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Click the pro Shop up in the top 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: corner and get yourself a new polo with the egg 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: logo right on the pocket. Today's episode is with Walker 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: Cup Captain Nathaniel Crosby, Nathaniel was the captain in twenty 21 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: nineteen when the US won the Walker Cup, and he 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: will be the captain in twenty twenty one at Seminole 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: where he's a member. So we quickly talk about the 24 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: match that was there, the Rory McElroy, Dustin Johnson, Ricky Fowler, 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: Matthew Wolf match, and then we dive into some of 26 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: his playing career on the European Tours, and then we 27 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: talk about the twenty twenty one Walker Cup. So, without 28 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: further ado, here's Nathaniel Crosby. 29 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: I miss the green, for example, I'm already upset. When 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 31 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a brid egg 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: Friday egg the dread and Friday Egg Frida, egg Frida 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: egg Brian egg Frida egg Bride egg Lie, I'm about 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: ready to run off of the hump course. 35 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: Yea, I'm just thinking about that era. 36 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: And you know you had Adams, you guys at or Lamar, 37 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: and then not too far later you had Sonar. Tech 38 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: all kind of come in and become this in vogue. 39 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: Must have Fairway Wood? Was there something about fairway Woods 40 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: that allowed for entry easier than any other point with 41 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: with golf clubs. 42 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: Well, I'll give you a very I'll give you another 43 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: quick one of my golf manufacturing experience, which is now 44 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: and been suspended for fifteen or so years because I 45 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: haven't been in the business for almost twenty years now, 46 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: but I do follow it. The history of the tour 47 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: count my store keeping unit is the same percentage is 48 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: a mere percentage of the market share. So when Ping 49 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: started to dominate on the PGA Tour and they had 50 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: sixty percent of the players or forty five percent of 51 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: the players or whatever it was and used Ping putters, 52 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: the market share was exactly the same titleist golf ball 53 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: since the fifties. Right, it's the count the market share. 54 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: And you know this is the same as the counts. 55 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: You know, seventy percent of the touring pros. It's the 56 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: same deal all the way through, all the way to 57 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: Fairway Woods. And we had the we outsold Callaway of 58 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: my storekeeping unit. We didn't out sell them by brand, 59 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: but we have sold Calaway by you know they if 60 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: you're talking about the Trimetal versus Callaway, you know, any 61 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: one storekeeping unit of Callaway that was a fairy would 62 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: we have sold them because they in nineteen ninety eight 63 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: and nine, So you know, I think the big thing 64 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: what we did as a category is Adams really came 65 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: out first, but they didn't commit to the PGA tour 66 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: and they had a few guys on the Senior tour 67 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: playing it, but they created that shallow wood. And my 68 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: whole feeling about you know, any product is if it's 69 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: different and it's a better and it's a better product 70 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: for a significant part of the market, doesn't have to 71 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: be all the market. Could be thirty percent of the market, 72 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: could be forty percent of the market. But if it's 73 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: a better product for part of the market that's significant enough, 74 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: then you can really capture some market share. And the 75 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: shallow faced woods were you know, people were hitting them 76 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 2: further because you could have lower loft and get them 77 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: in the air. So instead of a fifteen degree three wood, 78 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: you were in a thirteen degree three wood, or you know, 79 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 2: instead of a four wood at seven at nineteen degrees, 80 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: you're in a seventeen degree four wood, So you're just 81 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: hitting it further. But it did have some negatives and 82 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: people topped them if they tried to swing up on them. 83 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: They had to kind of hit them like an iron. 84 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: And uh, you know I always used to present it 85 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: by saying there was a vertical margin of air that 86 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: wasn't as great as a deeper you know, the vertical 87 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: margin air wasn't as good. So if you if you 88 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: chop down on it in the rough, you'd you know, 89 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: you'd fluff it. You'd hit right under it. But you 90 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: could hit it out of kind of nest, you know, 91 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: if in the short rough you could you could bomb 92 00:05:54,560 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: it out of the short run. Yeah, uh, you just 93 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: had to keep it. I mean I was a different player. 94 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: I was thirty five or thirty eight years old then 95 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: I could still have a reasonable back. But I remember 96 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: hitting that, you know, that eleven degree. I could hit 97 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: that two hundred and fifty five or sixty yards and 98 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: off the ground and that was just a game changer 99 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: for me. And you know, the thirteen degree was you know, 100 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: maybe ten yards less, but you know, you could get 101 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 2: an eleven degree fairlywood up in the air and you 102 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: could have it. You know, you could hold par fives 103 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: with it and for the average play. And I was 104 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: like playing with my partner at the Cravens, my uh, 105 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: the Botuto, my Orlamar co chairman at the Leonard the Cravens, 106 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 2: and I was looking at him trying to use a 107 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: pretty average player about a ten or twelve handicap, and 108 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: I was like, man, am I glad he's using that 109 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: at orland Mark tri Medal as opposed to a traditional 110 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: because just an awkward lie or of a thin lie, 111 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: you could still nail those of Mars. And you know, 112 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 2: it's just a The golf manufacturing business is a hard business. 113 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: And I just felt like, you know, I grew two 114 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: companies and missed the ring on both of them. So 115 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: I'm still kissed, you know, because I succeeded in a 116 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: really hard category and really didn't get the windfall because 117 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: you know, I think Lamar we went from one hundred 118 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: and fifteen million in ninety nine and lost control of 119 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: the company, and I was stayed on the board for 120 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: another year and a half and just couldn't handle the 121 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: direction they were trying to underpromise and over deliver. 