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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Ketty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jack Katie and He Armstrong and Yetty.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the most severe flu seasons in

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Speaker 3: the United States in the last fifteen years. It's so

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Speaker 3: bad in some states school districts are closing because so

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Speaker 3: many students and staff are getting sick.

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Speaker 1: Worst flu season in over a decade and a half.

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Speaker 1: As you heard Jake Tapper say, there, how do you

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Speaker 1: get the flu? How do I catch that? Somebody sneeze

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Speaker 1: on me or.

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Speaker 4: They live on surfaces for a long time the flu

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Speaker 4: virus as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather not get the flu. Wash your hands

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Speaker 2: a lot. Is that good idea?

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Speaker 4: It can't hurt. Yeah, yeah, I try not to touch

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Speaker 4: your eyes and nose. You remember what that idiotic was it?

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Speaker 4: That the scarf lady j Burks who said, now don't

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Speaker 4: touch your eyes and nose, and if she's given the speech,

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Speaker 4: she's like dabbing in her eyes and the robin and

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Speaker 4: we cried that that was one of the early signs

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Speaker 4: that wait a minute, this is completely ridiculous. And it

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Speaker 4: didn't get any better though. Oh even the lefty media

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Speaker 4: now is admitting keeping the schools closed was a horrifying debacle,

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Speaker 4: and we're struggling mightily to come back from that debacle,

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Speaker 4: and it's not going well. Among many other topics we'll discuss,

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Speaker 4: probably ought to get to the lead story today, Jack,

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Speaker 4: of course, which is that the Westminster Dog Show, which

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Speaker 4: is held every three weeks now apparently, yeah, exactly, has

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Speaker 4: designated a dignified giant Schnauzer Monty is the nation's top

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Speaker 4: ranked dog.

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Speaker 2: What they didn't they had the show again?

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Speaker 4: When yesterday? Every day cliche? Now, I know, I know,

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Speaker 4: Hell how often do they hold that show? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I remember when I'd gotten the idea it was annual.

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Speaker 1: Right, I always thought so, I swear it was like congratulations,

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Speaker 1: giant Snaz how giant like the size of a school bus.

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Speaker 1: It's like fifty feet long, like Clifford, an amazing dog

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Speaker 1: cleaning up after it's no treat.

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Speaker 4: Moving along. So, the question of falling fertility rates and

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Speaker 4: reproductive rates and indeed coupling in general and marriage all

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Speaker 4: over the industrialized West and the East and China and

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Speaker 4: all sorts of places, I mean everything, but like the

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Speaker 4: sub Saharan Africa, and those figures are not as easy

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Speaker 4: to come by anyway. But populations are falling like crazy

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Speaker 4: in the developed world. And this is a note from

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Speaker 4: a frequent correspondent deep thinker, Paolo.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing this came in after did the thing yesterday

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Speaker 1: from the New York Times where they did, like their

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Speaker 1: monthly opinion piece about oh, is it okay to bring

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Speaker 1: a child into this world with climate change and whatnot?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and that is it responsible?

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Speaker 1: And then they just jumped to the conclusion that people

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Speaker 1: aren't having kids because of climate change.

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Speaker 2: All right, if you say so. I don't believe that.

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Speaker 4: But idiotic reasoning, idiotic conclusion just anyway. So this is

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Speaker 4: an expansion of note Polo dropped us earlier with just

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Speaker 4: nailed it beyond uh, you know, any scientist. Between Polo

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Speaker 4: and our thinking, and we've been kind of going back

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Speaker 4: and forth on this. You're talking about the falling birth

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Speaker 4: and coupling rates and how people commonly attribute that to

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Speaker 4: the world being such a horrible place that they don't

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Speaker 4: want to bring a child into it. That just doesn't listen, right,

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Speaker 4: I've never I don't think i've heard that expression. Well,

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Speaker 4: doesn't sound right. It's a very on that. It's kind

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Speaker 4: of clever as you point it out. The world is

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Speaker 4: arguably the best it's ever been. And you know, we

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Speaker 4: could certainly make that case or read Thomas Paker's Enlightenment

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Speaker 4: Now in terms of life expectancy and health and just

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Speaker 4: one hundred measures, particularly the best it's ever been.

