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Speaker 1: your first memory of Mark Weevy Jan mostly playing football

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Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, John was John Again. It was one

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00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: of those things that wasn't a decision, was just it was.

427
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: It was it was goes back to that putting Green

428
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: putting for the Masters ten years old. If if we

429
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: ever get there, let's make a little broad deal. It's

430
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: a broad deal for sure, but there's no doubt. Uh So,

431
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: as she tell me your perspective on that scenario, did

432
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: you see Mark is playing good there? Did you see

433
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: that he qualified? Did you see like, what's your recollection

434
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: of eighty six? Yeah? I know what happened was you

435
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: won in eighty five. That's how you got in the Masters, right,

436
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: Neither Hank or I on the bag. That a little

437
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: you had that year was on the bag, and but

438
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: you had already kind of part of ways with him,

439
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: So it was back when he actually I was like, yes,

440
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: I am going to a gun before Hank even got

441
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: on the bag, you know. Okay, okay, okay, So you

442
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: know the build up, you know, was was kind of

443
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: like I started way before Hank even was on the bag.

444
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: So I I just so you know, I did do

445
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 1: I did call Hank Ashworth to get his thoughts on

446
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: this situation. Prior to this interview, and I will I

447
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: will let you both know that on the record, Hank

448
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: was like, listen, I was told you know what. I

449
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: was cool with it. I understood it. It was a

450
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: deal done before my time. It's not to say I

451
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: didn't want a Caddy at the Masters, of course I did.

452
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: But I also, oh new this was something. This was like,

453
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, this was like a cut into the palm

454
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: of a hand at ten years old. And you can't

455
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: break that. You can't break that, bro deal. Yeah. The

456
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: cool thing was Hank was there and we hung out

457
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: and you know, unfortunately, you know the first time you

458
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: play a gust, I mean, everybody will tell you it's

459
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: just crazy. And I remember driving down a Magnolia Lane

460
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: like it was yesterday. Remember how we had goose bumps

461
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: and we were like having Magnolia going, oh my god.

462
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: I think we were both crying. Actually, I got a

463
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: couple emotions from that, and one of them is can't

464
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: believe I'm we're actually going We're on Magnolia Lane driving

465
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: to this unbelievably majestic clubhouse. That was one of them.

466
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: The other one is I couldn't believe you go down

467
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: to the Pigley Wiggly and turn right to Magnolia Lane

468
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: while should be out in the country somewhere on an

469
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: old dirt road. And I just remember going, Wow, you're

470
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: across the street from a dry cleaner and a bar.

471
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: I think call the Master's Bar or something and Pigley

472
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: Wiggly and then and then all of a sudden, we're

473
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: on Magnolia. So it went from this is the wrong term,

474
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: this is God, this is it? There it is you know,

475
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: so it uh and that the whole deal then was

476
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: just kind of we were playing out a childhood dreaming almost. Um.

477
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine going from that putting Green

478
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: at at nine or ten years old and now down

479
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: Magnolia Lane. You guys were in the car together, the

480
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: two of you in the car together, and and uh

481
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: and and tell me about like at that, you know,

482
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: with these famous Master's letters that come as an invitation,

483
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: had you received one of those at some point, Mark,

484
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: do you remember that time where they're still sending invitations

485
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: saying you're invited to the to the tournament all that

486
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: we're getting an invitation And that's that's kind of I mean,

487
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: obviously that's way cool, don't get me wrong, but the

488
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: drive into the clubhouse is when you really start hyperventilating,

489
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: and you know, you lose your breath. On the whole

490
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: situation of of being at the tournament you've grown up

491
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: watching on television with your childhood body come on. So so,

492
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: so you get there early in the week, a lot

493
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: of practice rounds. Do you remember who the practice rounds

494
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: are with? Do you remember sort of the your first

495
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: impressions of the golf course. You know, again, my first

496
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: impression was, I can't believe it's so much there's so

497
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: much undulation. Did you have something similar to that or

498
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't get over the front nine because

499
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: you don't. In our our childhoods, we never saw the

