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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebine, a space where no

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Speaker 1: question is off limits and storylines become lifelines. The views

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Speaker 1: shared by our guests are meant to inform, entertain, and empower.

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Speaker 1: From the laughs to the lessons, Just remember, tough times

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Speaker 1: don't last, but Professional Homegirls do enjoy the show.

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Speaker 2: What's up y'all? Isshagar and Ebine here and I hope

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Speaker 2: all is cute. Now, before we jump into this holiday

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Speaker 2: rewind episode, I am still traveling. However, I just want

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Speaker 2: to say thank you, thank you, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for walking with me throughout twenty twenty five. I am

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Speaker 2: so thankful for you all love and support, and I

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Speaker 2: just hope that twenty twenty six give us everything that

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Speaker 2: our little hearts desire. Okay, so happy New Year, Professional Homegirls,

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Speaker 2: and until next time, everyone later. This is one of

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Speaker 2: my favorite guests. We haven't spoken well, we speak on

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Speaker 2: it off here and there, but as far as the episode,

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Speaker 2: it's been like three years one oh four? Has it

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Speaker 2: been that long?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, it has been twenty twenty three. So yes,

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Speaker 4: how are you?

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling? I mean, I know how you feeling.

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Speaker 5: For the listeners, well, thank you for having me back

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Speaker 5: when you reached out and was like, I would love

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Speaker 5: to do a follow up, and I was like, oh, yes,

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Speaker 5: I would love to do a follow up. I've been

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Speaker 5: life has been interesting. I'll say that it's been good.

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Speaker 5: It's been good. It's been interesting. It's been so busy.

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Speaker 5: But I'm sure we'll get into that during the episode.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Now, have you noticed any shifts and perceptions

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Speaker 2: towards sex work.

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Speaker 4: Oh, yes, I have.

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Speaker 5: It is it's it's so weird because first of all,

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Speaker 5: you have like the only fans that took off during

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Speaker 5: the pandemic, right right, so like only like you know,

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Speaker 5: when I first started in the industry. I think I

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Speaker 5: might have mentioned this on the first interview, But when

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Speaker 5: I first started in the industry, like I was a

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Speaker 5: cam model, and that was seen as like online prostitution,

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Speaker 5: you whore, that's so dirty, And now like almost just

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Speaker 5: like I just know way too many like just normal

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Speaker 5: girls that have only fans, like only fans, and like

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Speaker 5: the pandemic and only fans becoming mainstream. I think it's

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Speaker 5: helped with like a little bit of the stigma of

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Speaker 5: like sex work as an umbrella now as an escort

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Speaker 5: we are still heavily stigmatized. We're still in a lot

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Speaker 5: of danger. People so like want to murder us and shit.

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Speaker 5: But I feel like there there is a shift. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's starting to happen where women, especially with these manuscript podcasts,

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Speaker 5: women are starting to see that dating is just trash.

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Speaker 5: It's just a fucking scam. It's a whole as scam. Right.

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Speaker 5: So I'm like, I'm very open now. I know I

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Speaker 5: think I mentioned last time. You know, my family knows

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Speaker 5: what I do. But I don't hide as much anymore.

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Speaker 5: Like when I meet people and they're like, oh, what

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Speaker 5: I'm a professional dater and they're like what's that?

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, also known as an escort.

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Speaker 5: Like I think, like, well, I mean I get it,

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Speaker 5: professional dater like that, Like they're people aren't used to

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Speaker 4: I don't just.

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Speaker 5: Lay there star if they shouldn't take it, right, And

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Speaker 5: so I try to get it through their heads. Like

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Speaker 5: like men are passing through town, they walk in, they

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Speaker 5: then they leave some money on the table. Then the

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Speaker 5: But even I.

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Speaker 2: Say not to cut you off. But even when you

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Speaker 4: Yes, but some people still think that.

