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Speaker 1: Have No fear. The I Am Rappaport Stereo podcast is here.

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Speaker 1: My name is Michael Rappaport a k. The Bill Lambier

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Speaker 1: of podcasting a k. The Jake La Matta of podcasting

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Speaker 1: a ka. The Gringo man Dingo. I am here with

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Speaker 1: the three time co host of the Year g Moody,

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Speaker 1: whose last name rhymes with duty yea Gimo Nettie always Ready.

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Speaker 1: We have a special guest rocking with us on today's podcast.

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Speaker 1: Heaven is a basketball podcast, and we have a guy

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Speaker 1: who loves to talk basketball, loves it, loves it. I

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Speaker 1: love this dude. Former assistant coach of the Miami Heat

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Speaker 1: during the entire Lebron James Miami Heatles era, former head

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Speaker 1: coach of the Memphis Grizzlies basketball head my man, David

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Speaker 1: Fizdale is rocking with us. Hard body, karate love me.

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Speaker 1: Long time podcast. We're rocking for like an hour and

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, all basketball. So many Miami Heat stories, so

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Speaker 1: many d Wade stories. Just Heaven is a basketball podcast

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Speaker 1: coming up later on with the great, the passionate David Fizdale.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna rook me. He ain't gonna rook me.

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Speaker 1: You remember his rant Monetti Uh last year when he

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Speaker 1: with that rant because he went off about Popovich and

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Speaker 1: not having pedigree and how the refs aren't gonna rook him. Um,

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Speaker 1: this is a dope, dope interview with David fill so

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Speaker 1: it's coming up later on. Did he tell you about

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Speaker 1: how did he prove to you that Lebron is the

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Speaker 1: best ever? Excuse me? Did he prove to you through

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Speaker 1: the stories that Lebron is indeed the best player? Um?

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest. There's so many damn good Lebron James

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Speaker 1: stories coming up with David Fizdale that it definitely softened me.

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Speaker 1: It softened me. He he, he breaks it down. You

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Speaker 1: know he was with him through the through the trade.

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Speaker 1: You know when he the decision, he was already with

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Speaker 1: the Miami Heat. He was there before he was with

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Speaker 1: the Heat, and when he left after the Spurs dismantled

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Speaker 1: the Miami Heat. So he's got all that information. And yes,

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Speaker 1: there's great Lebron James stories. I don't know why you're

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Speaker 1: trying to throw that we we just started the show.

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Speaker 1: G would we just started the show anyway, Miles Jordan's

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Speaker 1: let me get something funky, start this puppy off, all right, Monetti,

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Speaker 1: Look what's good? What's good? Listen? As I said earlier,

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Speaker 1: this David Fizdale interview is fantastic. Um. I think that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna, uh, we're gonna do some six Fox of

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Speaker 1: the Week because I got some some some really really

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Speaker 1: uh upsetting sick Fox. Some crazy things are happening with

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Speaker 1: the sick Fox across the country. Some very dog unfriendly

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Speaker 1: skies incidents happened very something, very disturbing. Um. The NFL,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, it's crazy. You know with today,

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Speaker 1: the NFL free agents, uh, you know, in the trades

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But I can't imagine like twenty

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't know what the fuss is going on there.

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Speaker 1: There were so many trades and pickups just in the

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Speaker 1: to keep tracked. Danny m and Dola is gone. He's

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Speaker 1: no longer a Patriot. He's out, he's done. Demjos ain't loyal.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots don't give a ship. The Patriots don't care

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Speaker 1: that Amndola stepped up last year when friend of the

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Speaker 1: Iron Rapp reports stereo podcast, Julian Edelman was down and

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Speaker 1: out and Amundodle came in there kicked ass all season long.

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Speaker 1: Data he's gone, Um, which I think is a good

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Speaker 1: day that Jordy Nelson gun goodbye, bye bye. It's a business. Goodbye,

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Speaker 1: He's with the Tennessee Titans. Jonathan Stewart, former Carolina Panther,

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Speaker 1: Good from a man, Kirk. He's gonna get all that money,

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Speaker 1: senior Fantasy Football analysts Executive senior fantasy football analyst Michael

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Speaker 1: Rapport is back doing his thing. It's it's March, but

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Speaker 1: it's gonna happen like that before you know it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Knocks on HBO, and then we'll be playing fantasy football.

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Speaker 1: So pay attention because some of your favorite players might

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Speaker 1: the nationwide school walk out. Of all these kids across

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Speaker 1: the country, We're not going to school. We don't want

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Speaker 1: to be victims of senseless shootings in our schools. US,

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Speaker 1: the adults, US, the politicians, the grown ups, we haven't

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Speaker 1: As far as doubles is concerned, Yo, Literally, the Williams

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Speaker 1: the quote unquote non rapping rapper, Little Zane, little zan

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Speaker 1: who we Willie Hutch matter of fact, Miles Jordan, let

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Speaker 1: right there. Um, twenty three years ago today, Tupac dropped

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Speaker 1: they said, why do young rappers hate Tupac? And I'm like, why,

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Speaker 1: I see this is this is that fake news ship.

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Speaker 1: where where do these people? That's what I'm saying, Like

418
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: they're just making up all sorts of rules on the fly.

419
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: That is fucking I mean, that's traumatic too, like and

420
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: and that the dog died, right, oh he got bit up.

421
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: Of course, the fucking dog died. And if you look

422
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: a pick, if you look up a picture of this

423
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: sick funk, his name is Robert Crossland, a junior high

424
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: science teacher in Pressing, Ohio. You know what he looks like? Gerald?

425
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: A sick fuck? Of course, of course, third sick funck

426
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: of the week. And I'm gonna be honest, I'm editing

427
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: them because there's so many of them. We're just gonna

428
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: have to hold some of these for next week. I

429
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: couldn't even keep up. I don't know what happened in

430
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: the last you know, six or seven days, so many

431
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: sick funs. I can't even do them all on this episode.

432
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: I really can't. I mean, I could have just ended

433
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: the sick Funk of the Week segment after the dog

434
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: dying on the United flight situation. But I'm gonna keep

435
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: going because I got to give the people what they want.

436
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: A fourth grade teacher. There's nothing funny about this either.

437
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: This is another thing. This is a teacher and elementary

438
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: school teacher in Indiana. You know what he looks like.

439
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: His name is Joe kim Here. And you look up

440
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: a picture of Joe kim Here, Gerald, do you know

441
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: what he looks like? What a sick fuck? This animal

442
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: who's gonna wind up getting arrested, wind up going to jail.

443
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: And wind up being the victim of sexual assaults in

444
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: prison with the Wonder bread bag and possibly without the

445
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: Wonder bread Bag for the rest of his life. A

446
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: fourth grade teacher and Amelia Earhart Elementary School in Lafayette, Indiana,

447
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: was arrested on a slew of charges after he turned

448
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: baseball lessons with a bunch of young underage fourteen year

449
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: old boys into masturbation sessions. This is a sick piece

450
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: of ship. Joe Kim here, you dog, you animal, no

451
00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: olive oil. You're gonna be sexually violated with red who

452
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: laid lipstick the rest of your life. Pedophile. Damn man, Yo,

453
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. I mean, he should

454
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: be stoned. Why do we have to pay for him

455
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 1: to be imprisoned? End him? If they find out this

456
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: is real and he did this to all these children,

457
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: just end him. This isn't just a rehabilitation. And why

458
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: do you put something like this, somebody like this in

459
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: prison for the rest of their life. People will think

460
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: twice if they're like, yo, you can't get away with it.

461
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: You'll still have people doing dumb ship. You want to

462
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: use those a R guns, use it for this type

463
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: of lunatic. Just just get rid of this person. You

464
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: can do it publicly, not publicly. There's no reason for

465
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: a person like that to live. Imagine that at a

466
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: baseball practice he does that. Finally, Finally, a really sick, sick,

467
00:29:53,360 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: fucking New Delhi, India, a doctor. Two doctors were suspended. Okay,

468
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: they were having surgery. He had a bus accident. One

469
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: of his legs had to be severed. Instead of getting

470
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: rid of the leg properly and continuing on with the surgery.

471
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: You know what these sick fucking doctors did, Mr Moody,

472
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: What what I want to hear it is they took

473
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: the man's leg that he lost in the accident, tucked

474
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: it under his head and used it as a fucking pillow.

475
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: You sick fox. You these are doctors. Oh, it's not

476
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: first class healthcare out there. They probably had the operation

477
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: in the motherfucking pool. Tuck a put a sweatshirt underneath

478
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: his head. They used his leg, his severed leg under

479
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: to to prop his head up. I'm gonna give you

480
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: one more. I'm gonna give you one more, and listen

481
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 1: all your people out there that are freaking off on

482
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: these social media sites. I don't know what you're into, Tinder, grinder, whatever,

483
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: you're into, straight not straight, Pay attention to what you're doing. Okay.

484
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: A twenty one year old man was arrested. Okay, two men.

485
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: They met on one of these social media sites in

486
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: Brooklyn bed Sty near Marcus Garvey Boulevard. You're well aware

487
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: where this is. Jim Nettie Willoby Willoby Avenue and Marcus Garvey.

488
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: They met up for a little rendezvous. They met on

489
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: social media. They were about to have their little their

490
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: thing and freak off. The year old suspect beat the

491
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: sixty year old man in the head with a dunebell

492
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: after rejecting his sexual advances when they finally met. Sh

493
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: It ain't sweet. Okay, you think you're going there, you

494
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 1: gotta love connection. You're gonna freak off, You're gonna get

495
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: in and out. Shit isn't sweet. It ain't all that

496
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: it's cracked up to be. Watch yourself in these eat

497
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: That was another award winning sick Fuck of the Week segment.

498
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: Let's get to it Miles Jordan's let me, let me,

499
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: let me get this little intro. Okay. Coming up next,

500
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: Iron Wrap Coors Tereo podcast. So much basketball talk, I

501
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: couldn't even contain myself. Monetti, I gotta tell you something.

502
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: We literally could have kept going for three hours. David

503
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: Fizdale loves fucking basketball. He loves to talk about basketball,

504
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: and he speaks about it in layman's terms. I see

505
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: him on TV play the good chunk of his now

506
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: infamous You're not gonna rook me rant Miles Jordan give

507
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: him a little beat and coming up next on the

508
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: Iron Rap Coorst Stereo podcast, The Great, the Funny, the Passionate,

509
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: David Fizdale, let's go coach. First half, we shot nineteen points, shots,

510
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: nineteen shots in the paint, and we had six free throws.

511
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: They shot eleven times in the paint. They had spent

512
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: three free throws. I'm not a numbers guy, but that

513
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to add up. Overall, thirty five times we

514
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: shot the ball in the paint, we had fifteen free

515
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: throws for the game. They shot eighteen times in the

516
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: paint and had thirty two free throws. Kawash shot more

517
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: free throws than our whole team. Explain it to me.

518
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: We don't get the respect that these guys deserve because

519
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: Mike Connolly doesn't go crazy. He asked class and he

520
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: just plays the game. But I'm not gonna let them

521
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: treat us that way. You know. I know Pop's got

522
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: pedigree and I'm a young rookie, but they're not gonna

523
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: rook us. That's unacceptable. I was unprofessional. My guys dug

524
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: in that game and earned the right to be in

525
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: that game, and they did not even give us a chance.

526
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: Take that for data. All right, this is it, this

527
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: is it's this is it. I'm declaring this a classic

528
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: before my guy even says a word. I know this

529
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: is gonna be class. Okay, he's not gonna rook me.

530
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: He's coming in here. I know the other podcasts have pedigree,

531
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: but you're not gonna rook me. I'm here with David Fizdale,

532
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: a coach. My man, who I mean when you were

533
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: with Miami, everybody sort of was watching that team, and

534
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: you were the guy that would either the players would

535
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: either come to the bench and start arguing with you.

536
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: You'd start arguing with them before or during or split

537
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: they go to Sposha, they come see coach Fizdale. Yeah,

538
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: I was kind of the buffer. Uh you know, if

539
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: I could say exposed voice and try to handle a

540
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff for him. It was that was

541
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: kind of my role with the team that I had

542
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: to step in there and kind of play mediator a lot,

543
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: and sometimes I had to speak spoke to them and

544
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: I had to speak players to spose. So uh, it

545
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: was a good experience for me and made it fun.

546
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: And obviously the people I got to be a I

547
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: was amazing. I'm sure we're gonna get to them and

548
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: I you know, I uh, everything is above board, you know,

549
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: I'll say it to your face. I say, it's all

550
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: their faces. The Miami Heat, going back to the Knicks,

551
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: Miami Heat, to your Miami heatles. I'm never gonna love

552
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: that team. I appreciate all the greatness. I appreciate the

553
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: Ronnie Psychly, the Lions of Mornings, that Tim Hardaway, all

554
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: the guys, but it's never gonna be a love fest

555
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: I have. I just make sure that people go you

556
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: you you're trying to front like your Miami Heat. No, no,

557
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: I know that, right. So the day I met you,

558
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: I knew there was no way you could be a

559
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: Heat fan. So as I heard you talk, I knew

560
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: that you couldn't be a Heat fan because you're you're

561
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: like my wife said when she met you, you are

562
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: way new York, totally New York. And you you know

563
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: people think that for Knicks fans, me in particularly that

564
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, we just started hating when Lebron and them came.