122 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: Young companies are just a crazy, uh atmosphere, and there's 123 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: so much stuff that goes on, and I think you 124 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: allude to hear the line was so thin, you know, 125 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: talking getting talking some golf I mean, we we got 126 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: to see our first love live golf yesterday. Did you 127 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: I assume you tuned in to to Seminal where we're 128 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: going to be having Walker Cup next year. What what 129 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: were your thoughts on yesterday's match. 130 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: I just thought it was fantastic, you know, the to 131 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: see Seminole on TV, and you know, the drone videos 132 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: were just made made of course look so beautiful, exquisite, 133 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: and you know, I love the mystery of Seminole. I 134 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: love the the fact that I'm mixed in with a 135 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: bunch of old other retired champions and uh, we're mixed 136 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: in with these masters of the universe that have you know, 137 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 2: uh really you know, titans of industry, and we all 138 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 2: get along great. It's a great chemistry that really very 139 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: Van Gerviig the you know, I think there had been 140 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: a little bit of that before, but Barry van Gervig 141 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: really ushered in the old retired champions to mix in. 142 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: Billy Joe Patton I think was a member here, and 143 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: you know, former Walker Cupper, but in Captain and I 144 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: think and and we had so many but it was 145 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: just a little bit in Mick and uh, Barry Van 146 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: Gervig really allowed me to be a part of the club. 147 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: And you know, uh ushered In down In Gray and 148 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: Benny Giles and uh Spider Miller, Mike McCoy, Uh, you know, 149 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: Buddy Marucci just goes on and on. I know I'm 150 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: going to leave out some but you know, Gene Elliott 151 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: now is you know, great amateur golfer, and we all 152 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: have a we all have a blast together. We all 153 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: love playing. Dick citter Off one of my best buddies 154 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 2: I have. I love to hand pick old crotchety guy. 155 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 2: So I love Dick citter Off's death, who won the 156 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: British Amateur a couple of times, and I think he 157 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: played in ten or twelve Masters. So we have a 158 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: blast together there. And uh, you know, Dick would be 159 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: playing with Ken Ling Gome or you know, you go 160 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: out there and you know get paired with you know, 161 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: Tom Ryan or Ed Hurley or Jimmy Donner. All these 162 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: guys that are absolute champions of industry. 163 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's obviously an incredible place. How did you feel 164 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: the course held up. I know there's a lot of people. 165 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: I think most of the most of the pros that 166 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: had played there knew that it wasn't a pushover. But 167 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: you know, I saw some pundits were saying that it 168 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: might be, you know, it might get eaten alive. But 169 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, even with the rain, it seemed like it 170 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: held up pretty well. 171 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: Well. I think it really held up well in hol Hicks. 172 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: The Seminole greenskeeper really did a great job. But you know, 173 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: when it rained three inches and two days before and 174 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: collectively three inches and the two days prior, that's the 175 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 2: firmness of the greens. And the wind is really the 176 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: number one defense on that golf course because the greens, 177 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: you know, sloped to the sides, and if you work 178 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 2: your ball with the wind at all, the ball will 179 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 2: roll eighty feet across the green and go into the bark. 180 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: So you really have to bank your ball against the wind. 181 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: You got a right to left wind, you better fade it. 182 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: You have a left right wind, you better draw it. 183 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: And you better have that ball coming down hitting the 184 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: green when at lands straight. You know, it can't it 185 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: can't be coming in on an angle or it just 186 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: rolls out. And I think that that was missing a 187 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: little bit yesterday because the greens were so soft, and 188 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 2: you know, the course was the fairways were soft, so 189 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: they weren't running. There's just nothing that could be done 190 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: about that. You can't get out there with the blow dryer, 191 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: you know. So, but I think I think the targets 192 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: are so hard to hit, and I think the course 193 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: held up pretty darn well considering I think it would 194 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: have been perhaps more intriguing if if the wind was 195 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: blowing and the frank greens were firm. 196 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: What you were talking about there with the banking and 197 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: do you feel you know, obviously Ben Hogan's famous for 198 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: talking about it. If you can play seminole, you can 199 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: play anywhere. Is that the essence of sevenole that you 200 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: think he was talking about? Where the idea of you 201 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: having to be able to control your trajectory in so 202 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: many different ways to find the greens? 203 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: I think then it was a longer course for you know, 204 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: for ben Hogan, but it was also a much firmer fairway. 