WEBVTT - Nathaniel Crosby

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<v Speaker 1>Cup Captain Nathaniel Crosby, Nathaniel was the captain in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen when the US won the Walker Cup, and he

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<v Speaker 1>will be the captain in twenty twenty one at Seminole

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<v Speaker 1>where he's a member. So we quickly talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>match that was there, the Rory McElroy, Dustin Johnson, Ricky Fowler,

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Wolf match, and then we dive into some of

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<v Speaker 1>his playing career on the European Tours, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the twenty twenty one Walker Cup. So, without

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<v Speaker 1>further ado, here's Nathaniel Crosby.

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<v Speaker 2>I miss the green, for example, I'm already upset. When

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<v Speaker 2>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball in a brid egg

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<v Speaker 2>Friday egg the dread and Friday Egg Frida, egg Frida

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<v Speaker 2>egg Brian egg Frida egg Bride egg Lie, I'm about

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<v Speaker 2>ready to run off of the hump course.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea, I'm just thinking about that era.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know you had Adams, you guys at or Lamar,

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<v Speaker 1>and then not too far later you had Sonar. Tech

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<v Speaker 1>all kind of come in and become this in vogue.

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<v Speaker 1>Must have Fairway Wood? Was there something about fairway Woods

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<v Speaker 1>that allowed for entry easier than any other point with

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<v Speaker 1>with golf clubs.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll give you a very I'll give you another

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<v Speaker 2>quick one of my golf manufacturing experience, which is now

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<v Speaker 2>and been suspended for fifteen or so years because I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't been in the business for almost twenty years now,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do follow it. The history of the tour

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<v Speaker 2>count my store keeping unit is the same percentage is

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<v Speaker 2>a mere percentage of the market share. So when Ping

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<v Speaker 2>started to dominate on the PGA Tour and they had

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<v Speaker 2>sixty percent of the players or forty five percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the players or whatever it was and used Ping putters,

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<v Speaker 2>the market share was exactly the same titleist golf ball

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<v Speaker 2>since the fifties. Right, it's the count the market share.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know this is the same as the counts.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, seventy percent of the touring pros. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>same deal all the way through, all the way to

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<v Speaker 2>Fairway Woods. And we had the we outsold Callaway of

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<v Speaker 2>my storekeeping unit. We didn't out sell them by brand,

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<v Speaker 2>but we have sold Calaway by you know they if

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about the Trimetal versus Callaway, you know, any

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<v Speaker 2>one storekeeping unit of Callaway that was a fairy would

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<v Speaker 2>we have sold them because they in nineteen ninety eight

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<v Speaker 2>and nine, So you know, I think the big thing

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<v Speaker 2>what we did as a category is Adams really came

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<v Speaker 2>out first, but they didn't commit to the PGA tour

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<v Speaker 2>and they had a few guys on the Senior tour

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<v Speaker 2>playing it, but they created that shallow wood. And my

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<v Speaker 2>whole feeling about you know, any product is if it's

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<v Speaker 2>different and it's a better and it's a better product

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<v Speaker 2>for a significant part of the market, doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>be all the market. Could be thirty percent of the market,

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<v Speaker 2>could be forty percent of the market. But if it's

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<v Speaker 2>a better product for part of the market that's significant enough,

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<v Speaker 2>then you can really capture some market share. And the

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<v Speaker 2>shallow faced woods were you know, people were hitting them

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<v Speaker 2>further because you could have lower loft and get them

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<v Speaker 2>in the air. So instead of a fifteen degree three wood,

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<v Speaker 2>you were in a thirteen degree three wood, or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of a four wood at seven at nineteen degrees,

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<v Speaker 2>you're in a seventeen degree four wood, So you're just

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<v Speaker 2>hitting it further. But it did have some negatives and

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<v Speaker 2>people topped them if they tried to swing up on them.

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<v Speaker 2>They had to kind of hit them like an iron.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, you know I always used to present it

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<v Speaker 2>by saying there was a vertical margin of air that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't as great as a deeper you know, the vertical

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<v Speaker 2>margin air wasn't as good. So if you if you

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<v Speaker 2>chop down on it in the rough, you'd you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd fluff it. You'd hit right under it. But you

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<v Speaker 2>could hit it out of kind of nest, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if in the short rough you could you could bomb

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<v Speaker 2>it out of the short run. Yeah, uh, you just

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<v Speaker 2>had to keep it. I mean I was a different player.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thirty five or thirty eight years old then

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<v Speaker 2>I could still have a reasonable back. But I remember

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<v Speaker 2>hitting that, you know, that eleven degree. I could hit

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<v Speaker 2>that two hundred and fifty five or sixty yards and

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<v Speaker 2>off the ground and that was just a game changer

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<v Speaker 2>for me. And you know, the thirteen degree was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe ten yards less, but you know, you could get

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<v Speaker 2>an eleven degree fairlywood up in the air and you

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<v Speaker 2>could have it. You know, you could hold par fives

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<v Speaker 2>with it and for the average play. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>like playing with my partner at the Cravens, my uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the Botuto, my Orlamar co chairman at the Leonard the Cravens,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was looking at him trying to use a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty average player about a ten or twelve handicap, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, man, am I glad he's using that

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<v Speaker 2>at orland Mark tri Medal as opposed to a traditional

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<v Speaker 2>because just an awkward lie or of a thin lie,

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<v Speaker 2>you could still nail those of Mars. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a The golf manufacturing business is a hard business.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just felt like, you know, I grew two

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<v Speaker 2>companies and missed the ring on both of them. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still kissed, you know, because I succeeded in a

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<v Speaker 2>really hard category and really didn't get the windfall because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think Lamar we went from one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifteen million in ninety nine and lost control of

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<v Speaker 2>the company, and I was stayed on the board for

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<v Speaker 2>another year and a half and just couldn't handle the

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<v Speaker 2>direction they were trying to underpromise and over deliver.