500
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: front nine. It was always and along, and so when

501
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: you see the front nine, you see holes like well

502
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: all of them, like five and six. You you never

503
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: saw those. So when you see six, it's a par

504
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: three that's I don't know what it is, but it's

505
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: straight downhill. So you're I mean, I had no I

506
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: didn't even know that whole existence. And I think I

507
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: think you're you're kind of cruising around a little bit

508
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: on a cloud, you know, your first time there, because

509
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: there's gallery. Uh, but you're you're you're inside the roads,

510
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: so you're seeing stuff that you're just we're both taking

511
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: it in. I mean, it's like we're both a bunch

512
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: of a couple of country bumpkins, you know, not having

513
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: any clue, and we're with people that have played you know,

514
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: rounds there or prior masters there, and you know, we're

515
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: the we're the kids on the new kids on the block.

516
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: So it's probably our our recollection. My recollection of it

517
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: was just that. And it was that the year that

518
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: we played with Marco Mira in the practice round was that?

519
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: Do you remember, ash? I think so. I think we

520
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: played with Omara and I think we played with pain

521
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: to on time, you know, um, I think that the

522
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: thing that I recall about playing and it was and

523
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: we played we played two sims or three sims because

524
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: we played with d A. Why bring both days? Yeah,

525
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: there is a reshuffle boots, same thing, which was kind

526
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: of weird. It's kind of a bummer, I like, because

527
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: it would have been more fun to play with somebody else.

528
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a good dude, but it was, Yeah,

529
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: it was kind of weird. Yeah, because yeah, well you

530
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: want as much variety as you can your first time,

531
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: you want to play with everybody, Yeah, hoping that we're

532
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: gonna play with somebody that's like, you know yeah Jack

533
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: Jack or year. Right. This this was even before I

534
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: mean Payne didn't really go on his run, or I

535
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: guess Greg Norman didn't really even go on a run.

536
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: Like at this time. This is Tom Kite, Tom Watson,

537
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: this is this is Sevy, this is in mid eighties,

538
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: this you know who who in your mind? I felt like,

539
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: oh this, you know, this is the this is who

540
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: we gotta beat, so to speak. Was there was there

541
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: a big a big name or or or do you

542
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: remember you know, here's what I remember. I never remember

543
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: anybody that I had to beat. I was too busy

544
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: being scared to death. It is. I mean, I've played

545
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: in all the majors, and I mean I think the

546
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: Three Masters, and I don't know how many British Opens

547
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: and Senior British Opens. Never did I get that caught

548
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: up in like the fog being so thick of spirits

549
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: as that Augusta and every one of the ones. All

550
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: my three times there, it was the same. It was

551
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: the thickest spiritual and I never was comfortable. I never

552
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: even thought I could beat it. I never thought about

553
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: beating anybody. I was too busy trying to figure out

554
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: how he's going to hit it off the t on

555
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: number one, not kill somebody, or you know, you're just

556
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: you're and you're so defensive because you don't want to

557
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: mess up and you want to play good so bad.

558
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: And I was way too young to know how to

559
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: how to handle that stuff. And and here's the other guy,

560
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: and with John, neither one of us knew how to

561
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: handle that that kind of the motion. I mean, we

562
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: were just trying to, like I said, trying not to

563
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: mess up, just trying to compete, but never never talked

564
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: about winning it ever. What about what about go back

565
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: just for one second before we into the first round

566
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: and second round scores and the cut so to speak?

567
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: What about the part through do you what? Do you

568
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: have any members of the Part three tournament at that time?

569
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: What was that? What was that? Like? No, it was

570
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: it was really cool. I love the Part three tournament. Yeah,

571
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean I remember how you did or anything. I remember,

572
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, you go to the first call and it

573
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: was I think ten people deep easy, the whole hole

574
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: and the whole is eighty four yards or something whatever

575
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: it was at the time, and the whole to get

576
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: to the first team and then what you did it

577
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: was like being in a movie set. You weren't even

578
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: it was crazy. It was way crazy. So uh was

579
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: just I think both both he and I as golfers,

580
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: were going, are you kidding me? This is the best

581
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: course I've ever seen my life. Number two is fifty

582
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: five yards or something, way before they fixed it and

583
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: made it you know what it is today. But still

584
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: it was the most perfectly manicured, unbelievable golf course with

585
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: people making hole in ones every two seconds, and like

586
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: I said, being in a movie set of each each

587
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: hole was its own movie set because there's so many people.

