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Speaker 5: I think the counts under the Espionage Act that he

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Speaker 6: No, it is an extremely damning indictment. You know, there

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Crystal, I mean, breaks it down

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is attempting to make a political argument against

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Speaker 2: Yes, when you have the evidence in front of you,

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Speaker 3: I you know, made a mistake.

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Speaker 1: This is Andrew McCarthy, who you know was really adamantly

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Speaker 1: opposed to the investigations with regard to Russia Gate. He

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Speaker 1: wrote a book called Ball of Collusion, The Plot to

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Speaker 1: rig an election and destroy presidency. So this is not

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Speaker 1: some like liberal media figure, and he wrote, not bed

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. We've got some of

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Speaker 1: the details here. He says, it's and this is to

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Speaker 1: the point. So his headline is why Trump's witch hunt

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Speaker 1: cries ring hollow in face of DOJ indictment, And he

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Speaker 1: takes head on the argument that's being made of selective prosecution.

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Speaker 1: Hillary should have been indicted, therefore Trump should not be indicted.

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Speaker 3: And he says, it's not that Trump.

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Speaker 2: Is owed to pass.

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Speaker 1: Is that every official who's entrusted with the access to

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Speaker 1: the nation secrets and who then betrays that trust by

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Speaker 1: wilful law violations and cover ups should be prosecuted, every

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Speaker 1: single one, and none of them has any business to

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Speaker 1: your power. The lesson of the Hillary Clinton precedent is

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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden should be investigated and prosecuted. That's how

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Speaker 1: the scales of justice are even doubt.

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Speaker 3: The fix for a two tiered.

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Speaker 1: Justice system is not equal in justice under the law.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's well said. Now listen, I do

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Speaker 1: think there are some differences between this case and Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 1: especially in terms of the level of classification and the

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Speaker 1: clear documentation about the obstruction and the cover up and.

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Speaker 3: All of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: There are clear differences here too, between what we know

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Speaker 1: about Joe Biden and his retention of documents. Same thing

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Speaker 1: with Mike Pence. It appears based on what we know,

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Speaker 1: and this can always be proven otherwise that when they

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Speaker 1: found out they had documents they shouldn't have, they immediately cooperated.

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Speaker 1: And if Trump had done the same, I genuinely think

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Speaker 1: he would be fine. But because he, over months and

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Speaker 1: months and months, made it so difficult for them that

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Speaker 1: they had to actually execute a raid on Mara a Lago,

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Speaker 1: and that they still do not have confidence they even

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Speaker 1: have everything at this point, that's what forces the hand

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Speaker 1: and makes it so this prosecution is basically inevitable.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right, Crystal. Why don't we talk about

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Speaker 2: Trump's response?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we have a couple of responses at this

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Speaker 1: point from the former president, one that he had apparently

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Speaker 1: pre taped in anticipation of being indicted on these charges, like,

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Speaker 1: let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 8: We're a nation of decline, and yet they go after

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Speaker 8: a popular president, a president they got more votes than

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Speaker 8: any sitting president in the history of our country by far,

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Speaker 8: and did much better the second time in the election

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Speaker 8: than the first, and they go after him on a

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Speaker 8: Box's hoox, just like the Russia Russia Russia hooks and

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Speaker 8: all of the others. This has been going on for

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Speaker 8: seven years. They can't stop because it's election interference at

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Speaker 8: the highest level. There's never been anything like what's happened.

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Speaker 8: I'm an innocent man, I'm an innocent person. They had

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Speaker 8: the Muller Hooks, the Muller Report, and that came out

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Speaker 8: no collusion after two and a half years. That was

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Speaker 8: set up by Hillary Clinton Democrats. But this is what

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Speaker 8: they do. This is what they do so well. If

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Speaker 8: they would devote their energies to honesty and integrity, will

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Speaker 8: be a lot better for our country. They could do

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Speaker 8: a lot better. They could do a lot of great things.

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Speaker 8: Our country is going to hell, and they come after

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump, weaponizing the Justice Department, weaponizing the FBI. We

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Speaker 8: can't let this continue to go on because it's ripping

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Speaker 8: our country to shreds. We have such big problems and

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Speaker 8: this shouldn't be one of them.

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Speaker 1: It's a hoax, so reaching there for a very familiar playbook,

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Speaker 1: right like his allies. There's no attempt to actually refute

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Speaker 1: the evidence that's provided here. It's just this is yet

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Speaker 1: another hoax. This is yet another witch hunt. This is

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Speaker 1: coming from my political adversaries and enemies. So this was

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Speaker 1: the initial response. Again, it was like a pre taped video.

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Speaker 1: In front of that portrait, he gave another response. He

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Speaker 1: was immediately sort of out on the campaign trail speaking

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Speaker 1: to Republican audiences, and he reached for another part of

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Speaker 1: his playbook, which is to demonize the people who were involved,

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Speaker 1: their character personally. Here he is talking a little bit

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Speaker 1: about Special Counsel Jack Smith.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen, and.

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Speaker 9: His wife is even more of a Trump paid I

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Speaker 9: wish here a lot of luck, but he's he's a

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Speaker 9: bad Trump paiter and she's a Trump paid and you

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Speaker 9: shouldn't put people like that in. And you know, the

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Speaker 9: people looking at Biden, he's a very nice man. They

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Speaker 9: looked at Mike Pence, he had classified documents, no problem.

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Speaker 1: So it's the you know what about them, it's the

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Speaker 1: this is a witch hunt. It's the let me attack

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Speaker 1: the character of the people who are going after me,

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Speaker 1: and you know, none of the like direct response to

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Speaker 1: any of the evidence here, And let's be honest like

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Speaker 1: this with his core fans and it works. Oh and

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Speaker 1: not even just his core fans, the overwhelming majority of

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Speaker 1: the Republican base. I'm talking to like ninety percent. This

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Speaker 1: is going to be a successful argument.

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Speaker 2: We're going to break all this down for everyone. And

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Speaker 2: I think this is why I actually think that the

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Speaker 2: Mueller investigation, Russia Gate and all that did such damage

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Speaker 2: to the credibility the DOJ and also with the Hillary

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Speaker 2: Clinton investigation, all of that did so much damage to

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Speaker 2: the Republican base because they were like, look, we have

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Speaker 2: no trust in your institutional capability. People like us have

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Speaker 2: you know, made entire careers now actually looking through this

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Speaker 2: evidence trying to break it down for people to understand

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Speaker 2: why that was bad. So then you can't make people,

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Speaker 2: you know, you can't change their preconceived notions where we're like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this one it is different. But you know, if you're

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Speaker 2: a casual consumer out there and you already view this

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Speaker 2: as political, specifically the higher institution as political, then why

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Speaker 2: should you have any faith in their ability at all?

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Speaker 2: You know? And look, I mean also with the DJ,

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Speaker 2: why are we choosing someone whose wife did a documentary

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Speaker 2: on Michelle Obama that's definitely weird, Like she made the

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Speaker 2: become now listen, you know, is he unimpeachable. I have

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Speaker 2: no idea. You know, the way that people used to

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Speaker 2: talk about Mueller and oh, he's the greatest straight shooter

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Speaker 2: to ever live. I'm like, well, you know, it's like

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Speaker 2: I don't really think that is the case for anybody.

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Speaker 3: I want to hero worship of these guys I have on.

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Speaker 2: That's my thing. I don't know why we have to

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Speaker 2: sit here and be like, I'm going to be the

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Speaker 2: defender of Jack Smith's honor. If you were to tell

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Speaker 2: me dispassionately the guy's wife made a documentary about Michelle,

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Speaker 2: I'll be like, yeah, maybe choose somebody else, you know, like,

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Speaker 2: maybe you have somebody who didn't go that. Why are

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Speaker 2: you even giving them ammunition that does not though, you know,

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Speaker 2: change some of the facts within the indictment. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm eager. I want to hear a defense from the

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Speaker 2: President and from his team. I'm like, look, present it,

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Speaker 2: this is your day in court, Like you have here

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Speaker 2: a chance. But you know, unfortunately that's not what they've

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Speaker 2: been able to offer up so far. Politically, though, I

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Speaker 2: think this is smart. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen. Very first interview that he gave so far

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Speaker 2: on air, force one to Alex Eisenstadt over at Politico,

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Speaker 2: he just says, quote, I will never leave even if

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Speaker 2: we am convicted. Yeah, exactly, as if any of us

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Speaker 2: I would need to know that.

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Speaker 10: Quote.

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Speaker 2: Look, if I would have left, I would have left

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Speaker 2: prior to the original race in twenty sixteen. That was

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Speaker 2: a rough one in theory, that was not doable. But

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Speaker 2: he said that. The harsh criticisms at Jack Smith, he says,

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Speaker 2: these are quote thugs and degenerates who are after me.

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Speaker 2: He said he would not be convicted, did not anticipate

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Speaker 2: taking a plea deal, though he left open the possibility

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Speaker 2: of doing so, quote where they would pay me some damages.