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<v Speaker 1>Young companies are just a crazy, uh atmosphere, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much stuff that goes on, and I think you

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<v Speaker 1>allude to hear the line was so thin, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>talking getting talking some golf I mean, we we got

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<v Speaker 1>to see our first love live golf yesterday. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>I assume you tuned in to to Seminal where we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be having Walker Cup next year. What what

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<v Speaker 1>were your thoughts on yesterday's match.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought it was fantastic, you know, the to

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<v Speaker 2>see Seminole on TV, and you know, the drone videos

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<v Speaker 2>were just made made of course look so beautiful, exquisite,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I love the mystery of Seminole. I

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<v Speaker 2>love the the fact that I'm mixed in with a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of old other retired champions and uh, we're mixed

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<v Speaker 2>in with these masters of the universe that have you know,

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<v Speaker 2>uh really you know, titans of industry, and we all

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<v Speaker 2>get along great. It's a great chemistry that really very

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<v Speaker 2>Van Gerviig the you know, I think there had been

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of that before, but Barry van Gervig

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<v Speaker 2>really ushered in the old retired champions to mix in.

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<v Speaker 2>Billy Joe Patton I think was a member here, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, former Walker Cupper, but in Captain and I

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<v Speaker 2>think and and we had so many but it was

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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit in Mick and uh, Barry Van

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<v Speaker 2>Gervig really allowed me to be a part of the club.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, uh ushered In down In Gray and

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<v Speaker 2>Benny Giles and uh Spider Miller, Mike McCoy, Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Buddy Marucci just goes on and on. I know I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to leave out some but you know, Gene Elliott

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<v Speaker 2>now is you know, great amateur golfer, and we all

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<v Speaker 2>have a we all have a blast together. We all

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<v Speaker 2>love playing. Dick citter Off one of my best buddies

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<v Speaker 2>I have. I love to hand pick old crotchety guy.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love Dick citter Off's death, who won the

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<v Speaker 2>British Amateur a couple of times, and I think he

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<v Speaker 2>played in ten or twelve Masters. So we have a

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<v Speaker 2>blast together there. And uh, you know, Dick would be

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<v Speaker 2>playing with Ken Ling Gome or you know, you go

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<v Speaker 2>out there and you know get paired with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Ryan or Ed Hurley or Jimmy Donner. All these

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<v Speaker 2>guys that are absolute champions of industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's obviously an incredible place. How did you feel

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<v Speaker 1>the course held up. I know there's a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>I think most of the most of the pros that

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<v Speaker 1>had played there knew that it wasn't a pushover. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I saw some pundits were saying that it

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<v Speaker 1>might be, you know, it might get eaten alive. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even with the rain, it seemed like it

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<v Speaker 1>held up pretty well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. I think it really held up well in hol Hicks.

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<v Speaker 2>The Seminole greenskeeper really did a great job. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when it rained three inches and two days before and

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<v Speaker 2>collectively three inches and the two days prior, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>firmness of the greens. And the wind is really the

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<v Speaker 2>number one defense on that golf course because the greens,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sloped to the sides, and if you work

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<v Speaker 2>your ball with the wind at all, the ball will

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<v Speaker 2>roll eighty feet across the green and go into the bark.

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<v Speaker 2>So you really have to bank your ball against the wind.

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<v Speaker 2>You got a right to left wind, you better fade it.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a left right wind, you better draw it.

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<v Speaker 2>And you better have that ball coming down hitting the

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<v Speaker 2>green when at lands straight. You know, it can't it

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<v Speaker 2>can't be coming in on an angle or it just

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<v Speaker 2>rolls out. And I think that that was missing a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit yesterday because the greens were so soft, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the course was the fairways were soft, so

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't running. There's just nothing that could be done

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<v Speaker 2>about that. You can't get out there with the blow dryer,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So, but I think I think the targets

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<v Speaker 2>are so hard to hit, and I think the course

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<v Speaker 2>held up pretty darn well considering I think it would

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<v Speaker 2>have been perhaps more intriguing if if the wind was

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<v Speaker 2>blowing and the frank greens were firm.

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<v Speaker 1>What you were talking about there with the banking and

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel you know, obviously Ben Hogan's famous for

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it. If you can play seminole, you can

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<v Speaker 1>play anywhere. Is that the essence of sevenole that you

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<v Speaker 1>think he was talking about? Where the idea of you

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<v Speaker 1>having to be able to control your trajectory in so

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<v Speaker 1>many different ways to find the greens?

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<v Speaker 2>I think then it was a longer course for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for ben Hogan, but it was also a much firmer fairway.

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<v Speaker 2>The fairways were firmer from what I understand, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on the time of the year. When Claude Harmon

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<v Speaker 2>shot a sixty, I only know about this, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Pennis said that they had a drought that year

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a pitch and put course. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>and Craig Garvin used to or Claude Harmon used to say, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they talk about my sixty all the time, but they

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<v Speaker 2>don't tell that I shot sixty three the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>He shot one twenty three in two days. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know because I used to spend countless hours with Tony Penna,

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<v Speaker 2>who was playing with him. But I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when Barry van Gervik took over, he made a strategic,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a philosophical difference with the course. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the ball was going further. This was in the early nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it really wasn't didn't take the big jump

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<v Speaker 2>until the PROVX in the well whenever. That was two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and four or five when the prov X came out.

