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Speaker 1: Welcome to Bobby Cast episode five point fifteen. By the way,

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Speaker 1: gonna go now to this interview with Montell Williams that

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Speaker 1: I did. And if you're around my age, probably remember

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Speaker 1: the Montell Williams Show. It says here for seventeen years, man,

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Speaker 1: that's a long time to have anything in the world

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Speaker 1: of entertainment run. But seventeen years the Montell Williams Show

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Speaker 1: was on, and I watched a lot of it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I remember there was Sylvia Brown. She was like the

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Speaker 1: psychic that would like prett it crazy stuff. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember that at all, Mike orre you too young for her?

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Speaker 1: I remember her? Man. He would have on this psychic

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Speaker 1: named Sylvia Brown. And there would be times where you

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Speaker 1: would go and talk to people like their kid had disappear,

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Speaker 1: And then once they found him, one of the kids

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Speaker 1: and what they weren't buried near a rock, and he

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Speaker 1: kind of realized that, you know, psychics kind of full

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Speaker 1: of crap, but Montel wasn't full of crap. Like, listen

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Speaker 1: to this. He was the first black Marine Corps trained

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Speaker 1: He was the first black man to graduate from both

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Speaker 1: served twenty two years in the military. That show that

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Speaker 1: I know him for ran for almost twenty years, all

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Speaker 1: extremely high IQ. He was diagnosed with MS in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety nine and has founded the foundation that has raised

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Speaker 1: a ton of money for research and raise awareness. But

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the book that he wrote.

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Speaker 1: He wrote a book about the sailing of the interrupt

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Speaker 1: but which I have very limited knowledge of, but I

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Speaker 1: a show called Military and Makeover with Montel, which is

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Speaker 1: a Lifetime series. The guy was on TV forever and

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Speaker 1: a career that lasted forever. Let me do it. A

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Speaker 1: couple other facts. He earned a great engineering he did

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Speaker 1: write fiction like he's a novelist, so that would be

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Speaker 1: self help nonfiction. And he's written military themed fiction books.

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Speaker 1: He was a Mustang in the United States Marine Corps,

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Speaker 1: him from the TV show, But he wrote this book

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Speaker 1: is Montell Williams. Hey, Montel, thank you for the time today.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it, absolutely no. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Why did you join the military when you were young?

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Speaker 2: You know, I came in during Vietnam at the very

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Speaker 1: Wow, yes, I know what was it about the military?

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Speaker 2: It just was really the successes that I had, the

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Speaker 1: So when I watched these videos on TikTok now of

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Speaker 2: Every Christmas we had a soldier come on board the show.

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Speaker 1: How did military turn into the television show? Because the

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Speaker 1: Was it season to season with you? Were you always

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Speaker 2: And you know when they when they did so, the

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Speaker 2: working at. Our diet is a little bit better, and

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Speaker 2: my six pack's coming back. So yeah, I think I'm

436
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Speaker 2: in fairly decent shape from my age.

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Speaker 1: Hey, congratulations on the book, and thank you for the time,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, just thanks for you know, maintaining your presence

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Speaker 1: and what you continue to present. So I really appreciate that,

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Speaker 1: and I hope the book sells just tons and times

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Speaker 1: want tell.

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Speaker 2: I thank you so much, sir. We're hoping that they

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Speaker 2: turn this because I've been approached recently by a couple

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Speaker 2: of producers who wanted you to do this documentary or

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Speaker 2: as a feature film. And like I said, I think

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Speaker 2: it reads not like a history book. It reads more

447
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Speaker 2: like a cinematic novel. And so I'm hoping that this

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Speaker 2: gets turned into a film that'll reach way more people.

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Speaker 2: And then we're going to be hitting it again. And

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Speaker 2: to all of your listeners and to those who serve,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your service.

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Speaker 1: All right, Motel, have a great day, man.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, sir, you too. You take care of

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Speaker 2: you some.

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Speaker 4: Hang tight the Bobby Cast. We'll be right back, and

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Speaker 4: we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 1: Also, what I want to do is I got an

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Speaker 1: email and it was from a student at a College

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Speaker 1: of California, and so she was doing a sports journalism

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Speaker 1: final and her assignment was to interview me for fifteen

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Speaker 1: to twenty minutes. But I think it went like forty

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Speaker 1: five minutes? Is that how long this say? I think

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Speaker 1: it was like forty something minutes. So I just thought

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Speaker 1: it would be interesting to play it. I have not

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Speaker 1: heard it back. I didn't want to hear it back.

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Speaker 1: So this is Julia and she was doing an assignment

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Speaker 1: at Chapman University in California, and so she had to

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Speaker 1: interview me. And this is that interview. Did you listen

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Speaker 1: back to it? Yeah? Do I want to hear it back.

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting you talk about like what you

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Speaker 1: want to be remembered for. Oh I don't remember what

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Speaker 1: I said, all right, but here you go.

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Speaker 3: How's your day been so far?

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Speaker 1: It's been good. I wake up every morning pretty early.

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Speaker 1: So we did the radio show this morning, and then

476
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Speaker 1: I came home and hopped into a I do a

477
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Speaker 1: podcast for the NFL. So I did the podcast until

478
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Speaker 1: like twenty minutes ago, and then set this up and

479
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Speaker 1: then I'll go work out after I'm done. So days

480
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Speaker 1: are always pretty packed, but it's been good so far.

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Speaker 1: What about you.

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Speaker 3: I class this morning? I have an eight thirty so

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Speaker 3: my class all morning wall that's tough. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 3: Jeff's class is usually tonight and it's seven to nine

485
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Speaker 3: fifty on Tuesday nights.

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Speaker 1: Wow, three hours and going once a week. Right, it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's it. I took media law that way. It was

488
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Speaker 1: a nightmare because it was great. It was only once

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Speaker 1: a week, but oh my god, it feels like it's forever.

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Speaker 1: Even if it's not a boring class, it feels like

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Speaker 1: it's forever.

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Speaker 3: And it's so late at night too. But he brings

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Speaker 3: us snacks every week.

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Speaker 1: So really, yes, that's really cool.

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Speaker 3: Whoever has the best like lead or whatever story you're

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Speaker 3: writing that week, they get a pick snack.