588
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: Don't is that you remember that just being are you kidding?

589
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: I do. And one of the memories I have when

590
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: I think about it too, was that was before they

591
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: fixed the range and how it is now. It was like, oh,

592
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: it used to park right next to the range. I

593
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: mean it was remember, and but I remember like talking

594
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: about a player that was dominant at the time was

595
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: Sevy and I remember watching that guy in the range

596
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: just I was mesmerized by, like how perfect. He was

597
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: in his swing and oh my god, it was just

598
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: it was the thing of beauty to watch Sevy Augusta

599
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: hitting on the range. It was unbelievable. Yeah, Hank, Hank said,

600
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: he's got a great picture of playing. He was with

601
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: you guys at the part thare He kept he said,

602
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: he he kept trying to figure out ways to sneak in.

603
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean at that time it was a little looser,

604
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, he would try to figure out ways to

605
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: get in and and and actually has a picture I

606
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: guess of all of you guys with pain in the

607
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: Part three tournament with white outfit the black boat tipe.

608
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Hank is also sort of in

609
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: the mix of all this as this as you guys are,

610
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: you guys are kind of a triangle at this point,

611
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: right Mark, is is it even more special for you

612
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: looking back like sharing this, like you know, I always say,

613
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, people say, oh, you have the greatest job

614
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 1: and where you go, but it's it's only special because

615
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: you share it with people who you can you know,

616
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: you have a connection with. That's that's what makes it

617
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: so special. It's not about where you are, It's about

618
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: who you're with. It's to some degree, do you remember

619
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: that and sort of feeling like, wow, this all culminated

620
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: in this moment in which you and your childhood buddies

621
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: and these caddies are enjoined this together. Well, without a doubt,

622
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: everything's more fun sharing it with someone. Yes, So this

623
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: is no exception. I mean this was it was a

624
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: great Uh, it's a great feeling. But if you can

625
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: you know how it is when you're with when you're

626
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: with a buddy or or loved one or anything, it

627
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: just makes it it's more fun. You talk about it

628
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: like we are now. I mean, I'm sixty two, John,

629
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: you just turned sixty. No, welcome, by the way, welcome.

630
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: So here we are. We're sixty two and sixty years old.

631
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: That started when we were like eight and nine really,

632
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: and we're kind about it. So if we wouldn't have

633
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: done it together, we wouldn't have those those memories to ship.

634
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: So first round seventy six, you know at that point,

635
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: was there a moment in the first round we did

636
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: you start out Bertie Birdie or were you too? Do

637
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: you do you remember anything of the details or holes

638
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: or amen corner or anything relating to sort of specifics

639
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: I remember it was like the hardest golf course. What

640
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: watching it on TV and seeing guys hitting to thirteen

641
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: and fifteen and two, and I'm standing out on fifteen

642
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: in one of the rounds with the one iron going

643
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: from green what what? And I just remember that. I

644
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: just remember it being so difficult that I think we

645
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: were both I didn't know it was going to be

646
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: that hard, and it was yeah, oh my God, talked

647
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: about you just couldn't breathe. Yeah, And it was persimmon woods.

648
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't woods, and and what. I I just remember

649
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: the green just the greens were just so freaking crazy,

650
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: like I didn't even know how you could to put them,

651
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, they were just nuts. They are nuts. Yeah,

652
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: let's I'm a I'm a really good putter. It was.

653
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: There's really good putters kind of scared to death of

654
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: these are these are out of control. I don't know,

655
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do this. We have never

656
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: done anything like this. The undu and the speeding were

657
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: you left you kind of defenseless if you haven't been

658
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: there and done it. There's the way. I mean, looking back,

659
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,479
Speaker 1: there was no chance it was I wish I would

660
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: have probably looked around more, taken it in more. But

661
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: I was so busy just trying to compete and be decent.