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<v Speaker 2>But the guys are getting bigger, everybody's getting stronger, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's impossible to link in the course more than they

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<v Speaker 2>really have on a whole. Like fourteen is really a

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<v Speaker 2>part four for those guys. Fifteen is really a part

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<v Speaker 2>four for those guys. Although they can move the tea's

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<v Speaker 2>back a little bit, it's still a part four for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part, a hard one. But still, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen and fifteen are pretty easy Part five for those guys,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the seventh hole, which is a long hole

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<v Speaker 2>for the members is you know, those guys were hitting

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<v Speaker 2>it right to the lake and there were you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they were flipping into the lake because there's nowhere that

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<v Speaker 2>they can move the tee back. So when Barry van

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<v Speaker 2>Gervik came in, he you know, the greens were always soft,

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<v Speaker 2>and I enjoyed the greens being soft because you could

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<v Speaker 2>you could shoot at a corner pin placement and you know,

0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.800
<v Speaker 2>you could get results. But the course now, especially with

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<v Speaker 2>the bunkering, the fairway bunkering. When Core and Crenshaw came in,

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<v Speaker 2>they put lifts on those bunkers. The bunkers were very benign.

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<v Speaker 2>The fairway bunkers were benign. The green side bunkers have

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<v Speaker 2>always been monsters, but the fairy the fairway bunkers were

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<v Speaker 2>very benign. You hit it in a fairway bunker wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal and the ball would roll through the

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<v Speaker 2>fairway bunker. If you hit it at the fairway bunker

0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.400
<v Speaker 2>with enough strength. Now the ball just hits the lift

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<v Speaker 2>of the bunker and stays. Not only stays in it,

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<v Speaker 2>chances are all half berry under the lift. So h

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think that the greens being firm and

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<v Speaker 2>fast as opposed to you know, a couple of points

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<v Speaker 2>slower and soft, which was what it was during the

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<v Speaker 2>Pullman era and the Alan Ryan era, you know, have

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<v Speaker 2>made the actual green sizes about half of what they

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<v Speaker 2>used to be. The green sizes are the same, but

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<v Speaker 2>because they're firm and fast, you know, they're rolling at

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<v Speaker 2>twelve or whatever during tournaments and they're firm. So the

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<v Speaker 2>targets are literally half of what they used to be.

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<v Speaker 2>And you better hit the ball against the wind, curve it.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to curve it against the wind, and you

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<v Speaker 2>really can't. You really can't shoot at too many pins.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I got to ask after you. You won

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<v Speaker 1>the US Am in eighty one, and you you play,

0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you played professional golf for a little while, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>on the European tour in the mid eighties. I just

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<v Speaker 1>would love to hear, I mean, such a drastically different

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<v Speaker 1>tourn than what you know professional golf is now. If

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<v Speaker 1>you had any stories from the road there, well.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a lot of stories, but I got some

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<v Speaker 2>great stories. But you know, I play, I went through

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<v Speaker 2>the tour school over there. I missed it over here,

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<v Speaker 2>and My first year wasn't too bad. I was eighty

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<v Speaker 2>seventh on the money list and had a good chance

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<v Speaker 2>to win the last tournament, which was the Portuguese Open,

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<v Speaker 2>where I was tied with sev with five holes to

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<v Speaker 2>play and he made a double bogie and I made

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<v Speaker 2>a bogey. And Warren Humphreys one of his only tournament

0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:45.880
<v Speaker 2>in twenty years on the European Tour. Who's now now?

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<v Speaker 2>I believe on the Golf Channel for the European Tour.

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<v Speaker 2>But at any rate, you know, I had plentiful stories.

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<v Speaker 2>But the overview is that I was eighty seventh on

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<v Speaker 2>the money list my first year, you know, one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifteenth I think the second year, and one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty fifth the third. So as they say on

0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Wall Street, I was negative trending. But you know I

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<v Speaker 2>got I got some great friends. All the guys that

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<v Speaker 2>are on the TV who are all my big buddies,

0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Robert Lee, you know, Mark Rowe, Tony Johnston, Richard baxall

0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.159
<v Speaker 2>these guys are all on the European TV for the

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Channel, and I just had a blast making European trends.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, christ the O'Connor junior. All the Irish

0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:41.879
<v Speaker 2>guys were great friends of mine. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think Heimi Gonzalez, the Brazilian, was one of my very

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<v Speaker 2>good friends. And he he's he's buying a bottle of perfume.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a lifelong I believe, bachelor, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>then about twenty nine years old and I'm twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>and I see him buying a bottle of perfume in

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<v Speaker 2>the in the duty free in Paris, and I was like,

0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.520
<v Speaker 2>who are you buying that bottle of fume for? And

0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.679
<v Speaker 2>himI says to me, He says, Nathaniel, you know, I

0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.080
<v Speaker 2>buy this bottle of perfume for a girl I have

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<v Speaker 2>yet to meet. And the other funny story is John Bland,

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<v Speaker 2>the Old Krusty, one of my favorite people in the world.

0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.840
<v Speaker 2>He's crusty old dude who was really a talented player.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he could really play South African and I

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<v Speaker 2>played practice rounds with him once in a while. He

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<v Speaker 2>was probably about thirty nine or forty and I was

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four or five, and I showed up one day

0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:49.480
<v Speaker 2>to the practice screen before our practice round and he's

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<v Speaker 2>putting and he looks up and sees me and greets me,

0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.879
<v Speaker 2>and he says Nathaniel, he says, good to see you,

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<v Speaker 2>my boy. I'm looking forward to today. He says. I wondered.