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Speaker 1: You pick any point in history, place or point in history,

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Speaker 1: you can't really do better than being in the United

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Speaker 1: States now.

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Speaker 4: Our poor people are astoundingly wealthy by historical standards and

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Speaker 4: global standards. Anyway, our response to perceived tough times, oh,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it's arguably the best it's ever been. Yet,

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Speaker 4: the birth rate here in many other places is suicidally low.

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Speaker 4: Our response to perceived tough times is suicide. I think

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Speaker 4: there's a more likely explanation for the low fertility rate.

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Speaker 4: And then he quotes a paragraph from a scholarly journal

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Speaker 4: slash article. Animals can change their reproductive output depending on

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Speaker 4: certain environmental conditions, and one of those environmental conditions is

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Speaker 4: population density. Notes this lead author, So, if you have

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Speaker 4: lots of neighbors and you're competing for the same food,

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Speaker 4: it can lower reproduction, and that's what we saw. At

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Speaker 4: very high population densities. Female ground squirrels basically shut down

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Speaker 4: their reproduction. Imagine the frustration of the male ground squirrels,

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Speaker 4: and that was done in order to sustain their own survival.

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Speaker 4: When lashes were better, they would start reproducing again, unless

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Speaker 4: the male ground squirrels also have no interest, which might

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Speaker 4: happen due because we're seeing it. Yeah, yeah, I'm not

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Speaker 4: sure why they phrased it that way exactly, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: that is the case among humans. But then we get

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Speaker 4: to and I remember y'all probably do too. When we

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Speaker 4: had had this discussion a couple of weeks ago, I

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Speaker 4: made my usual joke. Anybody who thinks the world is

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Speaker 4: overcrowded should drive across Nevada, or from Kansas City to Sacramento,

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Speaker 4: say a long I eighty. It's a vast thousand mile

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Speaker 4: stretches of virtually nobody but a handful of farmers anyway.

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Speaker 4: But then Paolo jumps to what I think is his

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Speaker 4: most brilliant conclusion, reached again in concert with the Armstrong

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Speaker 4: and Giddy show, the degree to which we're interconnected. Think

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Speaker 4: the Internet likely makes our animal brains think we're even

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Speaker 4: more crowded than we are and triggers behaviors that limit

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Speaker 4: reproduction vess winning interest in reproducing. This is what I'm

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Speaker 4: always hammering going on on about, is our level of

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Speaker 4: input or stimulus is one hundred times what it is

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Speaker 4: designed to be. In the average day, the average human

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Speaker 4: being would have so much less interaction, so much less

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Speaker 4: input of ideas and arguments and anger and passion and

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Speaker 4: poorn and everything else. They're just your brain is made

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Speaker 4: to be bored or daydreaming for long stretches of time.

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Speaker 4: That's what it's made to do. That's how it keeps

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Speaker 4: itself sane.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is it, but that's a

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Speaker 1: unique idea that I hadn't heard before. The one thing

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Speaker 1: I am positive of is it's not a choice. I

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Speaker 1: do not believe people are choosing, you know, with climate

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Speaker 1: change and the rent, we're deciding I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: get married or have kids.

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's not you're not.

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Speaker 1: There's something going on way deeper than that. And maybe

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Speaker 1: it's this Internet. I think you're one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, and I'm sorry I didn't connect the dots

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Speaker 1: completely for anybody who hasn't done it on their own.

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Speaker 1: The condition of being constantly badgered by the Internet of

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Speaker 1: our own free will most of our cases is extremely

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Speaker 1: similar to that of a serious overpopulation, as if we're

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Speaker 1: crammed into a Tokyo subway car in terms of our

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Speaker 1: brain's perceptions. The only thing I don't know, while you

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Speaker 1: got all kinds of examples with beasts, what was the

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Speaker 1: birthrate of London when it was the biggest city in

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Speaker 1: the world and you know, people were living hip to

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Speaker 1: babies like crazy or not.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. That's a really really interesting question to

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Speaker 4: test the premise. I suspect that the birth rates were

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Speaker 4: lower than they were in less crowded places. And if

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Speaker 4: you're used to twelve kids per couple and you go

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Speaker 4: down to eight, that's still a lot of kids. I

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Speaker 4: wonder if they have that's a decline.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they have numbers in Japan for what

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Speaker 1: is like Tokyo as it grew into one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest cities in the world through the seventies and eighties,

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Speaker 1: the breath rates.