662
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 1: But you know I did my next couple of times,

663
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: I took it more, took more in of the whole,

664
00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: the whole deal of Augustus so UMU seventies six s

665
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: and d eight. You know, at some point do you

666
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: stop sort of feeling the pressure, and at some point

667
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: did you allow yourself to really enjoy? Did you guys

668
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: remember sort of having the back nine on Friday, just

669
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: being like, hey, let's have some fun here. I mean,

670
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: did you ever stop grinding? I think that second round.

671
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: I think I'm not sure, but I think we were

672
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: eight over after twelve or something, and I do remember

673
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: having that look at let's just have fun coming in. Man,

674
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: we're just got the ship kicked out of us, so

675
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: let's have some fun coming in. I think we both

676
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: said that, and I think I played the last five

677
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: or six sols at par or maybe maybe one under.

678
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I think we two point at fifteen,

679
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: but we were talking about Crystal when we're on the

680
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: fringe there being that one iron to the green. But

681
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: I think to do that and that helped break eighty

682
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: because we were I mean I couldn't do anything. I

683
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: mean the course again, it just ate me up. It

684
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: was too hard. I had to had every shot perfect

685
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: or I thought I did. Just the one thing, the

686
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: one thing that I recalled was, you know it it

687
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: feels it has a super wide open feeling, right. I

688
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: mean it's not like it's tight, but it is because

689
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: you have to hit the bomb in a certain spot

690
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: to have the right shot. That's what was so weird

691
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: about it, you know. And after we played it for

692
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: the whole week, it's just it's too much to figure out.

693
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: I mean that's why they say, you know you're gonna

694
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: play there a few times, a lot of stuff. But yeah,

695
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: um uh. Hank recalled that. The next week he picked

696
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: up your bag again. You went to um Harbor Town

697
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: and he remembers you pointing out the fact that you know,

698
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: you had like a thirty ft part, you know, putting

699
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: green practice putting green, and you were showing him, hey,

700
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: this is how hard I would have had to have

701
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: hit it at Augusta to hit this, and it was

702
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: like you just barely tapped it and there you had

703
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: to give it a rat like the difference in green

704
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: speeds at Augusta was so different than you know, now

705
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: you've got a pretty uniformed set of green speeds almost

706
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: weekend and week out. You know, here we are, you know,

707
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: two twenty. But and then this was a stark contrast

708
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: to what you saw on a regular basis. Unbelievable transition

709
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: going from Augusta to Hilton ned Bermuda kind of slow

710
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: Bermuda greens, tiny and fairly flat as opposed to Augusta, big,

711
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: undulated and freeway speed. So uh. And I do remember

712
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: I remember being on the putting green with Hank and

713
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: showing him I would have hit it this hard to

714
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: get it there, and all would go like three ft.

715
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: And that's but I'm opinion this it was. I used

716
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: still talking about it. It was so nice to not

717
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: have to, you know, put it ten ft to the

718
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: right on a ten foot and hope that if it

719
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: didn't hit the whole it stopped near it, and playing

720
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 1: a ten ft a break on a ten foot pot,

721
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: which I hadn't ever done before, to go to kind

722
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: of slow, flat greens. And then you see Langer, I

723
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: think it wasn't didn't he win Augusta? And then see

724
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: Pines the following week on back in the regular tour.

725
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: Probably I think he did. And that's what I remember, thinking,

726
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: how do you do this ever roller coaster ride? And

727
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: then you go in at Sea Points? Okay, so let's

728
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: go back to Masters Friday. You finish your round and

729
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: you know there's the weekend at the Masters. You know

730
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: this is the nethedral. Do you pack up and you

731
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: guys take off or what happens? What you know here

732
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: quietly this is the greatest, arguably one of the greatest

733
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: Masters of all time? What what? What was the weekend? Like?