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Speaker 5: It's like, you know, like every year around the holidays,

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Speaker 5: saying that they're for hire to go to your family

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Speaker 5: When people hear professional dater, they think something like that, right,

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Speaker 5: Like I'm getting paid like maybe fifty to one hundred

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Speaker 5: and I am being you know, paid for that. And

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Speaker 5: then you know, sometimes other things happen and it's none

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Speaker 5: and they're running their fucking mouth about women needing to submit,

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Speaker 5: women need to go fifty to fifty, they need to

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Speaker 5: and all this shit. And these women are like, they

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Speaker 5: start to turn me, like, I see why you charge

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Speaker 5: for men to just enter your life period, but any

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Speaker 5: capacity text messaging, I don't care if they've never met me.

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Speaker 5: You have no access to me in my personal space

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Speaker 4: Sort of payment because I don't have time for it.

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Speaker 2: Right. Do you still find yourself like addressing like stereotypes

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Speaker 2: or misconceptions.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, yes, And I'm like, I created a

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Speaker 5: whole podcast to like help with some of the misconceptions

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Speaker 4: Interview that I had a podcast.

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Speaker 5: Originally I parted ways with that one, and then I

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Speaker 5: was like, you know, I'm just not satisfied with like,

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Speaker 5: was just focusing on the dating aspect of what we

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Speaker 5: do right. So I had a like different kind of

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Speaker 5: it's like people still don't get it right. They still

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Speaker 5: refer to like our good clients as simps. You know,

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Speaker 5: you hear that all the time. Now, the sense, the sense,

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Speaker 5: thing that they're doing that you're not is they're getting

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Speaker 2: Fucked right right, Like their whole goal is to get fucked.

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, honestly, it's not that hard to get

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Speaker 4: You just have to treat me well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's why a lot of women. If

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Speaker 2: you make me feel good and treat me nice, you

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Speaker 5: The floodgates are open, like literally you know, cardib style

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Speaker 5: right right right, it gets it gets very voice down there. Okay,

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Speaker 5: all you have to do is treat me decent, Like

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Speaker 2: Just be a nice person, just be a good.

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Speaker 5: Person and being genuine about it because I can I

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Speaker 5: don't know if it's because of my profession, but I

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Speaker 5: can tell the difference. And it's like my energy, like

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Speaker 5: my body just doesn't want to you know, just doesn't

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Speaker 5: And I mean, I can tell you there is some

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Speaker 5: I'm like, my dude, like I don't like the way

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Speaker 5: you're talking to me. I don't like the way you're

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Speaker 5: treating me. Now, don't get me wrong, I haven't had

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Speaker 4: It's been several years.

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Speaker 5: But like at the time, I kept attracting like some

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, not my dude, you pay me to

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Speaker 5: here handing me over my money. And I'm going to

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Speaker 4: Right, this isn't gonna work.

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Speaker 5: Just like last week on Twitter, there was like this

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Speaker 5: You're just gonna have to find somebody else because I'm

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Speaker 5: not leaving my house without a deposit. I just won't

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Speaker 5: I'm going to be like freaking the fuck out on something. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: like is he going to pay me? But once I

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Speaker 5: get that deposit, I'm like, you could cancel, but you're

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Speaker 5: not getting the refund. You know, those are laid out

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Speaker 4: Didn't have to pass the deposit.

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Speaker 5: Me? No, I know other girls that have. I think

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Speaker 2: And it's nice way possible.

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Speaker 5: Right, I'm a very nice person, but I am somebody

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Speaker 5: that you should not cross. And I hope So I

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Speaker 5: hope some like future client out there or person out

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Speaker 5: there isn't like hearing this interview and find me and

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Speaker 5: then thinks like.

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Speaker 4: And try should they should take this as a challenge.

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Speaker 2: And they fuck around and find out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it would end well for them.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 2: In our previous discussion, you mentioned the positive impact of

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Speaker 2: the pandemic in your business, So how has that been

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Speaker 2: going for you? Like, has it still been consistent or

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Speaker 2: have you seen the change? Did I?

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Speaker 4: Did I mention that?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 5: That was Yeah, twenty twenty was a whole fucking that

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Speaker 5: was a wild year. Yeah, Like I mean people were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gets what the stimulus text?