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<v Speaker 2>I wondered what you both sat to tickets for you

0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.720
<v Speaker 2>for Saturday and Sunday because I know you won't be

0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:16.600
<v Speaker 2>making these guys. Oh, those guys would definitely take the

0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.840
<v Speaker 2>piss out of you. They were so much fun. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Seve was I got to know Seve played

0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.080
<v Speaker 2>with him in the British Open at Troon in eighty two,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, we had the stars if you

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<v Speaker 2>remember we had when I played over there, I got paired,

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<v Speaker 2>sorry about the background there. The Uh we had Seve

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<v Speaker 2>as number one player in the world. We had Langer

0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.120
<v Speaker 2>one year as number one player in the world, and

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<v Speaker 2>uh Faldo lyle wusnomu okay uh. And I played with

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<v Speaker 2>elive belt after his rookie year was my second and

0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.199
<v Speaker 2>because I played well my first year or I was

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<v Speaker 2>probably second or third out of the tour school in

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<v Speaker 2>the highest you know, as far as the money list,

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<v Speaker 2>and they paired me with a life belt five times,

0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:13.080
<v Speaker 2>I think. So I played ten rounds of golf with

0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:17.159
<v Speaker 2>them in eighty six, you know, so I paired with

0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:19.440
<v Speaker 2>him a bunch of Colin Montgomery I played with him

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<v Speaker 2>in his first round as a pro at the Hoggs

0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Castle in Scotland at the Scottish Open. We had a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of guys and the guys that people didn't know

0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:32.920
<v Speaker 2>that could really play. I mean all those Spaniards could

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<v Speaker 2>really I mean kind of Czaris and you know Tennaro,

0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:44.080
<v Speaker 2>he's trying to think of the Rivero could really play.

0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:48.600
<v Speaker 2>In the Irish guys with Damon Darcy and Das Smith

0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:51.000
<v Speaker 2>almost won the British Open at forty nine years old.

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<v Speaker 2>People don't know that Mark McNulty and these guys could

0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.359
<v Speaker 2>really play, and nobody really knew them. But we really

0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:00.920
<v Speaker 2>had the stars. And then they were only giving three

0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:04.000
<v Speaker 2>spots on the European Tour to the Masters, and that

0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:08.639
<v Speaker 2>was a big flying because then they opened it up

0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.960
<v Speaker 2>at the expense of the amateurs. The Masters really opened

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<v Speaker 2>it up in about nineteen eighty eight, I think, and

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<v Speaker 2>right away, I mean, look at all the Europeans that

0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.240
<v Speaker 2>have won the Masters. It's just amazing.

0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.720
<v Speaker 1>It was a era where all the star par because

0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:26.680
<v Speaker 1>the OWGR came out right around then and there wasn't

0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.120
<v Speaker 1>an American that got to number one until Couples did

0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:34.119
<v Speaker 1>in ninety three. You know, all the star power was

0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:35.879
<v Speaker 1>international at that point.

0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Greg Norman was playing over there too. Yeah, I

0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.040
<v Speaker 2>mean Greg would split it. Greg split his time between

0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.359
<v Speaker 2>the two tours, but he was a European Tour member

0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:48.960
<v Speaker 2>price and you know, so yeah, so so Greg was.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when I was eighty seventh on the money list,

0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:54.120
<v Speaker 2>I was behind all those guys. So I didn't feel

0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.679
<v Speaker 2>like I did too bad, but I you know what

0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.879
<v Speaker 2>I just I think looking back, as a player, I

0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.680
<v Speaker 2>did pretty well as an amateur. Other than the amateur too,

0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I was third ranked. I mean golf, I just ranked

0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:09.560
<v Speaker 2>ten players. So I was number three and in eighty

0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:13.720
<v Speaker 2>one and number three in eighty two. And then I

0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't end on a high note. You know, I didn't

0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.919
<v Speaker 2>play great. I didn't really play any tournaments before I

0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.400
<v Speaker 2>turned pro. Tried to play the ammeter one last time

0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.879
<v Speaker 2>but in eighty four, but didn't really end on a

0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:31.680
<v Speaker 2>high note. And then I think, looking back, I don't

0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:35.639
<v Speaker 2>have any misgivings about retiring too soon or quitting at

0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty six or seven years old, whatever I was. I

0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:42.000
<v Speaker 2>think it was twenty just turned twenty seven, but twenty six.

0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.679
<v Speaker 2>I think it just turned twenty six. And you know,

0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:47.639
<v Speaker 2>the thing about it is is I recognized it was

0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:49.679
<v Speaker 2>just going to be a hard career. It was going

0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:51.840
<v Speaker 2>to be I could have maybe stayed out there and

0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:55.200
<v Speaker 2>got in my tour card and played well. But you know,

0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.240
<v Speaker 2>I think when you look at these guys, they're just

0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.520
<v Speaker 2>some guys are better athletes than others. And I had

0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:02.600
<v Speaker 2>I was lucky enough to have dinner with Tom Weiskoff

0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.480
<v Speaker 2>in December and I told him this. I said, you know,

0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 2>you're a point zero zero one percent athlete, right and

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:13.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm probably a top three or four percent athlete. You know,

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:17.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm a good athlete, but you know, to be a

0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.480
<v Speaker 2>top you know, you're not having fun unless you're in

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.320
<v Speaker 2>the top thirty or fifty. And back then you had

0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.400
<v Speaker 2>to be in the top thirty or fifty be making

0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:30.000
<v Speaker 2>any kind of a living. And I just think that

0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:34.040
<v Speaker 2>there's so many good athletes then and now, and these

0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:37.560
<v Speaker 2>guys that you know, we're absolutely I mean, you know,

0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.520
<v Speaker 2>the athleticism is underrated. I think I think these guys

0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:43.280
<v Speaker 2>are just such good athletes because you see so many

0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:47.240
<v Speaker 2>different types of swings. Even my walker Cup players, My

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Walker Cup players, I'm going through. I'm building a picture

0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:53.320
<v Speaker 2>book for the guys right now and a lot of

0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Actually I hired Brian Morgan, the Scottish photographer, and he

0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.800
<v Speaker 2>took two thousand images. So this biggest a marathon to

0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:05.119
<v Speaker 2>put together. But you know, the guys swing so differently.

0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Cole Hammer swings so differently than Stephen Fisk and Isaiah

0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Selinda and Brandon Woo and they all swing so differently.

0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 2>They're all low through the ball, you know, and the

0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:18.160
<v Speaker 2>same thing on the you know, look at the leading

0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:20.880
<v Speaker 2>guys on the beach. Look at yesterday, I mean Matt

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:26.120
<v Speaker 2>wolf and when they dissected, you know, Ricky Fowler's flat.