734
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what we what we did on

735
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: the weekend. I know, when you don't make the cut,

736
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: you don't show up on you know, to practice or anything.

737
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: Maybe you do if you're Tiger or pill or something.

738
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: At the time, you were welcome. Actually it was kind

739
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: of like you were really welcome to come up. You

740
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: didn't make the cut, you're not welcome anymore. I think

741
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: we probably went over and bought some uh souvenirs from

742
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: the pro shop or something, And I remember watching it

743
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: on TV. But I gotta say, I don't remember John,

744
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: do you remember? I know I was with Hank. We

745
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: were staying a little holiday in or something, and uh

746
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: we I think we went out to the tournament, but

747
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: we we watched the final nine on Sunday in our

748
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: hotel room, just you know, mesmerized, you know, watching Jack

749
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: do his thing. Unbelievable. Yeah. Uh, Hank said that on Saturday.

750
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: He thought that you guys, you and John, He said

751
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: that you you and he and John had gone out

752
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: and watched a little On Sunday. They went out to

753
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: watch and no one even ned because Jack shot sixty five.

754
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: Only a handful of guys went in the sixties. Even then,

755
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: no one really had a sense Jack was gonna win,

756
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: obviously until that chart. But but he said that it

757
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: was so thick he couldn't really actually see anything. It

758
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: was so packed that the only way to really watch

759
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: it was to go back to the hotel and watch

760
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: on like a little mini TV. I mean, you're in

761
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: augusta at watching the hotel room. Yeah, it doesn't make sense,

762
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: but it is when it's when it's that packed. Yeah,

763
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean you could get around. Yeah, I mean kind

764
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: of just the most amazing thing, right, I mean six

765
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, arguably the greatest masters of all time, and

766
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: you guys and and and these childhood dreams come true.

767
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean seminal moment. I mean, you know, chills again.

768
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: It's just it's so so cool that you guys share this.

769
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: Uh well, obviously it's a lifetime memory because here we

770
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: are talking about it. So and it's a good one too.

771
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: It's just a good what a good time. And again

772
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: to share it and and be talking about it and

773
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: be you know, do an ordeal talking about it's pretty special. Ashley.

774
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: How much do you think you made carry carrying Mark

775
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: Weeby's bag and all those and all those those those times.

776
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: What was your what was your total? Maddie? It was priceless.

777
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: You can put a figure of dollar figure. It was definitely. Hey, Mark,

778
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: do you mind turning around and grabbing that photo behind

779
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: you and just put holding it up to the holding

780
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: it up to the camera. This these are this is

781
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: the guys. Huh okay, So check this out. This is

782
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: won the Colorado Open in x Actually, um, I just

783
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: had won the Quad Cities in Moline, Illinois, and to

784
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: everybody couldn't believe I wasn't playing the next week, I

785
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: said I gotta play in the Colorado Open. I already

786
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: said it's going to only saw nine holes of course

787
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: that I had never played before. John said, I've played it.

788
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: Don't worry, I'll coach you around. And so there's the

789
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: picture during the Colorado Open. You can see that if

790
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: you can read. Let me get close enough. Do you

791
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: read what that caption says? Colorado Open champions Mark Weeby

792
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: and John Ashworth and quietly John, no collar, you know,

793
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: no collar as a caddy, no bib, no collar that

794
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: was back that literally is in the stone age right

795
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: there and your Colorado Golf Colorado State or Colorado Golf

796
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Correct? Is that what I read? At

797
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: some point? H and and one? Last two last things? Uh?

798
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: I know John has a relationship with the number thirty three,

799
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: and so do you what's what's the fact that you

800
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: shared this childhood? Remember? Is this what it's about? This

801
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: thirty three is about you? Guys? Yeah, it is. It's

802
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, I don't know how many

803
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: times I'm asked this, and I wish I had this

804
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: killer story about it, but it just has something to

805
00:48:54,480 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: do with karma. And it's just every time we we

806
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: were together and are together, something happens that there it

807
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: is again, it's it's a three, or it's a thirty three,

808
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: and it it could be a it could be a

809
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: parking spot, it could be the number we have at

810
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: a table. Who knows. But it became so often that

811
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: we we we went way past wow, that's a coincidence,

812
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: and way past the are you kidding me again? Too?

