want too much 481 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: from me, so I need to pull back because people 482 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: suck the life out of you. I mean, I have 483 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: so many five friends, but then five clients that are like, 484 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: I want new friends, but I just cannot do that, 485 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: Like it's just too much, Like it's it's just too much. 486 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: It's too much, and it's like that's the narrative, that's 487 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: the story. It's just too much for me to do that. 488 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: It's too much for me to think about, you know, 489 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: being a parent. It's too much for me to think 490 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: about starting a new relationship. I'm just gonna wall off 491 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: over here and me my needs and be self sufficient, 492 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: and that's what makes them feel safe and secure. But 493 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: obviously they isolate to the point of losing that human connection, 494 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, and actually showing up with who they are 495 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: and bringing that to the people in their lives. Then 496 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: you have the six and the six is it's like 497 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: back and forth. It's like, who do I trust? I 498 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: don't trust myself. I don't trust you. What did you 499 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: really mean when you said that? What's underneath the worst 500 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: case scenario? You know? They're over checking and overthinking. So 501 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: each of them are going up into their heads five, 502 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: six and seven. Five does one thing? Six starts problem solving, 503 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: worst case scenario planning. It's like, what's going to happen? 504 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: Because they think if they can think through all the 505 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: things and they can avoid all the risks, then they'll 506 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: be safe. And it is brutal. It is brutal. Russ 507 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: Hudson caused this instead of anxiety, got angst that there's 508 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: this this dread that something's going to go bad. So 509 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm trying to avoid I'm trying to stay safe in 510 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: an un safe world. That makes so much sense. I've 511 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: worked with A six before and it's exhausting for me 512 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: because they're literally constantly scared and I'm like, whoa hyper vigilance. Yeah, 513 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: it's to the extreme though it's makes it. I'm like, 514 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: how do you actually get through your day? That sounds exhausting? 515 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: I feel sorry for six is sometimes well, and I 516 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: think that that's what that's the thing. And yet on 517 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: the other side of that, you know, A six when 518 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: they learn to trust themselves, when they learn to accept 519 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: there is no certainty, there is no you know, I 520 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: five learns it doesn't matter how much I know. You 521 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: know that there's this courageous ability to show up as 522 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: who they are. And six is are loyal as fuck. 523 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: They are great teachings. They absolutely when I'm in a crisis, 524 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: I want to six because they're just they're they're on it. Um. 525 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's how that ends, that's how that 526 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: fear manifest in them. And for a seven chip, if 527 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: this is your home base, um, A seven deals with 528 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: the fear by not dealing with the fear. I'm not 529 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: going to sit I'm not going to feel this fear. 530 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna feel any pain I'm just going to 531 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: go up into my head and move forward. What's next? 532 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: What am I planning? How much fun will this be? 533 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna do this trip and I'm gonna do that. 534 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: And it's the imagination. It is just I am up 535 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: here and I am not here with all this that, 536 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: I mean, this fear. Do you think that's true for you? Though? 537 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: I think I'm like, you know, I um, when I 538 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: when I do feel, I feel really deeply. But I 539 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 1: feel like I also am really capable of like sort 540 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: of skating through feelings, um, because I've done a really 541 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: good job of getting past them in my past. You know. 542 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: It's like sometimes I'm like, in my associate path, do 543 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: I not feel anything now? But that's just it, Like 544 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: it's very it's very scary to feel those feelings, and 545 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: so I'm just going to skip on past it and 546 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: go on to what's next, you know. I mean, they're 547 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: but they're brilliant idea people. They're brilliant visionaries. I mean, 548 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: like where they can go in their imaginations, we're all 549 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 1: better for it. And there's so much fun, that is true. 550 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: I mean, what if there are so much fun? I mean, 551 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: no doubt and it's just this um such an appreciation 552 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: for experiences and I mean from everything from food to 553 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: wind to track hole to people and so it's just this, 554 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: but it it can the whole reframing and making things positive, 555 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: you know, and not and and sevenths then kind of 556 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: like the Sixes project for sure. Sixes have that, UM 557 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: I feel anxiety here, so I'm gonna I don't like 558 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: it inside me, so I'm going to project it onto 559 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: something outside of me. Sevens can do that with blame. 560 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: This is I'm not happy and things aren't like I 561 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: want them to be, and this isn't fun. Like, well, 562 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: it's not my fault, you know, so and so it's 563 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 1: it's their fault. It's their fault. And so that taking 564 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: that responsibility for what is can be a challenge. It 565 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: can absolutely be a challenge. I'm so torn on your number. 