205 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: The fairways were firmer from what I understand, you know, 206 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 2: depending on the time of the year. When Claude Harmon 207 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: shot a sixty, I only know about this, you know. 208 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 2: Tony Pennis said that they had a drought that year 209 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: and it was a pitch and put course. You know, 210 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: and Craig Garvin used to or Claude Harmon used to say, yeah, yeah, 211 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: they talk about my sixty all the time, but they 212 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 2: don't tell that I shot sixty three the next day. 213 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: He shot one twenty three in two days. And I 214 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 2: know because I used to spend countless hours with Tony Penna, 215 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: who was playing with him. But I think, you know, 216 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 2: when Barry van Gervik took over, he made a strategic, 217 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: you know, a philosophical difference with the course. I think 218 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: the ball was going further. This was in the early nineties, 219 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: you know, it really wasn't didn't take the big jump 220 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 2: until the PROVX in the well whenever. That was two 221 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 2: thousand and four or five when the prov X came out. 222 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: But the guys are getting bigger, everybody's getting stronger, so 223 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: it's impossible to link in the course more than they 224 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: really have on a whole. Like fourteen is really a 225 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: part four for those guys. Fifteen is really a part 226 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 2: four for those guys. Although they can move the tea's 227 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 2: back a little bit, it's still a part four for 228 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: the most part, a hard one. But still, you know, 229 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: fourteen and fifteen are pretty easy Part five for those guys, 230 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 2: you know, the seventh hole, which is a long hole 231 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 2: for the members is you know, those guys were hitting 232 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: it right to the lake and there were you know, 233 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: they were flipping into the lake because there's nowhere that 234 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: they can move the tee back. So when Barry van 235 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: Gervik came in, he you know, the greens were always soft, 236 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: and I enjoyed the greens being soft because you could 237 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: you could shoot at a corner pin placement and you know, 238 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: you could get results. But the course now, especially with 239 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: the bunkering, the fairway bunkering. When Core and Crenshaw came in, 240 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: they put lifts on those bunkers. The bunkers were very benign. 241 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: The fairway bunkers were benign. The green side bunkers have 242 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: always been monsters, but the fairy the fairway bunkers were 243 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: very benign. You hit it in a fairway bunker wasn't 244 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: a big deal and the ball would roll through the 245 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: fairway bunker. If you hit it at the fairway bunker 246 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: with enough strength. Now the ball just hits the lift 247 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: of the bunker and stays. Not only stays in it, 248 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: chances are all half berry under the lift. So h 249 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 2: you know, I think that the greens being firm and 250 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: fast as opposed to you know, a couple of points 251 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: slower and soft, which was what it was during the 252 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: Pullman era and the Alan Ryan era, you know, have 253 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: made the actual green sizes about half of what they 254 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: used to be. The green sizes are the same, but 255 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: because they're firm and fast, you know, they're rolling at 256 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: twelve or whatever during tournaments and they're firm. So the 257 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: targets are literally half of what they used to be. 258 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: And you better hit the ball against the wind, curve it. 259 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: You have to curve it against the wind, and you 260 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: really can't. You really can't shoot at too many pins. 261 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got to ask after you. You won 262 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: the US Am in eighty one, and you you play, 263 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: you played professional golf for a little while, and you're 264 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: on the European tour in the mid eighties. I just 265 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: would love to hear, I mean, such a drastically different 266 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: tourn than what you know professional golf is now. If 267 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: you had any stories from the road there, well. 268 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: I got a lot of stories, but I got some 269 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: great stories. But you know, I play, I went through 270 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: the tour school over there. I missed it over here, 271 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: and My first year wasn't too bad. I was eighty 272 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: seventh on the money list and had a good chance 273 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: to win the last tournament, which was the Portuguese Open, 274 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: where I was tied with sev with five holes to 275 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: play and he made a double bogie and I made 276 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: a bogey. And Warren Humphreys one of his only tournament 277 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: in twenty years on the European Tour. Who's now now? 278 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: I believe on the Golf Channel for the European Tour. 279 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: But at any rate, you know, I had plentiful stories. 280 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: But the overview is that I was eighty seventh on 281 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: the money list my first year, you know, one hundred 282 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: and fifteenth I think the second year, and one hundred 283 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: and fifty fifth the third. So as they say on 284 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 2: Wall Street, I was negative trending. But you know I 285 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: got I got some great friends. All the guys that 286 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: are on the TV who are all my big buddies, 287 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 2: Robert Lee, you know, Mark Rowe, Tony Johnston, Richard baxall 288 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 2: these guys are all on the European TV for the 289 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: Golf Channel, and I just had a blast making European trends. 290 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: And you know, christ the O'Connor junior. All the Irish 291 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 2: guys were great friends of mine. And you know, I 292 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 2: think Heimi Gonzalez, the Brazilian, was one of my very 293 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: good friends. And he he's he's buying a bottle of perfume. 294 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: He was a lifelong I believe, bachelor, and he was 295 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: then about twenty nine years old and I'm twenty four 296 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: and I see him buying a bottle of perfume in 297 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 2: the in the duty free in Paris, and I was like, 298 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: who are you buying that bottle of fume for? And 299 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 2: himI says to me, He says, Nathaniel, you know, I 300 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: buy this bottle of perfume for a girl I have 301 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 2: yet to meet. And the other funny story is John Bland, 302 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: the Old Krusty, one of my favorite people in the world. 303 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: He's crusty old dude who was really a talented player. 304 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: I mean he could really play South African and I 305 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: played practice rounds with him once in a while. He 306 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 2: was probably about thirty nine or forty and I was 307 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 2: twenty four or five, and I showed up one day 308 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: to the practice screen before our practice round and he's 309 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 2: putting and he looks up and sees me and greets me, 310 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 2: and he says Nathaniel, he says, good to see you, 311 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 2: my boy. I'm looking forward to today. He says. I wondered. 