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not gonna lie. There are uh, there

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Speaker 5: are a few clients where not the stimulus checks. But

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Speaker 5: I like, okay, So my my background is in the

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Speaker 5: financial industry, right, Like I was an account I was

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Speaker 5: an accountant, and and one thing that I loved doing

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Speaker 5: was financial fraud, right, so I can peep fraud from

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Speaker 5: a mile away. And there were some clients from like

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Speaker 5: I know that they must be booking me with like

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Speaker 5: pp Elos.

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Speaker 4: I don't know it, but I can't prove it.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to ask you about it because I

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Speaker 5: don't want to be involved in like any sort of

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Speaker 5: like investigation, Like that's none of my business. I'm not

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Speaker 5: Erica Girardi. You're not about to come after me and

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Speaker 5: get my like no, right, But like it was, it

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Speaker 4: I made a lot of money, and twenty twenty two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, slow down, we don't get there. Well no, I mean.

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Speaker 4: That's last years when I started to slow down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a bitch is tired, I know. Yeah. We was

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Speaker 5: We are, like I am tired, okay, Like I've been

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Speaker 4: And I had a five year plan when I first started.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I feel like when I meet a

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Speaker 4: The money becomes addicting.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I like, I'm not gonna lie, Like the money

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Speaker 5: every single day going on dates is not like I

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Speaker 4: I got I have healthy eating that I need to

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Speaker 5: And eating out on dates every day is just I

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Speaker 2: You know what's so interesting about you? Because I feel

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Speaker 2: like protecting your energy? Well, all the different people that

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Speaker 5: Oh, well, you know, I am very privileged. Now, I

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Speaker 5: I don't want anybody thinking that I grew up privilege.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they can literally just be like, hey, today

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Speaker 5: I mean it could be like like, it could be anything.

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Speaker 5: It's so like if I'm not feeling it, I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'll just be like sorry, I don't think we mesh well, right,

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Speaker 5: Like I just like somebody sent me an email a

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, I asked this on Twitter and holy shit,

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Speaker 5: it started a ship storm. It means it appears to

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Speaker 4: Me, PSC means like you know, like in a two

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Speaker 5: They think that it's gonna be sets, like all sets,

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Speaker 4: And I'm not a multi person. No, it's not what

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: So many acronyms in this business.

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Speaker 2: One of them ms.

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Speaker 4: Og multiple shots on goal.

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Speaker 2: I'm not one of those people st.

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Speaker 5: Like they can like come as many times as they can,

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Speaker 5: and I'm like, I will, I will walk out like what.

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Speaker 2: Do you what? I yeah, maybe I guess I'm vanilla

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Speaker 5: Like, what, yes, I mean these are all of these

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, don't start off being one of those

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Speaker 5: away from that because they all get into these forums,

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Speaker 5: they start talking, chatting, and then within two years you're going.

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Speaker 4: To be exhausted.

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Speaker 5: So unless you have a backup plan that you're going

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Speaker 5: I even think that somebody wants me just for like

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Speaker 6: Well. I'm like, I'm in my thirties, Like this ain't

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Speaker 2: But do you ever just want to just have sex

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Speaker 4: A hook up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like just get straight to it, like because I

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Speaker 2: Like that's that's a lot.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 5: And you know, so I have like I have ADHD

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Speaker 5: tell you that, people think that we form like pretend connections,

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, I'm really.

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Speaker 2: Good at my job.

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Speaker 5: When I tell you my long term clients, they're not

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Speaker 5: sticking around for my vagina. It's because like I have

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Speaker 5: put in the work and we have formed actual bonds.

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Speaker 5: Like I'm talking about like we're going out on dates,

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Speaker 5: and many many.

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Speaker 4: Other women can attest to this, right.

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Speaker 5: It's not like I'm some like special person, right, we

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Speaker 5: so every time we get together one like we'll get

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Speaker 4: To a zoo.