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, he's got a flat swing that's slightly laid off.

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 2>And you know, then you got Rory that's got a

0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:37.159
<v Speaker 2>picture perfect form. And you know it's they're all so

0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 2>different of you know, Dustin Johnson so shut and you know,

0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:44.480
<v Speaker 2>how can it be? But it's just like I'll bet

0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:47.160
<v Speaker 2>you Dustin Johnson could have played baseball. I bet Rory

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.959
<v Speaker 2>could have played baseball. I bet they could have. You know,

0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Dustin Johnson could have played basketball, sure, you know, and

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Matt Wolfe the guys are total athletes, and.

0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:58.760
<v Speaker 3>That's it's an interesting thing.

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I was going to ask you what you thought, you

0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:04.240
<v Speaker 1>know the difference between someone like you and I don't

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:08.680
<v Speaker 1>think many people would look at Colin Montgomery and scream athlete.

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.920
<v Speaker 1>But there is tremendous athletic ability required to hit a

0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.720
<v Speaker 1>golf ball as consistently and to generate the speed.

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he really had the last extremely upright swing,

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:27.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, but I would bet you there's some athleticism

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.920
<v Speaker 2>in his genes, you know, because that's a different swing too.

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 2>And it's just it's how easy the game is. You know,

0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 2>how easy is it for somebody to repeat their swing?

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.440
<v Speaker 2>And you know when you're you know when Jack Nicholas

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 2>describes is one iron that he hit on the seventeenth

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 2>hole in the US Open in nineteen seventy two. You know,

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 2>he felt like he was a little shut and you know,

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.159
<v Speaker 2>at the top of the swing and he made an adjustment.

0:25:54.960 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 2>You gotta, I mean, are you kidding me? Make an

0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:02.920
<v Speaker 2>adjustment on a two hundred and thirty five yard shot.

0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, when you're leading the US Open and you

0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 2>hit the pin with with a one iron, you know,

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:16.720
<v Speaker 2>that's incredible instinct, incredible athleticism to be able to do that,

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 2>whether you you know, whatever you do, archer. You know,

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.400
<v Speaker 2>whatever his adjustment was, whether he arched his back more,

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:24.199
<v Speaker 2>he you know, stayed down the line more, or whatever

0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 2>his adjustment was, you know, was his secret. But you know,

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 2>and then you look at you know, Hogan did it

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 2>with technique because Tony Kinney used to tell me that

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:36.639
<v Speaker 2>he really wasn't that great a player until he changed

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 2>his He used to swing along and have a he

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 2>used to fight a bad hook, and then he changed

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:44.960
<v Speaker 2>his grip to where he knew he could never hook

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 2>the ball. So he did it with technique. But under

0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:50.159
<v Speaker 2>underneath it all, he was a good you know, he's

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful athlete, you know. So you know, I think

0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:56.879
<v Speaker 2>obviously chipping and putting a nerve has a lot to

0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 2>do with it as well, and that has a lot

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 2>to do confidence. But boy, sure looks like a lot

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 2>of golf holes are easier for Dustin Johnson than a

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:10.359
<v Speaker 2>lot of other people, you know, And he can bombit

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:12.359
<v Speaker 2>that way. And this guy, Matt Wolfe is the same.

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 2>He was lucky enough to have him in my practice

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:18.680
<v Speaker 2>squad last year or a year and a half ago

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 2>where he played seminole. We played Seminole twice and then

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 2>played macart Or twice or Medalist mccarts are, and then

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 2>bear Slub twice. So I had him for six rounds.

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 2>And you know, this guy is totally the real deal.

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 2>He has at three point thirty and as you saw yesterday,

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 2>he's a bomber and he knows his golf swing. He's great,

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:42.879
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna win a lot.

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he had Calin Marcawa in that also, right.

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 2>I haven't watched Colin Marikawa because I knew that he

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 2>was going to turn tro before my so I might

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 2>have seen him at the US Amateur a few holes

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:01.400
<v Speaker 2>when I I'm trying to think of who he played,

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 2>But I missed Justin Sue and Colin Morrikawa, who declined

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:08.919
<v Speaker 2>the practice of the Glad thing because he was still

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 2>he knew he was going to turn pro off the

0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 2>n C two A and Matt Wolf and a couple

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:17.480
<v Speaker 2>of other guys were still considering playing the Walker Cup

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 2>but took the practice squad matches.

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Was there was there anybody else that you know that

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:27.640
<v Speaker 1>obviously playing a Walker Cup you're extraordinarily talented and even

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 1>be considered was there any any of the other guy

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.399
<v Speaker 1>that just like wowed you, like in the sense of

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Wolf where you knew he was good, but you didn't

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 1>know he was that good.

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 2>I I gotta say that all of all ten of

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 2>the players that were on the team were there was

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 2>no favorite. It was you know, my whole you know,

0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't say, you know, even you know, just theoretically,

0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 2>I kind of said, you know, Andy Ogletree and John

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Augustine had just got into the finals of the US

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:07.959
<v Speaker 2>Amateur two weeks earlier, three weeks earlier, So kind of

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 2>figured you got to play those guys four times, and

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 2>they had the hot hand. You know, Cole Hammers number

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 2>one ring player in the world, and Steven Fisk had

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 2>won nine college tournaments I think, including six that year

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 2>and finished second in the NC two as is. So

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 2>I paired those guys together and made sure that they

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 2>played in both the singles matches. You know, I think

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 2>ox shave Tea probably has the best raw talent of

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 2>any player I've ever seen. I mean, the guy's got

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>a wingstand that's just amazing, and he being seventeen, and

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Stuart Hagastad being the only mid amateur I kind of

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 2>thought that that was a good fit. And you know,

0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I think the other guys, John Pawk and Celinda were

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>getting along grave But I think Brandon Wu and Smalley

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 2>and Isaiah and they're all I think they're all destined

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 2>to do very well. And I think, you know, Stuart

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Hagastad by the way, choose an amateur path. I think

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 2>this guy, because he's going to have fifteen or more

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 2>shots of winning a US Amateur. I think he's got

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 2>a very good chance of winning multiple US Amateurs. And

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll bet you I'll be surprised if he doesn't win

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 2>four or five minameters because he is that good. And

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's uh, it's he's really impressive. He got

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 2>to the quarters. I think of the US amitter last year,

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 2>and you know.