312 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 2: I wondered what you both sat to tickets for you 313 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: for Saturday and Sunday because I know you won't be 314 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: making these guys. Oh, those guys would definitely take the 315 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: piss out of you. They were so much fun. But 316 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: you know, Seve was I got to know Seve played 317 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: with him in the British Open at Troon in eighty two, 318 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, we had the stars if you 319 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: remember we had when I played over there, I got paired, 320 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: sorry about the background there. The Uh we had Seve 321 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: as number one player in the world. We had Langer 322 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: one year as number one player in the world, and 323 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: uh Faldo lyle wusnomu okay uh. And I played with 324 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 2: elive belt after his rookie year was my second and 325 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 2: because I played well my first year or I was 326 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: probably second or third out of the tour school in 327 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: the highest you know, as far as the money list, 328 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: and they paired me with a life belt five times, 329 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: I think. So I played ten rounds of golf with 330 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 2: them in eighty six, you know, so I paired with 331 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 2: him a bunch of Colin Montgomery I played with him 332 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 2: in his first round as a pro at the Hoggs 333 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: Castle in Scotland at the Scottish Open. We had a 334 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 2: bunch of guys and the guys that people didn't know 335 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 2: that could really play. I mean all those Spaniards could 336 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: really I mean kind of Czaris and you know Tennaro, 337 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: he's trying to think of the Rivero could really play. 338 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: In the Irish guys with Damon Darcy and Das Smith 339 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: almost won the British Open at forty nine years old. 340 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: People don't know that Mark McNulty and these guys could 341 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: really play, and nobody really knew them. But we really 342 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 2: had the stars. And then they were only giving three 343 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: spots on the European Tour to the Masters, and that 344 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 2: was a big flying because then they opened it up 345 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 2: at the expense of the amateurs. The Masters really opened 346 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: it up in about nineteen eighty eight, I think, and 347 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: right away, I mean, look at all the Europeans that 348 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: have won the Masters. It's just amazing. 349 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: It was a era where all the star par because 350 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: the OWGR came out right around then and there wasn't 351 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: an American that got to number one until Couples did 352 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: in ninety three. You know, all the star power was 353 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: international at that point. 354 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: Oh, Greg Norman was playing over there too. Yeah, I 355 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: mean Greg would split it. Greg split his time between 356 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 2: the two tours, but he was a European Tour member 357 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: price and you know, so yeah, so so Greg was. 358 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 2: You know, when I was eighty seventh on the money list, 359 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 2: I was behind all those guys. So I didn't feel 360 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 2: like I did too bad, but I you know what 361 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 2: I just I think looking back, as a player, I 362 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 2: did pretty well as an amateur. Other than the amateur too, 363 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: I was third ranked. I mean golf, I just ranked 364 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: ten players. So I was number three and in eighty 365 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: one and number three in eighty two. And then I 366 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: didn't end on a high note. You know, I didn't 367 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 2: play great. I didn't really play any tournaments before I 368 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 2: turned pro. Tried to play the ammeter one last time 369 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 2: but in eighty four, but didn't really end on a 370 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 2: high note. And then I think, looking back, I don't 371 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 2: have any misgivings about retiring too soon or quitting at 372 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: twenty six or seven years old, whatever I was. I 373 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: think it was twenty just turned twenty seven, but twenty six. 374 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 2: I think it just turned twenty six. And you know, 375 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: the thing about it is is I recognized it was 376 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 2: just going to be a hard career. It was going 377 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: to be I could have maybe stayed out there and 378 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: got in my tour card and played well. But you know, 379 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 2: I think when you look at these guys, they're just 380 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: some guys are better athletes than others. And I had 381 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: I was lucky enough to have dinner with Tom Weiskoff 382 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: in December and I told him this. I said, you know, 383 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: you're a point zero zero one percent athlete, right and 384 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 2: I'm probably a top three or four percent athlete. You know, 385 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 2: I'm a good athlete, but you know, to be a 386 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: top you know, you're not having fun unless you're in 387 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: the top thirty or fifty. And back then you had 388 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 2: to be in the top thirty or fifty be making 389 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: any kind of a living. And I just think that 390 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: there's so many good athletes then and now, and these 391 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: guys that you know, we're absolutely I mean, you know, 392 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: the athleticism is underrated. I think I think these guys 393 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: are just such good athletes because you see so many 394 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: different types of swings. Even my walker Cup players, My 395 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: Walker Cup players, I'm going through. I'm building a picture 396 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: book for the guys right now and a lot of 397 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: Actually I hired Brian Morgan, the Scottish photographer, and he 398 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: took two thousand images. So this biggest a marathon to 399 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 2: put together. But you know, the guys swing so differently. 400 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: Cole Hammer swings so differently than Stephen Fisk and Isaiah 401 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: Selinda and Brandon Woo and they all swing so differently. 402 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: They're all low through the ball, you know, and the 403 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 2: same thing on the you know, look at the leading 404 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 2: guys on the beach. Look at yesterday, I mean Matt 405 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 2: wolf and when they dissected, you know, Ricky Fowler's flat. 406 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: You know, he's got a flat swing that's slightly laid off. 407 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: And you know, then you got Rory that's got a 408 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 2: picture perfect form. And you know it's they're all so 409 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: different of you know, Dustin Johnson so shut and you know, 410 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: how can it be? But it's just like I'll bet 411 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 2: you Dustin Johnson could have played baseball. I bet Rory 412 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 2: could have played baseball. I bet they could have. You know, 413 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: Dustin Johnson could have played basketball, sure, you know, and 414 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 2: Matt Wolfe the guys are total athletes, and. 415 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: That's it's an interesting thing. 