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Speaker 2: In terms of whether he would have to pardon himself

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Speaker 2: should he win the presidency in twenty twenty four, he says, quote,

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Speaker 2: I do not think I will ever have to I

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Speaker 2: didn't do anything wrong. As far as his indictment and

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Speaker 2: all of that, he just says, nobody wants to be indicted.

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Speaker 2: I don't care that my poll numbers went up by

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Speaker 2: a lot. I think you do. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be indicted. I've never been indicted. I went through my

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Speaker 2: whole life. Now I get indicted every two months. Quote,

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Speaker 2: it's been political. That's another issue I think whenever comes

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Speaker 2: to the man. This is part of what we talked

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Speaker 2: about so much during the Alvin Bragg investigation. We were like,

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Speaker 2: this is the flimsiest, stupidest one in order to bring

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Speaker 2: against Trump when you literally had this one really hanging

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Speaker 2: over his head and many ways Alvin Bragg. You know,

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Speaker 2: I comes back to my previous point, Alan Bragg, Russia Gate, Muller, Hailary,

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Speaker 2: every single one of those investigations in the eyes of

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Speaker 2: the public, does make this look more capital p political,

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Speaker 2: maybe even than it is. But unfortunately for them, they're

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Speaker 2: going to have to live with that. You know, we

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Speaker 2: do live in a democracy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we.

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Speaker 1: Have two questions here, right there's the legal question in

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Speaker 1: which looks to be a pretty air tight case right now. Again,

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Speaker 1: we'll hear what they have to say, but so far

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Speaker 1: we haven't gotten any sort of reasonable defense from the

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Speaker 1: President or his team that makes a whole lot of sense.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So there's the legal question.

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Speaker 1: On the political question, you know, with the Republican electorate,

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Speaker 1: no doubt that he will. They're already persuaded that this

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Speaker 1: is a witch hunt and it really wouldn't matter what

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Speaker 1: facts Jacksmith was able to lay out, like that case

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Speaker 1: has already open and check for them. They think any

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Speaker 1: attack on Trump is coming from bad faith actors. And

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Speaker 1: you see this even in the DeSantis Trump fight, where

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Speaker 1: DeSantis has to be so careful about the way he

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Speaker 1: couches his criticism so they can't just be dismissed as

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Speaker 1: like you sound like a Democrat now, and that is

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Speaker 1: the way that the Republican base has been trained to

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Speaker 1: view every single attack on Trump. Now, there are real

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Speaker 1: questions about how this timeline is going to play out,

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Speaker 1: because you know, we haven't even gotten a trial on

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Speaker 1: the original Alvin Bragg charges.

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Speaker 3: This is a complex case.

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Speaker 1: It is likely that Trump's team is going to throw

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Speaker 1: up all kinds of you know, roadblocks to try to

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Speaker 1: drag this thing out, and so it is very likely

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Speaker 1: that we don't have a resolution to this case on

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Speaker 1: the legal front until after the election, which is I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: putting the clearly damning facts aside. It is just an

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Speaker 1: extraordinary set of circumstances that you have the former president

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Speaker 1: running against the current president, the current president's Department of

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Speaker 1: Justice is prosecuting the former president, and his chief rival

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Speaker 1: in the midst of a presidential campaign. There's just no

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Speaker 1: doubt about that that is an unprecedent and extraordinary set

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Speaker 1: of circumstances, and that these are uncharted waters.

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Speaker 3: So you do have the specter of still.

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Speaker 1: Having these charges hanging over Trump as we go into

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Speaker 1: election day without a resolution, and this becoming very existential

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Speaker 1: for him in terms of his own personal freedom. And

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Speaker 1: he is already framing the campaign in those sorts of

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Speaker 1: existential terms. Now Trump always frames his campaigns in existential terms,

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Speaker 1: but he's overtly saying to his supporters this is a

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Speaker 1: quote final battle, that this is like the last front

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Speaker 1: in their war to destroy their enemies, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, the results of election day could matter. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: they're going to matter a lot for the future of

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Speaker 1: the country, but they could also matter very directly for

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Speaker 1: whether former President Trump is going to end up in

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Speaker 1: prison behind bars, because these are serious charges and they

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Speaker 1: could very much.

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Speaker 3: Lead to that.

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Speaker 2: On I'm really glad that you laid out the time

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Speaker 2: on for everybody, because this is not going to be quick,

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Speaker 2: I believe and from people I've spoken to you, there

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Speaker 2: are going to be multiple Supreme Court level cases that

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Speaker 2: will arise here about Presidential Records Act, about the way

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Speaker 2: that these things are governed, executive privilege. The president and

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Speaker 2: his team have to go through the normal legal process

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Speaker 2: from a federal judge, the appellate court up to the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court. You can have expect expedited review. Then you

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Speaker 2: have to go through the normal trial. You're going to

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Speaker 2: have discovery. This could take a hell of a long time.

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Speaker 2: We don't know even if the DOJ is going to

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Speaker 2: be able to push that. And then also they're going

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Speaker 2: to have to run up against the political barrier of

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Speaker 2: prosecuting the chief opponent, likely opponent to the current president

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Speaker 2: of the United States. But politically, as you alluded to

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Speaker 2: the GOP current candidates, they're also in a tough spot.

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Speaker 2: What the hell do we say about this?

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is exactly what we not to pass.

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Speaker 1: All gone back too much, but this is what we

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Speaker 1: predicted when we saw the way the marologu Or raid

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Speaker 1: went down and the fact that they immediately came out

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Speaker 1: all of his would be rivals and bent the knee

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Speaker 1: to his framing of events. And you'll recall Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 1: like waited a couple of days and he caught hell

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Speaker 1: for not immediate.

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Speaker 3: Coming out to Trump's defense.

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Speaker 1: So I guess many of them sort of learned that

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Speaker 1: lesson and they're coming out. You know, DeSantis was much

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Speaker 1: quicker to make a statement here, and you know, once

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Speaker 1: again takes Trump's side, his rival, the guy he's trying

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Speaker 1: to defeat. He takes his side in this whole battle.

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Speaker 1: Is take a listen a little bit of what Ron

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Speaker 1: DeSantis had to say.

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Speaker 11: My view was, well, gee, you know, as a naval officer,

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Speaker 11: I would have taken classified to my apartment. I would

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Speaker 11: have been court martialed in a New York minute. And

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Speaker 11: yet they seem to not care about that. And is

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Speaker 11: there a different standard for a Democrat secretary of State

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Speaker 11: versus a former Republican president. I think there needs to

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Speaker 11: be one standard of justice in this country. Let's enforce

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Speaker 11: it on everybody and make sure we all know the rules.

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Speaker 11: You can't have one faction of society weaponizing the power

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Speaker 11: of the state against factions that it doesn't like.

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Speaker 3: So he's trying to be a little bit careful there, right.

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Speaker 1: He does acknowledge, Yeah, he does acknowledge that. You know,

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Speaker 1: if he when he was in the military had done

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Speaker 1: something similar, it would have been a big problem for him.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, you know, he goes directly to the favorite

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Speaker 1: talking point of Trump's allies, which is the what about Hillary,

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Speaker 1: what about Biden?

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Speaker 3: Et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And he even tweeted out, you know, the

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Speaker 2: weaponization of federal law enforcement represents a mortal threat to

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Speaker 2: free society. We for years witness an uneven application of

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Speaker 2: the law depending on the political affiliation. Why so zealous

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Speaker 2: in pursuing Trump, yet so passive about Hillary? For about

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Speaker 2: Hillary or Hunter? The DESANTUS administration will restore rule of

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Speaker 2: law in this country. It's like, so Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump,

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Speaker 2: Hillary Trump, all twenty sixteen vibes, and that's why I

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Speaker 2: should be president now on the merits, look, he probably

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Speaker 2: would do a better job than Trump in actually reformative

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Speaker 2: justice department. In terms of politics, yeah, it's a huge

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Speaker 2: issue because every single candidate is now litigating a set

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Speaker 2: of facts around their chief opponent, and there really is politically,

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Speaker 2: As you know, Crystal, you never want to be talking

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Speaker 2: about somebody else. You want to be talking about you

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Speaker 2: and your vision for the country. You do not want

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Speaker 2: to be on the grounds of talking about some set

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Speaker 2: third party. We can do that. We're the new or

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Speaker 2: political analysts. We're not actually at the center of the story.

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Speaker 2: But that's not the story that you're trying to do

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Speaker 2: when you're saying that's why you should vote for me,

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Speaker 2: it's exactly just actually, if anything, it gives Trump even

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Speaker 2: more power, which we see in a lot of the

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Speaker 2: polling that we'll be getting too soon.

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Speaker 1: Trump is the central issue in the Republican primary, and

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Speaker 1: he's in a lot of ways the central issue in

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Speaker 1: the country. And it's in a lot of ways the

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Speaker 1: worst thing about having Trump dominate our politics. And so

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Speaker 1: you know, every candidate in the Republican primary is forced

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Speaker 1: into this impossible position of either backing him up or

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Speaker 1: opposing him, which is an even worse position to be in.