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Speaker 5: Yet I love animals, right, like, and we're talking about

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Speaker 5: to feed the giraffe, right, And I'm like, of course

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Speaker 5: telling me like watching you interact with these animals, like

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Speaker 2: That about me, right you know, And I'm like.

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Speaker 5: This and this is what keeps him coming back because

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: And then and then I will tell you, like we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's genuine, right.

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Speaker 4: Not because he's paying me to have sex with me.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, no, I don't get paid for sex, right

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Speaker 5: because if I don't like you, I just won't do.

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Speaker 2: That right, right, right, But these.

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Speaker 4: Are genuine connections that we have with people, you know.

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Speaker 2: Right, did you have to like do anything differently when

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Speaker 2: it comes to safety because I feel like you, like

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Speaker 5: I have been traveling a lot. Like listen, I bought

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Speaker 2: Like, I hit the road. This is so cute, y'ah.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I can't talk about it because I don't want anybody,

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Speaker 5: I've just been having so much fun this year. Like,

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Speaker 5: because like I make some money, I take some days off, right, so, like,

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Speaker 5: you know, like this tour, this tour is pretty booked,

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Speaker 5: but that's okay because I'm taking the last two weeks

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Speaker 5: but my safety, yeah, I really I can't disclose all

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Speaker 5: I do a lot of screening. I mean I may

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Speaker 5: have some trackers on me somewhere, you know, like if

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Speaker 5: somebody thought that they might want to kidnap me, it's

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Speaker 5: not the best idea because.

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Speaker 2: You were going to be found if a Nina was

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Speaker 2: trying you. And by the end of POP, I was like,

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Speaker 2: I give up because I was like.

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Speaker 4: My mom was like, they're gonna if they give me bed.

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Speaker 5: They they should, Like I'm not gonna make it easy, you.

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Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying, Like I'm not going to make

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Speaker 5: And I you know, I just have all of these

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Speaker 5: like safety like I go through these so again, my

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Speaker 4: My family, my close friends, right.

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Speaker 5: Right, So I have all of these like things in

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Speaker 5: these things and protocols in place. If you don't hear

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Speaker 5: am like they know everything, they know, like they.

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Speaker 2: Will know up to the last they sure, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, So like somebody always knows where I am.

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Speaker 5: I mean even if I'm like I leave my hotel

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Speaker 2: Doing and just being a woman, Like I think that's

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Speaker 5: So I think, I mean when I when I tell you,

442
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 5: like they have my location, I mean, I got I

443
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 5: got my vehicle lojacked. It's not everything I have, like

444
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 5: everything I have all sorts of things, yeah, I mean,

445
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 5: and it's not even like my clients, you know, because

446
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 5: at that point, like you know, I could be snatched

447
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 5: going into a mall or yeah, I'm a small person,

448
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 5: so I like at some point, like I'm sure my

449
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 5: family is like you can go to the grocery store.

450
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 4: You don't need to let us know.

451
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 5: And I'm like listen, like, I mean, they don't say

452
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 5: things like that because I've had to kidnapping attempts in

453
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 5: my life, so they're they're just like.

454
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: Okay, from the industry.

455
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 5: No, before I got into the business, what Yeah, yeah,

456
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 5: I can't talk about it. Yeah, I mean this was

457
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 5: while I was traveling. I travel by myself a lot,

458
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 5: and I'm a very small person. Like people don't realize

459
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 5: how small five feet is until they're standing next to

460
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 5: somebody who's five feet tall. Like most like most people

461
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 5: like are average heights, so they think, like, oh, you're.

462
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 4: Short, you're a cute girl.

463
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they don't realize like I'm below average height,

464
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 5: like I'm very fatigue and I am told a lot

465
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 5: that I look a lot younger than what I am.

466
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 5: So at the time when those that kidnapping attempts happen,

467
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 5: they probably thought that I was in college and I

468
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 5: wasn't as full of grown as adult with the four

469
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 5: O one k, you know, in a career and everything,

470
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 5: and I mean I ran and got away, don't get

471
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 5: me wrong, but so yeah, so but anyway, so yeah,

472
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 5: my family's like on high alert because we know that

473
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 5: if it can happen to somebody, it might happen to me.