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 3>But he's really is Pebble too.

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Pebble is the one I was thinking about last year. Yeah,

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Pebble he got to the quarters and that's the one

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 2>that I was thinking of. But he, you know, he

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.479
<v Speaker 2>literally is disappointed when he loses. And you know, it's

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 2>been a bad week for him to get to the

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 2>semifinals of the midameter. You know, I mean, it's a

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 2>bad week for me his pest. You know, he wants

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 2>to do he wants to restart the week when he

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 2>gets to the semifinals, where basically anybody else who's the

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 2>midameter would take, you know, being a mid you know,

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 2>getting to the semifinals at the beginning of the week.

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 2>So he's he is heads and shoulders to me. Uh,

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's Scott Harvey and Matt Paris Ali and

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Parsi Ali and the others. To be sure, and I

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 2>haven't followed or studied the midams quite as well, but

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you one thing Stuart hagisat is not a

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 2>oh boy, we have to take a midamter. H he doesn't,

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, There's there's no he is. He's a great

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 2>presence and he really was a great chafferone as well

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 2>for for you know, the Wild the Wild Child, which

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 2>there were some on our team and it was a

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 2>great chaperone for Aacsha and uh you know, but but

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 2>I love I loved each and every one of them.

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 2>It was just a blast, and you know it would

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 2>be hard for me to pick one. I was really

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.719
<v Speaker 2>impressed with Andy ogle Tree and of course Jean Augustine.

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, these guys are they're all top notch, but uh,

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 2>just looking at the images there, their form and their technique,

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>it's just amazing. And uh and I think they're all

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 2>going to go a long ways. I think it's hard

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 2>to get on tour that you know, you've got so

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 2>many wrinkles now and you've got a bottleneck with this

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Corona virus, you know, and uh, you know, to get

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 2>on the PGA Tour because you got you know, the guys.

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 2>They've got to be fair to the guys that got

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 2>through the corn Ferry last year, and you know it's

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 2>going to be a bottleneck trying to get on the

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 2>PGA Tour. So it'll be interesting to see what the

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 2>PGA Tour does and how they adjust their you know,

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 2>the eligibility factor on how you you know, how many

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 2>guys can be on the tour and the tournaments and

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 2>you know what's going to happen with the corn Ferry

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 2>and the upcoming qualifying for the following year.

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>So approaching being the Walker Cup captain for a second year,

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 1>so you know, obviously you were last year and then

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 1>you're for twenty twenty one, are you are you approaching

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>it any differently than you did the first time.

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 3>Is there anything that you learned from.

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, this last one I've been able to you know,

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 2>I was able to look at the goat the guys

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 2>for two summers, and I generally started it at the

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 2>n C two A's. I didn't really interrupt my life

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 2>enough to, you know, travel to college tournaments that were

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 2>regional in nature, so I did the I started my

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 2>touring at the n C two a's and then tried

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 2>to go in a time warp to the old tournaments

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 2>that I used to play in, like the Porter Cup

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 2>and the transmiss and the Western Amateur and so forth.

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 2>So it was kind of like a time more for me.

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 2>But you know, this year a lot of the tournament's

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:08.359
<v Speaker 2>been canceled of the Walker Cup is in May, so

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 2>I'll only have this summer to really scout the players.

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>N C two as has been canceled, and next year's

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 2>n C two A is after is after the the

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Walker Cup the two weeks after, so it'll be a

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 2>much more abbreviated scouting deal. But I that was one

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 2>of the funnest parts about it for me, with scouting

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:37.479
<v Speaker 2>the players and getting another families. I think I got

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:43.480
<v Speaker 2>to see like Ricky Castillo play, and yeah, a few

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 2>of the other a few of the other players that

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 2>would be considered because of their you know, junior careers.

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 2>So Ricky Castillo to me is, you know, his last summer,

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 2>his successes last summer. I believe we're going to count

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.279
<v Speaker 2>and you know, he was freshman of the year. You know,

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 2>it'll be interesting to see if some of the guys

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 2>that were on my team the last time choose to,

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, another year of college golf, because if they

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:13.320
<v Speaker 2>choose to play another year of college golf because of

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:16.720
<v Speaker 2>the bottleneck, you know, it keeps you know, that doesn't

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.279
<v Speaker 2>allow him to have cash, they won't have cash, but

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 2>they play another year of college golf and then they can.

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, that would be John Pack who's a senior

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 2>in Florida State, and Andy at Georgia Tech and Vocal Tree,

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 2>and of course John Augustin at Vanderbilt. So you know,

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I was, if anything, I was a little disappointed that

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Akshay but Tia turned pro. I just I think that

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 2>he is an incredible, incredible talent. A lot of the

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 2>European guys have done that. They turned pro at seventeen.

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was a financial it might have

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 2>been a financial decision, but I don't think it was

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 2>a financial necessity. But I don't know that enough. I

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.959
<v Speaker 2>don't know enough, But you know, I kind of wish

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.799
<v Speaker 2>that he had won fifteen to twenty college tournaments, which

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 2>was inevitable for this guy, and had gotten the college

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 2>life experience and enjoyed, you know, the maturity that that

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 2>brings in that part of your life. So I was,

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:24.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, he kind of got thrown it through himself

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:27.879
<v Speaker 2>in the deep end right away. And you know, things

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 2>are different when you don't when you're not the center

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 2>of attention. Right when he when he showed up a

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 2>junior tournament, he was definitely the center of attention. And

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I watched him when the Taylor made Rolex Junior at

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 2>PGA by about seven or eight shots, and you know,

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen anybody make so many pots. It was amazing.