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Speaker 1: But there's just no beating being actually Donald Trump, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: the best stance you can take on the issue of

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Speaker 1: Trump is literally being Donald Trump within the Republican primary.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I mean, I just basically think this

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Speaker 1: primary is over before it's begun because this piece of

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Speaker 1: you know, this indictment is probably not the last indictment.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have all kinds of news about this

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Speaker 1: going through the court system, and what are the motions

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Speaker 1: and what else is uncovered and what's Trump saying about it.

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Speaker 1: So this tiny window of time that we had where

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Speaker 1: candidates were launching, they were getting a little bit of

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Speaker 1: media coverage and trying to make the most of that

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Speaker 1: and maybe getting a couple point bump in the poll

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Speaker 1: is basically done. So this is the landscape that all

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Speaker 1: of them are facing. We put together a few other

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Speaker 1: responses that are kind of like across the gamut of

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Speaker 1: how other Republicans are dealing with this within the primary.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to the other responses, and today.

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Speaker 12: What we see is a justice system where the scales

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Speaker 12: are weighted.

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Speaker 13: But today I'm calling on the Attorney General to stand

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Speaker 13: before the American people and explain why this was necessary.

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Speaker 13: In his words, Attorney General Merrit Garland, stop hiding behind

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Speaker 13: the Special Council and stand before the American people and

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Speaker 13: explain why this indictment went forward.

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Speaker 14: I disagree with the allegations.

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Speaker 2: I just think I do not believe.

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Speaker 14: Those allegations because of I think the innectual dishonesty in

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Speaker 14: that indictment. So I think the Federal court is actually

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Speaker 14: I think based on the precedent of.

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Speaker 2: The Clinton sock drawer case, where.

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Speaker 14: Effectively Judge Jackson said that it is at the president's,

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Speaker 14: her language, not mine, sole discretion as to what is

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Speaker 14: and is not covered as a presidential record.

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Speaker 1: And Vivek has gone probably the furthest of anyone. He

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Speaker 1: immediately came out and said five was president in pardon

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Speaker 1: Trump instantly art right, he gets on the record right away,

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Speaker 1: and you know he is even willing to say, I

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Speaker 1: don't agree with the allegations at all. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: the he's the one who's willing to go the furthest

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Speaker 1: out on a limb, potentially positioning himself maybe for cabinet

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Speaker 1: secretary position or just to be you know, a favorite

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Speaker 1: of the Republican base and whatever sort of accolades and

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Speaker 1: opportunities that brings you. But even Mike Pence, you know,

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Speaker 1: he did make some sort of like tepid, vague criticism

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Speaker 1: of Trump with regard to these charges, But what he's

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Speaker 1: really trying to do is position himself to also be on.

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Speaker 3: Trump's side on this, even though another.

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Speaker 1: Area, you know, with regards to January sixth, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: he's been willing to be critical of Trump. But it

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Speaker 1: just shows you that there is a real limit how

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Speaker 1: far people feeling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because people don't care about this. We're going about

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Speaker 2: to talk about the polling. But you know, it's very

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Speaker 2: clear Republicans, some Republicans, not most, but some Actually we're

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Speaker 2: pissed off about what Trump did on January sixth. On

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Speaker 2: the document's case, this is an open and shut like

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Speaker 2: politically has absolutely no impact. Doesn't mean it's not important,

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Speaker 2: it certainly is, but just politically, that's how it's being internalized.

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Speaker 2: It's not It is not a surprise that the two

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Speaker 2: candidates who pull some of the worst in the entire

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Speaker 2: Republican Party, they're the only ones who are even willing

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Speaker 2: to be critical of Trump. Here on the document's case,

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Speaker 2: Asa Hutchinson and Governor Chris Christy, here's what they had

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Speaker 2: to say.

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Speaker 12: You are calling on Donald Trump to end his campaign

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Speaker 12: in the wake of this second indictment.

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Speaker 15: Why for the good of the country and for the

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Speaker 15: good of the office of presidency. This is unprecedented that

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Speaker 15: we have a former president criminally charged for mishandling classified information.

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Speaker 12: So everyone wants to blame the prosecutors, and look, I

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Speaker 12: think the prosecution. DOJ is at fault for not charging

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Speaker 12: Hillary Clinton. It's at fault for what happened in the

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Speaker 12: Russia investigation because it undercut people's faith and confidence in

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Speaker 12: the system. But each case has to be looked at

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Speaker 12: on its own merits. And the facts that are laid

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Speaker 12: out here are damning in terms of Donald Trump's conduct,

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Speaker 12: and that's what I think we as a party should

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Speaker 12: be looking at.

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Speaker 2: So look, Chris Christy Asa Hutchinson. As I alluded to,

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Speaker 2: there are already some of literally not only the lowest

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Speaker 2: polling but also the highest level of people who said

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Speaker 2: they will not even consider them to be president. This

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Speaker 2: and I mean and again, the issue is crystal Whenever

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Speaker 2: they speak, it's basically indistinguishable from CNN and MSNBC primetime programming. Well,

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Speaker 2: the Republican base hates those people. The reason why Mike

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Speaker 2: Pence and DeSantis and Viveigue are all being smart politically

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Speaker 2: is that in the eyes of the Republican base, this

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Speaker 2: is an illegitimate prosecution. If you want to win their

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Speaker 2: vale to any primary, even being considered as president of

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Speaker 2: the United States, that's exactly what you have to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're not going to beat Trump by no,

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Speaker 3: you're not.

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Speaker 1: It's just like, if your goal is to be in

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Speaker 1: good with the Republican base, get some you know, Fox

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Speaker 1: News or Newsmax or where whatever, like contributorship, or position

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Speaker 1: yourself maybe for a cabinet post in a future Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: you're doing the right thing. If you're trying to win

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Speaker 1: the Republican primary, it doesn't matter what you say, it's

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Speaker 1: not gonna work out. I mean, Trump is just such

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Speaker 1: like this just shows I think to everyone what a

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Speaker 1: dominant controlling force Trump is in the Republican primary for sure,

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Speaker 1: but in American politics overall, and you know, he is

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Speaker 1: the dividing line. So it's it's not a great landscape

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Speaker 1: for them. Now listen with ASA Hutchinson. I don't really

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Speaker 1: understand his play, to be honest with you, I don't

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Speaker 1: really have a great feel for the ASA career or

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Speaker 1: where he's going with this or what he wants. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he wants be on CNN. Maybe he just you knows

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Speaker 1: as and feels like, this is my responsibility and I

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Speaker 1: believe in this party and the principles, and I want

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Speaker 1: to say my piece. You know, whatever come what may.

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Speaker 1: Chris Christy is in the race because he wants to

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Speaker 1: be a wrecking ball and he's unafraid. You know, he

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Speaker 1: launched with a very vigorous attack against Trump. He maybe

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Speaker 1: have a large enough ego to delude himself into thinking

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Speaker 1: that this could work out for him. But his primary

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Speaker 1: goal here is to try to annihilate Trump the way

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Speaker 1: he annihilated Marco Rubio and potentially like a Kamakaze mission.

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Speaker 1: So if that's your goal, then you know, this makes

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Speaker 1: some sense. And he already has lost the favor of

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Speaker 1: the Republican base. So in terms of future career prospects,

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Speaker 1: it's better for him to be in good with like

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Speaker 1: you know, CNN, m SEMEC, NBC, mainstream press, and corporate

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Speaker 1: America than to try to, you know, walk back over

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Speaker 1: the bridge to the conservative media ecosystem, because that ship

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Speaker 1: has ultimately sailed. So I understand from all of their

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Speaker 1: perspectives what they're doing, and it may make sense for

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Speaker 1: them in terms of their future career prospects. None of

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Speaker 1: it is going to work out for any of them

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Speaker 1: to be president of the United States.

870
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. And that is a great segue to the

871
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: polling that we have so far. We have a snapshot

872
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: of the Republican race in terms of how it's all looking.

873
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and put this up there on the

874
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: screen for the overall GOP primary from CBS News and

875
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: Yugov in their latest poll, which kind of just tells

876
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: you everything, doesn't it. This was we're done from June

877
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: seventh to June eleventh. A lot some of it was

878
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: pre indictment, but the polls overall just underscore how much

879
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: of the base loves Trump right now. Twenty twenty four

880
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: Republican nomination. Who would you vote for today? By the way,

881
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: this polling is amongst likely GOP primary voters sixty one

882
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: percent Trump twenty three percent, Dysantis four percent, Tim Scott

883
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: four percent, Mike Pence three percent Nicky Hayley. So the

884
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: drop off from DeSantis obviously is uh parity precipitous, and

885
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: it just shows you he's the only even genuine contender

886
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: against Trump. But the next one that we're about to

887
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: show you, let's put this up there on the screen.

888
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: This just really is the whole ball game. To me,

889
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: is kind of what I was just talking about. Who

890
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: are you not considering? Number one? Chris Christy seventy nine percent,

891
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: Doug Bergham seventy three percent, Asa Hutchinson seventy three, Larry

892
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 2: Elder sixty one, Pence sixty, Haley fifty seven, Ramaswami fifty six,

893
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: Tim Scott forty two, DeSantis twenty seven, Trump fourteen. Literally

894
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: only three candidates Tim Scott, Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump

895
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: are even not have a majority of Republican voters say

896
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: that they won't consider them for president. So, I mean, what,

897
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: I guess, Tim Scott mania everybody, you know, if you

898
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: really hate Trump and DeSantis, he's alo I guess endorsed

899
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: Tim Scott. But even he's forty two percent not being considered.