566 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 1: I feel like I need to take a really good 567 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: fast so you need to do a typing in this 568 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: is okay. So this is what I was just about 569 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: to move to next. So Chip took a test. I 570 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: used to test as a to all the time, and 571 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: I was just not resonating with that. I did the 572 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: I nine Q, I eat whatever that one is and 573 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: that was when I finally got a four. And as 574 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: much as I didn't want to be a four, I 575 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: could not deny that that is in fact what I 576 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: really resonate with. So anyway, I think that tests are 577 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: kind of like sometimes true, like there's they're not I 578 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: don't know how accurate they actually are. And so I 579 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: want to talk about what you do and like what 580 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,240 Speaker 1: a session with your clients looks like, or what working 581 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: with someone looks like, because I know, like I want 582 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: Chip to go just so I know what he is. 583 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: I can understand him, you know a little bit more. 584 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: And then like we have a bunch of other friends 585 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: who we cannot figure out what they are. I know, 586 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: I know they were a couple of them were with 587 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 1: us that night. Yes, I well, what in the narrative tradition, 588 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: which is what Katie's trained in, I'm trained in. There 589 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: are a couple of other teachers and Nashville that are 590 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: trained and we listen to people. Okay, that you take 591 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: are I think that the going averages around sixty six accurate? Okay? 592 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: And so I don't think tests are bad if it's 593 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: a beginning place, if it's a starting point of being 594 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: curious because it's not about your behavior. It's about the 595 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: motive that we were just talking about. It's what's underneath 596 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: that that behavior that we're looking for. That that's how 597 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: you determine tight. And so when you're taking a test 598 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: about unconscious patterns, Kelly, I mean, it's all of us, 599 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, I think. I mean, it's like it gets 600 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: all murky, you know, is this hum or? Who I 601 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: want to be or who I think that I can be? 602 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: You know? And I think that, honestly that there are 603 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: certain types that have a harder time take the test, 604 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: you know. I mean I remember sitting with my aunt 605 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: once years and years and years ago, and she and 606 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: her look at me. She was like, am I indecisive? 607 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: I don't know, Am I indecisive? You know? Um? And 608 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, you just asked me if you're indecisive. There's 609 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: a there's something to be said for this, and so um, 610 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 1: there there is. When we sit and we ask people questions, 611 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: we call it a typing interview, and basically it's we 612 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: take what we know about all of the types, from 613 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: body language, from It's not about right answers or wrong answers. 614 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,760 Speaker 1: Were listening to your story, and we're listening to your narrative. 615 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: And at the end of it, we don't look at 616 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: you and go, oh, we'll chip your seven, but we 617 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: will look at you and say, this is what I heard. 618 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,439 Speaker 1: You know, this is what I heard, and they someone 619 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: I hear. I really think you should be so curious 620 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 1: about type six and type seven or type two and 621 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: type eight, or so you'll give more than one. Yes, 622 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 1: we generally give at least two and sometimes three. And 623 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: we may know or we may feel a really strong 624 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: especially with gut types. So I have to be really 625 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: careful of that. Bias is that I'm going there is 626 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: no way this person is not what but I don't 627 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 1: know that, And so instead I'll say, these are the 628 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: things you said that would have me put you down 629 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: here in the head center, you know, the when I 630 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: ask you to answer questions and you said I think 631 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: or I plan, or I you know, go, I'm all 632 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: in my head or my head spinning or my you know, 633 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: or you're over here, and you're like, I'm so sad 634 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: because you know, I just you know, I feel like 635 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: I just want to be connected to my people and 636 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm not connected, and it just makes me so sad 637 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: and then I just get anxious. So basically it's listening 638 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: to your story and then giving you a place to 639 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: begin to be curious. It will be like what Kelly said, generally, 640 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: most people when they actually find their type, are like 641 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: that that's the normal response, right, Yeah, that's that's what 642 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: I've read too. And you know, I feel like my 643 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: recollection of what I took the test is something that 644 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: I struggled with in the act of taking the test. 645 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: Is my response being what the actual answer is and 646 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: what I want the answer to