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:52.040
<v Speaker 2>But he's a great, great kid.

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Great golf becomes so much tougher when it's your job too.

0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know about that. I think, you know,

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 2>I you know, the thing about golf is that when

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 2>you show up on the range and you look down

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 2>the range and you know you're better than ninety ninety

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:18.240
<v Speaker 2>percent of the people there, and the other guy who's

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:21.800
<v Speaker 2>on the range can only beat you one and three times.

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 2>You don't worry about a double bogue. When you make it,

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like, you know, you make a double

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Bogu's I got no big deal. I'm going to come

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 2>back with three birdies. When you are in the Masters

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:37.280
<v Speaker 2>and you make a double bogie, you're like, holy shit,

0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:41.399
<v Speaker 2>I hope I don't make another one. It's just a

0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 2>different metal deal. When you're looking down the range and

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 2>you see guys that you're not sure you can be

0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 2>day in and day out, it's just a different It's

0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 2>harder to play your own game. I guess that's the

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:56.839
<v Speaker 2>easiest way of saying it.

0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Back to Ricky Cass, you know I can't.

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>A good buddy of mining plays at the Western am

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 1>every year, and I came for him and he a

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 1>few years ago.

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I'll never forget.

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 1>It was at Skochie and he's paired with this Ricky Castillo,

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:12.400
<v Speaker 1>who I think at the time was fifteen, and we

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:15.800
<v Speaker 1>were about twelve holes in. I turned to my buddy,

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, holy shit, this kid could play, and

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:22.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean he shot like the most effortless sixty seven

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.239
<v Speaker 1>or sixty six that day, and I just couldn't. I've

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 1>been following him ever since, and it's just it's not

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>surprising to see him on such an upward trajectory.

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Well Speaker, That's where I saw him at the Western

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 2>last year at Butler National, and he played that guy

0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Eric Bay Eric in the quarters, I think, and he should.

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I think he was part in he par No. He

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 2>shot sixty three and one on the last. He won

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 2>one on. He's guys shot sixty three and sixty five

0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 2>on on you know what I think. The other player

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm watching, of course is Davis Thompson and from Georgia.

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 2>I saw him he lost actually and the rain delay

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 2>at the Jones Cup, but he played fantastic at the

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Western last year. So I've gotten to see these guys.

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:17.800
<v Speaker 2>I've got Tha Gallia who's going to be highly highly ranked.

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 2>And Tha Gallia had a great year at Pepperdine and

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:25.319
<v Speaker 2>I saw him play at the Western last year and

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 2>also at the US Amateur at Pebble. So I've seen

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these guys. Pearson Coody, I've seen a bunch.

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:38.279
<v Speaker 2>William Mout I've seen a little bit. So you know,

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:42.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm not unfamiliar with Craig Cummins. I saw at the

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Western and he looks fantastic as well. I miss seeing

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 2>him win the Pacific Coast. But in any rate, so

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:55.800
<v Speaker 2>most of the guys that are highly ranked, Trent Phillips

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:58.279
<v Speaker 2>is down there to have seen him, I haven't seen

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 2>a few of the others. Thorpe's and I saw It's

0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:06.880
<v Speaker 2>at the Peddle Beach last year at the at the Open,

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 2>So you know, I've gotten I've gotten familiar with a

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:15.760
<v Speaker 2>bunch of these guys that are currently being considered. Cannon

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Klake have I watched. I think he finished second to

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:24.799
<v Speaker 2>Akshay and at that Rolex Junior. But at any rate,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll I'll hopefully get to see, you know, four or

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:30.360
<v Speaker 2>five tournaments this summer. I'm hoping to go to the Transmits,

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 2>hoping to go to definitely be going to the US

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Hammer at Bandon Dunes and hopefully the Porter Cuff if

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.720
<v Speaker 2>they don't cancel these events. So I know they've canceled

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:48.880
<v Speaker 2>the Pacific Coast already, so it'll it'll be interesting to

0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:51.839
<v Speaker 2>see if these guys scrub out. Sonny Hand. I will

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:56.400
<v Speaker 2>go to as well. I believe they've postponed it but

0:40:56.520 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 2>haven't canceled it. So North North Yeah, Northeastern unfortunately got canceled.

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:04.279
<v Speaker 2>I was looking forward to going up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hopefully they'll they'll get some of them in so

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.840
<v Speaker 1>you get you know, because obviously college golf is in

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:12.439
<v Speaker 1>question next year.

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 3>So last question.

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:16.800
<v Speaker 1>You've been more than generous with your time, and I

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:19.440
<v Speaker 1>don't want to take too much up. I got to

0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 1>ask about, you know how, what was like grown up

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<v Speaker 1>in the same neck of the woods as Bobby Clampett

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 1>as a junior and amateur golfer.

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 2>He was about a year or two older than me,

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.920
<v Speaker 2>But we got paired in the US Junior Qualifying and

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 2>at Stanford and Sharon Heights and you know so, and

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 2>we got paired together Pacific Coast Junior So we got

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:47.399
<v Speaker 2>a paired more than a few times. And I think

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 2>he was seventeen and I was fifteen that one summer,

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 2>and I want a bunch of junior tournaments for my age,

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 2>but was always losing to Bobby for the overall, you

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 2>know so, but he was great, and then we played

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:04.880
<v Speaker 2>at college golf. He was a brigging young for a

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 2>little bit and uh, you know, he went to Robert

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:11.839
<v Speaker 2>Lewis Stevenson High School before he went to Brigham Young.

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 2>But he was definitely the player I was playing in

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 2>that British Open at True Truon that he could have won.