900
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: It's Desantas and Trump. And to the extent that Desantas

901
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: is a show, all, every single one of the people

902
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: I just read would have to drop out and endorse him,

903
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: and even if they did, most people still love Trump.

904
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: So it's like he's got a sixty one percent lead

905
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: here in the overall national polling. Even you know, Vivek Ramaswami,

906
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: the endless amount of you know, kissing Trump and kissing

907
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 2: up to him. He gets a ton of media coverage.

908
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: But here's the issue. A little you know, CNN interview

909
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: here Don Lemon, viral clip there. None of that is

910
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: even close to the level of Trump being able to

911
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: dominate our politics, and before that, his overall level of

912
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: name idea. I was thinking about what you were saying

913
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: during the previous block that we were doing. And there's

914
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: a powerful concept, you know, in war, or if you

915
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: think about this as a battle, is choosing the ground

916
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: that you fight on is more important, if anything, than

917
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: the actual fight itself. It predetermines almost all the outcomes

918
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 2: from that forward. That is Trump's overall strength. He selects

919
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: and chooses the ground and says, no, you come fight

920
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: with me over here. You're like, no, no, no, I want

921
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: to fight over here. He's like, yeah, I know, but

922
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: I'm weak over there. I have the high ground on

923
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: this The inability is basically everyone is doing like shooting

924
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: up here at this hill. He's shooting down, which is

925
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: defensive position. That's something that you exactly want to be.

926
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: And then even he does feel like he's losing, he

927
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: moves to another hill like over here, and you have

928
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: to follow him over there. Nobody is actually in control

929
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 2: except for Trump in this circumstance, and that is why

930
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: the polls overall reflect this. Now here's the thing I

931
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 2: do want to be fair, that's GOP voters. Many people

932
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: who are not primary voters. Yeah, some of them do

933
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: support the Trump and dytmon, let's put this up there

934
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: on the screen. This was a snappole from ABC News.

935
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: They say rallys of Americans support the second Trump indictment,

936
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: but they say that the charges are politically motivated. And so,

937
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: you know, nearly half forty eight percent they say Trump

938
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: should have been charged in the case, thirty five percent

939
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: mostly Republican base, says that he shouldn't have. Seventeen percent say, quote,

940
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: I don't know, but unsurprisingly, you see that Republicans remain

941
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: most loyal to Trump, quote sixty seven percent saying the

942
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: foreign president, current front runner should not have been charged

943
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 2: at all. Independence at forty five percent saying he should

944
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: not have been charged, and a solid majority crystal say

945
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: this is a politically motivated investigation. And you know why

946
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: that's so powerful. Trump has now made it so that

947
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: any indictment, in his own words, shooting a man on

948
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: Fifth Avenue, when people would support me, it's because the attacks,

949
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: so many of the illegitimate attacks against him, make it

950
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: so that it's impossible to discern what is legitimate and

951
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 2: what is not for a lot of people who are

952
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 2: even sympathetic to the man.

953
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all absolutely the case. You know, it's to me,

954
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: it's been pretty clear for a while the way this

955
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: would all plant his hands in terms of the Republican

956
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: primary base. I mean, it just strengthens their commitment to him.

957
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: It makes everything about him. It makes it impossible for

958
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: people to break through, makes it impossible for Ondosantus in particular,

959
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: to try to prosecute his case and lay out why

960
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: he should be president and fight on the ground that

961
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: he would like to fight on. Not that it's even

962
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: totally clear to me what that ground is at this point,

963
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 1: but it makes all of that thoroughly impossible. I mean,

964
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: the CBS News poll, those are Biden RFK numbers, and

965
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: that's with you know, RFK Junior getting like no press attention,

966
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: and DeSantis is being propped up by Fox News. Ruper

967
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: Murdoch overtly told him like, we're gonna have your back.

968
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: They have done everything they can to prop this guy up,

969
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: and it's to no avail. With regard to the general election,

970
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: it's a lot muddier to me. My inclination is that

971
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: it is actually a problem for Trump in terms of

972
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: the general election. It's an assist to Joe Biden. Why

973
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: because we all know, I mean, Joe Biden launched his

974
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: presidential campaign and I think he still hasn't even gone

975
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: out on the campaign trail. I think he has a

976
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: rally scheduled this week. This is his first one since

977
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: he announced. His team tries to keep him hidden. We

978
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: all know the reason why, because he can't stand up

979
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: to scrutiny. He doesn't do an effective job on the stump.

980
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: He stumbles all over himself. It's always like one inch

981
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: from disaster the whole time. How did he win last time?

982
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: Because they didn't have to do all that much. Trump

983
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: was out there making a fool of himself on COVID

984
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: and doing his thing and being ridiculous. Biden had the

985
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: excuse of the pandemic to not go out and campaign

986
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: in person. And so if these indictments keep coming and

987
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: the news media is caught up as understandably, Listen, I'm

988
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: not even saying they shouldn't cover this stuff, because this

989
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: is actually really important. It really is, you know, quite historic,

990
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 1: and all that stuff that's going to be the focus

991
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: of media attention. Biden doesn't really have to promise or

992
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: say anything other than like, I'm not going to be

993
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: in prison, and it's you know, that's all he really

994
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: has to do to position himself to get re elected.

995
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: Here in terms of a general election audience, you know,

996
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: I think people's views on Trump are so hardened that

997
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: it's very hard to imagine. Even with damning nature of

998
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: this indictment, It's not like anyone.

999
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 3: Is surprised by any of this.

1000
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: I can imagine very few people really changing their opinions

1001
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: of Trump over this. But for those who in focus

1002
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: groups are telling polsters like, you know, I voted for

1003
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: Biden last time. This time, I might just stay home

1004
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: this time, I might vote third party. I'm just not

1005
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: really feeling it. This may be the reminder of the

1006
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: chaos and general like insanity of the Trump era that

1007
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: forces them to once again go well. I guess Biden

1008
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: is the lesser of the two evils, and I guess

1009
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: it is worth going and pulling the lever for him,

1010
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: even though I, you know, I'm not happy with what

1011
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: he has done in office.

1012
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: I agree with you, I think people should remember, you know,

1013
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: with Trump, it's the overall exhaustion and actually not the

1014
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: set of facts. So on the set of facts they

1015
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: can be like, yeah, I could see that, but they're like, man,

1016
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: I'm sick of this. I'm just And that's what January

1017
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: sixth leads into that and the more here's the other thing.

1018
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: The Feds still have the ongoing January sixth investigation Christal.

1019
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: If they prosecute him for that, then we and every

1020
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,479
Speaker 2: other news outlet in the country is forced to cover

1021
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 2: the prosecution, which only drums into the heads of the

1022
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: American people. Remember that one event and how that you

1023
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: all hate or that most of you hate, And but

1024
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: I hate this type of politics as you do you

1025
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: because I'm like, oh, what, we can sit here in

1026
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: January of twenty twenty three and talk about January of

1027
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 2: two thousand and twenty one, but yeah, apparently that's or

1028
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 2: January twenty twenty four, three years almost that's the ground

1029
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: that they want to fight on. That's the ground that

1030
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: Trump himself kind of shot himself in the foot in

1031
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: many ways because he likes fighting on that as well.

1032
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: He's like, no, you know, the election wasn't stole a

1033
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: dry people absolutely crazy as we saw in the midterm election.

1034
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: So overall, I do think it's going to remain an

1035
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 2: issue for him, if anything, because it just feeds into exhaustion.

1036
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: The counter to that is is that there is probably

1037
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: a ceiling to the level of whether people can care

1038
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: before they start to tune out. Trump did still win

1039
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 2: some seventy something million votes in the twenty twenty election

1040
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: after a lot of what happened investigation in the exhaustion,

1041
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: So people do also and are willing to tune it

1042
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 2: out dramatically if they think an issue is more important.

1043
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: So it's all going to come down to turn out.

1044
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: As they say.

1045
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he tried to do a Keystone cops coup,

1046
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: So it's understandable people are going to think about that

1047
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: and want to talk about that and want to consider

1048
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: that in terms of whether they want to put this

1049
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: guy back in a position of power. And we certainly

1050
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: saw how that weigh on the decision making of midterm

1051
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: voters and the results of the last midterm elections. The

1052
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: last thing I'll say in terms of this particular polling,

1053
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: which I think is interesting too, is just there's such

1054
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: a distance between the way the Republican electorate feels about

1055
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: January six, feels about these classified documents feels about even

1056
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: the Alvin Bragg charges and the way that the rest

1057
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: of the country feels about it. So they asked voters, so,

1058
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: is it a national security risk if Trump kept nuclear

1059
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: and military documents, And this was the CBS newspoll. Only

1060
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: thirty eight percent of likely GOOP primary voters say yes,

1061
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: and that thirty eight percent probably they don't really believe that.

1062
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: He kept that stuff.

1063
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 3: They're not going to buy it.