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Speaker 1: Of the week. So what do you guys do in class?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: What are you learning in this class?

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Speaker 3: It kind of varies. It's intro to sports journalism, so

501
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Speaker 3: it's a lot of writing and like learning by doing.

502
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Speaker 3: That's Jeff's big thing is like the best way to

503
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Speaker 3: learn is by practicing, and he brings in guest seaker

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Speaker 3: Seth Davis came last week.

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Speaker 1: That's cool. He just like really awesome, Like I don't

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you know how like

507
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Speaker 1: legit he is. I'm sure you can look it up.

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Speaker 1: And but like he's like one of my favorites of

509
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Speaker 1: all time. So he's really, really, really one of the best.

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Speaker 1: Like you guys get super fortunate that he's, you know,

511
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Speaker 1: spending time teaching over there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the only time he teaches this year.

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Speaker 1: So that's cool.

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Speaker 3: Not only fourteen of us two. So okay, Well that

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Speaker 3: was one of my questions, was was a typical day

516
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Speaker 3: and the life looked like? And what did you do

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Speaker 3: today specifically? But you kind of already answered them.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that the dates are always a

519
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Speaker 1: little bit different because we travel a little bit too.

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Speaker 1: We travel if I'm touring, if I'm like doing stand

521
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Speaker 1: up or like, I'll leave Thursday of this week because

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Speaker 1: we have a festival, and then next week I'll leave

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday and I'll work from Dallas because I'm part

524
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Speaker 1: of the ACMs, the Amazon broadcast, so I'll go and

525
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Speaker 1: be part of that brought that show. So all the

526
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Speaker 1: weeks are different. The thing that's the same is I'd

527
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Speaker 1: probably jam too many things in each day.

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Speaker 3: Well time me typically wake up. I saw your sistarts

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Speaker 3: at five and like my eight thirty is already too

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Speaker 3: much for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wake up on purpose. If I can wake

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Speaker 1: up at four, that's pretty good. But I usually wake

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Speaker 1: up in the three o'clock hour. I have crazy anxiety

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Speaker 1: about oversleeping. I've never overslept once. I have never been

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Speaker 1: late because I'm so scared of being late. So I

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Speaker 1: wake up in the three o'clock hour almost every single day.

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Speaker 1: It's miserable. I hate it. There's never been a morning

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Speaker 1: I've like got out of bed and been like, man,

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Speaker 1: this feels great. So I've just gotten better at feeling

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Speaker 1: really terrible for a couple hours until I snap out

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Speaker 1: of it. Because I am not a morning person.

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Speaker 3: I really what time you go to bed, then.

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Speaker 1: It's very dependent on where I am, but I try

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Speaker 1: to go to better on nine thirty or so if

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Speaker 1: I'm home. It's tough, though, just because there's just a

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Speaker 1: you know, we we are our priorities, and I tend

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Speaker 1: to prioritize like six things at once, and nine thirty

548
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Speaker 1: is the goal. But especially if I tour on weekends.

549
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Speaker 1: I won't even get to bet on weekends until like

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Speaker 1: eleven or twelve. And that's okay because I don't have

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Speaker 1: to do anything that next morning, but it kind of

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Speaker 1: wrecks my schedule for the first part of the next

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Speaker 1: week because I kind of get off track. But morning suck.

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Speaker 1: I hate mornings. They suck. And I've been doing the

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Speaker 1: morning show like a national morning show for twenty years,

556
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Speaker 1: which is crazy because I was in my early twenties

557
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Speaker 1: when I started, and it has sucked the whole time

558
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Speaker 1: and not gotten easier.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine the show doesn't suck.

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Speaker 1: It's it's awesome to do because I have all my friends.

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Speaker 1: I hired all my friends, But just the waking up

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Speaker 1: part is brutal.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna ask that. What was one of my

564
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Speaker 3: questions is like, since you've been doing this for so long,

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Speaker 3: how do you like keep it interesting? And like do

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Speaker 3: you ever get like kind of bored of it or

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Speaker 3: is it always something?

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Speaker 1: Now? I think you could get bored of it pretty

569
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Speaker 1: quickly if you were doing the same thing over and over.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that's the best for

571
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Speaker 1: me and also at times the worst for my health

572
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Speaker 1: is that I have like four or five things going

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Speaker 1: at once. So I've written a couple of books. I

574
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Speaker 1: guess three if you kind of kids book, but that

575
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Speaker 1: took me like twenty minutes, and mostly it was like

576
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Speaker 1: picking the you know, the the person that draws the pictures.

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Speaker 1: But if it's books, or if I'm writing comedy at

578
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Speaker 1: a comedy special on CMT a couple of months ago,

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Speaker 1: or you know. I have a few podcasts that I

580
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Speaker 1: do now aside from the radio show, I travel around

581
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Speaker 1: and do a sports show where I go to different

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Speaker 1: you know, major League Baseball teams, NFL teams, NBA teams,

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Speaker 1: college programs. So because I do a lot of different stuff,

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Speaker 1: it does keep me from getting bored, but it also

585
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Speaker 1: keeps me tired, especially with the early morning hours. I

586
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Speaker 1: don't think it would be so bad if I don't

587
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Speaker 1: have to wake up early. But the radio show is

588
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Speaker 1: still the most fun. The radio show and podcast it's

589
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Speaker 1: the same, but that's still the most fun because that's

590
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Speaker 1: what I've really built into something that's by far the

591
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Speaker 1: biggest thing that I've ever done. But the fact that

592
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Speaker 1: I'm able to add in other elements to keep it

593
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Speaker 1: feeling I won't say, but to keep me feeling motivated

594
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Speaker 1: to like create, because that's where I filled. My best

595
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: is like when I'm making something and sometimes it ends

596
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Speaker 1: up not being very good. I was in my therapist's

597
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Speaker 1: office yesterday and we were talking about that. It's like

598
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Speaker 1: I never I'm never happy with the finished product. Ever.

599
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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example where we have a I

600
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Speaker 1: have a special that's about the ACM Awards going on Amazon.