565
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: But I'm like, this goes back to deep hate. Yeah,

566
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: this is Riley leaving from Miami, but before Pat went there,

567
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: because Pat told us how to hate the man. Mean,

568
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: that's true. All right. So the first thing I got

569
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: to ask you about, because I think when you became

570
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: sort of a national attention was obviously last year during

571
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs with with the rant that I just quoted

572
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: where I was like, I love this, dude, Memphis Grizzlies

573
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: are playing the Spurs, uh whatever. They like. You felt

574
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: that you guys weren't getting calls. You know, you're speaking,

575
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: and in this social media age, it becomes yeah viral,

576
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean crazy viral. Was not expecting any of that.

577
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: You're just talking. Yeah, I'm fighting for my team. I'm desperate.

578
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: You know. I felt like, you know, there are some

579
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: calls I should have got there. Uh, you know, it

580
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: doesn't feel comfortable to be down oh two to a

581
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: pop coach team. So you know, I was letting all

582
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: my chips hit the table, and uh, you know, obviously

583
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: I got a little organized because I went through the numbers.

584
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: I never cursed, you didn't curse curse. I did raise

585
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: my voice, obviously, but I didn't think it was gonna

586
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: go viral. And my wife was on the way to

587
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: the airport and she's on social media. She's into it,

588
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: and she hits me up and she goes, what did

589
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: you just do? And I go, uh, And so I

590
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: guess it just took off from there. So what were

591
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: the ramifications of that? Because now you're right now currently

592
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: at least for the time being, throughout this season, you're

593
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: part of the media. You're you're working on ESPN, you're

594
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: calling uh you know, you're doing the jump, you do

595
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: your pregame. Are you gonna cover games during the playoff?

596
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: We've talked about some stuff. ESPN has been really good

597
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: to me and letting me uh do some stuff with

598
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: them and the playoffs is definitely something that we discussed

599
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: so before and I'm announcing it at some point at

600
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: some place before you get your next coaching job, because

601
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: you're mental coach. You look like how old you three? Okay,

602
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: so you're like you know, the little stint Memphis, whatever

603
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: it was, there's more coaching. We didn't take it this far. No,

604
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: I got a lot more left me. Sure. So now

605
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: that you're part of the media and you know sort

606
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: of what that's like, you've interview you people, you have

607
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: to speak on stuff. And then when you're doing like

608
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: the rant in Memphis, the in between the lines of

609
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: the rant of don't rook us. You know, Zack didn't

610
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: go to the free throw line, Kaui went to the

611
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: free throw line. I know the rant pretty good. I'm

612
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: gonna do what I'm gonna do, a dramatic reading of

613
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: the later. I'm gonna do the you know, like the

614
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: implications and miamis and Miami has had this for years,

615
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: the implications, the refs aren't giving us the calls, and

616
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, you're not the Petterrea Like, what is that

617
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: like when fans say these games are fixed or you know,

618
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: Steph's wife she spoke out about it. I mean, it's

619
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: it happens all times. Like the Miami heat um Dallas

620
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: Maverick series is probably the most sort of famous one

621
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: because it's been scrutinizing. Mark Cuban got to find out

622
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: of his ass for it. You know, you gotta. I

623
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: think it just comes from uhh, when you feel like

624
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: you're dealing with injustice, you know, and if you have

625
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: that Jane inside of you that that you don't do well,

626
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: when you feel like someone's presenting you with an injustice,

627
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: you react. And uh you know, it seems like a

628
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: lot of the people who are at the top and

629
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: then the great organizations that have fought tooth and nail

630
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: to get just to hold that trophy, you'll do anything.

631
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: You gotta kill you. I give up a pinky toe

632
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: to hold that trophy again. And so you know, when

633
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: it comes down to it, man, when you feel like

634
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: you may be not getting the calls or you're getting

635
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: the respect that you you warrant, you know you you

636
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: gotta go off. And that's what it is. But do

637
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: you think it's like, I mean, like for fans like

638
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: to keep people something like do you think it's like, well,

639
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: Papa to start, there's star parking, you're a rookie coach,

640
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: like they could get away with this. Like I think

641
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: in any industry, there's a human condition. You know, people

642
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: are people, and you know, I know these these officials

643
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: aren't robots, you know, and they're gonna be influenced one

644
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: way or another by certain things. You know, it doesn't

645
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: make them bad officials, It's just makes some human beings.

646
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: Did I lean on that a little bit to try

647
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: to get things to work my way? Absolutely, you know.

648
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: I tried to work on the psychology of it and

649
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: maybe get a couple of calls to go my But

650
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, that's just the human condition that's in every sport.

651
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: You know, if Bill Belichick is going off on a

652
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: ref and football, he's probably gonna get a little more

653
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: leveraged to do that than a young guy who's just

654
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: getting his first shot. Um. That's just how it works,

655
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: and that's part of the deal. But at the same time,

656
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean I can't point it out when I'm

657
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: getting my ass kicked right and you gotta do something right.

658
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: We're the I mean, the players obviously knew you, but

659
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: I mean the response from the city of Memphis and

660
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: the fans, I think you got a standing ovation is unbelievable. Man,

661
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: it was it was I never expected that. That was yeah,

662
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: my first year and and it was electric. Man. I

663
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: walked into the building. It was before they did any

664
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: hat announcements and the place erupted. Man. It was like

665
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: I had goose bumps and I was like, there's no

666
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: way we're losing this game, Like, we just can't lose

667
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: this game. And uh, luckily the guys stepped up, man,

668
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: and we tied that thing up to too. Alright, So

669
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: whatever happened in Memphis, I don't care. I know you're

670
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: coaching again. The question I have for you early in

671
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: this season two thousand seventeen, the beginning of two thousand

672
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: eighteen season two, you get fired from Memphis, you know,

673
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: which was so early in the season, which is crazy

674
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: for any coach to happen. It's crazy for a young

675
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: coach who was sort of you know, uh you know

676
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: under pat Riley and sort of has the pedigree, um,

677
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, to have this happen. How do you and

678
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: how did you sort of turn off? Like how long

679
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 1: did it take for you to sort of like because

680
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: there must have been a shock, how long did it

681
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: take for you go like, oh shit, like I've busted

682
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: my ask for this many years and it's happening. It's

683
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 1: not only happening, this is bullshit. This is some bullshit.

684
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: Like it's not like I'm getting fired at the end

685
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: of the year. We've we've we've sucked for four years.

686
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm not meant to be a coach, Like, how do

687
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: you turn them the muscle laws? It was. It was

688
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: definitely outer body experience for me, because you gotta think

689
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: it's been I probably have been coaching twenty one years

690
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: in my life straight through, never out of work, never

691
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: not working, always doing something. And you know it, it

692
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: took me fourteen butts to lose my job, so you know,

693
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: I was one is humbling as hell, you know. You know,

694
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: whether you whether you want to blame other people or

695
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: however you want to look at it, it's humbling. And

696
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: it's nothing wrong with being humbled. Um. You know, my

697
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: grandfathers tell me that a whole the time, humble yourself,

698
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: and so that was the first part of it. Um.

699
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: But I don't know if i've even turned off. Um.

700
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: I've really tried to train myself to not look at

701
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: things it's good and bad, you know, because you don't

702
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: know what it's gonna lead to. You don't know the

703
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: result of a situation. So you know, me going through

704
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: this situation and being fired, I'm grateful to Memphis. I'm

705
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: grateful to the city. I'm grateful to those players because

706
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: they allowed me to grow and learn. And who knows

707
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: what this is gonna turn into after this, you know.

708
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: And so I just, you know, I had a few

709
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: days where I was dark, you know, and I was

710
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: going to your dungeon and into your cave, and uh,

711
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, I got some I got some news that

712
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: really picked me up about It was a few weeks

713
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: afterwards and uh uh the head of the Civil Rights

714
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: Museum UM hit me up, Terry Freeman, with a text

715
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: saying that that Memphis was bringing down, uh the Confederate

716
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: statues that we have worked really hard to get taken down.

717
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: And it just put things into perspective for me that,

718
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: you know what, I made some kind of impact. I

719
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: was a part of something. I did something that will

720
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: leave a mark in that city and connect me to

721
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: that city no matter what. And it picked me up,

722
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: and they like really just got me back to like, Okay,

723
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: go start meeting with people. Start me with coaches when

724
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: they come into town, Go out and see teams. Go

725
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: meet with people that you never expected you would meet with,

726
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, leaders of different fields. UM. And I just

727
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: got after it and just started you know, got my

728
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: body moving because my wife was about to kill me,

729
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: and so I was like, yeah, I gotta get out

730
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: of the house and she's gonna strangle me and start

731
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: making me do stuff I really don't want to do.

732
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: When you have that time off and you cool for

733
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: twenty one years, and obviously without saying it's understanding basketball

734
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: something you adore, you love it, Yes, part of my

735
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: breathing apparatus, and you'd be, you know, for twenty one years,

736
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: like it's it's almost like Pavlov's bell this time of

737
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: the year, you're part of basketball, whether it was going

738
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: back to when you were assistant matter you know. So,

739
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: so how are you watching the NBA and also knowing

740
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: that you want to coach again, Like what have you

741
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: been able to sort of step back like if you

742
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: able to learn and or or do you not even

743
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: watch as much? I don't watch as much. As crazy

744
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: as that sounds. I actually have been going back through

745
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: film and things that I've been interested in from other

746
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: teams on my laptop and just digging back into like

747
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: classic film not I've been watching the NBA and just

748
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: staying so I can stay up to up to part

749
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: on what's going on, but I haven't been watching it religiously.

750
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: I've literally been going back through oh edits offensive ideas

751
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: that I had thought of that I really wanted to study,

752
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: you know, different coaches offensive systems like Scott Skiles and

753
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: people like that who are kind of out but they

754
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: ran good stuff and I never really had time to

755
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: dig into that kind of film, And so I've done

756
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: that with defenses. You know, I really dove into, uh,

757
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, just recently because you know, I don't know

758
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: if you saw, but last summer I spent you know,

759
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: two weeks with Larry Brown. Unbelievable. You know, you end

760
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: up realizing how much you don't know why is he

761
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: because it's the details. He doesn't miss anything. He can

762
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: be talking to you over here and he's seen five

763
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: or six things that should have been coached by your

764
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: assistant coaches. And so what he was doing is he

765
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: was tightening up my operation for me and walking around

766
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: the gym and how you should be coaching this right

767
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: now and what are you looking at and like just

768
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: coaching my coaches. And it was just an incredible experience. So,

769
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, those type of things I think when you

770
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: spend time with people are like that. That's what like

771
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: that gets me going, you know what I mean. That's

772
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: like when I get to spend time with Pat and

773
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: and you know older coaches who have have really they

774
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: what do they say? They've forgotten more than we've ever learned.

775
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: That it ignited men. So he came out and not

776
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: just so. What I started doing recently is I got

777
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: into my Detroit Pistons film his error, and you know

778
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: when I was Chauncey and she and Ben Wallace and

779
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: Tay Shawan and Rip and all of those guys, and

780
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: then they brought those two bulldogs Lindsey Hunter and Mike

781
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: James off the bench and they sucked them on you

782
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: and they because what I'm trying to get them. And

783
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: then I got into his Philly film of his Philly

784
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: teams with AI when I was the only guy on

785
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: the court that could score, but you couldn't score against them.

786
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: And because the reason I did is because if I

787
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: do get back soon, how do I beat the best?

788
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna outscore Houston and Golden State. That's just

789
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: not realistic no matter what team I take, I just

790
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: don't realistically see that happening where I'm just gonna walk

791
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 1: into a team that can outscore them. So I gotta

792
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: have a defense that's number one. And so I really

793
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: dove into the best defenses in the league and just

794
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: really tried to spend my time locked into learning from

795
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: the best. So when you watch Larry Brown teams, you know,

796
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: signature teams of the Philly teams with AI and the

797
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: Kem Bay and the Detroit team you just mentioned, can

798
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: you clearly see that's a Larry Brown coach team. What

799
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: is it like you know that you could describe, like

800
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: obviously we can't see it, Like, what is it that

801
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: you could describe specifically just right out the gate that

802
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: the level of competition, Now, how hard they're playing, are

803
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: they're playing, the fact, how much contact they're making with

804
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: their opponent. The minute you touch the ball, they're picking

805
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: you up full court. The minute you try to bust

806
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: to get the ball and create a lead to catch it,

807
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: they're denying that, making you go somewhere else. You cut

808
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: through the lane, you're getting hit, you're getting bumped, you

809
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: getting touched, Like, there's no way you're gonna go through

810
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: the lane without feeling some content when they foil you.