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 2>But you know, he he uh, he really had it

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 2>going on, and he had that golf machine thing down

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 2>perfectly and was working with Ben Doyle for a long

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:37.400
<v Speaker 2>time and something happened, there is my understanding, something happened

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:39.879
<v Speaker 2>with him and Ben Doyle and and uh he kind

0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:44.720
<v Speaker 2>of lost his teacher and then he tried to change

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 2>his swing. But boy, I gotta say, everybody thought he

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 2>was the next you know, Jack Nicholas, Tom Watson, whomever,

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:54.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, he was going to be the next great player.

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 1>How how would you say, like from an you know,

0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:59.840
<v Speaker 1>from an amateur resume, how he compared.

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 3>With some of the other grace that you've seen.

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's it's interesting he won the Spaulding

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Tournament as an amateur, which was not an officially recognized

0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 2>tour event. But that was pretty impressive for a twenty

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:15.880
<v Speaker 2>one year old amateur to do that. But then you

0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:18.880
<v Speaker 2>look at Scott Burplank, you know, Scott Burplank won the

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Western Amateur. Okay, won the Western Open. I mean he

0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 2>won the Western Open as an amateur. And you know

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 2>I think Michelson did it at Tucson, right, Yeah, but

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:37.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that it. Shoot, Scott Verplank won everything twice. Yeah,

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 2>he won the you know, I mean, if you look

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:44.919
<v Speaker 2>at Scott for Plank's record, I don't have I don't

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 2>have it in front of me. But he won the

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 2>quarter Cup, he won the Western, he won the Western

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, won the Western Amateur and Opening. He won,

0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 2>He won them all, and you know that's I kind

0:43:57.760 --> 0:43:59.440
<v Speaker 2>of overlapped. He was a little bit younger than me.

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:02.680
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I got a lot of time with

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Hal Sutton, got a lot of time with Marcomearra. You know,

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Corey Pavin was my age, so we had a pretty

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 2>good crop. I mean, I was Scott Hope. You know,

0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Hal and Scott Hope were a little bit ahead of me.

0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 2>But I got invited to all these tournaments when I

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 2>was seventeen and eighteen, so I got you know, John Cook,

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.680
<v Speaker 2>and I got the class ahead of me because I

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 2>was getting invited to these tournaments that were really young. Yeah,

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:33.920
<v Speaker 2>I played well in the junior I was medalist in

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:38.040
<v Speaker 2>the junior so I got kind of justified the invice

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 2>to these tournaments. So I was getting a lot of

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:43.320
<v Speaker 2>exposure from my dad's things, so I didn't I was

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:45.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of cluttering up the field, finishing in the middle

0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:48.360
<v Speaker 2>of the pack. And then and then I started to

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I played well in college my freshman year and one,

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 2>and you know, but and then you know, quarterfinals this

0:44:57.120 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 2>transmiss and North and South same thing, and semi finals

0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and the Broadmoor, so I was kind of hanging around. Yeah,

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 2>but I was, you know, I hadn't won anything big

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 2>before the US Amateur but but anyway, it was it

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 2>was great too, you know, to get around all of

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.920
<v Speaker 2>those guys, and and we had a great crop of

0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:24.320
<v Speaker 2>players for sure.

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:29.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it was. I mean, it's it's interesting.

0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>It's just always so fascinating to watch, you know, amateur

0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:39.160
<v Speaker 1>and which which ones turned into you know, great professionals,

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's just such a fine line.

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 3>It's so tricky.

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:45.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, the difference between a few major wins and

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:47.920
<v Speaker 1>a few tour winds is so great, but not really

0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 1>that big when you when you look at it, and

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:51.720
<v Speaker 1>when when you think about it.

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:59.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just when you look at you know,

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Greg Norman having two majors is just you know, I mean,

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:07.840
<v Speaker 2>there's some guys that just look so much better than others,

0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 2>and you know, you kind of see it on the

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:12.560
<v Speaker 2>back of the range when you're watching people at balls.

0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:15.200
<v Speaker 2>But and that's the that's the thing that actually is

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 2>going to have to go through, is like everybody hits

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 2>it as good or better than he does. That's never

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:22.319
<v Speaker 2>happened to him before. You've never been in that kind

0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 2>of an environment, you know what I mean. But boy

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:28.840
<v Speaker 2>to that kid certainly has a wingspan. It's a fine line,

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:32.879
<v Speaker 2>for sure. But the guys that are a little bit

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:36.799
<v Speaker 2>better than everybody else, you know, they understand it and

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 2>they know it, and that's why they go in week

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 2>in and week out and perform. And it's easier for

0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:46.720
<v Speaker 2>the guys that know it to play their own games.

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:50.759
<v Speaker 2>And the guys that are you know, you know, I

0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 2>mean Tom Lehman didn't really start breaking through until he

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:58.920
<v Speaker 2>was thirty thirty one, right, yeah, yeah, And Hogan was

0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 2>on this. Pogan could have given up. I mean, if

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:06.440
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't, you know, make the paycheck in Oakland, he

0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 2>quit and you know, his whole career wouldn't have unfolded

0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:13.840
<v Speaker 2>if he doesn't make that paycheck in Oakland, right, So

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:17.439
<v Speaker 2>it's it's amazing. But Hogan didn't win a major until

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 2>he was thirty five. So it's amazing how the success

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 2>happens and when it happens and for what reason. But

0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 2>stable lifestyle is a big part of it, as well

0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 2>as the athleticism and the nerves being the third.

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, it's it requires all facets to be

0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 1>truly great. But I really appreciate the time, Nathaniel, and

0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:43.320
<v Speaker 1>look forward to hopefully seeing you out at an amateur

0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:46.359
<v Speaker 1>tournament this summer. Hopefully that some of these happened and

0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 1>it'll be fun to watch, you know, maybe have you

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:53.760
<v Speaker 1>back on to talk before the next year's Walker Cup.

0:47:55.440 --> 0:48:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic, all right, look forward to it. M