601
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Speaker 1: When's it go read Friday? It goes up Friday. We

602
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Speaker 1: produced a whole thing ourselves with that. Amazon didn't tell

603
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Speaker 1: us to make it. We just made it. And it's

604
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Speaker 1: me and Read and just a couple of guys in

605
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Speaker 1: my crew, and we shot the special and they are like,

606
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Speaker 1: we love it. We'll take it, but it really sucked

607
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Speaker 1: making it. And now that they've taken it, I'm like, okay,

608
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Speaker 1: But the idea of creating something that no one even

609
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Speaker 1: knows is coming, nor would they even want it if

610
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Speaker 1: you pitched it, but they still like it, Like that

611
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Speaker 1: is what's kind of fulfilling for me. No, it's just

612
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Speaker 1: which is why I'm in therapy so much, because it

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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm the same way, I need to con be

615
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Speaker 3: doing if I'm not doing that was one of the

616
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Speaker 3: other things I was going to ask, is what's your

617
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Speaker 3: favorite part about hosting a radio show and is there

618
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Speaker 3: any moments from over the years that like kind of

619
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Speaker 3: stood out to you as like one of your favorites

620
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Speaker 3: or something that kind of like made it all worth it.

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Speaker 1: Almost My favorite part is that it's long form. You know,

622
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Speaker 1: I've never been in radio to play music, so we

623
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Speaker 1: don't play a lot of music. And I was fortunate

624
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Speaker 1: that when I first started doing the radio show, I

625
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: really focused on podcasting before podcasting was mainstream. So whenever

626
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Speaker 1: podcasting became as big as it is now, because it's

627
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Speaker 1: basically all I listened to, we were already doing it

628
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Speaker 1: to a level where we had an audience on our

629
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Speaker 1: streams already. So it's kind of like we're doing two

630
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Speaker 1: shows at once. We're doing the radio show and the

631
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Speaker 1: radio show is a podcast, but then we podcast on

632
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Speaker 1: the back end of the radio show. So it's been

633
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Speaker 1: fun to kind of be on the front end of that.

634
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Speaker 1: While other people were just doing radio, we were focused

635
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Speaker 1: on the digital side of it too. That has been

636
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Speaker 1: kind of fun in the creation of our show. I

637
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Speaker 1: think another thing was I hired all my friends way

638
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Speaker 1: early because we had no money. There was no budget,

639
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: and I didn't really know what I was doing. I

640
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: have no background in any sort of broadcast or radio,

641
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: nor do I have a good voice, nor do I

642
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: really have any of the classic tools that one would

643
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: think they needed to make. But that's in the end

644
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: what worked for me the best because we did it

645
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Speaker 1: so differently and we had no budget. We were on

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Speaker 1: one station in Texas, and I since I had no budget,

647
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Speaker 1: I just got my friends to come sit in the

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Speaker 1: studio with me in the morning, and then that turned

649
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Speaker 1: into being able to pay them part time. We had

650
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Speaker 1: some success, then we had a whole lot of success,

651
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Speaker 1: and I hired all I've just hired all my friends

652
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Speaker 1: over the years. So that's probably the best part about

653
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: it is that I've been able to give my friends

654
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: like really cool, good jobs and then moments, you know,

655
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: some of the cool stuff. It just they fit into

656
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: different buckets. Like we've been able to on the philanthropic

657
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: side of things, you know, do basically thirty million dollars

658
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: for Saint Jude, which is a children's hospital where people

659
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: don't have to pay the bills if their kid gets

660
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: put in for cancer, and I was in the hospital

661
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: a lot as the kids, So that is why that

662
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: place is so important to me. So on that and

663
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: that bucket, that's super cool, like people coming in, Like

664
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: I enjoyed doing long form interviews, and there have been

665
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: a couple that have really stood out, Like John Mayer

666
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: would come in and there's you know, like a half

667
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: hour John Mayer interview that's on YouTube that I didn't

668
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: even know he was coming to the studio, and he

669
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: came by and we just kind of talked about creating

670
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: and kind of what you see inside while creating, and

671
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: I was asking about colors, and we're talking about jokes

672
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: and talking about how it's usually not the thing that

673
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: you're most proud of, or that you work the hardest

674
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: or push yourself the most on that people resonate with.

675
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: It's usually the thing that's kind of down the middle.

676
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: Because I was asking him, like, what songs do you

677
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: get bored playing and he's like, well, I get bored

678
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: playing this song, but people love it the most. And

679
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: I kind of compared that to some of the stuff

680
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: that I do. So stuff like that's cool where you

681
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: don't really expect it to be great, which makes it great. So,

682
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: like those were two pretty cool moments if you're just like, like,

683
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: what are some cool moments? Also, you know, just being

684
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: able to do stuff that spins off the radio show,

685
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: like every thinks has spun off the radio show. But

686
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: like I did a reality show. I did Dancing with

687
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: the Stars, which I never I don't know how to dance.

688
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: And I was already on American Idol because I did

689
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: four years over there. But I won that show while

690
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: being a terrible dancer. I worked really hard, but it

691
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: was my audience that you know, ran with me the

692
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: whole time. And so if it wasn't for the radio

693
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: show and the really great audience that I have that

694
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: were like, hey, this is our guy, like that wouldn't

695
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: have happened. So I think just building that community has

696
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 1: been probably the coolest part about it.

697
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dancing with the Stars is how I first heard

698
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: about you, because me and my sister are big fans

699
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: of the show. We went to the tour.

700
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, it's I never knew how amazing those

701
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: athletes are until I was with them. And I'm still

702
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: semi athletic, Like I I can still play a little

703
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: bit with the Major League Baseball Celebrity Softball tournament was

704
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: a few months ago, and I went and played and

705
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: I was I was the MVP. So I can still

706
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: play a little bit, right and so, and I played

707
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: like pickleball golf, and I work out and run. But

708
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: it's nothing, it's nothing. Those those dancers are professional athletes.

709
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: It is why. And I had no idea until I

710
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: started to work with one every single day. And they're

711
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: just like NBA players or NFL players, Like they are

712
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: as athletic as anything I've ever seen.

713
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have like a favorite moment or like

714
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: the biggest lesson you took away from your time on

715
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: Dancing with the Stars, like doing something that was so

716
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: outside your comfort zone?

717
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and hey read would you hand me that

718
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: the Yeah? And that show again. I never had the

719
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: intention of going on the show because I never danced,

720
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: so I don't have any background and dance. This is

721
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: the that's the freaking mirror ball. Yeah, and I love it.