811
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: It's real, it's not dirty, maybe a little bit, but

812
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: it's real and that is what you see. And they

813
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: don't make, you know, coverage mistakes, they don't make communication

814
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: must aches. So it's team. Larry's teams communicated at the

815
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 1: highest levels, especially once they got Rashid. Oh my god.

816
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: You know, he's the biggest mouth in the league. I

817
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: hope he's listening. Big mouth, but but he, uh, he

818
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: would talk everybody into position on that team. Oh my god,

819
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: it was he was the difference in that team winning

820
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: the title, the injection they needed. And you know, credit

821
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: to Joe Dumars and those guys for seeing that and

822
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: being able to say, this is exactly what this team

823
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: needs to put us over the top. And so you know,

824
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: that's when you know it's a Larry Brown team. Way

825
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: they talked, the way they execute their defense, and then

826
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: the way they finished their possessions. You're never gonna get

827
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: an open, clean look off of them. They're gonna contest

828
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: everything and then they're getting one shot and they're gone.

829
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: And they just all through his career. If you watch

830
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: any of his teams through college to pro, they all

831
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: had that same intensity. Now Larry Brown with the Philly

832
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: teams like the years I can't remember, like the AI

833
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: when they obviously shock and Kobe years. Is that what

834
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: they were under man But I mean that was like

835
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: a triumph of the spirit. And then Detroit. Now is

836
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: that style of basketball because you just mentioned Golden State? Uh, Houston,

837
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: Houston's like almost like what the hell is going on here?

838
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: Is that style of basketball that you're studying and looking

839
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: at what it apply today? Yeah? Defensively it does. It's

840
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: it's just can you tweak it to where, Okay, we'll

841
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: switch these situations so that we're not scrambling around trying

842
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: to keep up with these three points shooting teams. Uh,

843
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we we won't rotate here. We'll just

844
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: stunt out a guy and keep ourselves out of rotation here.

845
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's just a little tweaks to the system

846
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: that makes it more relevant to today. I think it's

847
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: the offensive style that you always have to be mindful of,

848
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: is can you keep up and keep the scoring up

849
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: to a pace that that you have a chance to

850
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: win games. That's where I don't think you could take

851
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: the air out of the ball. I don't think you

852
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: could play a slowdown game anymore. You keep you don't

853
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: think you could win playing slow down, not not at

854
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: the highest level, not a guess who's playing. I just

855
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: don't see. I don't think there's a team that that

856
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: that's together today, even with full health. I don't think

857
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: there's a team that can beat the best in our

858
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: league right now. Do you think that, like when Golden

859
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: State finishes their run whatever five six years um, and

860
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: you know how whatever happens with Houston, that this will

861
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: always be the blueprint to win. You have to shoot threes.

862
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: It has to be running gun like Houston. Or will

863
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: it ever go back to or will the players dictate

864
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: that like or where's this the style of basketball that

865
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: will win forever? And let's the rules change. I'd just

866
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: be really surprised to see it go back. Um. I

867
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: know everything kind of comes back full circle. But man,

868
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: I don't just just the skill level of these kids. Now,

869
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about senators like Joel and b

870
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, call Anthony Towns, Anthony Davis. These guys come

871
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: into the league already being the fastest guy on the court.

872
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: They can they can jump over everybody, and they shoot threes.

873
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's if that's the evolution of the five man,

874
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: and that's just continuing to go in that direction. I

875
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: don't see how it slows down anytime soon. You see

876
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: it saying so, you know, because look at that. If

877
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: that's what the fives are doing, look at what the guards,

878
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: the guards are all, Steff, look at the kid in

879
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: college now, Trey Young, you know, I mean, Steph, you

880
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: can't say that that wasn't influenced. Absolutely no. It's like

881
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: you can't say when you watch Kobe Bryant there wasn't

882
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: a Jordan influence there, of course, you know. And so

883
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: that's what's happening, is these kids are watching this generation

884
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: the Katies, the Steps, the Lebrons and their patent in

885
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: their game. I think the Kyrie Irvings. You're gonna start

886
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: seeing a generation the kids finishing around the hoop in

887
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: a way that we've never seen before because they're watching Kyrie.

888
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: In fact, I teach my guys, and you can ask people.

889
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: We started in Miami and it's a lot of teams

890
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: that do it. Everybody has their way of doing it,

891
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: but we teach finishing off the wrong foot with the

892
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: wrong hand, using the board, mastering the board all different angles,

893
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: um until it becomes fundamental. Now how do you teach it?

894
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: And like, well, obviously what Kyrie is doing, he's taking

895
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: everything from what Roder strickling, Isaiah Thomas, Zeke Thomas too,

896
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: I mean going back to Nate tiny Archiball to what

897
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: Doc was doing, and I mean Cyrie's like he mastered

898
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: the whole thing. You put it all together. And you know,

899
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: like if we were talking the other day, like they

900
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: called the euro step. Dr j used to do that,

901
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: but it was crazy and you know, like so so

902
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: you actually teach that. Yeah, we teach it. We teach it.

903
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: We teach the euro step. We teach it off of

904
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: both legs so you can be able to do it

905
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: right to left, left to right. Um, you know, we

906
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: teach popping the ball out like James Harden so yet

907
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: you draw fouls and keep the ball away and that's

908
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: the you know. Jim Boylan was assistant coach with Chicago Bulls,

909
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: was the first one that taught me that. He used

910
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: to do it with Stevie Franchise and Continuo Mobile in Houston,

911
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: and it would totally clicked with me because how he

912
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: put it was you work on your jump shot all day,

913
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: but no one spends time on their finishes and most

914
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: of your shots are happening around the basket. And so

915
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: I just really dove into that and it clicked with

916
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: me when he taught me that about seventeen years ago,

917
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: uh um, and I just started working with it and

918
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: playing with it and watching how guys moved and thought

919
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: about how I played when I was a player, and

920
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: because I was a slow guard, so I used to

921
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: have to do layups off the wrong leg to just

922
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: get my shot off. And I just started trying to

923
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: make it into my own fundamental. And when I got

924
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: was spoke, he saw it exactly the same way, and

925
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: we literally built a program around how to make layups

926
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: in different ways and different angles. And what about d Wade?

927
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: Like you know, obviously James Harden that particular sort of

928
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: thing that he does. You know Dane Wade, I mean,

929
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: Doc was doing it. You know, he was started going

930
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: over time. But what about d Wade because he was

931
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: doing this sort of like instead of going forward, its

932
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: sideways and sideways forward, you know, the did you talk

933
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: like work with him on it? And when he opened

934
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: to it. When I first got there, he walked in

935
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: the gym and I was teaching the young guys the

936
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: Euro step. And I had already known that he was

937
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: doing that in games naturally, and so uh when I started,

938
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: he goes, man, you know that's what I do. I said, yeah,

939
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: I said, I like to teach guys how to do it.

940
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: He said, you can't teach what what I do. I said, yeah,

941
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: I can, I said, I said, jump in. And so

942
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: all the guys were doing it, but I had it

943
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: where they were playing keep away like James Harden. And

944
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: so the next time when he did it, I didn't

945
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: coach him. And as soon as he took his step

946
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: back across the lane, he brought the ball back tell

947
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 1: me I stripped him. And I said, so I can't

948
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: teach you something about the two step. He said, yes

949
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: you can. And from that moment it was like he

950
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: helped me morph it and helped spoke morphin and turn

951
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: it into something that was just like you know, it

952
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: seemed complicated, but it was. It was very fundamental, right,

953
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: And that was my marriage counselor used to say to me,

954
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: to me and my wife is simple but not simplistic, right,

955
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: and did marriage that I don't know about the Euro

956
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,959
Speaker 1: step of marriage. I can't speak on the Euro step.

957
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: But I can speak on so d Wade. I mean,

958
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: we could do a whole podcast just on the special guy.

959
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: This thing that happened in the terrible shooting. You know,

960
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: d Wade, he may play next year, he may not

961
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: play next year. He was in Chicago. Then he's uh,

962
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: he goes to Cleveland. It doesn't work. This terrible incident

963
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: happens down in Florida. Uh. D Wade throws back the

964
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: hands of time. What is it about him that's I think,

965
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: I say, that's something you cannot give a player. You

966
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: know how you always talk about it, said, you can't

967
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: give a player heart. You can't give a player that.

968
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 1: You cannot give a player that. I want the ball

969
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: in that moment and understand the moment. First off, Hey,

970
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: this moment needs this is a moment that's happening. This

971
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: moment needs somebody to step into it and take it.

972
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: And he understands that better than any player I've ever coached. Um,

973
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, even more than Lebron. Like Lebron grew into

974
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: it and really like morphed into that. But the way

975
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: just had it, and you saw it early on in

976
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: his career, even in college, Like he could just take

977
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: a game over in a way, um and understand like

978
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: what was needed in a way like I had never

979
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: seen in that moment in Florida. Was like this guy

980
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: he was in Cleveland and somehow it worked out that

981
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: he was back in Miami before this happens and this

982
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: kid was buried in his jersey and for him to

983
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: understand that this is what his city needed. They needed

984
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: that inspiration, they needed to be lifted up and to

985
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: be able to execute it. That's Uh, that's special. And

986
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: I don't know how you give guys that. I don't

987
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: know what parents teach their kids. I don't know what

988
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: a kid has to go through, but he has it

989
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: and it is part of his DNA to guardens. Where

990
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: does d Wade rank in terms of I think top

991
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: three Michael Michael, Kobe him. I mean, obviously I'm throwing

992
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: them above. If you want to call Jerry West and

993
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: and guys like that too, is I understand it. But

994
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: I just think that for what he's done, three championships finals,

995
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: m v p uh, he's gonna have a statue on

996
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: on Biscamp Boulevard there not yet, He's gonna be the one.

997
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's a young organization yeah. He overall is

998
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: is if you look at the big scheme of it

999
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: this it was an expansion team and so you know,

1000
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: they don't have statues yet, but they have three championships

1001
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: and it's teams that's been around this league a long time.

1002
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: I feel like you're making a Knicks joke there, Like

1003
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: I feel like you didn't really like you know, like

1004
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: that's what you know. They're young, so they don't have statues.

1005
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: I got big respect for the Dicks. You kidding me, man,

1006
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: that's history right now, I know. But it's like you

1007
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: didn't like I felt like there was just like a

1008
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: little punched to punch to it. I'm gonna ask you

1009
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: right now. I'm gonna put you on the spot. Can

1010
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: this be part one of another podcast you come back again?

1011
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: Can I already invite you for you come on with boys? Okay?

1012
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: Because I can't kicking it. I felt like at the

1013
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: carib but I like barely put on clothes, like this

1014
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: is what I slept in. Yes, you just uber over.

1015
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: If if the coach was seen like this, there would

1016
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: be you, kid, this is like not coach coach, Like

1017
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: if you saw this dude here, you'd be like, yo,

1018
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: what's not this high with my players. It's just I'd

1019
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: never try to act above them or bigger than them.

1020
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: I try to connect to them. Obviously I have to

1021
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: be the person that holds them accountable, but it doesn't

1022
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: mean it's always got to be combative. And and you know,

1023
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: you and me and you over here and I'm over here,

1024
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm coach your players. You know, I'd like to have

1025
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: a relationship with these guys. But how do you balance that?

1026
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: Because you know, when when I met you, I met

1027
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: I met Dave at a party overall Star break, and

1028
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: I just heard the way you would like, the way

1029
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: you greeted, the way you ran into him. If I

1030
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: was already like I love this dude, but I was like,

1031
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: this is I would you would never hear other coaches

1032
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: like that's your dude, like you your friends. How do

1033
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: you balance that when you go back into the league

1034
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: where you know, obviously Dwayne is older, so and you

1035
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: guys sort of grew up together, so there is that

1036
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: sort of like where your guards are down and you

1037
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: don't need him to sort of show you the respect.

1038
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: But how do you how are you gonna balance that

1039
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: when you go forward to being a cool dude, it

1040
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: was one. But see, but the thing that that people

1041
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: don't understand is our relationship is based in respect. It's

1042
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: it's yeah, we're cool, but he knows, like when we

1043
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: stepped in that gym, it was, man, we gotta want

1044
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: a title. So our friendship for now is here, and

1045
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: let me coach you, and I'm never gonna come unprepared,

1046
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: and I'm always gonna tell you the things that you

1047
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: need to hear, not what you want to hear. And

1048
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: the fact that I would always do that with them always,

1049
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, Spo was always like that with them, You

1050
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: know that to a point where the respect was there

1051
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: and they knew that they can come back at us

1052
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be personal in arguing all the time.

1053
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: You guys will argue all the time. I'm so I'm

1054
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: just happy Udanna's has m never punched me out right

1055
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: on the sideline, because it was times me and him

1056
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: would be going at it. Realistically, we were saying the

1057
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: same stuff, but it was just from a players that

1058
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: point of view, on the coach this point of view.