1064
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: So you can basically like, even though they acknowledge if

1065
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: he kept those sort of things, yes, it was a problem,

1066
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: they don't really think that he kept those things. Eighty

1067
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: percent of the rest of the country says, this is

1068
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: a real problem. This is a real national security issue.

1069
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: This is serious, This is a real you know, this

1070
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: is a real thing. So when you have this wild

1071
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: gulf between the way that the Republican.

1072
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: Base that feels about a key issue.

1073
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: That's going to dominate our politics, and the way that

1074
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: the rest of the electorate feels about it, it creates

1075
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: a real political issue for Trump. And this is the

1076
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: path that Ron Klan all those months ago laid out

1077
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: for Joe Biden to get elected, which is like he's

1078
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: going to have a low approval rating.

1079
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 3: People aren't going to be in love with him.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to be in love with what he did,

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Speaker 1: They're not going to be in love with how the

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Speaker 1: country did. But they're going to look at the alternative

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Speaker 1: and say, I got no other choice.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Let's talk a little bit about Joe, about

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden. Let's go ahead and put this up there

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Speaker 2: on the screen. On the very same day actually of

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Speaker 2: the indictment, the GOP Oversight Committee, members of that came

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Speaker 2: out and told us this. This is from Anna Paulina

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Speaker 2: a Luna, who's a member of that committee. She says,

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Speaker 2: quote in shock after leaving GOP Overside Committee meeting today.

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Speaker 2: The FBI quote has an informant who brought forward information

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Speaker 2: President Biden received a five million dollar bribe from a

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Speaker 2: foreign national while he was Vice president of the United

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Speaker 2: States in the Obama administration. Quote, they stated that they

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Speaker 2: were afraid that the informant would be killed if they

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Speaker 2: were unmasked. On Thursday, there will be a hearing to

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Speaker 2: hold FBI director in the contempt of Congress. There will

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Speaker 2: no more corruption shall be tolerated. All of this traces

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Speaker 2: back to this whistleblower that allegedly had come forward, which

1100
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Speaker 2: was revealed by the GOP Overside Committee a month ago.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to put this up there please on the screen.

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Speaker 2: All of it was disclosed to Fox News. What they

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Speaker 2: say is that their documents proving in the FBI that

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00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: the informant has come forward involving this criminal scheme between

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00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 2: President Biden a foreign national, some of which traces back

1106
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Speaker 2: to the Bearisma investigation. This letter was brought forward from

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Speaker 2: Representative Comer and Senator Grassly, the joint members of the

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Speaker 2: committee's a House Oversight and Senate who are looking into

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Speaker 2: the investigations of the FBI itself. Now, what they say

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00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: is that it quotes includes a precise description of how

1111
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 2: this scheme was employed as well as its purpose. The

1112
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: issue is that we just don't have all of the

1113
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: details around this, and then, look, I think people should

1114
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Speaker 2: remain skeptical. However, we also know that the FBI has

1115
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 2: refused to generate the quote FD ten twenty three form

1116
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: which details alleged set arrangement involving this exchange of money

1117
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: for policy decisions. The reason that Congressman Luna had brought

1118
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: up before bringing the FBI director and holding him in

1119
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: contempt of Congress was specifically because they have provided set

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Speaker 2: of subpoena to the FBI, which is not yet materialized.

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00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 2: So the reason we have to speak in generalities right

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00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: now is we don't have the document. Yeah, and they

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00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: haven't told us anything else about it. Assuming the extent

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00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: here is basically there is an informant who brought this

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Speaker 2: forward to the FBI. This according to Congress, this is

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00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: an informant. He came the FBI five million dollar Bibery scheme.

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Speaker 2: We don't know anything else about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's important to put a pin in

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Speaker 1: this one and keep.

1131
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Speaker 3: Your eye on it.

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Speaker 1: But there's also good reason to maintain your skepticism. Not

1133
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: because we think Joe Biden isn't corrupt or you know,

1134
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't take money or whatever, but this is coming from

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Speaker 1: This is like second hand reporting of second hand sources,

1136
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: and it's clearly coming from, you know, people who are

1137
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: our adversarial to Joe Biden, his Republican political opponents, who

1138
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: are on this GOP Weaponization of Government committee. So it's

1139
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: important to keep those facts in mind with regard to

1140
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: the actual tip. It came apparently a couple years ago.

1141
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: There's some indication that it has already been investigated. So

1142
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: that's one piece. The other pieces, the source didn't have

1143
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: direct knowledge of the payment. The source said that they

1144
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: had been told about the payment. So that's why I

1145
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: say it's like second hand of a secondhand account. And

1146
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: so that's why, you know, I think it's important to

1147
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: mention that this information is out there, it's circulating on

1148
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill. Certainly a lot of conservatives think that, you know,

1149
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: this is something and it certainly should be investigated, and

1150
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: this is something that needs to be looked into. But

1151
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: we are a long way from having all of the

1152
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: facts lockdown on what exactly happened to here.

1153
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Speaker 2: So the exact date of the form is f OF

1154
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 2: is June thirty, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty. The FBI

1155
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: interview described the source as quote highly highly credible. That form,

1156
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 2: though some people need to know. The FD ten twenty

1157
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: three form is used by agents to record unverified reporting

1158
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: from confidential human sources. So it's not, you know, under oath.

1159
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Speaker 2: It is something that's made by a confidential in format

1160
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: and they use it as an intelligence gathering tool. It

1161
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: is said to document information that's then told to the

1162
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Speaker 2: FBI agent. Now, as I said, some of this, at

1163
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: least some of the contours that have come forward, is

1164
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Speaker 2: that this involves five million dollars paid by an executive

1165
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: of the Ukrainian natural gas company, the Barisma, who we

1166
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: have all I think are well familiar with, according to

1167
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: the secondhand reporting of this confidential source to the president.

1168
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Speaker 2: And overall, I mean, look, I as you do believe

1169
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: that some shady stuff happened with Barisma, and I do

1170
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 2: not think that the Biden family was above taking bribes

1171
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Speaker 2: from foreign governments. Given so much of the material that

1172
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: has come forward, give you know, with Hunter, his holding companies,

1173
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: their relationships to the Chinese government, the level of money

1174
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: he was moving around, and that's where his personal life

1175
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: does come into play, which is the reason why he

1176
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 2: needed access to millions and millions and millions of dollars.

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Speaker 2: Was burning it all on drugs and in all these

1178
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: insane different schemes. Flying around and booking high level European

1179
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: hookers cost money, apparently, and that's why he needed access

1180
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: to said funds. In that we have to go back

1181
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: to the original twenty twenty. You know, just as much

1182
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: as I hate talking about January sixth this too, you know,

1183
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: if to feel like you've put on several hats from

1184
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,479
Speaker 2: years ago. Tony Bobolinski, who was the recipient of said

1185
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: email from Hunter Biden in which they discussed this quote

1186
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: ten percent to the big guy that Hunter had laid out,

1187
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 2: in which he effectively said that he was holding ten

1188
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: percent for some alleged big guy, of which I don't

1189
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Speaker 2: think it takes a genius to surmise could be his father,

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Speaker 2: the President of the United States currently and then the

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00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 2: vice president now. Also, though we know from Ben Schrekinger's

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00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: reporting over at Politico of the level of how Hunter

1193
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 2: and Biden's brother James were involved in all kinds of

1194
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: insane schemes to use Biden's position, Hunter himself also policitian himself.

1195
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: So nobody is saying here that Biden is not corrupt

1196
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: and that this investigation has not borne fruit, only that

1197
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: so far we don't have any of the details. I

1198
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: do believe that the FBI should make this form available

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Speaker 2: to Congress simply because it's a matter of an immense

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00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: public interest. Their argument is, well, oh well, we can't

1201
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: be making forms, you know, that have of an investigation

1202
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: that's been closed we can't make that public because it's

1203
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: unfair to the people who are you know, who are

1204
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: in being investigated. But because these people are such high

1205
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: level public officials with so much power, I think we

1206
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: should have a different standard. They're not private citizens. Like

1207
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: the information is so immensely important, and we've already broken that,

1208
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: you know, with Hillary Clinton investigation, with the Trump investigations.

1209
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: It should come forward and the people should be able

1210
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: to make up their minds for themselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a few reasons why I maintain skepticism here,

1212
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: which is Jamie Comer, who is involved in, you know,

1213
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: all of this and is on the House that Oversight Committee.

1214
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: He has was directly did President by commit crimes? And

1215
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: what his response was he did things that should have

1216
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: been crimes. This would be directly a crime, right, So

1217
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: there's that number one.

1218
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 3: Number two. I just it's important to imagine that.

1219
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: This allegation was coming out about some politician that you

1220
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: actually like, and the way that you would view it.

1221
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: So what do we have. We have his political.

1222
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: Opponents recounting to an allied political media organization information on

1223
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: a form that was unverified and that was secondhand. So

1224
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: should it be invested a Hunter absolutely should be investigated.

1225
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: We should see the form, we should know everything that

1226
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: we can possibly know about it, and if there's there there,

1227
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: he should be prosecuted. But there's a lot of reason

1228
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: to hold off on coming to firm conclusions about what

1229
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: exactly the details are here and what exactly happened because

1230
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: of the political motivation of the people who are bringing

1231
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: this information forward.