722
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: And people, you know, people will make fun of me

723
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: whatever for like going on going on a dance show,

724
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 1: But for me, the coolest thing about doing that show

725
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: was I had no idea what I was doing I

726
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: had complete faith that I could figure it out as

727
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: I went, and I knew we'd have a chance to win,

728
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: even though we had no chance to win, because I

729
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: have an irrational confidence in myself that I can figure

730
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: I can survive long enough to figure it out. I

731
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: knew I would never be great at it, but I

732
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: knew I could survive long enough to have a shot

733
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: at the end. And that's exactly what happened, is that

734
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: I was never in the bottom three, but I was

735
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: also not good. But people could tell I was trying

736
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: really hard because I took it very seriously because that's

737
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: those dancers art, and yeah, it's a TV show, and yeah,

738
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: it's goofy whatever. But to me, I wanted to respect

739
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: the hard work the dancers were doing, and I wanted

740
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: to win, and I wanted the audience to know that

741
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: I was serious about it, even though at times it

742
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: seemed like I wasn't serious at all. But I didn't

743
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: know the rules, and so since I didn't know the rules,

744
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: like the real rules of like watching the show, it

745
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: helped me so much because I didn't play by the rules,

746
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: which is a weird thing because if you grow up

747
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: and you know you're in some industry and you learn

748
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: everything you should or shouldn't do, or you grow up

749
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: around a certain industry. Sometimes that boxes you in by

750
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: knowing what the rules are, and you're not really able

751
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: to think outside of the oacliche out of the box,

752
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: but you're not able to think differently because you are

753
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: conditioned to think this is what you can and can't do.

754
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: I had no conditioning. Like I went into the show,

755
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna work hard. But I also

756
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: when it was I felt like reacting. I reacted when

757
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: I felt like doing something different. I did, and it

758
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: caused a lot of controversy. They changed the rules on

759
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: that show after I left because I was so different

760
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: on the show. So for me, it was, if anything,

761
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: it was it's kind of not where you start, it's

762
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: where you end up, and you can thrive to whatever

763
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: level that you need to if you just set your

764
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: sights on surviving. And so that's what I did. I

765
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: survived and learned, and I think that's kind of what

766
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: I've did throughout all my career and all these different

767
00:36:59,400 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: things that I've done.

768
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was one thing when I was like doing

769
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: my research, I saw you from Arkansas and like, I

770
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: don't know if I'm from California, so I don't know

771
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: I've ever met anyone from Arkansas.

772
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: So I'm the only one. I'm the only one that's

773
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: ever left.

774
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like so I'm like, how do you feel like

775
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 3: in like the era of NEPO babies where it feels

776
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: like everyone's in LA and New York, Like, how do

777
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: you think growing up in Arkansas and in such a

778
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 3: small town like influenced your career and like led you

779
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: to where you are today? Like do you think it

780
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: helped you in any way?

781
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: Or I think I was really resentful about where I

782
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: come from for a long time, and yeah, NEPO babies

783
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: or I would always be met. I was always irritated

784
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: at people who even that were born like extremely wealthy,

785
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: but I grew up very poor. So I saw anybody

786
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: with an advantage as somebody having an advantage that I

787
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: didn't have and wouldn't have. I don't feel that way now,

788
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: but only because I don't think I would have acquired

789
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: or developed the skills that I have had I not

790
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: had to go through the difficulties of learning everything, Like

791
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm a Swiss army now, for I'm not great at anything.

792
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: But I'm pretty good at a lot of stuff now

793
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: because I never really written anything. I have two freaking

794
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: New York Times bestsellers, like I shouldn't. But again, i'd

795
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: know the rules, so there was nobody around me to

796
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: tell me how to do stuff, so I would just

797
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: try it and take feedback and then try to make

798
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: it better. But I think me not having any sort

799
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: of help was very hard at first, but now it

800
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: makes I won't say it makes everything easier, but it

801
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: makes the losses feel a little more normal and regular,

802
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: and I can bounce back up quicker. And that's really

803
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: the key to any success in this industry. It's not

804
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: how good you are, it's do you have tenacity? Like

805
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: can you keep getting up whenever it's no? Because this

806
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: business is all knows, it's all knows, And if I'd

807
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: have grown up where it was a lot of yes

808
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: is in my life in general, I don't know that

809
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: I could have made it through this when it's all knows.

810
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: And it's the person that can get told no over

811
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: and over and over again and still feel passionate about

812
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: it and keep going like that's when the yeses start coming.

813
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 3: We were talking about this with Seth Davis last week.

814
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: How like he's like, I'm not great at any one thing,

815
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: but I'm just good at a lot of things and

816
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: that's what's gotten me so far.

817
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: Which, yeah, I think being able to have people trust

818
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: that you can handle yourself. Right, same with Seth, because

819
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: that's great. I see Seth and I'm like, dude, that's great.

820
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: But he's probably similar where he's had to develop all

821
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: these little skills in order to get to a place.

822
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: And it's also like, you have to be This is

823
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: so generic and fundamental, but it's the truest thing ever.

824
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: You've got to be trustworthy and on time, and you

825
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: have to be worth you're going to be when you

826
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: say you're going to be there, and you've got to

827
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: have a good attitude, and you've got to have a

828
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 1: good work ethic because you can control those things because

829
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: nothing else you can control. And you will get a

830
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: shot if you get in and show up, do the work,

831
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: and have a good attitude. You may not get the

832
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: shot first, you may not get the shot for a

833
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: long time. But if you can just prove that you're

834
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: trustworthy and consistent, man, that is such a big part

835
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: of the job at American Idol. So I was supposed

836
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: to go in for one episode and they were like, hey,

837
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: come in. This is the first year they went to ABC,

838
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: so if they've been on Fox for a long time.