1059
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: But we'd be fired up over there, man, I mean,

1060
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: you remember the playoffs, d Wade and spoke, We're going

1061
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 1: out of the Indiana, the next guy would come back.

1062
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: You wouldn't even know it happened because it was It

1063
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: was built out of competition and the thrill of the

1064
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: competition and understanding that we just had to win titles.

1065
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: And you know, out of that you spend so much

1066
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: time together. You get to know each other's families. You know,

1067
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: you're there for guys when they go through real stuff,

1068
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, custody battles, you know, divorces and death. And

1069
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, I was with the guy for almost ten

1070
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: years and so and you went for being forty basically,

1071
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, and that relationship over time with all of

1072
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: those guys just became family, you know. And and you

1073
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: know now to the point where we vacation together and

1074
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: our wives are friends. Got you, you know, all of

1075
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: our kids are friends. My son calls them uncle I got.

1076
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: You know, when he sees Lebron, his uncle Lebron as

1077
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: uncle Wade, and it's you know, but you had to

1078
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: It was built on respect. It wasn't built on Hey,

1079
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kis your ass and then we're all cool

1080
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: and you get to do whatever you want to do.

1081
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: You don't get back on defense. I'm gonna be the

1082
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: first one up your ass, you know. And so that's

1083
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: where they realized, all right, this dude ain't letting us

1084
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: off the hook, and so let's just listen to what

1085
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: he's got to say. But at the same time, they

1086
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: knew they can go off and I listened, I'd hear it.

1087
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take it as personal, and we move on.

1088
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: And that's why we ended up now to even to

1089
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: this day, we're also close Lebron James. I obviously I

1090
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: would never try to argue his greatness and everything he's done.

1091
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: Who's the hardest working player you've ever seen. Yeah, I

1092
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: don't know what don't we see because we see at

1093
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: this's what we see all this crazy ship. I mean,

1094
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: you know he and as much as I break his balls,

1095
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: he can't win. He says something, we break his balls,

1096
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: he doesn't say something we break his balls. You know,

1097
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: it's he can't win. None of these players coin because

1098
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: it's crazy because these NBA players, all of them, and

1099
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,959
Speaker 1: now he's, you know, a veteran. They're living in seven

1100
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: reality show. If they talk shoot on the court, it's

1101
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: not in the game. It'll wind up on Instagram. Like

1102
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he's sort of the he's the he's the

1103
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: epicenter of it all. Where he's at now though, he's

1104
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: in a place now that the you know, he's got

1105
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: the monkey off of his back, and so he doesn't

1106
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: have to give a damn about what anybody says, me, you,

1107
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: any of the media. He doesn't have to care about

1108
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: that now. He's still going to handle himself professionally. He's

1109
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: gonna go about it every day the right way. But

1110
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: I just think what you're seeing now and what you're

1111
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: probably saying, you know, over the last probably four or

1112
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: five years, once he won that title, was just a

1113
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: more confident, secure, short human being. And what people don't

1114
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: see is that he's it's not many minutes of his

1115
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: day that he's sitting on his ass. What is he doing.

1116
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: He's doing He's lifting, he's doing pilates, he's doing yoga,

1117
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: he's riding his bike, he's in the gym, shooting, he's

1118
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: he's either he's doing treatment, he's watching film. He's always

1119
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: trying to improve and stay. That's the number one player

1120
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: in the world, and he's always trying to put himself

1121
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: in a position to win championships. When when you say, right,

1122
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: his bike like what so, like, you know, people knew

1123
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,919
Speaker 1: about this back in Miami, but you know you're been

1124
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: I'll be pulling in the work some days and and

1125
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: I'd see this six nine dude and like you know,

1126
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: bike clothes like the tight and the tight shirts and

1127
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: and the shades and the helmet and and he starts

1128
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: taking off his gear. He takes his and it's lebron

1129
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: underneath this bike gear and he's he's rode his speed

1130
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: bike in to exercise from home to the gym and

1131
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: the regular highway like regular highway, best came Boulevard, got

1132
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: his head down. People don't know it's him. He's just

1133
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: flying down the street like like when these guys are

1134
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: the tour of the friends. And that's how he would

1135
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: get like that was like a little workout for him.

1136
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: Now he would just he would just hop on his

1137
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: bike and do stuff like that. But that's how he

1138
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: was built, man. And then he would always end up

1139
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: being it was very few days that he wasn't one

1140
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: of the first people in the building and wanted to

1141
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: last to leave. You know, He's just that's how he's

1142
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: And then the last part about it, where people don't

1143
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: the guy is a smart dude, he's always reading, learning, studying,

1144
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: like outside of basketball, he's he's so when he was

1145
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: reading the Harry Potter books, that wasn't just so I'm

1146
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: reading the Howry remember where I think it was. He

1147
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: might have been king. Yeah, he reads everything. He reads

1148
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: business books, he reads you know, Harry Potter stuff, he

1149
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: reads leadership stuff. But he's always feeding his brain all

1150
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: the time. He's feeding his brain. And so that's where,

1151
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: at least for the time that I've spent with with

1152
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: him and been around great players, that to me is

1153
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: what makes him different than anybody I've ever seen. You know,

1154
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: you've heard about the work ethic of Jordan and Kobe

1155
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: and all of those guys. So I wasn't around him,

1156
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: but they got legendary stuff. To Kobe in the summer,

1157
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: was every morning four thirty five am having these private workouts,

1158
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: and you know, guys would be dropping out of the

1159
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: workout and Kobe would still be going. You know, Jordan

1160
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: was the kind of guy that could go out with

1161
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: the guys all night. And you know if you saw

1162
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: him that night, the next day he beat you in

1163
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: the gym and you're like, wait a minute, I just

1164
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: saw you. You were having drinks with your buddies, but

1165
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: you're in here and you beat me to work. Like

1166
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: That's the kind of Jordan was. So when you talk

1167
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: about greatness, I think that that one ingredient has to

1168
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: be a part of it. But I don't know if

1169
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: he worked hard it than him. I just know he

1170
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: worked harder than everybody I had been around. I got

1171
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: you and that Miami Heat team. I mean, there was

1172
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: so much. I mean, it was just like there should

1173
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: be a documentary just on the decision to win, going

1174
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: back just when he went to there to when he left,

1175
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: and you were there for the whole the whole thing.

1176
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: We saw the whole thing up close. All right, let

1177
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 1: me ask you just pick pick questions. Did you find

1178
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: out Lebron James was going to the Miami Heat the

1179
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: same way everybody else did know? I was one of

1180
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,439
Speaker 1: the first people to know. You knew before the Jim

1181
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: Gray disaster. I knew before all of that, because how

1182
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: do you know? Because I'm with the Wade and so

1183
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: the way and I was at Prime one twelve. He

1184
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: rented out of the Steakhouse. Steakhouse on the beach, that's

1185
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: our spot. We he rented out the back room, invited

1186
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: all our friends, family, whatever for the decision. And this

1187
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: is you know, we're there two hours before or whatever,

1188
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: and the Way has got his phone right there. So

1189
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: we're sitting there. They got this on film. We're sitting

1190
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: there and and we get a text, you know, right

1191
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: before he tells goes out to tell everybody, I'm coming

1192
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: to South Beach and me and He'll look at each

1193
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: other that he walks up there and he does the

1194
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: Jim Gray the whole deal, and no one else knew

1195
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: other than I mean, so his close people knew, I'm sure,

1196
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: but in our group, it wasn't very very few people

1197
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: knew that that was going through. And the first year,

1198
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys were at their peak. Bosh, who

1199
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: we like, sort of like forgot about his great East.

1200
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, put Bookt and Lebron and Wade, they

1201
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: come down there. Everybody. I'm on the front lines of it.

1202
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 1: I can't stand this damn team. They were easy to hate. Yeah,

1203
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: we were easy to he especially after we did the

1204
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,959
Speaker 1: oh the whole not one, not two, not three, not four,

1205
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: not five, not six, not seven. I was like, he's crazy,

1206
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: but it takes balls. He knew what he was doing.

1207
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: He's just putting pressure on himself. I like it. I

1208
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: like guys that ain't afraid. I think, you know, these

1209
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: guys get a lot of criticism for chasing championships and

1210
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: leaving their team and do this. I think it takes balls.

1211
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: I think because now you have to win it. Kevin

1212
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: Durant had to win it, right, you know what I mean,

1213
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: Like you're talking about, I got I'm leaving this team

1214
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: that was in the Western Conference finals against this team

1215
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: and I'm leaving to go play with you have to

1216
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: win it now, and that takes You're putting all the

1217
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: chips in there. And I thought Lebron did that twice

1218
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: twice and did it and he did it, so you

1219
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: know that's where that's where you know, I know people

1220
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: see them in all of these different lights. I looked

1221
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: through all of that and I said, man, how hard

1222
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: that had to be to do what he did and

1223
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: to actually accomplish it in both places. You know, That's

1224
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: that to me is to be marveled at. Do you

1225
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: But you grew up in you know, you're watching eighties basketball,

1226
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: nineties basketball, early two thousands of basketball, Larry Brown, you know,

1227
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: and obviously this conversation is another one. I'm and sick

1228
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: of it also, But like now it's like almost like

1229
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,439
Speaker 1: you have to be a part of the banana boat.

1230
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: You have to be friends with these dudes. You have

1231
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: to be part of the cool kids click to click

1232
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: up and win. Like what's gonna happen to the Orlando Magic?

1233
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: You know what's gonna happen to you know the landscape

1234
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: of the other leads that maybe they aren't friends. Maybe

1235
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: you know Porzingis, you know, he grew up in you know,

1236
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 1: in Europe. He doesn't know these guys, he didn't play

1237
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: au with them. It all, it all shifts, um. You know,

1238
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: I think you know, the draft always dictates a lot

1239
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: of time where talent ends up. You know, so again

1240
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: a port Zingis, Um, you know here he is in

1241
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: New York. This is where he ended up. New York's

1242
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: a great market. Port Zingis comes back healthy, They keep

1243
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: building the team the right way around him. A free

1244
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: agent will look at that situation to say, that's something

1245
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: I want to be a part of. Guys aren't just

1246
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 1: running to go play with their buddies as much just

1247
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: to play with their buddies. If they think I might

1248
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: not get shots. I might not get the playing time

1249
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 1: or the the of Stege or whatever. So there is

1250
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: a balance to it. You know, they're not just saying

1251
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go jump on his team and give

1252
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: up sacrifice all of this other stuff. You know. So

1253
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, those teams have a chance to build, and

1254
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of getting the right combination of

1255
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: of GM president, coach together with the right vision and

1256
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: you draft the right young talent. You start attracting you know,

1257
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 1: those fringe free agents. I got those good veteran players

1258
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: that still can really help your young guys grow. Next thing,

1259
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: you know, you're winning, you're in the playoffs, and you

1260
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,759
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to hit one of those free agents.

1261
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: You've built relationships with an agent or maybe you've just

1262
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 1: created a great atmosphere. Um, that's how you start reeling

1263
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 1: them in. But you also gotta be able to pitch it.

1264
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to sell it to him. And uh,

1265
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 1: you know the Golden State Wars had to sell it

1266
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: to kd Or wasn't just he walked into Golden State.

1267
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: He went to Boston, where here, he went to Miami.

1268
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: He was everywhere, but they had to pitch it you

1269
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: know Pat had to seal that deal with with Lebron

1270
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: Chris Bosh and Dwayne like Dwayne orchestrated behind the scenes,

1271
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: but Pat had to make it like this. This is why,

1272
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,440
Speaker 1: and this is this is why you should sign the paperworkers.

1273
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: So you still have to have some you know. That's

1274
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: why I say the GM coaching owner gotta have the

1275
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: right combination of people that can pitch and recruit. I

1276
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 1: got in my last question about the Miami Heat. You

1277
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: guys beat san Antonio. San Antonio comes back and kicks

1278
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: your answer, and I could be honest, coach, I was

1279
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: fucking no. I wasn't here. I was in my old

1280
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: house and I watched it right here. My father was

1281
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: in his underwear, okay, and I loved it. I love you.

1282
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: I who banged on him? Somebody knocked them down and

1283
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 1: that was the play that ended five games. It was

1284
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: done the us. My father watching it was he was nuts.

1285
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: He was eighty. We went crazy. Now let me and

1286
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: that's why just I know the pain, it's doesn't go away.

1287
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: You've moved on. You coached that. That moment of my

1288
01:10:55,400 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: joy is your misery of my life. Okay, why don't

1289
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: you re up you beat we beat you. We just

1290
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: kicked You're asking five games easy, beat the ship out

1291
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: of you. Why don't you re up? Like it's like

1292
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: do we I mean, do weyne? We sort of lost

1293
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: the step, but then he didn't lose the step. Lebron's

1294
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: a fucking beast. He hasn't lost the step. Chris Bosh Like,

1295
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 1: I think it was calling him home, man, I think

1296
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, I don't think it was the city, Like,

1297
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: don't look at it as like a resort town resort.