1232
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: We're going to keep everybody updated throughout. We will be

1233
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 2: tracking this investigation seeing what Congressman Comber had to say.

1234
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: We want the release of that form, and transparency in

1235
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 2: general is always a good thing. Let's go to the

1236
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: next part here. This is absolutely fascinating moment. Mark Zuckerberg

1237
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: was back on the Lex Friedman podcast and there was

1238
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: an interesting moment where Lex asked him about COVID misinformation

1239
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: and also just overall efforts for censorship. We will recall

1240
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: that when Zuckerberg, the CEO of Meta Facebook Instagram for

1241
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: the Normal People who Are, when he was interviewed on

1242
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 2: the Joe Rogan Experience, detailed that moment whenever the FBI

1243
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: had come forward and said, hey, something is coming, you

1244
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: should be ready, he talked about openly admitted that they

1245
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: de ranked the Hunter Biden laptop story on their platform,

1246
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: which in my opinion, is worse than what Twitter did

1247
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: because there's no like, how do you know when something

1248
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: is de ranked or not? He was like, yeah, we

1249
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 2: openly say shadow banded it.

1250
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Speaker 12: Yeah.

1251
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: It's like so you could share it, but nobody would

1252
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: see it, and it's like, well that's pretty odd. Okay.

1253
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: Within that, Zuckerberg, though, had a fascinating admission around COVID

1254
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 2: mis misinformation and censorship that his own platform enacted while

1255
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: the pandemic was going on, talking about how the establishment

1256
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: actually got a lot of facts wrong. Here's what he

1257
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: had to say in that interview.

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Speaker 16: So misinformation, I think is has been a really tricky

1259
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 16: one because there are things that are kind of obviously false, right,

1260
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 16: that are maybe factual, but may not be harmful, since aga, right,

1261
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 16: are you going to censor someone for just being wrong?

1262
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 16: It's you know, if there's no kind of harm implication

1263
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 16: of what they're doing. I think that that's there's there's

1264
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 16: a bunch of real kind of issues and challenges there.

1265
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Speaker 16: But then I think that there are other places where

1266
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 16: it is you just take some of the stuff around COVID.

1267
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 16: Earlier on in the pandemic where there were you know,

1268
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 16: real health implications, but there hadn't been time to fully

1269
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 16: vet a bunch of the scientific asumptions. And you know, unfortunately,

1270
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Speaker 16: I think a lot of the kind of establishment done

1271
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 16: that you know, kind of waffled on a bunch of

1272
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 16: facts and asked for a bunch of things to be

1273
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 16: censored that in retrospect ended up being more debatable or true.

1274
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 16: And that stuff is really tough, really undermines trust and

1275
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Speaker 16: that and the.

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Speaker 2: Problem I always have with Zuckerberg is he says the

1277
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: right things, yeah, look, you know, we got it wrong,

1278
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: but then whenever it comes down to it, he always buckles.

1279
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: And isn't it an impossible situation In many respects, he

1280
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: is literally the CEO of this massive platform with foreign

1281
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: governments constantly demanding censorship, and then his own activist employee base,

1282
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 2: which also demands it. In my opinion, he originally had

1283
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 2: it correct. Zuckerberg used to hold up Facebook as the

1284
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: paragon of free speech and said, I am a Jew,

1285
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: I am of a family that was affected by the Holocaust.

1286
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 2: I will not censor Holocaust denial. In many ways, it's

1287
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 2: one of the most courageous free speech positions that you

1288
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: can take, and he took a lot of heat for it.

1289
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 2: And then two years later he was like, yeah, you

1290
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 2: know what, we are going to censor Holocaust. And now

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Speaker 2: I mean that was it. Like from people who I

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Speaker 2: have spoken to who literally were involved in the process,

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Speaker 2: many of whom believed in free speech, it was a

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Speaker 2: breaking moment for them because they used to hold that

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Speaker 2: up to advertisers and say, our Jewish CEO literally says,

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Speaker 2: this is a principle of which we will abide by

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Speaker 2: and we will not fold on. And then he folded,

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Speaker 2: and unfortunately he also folded Crystal right in the midst

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Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty election of taking down Trump's account

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Speaker 2: off of Facebook, setting up this fake oversight board around

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Speaker 2: what oh, We're gonna kick it to the oversight board,

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Speaker 2: and then the oversight board was like, dude, you're a

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Speaker 2: private company. You make the call. And then he did.

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Speaker 2: He was like, Okay, Trump's account is back, and we're like,

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Speaker 2: what you know, this is all this like insane, quadi

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Speaker 2: judicious process. So I guess I am several minds. And

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Speaker 2: we have Jack Dorsey on the show today, so I'm

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Speaker 2: excited to talk to him about it. Yeah, I have

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Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind Jack believed in free speech.

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Speaker 2: I also have no doubt in my mind free speech

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Speaker 2: not provile under Jack's leadership. Maybe that is just simply

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Speaker 2: a function of a private company into in today's world.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Yes, I mean, look at a number of

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Speaker 1: advertising I don't if Twitter has not been free speech

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Speaker 1: under Elon Musk either, but how much it has this

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Speaker 1: advertising revenue been cut by like sixty percent or something great.

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Speaker 1: I mean, advertisers fled when they were worried about what

1318
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Speaker 1: content would be on the platform, And of course they

1319
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: did because they don't want their brand to be next

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Speaker 1: to whatever, you know, Holocaust, de nihilism or whatever. So

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Speaker 1: this is the reason why if you believe that these

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Speaker 1: social media platforms are critical infrastructure for democracy, they should

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Speaker 1: be insulated from the profit incentive and they should not

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Speaker 1: be run by a handful of billionaires.

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Speaker 3: Like there's just no other way around it.

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Speaker 1: Good billionaire, a bad billionaire, in between billionaires, smart billionaires

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Speaker 1: to it doesn't matter. Ultimately, they're all playing by the

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Speaker 1: same rules because they're all subject to the same basic landscape.

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Speaker 3: And so that's why the decision making looks so similar.

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Speaker 1: Why over time they've all converged to very similar decision making.

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Speaker 1: It's all because of the you know, the profit making,

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Speaker 1: and it's I don't even think like the active as

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Speaker 1: employees or whatever are really the thing.

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Speaker 3: It's the advertisers. It's the money.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to make money in these companies, you're

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Speaker 1: going to listen to what the advertisers have to say.

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Speaker 1: And that's basically the bottom line here.

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Speaker 3: With regard to COVID.

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Speaker 1: Part of why I found these comments so interesting and

1340
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Speaker 1: why I continue to find this topic so interesting, is

1341
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: because COVID was such a critical stress test and test

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Speaker 1: case of principles. Because on the one hand, if you

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01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: have information that is wrong, incorrect, you know, misleading, whatever

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01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: it can, it could genuinely be dangerous. Right on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, you have a situation where the facts were

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Speaker 1: wildly unsettled, where there was a portrayal of facts from

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Speaker 1: the government that was at times misleading, at times outright lies.

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Speaker 1: At times, they you know, mistakenly got things wrong. This

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01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: was all in flux, and so to think that to

1350
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: think the government is going to get it right.

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Speaker 3: All at once is foolish.

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Speaker 1: And then to think that these tech platforms are going

1353
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,959
Speaker 1: to be able to adjudicate all of this in real

1354
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: time is complete insanity. And so that's why, even with

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Speaker 1: something that was truly as sensitive and potentially as dangerous

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Speaker 1: as quote unquote COVID misinformation, why it would have been

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Speaker 1: a much better approach to have a light touch, and

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Speaker 1: why people would have had a lot more you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean trust is broken in like every institution anyway,

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Speaker 1: but this certainly did not help the case. And it

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Speaker 1: reminds me of you know, the polling about CNN and

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Speaker 1: where a lot of trust was lost with regards to CNN.