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Speaker 4: Led the way in lowly productive rates.

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Speaker 1: Sure, no doubt, But me this makes this makes more

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Speaker 1: sense than practically any other theory I've ever heard.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, one hundred percent, and just I'll let them

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Speaker 4: bring it home, just to credit his fabulous arguments. We

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Speaker 4: don't recognize the real cause for these behaviors, so we

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Speaker 4: try to formulate an explanations, such as the world is

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Speaker 4: so awful that I don't want to bring a child

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Speaker 4: into it, or perhaps it's just too expensive slash hard.

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Speaker 4: The world was a lot harsher place hundred year ago,

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Speaker 4: thousand years ago, ten thousand years ago. Lucky for us,

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Speaker 4: our ancestors viewed things differently than we do, and likewise,

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Speaker 4: he points out that the very sparse population of our

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Speaker 4: distant ancestors was probably strong motivation of mate like bunnies.

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Speaker 4: Not to mention, it's just kind of fun. I think

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Speaker 1: We're gonna figure all this out too late, though, Whether

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Speaker 1: it's the plastics in our brain or oh it's the Internet,

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Speaker 1: it's social media that's keeping us from having babies. There

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Speaker 1: will be no you know, we'll be at the point

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Speaker 1: of no return on population and our brains will be

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Speaker 1: full of plastic we'll have no sperm count whatsoever, couldn't have.

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Speaker 2: A baby if we wanted to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm not a particularly religious fellow, but I

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Speaker 4: always go back to the Book of Genesis and the

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Speaker 4: apple from the Tree of Knowledge. And that always confused

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Speaker 4: me as a kid, because here I was being sent

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Speaker 4: and the rest of it, and I think, Wow, knowledge

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Speaker 4: more I think I understand that it's simply a message

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Speaker 4: that man's abilities and lusts will be man's undoing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, you can't blame Elon Musk for not having kids.

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Speaker 1: As he was in the Oval office yesterday with his

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Speaker 1: cute little kid on his shoulders as he talked about

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Speaker 1: trying to gut the federal government because he's part of

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Speaker 4: Oh, he's unelected.

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Speaker 1: We got from that press conference and a bunch of

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Speaker 1: others the Westminster Dog Show, Giant Snauger wins.

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Speaker 4: It's no, I'm good. We're looking dog though. Boy, this

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Speaker 4: word to god, we had a different winter two weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to hear the announcement.

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Speaker 2: I suppose for a best in show at the ninth

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Speaker 2: and I hope it's the Giants.

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Speaker 4: Sinster Kennel Club dogs.

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Speaker 2: I choose the Giant Schnauzy to three years of fires show.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, the Giant Schnauzer bounded to accept the awarden, crushed

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Speaker 4: five people and under its mighty pause.

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Speaker 1: Well you didn't see as a cameras panned away, but

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Speaker 1: there was a middle aged woman in sensible shoes who

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Speaker 1: kicked her beagle.

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Speaker 4: You ugly beagel, You suck jack. Many in the crowd

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Speaker 4: were disappointed that were they. Crowd favorite German Shepherd Mercedes

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Speaker 4: did not win the crown, snubbed again this year. It's

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Speaker 4: been a tough couple of years for Mercedes the German Shepherd.

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Speaker 1: This year, and by this year, we mean this week,

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Speaker 1: because we have this show every week.

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Speaker 2: I think something's gone wrong there. I gotta watch beston

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Speaker 2: Show now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think the German Shepherd also carried with it

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Speaker 4: some of the guilt over World War two.

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Speaker 1: German Shepherd lifted I ever forget looked reminiscent of Elon

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Speaker 4: That's what I oh wan The Norman Shepherd w bad dog,

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Speaker 4: Which side? Musk?

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Speaker 1: The great civil rights issue of our day is making

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Speaker 7: And we're going to be signing a very important deal today.