416 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you what you thought, you 417 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: know the difference between someone like you and I don't 418 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: think many people would look at Colin Montgomery and scream athlete. 419 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: But there is tremendous athletic ability required to hit a 420 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: golf ball as consistently and to generate the speed. 421 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: I mean, he really had the last extremely upright swing, 422 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 2: you know, but I would bet you there's some athleticism 423 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: in his genes, you know, because that's a different swing too. 424 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: And it's just it's how easy the game is. You know, 425 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: how easy is it for somebody to repeat their swing? 426 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 2: And you know when you're you know when Jack Nicholas 427 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: describes is one iron that he hit on the seventeenth 428 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: hole in the US Open in nineteen seventy two. You know, 429 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 2: he felt like he was a little shut and you know, 430 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 2: at the top of the swing and he made an adjustment. 431 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: You gotta, I mean, are you kidding me? Make an 432 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 2: adjustment on a two hundred and thirty five yard shot. 433 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: You know, when you're leading the US Open and you 434 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: hit the pin with with a one iron, you know, 435 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: that's incredible instinct, incredible athleticism to be able to do that, 436 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: whether you you know, whatever you do, archer. You know, 437 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 2: whatever his adjustment was, whether he arched his back more, 438 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 2: he you know, stayed down the line more, or whatever 439 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 2: his adjustment was, you know, was his secret. But you know, 440 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: and then you look at you know, Hogan did it 441 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: with technique because Tony Kinney used to tell me that 442 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 2: he really wasn't that great a player until he changed 443 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: his He used to swing along and have a he 444 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: used to fight a bad hook, and then he changed 445 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: his grip to where he knew he could never hook 446 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: the ball. So he did it with technique. But under 447 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 2: underneath it all, he was a good you know, he's 448 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: a beautiful athlete, you know. So you know, I think 449 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 2: obviously chipping and putting a nerve has a lot to 450 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: do with it as well, and that has a lot 451 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: to do confidence. But boy, sure looks like a lot 452 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: of golf holes are easier for Dustin Johnson than a 453 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 2: lot of other people, you know, And he can bombit 454 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 2: that way. And this guy, Matt Wolfe is the same. 455 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: He was lucky enough to have him in my practice 456 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 2: squad last year or a year and a half ago 457 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: where he played seminole. We played Seminole twice and then 458 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: played macart Or twice or Medalist mccarts are, and then 459 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 2: bear Slub twice. So I had him for six rounds. 460 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 2: And you know, this guy is totally the real deal. 461 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: He has at three point thirty and as you saw yesterday, 462 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: he's a bomber and he knows his golf swing. He's great, 463 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 2: He's gonna win a lot. 464 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, he had Calin Marcawa in that also, right. 465 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: I haven't watched Colin Marikawa because I knew that he 466 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 2: was going to turn tro before my so I might 467 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 2: have seen him at the US Amateur a few holes 468 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 2: when I I'm trying to think of who he played, 469 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: But I missed Justin Sue and Colin Morrikawa, who declined 470 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 2: the practice of the Glad thing because he was still 471 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: he knew he was going to turn pro off the 472 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: n C two A and Matt Wolf and a couple 473 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: of other guys were still considering playing the Walker Cup 474 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: but took the practice squad matches. 475 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: Was there was there anybody else that you know that 476 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: obviously playing a Walker Cup you're extraordinarily talented and even 477 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: be considered was there any any of the other guy 478 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: that just like wowed you, like in the sense of 479 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: Wolf where you knew he was good, but you didn't 480 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: know he was that good. 481 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: I I gotta say that all of all ten of 482 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: the players that were on the team were there was 483 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: no favorite. It was you know, my whole you know, 484 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: I didn't say, you know, even you know, just theoretically, 485 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: I kind of said, you know, Andy Ogletree and John 486 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 2: Augustine had just got into the finals of the US 487 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,959 Speaker 2: Amateur two weeks earlier, three weeks earlier, So kind of 488 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: figured you got to play those guys four times, and 489 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: they had the hot hand. You know, Cole Hammers number 490 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: one ring player in the world, and Steven Fisk had 491 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: won nine college tournaments I think, including six that year 492 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: and finished second in the NC two as is. So 493 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: I paired those guys together and made sure that they 494 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 2: played in both the singles matches. You know, I think 495 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 2: ox shave Tea probably has the best raw talent of 496 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: any player I've ever seen. I mean, the guy's got 497 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 2: a wingstand that's just amazing, and he being seventeen, and 498 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: Stuart Hagastad being the only mid amateur I kind of 499 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: thought that that was a good fit. And you know, 500 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: I think the other guys, John Pawk and Celinda were 501 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: getting along grave But I think Brandon Wu and Smalley 502 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: and Isaiah and they're all I think they're all destined 503 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: to do very well. And I think, you know, Stuart 504 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: Hagastad by the way, choose an amateur path. I think 505 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: this guy, because he's going to have fifteen or more 506 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: shots of winning a US Amateur. I think he's got 507 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: a very good chance of winning multiple US Amateurs. And 508 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: I'll bet you I'll be surprised if he doesn't win 509 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 2: four or five minameters because he is that good. And 510 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 2: you know, it's uh, it's he's really impressive. He got 511 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 2: to the quarters. I think of the US amitter last year, 512 