474
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 4: So I have to take I have to take the

475
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 4: like most extreme.

476
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 2: Faking measures, right, you know, I feel like, you know,

477
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: you disclosed some things to me before a conversation and

478
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 2: like just talking to you more like do you eus

479
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: just look back on your life like prior to being

480
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 2: in the industry and just being like, God, damn, I'm

481
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 2: like I've been through some shit, you.

482
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 4: Know, Yeah, I honestly, yeah I have. Uh.

483
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 5: I just the other day, I was like organizing my kitchen.

484
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 5: It was just like one of those random things it

485
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 5: just pops in your head, right, and like I was like, Damn,

486
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 5: that really happened. Like sometimes like sometimes I'm just like

487
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 5: some of the shit that's happened in my life, like

488
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 5: it just seems so weird, right, Like did I imagine?

489
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 5: And I'm like, yo, I did not fucking imagine that

490
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 5: that really happened.

491
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 2: Like I can't believe it.

492
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 4: And I'm like, damn, I really have been through some shit. Yeah,

493
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 4: but people don't believe me when I tell them.

494
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 5: Being in this job literally saved my life because I

495
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 5: did not I did not realize how I like, I'm

496
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 5: a very care free person, and I did not realize

497
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 5: how carefree I was, like do Like people will see

498
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 5: on my Twitter and all the shit that I, you know,

499
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 5: posted on Twitter and going on yachts and shit like that,

500
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 5: and they think like, oh, you know, she's you know,

501
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 5: she doesn't know how to ask.

502
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: She's and I'm like, no, no, I live in Florida.

503
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 4: Live in Florida, babes.

504
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 5: Being a pretty young girl getting invited on yachts is

505
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 5: not It's not hard to do.

506
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 4: My early twenties, like, you know, I wasn't in this business,

507
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 4: and I'm going out with.

508
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 5: Strange men on their fucking yachts in the middle of

509
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 5: the ocean.

510
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: Right drinking alcohol.

511
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 5: Like, do you know how much danger I have myself

512
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 5: in because I'm just like, oh, I'm just having a

513
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 5: good time.

514
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 4: How did guys survive my twenties?

515
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: You know? My next question is how has your perception

516
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: of sex work industry evolved since you first enter it,

517
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: because it's been like almost ten years now, and what

518
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: have been the most significant lessons you learned along the way?

519
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 5: Man, When I first entered the industry, I really thought

520
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 5: that I that I would be having a lot more

521
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 5: sex than I am.

522
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: But I think that's a stereotype, do I think a

523
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: lot of people? Yeah, that's idea.

524
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 4: And hold on, I have to say this.

525
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 5: I do not want any girl out there thinking that, like, like,

526
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 5: how these some of these girls who are in TikTok

527
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 5: saying that they're sugar babies that don't have to give

528
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 5: up the sugar.

529
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 4: They are lying to you. They are setting you up

530
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 4: for failure. Do not believe it.

531
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 5: I mean, even in just regular dating without money, men

532
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 5: expect sex at every point in your life.

533
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 4: As soon as they meet you. Everything they're doing is

534
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 4: to make sure they get sex from you.

535
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: Right.

536
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 5: So I still don't understand why our job is criminalized

537
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 5: because like I'm like, I don't I don't get paid

538
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 5: for sex, but I know that's what they're expecting.

539
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 4: Right.

540
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: But I.

541
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 5: Was having this conversation with a friend the other night

542
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 5: and I was like, yeah, I had, you know, like

543
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 5: you know, a few married girlfriends, and you know, they're

544
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 5: talking about like how they don't want their marriage to

545
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 5: be ruined because of sex. So they're having sex like

546
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 5: five times a week.

547
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: And I was like what right, But I was like.

548
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 4: They're having more sex than I am.