1298
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: This is where he grew up. These are the people

1299
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: that he looked in the face every day, his neighbors,

1300
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: his you know, his childhood friends, business owners whose business

1301
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: is plummeted. Did the state of Ohio's revenue plummeted when

1302
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: he left there? They're economic situation just from one person leaving,

1303
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: and that weighed on him. And people don't understand that,

1304
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: like that stuff he carries and cares about, that's real.

1305
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: That's not you're not just not like that's he pays attention.

1306
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: This is a smart guy. This guy knows business, he

1307
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: knows community. So he understood like like what the impact

1308
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: was of him leaving, and that stuck with him and

1309
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: you know, he had two titles we lost that year.

1310
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: Was we all pissed at him at first? Hell? Yeah,

1311
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,560
Speaker 1: we all wanted to keep the ship going. You know,

1312
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: we wanted to keep the thing rolling, and we wanted

1313
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: to get back and sant it's audio. But you know,

1314
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: he's a man and he has to make that decision,

1315
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: and that's not an easy decision. And and you know,

1316
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: I was just happy to see him not only get

1317
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: back there, but to get back there and win that title.

1318
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: If they don't win any more titles there, you know,

1319
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: that title was worth probably four for them, you know

1320
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, that's that. And just to have

1321
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: your native son come back and do it and in

1322
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 1: dramatic fashion, man, come on, it was like one of

1323
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: the most exciting things you've ever seen. And and and

1324
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: as a basketball fan, you know, forget my loyalties and

1325
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 1: who I love and all that stuff, just as a

1326
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: fan to watch that all take place was just awesome. Now,

1327
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: when I bring up that series vers San Antonio painful

1328
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: and then the year before relationship, how deep is your

1329
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: memory If I said to you game like, are you

1330
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: able to cut a deep? Yeah? Because they burn in

1331
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: your head because you watch you gotta understand like when

1332
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 1: you in the playoffs, you usually only have like a

1333
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: day between sometimes two. The amount of times you watch

1334
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: that game you just played over and over and over

1335
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: before you watch before you play that next game, those

1336
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: plays start to burn into your head and how many

1337
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: edits you watch and then they start accumulating. So you say,

1338
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: you in game five, when you're not just watching game four,

1339
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 1: you're watching you're going back to game too to see

1340
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 1: if it's something back in game two that can help you.

1341
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: You're going back to game one to see if it's

1342
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: something defensively you get it you did against him, duncan

1343
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 1: that might work. You're hunting, and so these plays end

1344
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: up becoming like you know, like just burned in your memory. Um,

1345
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure some stuff I forgot, but yeah,

1346
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: it's a lot of times I see the guys and

1347
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: we'll be joking, like Chris Boas was. We was in

1348
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: the studio at UH at Bristol during the ESPs stuff

1349
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: and he goes, man, you remember that play against the

1350
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: Spurs And I said, yeah, it was the second quarter

1351
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 1: of that and we both just started laughing because it's

1352
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 1: just you do. You go through it and you and

1353
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: you dream it. That's the other thing. Absolutely, so like

1354
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: we we both said it a sport up. We laughed.

1355
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: After we beat the Spurs and the series was over. Um.

1356
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: The next day, I jumped out of bed like in

1357
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: a defensive stance because I was trying. I was literally

1358
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: like getting ready to play Game eight and get ready

1359
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: for Game eight and like I gotta prepare and I

1360
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: gotta do all this stuff. And I was literally watching

1361
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: the game in my head like the series was still going.

1362
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 1: And then I woke up and I'm standing up and

1363
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: my girl, she was my girlfriend at the time, my

1364
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: future wife, looks at me. She goes, what are you doing.

1365
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,600
Speaker 1: You're lucky she married you, right, she thought nuts, And

1366
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: I go bad. I gotta get ready. I gotta get

1367
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 1: ready for She goes, bang you you guys want it?

1368
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, like literally like

1369
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 1: I was like ready to go. Expo was having the

1370
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: same kind of episodes where it was like you're literally

1371
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: dream and dream of dreaming, and then you get up

1372
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, all right, we gotta do this, and

1373
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: we gotta do this against uh Tony Parker and man

1374
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: who we gotta And then all of a sudden, it's

1375
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: like ship the series over. That's crazy. It's real though,

1376
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: because you're so locked in, you know, you so locked

1377
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: this probably like you're getting ready for a character in

1378
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: the movie and all you do is train your brain

1379
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: to beat this human being that's not you know, for

1380
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: really isn't. You're just in this robotic mode of being

1381
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: becoming something and you can't get out of it. You

1382
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: probably think about it all day and so that's wild though,

1383
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: that you physically had, like you physically got of. Like

1384
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm telling I guarantee you as basketball guys coaches out

1385
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: there that I hear this that I say, yep, I

1386
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: know exactly that felt, especially when you're in the battle

1387
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: battle like is he to a you know, the final

1388
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 1: four stuff for like a hard Fall series against Indiana,

1389
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: go six games or something, and like you wake up

1390
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 1: that next day and you think you're still playing that team.

1391
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 1: I love that. That's crazy. That's what the competition does

1392
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: to you, man. And that's the part that I love

1393
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: and I'm missing right now. That's what I'm dying. I'm

1394
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: dying that that feeling is the one thing that's been

1395
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: poured away out of all of the stuff, you know,

1396
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: the camaraderie and the relationships. It's the competition that I miss,

1397
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 1: you know, I love it. I love that. Okay, when

1398
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,560
Speaker 1: did your basketball playing career stop? And when did you

1399
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: start thinking you're gonna be a basketball career stopped? When

1400
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 1: I was done with college and you played out of

1401
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 1: played at I played at the University of San Diego.

1402
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: I had some opportunities to go play overseas. UM, I

1403
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,799
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to go play Division two of France,

1404
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: and uh, two of my buddies got sent home from

1405
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: France without their money. And both of these guys could score.

1406
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: And that's what the European League look for. They look

1407
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: for guys that I couldn't score. And so I'm like,

1408
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: am I really about to go over here and get

1409
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: turned around and gets it right back home? You know

1410
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: from doing this, and that I tweaked my back right

1411
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: around the same time I'm sitting here going out, Man,

1412
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: this isn't you know? Your vibe wasn't right? And Mike

1413
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: Brown calls me out of the blue, the top assistant

1414
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: for Golden State coach coach Mike Brown is as one

1415
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: of my mentors, one of my good friends. He played

1416
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: at the University of New York was in New York.

1417
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: He um, it's got probably got a lot of secrets.

1418
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's got a lot of secrets. I don't

1419
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: even want to talk to him. I'm sure he got

1420
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: a lot of damn secrets. He uh. He calls me

1421
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: out of the blue. He was a scout in Washington

1422
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: at the time, and he calls me said, man, I

1423
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: know you you you're not sure about going overseas and

1424
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: all of this. He said, you know, I think you

1425
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 1: might you know, if if basketball doesn't work out, maybe

1426
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: you want to think about being a coach. And you know,

1427
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: I thought, I aimed low. I was like, yeah, one

1428
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:52,879
Speaker 1: day I'll coach high school or you know, typical two

1429
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 1: year old. I wasn't like locked into like I'm gonna

1430
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: be an NBA coach. And he calls Spo. He he

1431
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: has spoke played against each other in college and becoming

1432
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: friends through that. SPO had a guy bail on him

1433
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: at the last second to be his intern. Guy drove

1434
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 1: driving from Texas, turned around at the last second and

1435
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 1: got homesick, and Spoke ended up needing a guy and

1436
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: Spoke was what at this time he is. The video coordinator,

1437
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: which which was the pecking order of what is what

1438
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: he's the his intern is the ship house and he's

1439
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: right above that as the video guy. Okay, so he's

1440
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: so you're you're, you're, you're cleaning the ship house, You're you're, you're,

1441
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: you're dropping off coffees and breaking down as bunch of

1442
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,879
Speaker 1: film as you could possibly imagine. And this is before

1443
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: you could edit stuff on your phone. Baby, Deck to Deck,

1444
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: and you do not want to be a video coordinator

1445
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: for pat Riley and step and Gundy with Deck to

1446
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: Deck those guys. We was in there working all night,

1447
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,759
Speaker 1: low boy, and it was but it ended up working

1448
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 1: out to be the single most important thing that happened

1449
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: to me in my basketball career. Why because that relationship. Yeah,

1450
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: we ended up bonding. It took us half a day

1451
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,839
Speaker 1: to realize that somewhere down the road we were brothers.

1452
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: We don't like the same stuff, we don't go do

1453
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 1: the same things, we don't hang out in the same places.

1454
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: But when it comes to the game and how to

1455
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 1: approach it and being open minded and willing to to

1456
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: look at yourself and grow, and we clicked and we

1457
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: challenged each other and you know, I was only with

1458
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: him a year. I left to go. He had a

1459
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: chance to become his position and he was going to

1460
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,560
Speaker 1: get moved into a scouting position, and I wanted to

1461
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 1: coach on the floor. I was like, I'm done with

1462
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: this video crap these for these walls are closing in

1463
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: on me. I want to coach on the floors. And

1464
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: I got lucky. My college coach brought me back to

1465
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: be an assistant at my college at San Diego, and Uh,

1466
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 1: I was the third assistant there. And then I would

1467
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: say a total of thirteen years. Twelve years later, Spoke

1468
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: gets moved into the head coaching spot because Riley steps down.

1469
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,799
Speaker 1: I'm a instant coach in Atlanta and the first cosspo

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01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 1: makes his he calls me, that's how you found He

1471
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: called you directly. He called me as I'm looking at

1472
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: the ticker and seeing his name go along the ticker,

1473
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: saying that he was just named the head coach of

1474
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: the Miami Heat and my phone's ringing and we're playing

1475
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: against the Celtics. Uh the year the Celtics wanted KG

1476
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: and all of them. I was in Atlanta and we

1477
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 1: were the first round series against him, and I'm sitting

1478
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: in the locker room and Spoke calls me and he says, man,

1479
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: I really hope y'all beat the Celtics. He said, but

1480
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: when it's all over, pack your stuff and you're coming

1481
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 1: to Miami. And that was it. And we never thought

1482
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: we was going to get the Big Three. And you know,

1483
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: but that just going there in nineties seven. I never

1484
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: knew that that relationship was gonna turn into this whole thing.

1485
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: That's that's really the backbone of my whole deal. That's crazy. Yeah,

1486
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: I owed him a lot. And so what is spostal like,

1487
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, like as far as like a basketball coach,

1488
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: Like obviously I don't want to, like, you know, compare

1489
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: him to Larry Brown, but like if you say, you know,

1490
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 1: Spelture is a basketball mind. Serious man, He's he's he

1491
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 1: takes it serious. He he really he doesn't believe in cheating.

1492
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 1: He doesn't believe. He really believes deep down that there's

1493
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: a basketball guy that if you don't tell the team

1494
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: the exact numbers, that's happening, Like I'll fudge the number

1495
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: sometime and I'll lighted the team and say, hey man,

1496
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: we're you're shooting this much more like you know, you

1497
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: guys are doing great, especially if we're down SPO won't.

1498
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: He's the guy integrity to the end. And that's why

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01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: I hold him as such high esteem because he is

1500
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 1: just like no, there's no shortcut in him and it

1501
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 1: comes out in this coaching and you can see it

1502
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 1: in this coaching. And here you got the first you know,

1503
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: Asian American to ever coach professional sports, to be a

1504
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: head coach in the professional sports or second one or

1505
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: something like that. That's unbelievable. First Filipino, du I mean

1506
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: he goes back to the Philippines. This guy is is

1507
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 1: a guy. I mean, he's a rock star. It's like

1508
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: the guy from Journey and spoke Man, journey Man. That's funny.

1509
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: It's real though, like real went over there twice with

1510
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 1: It's real. That's like rocking the bus, rock star stuff,

1511
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: like marching band in the streets stuff. I mean, it's

1512
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: that big and it's so cool to see, man, because

1513
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 1: you know, you just I didn't realize it, but basketball

1514
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: is the number one sport in the Philippines. They love

1515
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: it and it's because so many Americans were stationed over

1516
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: there during the war and so they brought hoop to there.

1517
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: You know, and so Spo was just but what he

1518
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: is is, um, he's a purist. You know, he's gonna

1519
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: keep it real with you. He ain't gonna be as

1520
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 1: you as a player. Um. You know, no one's gonna

1521
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: outwork them. I'll prepare them. I mean, no, no one.