839
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: And I watched it on Fox for the first part

840
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: of it, but I kind of stopped watching it. I

841
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: knew it, I remember the old days, but I kind

842
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: of stopped watching it. And so I had a talk

843
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: show on ABC that got to pilot. It was actually

844
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: me and Dion Sanders, and it got to pilot and

845
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: then it got canceled or I didn't get picked up,

846
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: but we spent months working on him. So I'd made

847
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: a couple relationships there, and they were like, hey, we

848
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: think it'd be great if you came and did an

849
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: episode of American Idol because you can work with the

850
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: contestants on how to be interviewed, on how to have

851
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: decent camera presents. And by the way, I've only done

852
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: TV by begging people to be on TV. I don't

853
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: have any experience in like learning television. So I say, okay, great,

854
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: So I go for one episode, and not only was

855
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: I pretty good at that, like I understood where a

856
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: lot of the contestants were coming from, because I had

857
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: never been to Los Angeles or New York or any

858
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: big city until work took me there. So like them,

859
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: I was just wide eyed, and so I could relate

860
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: to them in that way. And so they're like, hey,

861
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: do want you to do another episode? And so I

862
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: ended up on that show for four years. And it

863
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: was only because I had a good attitude of good

864
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: work ethic and I was on time and then I

865
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: was good at my job. So because the first things happened,

866
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: it allowed the other things to happen, because if you're

867
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: not there on time, I mean, unless you're Katie Perry.

868
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 1: She was always late. But other than that, all good.

869
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

870
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 3: I feel like when I was like doing my research

871
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: on like all the things you've done, You've literally done

872
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 3: everything from like ballroom dancing to writing books, TV shows.

873
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: Is there anything that you haven't had the opportunity to

874
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: do yet in your career that you want to at

875
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: some point?

876
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? I My goal has been to host one of

877
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: these big award shows. And so there are two massive

878
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: award shows in country music specifically, and I haven't always

879
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: worked in country music. I worked in pop and and

880
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: I had a quick record deal as a as a

881
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: rapper at one point in my life. So I've kind

882
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: of again, like I said, not really great at anything,

883
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: but I've done it all. But I grew up in

884
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: Arkansas so loved country music, so that's why I came

885
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: to Nashville. But I want to host one of the shows,

886
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: and I've only able to be second string, Like the

887
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: ACMs happened next week on Amazon and reeb is hosting,

888
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: but I'm there as well, Like I'm in the crowd

889
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: the whole time, talking on camera, talking with so it's

890
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: like as close as you coul possibly be without being it,

891
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: but I haven't been it yet. And so like that's

892
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: the one thing. I haven't been famous enough to actually

893
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: be the host yet, which which is the truth, because

894
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: it's always like a massive celebrity like country star or

895
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: like Peyton Manning, and I've gotten pretty close, but I

896
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: have not I've not actually hosted an awards show, right,

897
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: So that's that's the thing I haven't done.

898
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

899
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

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00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 3: Going on with that, like, you've done a lot of interviewing.

901
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite person you've ever interviewed? Who

902
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: was like maybe the most interesting, unexpected, just like a

903
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 3: fun story.

904
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a few of those. I think the most

905
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: difficult people to interview are my friends, even if they're famous,

906
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: because I know too much, and when you know too much,

907
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: you don't ask certain things in protection mode. When if

908
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything, I would just ask the question

909
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: and I would get good answers even if they didn't

910
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: want to share what they didn't want to share. So

911
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: the difficult part about that living here and like some

912
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: of my really good friends are you know, famous country singers,

913
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: and you would think interviewing friends would be the best.

914
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: It's the worst because of that. But the first time

915
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: that Garth Brooks ever came in was really cool because

916
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: i'd never met him. He's the highest selling American artist

917
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: of all time. He's the second highest artist of all

918
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 1: time behind the Beatles, and so I grew up listening

919
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: to a lot of Garth Brooks and he was super

920
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: generous with the stories. He brought a guitar, he played songs,

921
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: and then he gave me as good I'm left handed,

922
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: I can't play it. I didn't say that. I wasn't like, no,

923
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: I can't take it. I'm left handed, but he gave

924
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: me his guitar and he wrote a little note on it,

925
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: so it was cool. And there are people like Dolly

926
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton who when you meet them, And Dolly was

927
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: on my comedy special with me. She did some stuff

928
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: at the beginning of it, in the middle of it,

929
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: and I've got a relationship with her now, which is

930
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: crazy to think. But Dolly's done it all. Doll Dolly

931
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: was famous in the seventies and eighties and in every form,

932
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: from doing massive movies mainstream to be in as country

933
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: as you could be to doing it doesn't matter. She's

934
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: done at all. And when you meet her and you

935
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: kind of realize, oh, that's why people are famous, Like

936
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: there's something that you can't even really explain. Obviously, she's

937
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: super talented as a singer and a songwriter, but there

938
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: is a there's an element, like an indescribable element that

939
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: when you finally run into it, you go, oh, yeah,

940
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: I can't define that, but I want to be around

941
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: that all the time, and I get why that's become

942
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: so popular. So being around people like that that are

943
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: so magnetic has been super cool. So when it comes

944
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: to people like Dolly was great, Garth is great. One

945
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: of the other really cool things that just happened. I

946
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: do a concert here at the Ryman every year, which

947
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: is a it's like the most famous country music and

948
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: other bands come through town to play as well, but

949
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: it's a it's an auditorium and it's a venue in town.

950
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: And I'd been making this joke that I was in

951
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: a boy band since like when I was twelve, and

952
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: the band's o town. But I never was really in

953
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: a boy band, but I was able to bring them

954
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: all in and they had hits back in like the

955
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: early two thousands. But I brought all those guys in

956
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: at this big charity show and they came and we

957
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: just got to end the bit and we performed together

958
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: for the first time finger Quotes in like twenty years,

959
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: and so we did all or Nothing that Oh I

960
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: want it All nothing at all that song, and it

961
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: was just that was super fun for me because I'd

962
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: been like joking around that I was in a boy

963
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: band and then they came in and paid off the bit.

964
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: So stuff like that. It's still fun to me. But

965
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: when it comes to like interviews and doing stuff, those

966
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: are probably what comes to mind. Now the John Mayer

967
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: thing was super cool. Or a guy like Chris Stapleton

968
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: who we had in before he ever got famous and

969
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: before he ever had even Tennessee whiskey, before that was

970
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 1: the thing. He was a songwriter that I really admired,

971
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: Like that was cool. Yeah, it's and a lot of

972
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: times it's the early stuff before they get really famous.