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Speaker 7: Nobody had any idea it was that bad, that's sick,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an interesting move. I'm so pro kid and

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's roll on with Elon Musk press conference.

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Speaker 2: I can understand a monster. It's a constitutional crisis. I agree.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't know two weeks ago when

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Speaker 4: in secrecy, asserted that he had uncovered waste and fraud

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Speaker 4: across the bureaucracy without offering evidence.

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Speaker 1: Are you trying to insinuate you don't think there is fraud?

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Speaker 4: In the related story, Elon Musk suggested without evidence that

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Speaker 4: rich white guys play golf disproportionately, and suggested, without citing

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Speaker 4: proof that they have cocktails after what the.

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Speaker 2: Hell more elon.

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Speaker 6: And they're also going to address the deficit. So we've

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Speaker 6: got a two twelvey dollars deficit and if this, if

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Speaker 6: we don't do something about this deficit, country's going bankrupt.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's really astounding that the the interest payments

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Speaker 6: alone on national debt exceed the defense department budget, which

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Speaker 6: is shocking because we've got our larst We spent a

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Speaker 6: lot of money on defense, but and if that just

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Speaker 6: keeps going, we're essentially going to bank up the country.

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Speaker 6: So what I earlier to say is like, it's not optional

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Speaker 6: for us to reduce the federal expenses.

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Speaker 4: It's essential.

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Speaker 6: It's essential for America to remain solvent as a country,

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Speaker 6: and it's essential for America to have the resources necessarily

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Speaker 6: to provide things to its citizens and not simply be

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Speaker 6: servicing vast amounts of debt.

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Speaker 4: That is the most important thing that's been said politically

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Speaker 4: in the United States in the last fifty years. And

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Speaker 4: whether it falls on deaf ears or is heated is

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Speaker 4: the pivot point for the next.

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Speaker 1: Fifty years for US history and maybe world history, if

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Speaker 1: we can't continue to be the hyper power that we

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Speaker 1: have been. Some of my favorite pundits are like really

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Speaker 1: critical of this elon being involved thing. But if you

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Speaker 1: had your typical gray man blue ribbon committee appointed.

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Speaker 4: Nobody'd be paying any freaking attention.

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Speaker 1: It's been done over and over again, and they came

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Speaker 1: up with great recommendations that Washington felt more than free

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Speaker 1: to completely ignore and shove under the dish cabinet over there,

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Speaker 1: never to be thought of again. Right, that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: The politics part of it is where it really makes

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Speaker 1: sense to have somebody of Musk's profile so he can

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Speaker 1: get people's attention.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I am.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I can't even imagine his life. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how many hours has he put into this project? It

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Speaker 1: sure looks like it would take a tremendous amount of

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Speaker 1: effort to be doing what he's doing now while you

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Speaker 1: run one of the biggest social media platforms on the planet,

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Speaker 1: while you're running the top electric car company on the planet,

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Speaker 1: while you're running the most effective rocket company in the planet.

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Speaker 2: And he got twelve kits. But I just I don't

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Speaker 2: even understand how he functions.

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Speaker 1: But I wonder point because he does this a lot

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Speaker 1: where I mean, he gets really energized for things, he

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Speaker 1: gets super into him and then I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he gets bored with it or what, but he turns

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Speaker 1: his attention to one of his other projects.

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Speaker 4: And I wonder when that will happen with this. And

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Speaker 4: he has good people to mind the store in his way, certainly,

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Speaker 4: but this is an exaggeration, but just barely, given the

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Speaker 4: utter obviousness of our deficit and debt problems, and as

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Speaker 4: he pointed out quite eloquently that we are now paying

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Speaker 4: significantly more just interest on our death than we are

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Speaker 4: in national defense, which is astonishing and troubling given how

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Speaker 4: obvious and undeniable this problem. Is the fact that a

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Speaker 4: significant chunk of our media and population are acting like

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Speaker 4: this is just Trumpian stupidity and or a constitutional crisis

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Speaker 4: and we don't have to listen, and we're not going

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Speaker 4: to listen, and we're not going to help, and the

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Speaker 4: rest of it. I think the exaggeration that says if

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Speaker 4: Trump cured cancer, these people would go ahead and die