1522
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: You're just not as you might match them, but you're

1523
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: not gonna out prepare them. It's just I'm sorry. Um,

1524
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: you know. And he's fair and that's all you can

1525
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: ask for, you know. And and now you put that

1526
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: together with he's never worked for any other organization. He's

1527
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: only been under greatness his whole tenure. Um, he's only

1528
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 1: coach great players. Even before that, when you go back

1529
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 1: to Tim Hardaway and Alonzo on Keith Askins and that

1530
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: team that Dan Marley, that was the beast talking about

1531
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: chump change there, you know. Um, so now it's just

1532
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 1: his fabrice, it's his DNA. And for me, it was

1533
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 1: just I've been lucky enough to be around somebody like

1534
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: that a big chunk of my career. Pat Riley. I

1535
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: had Doc Rivers on the podcast. Obviously he played under

1536
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: Pat when Pat was nuts in New York. What's the

1537
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 1: best pat Riley is crazy proved to me that Pat

1538
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: Riley is crazy because Doc told me some story about

1539
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:42,719
Speaker 1: like he put his head in a bucket of water

1540
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: before a game, like a legendary story. For sure, that's nuts. Yeah,

1541
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: coaches coach to do what he's gotta do to motivate you,

1542
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 1: like he ain't afraid to like coach. Yeah, that's that's

1543
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: the crazy story I ever heard, was the head and

1544
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 1: the bucket story. Until you can't breathe, this game has

1545
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,759
Speaker 1: to mean so much to you to to your last breath,

1546
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 1: and it comes out basically purple and is everywhere right,

1547
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: and he puts you back and pat you like, holy shit,

1548
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah that's that's but that was Pat and and what

1549
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: you saw on the surface was this, you know, incredibly dressed, handsome,

1550
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, articulate, sharp, tough, all of the things you

1551
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: want to coach like. He was like, if you could

1552
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 1: just look up coaching the dictionary, that's what you want

1553
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:35,560
Speaker 1: coaches to be, is like Pat, you know, but underneath

1554
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 1: he is just a savage competitor. He would I don't

1555
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 1: know what, he would, might hurt a family member seriously

1556
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: to to win, and you know he's just he That's

1557
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: what I just said love being around him, which you

1558
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: just knew he was with you in that trench and

1559
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: he was like it was all chips in and we're

1560
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: going after the title, and I got your back and

1561
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 1: let's do it. And even when you're down, I'm gonna

1562
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: be here picking you up. And so that was the

1563
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: part from me, like that was just so cool to

1564
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 1: be around. And he just you know, I got so

1565
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 1: many stories of him, man, but he just he just

1566
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: had a way about him that always made you feel

1567
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: like it was gonna be all right, you know what

1568
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Like he did he was at that that

1569
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 1: calming presence from the standpoint of when things were chaotic,

1570
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: he can kind of see the light through it and say, hey,

1571
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 1: this is how you're gonna get through it hanging there,

1572
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: you know, and he just knew how to kind of

1573
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: settle everything. But you know, it was days even as

1574
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, when he stepped away as president, he lined

1575
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: us all up on the wall and you know as

1576
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 1: soon as you heard soon his coach came to the

1577
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: gym and you heard that whistle because he didn't carry

1578
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: a whistle, he whistled and he lined the whole team

1579
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: up and all the coaches and all the trainers and

1580
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 1: if if it was something he needed to get off

1581
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: his chest to everybody, everybody, the coaches, everybody's getting it. Everybody.

1582
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 1: We're all in it together. But he doesn't exclude himself.

1583
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 1: I got you, you know what I'm say. He's not saying.

1584
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: It's me over here and you over there. I got you,

1585
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 1: you jack all, suz thisss and you screw up suzz

1586
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 1: thiss AND's we gotta and y'all and here and but

1587
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 1: it's like this to the you know, he cuts to

1588
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: the to the bone marrow. You know, he ain't dancing

1589
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,600
Speaker 1: around anything. And uh, you know, but that was the

1590
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: respect that he had, you know that that he got

1591
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: from us, and that we all had that for him,

1592
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: that he could do that, and he knew it wasn't

1593
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: an everyday thing because it was supposed to him. But

1594
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: he comes spoke. Let me put him on the wall

1595
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: today and supposed to You got him, coach, because will

1596
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: be days. Bo was tired of him. Man, you got

1597
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 1: him like your kids. Put him on the wall today.

1598
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, guys from the heat, no any

1599
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 1: guy in the generations of the heat, they know when

1600
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: you go to that wall, you're about to hear it,

1601
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: so you know, uh, but I was just lucky he was.

1602
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 1: He's even today still, um you know, probably more than

1603
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: anyone I've talked to since I've been out, um as

1604
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 1: I've been talking to Patton and my buddy Chris Grant,

1605
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:03,560
Speaker 1: who used to be the GM in Cleveland, was my

1606
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: college teammate. But Pat has been, you know, my sounding board,

1607
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, on everything I Got you. So he's you know,

1608
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: I hold him. He's you know, he's the guy. He's

1609
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: everything that everything that people say, especially when you with

1610
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:21,719
Speaker 1: them right now, if you outside the walls, you probably

1611
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: hate him, you know what I'm saying. But there's nothing

1612
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: like being a part of under his umbrella. I'm sure

1613
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: it's probably a lot of what sat antone of your guys,

1614
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 1: feel about being with Pop I Got You, or Larry's

1615
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 1: guys feel about being with him. You know, it's it's

1616
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: just a real it's a secure feeling knowing that you're

1617
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: a part of something with that kind of person at

1618
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 1: the him. If I say to you five times in

1619
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: your career as a professional coach, assistant or even head

1620
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 1: when you're when you're ninety, you got grandkids. The most

1621
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 1: impressive things that you saw from opposing teams for not Lebron,

1622
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 1: not d Wade, that you were coaching against where you

1623
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 1: were like almost like you become a fan. Like even

1624
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,799
Speaker 1: whether it's a I going nuts or Kobe or Tracy mcgridey.

1625
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing that I love about your span

1626
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: in the NBA, you were I'll say them all, baby,

1627
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,560
Speaker 1: I say some good stuff. So when I say, like,

1628
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 1: you just remember going oh shit, yeah, Like I know

1629
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily want to go back to like those guys,

1630
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 1: but like I could tell, I want them all. I

1631
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: don't care where you start. I remember stuff like I

1632
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 1: remember d Way being a rookie, right, I was in

1633
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 1: Golden State, So this is he was on the other team, okay,

1634
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 1: And and you're on Golden State when your assistant coach

1635
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: at Golden State. This was two thousand two or three

1636
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 1: or something like that. And we have Calbert Cheney, Nick

1637
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:53,959
Speaker 1: Van nex So, Cliff Robinson, Jason Richardson, Mike Dunlevy, Speedy Claxton.

1638
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 1: We had a good team. Eric dan Pierre was our center,

1639
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 1: and the Way was a rookie and uh muss are

1640
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 1: head coach. Eric Musselman, who's at the University of Nevaderino.

1641
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: Now one of my guys. He's yelling at Calvert Cheney,

1642
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: back off of him. He can't shoot, he can't shoot.

1643
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 1: It was like the playground, and I remember Keith Smart said,

1644
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 1: must you better stop saying that to that kid. You

1645
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: better stop saying that it's gonna come back again. Invite us.

1646
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 1: That game passes, they struggle, We win the game. We

1647
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: go to Miami later that year and he says the

1648
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 1: same thing to d Wade and the kid ended up

1649
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 1: this is rookie year and couldn't shoot. At the time,

1650
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 1: he runs off six straight threes on us, and Smarty look,

1651
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 1: I'll never get keep Smart look back at me, said,

1652
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 1: get ready, he's gonna be one of the greatest players

1653
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: to ever play. And I'm thinking, then the wave fifth pick,

1654
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 1: I see, I see a big time athlete whatever. I

1655
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 1: didn't see what he saw. And from that moment on,

1656
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: I started paying attention and it was like, you know,

1657
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 1: like just in the explosion, I remember the first time

1658
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 1: like where I saw Kobe in person, where I was

1659
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: coaching against him. What was that like? It wasn't fair

1660
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: because you couldn't get to him. He can get to

1661
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 1: any spot on the floor and elevate, and it was

1662
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,719
Speaker 1: it was you felt helpless. You couldn't run a double

1663
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 1: team at him. He never missed if it was on

1664
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 1: the line. You knew deep down it is a chance.

1665
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: He was getting your heart ripped out. And I just

1666
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 1: remember like we were trying to figure out what to

1667
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 1: do against him, and it was like we came up.

1668
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 1: It got to a point we read out of suggestions

1669
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 1: because it was just nothing we can do to stop

1670
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: and we didn't had the people to stop him. We

1671
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,640
Speaker 1: didn't had the system that could possibly stop him, and

1672
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 1: it was just but I remember seeing it going, oh

1673
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 1: my goodness, this is what it looks like in person. Huh,

1674
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: this is what this kind of guy looks like. And

1675
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 1: then you know, when I was a kid, I got

1676
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 1: to sneak into the forum and watching Magic kareem Worthy.

1677
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 1: You know, hell, you was here for a year. You

1678
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: remember those teams when you was living out here. You know,

1679
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 1: I got to see that up close. I got to

1680
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: see you know, like Dr Ja come through there. I

1681
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 1: got to see all of those players. Like so I've

1682
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 1: just been around. I've got to see so many great

1683
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 1: players up close and personal, and so many different types

1684
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 1: of ways. You know, I gotta see Paul Pierce when

1685
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 1: he was a kid. Tell me about that. I walked

1686
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 1: into my high school gym coming back from college and

1687
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,680
Speaker 1: Paul was like a ninth grader, and you know, you're

1688
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 1: coming back from college to your high school. You think

1689
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 1: you the dude you're about to run the gym. You'd

1690
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: be best player in the gym. Ninth grader And I'm like,

1691
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: who is that. I'm like, who is this dude? Is

1692
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: he like a senior. They're like, no, he's going to

1693
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 1: the tinth grade next year. That's Paul here. You saw

1694
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 1: that with your own I couldn't believe what I saw.

1695
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 1: What you think. He was six six, he was a

1696
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: point guard. He had touched, he had handled, he had

1697
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 1: he was so smooth and it was so easy. In

1698
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 1: my neighborhood in LA I had never seen a player

1699
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: like that. And we say it a lot, like I

1700
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 1: told you, Chris Mills. All these guys was during that

1701
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: centric Soboli's a lot of guys used to come up

1702
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 1: to our park, um you know over there with Yeah.

1703
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen but out of all the kids

1704
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: growing up in l A, I had never seen nothing

1705
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 1: like that. One, and he just stood out like he

1706
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:30,719
Speaker 1: was just a man amongst boys. And I just remember

1707
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 1: walking into the gym going who and the l is

1708
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: at and have I been going that long? And they said, man,

1709
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 1: that's Paul Pierce. It's like and now look his jersey

1710
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 1: is hanging in Boston Garden. We're bowling like a couple

1711
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,560
Speaker 1: of weeks ago at this event during All Star and

1712
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 1: I said, man, can you believe your jersey is? He said, man,

1713
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 1: I said, what's more important to you? The Hall of

1714
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,719
Speaker 1: Fame of that? He said, sometimes I don't know, because

1715
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 1: the idea of your jersey and Boston Gardener's like with

1716
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 1: all of those greats, he understands history of that. You know,

1717
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,600
Speaker 1: that's a select group of people right there, you know.

1718
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: And uh, but I saw him. I remember, you know,

1719
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 1: I played against Jason Kidd in the state championship. Yeah,

1720
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 1: and it was like I was playing like I felt

1721
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: like I was like my age and he was like,

1722
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 1: because you're good, You're not like it was a Division

1723
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 1: one basketball player. We had our whole team, We had

1724
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 1: like seven of them on our team. He was just

1725
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: that good, Like he was ridiculously fast, he was the

1726
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 1: best passer I had seen at that age. It was

1727
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 1: it was a push during that time because Jack Vaughan

1728
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 1: was a beast during that time, uh coming out of

1729
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 1: high school. But Jason was one of the greatest pastors

1730
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 1: I've ever said. And people don't realize that Jack Kidd

1731
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,560
Speaker 1: used to have bounce. He used to get up and

1732
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 1: dunk on people. And what I just remember seeing him

1733
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 1: and our our high schools was rivals, Like we beat

1734
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 1: him during that year earlier that year in the tournament,

1735
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 1: like we were it was like both of us were

1736
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: fighting for number one in the state. And I just

1737
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 1: remember our team just going, man, we didn't even know

1738
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 1: they made light skin guys like this, where did they

1739
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 1: find this dude? They're like, fist, you don't have any

1740
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: of this, Like how can you be the light skin

1741
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 1: dude on the neighborhood team and you have none of this?