813
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: Now it's like, well, yeah, it's of course three. So

814
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: when I was doing my links so bag on uh

815
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: on the Champions Tour, I said, but we gotta put

816
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: thirty three on there, don't we? And John said, well,

817
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: we got to put it on there three times. So

818
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: we figured we had to go through and figure out

819
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: where we're gonna put it, and and I got my

820
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 1: I had to see, wow, that's a whole lo their story.

821
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: But I go to yeah, I'm a I took it,

822
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: probably a little bit farther than the rest of us.

823
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: But uh, no regrets there either. It's part of it's

824
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: kind of part of our our deal. I don't if

825
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: we could go back and look, I would bet money

826
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: that it was circling around us when we were nine

827
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: and ten. We just we weren't aware of it. Yeah,

828
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: we started, we started honing in on it when we

829
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: were in high school though, and when it goes pretty far,

830
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, so yeah, it's like crazy. It's

831
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: been a thing. And and and give me a couple

832
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: examples for you, John, I know you've had like a

833
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: million situations where thirty three and three have come have

834
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: come up. Uh, I don't know. Uh, it's just they've

835
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: always it's always been a thing. It's just always been

836
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: a thing, and it's always come up. And it's and

837
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: I think, like Mark said, it's like a karma thing.

838
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: It's and if you look it up, if you look

839
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: up the number thirty three to Google it, it's it's

840
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: it is a universal magical number. I mean, it's it's good.

841
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: It's good stuff. Um, jeff O will be quietly from

842
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: like a hundred and thirty three yards ace the playoff

843
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: hole to end this year's Wishbone Brawl, which was for

844
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: last year's Wishbone brow which is amazing. Uh. Last question, boys, um,

845
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: this is we are at the fire pit. You know,

846
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: we're sitting around the fire pit. This is the fire

847
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: Pit Podcast. Do you have a favorite fire pit? Do

848
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Speaker 1: you have a place into all your travels and all

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Speaker 1: And it started with he and I and all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden it became so big that I ended up

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Speaker 1: making t shirts for the fireside Chat. And that's where

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Speaker 1: we would gather and tell all our bs that happened

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Speaker 1: for the day and our lives and swap stories, drinking

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Speaker 1: some adult beverages and it it grew into be such

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Speaker 1: a big thing that when you said fire pit, immediately

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Speaker 1: I went on fireside Chat. So that's where mind's more

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Speaker 1: recent five its, my mind would be got Hill Park

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Speaker 1: because we've built the firepit, you know, right by the clubhouse,

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Speaker 1: pits always a great place just to gather and start

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Speaker 1: shooting the ship, you know, I mean it's it's perfect

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Speaker 1: and there's usually an adult beverage involved and you know,

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Speaker 1: get down and dirty with it. It's good, good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Also the bandon Dudes one which Maddie you know that one,

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Speaker 1: that famous, famous one that's the inspiration for this whole podcast,

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Speaker 1: this whole this whole platform. I gotta tell you thanks

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Speaker 1: for gathering with us today voice and to shooting the

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Speaker 1: ship on what you know what was What Will Go

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Speaker 1: Down is one of the greatest masters of all time

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Speaker 1: but also one of the greatest dreams come true for

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Speaker 1: a couple of kids. Uh, you know, creating a bro

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Speaker 1: deal that that that that came true. Yeah. Good. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for Habitus, Buddy, Yeah thanks buddy. Fun sharing, make parting

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Speaker 1: out war, stay safe and help you out there, guys.

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Speaker 1: This is uh, the world's a bit upside down right now.

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Speaker 1: We could use a little thirty three to come through

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Speaker 1: for us on a on a car carm of level.

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Speaker 1: We'll be there all I love you, guys, see you, guys,

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Speaker 1: see thank you, thank you, thanks man, Thank you for

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