be about myself, And 647 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: so it was like, I don't know. It's like I 648 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: would almost rather like sit with somebody and read the 649 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: question out loud and have them answer about me, because 650 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: that would probably be a more accurate, more accurate read 651 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: on who I am you ask asking someone who knows you. 652 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: You mean, well, but this is the thing, and because 653 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: people will do this, they're like can you come and like, 654 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you all you ask the questions and I'll 655 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: tell you what my husband would say, or I'll tell 656 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: you and I'm like, no, because even in our most 657 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: intimate relationships and even with ourselves, we have to look 658 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: at what motivates this behavior and it is so it's 659 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: such I mean, it is the most powerful thing. And 660 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: you can have somebody who's an eight. We have a 661 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: friend I won't name her Karen. Um, we'll tell people 662 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: what they are and I'm like slapping her hand and like, 663 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 1: do not do that because you know you Okay, So 664 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 1: this is a really strong person who makes things happen. 665 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: Oh well, then she's an eight And I'm like, well, no, 666 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, she could be a five, she could be 667 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: a two, she could be a three. Like what's driving that? Like, 668 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,760 Speaker 1: what's underneath that? That's really where the juice is. That's 669 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: that's where you come home. Well, And also, there's so 670 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,760 Speaker 1: much more to the angiogram than the number that you 671 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: get or whatever you want to say, because like the 672 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: reason I think I kept testing as a too is 673 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: because when I am um in a not healthy place 674 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: as a four, I can show up as a two, 675 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: and so like it makes so much sense because there's 676 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: also like parts of the other numbers that I really 677 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,320 Speaker 1: resonate with. There's wings, there's the sexual, the social though 678 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 1: whatever the other one is, and um, Katie and I 679 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: kind of dove into that in another one of the podcast, 680 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 1: but I can see now why it would be really 681 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: beneficial to sit with someone and even kind of go 682 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: through the therapy practices like you're talking about, like connecting 683 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: it back to your inner child and the driving forces 684 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 1: behind the things. Um, because there's just such is such 685 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: a bigger picture. It's not just like, oh, I'm a feeler, 686 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: so I'm a four, or oh I'm creative, so I'm 687 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: a four. Like No, Like I I've resonated with a 688 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: lot of what you were describing as an eight, and 689 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe it's because I've absorbed someone my mom's personality. 690 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, is there a reason I would 691 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: have so many aids in my life? Well, I mean 692 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: that that we could, you know, we could get that. 693 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is you just nailed it, Like 694 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: we have all nine types. Yes, okay, we have all 695 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: three instincts. And the only purpose, like the foundational reason 696 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: to to nail down our type is so that we 697 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,879 Speaker 1: can begin to catch ourselves in the act. Those are 698 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 1: going to be our primary patterns. It doesn't mean we 699 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: don't have patterns. You can have a self press two 700 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: that looks like it's it. I mean, I'm just others 701 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: once you start looking at all the different things it 702 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: is it's just not that simple. And and I'm not 703 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: saying that to make it more complicated. I'm saying that 704 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 1: there's so it's reflection of just the human psyche and 705 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: how brilliant and nuanced and layered it all is. And and 706 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: and so really and truly, if you're looking at the 707 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: angiogram for transformation, for self awareness to really not be 708 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,839 Speaker 1: hijacked constantly by the same patterns over and over and 709 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,240 Speaker 1: over again, then it is rich. It's been the rest 710 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: of your life with this one particular tool, and it's 711 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: different ways of helping you understand human, the human you 712 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,839 Speaker 1: know world. So I mean it is. That's why it's 713 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 1: frustrating to us when people get just hung up on 714 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: the knowledge of their type. You know, that makes so much, 715 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,280 Speaker 1: so much sense too, And when it comes to your relationships, 716 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,719 Speaker 1: because like Chip and Eyes, one of our very best 717 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: friends is a three and as a full where there's 718 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: some stuff with A three that I could personalize and 719 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: let hurt my feelings because they're so driven in achievement, right, 720 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,799 Speaker 1: But because I know it's her number, I'm like, oh, 721 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: this isn't about me at all, Like this isn't. She's 722 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 1: not even focused on that at Like she's not doing 723 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: it from the way that I would do it, And 724 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 1: so I can show up for her and be supportive 725 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: versus like take it all personally and get in a 726 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: fight or something. You know that that she would be 727 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 1: blindsided by because she's like what, I was not thinking 728 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: that at all. So it's just really interesting when you 729 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: really dive into it. I know you're in Nashville, but like, 730 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: do you do sessions online with people or anywhere if 731 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: they wanted to kind of dive deeper into this work. 732 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I've got clients all over the country, even 733 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,359 Speaker 1: the couple in the UK, but it's um yeah, So 734 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean that is the benefit I do prefer in person. 