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01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't actually as much on their Trump coverage. It

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Speaker 1: was on the way that they handled COVID, and people

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01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: felt like, all right, I'm out of here, like I'm done,

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Speaker 1: I'm moving on. So I think there was at that

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Speaker 1: it's easy to forget with the passage of time, how

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Speaker 1: raw and nervous and on edge every one was, especially

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of COVID. There was such a critical

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Speaker 1: period where institutions could have risen to the challenge. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Zuckerberg and Meta were not alone in missing

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Speaker 1: the mark.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. And that's why, you know, once again,

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Speaker 2: I actually have some personal admiration for I'm like, listen,

1375
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 2: you know Zuck. He's not shooting himself full of TRT

1376
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: and having his midlife crisis like Jeff Bezos. He's actually

1377
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,959
Speaker 2: Chad Zuck. He's participating in jiu jitsu competitions. He remains fit,

1378
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 2: he's married, he has kids. You know, he seems principled

1379
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 2: sometimes whenever he talks. But you've got to judge these

1380
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 2: people based on their actions, and look on almost every

1381
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: metric he actually has failed. And I think it's a

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01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: good stress test. As you said, of you can have

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01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 2: a guy who literally believes you shouldn't censor Holocaust and

1384
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 2: island two years later after Apple Nuke's you know iOS whatever,

1385
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 2: the ability for Facebook targets advertising is like, well, I'm

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01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 2: running one hundred he's running a hunt. Well not even

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Speaker 2: one hundred billion, I think bigger, something like a two

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01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: hundred billion dollar companies. One of the richest men literally

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Speaker 2: on planet Earth. He's got to protect. It's not even

1390
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 2: about his own bag at that point. He's got employees, stockholders,

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Speaker 2: all this other stuff. At the end of the day,

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01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: these people's responsibility is to the company bottom line. Literally,

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Speaker 2: that's what they say. As CEO well, they're always going

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01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 2: to act on behalf of that. With you have a

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Speaker 2: majority advertising supported thing. Then ultimately that's why the decision

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Speaker 2: tree comes back to. It's why also you and I

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01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 2: designed our business so that we can have this big,

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01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 2: beautiful studio and not have to worry about advertising because

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Speaker 2: if advertising polled, well, guess what, that's not what paid

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Speaker 2: for this. It was actually our premium describers. But at scale,

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Speaker 2: is that even possible? Don't know. Yeah, I genuinely don't

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Speaker 2: know if that's impossible. That's right, all right, Sager, we

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Speaker 2: are looking at well, it's been a big week for

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Speaker 2: the UFO phenomenon, to which I've seen more public interests

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01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 2: than I have in a long time. Anytime there's so

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01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 2: much information breaking all at once, it's always important review

1407
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 2: the facts and separate them for people as they think

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Speaker 2: about it, or at the very least think that we

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Speaker 2: should get to the bottom of some other recent events

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Speaker 2: now as far as UFOs goes. In the last week

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Speaker 2: or so, there have been two major stories which we

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Speaker 2: have covered here on breaking points, and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: separate these into two categories. One is the former intelligence

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Speaker 2: official David Grush coming forward with an extraordinary claim the

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Speaker 2: United States government is in possession of multiple alien spacecraft.

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01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 2: They have lied to the American people in Congress for decades.

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Speaker 2: This is further backed up by multiple Intel officials coming

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Speaker 2: forward to Michael Schellenberger supporting his claims. I believe these

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Speaker 2: stories are the utmost importance. I'm going to circle back

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Speaker 2: to them, I promise. But another story that got a

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Speaker 2: lot of attention is this recent event in Las Vegas, Nevada.

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Speaker 2: Police body camera footage and a nine to one to

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Speaker 2: one call ignited immense public interests after a family and

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Speaker 2: a teenager specifically called nine to one one to report

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Speaker 2: the siding of an alien being in his backyard. The

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Speaker 2: reason these claims even received any attention at all is

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Speaker 2: because police officers and body camera footage revealed lights in

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Speaker 2: the sky around Vegas at the same time, and officers

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Speaker 2: in their footage are shown mystified by what they saw.

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Speaker 2: If you missed it, here was the report that took

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Speaker 2: the world by storm.

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Speaker 17: I got a build because actually, so there's two people

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Speaker 17: or two subjects matter in your backyard, correct, And.

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Speaker 10: They're very large, they're like a foot nice I don't know,

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01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 10: they're like they're like ilious cloks, big eyes that have

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01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 10: big eyes, like like I can't excited and think I'm

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01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 10: out there're tiny eyes and and they're not human one

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Speaker 10: hundred percent they're not human.

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Speaker 17: Okay, Well, the aues that investigators obtaining video as officers

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01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 17: then responded to the call you just heard. You'll see

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01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 17: the officers also saw something in the sky that night.

1442
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 17: But the big question is what was it and is

1443
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 17: it all connected. It's almost midnight on May first, when

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01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 17: a Las Vegas Metro Police officers body cam catches this

1445
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,799
Speaker 17: something flashing low in the sky.

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Speaker 10: Minutes later, there's a there's like an eight food person

1447
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 10: becde it and another one's deside and it has big eyes.

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Speaker 10: They're looking at us.

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Speaker 17: And it's so that someone calls nine to one one

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01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 17: reporting two large figures in their backyard.

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Speaker 2: The eighties.

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Speaker 17: Now investigators obtaining another officer's video as he sent to

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Speaker 17: the Northwest Valley home.

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Speaker 11: I have butterflies, broon saw a shooting star.

1455
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 2: Then these people say there's aliens in their backyard.

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Speaker 17: By now it's more than an hour after that bright

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01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 17: light officers meeting up with the caller and his family.

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Speaker 4: Would you see it was like it was like a

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Speaker 4: big creature.

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Speaker 2: A big creature, yeah, like an tete talk.

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Speaker 10: I'm not gonna be yes you guys.

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Speaker 17: One of my partner said they saw something following this

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01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 17: guy too, So that's why I'm kind of curious.

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Speaker 3: Did you see anything in your backyard or.

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Speaker 10: They see like a big they say they see like

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01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 10: a like a I do believe in it.

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Speaker 17: Police walk into the backyard to investigate, but Metro blocked

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Speaker 17: out that part of the video because it's considered private property.

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Speaker 2: Now, of course, there are a few questions. Number one,

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Speaker 2: since when has the police blurred out an entire backyard

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Speaker 2: because it's private property. That's one of the craziest things

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01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 2: I've ever heard. But also, come on, man, you saw

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01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 2: a nine or ten foot alien being, you didn't whip

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01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 2: out your phone camera. Luckily, the kid himself who was

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01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 2: featured in the video came forward in a YouTube video

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01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: with some more information. Now, since that witness from the

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01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 2: video as a teenager, I'm not gonna try and be

1478
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 2: too mean. But the most important thing that he supposedly

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Speaker 2: revealed is this image. Okay, so per his telling, that

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01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: perfect circle is what was imprinted in his backyard. Now,

1481
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 2: as UFO journalist, James Fox indicated in his review quote,

1482
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 2: I have an open mind, but let's be honest. That

1483
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 2: looks like something that was scratched with a shoe. The

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01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 2: explanation as to why they did not whip out their

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01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 2: cell phones to record their allegend encounter with alien beings

1486
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,799
Speaker 2: in their backyard is they were afraid, which is somewhat reasonable.

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Speaker 2: And furthermore, Las Vegas basin you Famed UFO journalist George

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Speaker 2: Napp is also on the case, and he provided us

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Speaker 2: with this update.

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Speaker 18: Eight News Now Investigators has spoken with family members multiple

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Speaker 18: times in the past four weeks, but each of the

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01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 18: three times we accepted their invitation to do an interview,

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01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 18: they didn't answer the door or their phone. These are

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01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 18: some of the claims they've made in other public forums.

1495
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 18: Multiple family members backed up the story. In an initial

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01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 18: police report we obtained. Angel says they heard the patterner

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01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 18: of multiple feet in the yard. They later heard footsteps

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01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 18: on their roof. They saw one of the eight foot

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01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 18: tall creatures climb behind the controls of a large front

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Speaker 18: loader in the yard as if trying to engage it.

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Speaker 18: He got a good look at one of the creatures,

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Speaker 18: He said, a greenish grayish being with large eyes and

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Speaker 18: long legs. He says he could hear its deep breaths

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01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,839
Speaker 18: and when he locked eyes, he was, in essence frozen

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01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 18: in place, couldn't move in the middle of the yard

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01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 18: where the object is crash then vanished. A circular impression

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01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 18: was left in the soil.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the man avoiding interview requests despite agreeing to them.

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01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 2: On the one hand, explanation out there is that they

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01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 2: want to remain anonymous and shun attention. But then they

1511
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 2: also one of the alleged witnesses is starring a YouTube

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01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 2: channel and calls it Alien Society fifty one. I'm not

1513
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: going to dismiss it yet entirely. There was still ring

1514
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 2: doorbell footage that captured the sound of a thud. The

1515
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 2: officer body camera footage showed an object falling out of

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01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 2: the sky. Another independent journalist who spoke with the family

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01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 2: says he does believe that they saw something, so look,

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01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 2: we'll wait for further information. For me, personally, I am

1519
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 2: actually less convinced after the release of the witness YouTube

1520
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: video than the initial weirdness of that bodycam footage getting

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01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 2: blacked out. We will wait further investigation amongst questions about

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01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 2: potential cover up in Vegas by police officers, and as

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01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 2: some have pointed out, given that we still have a

1524
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: total blackout on the actual Las Vegas mass shooting, it's

1525
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 2: not like you can really trust the word of authorities

1526
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 2: that are from there. The reason I spent some time

1527
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 2: on this is to show I and many interested who

1528
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 2: are in this topic don't just believe everything gets put

1529
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 2: out there. In fact, most of what's put out there

1530
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 2: I disregard almost entirely. Every once in a while, a

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01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 2: strange one will pop up that's on the fence, like

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01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 2: this one, and it's incumbent on those who do believe,

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01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 2: people like Dave Grush and want more investigation to show

1534
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 2: public skepticism as well. And I'm going to end it

1535
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 2: by just saying this, take a look. What you can

1536
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 2: see is that people who are interested in the topic

1537
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 2: and want transparency on the government have in possession both

1538
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 2: documents and materials. Wise, so I will end with hope

1539
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 2: focus less on individual stories and more on the allegations

1540
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 2: of government conspiracies that can either be disproven or disproven

1541
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 2: based entirely on whether congressional leaders actually take this issue

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01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 2: seriously and give us transparency. The House of Representatives now

1543
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 2: says they will investigate the allegations of Dave Grush and

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01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 2: will have hearings. It's not much, but it is a start.