549
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 5: And I was like and listen, like I love sex

550
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 5: and everything, right, but I'm like a bit just tired,

551
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 5: Like I'm not. I don't just lay there like I

552
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 5: want to enjoy it. I want to have multiple orgasms.

553
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: Right.

554
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 5: Orgasms are exhausting I don't know why men think that

555
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 5: they're just something easy for women to have. They are exhausting,

556
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 5: and I can have multiple in a row, right, So

557
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 5: if I have multiple, I.

558
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: Am dead to them.

559
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm done sleep. I need sleep.

560
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: I don't even touch me like I need to. My

561
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: body is like I need to charge.

562
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 5: And I'm just like and I'm just like, oh my god,

563
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 5: like these women, these poor women. They and and that's

564
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 5: one thing is like men are like, oh, you're a hole,

565
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 5: you're ran through.

566
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 4: And I'm like, it's still very much tight, very tight.

567
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 5: And I was like, I have less sex than your

568
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 5: wives out there. The ones, the ones that are trying hard,

569
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 5: I should say, the ones that have given up. I

570
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 5: don't know what they do, but the ones that are

571
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 5: trying very hard because they they feel like they have

572
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 5: to perform in order to keep their husband happy. And

573
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my god, I can't do it.

574
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: But you made a good point earlier about how people

575
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: feel like they have access to our bodies.

576
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 4: They really do feel entitled.

577
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 5: And mostly, you know, society religion is a main part

578
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 5: of it is because society and religion tells women that

579
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 5: we're only good for what we can do for men, right,

580
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 5: and they should have to do nothing except like expect

581
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 5: sex from us, right, emotional they expect emotional labor from us.

582
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 5: They expect physical labor as far as like keeping up

583
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 5: the house, and then they expect sexual labor.

584
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: And I'm like, get somebody else to do it. I

585
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: can't do it. I'm tired.

586
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a lot like like let me just stay

587
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 7: single because they all tell me that I'm gonna die

588
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 7: single and the loan and I'm like, I'm fine with that.

589
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: Like I'm like living my best fucking life.

590
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 5: When I stopped censoring men in my life, my life

591
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 5: became significantly better, including this job.

592
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: Right, Like I used to.

593
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 5: Be so focused on like making like marketing myself towards

594
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 5: like what do men want?

595
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm tired.

596
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: I'm tired.

597
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 5: I was like, this is me and this is what

598
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 5: you're gonna get if you like me. Great, And oh

599
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 5: my god, the minute I did that. Like, like when

600
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 5: I say that I don't work often, it's because I

601
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 5: don't have to because the gates that I'm getting are

602
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 5: very lucrative, so I don't have.

603
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: To do it as often. Right, And there are guys

604
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: that match me. You have always been since I've been

605
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: knowing you. You've always been an advocate of like just

606
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: being yourself like you always do girls. Yeah, so much.

607
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 5: It's so much easier now there are people who can

608
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 5: do the whole mask thing.

609
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 4: I'm not good at masking.

610
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 5: I already have to mask so much in my life

611
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 5: with like having ADHD and just having like just all

612
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 5: the other shit that's wrong with me. Ray, I told

613
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 5: you that I have indimetriosis and living with that for

614
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 5: so many years, like nobody wants to hear that. I'm

615
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 5: never feeling while right. So every day I'm pretty much

616
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 5: like just having to pretend that everything's okay, right, and

617
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 5: so there there just becomes a point where like I

618
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 5: can't mask for the rest of my fucking life with

619
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 5: every single.

620
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 4: Thing that I do right, So I'm like, I can't

621
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 4: do it. Like I'm telling you, I've made a lot

622
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: more money. I've worked less but made more money me myself.

623
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for you, And I feel like now, like

624
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: I know you're tired and you're exhausted, but I also

625
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: feel like you're happier compared to the last time I

626
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: spoke to you.

627
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 4: I am so much happier.

628
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 5: Okay, I will tell you though, because I don't want

629
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 5: people to think that I'm just so tired of exhausted

630
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 5: because like I've ran through herseff.