1742
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 1: Like like this dude kid jump, he's six five. Like

1743
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 1: they're like, you're you're five eleven, you're weak, you skinny,

1744
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: you slow. All you get up was you just got

1745
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,639
Speaker 1: your dad's smarts, you got your white side smarts. That's

1746
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: what They're just funny. And then we're playing against this guy,

1747
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 1: they're like, man, we never say nothing like this. Like

1748
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 1: everybody in our neighborhood respected Jack because he was He

1749
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 1: didn't back down like he went at us, but he

1750
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 1: was just he was a beast. Now you coach, you

1751
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: were in Atlanta, you coached, you know with Miami. But

1752
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,799
Speaker 1: who are the players that you you you coached against

1753
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 1: that talked the most ship Because because you see I

1754
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: wrap stereo podcasts, I'm the m v P of talking trash.

1755
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 1: Who are the players where you just want to be like, shoot, well,

1756
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 1: I just name one of them. Paul Pierce, Well he

1757
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,559
Speaker 1: has when he when he started, he was always told

1758
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: with trash talks is brutal, just telling you, I mean

1759
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:07,600
Speaker 1: I can't I don't want to say half of the

1760
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 1: words he would say. But he called you to be

1761
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: word pokast. You know he never missed clutch shots. You know,

1762
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 1: he lets you know, he was the truth. That whole team,

1763
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, that whole Boston team for

1764
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:23,560
Speaker 1: the most part, was letting you know every place. She

1765
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 1: was one of the great talkers that I've ever He's

1766
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 1: one of the best. Chris Paul is one of the

1767
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 1: great talkers that our guy. He talks and he's talking

1768
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:36,600
Speaker 1: to everybody, talking to the rest. He's work and he

1769
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 1: works the room. I hate him for it because he's like, Fiz, Fiz,

1770
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 1: you know that wasn't no foul. Ref. Look, you know

1771
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 1: this is why that wasn't a foul. And and then

1772
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: I can't even yell at the ref anymore because he

1773
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 1: stepped in and kind of took away my conversation from him.

1774
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: And now he's, hey, hey, why y'all got this rookie

1775
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 1: on me? Come on, man, I should know better than that.

1776
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 1: Like he's had this full conversation and the team is

1777
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 1: shooting free throws, so he's talked to me, my team,

1778
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 1: the refs, and then he goes down and he does

1779
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 1: something to kill you, and you're just like, I hate

1780
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 1: this dude, Like, but you know, it's just he's one

1781
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 1: of those guys. He lets you know, I'm thinking, who

1782
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: else is one of them? Kevin Garnett never stopped talking.

1783
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 1: He talking himself, he talking to his team. I think

1784
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:21,560
Speaker 1: Kevin's like multiple personalities. Was talking shipped to each other internally,

1785
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 1: they're they're they're talking like he's having there's three other

1786
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 1: there's a conversation, was having internal spats. But he just

1787
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 1: but that's what field o boy, and that's all made

1788
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 1: him great. He was letting you know why he was

1789
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 1: kicking your butt all day long. You know, I think

1790
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 1: Russell buddy got a little I'm talking him, you know,

1791
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 1: but he don't do a lot. But if you get

1792
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: them going, he's gonna let you know about it. Steph

1793
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 1: talked to give it to me. Steff, be out there

1794
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 1: and let you hear it all the time, you know that,

1795
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 1: especially if you're like, if you think for any chance,

1796
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 1: like you got a chance to beat them, he'll he'll

1797
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:01,759
Speaker 1: let you know you have zero chance, like bastically all right, fellas,

1798
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: let's stop messing around now. Like to hear a grown

1799
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: man say that about your team, All grown man, they

1800
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:11,640
Speaker 1: messing around with us, like like like, come on, we

1801
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 1: gotta get these he talks. Yeah, you can see it

1802
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 1: on the court you watch us. But he's more he's

1803
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 1: not like it's not like in your face, No, it's not.

1804
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 1: And it's none of None of these guys are like

1805
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 1: over the top. You know. Draymond is a little nutty

1806
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 1: with it, right, he'll get in your face on but

1807
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,679
Speaker 1: like it's not a lot of that anymore of where

1808
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: it's just straight in your face, like letting you know,

1809
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:35,600
Speaker 1: is the art of trash talking done because of Instagram

1810
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: and like you you can't do it because whatever you say,

1811
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, like you'll get fined or you know, they

1812
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 1: could read your lips. Like I think, it's a whole

1813
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 1: bunch of factors to it. That's just I think as

1814
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 1: kids don't play on the playground as much anymore, you know,

1815
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 1: where you could actually talk more, and it wasn't on

1816
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 1: such thing as a technical foul. You might get punched

1817
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 1: in the mouth, but there was no tech and us

1818
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 1: growing up, that's all we did was playing on the

1819
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,679
Speaker 1: playground and us a punk call and you ain't getting

1820
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 1: that call and you soften you this, and you know,

1821
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: so it was always a constant talking match on the playground.

1822
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 1: As soon as you start officiating those games and AU

1823
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 1: comes into it and everything structured and organized, it's like

1824
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, and you get technicals for that stuff, and

1825
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: then you start moving up further and you're getting fines

1826
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 1: from your stuff. And so I think it's been kind

1827
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 1: of you know, taking out of us a little bit

1828
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 1: by the way it's the rules have been structure. But

1829
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 1: I also think that like you said, it's like this

1830
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 1: generation at least is not I wouldn't call him a

1831
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 1: generation of communicators of people that do a lot of

1832
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:42,720
Speaker 1: face to face communication. They would much rather text you

1833
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:46,560
Speaker 1: and say what they text and not actually have to

1834
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 1: interact and deal with the the backside of the conversation,

1835
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I've noticed that just

1836
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: as a coach to shift since you know, all of

1837
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 1: the technology has come in, it's just this, these guys

1838
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 1: were much rather they don't get in as much confrontation.

1839
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:03,160
Speaker 1: And do you think it's because they all like they

1840
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 1: all grew up together, like the majority of them, they've

1841
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: all played hooped together, especially the main ones. I mean,

1842
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 1: you know back in the day, those guys they did

1843
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 1: they just heard about you in the paper, You met

1844
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 1: on the court, and you got busy, and and it

1845
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 1: was just it was less penalty for going at it,

1846
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like if you got into

1847
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,679
Speaker 1: a fight and you got clipped a couple of times,

1848
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:31,600
Speaker 1: defined wasn't as tough, The suspension wasn't as tough, right,

1849
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 1: And I remember all it was fights all the time

1850
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 1: when we were growing up. I'm talking about fists being

1851
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 1: thrown and you know, now, guys don't do it. And

1852
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to promote fighting, no, no,

1853
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,640
Speaker 1: because I like to fight. But but I will say this,

1854
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 1: those guys were being fined according to what they were

1855
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 1: making there. I said this on TV the other day.

1856
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 1: These guys are being fined according to what they make now.

1857
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 1: So it's not like it's it just looks like the

1858
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:04,120
Speaker 1: numbers bigger, but the fine ratio is close to being

1859
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: the same, Right, It's just do you really want to

1860
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 1: go there? Right? Are you built like that? You know?

1861
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 1: Have you ever even been in a fight? Who in

1862
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 1: the league now is on that list? This is the

1863
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 1: guys that that give me the impression Odonni's to me,

1864
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 1: it's like a throwback Goon and I got the pleasure

1865
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:23,679
Speaker 1: of meetum and I was shocked. He's six eight. He's

1866
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 1: a big boy, but he's a big guy, but like

1867
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: he plays like he's like you, but he's six nine

1868
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 1: at the most. I feel like he's six eight Goon

1869
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 1: David West Goon who's on the list? Who's on the list?

1870
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 1: Like you? Don't you noticed the two guys you just name,

1871
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:42,760
Speaker 1: both at the end of their careers, both older, both

1872
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:46,600
Speaker 1: started in a whole different generation, right, and is like

1873
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: fifty rights checkers birth certificate to figure it out. But

1874
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: he does it age at all. The run a jump

1875
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 1: at Duncan, he's still doing all of this stuff. Anytime

1876
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:00,679
Speaker 1: they throw over the game he gets a double double. Yeah.

1877
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:03,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, like he's like, is it older than you? Right?

1878
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 1: But he's ready to go when listen him on your side.

1879
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 1: Who are the other people on the list. I'm thinking

1880
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 1: about the league today and as I go through the taste,

1881
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to find. But Zbo was they you

1882
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 1: don't want to go there with Zebo? Like Zbo is

1883
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:27,720
Speaker 1: one of those guys that that he'll laugh with you

1884
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 1: clown bump. Yeah, and then if you want to go there,

1885
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:32,720
Speaker 1: that's gonna be one of the deals you didn't want

1886
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 1: to go. That's the road you didn't want to travel.

1887
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 1: That he's a tough guy, yes, and he's And those

1888
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 1: touff guys that you just named will say he's a

1889
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 1: tough guy. And that's how you know you asked the

1890
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,680
Speaker 1: tough guys about who's the tough guys I got you.

1891
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,560
Speaker 1: Those guys are saying that guy, this guy. But you

1892
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: know it's some young guys coming around you know this kid,

1893
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,840
Speaker 1: Bobby Portis is a tough kid out in Chicago. He's

1894
01:41:52,880 --> 01:42:01,599
Speaker 1: a scrapper, you know. Um Trevor is a quietly as

1895
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 1: a scrapper. You know, he grew up here in l A.

1896
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:07,640
Speaker 1: He grew up rough. Um he's got He grew up

1897
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 1: in a different generation though. It's like he was on

1898
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 1: the y. He's on the customer like, but out of

1899
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 1: the young guys right now. You know, Patrick Beverley got

1900
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,720
Speaker 1: going in him man's mom. Anytime you get a kid

1901
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 1: from Chicago, you're probably gonna have a little bit of

1902
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:24,559
Speaker 1: that in him. Like that's the one thing about Chicago

1903
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:29,639
Speaker 1: kids like Tony Allen, Quentin Richards said d Wade, Patrick Beverley,

1904
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 1: those dudes a fight you Like they would look for

1905
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 1: a reason to get into a fight with you. I Mean,

1906
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 1: I don't understand like Patrick Beverley as far as I'm concerned,

1907
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: Like if I'm going against Linzo Ball, I'm just like

1908
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Like Patrick Beverley is like a nightmare, Like

1909
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna make you miserable and he's gonna because but

1910
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 1: one thing he understands that's part of his talent is

1911
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:54,600
Speaker 1: the goon. You know that is he may not be

1912
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 1: able to outdribble you or outrun you. I'll shoot you,

1913
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 1: but he can outgoon you and knows if he gets

1914
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 1: to you, he you're done. That talent don't mean anything.

1915
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:06,599
Speaker 1: And and he but that's how he grew U. I'm

1916
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 1: telling you those Chicago kids are different. But Juan Howard

1917
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 1: the most clean cut, nicest dude I've never seen without

1918
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 1: of tighte fade. I've never seen this tide not tied right,

1919
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:22,360
Speaker 1: most professional human being. Last Stevenson said, Lebron was choking

1920
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:27,040
Speaker 1: Juwan Howard walked over to their bench pre game the

1921
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 1: next game looking for him, trying to chase him down

1922
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:31,560
Speaker 1: and look for him in the locker room. Everything like

1923
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 1: they wired different in Chicago. And he's old schools, like

1924
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:37,679
Speaker 1: seventy five years old to right, he could still play

1925
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 1: if he wanted to, but I think they got an age.

1926
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 1: They got a certain number of years. You can't play like, dude,

1927
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 1: you can't play any more basketball in the NBA, like

1928
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 1: you've reached un because he's one of the first dudes

1929
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,000
Speaker 1: with the tap, like he came with the tap when

1930
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,599
Speaker 1: he's with the five five, like he had the tat

1931
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 1: like his cousin, did it all right? My last question

1932
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 1: here we are in March, basically, and are you allowed

1933
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 1: to answer this if not, tell me based on everything

1934
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:04,720
Speaker 1: we know, what's your prediction who's winning the NBA Championship

1935
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 1: and why? Who's it? Who's it? What are it gonna be?

1936
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:08,599
Speaker 1: The final four teams? They eat the two in the East,

1937
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 1: two in the West, and then what do you got

1938
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 1: for me? Barring injury? And I don't want anyone to

1939
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 1: get injured. Golden State Houston, that's the that's the easy call.

1940
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 1: I think the East is the tougher call. I do

1941
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 1: think Cleveland's gonna eventually get in there, um into that

1942
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:25,839
Speaker 1: final four. The question is will it be Boston or Toronto?

1943
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 1: And that's where I know you say barring injury, but

1944
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 1: that's where I think if if either one of those

1945
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 1: teams are tweaked at all, that's the difference in one

1946
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:39,840
Speaker 1: of those teams getting into that four. Now, unless if

1947
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 1: Houston gets home court, Houston can beat Golden State. If

1948
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 1: they don't get home court, I don't think they can

1949
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 1: beat them. That's where I think Houston can get out

1950
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 1: of the West. In the East, I think that both

1951
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 1: of those other teams Boston or Toronto have to play

1952
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 1: out of their mind to beat Cleveland in a seven

1953
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:00,080
Speaker 1: game series. I agree, I just think they have to

1954
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 1: play perfect basketball to come out of that. To to

1955
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:07,040
Speaker 1: beat him four times, it's tough. That's tough, even when

1956
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:09,320
Speaker 1: you have home court. I don't care what He's gonna

1957
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 1: come take one game on your court, just because that's

1958
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 1: who he is. And now it's like okay to see

1959
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 1: the series is evened up. Who's gonna win more games?