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: and you know. 513 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 3: But he's really is Pebble too. 514 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: Pebble is the one I was thinking about last year. Yeah, 515 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: Pebble he got to the quarters and that's the one 516 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: that I was thinking of. But he, you know, he 517 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 2: literally is disappointed when he loses. And you know, it's 518 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: been a bad week for him to get to the 519 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 2: semifinals of the midameter. You know, I mean, it's a 520 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: bad week for me his pest. You know, he wants 521 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: to do he wants to restart the week when he 522 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 2: gets to the semifinals, where basically anybody else who's the 523 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 2: midameter would take, you know, being a mid you know, 524 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: getting to the semifinals at the beginning of the week. 525 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 2: So he's he is heads and shoulders to me. Uh, 526 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: you know, there's Scott Harvey and Matt Paris Ali and 527 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: Parsi Ali and the others. To be sure, and I 528 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 2: haven't followed or studied the midams quite as well, but 529 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing Stuart hagisat is not a 530 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: oh boy, we have to take a midamter. H he doesn't, 531 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: you know, There's there's no he is. He's a great 532 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 2: presence and he really was a great chafferone as well 533 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: for for you know, the Wild the Wild Child, which 534 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: there were some on our team and it was a 535 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 2: great chaperone for Aacsha and uh you know, but but 536 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 2: I love I loved each and every one of them. 537 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 2: It was just a blast, and you know it would 538 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: be hard for me to pick one. I was really 539 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,719 Speaker 2: impressed with Andy ogle Tree and of course Jean Augustine. 540 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 2: I mean, these guys are they're all top notch, but uh, 541 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: just looking at the images there, their form and their technique, 542 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: it's just amazing. And uh and I think they're all 543 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: going to go a long ways. I think it's hard 544 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 2: to get on tour that you know, you've got so 545 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: many wrinkles now and you've got a bottleneck with this 546 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: Corona virus, you know, and uh, you know, to get 547 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour because you got you know, the guys. 548 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 2: They've got to be fair to the guys that got 549 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: through the corn Ferry last year, and you know it's 550 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: going to be a bottleneck trying to get on the 551 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: PGA Tour. So it'll be interesting to see what the 552 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: PGA Tour does and how they adjust their you know, 553 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 2: the eligibility factor on how you you know, how many 554 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: guys can be on the tour and the tournaments and 555 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 2: you know what's going to happen with the corn Ferry 556 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: and the upcoming qualifying for the following year. 557 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: So approaching being the Walker Cup captain for a second year, 558 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: so you know, obviously you were last year and then 559 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: you're for twenty twenty one, are you are you approaching 560 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: it any differently than you did the first time. 561 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 3: Is there anything that you learned from. 562 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 2: Well, this last one I've been able to you know, 563 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 2: I was able to look at the goat the guys 564 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: for two summers, and I generally started it at the 565 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: n C two A's. I didn't really interrupt my life 566 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 2: enough to, you know, travel to college tournaments that were 567 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 2: regional in nature, so I did the I started my 568 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 2: touring at the n C two a's and then tried 569 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 2: to go in a time warp to the old tournaments 570 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: that I used to play in, like the Porter Cup 571 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 2: and the transmiss and the Western Amateur and so forth. 572 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 2: So it was kind of like a time more for me. 573 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 2: But you know, this year a lot of the tournament's 574 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 2: been canceled of the Walker Cup is in May, so 575 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 2: I'll only have this summer to really scout the players. 576 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: N C two as has been canceled, and next year's 577 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: n C two A is after is after the the 578 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 2: Walker Cup the two weeks after, so it'll be a 579 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: much more abbreviated scouting deal. But I that was one 580 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 2: of the funnest parts about it for me, with scouting 581 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,479 Speaker 2: the players and getting another families. I think I got 582 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 2: to see like Ricky Castillo play, and yeah, a few 583 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 2: of the other a few of the other players that 584 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 2: would be considered because of their you know, junior careers. 585 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 2: So Ricky Castillo to me is, you know, his last summer, 586 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 2: his successes last summer. I believe we're going to count 587 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 2: and you know, he was freshman of the year. You know, 588 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see if some of the guys 589 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 2: that were on my team the last time choose to, 590 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 2: you know, another year of college golf, because if they 591 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 2: choose to play another year of college golf because of 592 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 2: the bottleneck, you know, it keeps you know, that doesn't 593 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 2: allow him to have cash, they won't have cash, but 594 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 2: they play another year of college golf and then they can. 595 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 2: You know, that would be John Pack who's a senior 596 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 2: in Florida State, and Andy at Georgia Tech and Vocal Tree, 597 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 2: and of course John Augustin at Vanderbilt. So you know, 598 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 2: I was, if anything, I was a little disappointed that 599 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: Akshay but Tia turned pro. I just I think that 600 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 2: he is an incredible, incredible talent. A lot of the 601 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 2: European guys have done that. They turned pro at seventeen. 602 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 2: I don't think it was a financial it might have 603 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 2: been a financial decision, but I don't think it was 604 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: a financial necessity. But I don't know that enough. I 605 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,959 Speaker 2: don't know enough, But you know, I kind of wish 606 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 2: that he had won fifteen to twenty college tournaments, which 607 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 2: was inevitable for this guy, and had gotten the college 608 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 2: life experience and enjoyed, you know, the maturity that that 609 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 2: brings in that part of your life. So I was, 610 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 2: you know, he kind of got thrown it through himself 611 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 2: in the deep end right away. And you know, things 612 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 2: are different when you don't when you're not the center 613 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 2: of attention. Right when he when he showed up a 614 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 2: junior tournament, he was definitely the center of attention. And 615 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 2: I watched him when the Taylor made Rolex Junior at 616 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 2: PGA by about seven or eight shots, and you know, 617 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 2: I've never seen anybody make so many pots. It was amazing. 