973
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: Kind of going over to that of like kind of

974
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 3: the earlier and interviewing, how do you think your show

975
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: and like interviewing, and just like the industry as a

976
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: whole has changed like over the last like maybe decade

977
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: or so, especially like as social media's increased. Like I'm

978
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: majoring in like public relations and advertising, so like everything

979
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: is social media nowadays. So how has that been for you?

980
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: Like kind of watching that evolve.

981
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: Similar, everything is social media, Like every I won't even

982
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: in social media everything it needs to be on nine platforms.

983
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: And I don't say that in a bad way like

984
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: that that's the life we live now. And me as

985
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: a content creator, if it's a radio show, podcast, if

986
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: it's a YouTube stream, if like, everything goes everywhere, and

987
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: so I have to think of the ways that the

988
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: content I'm creating is going to be used differently in

989
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: all the different places. So if I'm doing an interview,

990
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: the long form audio version of it, I'm really good

991
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: at that because I'm not really intimidated, and I'll listen.

992
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people when they interview, especially

993
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: at first, they want to have their next question loaded

994
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: up because they don't want to seem like they're not

995
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: paying attention, or they don't want to be a bad

996
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: interview or they want to show they've done their research.

997
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: That's all great, and you should, everybody should. But I

998
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: think at this point I'll go in prepared, but i

999
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: will listen, and I'm not afraid of silence because silence

1000
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: will also encourage the other person to keep talking. So

1001
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: the long form stuff I'm really good at. It's also

1002
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: while i'm doing it, identifying what the short form strong

1003
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: parts are if it's and I have a producer with me,

1004
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: Mike Dee, who's been with me forever. He was an

1005
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: intern for me fifteen years ago, who's like my main

1006
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: guy now and head a writer on the show, and

1007
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: most of my show's been with me for over ten

1008
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: fifteen years, so I'm twenty uh and we now have

1009
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: that relationship where he knows. When we're doing long form,

1010
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: we're also digging out short form the whole time. So

1011
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: we're like we're producing clips in our head, long form

1012
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: audio video. You know. I'm sitting in a studio now

1013
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: with lights on me and this is just you and

1014
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: I talking. So we're ready for kind of everything. We've

1015
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: had to learn how to do everything all at once,

1016
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: and not because that's special, but because that's what you

1017
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: need to do to survive.

1018
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 3: No, my thing just like reloaded. Oh, we've had a

1019
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 3: lot of Wi Fi issues here recently.

1020
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: I thought you were giving me silence, like you were

1021
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: showing me. You were like, I'll show him. I'll give

1022
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: him some silence.

1023
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1024
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: Gave it like a whole boot camp last week on

1025
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: like how to ask what you say, do not waste

1026
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 3: their time anything that they can google, like, do not

1027
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 3: ask them. He was like, don't embarrass me basically, Oh.

1028
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: No, by the way, I again, I'll say it again.

1029
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: He's he's the best. Like I don't know him as

1030
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: far as like I never met him in person. That's

1031
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: what's weird.

1032
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: Nashville.

1033
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: Like two weeks ago, I know when I messaged him

1034
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh, I forgot you. Lived in Nashville.

1035
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: I lived in LA. But it's weird because, so you

1036
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: talk about social media, I have these relationships with people

1037
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: that I feel like I know that I really have

1038
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: never met. I would text Jeff text me the other

1039
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: day about something random that he saw on my social media,

1040
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: Like I have that relationship and I think he is

1041
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: like one of the greatest sports writers of my lifetime.

1042
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: So I think he's super cool and he's done a

1043
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: lot and I like to interview him about and he

1044
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: comes on. But I've never It's crazy. I didn't eve

1045
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: think about it. I've never actually seen him in person.

1046
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he's real.

1047
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 3: He's in New York this week, so we don't even

1048
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 3: get to see him. But yeah, No, he followed me

1049
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 3: on TikTok the other day. So that's like my now

1050
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: claim to fame.

1051
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: Is that he followed you.

1052
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he posted about did he tell you how

1053
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: like the Final Project works?

1054
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? So he asked me, he goes, hey, would you

1055
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: do something with one of my students. I don't know

1056
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: who it's going to be, but they're doing projects on people.

1057
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: All they had to say is would you, And I

1058
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: would have said yes, like I respect him that much,

1059
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: and I said yeah, sure, and he goes, well, this

1060
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: is going to sound pitiful. He goes, well, they're going

1061
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: to draft people like notable people, and you're gonna be

1062
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: on the list. And I was like, oh no, I

1063
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: was picked last for everything, Like it was like trauma

1064
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: coming out of my pores again, going no one's gonna

1065
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: pick me. I'm gonna be the last one pick. Just

1066
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: lie to me, don't tell just whatever happens, don't tell

1067
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: me where I was picked. So I was a little

1068
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: nervous about that, but that's what I knew.

1069
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: You'll be honored to know I had the first pick.

1070
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I am very He probably told everybody to

1071
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: say that, so you know what. I thank you, but

1072
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: he'd actually did I'm not even kidding, well, thank you

1073
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: very much.

1074
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 3: She's video.

1075
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: Oh so I saw the video of him talking about it,

1076
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: but I figured he just targeted me with that. Did

1077
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: like a paid ad, so only I would see it

1078
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: and think I was first.

1079
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 3: No, he fully had us like picking like numbers out

1080
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 3: of a hat. He put them all down, and then

1081
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 3: everyone thought I cheated. They were like, well, you wrote

1082
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: the numbers on it.

1083
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I did no, that sounds yeah, sounds

1084
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: like cheating to me, but I'll take it. I'll take it.

1085
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 3: My best friend in the class got fourteen.

1086
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: I was like, sorry, girl, who did she end up getting?

1087
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 1: Like the assistant to it was a bunch of peop like.

1088
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: We have like former NFL players, former.

1089
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: Like, oh, there were other cool people, college basketball people.

1090
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: Better.

1091
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:06,959
Speaker 1: Oh, you're gassing me out now.

1092
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: Like yeah, no, super in one of my friends is doing.

1093
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: He was a former NFL player turned scuba diver. He's

1094
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: a instructor.

1095
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: Now. I thought it would be like Toby Maguire's third

1096
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: cousin's assistant like people like that. But hey, I'm into it.

1097
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, it was really so. It was really cool

1098
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 3: because we have like a super wide variety. And then

1099
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: oh and then also depending on how how your pick was,

1100
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 3: the longer your paper has.