735 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: I love it, especially for a typing interview. But you know, 736 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: the pandemic did sharpen those skills too of doing it 737 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,279 Speaker 1: via zoom. But yeah, I mean it is It is 738 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 1: exactly what you just said when we really can be 739 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: in a space of whatever is happening, it's not about me, 740 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 1: It's not about me, and the part of me that's 741 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: reacting to it is the part I need to be 742 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 1: curious one hundred percent that I love that that's what 743 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 1: I need to be curious about. Guess what, that's the 744 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: only thing you can change. Of course, why am I 745 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 1: taking this so personal? What it? It's the story that 746 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,399 Speaker 1: I'm telling myself in my head that it means about me. 747 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: It's just fascinating and and it really for me. And 748 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: this is a huge part of other than wanting people 749 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: to be compassionate to themselves and to others, um really 750 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:56,239 Speaker 1: and truly being able. God, I am so old like it. 751 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: Just that thought just flew right out of my head 752 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:05,360 Speaker 1: and I was so excited. You just wait, you you wait, wait. Oh, 753 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: it happens to me already. I'm so screat Oh my gosh. 754 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,239 Speaker 1: See I stopped to do the caveat about compassion, and 755 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: I totally forgot when you were talking about why the angiogram. 756 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 1: I think because I was mentioning how much it's helped 757 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 1: me in relationship and understanding. There you got, we just 758 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: see a little, We just see a little. How coming 759 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,880 Speaker 1: back around the track now, is that there is so 760 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,800 Speaker 1: much that we do to ourselves that is unnecessary suffering 761 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: and and the energy, the emotional energy, the mental energy, 762 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 1: the physical like just heaviness that we carry that we 763 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:50,439 Speaker 1: create is because we think it's about us, Like it's that, 764 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: And I do believe that when you can be self aware, 765 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: which I think the Instagram is. It's not the only tool, 766 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 1: but it's an excellent tool for helping you do that. 767 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: There's real suffering in the world, and we're spending all 768 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,920 Speaker 1: of our energy, our whole hell of a lot of 769 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:14,200 Speaker 1: it on unnecessary suffering, right and instead of being present, 770 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 1: being grounded and being able to bring that core essence 771 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 1: of what we have two have an impact on the 772 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:27,399 Speaker 1: real world. Like that for me is all of it. 773 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: I love that. I know, well, if you guys are listening, 774 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: and like, I think it's very obvious that all three 775 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: of us really buy into this workship. I hope you're 776 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 1: texting Georgia after this to book your appointment. But if 777 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,759 Speaker 1: you guys are interested in working with Georgia and discovering 778 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: more about your type or the Instagram in general, where 779 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 1: would they find you, Georgia, Uh, they can find me 780 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: at My name is interesting, but it's j O. R. 781 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: J A. It's Georgia White dot com. Uh. The name 782 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 1: of my business is finding Coboco dot com. That's the 783 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: whole another story and um, but either of those if 784 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,399 Speaker 1: you put them in on Insta. I'm at Georgia White 785 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,439 Speaker 1: Coaching and um yeah yeah, amazing. Well, thank you so much. 786 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate you being so vulnerable and honest, especially I 787 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 1: know as an aid it's hard to be vulnerable and 788 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,360 Speaker 1: so like, you really gave our listeners your full story 789 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 1: and I love it. I love your journey. I love 790 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 1: you sharing that with people now, and I love how 791 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: it's giving you this whole, you know, new chapter of 792 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,839 Speaker 1: your life where you're just really helping people to to 793 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: accept themselves and find the new awares awareness is within them. 794 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: I think that's just so beautiful. Well, you guys are great. 795 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: I mean I loved it the first time you met, 796 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,880 Speaker 1: and I loved this. I mean it really it's my 797 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,279 Speaker 1: joy to talk about it, and I'm sure I'll have 798 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: vulnerability of you know, hangover soon. There's none of that 799 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: on the video podcast because we say way too much ship. 800 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,319 Speaker 1: So I am single. I should put that out. Yes, 801 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, you guys, hit Georgia up on Insta. Slide 802 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:13,440 Speaker 1: into those d m s. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 803 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,239 Speaker 1: We'll be talking to you soon. You guys, hit up 804 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,440 Speaker 1: Georgia I'll put all her info in the description of 805 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,840 Speaker 1: this podcast, and Georgia thanks again for being here, and 806 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: thank you guys for listening.