618 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 2: But he's a great, great kid. 619 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: Great golf becomes so much tougher when it's your job too. 620 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know about that. I think, you know, 621 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 2: I you know, the thing about golf is that when 622 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 2: you show up on the range and you look down 623 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 2: the range and you know you're better than ninety ninety 624 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 2: percent of the people there, and the other guy who's 625 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 2: on the range can only beat you one and three times. 626 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 2: You don't worry about a double bogue. When you make it, 627 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,479 Speaker 2: you know, it's like, you know, you make a double 628 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 2: Bogu's I got no big deal. I'm going to come 629 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 2: back with three birdies. When you are in the Masters 630 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 2: and you make a double bogie, you're like, holy shit, 631 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 2: I hope I don't make another one. It's just a 632 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 2: different metal deal. When you're looking down the range and 633 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 2: you see guys that you're not sure you can be 634 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 2: day in and day out, it's just a different It's 635 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 2: harder to play your own game. I guess that's the 636 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 2: easiest way of saying it. 637 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 3: Back to Ricky Cass, you know I can't. 638 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,280 Speaker 1: A good buddy of mining plays at the Western am 639 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: every year, and I came for him and he a 640 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: few years ago. 641 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 3: I'll never forget. 642 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: It was at Skochie and he's paired with this Ricky Castillo, 643 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: who I think at the time was fifteen, and we 644 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 1: were about twelve holes in. I turned to my buddy, 645 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: I'm just like, holy shit, this kid could play, and 646 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 1: I mean he shot like the most effortless sixty seven 647 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: or sixty six that day, and I just couldn't. I've 648 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: been following him ever since, and it's just it's not 649 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: surprising to see him on such an upward trajectory. 650 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 2: Well Speaker, That's where I saw him at the Western 651 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 2: last year at Butler National, and he played that guy 652 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 2: Eric Bay Eric in the quarters, I think, and he should. 653 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 2: I think he was part in he par No. He 654 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 2: shot sixty three and one on the last. He won 655 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 2: one on. He's guys shot sixty three and sixty five 656 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 2: on on you know what I think. The other player 657 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm watching, of course is Davis Thompson and from Georgia. 658 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 2: I saw him he lost actually and the rain delay 659 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 2: at the Jones Cup, but he played fantastic at the 660 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 2: Western last year. So I've gotten to see these guys. 661 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 2: I've got Tha Gallia who's going to be highly highly ranked. 662 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 2: And Tha Gallia had a great year at Pepperdine and 663 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 2: I saw him play at the Western last year and 664 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 2: also at the US Amateur at Pebble. So I've seen 665 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 2: a lot of these guys. Pearson Coody, I've seen a bunch. 666 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 2: William Mout I've seen a little bit. So you know, 667 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 2: I'm not unfamiliar with Craig Cummins. I saw at the 668 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 2: Western and he looks fantastic as well. I miss seeing 669 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 2: him win the Pacific Coast. But in any rate, so 670 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 2: most of the guys that are highly ranked, Trent Phillips 671 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 2: is down there to have seen him, I haven't seen 672 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 2: a few of the others. Thorpe's and I saw It's 673 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 2: at the Peddle Beach last year at the at the Open, 674 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 2: So you know, I've gotten I've gotten familiar with a 675 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,760 Speaker 2: bunch of these guys that are currently being considered. Cannon 676 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 2: Klake have I watched. I think he finished second to 677 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 2: Akshay and at that Rolex Junior. But at any rate, 678 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 2: I'll I'll hopefully get to see, you know, four or 679 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 2: five tournaments this summer. I'm hoping to go to the Transmits, 680 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 2: hoping to go to definitely be going to the US 681 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 2: Hammer at Bandon Dunes and hopefully the Porter Cuff if 682 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 2: they don't cancel these events. So I know they've canceled 683 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 2: the Pacific Coast already, so it'll it'll be interesting to 684 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 2: see if these guys scrub out. Sonny Hand. I will 685 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 2: go to as well. I believe they've postponed it but 686 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 2: haven't canceled it. So North North Yeah, Northeastern unfortunately got canceled. 687 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 2: I was looking forward to going up there. 688 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully they'll they'll get some of them in so 689 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: you get you know, because obviously college golf is in 690 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,439 Speaker 1: question next year. 691 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 3: So last question. 692 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,800 Speaker 1: You've been more than generous with your time, and I 693 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: don't want to take too much up. I got to 694 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: ask about, you know how, what was like grown up 695 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: in the same neck of the woods as Bobby Clampett 696 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: as a junior and amateur golfer. 697 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 2: He was about a year or two older than me, 698 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 2: But we got paired in the US Junior Qualifying and 699 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 2: at Stanford and Sharon Heights and you know so, and 700 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 2: we got paired together Pacific Coast Junior So we got 701 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,399 Speaker 2: a paired more than a few times. And I think 702 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 2: he was seventeen and I was fifteen that one summer, 703 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 2: and I want a bunch of junior tournaments for my age, 704 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 2: but was always losing to Bobby for the overall, you 705 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 2: know so, but he was great, and then we played 706 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 2: at college golf. He was a brigging young for a 707 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 2: little bit and uh, you know, he went to Robert 708 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 2: Lewis Stevenson High School before he went to Brigham Young. 