1960
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:20,040
Speaker 1: I just don't know if those teams can do it,

1961
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 1: even though we've seen Cleveland go through this roller coaster.

1962
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: I just feel like in a seven game series, man,

1963
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't it's hard. Away. Look, he's been in the

1964
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:32,439
Speaker 1: finals how many years in the row? Us like come on,

1965
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:35,640
Speaker 1: like it's no one's done it yet. That's like it's like,

1966
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:39,559
Speaker 1: you know, it's proven. Differently, I'm just going with that. Yeah,

1967
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go with it because as much as

1968
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 1: I like the Raptors and they're coming in tomorrow and

1969
01:45:43,439 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 1: those guys, I just don't see it happening. And like privately,

1970
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 1: favorite coach in the league is the one Casey. I

1971
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 1: just love his passion for the game, I just love

1972
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:56,719
Speaker 1: how he's built that team. They play like he acts,

1973
01:45:57,479 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you could tell that

1974
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 1: team that him exemplifies their coach. And I just I

1975
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:04,760
Speaker 1: love his story. I love what he's had to go through.

1976
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 1: He's went up down, he's been you know, kicked out,

1977
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,639
Speaker 1: and then he became a champion and then he's he's

1978
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 1: really made the most of his opportunity. And so I

1979
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 1: root for him, but I don't know, like I'm like,

1980
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 1: he's like till proven different. I go with Cleveland as

1981
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 1: much as I can't stand it. I'm going and you know,

1982
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 1: I love my guy and I got you, But I

1983
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:27,639
Speaker 1: don't even it doesn't matter, you know, it's emotionally involved

1984
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 1: like an exactly like I don't. It's not gonna matter

1985
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 1: to me as much like even like you know, uh,

1986
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 1: like I root for Brad Stevens, like I think Brad

1987
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:40,240
Speaker 1: Stevens as a as a out of the box like innovative.

1988
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 1: You think he dreams basketball, I think he wakes up

1989
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 1: in three weeks. See you. If you ever I got

1990
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,600
Speaker 1: a chance to ask him if he dreams basketball, he

1991
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 1: would say absolutely, he's doing like he's doing. Lamp Lines

1992
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:54,200
Speaker 1: by himself like he's like clapping, like he's like full

1993
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 1: like you know, doing Julie Brown, like full court press.

1994
01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:01,120
Speaker 1: His wife's like but man like you can't wreaking scare

1995
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 1: of people, like getting the bed. He's doing suicide drills

1996
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 1: and the best too. I got just to spend time

1997
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 1: with him this summer. Uh and just the most humble,

1998
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 1: normal guy that you've ever been around, but was floating

1999
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:18,640
Speaker 1: around in that dome as pure genius. Who's Rookie of

2000
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 1: the Year Donovan Mitchell's my guys from New York. Obviously

2001
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons is a red shirt. He's sick. Is there

2002
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,280
Speaker 1: a shot that? My guy? He does have a shot

2003
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:30,680
Speaker 1: and does even remind you of d Wait? Yes, he

2004
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 1: reminds me of d Way, but he shoots better at

2005
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:36,840
Speaker 1: this age. He's a little shorter um. If he can

2006
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 1: develop a post game, that will be the difference in

2007
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:42,519
Speaker 1: because d Way is the best. You know, I would

2008
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:45,200
Speaker 1: say six four and under, he's say six five, But

2009
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:48,200
Speaker 1: six four and under guy in the post that this

2010
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:51,639
Speaker 1: league has probably ever seen. Back to the basket, back

2011
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:53,599
Speaker 1: to the basket, face up right in that little tight

2012
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 1: Carl Malone area, right off the block on the post

2013
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,160
Speaker 1: You're just not gonna have many guys that you can

2014
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:01,720
Speaker 1: pull out of his street books at that size that

2015
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:03,800
Speaker 1: you could tell me that was a better post up player,

2016
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:07,040
Speaker 1: uh than him. And that's gonna be if Ken Donovan

2017
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:10,120
Speaker 1: developed that because he's got all of that other stuff,

2018
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:13,280
Speaker 1: the burst, the explosion, you know, dunk on you, the

2019
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 1: euro ste He's got all of that. Like, he is

2020
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:17,600
Speaker 1: so fun to watch. But I think what's gonna be

2021
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:20,080
Speaker 1: the difference in the voting is can they get in

2022
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:23,599
Speaker 1: the playoffs? It's tough. Can they creep in that playoff?

2023
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 1: Because that but it's jumbled up, man, that that whole

2024
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean, from from four down in the West is scary,

2025
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 1: jumbled up. And so it's you know, it's just a

2026
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 1: matter of luck and injuries and you know, getting the

2027
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 1: right breaks and strength of schedule and and all of

2028
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But then you know, you got

2029
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:46,000
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons, who I just like watching the kid play

2030
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:50,639
Speaker 1: and homeboys tall. He's big like Lebron because he's yeah,

2031
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:52,519
Speaker 1: he's a big boy. I mean we had we played

2032
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:54,880
Speaker 1: him in the preseason and in my interview, I said,

2033
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:57,640
Speaker 1: that's special when you you could just see it like

2034
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:01,479
Speaker 1: it doesn't take long. See a guy move to go,

2035
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:05,639
Speaker 1: that's a special movement. Like he's so fluid and natural

2036
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: at it, and like left and right hand and he's

2037
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:12,559
Speaker 1: throwing these passes and how is he Yeah, I mean

2038
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:15,519
Speaker 1: it's something like that. He's a baby man like and

2039
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,600
Speaker 1: and so. But I think Philly is gonna get in

2040
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 1: that playoffs, and I think that's what's gonna be the difference.

2041
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 1: But look, you're talking about splitting hairs. Man, those are

2042
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,639
Speaker 1: two beasts. Now. I said it was my final question

2043
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,720
Speaker 1: when you say someone like Donovan who who is a

2044
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:35,000
Speaker 1: hard worker, whether or not he can learn post moves

2045
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 1: or develop post moves. When you're a pro basketball player

2046
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 1: with the skill of a Donovan Mitchell or one of

2047
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 1: these young you know, brewing rookies, is it a matter

2048
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:46,120
Speaker 1: of putting the time in to learn it or or

2049
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:49,960
Speaker 1: can anybody learn post moves? Not anybody to a high level.

2050
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:52,639
Speaker 1: Some people just have better field than others. But it's

2051
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:55,160
Speaker 1: something Spoil used to always say to me that he noticed,

2052
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 1: like when I would work out with with d Wade

2053
01:49:57,280 --> 01:50:02,400
Speaker 1: or Lebron or Chris Uh. Is that greatness picks up

2054
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:05,719
Speaker 1: things quickly and can apply it and that's the difference

2055
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:07,400
Speaker 1: between when you see a guy where you go, man,

2056
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:10,280
Speaker 1: why can't this guy get it? He can't apply it.

2057
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:13,720
Speaker 1: Great players can, like d Way would do stuff like this,

2058
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 1: We work on something and shoot around that day. Right

2059
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 1: after shoot around, we'll do something in the post, maybe

2060
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 1: like eight to ten times. He do it in the

2061
01:50:21,120 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 1: game that night and do it perfectly, like you said,

2062
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,479
Speaker 1: trop step or something. I tell you a great story.

2063
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:28,240
Speaker 1: One day we were messing around on one end of

2064
01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 1: the floor and me the way and Lebron, and Lebron

2065
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:32,560
Speaker 1: just said, man, I want to start working on my

2066
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:36,240
Speaker 1: running hook. It's magic Johnson. So we started doing it

2067
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 1: knee up. You know, Pat came into it because you

2068
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 1: know Pat coached all those guys. You gotta get your

2069
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 1: knee up and you gotta bring it over here. And

2070
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 1: so Lebrons just starts doing it. You know it probably shoots,

2071
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:49,599
Speaker 1: I would say, probably shot about ten to fifteen of him.

2072
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 1: He made three that night in the game. And no,

2073
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, like average players don't do that.

2074
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 1: Just the good players don't do that. They gotta work

2075
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:01,960
Speaker 1: on it, like over and over and over. But the

2076
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 1: great ones can visualize it. There it immediately. The synapps

2077
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: happens as soon as they do it. A couple of

2078
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:11,240
Speaker 1: times they've built that synapps and it's like I got it,

2079
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 1: I got you, I got you. And that's that's like

2080
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:17,320
Speaker 1: they just they can advance it and apply it so fast. Um,

2081
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 1: it really separate. You could see the difference. And like

2082
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 1: God child ones like that. As a shooter, it was

2083
01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 1: just like he would do drills and he would it

2084
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:26,120
Speaker 1: would make some of our guys look like they never

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01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:29,600
Speaker 1: ever shot a basketball because and then he would do

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01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:32,320
Speaker 1: it and it was just he did it and it

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01:51:32,439 --> 01:51:35,679
Speaker 1: was nothing. But that's the difference between a great shooter

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Speaker 1: who's put himself through all kinds of stuff and good shooters.

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Speaker 1: You know. Um, but it was That's a good part

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Speaker 1: about being around great players. You got to see that

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01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:47,600
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I love it, alright, coach, listen, you

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Speaker 1: can't you didn't brook me. Okay, you came with the

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Speaker 1: championship pedigree, David Fitzdale the coach. Uh. I can't tell

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Speaker 1: you how much I appreciate it. Man, this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: I'm such a big I love. Can I ask you

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Speaker 1: a question. Did you have a number of movies that

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01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:07,040
Speaker 1: you've acted in because I was going through your catalog

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01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:10,520
Speaker 1: just so you know, I did my I collect data. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I was checking out guy, not a number guy,

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Speaker 1: but I was just checking out how many projects you've

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01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:19,679
Speaker 1: been a part of. You know, a bunch a bunch

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Speaker 1: of bunch of movies, a bunch of bunch of TV shows,

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01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:24,360
Speaker 1: and you know some are good, some are not good.

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Speaker 1: And one thing I've learned, because you know, it was

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Speaker 1: from from being the sideline reporter of the Big Three.

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Speaker 1: And you always hear in different sports, in all the sports,

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Speaker 1: culture of winning, culture of winning when you when you're

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Speaker 1: on a set, whether it's a show or a movie,

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Speaker 1: that culture of winning, and that culture I understand it now.

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Speaker 1: I think it was Chauncey who explained it to me.

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Speaker 1: It's not culture of winning than sports. You say that,

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Speaker 1: it's just a culture of like everybody's here for the

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01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:53,240
Speaker 1: same purpose. And you could everybody could be here for

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01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:55,160
Speaker 1: the same purpose and you still might not win, but

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Speaker 1: at least you feel a lot better going home at night. Exactly,

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Speaker 1: was at fighting against yourself that situation. Exactly, That's what

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Speaker 1: culture is. Like everybody's gonna pull their weight in this

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Speaker 1: deal and respect each other the right way, and we're

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01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:09,479
Speaker 1: gonna get this thing done in a way and if

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01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:11,960
Speaker 1: we fall short, it's not gonna be because we weren't

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Speaker 1: all in exactly. So it's the same thing. Who So,

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Speaker 1: I've done a bunch of stuff. I still love it,

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Speaker 1: um and I get off on it. Uh you know,

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Speaker 1: but it's like, I'm sure the business of basketball is

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Speaker 1: probably you know you love the basketball, the business of basketball,

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01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:29,400
Speaker 1: the business of like I love action and cut in between.

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Speaker 1: Actually cut that's the magic all the other that I

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Speaker 1: don't need any of you know what I mean, You're like,

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Speaker 1: this is this is you know, because you should be

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Speaker 1: called business show. That's why I right for the time being.

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Speaker 1: All right, coach, I appreciate having all right, what can

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Speaker 1: I say? I told you it was gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: I told you it was gonna be good. See I

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Speaker 1: am Wrappports Stereo Podcast. We do what we do, have

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Speaker 1: no fear. The Iron Rapports Stereo Podcast is here. Coach Fizdale,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for rocking with me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I put him on the spot. You heard me, g

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Speaker 1: I said, yo, you will you promise to come back

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Speaker 1: for Part two and Part three with it because I

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Speaker 1: could just talk to this guy about basketball for hours.

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Speaker 1: Listen Iron Rapports Stereo podcast. We Came, We saw, we conquered,

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Speaker 1: The Iron Prior of podcasting, Miles Jordan's The Dust Brothers

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Speaker 1: take us out of here with something real funky Coach Fizz,

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Speaker 1: thank you for rocking with us, YO, We'll see you

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Speaker 1: when we see you. We out know what the what?

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Speaker 1: I don't really don't understand me my bloo