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Speaker 4: of cancer rather than take the cure. We're getting close

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Speaker 4: to it. What was a reductio ad hit lorum.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: The longer an online discussion goes, the more likely it

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Speaker 4: becomes somebody references Hitler. I think we are getting close

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Speaker 4: to the I'd rather die of cancer point in our

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Speaker 4: national quote unquote conversation. It's just bizarre. And that's not

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Speaker 4: to suggest that Trump is incapable of missteps or or

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Speaker 4: or even doing bad things. Some of his recent pardons

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Speaker 4: I think have been inexcusable and indefensible, for instance, and

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to talk about them. But on this trying

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Speaker 4: to rein in the federal.

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Speaker 1: Deficit, well, this is just it's it's undeniable. Well, the

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Speaker 1: fact that Trump and Biden and every president for a

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Speaker 1: while now has said our entitlement programs are off limits,

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Speaker 1: nobody can touch them is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: The fact that you're up there talking about our.

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Speaker 1: Two trillion dollar annual deficit and our debt uh and

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Speaker 1: not talking about that because they're off limits is insane.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna pair it with significant tax increases, right, But

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Speaker 1: that's that's what that is.

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Speaker 2: Something voters have asked for.

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Speaker 1: At some point, some leader has got to stand up

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Speaker 1: and tell the voter something they don't want to hear,

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Speaker 1: we got it.

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Speaker 2: We gotta do something about this. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mentioned a great Thomas Soul quote I came across

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Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago in which he explained that

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Speaker 4: I got a paraphrase because I don't have it in

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Speaker 4: front of me. But the fact that our politicians are,

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Speaker 4: you know, in large numbers congenital liars, is partly our fault.

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Speaker 4: Because if we the electric continually to demand that which

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Speaker 4: is impossible to deliver, for instance, a dollar thirty worth

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Speaker 4: of government for a dollar, year after year after year,

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Speaker 4: the only person who can win an election is a liar.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's where we are on that, all right.

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Speaker 1: I've seen the giant Schnauzer enough. What the hell is

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Speaker 1: that dog? That dog shouldn't be What is that thing

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Speaker 1: with its hair?

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Speaker 2: You know what that is? Michael, see, I'm in tellivision.

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Speaker 4: What the hell? I had no idea?

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Speaker 1: What the hell is that? I walk into your house

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Speaker 1: and you got one of those run up at me?

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Speaker 1: I shriek and pepper spread.

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Speaker 2: What is that? That's not a Is that a dog?

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Speaker 2: That's an alien?

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Speaker 4: The hairless cats an unnatural creature shouldn't exist.

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Speaker 2: God doesn't want that.

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Speaker 1: God doesn't want that you have any thoughts on Elon

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Speaker 1: and that press conference or anything else. And we got

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Speaker 1: more on the way text line four one five n

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Speaker 1: KFTC Arrayetty. Now the disruptor in chief, Elon Musk, who

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Speaker 1: apparently has adopted the alias at least he changed his

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Speaker 1: social media handle to Harry Balls. What Elon at least

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Speaker 1: briefly changed his Twitter handle to Harry Balls and they

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Speaker 1: had to announce it there in Twitter. Of course, he

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Speaker 1: responded on Twitter with laughing, lol, how funny he thought

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Speaker 1: it was that the media was reporting it.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sorry, this is the same Fellows in charge

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Speaker 4: of the most important governmental reforms in the last one

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Speaker 4: hundred years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a couple Quinn doing a hell of a

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Speaker 1: job at it. A couple quick tweets before we get

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Speaker 1: back to Harry Ball's laundry listing the government waste out there,

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Speaker 1: so ao.

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Speaker 4: We call him Harold. At least Harold.

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Speaker 1: AOC had tweeted out LMAO at a billionaire earnestly trying

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Speaker 1: to sell people on the idea that free speech on

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Speaker 1: free speech when it's eight dollars a month to have

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Speaker 1: a subscription on Twitter, Elon said, your feedback is appreciated,

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Speaker 1: and now pay eight dollars.

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Speaker 2: But this is what I really like an idiotic. It

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Speaker 2: is Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 1: We must demand that the extremely wealthy pay their fair

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Speaker 1: share period. Elon's response was, I keep forgetting that you're

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Speaker 1: still alive.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, oh my, oh my.