709 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 2: But he was definitely the player I was playing in 710 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 2: that British Open at True Truon that he could have won. 711 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 2: But you know, he he uh, he really had it 712 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 2: going on, and he had that golf machine thing down 713 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 2: perfectly and was working with Ben Doyle for a long 714 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 2: time and something happened, there is my understanding, something happened 715 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,879 Speaker 2: with him and Ben Doyle and and uh he kind 716 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,720 Speaker 2: of lost his teacher and then he tried to change 717 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 2: his swing. But boy, I gotta say, everybody thought he 718 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 2: was the next you know, Jack Nicholas, Tom Watson, whomever, 719 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 2: you know, he was going to be the next great player. 720 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: How how would you say, like from an you know, 721 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: from an amateur resume, how he compared. 722 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 3: With some of the other grace that you've seen. 723 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's it's interesting he won the Spaulding 724 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 2: Tournament as an amateur, which was not an officially recognized 725 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 2: tour event. But that was pretty impressive for a twenty 726 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 2: one year old amateur to do that. But then you 727 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 2: look at Scott Burplank, you know, Scott Burplank won the 728 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 2: Western Amateur. Okay, won the Western Open. I mean he 729 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 2: won the Western Open as an amateur. And you know 730 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 2: I think Michelson did it at Tucson, right, Yeah, but 731 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 2: I don't know that it. Shoot, Scott Verplank won everything twice. Yeah, 732 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 2: he won the you know, I mean, if you look 733 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,919 Speaker 2: at Scott for Plank's record, I don't have I don't 734 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 2: have it in front of me. But he won the 735 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 2: quarter Cup, he won the Western, he won the Western 736 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 2: I mean, won the Western Amateur and Opening. He won, 737 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 2: He won them all, and you know that's I kind 738 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 2: of overlapped. He was a little bit younger than me. 739 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 2: But you know, I got a lot of time with 740 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 2: Hal Sutton, got a lot of time with Marcomearra. You know, 741 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,280 Speaker 2: Corey Pavin was my age, so we had a pretty 742 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 2: good crop. I mean, I was Scott Hope. You know, 743 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 2: Hal and Scott Hope were a little bit ahead of me. 744 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 2: But I got invited to all these tournaments when I 745 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 2: was seventeen and eighteen, so I got you know, John Cook, 746 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 2: and I got the class ahead of me because I 747 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 2: was getting invited to these tournaments that were really young. Yeah, 748 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 2: I played well in the junior I was medalist in 749 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 2: the junior so I got kind of justified the invice 750 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 2: to these tournaments. So I was getting a lot of 751 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 2: exposure from my dad's things, so I didn't I was 752 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 2: kind of cluttering up the field, finishing in the middle 753 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 2: of the pack. And then and then I started to 754 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 2: I played well in college my freshman year and one, 755 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 2: and you know, but and then you know, quarterfinals this 756 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 2: transmiss and North and South same thing, and semi finals 757 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 2: and the Broadmoor, so I was kind of hanging around. Yeah, 758 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 2: but I was, you know, I hadn't won anything big 759 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 2: before the US Amateur but but anyway, it was it 760 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 2: was great too, you know, to get around all of 761 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 2: those guys, and and we had a great crop of 762 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 2: players for sure. 763 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was. I mean, it's it's interesting. 764 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: It's just always so fascinating to watch, you know, amateur 765 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: and which which ones turned into you know, great professionals, 766 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: and it's just such a fine line. 767 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 3: It's so tricky. 768 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: You know, the difference between a few major wins and 769 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: a few tour winds is so great, but not really 770 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: that big when you when you look at it, and 771 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,720 Speaker 1: when when you think about it. 772 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 2: You know, it's just when you look at you know, 773 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 2: Greg Norman having two majors is just you know, I mean, 774 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 2: there's some guys that just look so much better than others, 775 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 2: and you know, you kind of see it on the 776 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 2: back of the range when you're watching people at balls. 777 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 2: But and that's the that's the thing that actually is 778 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 2: going to have to go through, is like everybody hits 779 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 2: it as good or better than he does. That's never 780 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 2: happened to him before. You've never been in that kind 781 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 2: of an environment, you know what I mean. But boy 782 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,840 Speaker 2: to that kid certainly has a wingspan. It's a fine line, 783 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,879 Speaker 2: for sure. But the guys that are a little bit 784 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 2: better than everybody else, you know, they understand it and 785 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 2: they know it, and that's why they go in week 786 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 2: in and week out and perform. And it's easier for 787 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,720 Speaker 2: the guys that know it to play their own games. 788 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 2: And the guys that are you know, you know, I 789 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 2: mean Tom Lehman didn't really start breaking through until he 790 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 2: was thirty thirty one, right, yeah, yeah, And Hogan was 791 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 2: on this. Pogan could have given up. I mean, if 792 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,440 Speaker 2: he doesn't, you know, make the paycheck in Oakland, he 793 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 2: quit and you know, his whole career wouldn't have unfolded 794 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 2: if he doesn't make that paycheck in Oakland, right, So 795 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,439 Speaker 2: it's it's amazing. But Hogan didn't win a major until 796 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 2: he was thirty five. So it's amazing how the success 797 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 2: happens and when it happens and for what reason. But 798 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 2: stable lifestyle is a big part of it, as well 799 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 2: as the athleticism and the nerves being the third. 800 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, it's it requires all facets to be 801 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,759 Speaker 1: truly great. But I really appreciate the time, Nathaniel, and 802 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,320 Speaker 1: look forward to hopefully seeing you out at an amateur 803 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,359 Speaker 1: tournament this summer. Hopefully that some of these happened and 804 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 1: it'll be fun to watch, you know, maybe have you 805 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,760 Speaker 1: back on to talk before the next year's Walker Cup. 806 00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 2: Fantastic, all right, look forward to it. M