1101
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: To be, so yours have the longest. Yeah, oh well

1102
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: you gotta ask some more questions. They haven't given you

1103
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: crap yet.

1104
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 4: We interrupt this interview to bring you a message from

1105
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 4: our sponsor. This is the Bobby Cast.

1106
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, back to my list. I like made like

1107
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 3: a semi list of questions, but he's like, just bounce

1108
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 3: around okay, Oh. One thing that reminded me of like

1109
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: you were talking about Dolly Parton and House, like she's

1110
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 3: been working in the industry for since like seventies. Like

1111
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: what do you want your legacy to be, like, say,

1112
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 3: like thirty forty years from now, Like, what do you

1113
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: want people to remember about you?

1114
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: So I have two answers to this. I'm going to

1115
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: give you the answer that I feel sixty percent of

1116
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: the time, which is better than the answer I feel

1117
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: forty percent of the time. My answer sixty percent of

1118
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: the time is I just want my legacy to be

1119
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: that even if the odds are kind of stacked against you,

1120
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean they're going to go that way. Because

1121
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: I went I didn't know my dad. My mom was

1122
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: a drug addict who had me at sixteen years old.

1123
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: She got pregnant at fifteen. I grew up on food

1124
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: stamps in a trailer park, and things aren't weren't supposed

1125
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: to go this way. And I think a lot of

1126
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: people need to have representation. And I think that's with minorities.

1127
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: I think that's with women. I think that's in a

1128
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: lot of ways. It's weird to be like, I think

1129
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: people need representation. I'm like a white man honestly, because

1130
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of white men representing. But it's not

1131
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: even about the white or the man part. It's about

1132
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: coming from where I come from. There aren't a lot

1133
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: of resources, and you're so focused on survival that it's

1134
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: hard to really even feel like there's a chance to thrive.

1135
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: That's not part of life. You just figure outw to

1136
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: pay the bills. And so I would hope that part

1137
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: of my legacy is that other people that come from

1138
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: situations like mine or worse or even better, they don't

1139
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: think they're out of the running just because they're born

1140
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: out of the running. Then it may take them a

1141
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: little longer to get there, and they may have to

1142
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: go away. That is a little crooked, and success is

1143
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: never a straight line. There is no such thing as

1144
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: success really because you never actually feel it, but you

1145
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: absolutely can do it if you commit, work hard, and strategize.

1146
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: And I think that's probably my legacy. The other one

1147
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: is which I don't think as much, is like I

1148
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: don't care. I mean, I don't don't. I'm gonna be

1149
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: dirt in the ground and hopefully people have a better

1150
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: life because of me, because I've been able to do

1151
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: some stuff to raise some money for some people, and

1152
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: I've been able to be there at times like people

1153
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: were there for me. If I do that while I'm here,

1154
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm pretty good. So sixty percent the time, though,

1155
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: I want to be that person who reminds people they

1156
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: can do it. But forty percent I'm like, I'm just

1157
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be organic matter that's not even existed anymore.

1158
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: Worms are gonna eat me. And while I was here,

1159
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: I hope I made a difference. That's it.

1160
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: So you said, like you know what, like how do

1161
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 3: you even really define success? But do you think you

1162
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 3: have kind of that like especially that coming from like

1163
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 3: where you came from, do you think you have like

1164
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 3: that kind of like I made it moment where like

1165
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 3: you realize like maybe these I regularly like I really

1166
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: can do this.

1167
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: No, No, you know when I felt rich with them,

1168
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: and it's crazy, is I'm really rich? But it doesn't

1169
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: feel that way. I don't. I can look at numbers

1170
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 1: and go like, yeah, I'm rich. It's crazy. I can't

1171
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: believe it, but I don't feel that in my heart

1172
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: and my guts, and I always feel like I'm one

1173
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: day away from not being this way because it's how

1174
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: I'm conditioned, that's how. But when I first started to

1175
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: feel that I was making it is when I had

1176
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: extra batteries, clean like new batteries. I'm not even kidding.

1177
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: I was. I had a TV remote that was out,

1178
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: it was like three years ago, and I was like, oh, man,

1179
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: I have because what we'd have to do is take

1180
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: batteries out of other things and put them in the

1181
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: things that work. So you go and you find the

1182
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: thing that you use the least, you take the batteries

1183
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: out of it, and you put the batteries in the

1184
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: thing that you needed to use then. And so I

1185
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: was about to do that because naturally that's where my

1186
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: mind goes, and I was like, oh, I have batteries

1187
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: in a pack that have never been used. I swear

1188
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: to you. That was when I that was real success

1189
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: for me. And part of that feels like a joke

1190
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: because it kind of is, but it's not. Because I

1191
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: remember thinking I have batteries in an unopen pack. They're

1192
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: just sitting there waiting to be used. I have made it.

1193
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: So success on a level of like wow, look at

1194
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: all this never but success in little ways like I

1195
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: have batteries that have never been used in a pack. Yeah,

1196
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: those little things, those do matter and they feel trivial.

1197
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: But that for me is a success or. It's like

1198
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: I have a I have a friend that went through

1199
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: some crap, and you know what's the best. It's just

1200
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: hand them a stack of cash and going like, hey,

1201
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: take care of this, and don't you know, we don't

1202
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: have talk about this ever again. Like I can do that,

1203
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: So that is success. But most of the batteries, I.

1204
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 3: Was trying to go in chronological order, but I get

1205
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 3: sidetracked easily.

1206
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: I do too, and then my stories go all over

1207
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: the place. So yeah, yeah, we.

1208
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 3: Did do a profile on like one of our friends

1209
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 3: in our classes. We meet my friend interviewed at each

1210
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: other and it did not go well. Like you said,

1211
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 3: like interviewing people you know is so much more difficult.

1212
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's difficult. I enjoy interviewing even if

1213
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm having like a bad day because sometimes I'll have

1214
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: a brain fog and it's the worst because I wake

1215
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: up early and if I don't get enough sleep, I

1216
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: have crazy brain fog. I now am so secure in

1217
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: my interviews. They can talk for a long time, and

1218
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: I can just hit them with a and so I

1219
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: don't know, how does that affect you today? How does

1220
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: that make you feel? I can just hit that like

1221
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: three times in a row. Thirty minutes done' that's a

1222
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: whole interview. Yeah, I feel like, uh yeah, I don't

1223
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: know if there's anything else to cover. I feel like

1224
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: we got my legacy, we got my mirror ball, we

1225
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: got batteries.