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Speaker 2: This is generation X in charge. It really is. It

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Speaker 2: really is a nark.

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Speaker 4: Of the grew up with Watergate and then the Vietnam

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Speaker 4: and it's in Stern, right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's the Letterman and Stern generation. Here's a little more, Elon, And.

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Speaker 7: Also, could you mention some of the things that your

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Speaker 7: team has found, some of the crazy numbers, including the

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Speaker 7: woman that walked away with about thirty million?

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Speaker 6: Right. Well, we often we do find it's sort of

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Speaker 6: rather odd that, you know, there are quite a few

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Speaker 6: people in the biocrasy who have ostensibly a salary of

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Speaker 6: a few hundred thousand dollars but somehow managed to accrue

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Speaker 6: tens of millions of dollars in that worth while they

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Speaker 6: are in that position, which is, you know what happened

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Speaker 6: to usaid, we're just curious as to where it came from.

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Speaker 6: Maybe they're very good at investing, which case we should

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Speaker 6: take their investment advice, perhaps, but just there seems to

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Speaker 6: be mysteriously they get wealthy. We' don't know why, where

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Speaker 6: did it come from? And I think the reality is

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Speaker 6: that they're getting wealth to touch by expense.

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Speaker 4: That's the honest truth of it.

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Speaker 1: So Elon being pretty measured. There Trump the politician, he

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Speaker 1: knows where the gold is. What people want to hear

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Speaker 1: the laundry list of wasted money, and that's what he

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Speaker 1: was prompted Elion for.

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Speaker 2: Here's a little more of that.

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Speaker 5: I can't paign on this.

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Speaker 7: I can't paign to the fact that I said government

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Speaker 7: is corrupt, and it is very corrupt.

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Speaker 5: It's very very it's also foolish.

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Speaker 7: As an example, a man has a contract for three

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Speaker 7: months and the contract ends, but they keep paying him

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Speaker 7: for the next twenty years, you know, because nobody ends

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Speaker 7: a contract.

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Speaker 5: You get a lot of that. You have a contract

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Speaker 5: that's a three month contract.

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Speaker 7: Now, normally, if you're in a small in all fairness,

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Speaker 7: it's the size of this thing is so big.

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Speaker 5: But if you have a contract and you're in.

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Speaker 7: A regular business, you end the contract in three months.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's a consultant, here's a contract for three months,

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Speaker 7: but he goes on for twenty years, and the guy doesn't.

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Speaker 5: Say that he got money for twenty is.

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Speaker 7: They don't say it and just keep getting checks month

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Speaker 7: after month. And you have various things like that, and

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Speaker 7: even much worse than that, actually much worse.

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Speaker 4: Or the guy tried fifteen times right to contact the

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Speaker 4: federal government say hey, you gotta stop paying me. And

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Speaker 4: the response to all this from The New York Times

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Speaker 4: is appearing with Trump. Musk makes broad claims without proof,

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Speaker 4: offered no evidence that the federal government is bloated and

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Speaker 4: overspends and corrupt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've heard from people over the years who like

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Speaker 1: tried to send their check back that they weren't supposed

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Speaker 1: to get, like their husband died and they're still getting

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Speaker 1: the Social Security check and he tried to send them

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Speaker 1: back and you just get nowhere.

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Speaker 4: He claimed without proof that ice cream parlors are generally

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Speaker 4: not jammed with thin people.

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Speaker 2: Come on and.

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Speaker 1: Trump hitting on really the core thing that there are

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Speaker 1: people out there who it's just playing the scam and

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Speaker 1: fraud from the beginning. They're trying to slip one by

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Speaker 1: the goalie. But a lot of it's is just so

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Speaker 1: big nobody can keep an eye on everything.

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Speaker 4: Right right, which is a perfectly valid point. George Washington

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Speaker 4: warned us about factionalism. He said, it's the only thing

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Speaker 4: that can kill the country. And if you are so

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Speaker 4: factional that you're not for saving taxpayers money, I don't

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Speaker 4: know how we can work together.

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Speaker 1: If you miss a segment or nowur get the podcast

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