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01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 2: Maybe it'll be the start of something big, you know, Chris.

1546
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue,

1547
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com.

1548
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 2: Crystal, what are you taking a look at?

1549
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: Anarco eco terrorist? Ted Kaczinski, whose mail bombs terrified and

1550
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: captivated the nation, killed himself in his jail cell over

1551
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: the weekend. He was eighty one years old, serving out

1552
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: a life sentence for his numerous violent crimes. Now the

1553
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 1: so called unibomber killed three and injured an additional twenty

1554
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 1: three in a series of sixteen explosions that he said

1555
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 1: between the years nineteen seventy eight and nineteen ninety five.

1556
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: It was actually caught after arranging a deal with the

1557
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 1: New York Times in the Washington Post to publish his

1558
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: anti modernity manifesto. It was titled Industrial Society and Its Future.

1559
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: Kazinski's brother recognized Ted's writing style, and then he turned

1560
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,799
Speaker 1: over his brother to the FBI.

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01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 3: His Deathso is of.

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01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 1: More than just historical relevance because Ted Screed, which was

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01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: publish nearly three decades ago, has recently found a modern audience.

1564
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson and Arizona Senate candidate Blake Masters they recently

1565
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: cited his ideas approvingly, seemingly reflecting an online zoomer zeitgeist

1566
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: of embracing Kazinsky and calling.

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01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 3: Themselves Ted pilt.

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01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 1: So what led to the current interest in his writings

1569
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: and in his ideology? While core concepts in the manifesto

1570
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: they actually feel pretty familiar today.

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01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 3: The basic ideas that.

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01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: Technology is destroying the world and has made mankind a

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01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:27,759
Speaker 1: slave to its whims.

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01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 3: Kazinski argues that quote the.

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01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for

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01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: the human race. The system does not and cannot exist

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01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: to satisfy human needs. Instead, it is human behavior that

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01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: has to be modified to fit the needs.

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01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 3: Of the system.

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Speaker 1: This system, he says, has turned human beings into quote

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01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. He argues,

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01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: the only hope for reversing this cataclysm is through societal

1583
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,600
Speaker 1: collapse and revolution, which he hoped to spark through his

1584
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: mail bombs or at least to call attention to his ideas,

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01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: And you have to say, on that count he was

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01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: kind of successful. It's easy to see how Kazinski's ideas

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01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: would land with a modern audience, especially among young people

1588
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 1: who have only ever experienced a world where the majority

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01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: of their most intimate intimate interactions are mediated through some

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01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 1: tech platform or another. There's a whole subgenre of TikTok

1591
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: devoted to Kazinsky's standing, where depress zoomers pine for a

1592
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 1: return to a wilderness that frankly, they've barely ever experienced.

1593
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: It's filled with links to articles about microplastics, means about

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01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: suburban sprawl, and lamentations about low tea levels. Separated by

1595
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: decades from the visceral horror of the killings and the

1596
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 1: terror that ordinary Americans felt just opening up their mailboxes.

1597
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: You're left with the radicalism for mass consumption. After all,

1598
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 1: who among us has in harbored off the grid fantasy

1599
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: where we toss our smartphones into a lake swhere to

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01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: never sign into another god forsaken zoom call, rescue our

1601
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: children from Roebloxia, and figure out how to make our

1602
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: way in the wilderness, to be the masters of our

1603
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 1: own faiths in the mold of our ancient ancestors sounds

1604
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: kind of appealing as we sit in our air conditioned room,

1605
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: with the whole world and every modern convenience right at

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01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,959
Speaker 1: our fingertips. In fact, you could easily argue that kazinski

1607
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: analysis of the ills of modernity and threat of tech

1608
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: is actually at the peak of its relevance. After all,

1609
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,799
Speaker 1: we just watch humanity be ravaged and our individual freedom

1610
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,839
Speaker 1: further curtailed by a pandemic that was in all likelihood

1611
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 1: unleashed by an arrogant scientific establishment. Last week, the entire

1612
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: East Coast was smothered by smoke drifting from unprecedented wildfires,

1613
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: at a predictable consequence of the human driven climate catastrophe.

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01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,839
Speaker 1: He also writes compellingly about the dangers of AI. He wrote, quote,

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01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: as society and the problems that face it become more

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01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: and more complex, and as machines become more and more intelligent,

1617
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: people will let machines make more and more of their

1618
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: decisions for them, simply because machine made decisions will bring

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01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: better results than man made ones. Eventually, a stage may

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01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 1: be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the

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01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: system running will be so complex that human beings will

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01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage, the

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01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: machines will be in effective control. We already have tech

1624
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: which even its own architects do not understand, churning out

1625
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: results that they cannot predict. It's impossible to argue the

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01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: tech is actually in service of humanity when we don't

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01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: even know what the tech is up to underneath its

1628
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: shiny public basing veneer. Just last week, Apple released its

1629
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: Vision Pro mixed reality headset, which is intended to bring

1630
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: all of your screens into your immediate field of vision

1631
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: without even having to look down at a smartphone or

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01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: TV or iPad or other device. Who knows whether it's

1633
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: ever going to reach widespread adoption, but it's one more

1634
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: invention designed to make us more disconnected from the environment

1635
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 1: we are actually in and the people we are actually around,

1636
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: and become more reliant on the machines.

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01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 3: Now, the niche hero worship of.

1638
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: Kasinski is obviously unsettling, given that he was a killer

1639
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,440
Speaker 1: and a terrorist. His zoomer fans feel the sting of disaffection,

1640
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: but lack the personal or societal means to do a

1641
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: whole lot about it. Their self aware impotence on display

1642
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: as they use the new hottest tech platform to pine

1643
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: for the destruction of all technology and a return to

1644
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: the wild. Tech is admired with this group because he

1645
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: didn't just complain about modernity, He actually did the thing,

1646
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: lived off the grid survival life, and with so much

1647
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: time removed, his violence feels distant enough to just be

1648
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: a useful element of an edgy, radical online persona. Ironically,

1649
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: it's the very story that our algorithm boosted tech of

1650
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: today has incentivized a generation to tell about themselves. Be edgy,

1651
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: be radical, be extreme to get boosted in the algorithm.

1652
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: The ted stands who hate tech were cultivated by the

1653
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 1: very tech that they posture as despising. Of course, Kazinski himself,

1654
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, was the cultural product of modernity.

1655
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 3: The boy genius with the.

1656
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: Freakish mathematical aptitude swept up at the tender age of

1657
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 1: sex sixteen, shipped off to Harvard, where he would be

1658
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: fast tracked into elite society so that his market desirable

1659
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: intellect could be put to use by the government, and

1660
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: where he would be experimented on as part of the

1661
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: CIA's mk Ultra project. When he became a terrorist. His

1662
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: exploits were packaged into digestible bites for mass news media

1663
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: audience that was just getting a taste for the twenty

1664
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: four hour news cycle. Kazinski argued that the unbearable weight

1665
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 1: of the current system would eventually come crashing down. Now,

1666
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: nothing quite so apocalyptic has happened, but at post pandemic,

1667
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: we have certainly seen a dramatic reordering of human priorities.

1668
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 3: We've seen people move to find a.

1669
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: Quality of life which more adequately nourishes their soul and

1670
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: their families. We have seen workers demanding accommodations to their

1671
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: new lifestyles rather than just sliding back into the old

1672
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: ways in which work life was everything. We've seen historic

1673
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 1: support for worker empowering labor movement and worker sparking grassroots

1674
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 1: movements to establish power and autonomy in their workplaces. These

1675
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: are all reformist attempts to reclaim the power that Ted

1676
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: argued the modern world had stripped from us.

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01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 3: All.

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01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: We should witness those attempts, and we should be encouraged

1679
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: because for me personally, I would like to find a

1680
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: way to promote human thriving and empowerment and protect the

1681
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: natural environment without having to give up antibiotics and air conditioning,

1682
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:47,440
Speaker 1: and maybe without indiscriminately murdering random people. So ted complicated

1683
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: figure saga. Those are some of my thoughts.

1684
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you want to hear my reaction to

1685
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 2: Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com.

1686
01:20:58,280 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 2: That's it for us. Thank you guys so much for

1687
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,879
Speaker 2: thank for watching. We hope you like a new studio

1688
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 2: the interview. We just want to say thank you again

1689
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:07,879
Speaker 2: to the YouTube subscribers, the preview subscribers, the podcast listeners.

1690
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 2: They built this studio, Crystal.

1691
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 3: You guys made it happen.

1692
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we have an incredible show for everybody tomorrow.

1693
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 2: We've got RFK Junior on the show. We've got James

1694
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 2: Vanderbeek on the show as well, and we will see

1695
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 2: you all tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: See all tomorrow,