1226
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 3: Oh, my friend Avery is going to be so jealous.

1227
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 3: We got like we met this year and so we

1228
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: sort of became friends. We would watch Dancing with Stars

1229
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 3: the other It's like I used to always watch with

1230
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 3: my younger sister, but she's like still back at home.

1231
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 3: She's in high school. And so me and my friend Avery,

1232
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 3: who were who's in this class with me, would like

1233
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 3: watch it every Tuesday night together and that's like how

1234
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 3: we became friends.

1235
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a different animal now. When I watch it,

1236
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: it gives me a little PTSD because it was it

1237
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: was so hard.

1238
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 3: You watch it like the news.

1239
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: If it's ever on no clip, I'll see clips. But

1240
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: I have friends that will do it now occasionally, like

1241
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: Laura and Alana did it the season after I did,

1242
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: and so she's a singer, and so I went up

1243
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: to the premiere and the finale and just to support her.

1244
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, it makes my gut feel weird because it

1245
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: was so hard. It was the hardest and greatest thing

1246
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: at the same time. It was physically the heart. Because

1247
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: I would train, I would cheat. I'm gonna give you Okay,

1248
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you big news here, this is an exclusive.

1249
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: I would cheat on that show. Now here's how I

1250
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: would cheat. They tell you can only work out four

1251
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: hours a day by training. I was so I was

1252
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: so far behind that I would train with my partner

1253
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: and then I would go rent a studio secretly and

1254
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: take we take video from the class, and I would

1255
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: train by myself for another three or four hours, get

1256
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: a couple hours sleep, and go to the radio show

1257
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: the next day, and then I would do the show

1258
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: and then go back to training. But how I cheated

1259
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: it was I trained way more than I should. I

1260
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: had no experience. But again it shows you may have

1261
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: to work harder than other people, but you don't have

1262
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: to have what they have in order to get what

1263
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: they don't have yet, and I did that. So yeah,

1264
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: my cheating was I worked way harder than them against

1265
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: the rules. But it wasn't like I rigged anything.

1266
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you still do your show the entire time?

1267
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: You want the whole time. I was the only one

1268
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: that had a job the whole time, Like they didn't

1269
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: have jobs. Nobody had jobs except for me. I had

1270
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: to work there after we won the show. I'll tell

1271
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: you this story to in conclusion. So the night that

1272
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: the finale happens, I think there are four of us

1273
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: on the finale, and I'd only got sevens and eights

1274
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: the whole season, the occasional six. I just wasn't wasn't

1275
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: very good. But I worked hard. I tried hard, and

1276
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: I was getting a little better as one if they

1277
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: continue to work. And I also have no flexibility, so

1278
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: I was like stretching. Yeah, it was. It was helping

1279
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: a lot. I tore my shoulder. I fell down episode

1280
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: one at the end of my dance and tore my shoulder.

1281
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: So I was getting injections every other week to not

1282
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: feel pain. Yeah, you thought I was playing in the NFL,

1283
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: but I was in an LEOTHRD. But so the finale happens,

1284
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: then they're like the winner is Bobby and Sharna and

1285
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: place goes crazy and they have a party afterward. It's

1286
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: a quick one, and then everybody gets on a private

1287
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: jet and flies from LA to New York to do

1288
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: Good Morning America. Yeah, that's Good Morning America? Is that network?

1289
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: So in the hour and a half that they had

1290
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: a party, I didn't get to go because I had

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Speaker 1: to go to work. So I got as soon as

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Speaker 1: I got my trophy, I jumped in a car, drove

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Speaker 1: to the radio station, and we recorded the next morning show.

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Speaker 1: And I finished the show, got in the car and

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Speaker 1: drove back to the plane and everybody was on the

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Speaker 1: plane waiting on me, a little irritated because I held

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Speaker 1: the plane up, and I was like, as I have

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Speaker 1: a job, like I have to literally pay the bills.

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Speaker 1: So but that job is what won me the show,

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Speaker 1: like it was my work ethic, my effort, but it

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Speaker 1: was also what I had built, the community that I'd

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Speaker 1: built from people that listen. And I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: touching people one person at a time that sounds weird,

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Speaker 1: but being able to create a bond one person at

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01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: a time before you know it, it's much larger than that,

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Speaker 1: and you're able to do things much larger than the

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Speaker 1: actual number of people because they're in it with you,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like my people are in it with me.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's been super cool. I've done a lot

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Speaker 1: of done a lot of cool crazy things that a

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Speaker 1: few TV shows, I've had some books, have had a

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Speaker 1: number one comedy album of all this stuff. But it's

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Speaker 1: all kind of based on the relationship that I've made

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Speaker 1: through audio, through podcasting radio, And yeah, it's been pretty great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, thank you for taking the time talking to me.

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Speaker 3: I really for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I hope your paper goes well. If there's anything that

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Speaker 1: I didn't cover or if you have, just email me

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Speaker 1: whatever the question is. I'll write you back, Like if

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Speaker 1: there's a gap in your paper, just email me and

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Speaker 1: I'll give you whatever you need.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The only other thing is we have to we're supposed

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Speaker 3: to reach out to like somewhere between one and three

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Speaker 3: like other sources. Basically like someone in your life that

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Speaker 3: you think maybe knows you really well, that like would

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Speaker 3: be willing to talk to me for like fifteen minutes

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Speaker 3: that I could ask a couple of questions. Do you

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Speaker 3: have any ideas?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be easy. Let me just email you one. Yes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: how about Leo DiCaprio. That'd be cool. I don't know,

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01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: but that'd be cool. That'd be real cool. Yes, I will.

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Speaker 1: If you'll email me right now and just say hey,

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Speaker 1: send me a name. I'll reply back and send you somebody.

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Speaker 3: Okay, perfect, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope this goes great again. If there's anything

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Speaker 1: else you need, just email me. I'm happy to help

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Speaker 1: you do whatever. And yeah, I hope you have a

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Speaker 1: great rest of the day.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production. Yeah.