631
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, no, I'm not I hear it.

632
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: No no, I'm not implying that listeners, Like, I don't

633
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,239
Speaker 2: want you to think that she's tired because of what

634
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: she does. She's tired because she's working, like life is

635
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: just life, and like I'm tired, Like yeah, like you're hustling,

636
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: you're grinding, like you have goals that you want to meet.

637
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you're taking care of things by yourself, Like

638
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: it's a lie to fucking work when it comes to

639
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: being a grown woman, Like.

640
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hate being a grown woman, Like I don't.

641
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: I don't don't have himp, Like it's a lot of

642
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: fucking work. And then you're building businesses, you have goals

643
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: outside of your career, Like it's a lot of fucking work,

644
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: like you're it's non stop, so it don't even have

645
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the industry, like a bitch.

646
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 4: It really doesn't.

647
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 5: Actually what I'm tired, what I'm tired from is like

648
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 5: building my next uh the next thing that I'm going

649
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 5: to do in life. Yeah, after I'm preparing. I'm preparing

650
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 5: myself today for whenever I retire from this industry. You

651
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 5: have a date, I don't have a Well, I kind

652
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 5: of do have a date. I just don't want to

653
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 5: share it with anybody, Okay, Okay, I just want to

654
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 5: like be like peace out, just like thanks everybody, it's

655
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 5: been real.

656
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: And peace out.

657
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: But I feel like I feel like part of me

658
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 4: will never technically leave the dusty Street because I have

659
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 4: I have clients that as long as they're they're single,

660
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: because most of the ones that I have that are

661
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 4: long term actually have been single, And as long as

662
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 4: they're single and want to keep seeing me, I'm I'll

663
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 4: probably continue to see them. Why not, right?

664
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: But you know when I say retire, I mean like

665
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 5: I'm not advertising anymore. I'm not I'm not doing all

666
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 5: the you know, social media and all that stuff. Like

667
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 5: you know, I just won't be doing all of that,

668
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 5: and I will be working on my personal brands and

669
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 5: working on that, like doing this simultaneously, like setting up

670
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 5: my future.

671
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: It's so much work. It's a lot of work. Listen.

672
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: I feel like with my brand, like I really believe

673
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: in my heart that I have a million dollar business.

674
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 5: But between that, can I tell you that, I like,

675
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 5: I still love what you're doing.

676
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 4: I love it.

677
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 5: I still love it, and I'm like, so when you

678
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 5: got onto the network, I.

679
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: Know, she was one of my main supporters, and I

680
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, yes, girl, I was so

681
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: excited for you know, and that's why I like fucks

682
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: with you, cause I feel like my guest, y'all. She

683
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: has been with me since we first met, Like she

684
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: has been such a very proud friend I can call

685
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: like somebody who I like. We talk back and forth,

686
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: like I think she's very smart, like for her to

687
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: have her condo, Like you just have so much things

688
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 2: going on, so for you to support me out loud

689
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: really means a lot to me because you oh, what

690
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 2: you're doing is so great and I love it.

691
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 5: I love it so much and I'm just so proud

692
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 5: of you and just you know that you're moving up

693
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 5: in the world.

694
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and it's a lot of fucking work.

695
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: Like I'm mentally exhausted.

696
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 4: It is exhausting.

697
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exactly. You know.

698
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 4: People ask me all the time, like, oh, I'm thinking

699
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 4: about starting a podcast, and my first question.

700
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: Is why, Yeah, why why?

701
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 5: And like because it is exhausting. It's not as easy

702
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 5: as people think of just like putting on I mean

703
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 5: the men out there and their stupid tanks takes on

704
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 5: calling everybody simps. They make it seem so easy, you know,

705
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 5: they just put up a microphone and they just start

706
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 5: spewing bullshit.

707
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 4: But if you actually quit care about like quality.

708
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of work.

709
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of work.

710
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: Right, So what does success look like for you? Success? Yeah? Oh,

711
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: like do you feel like you made it? No?

712
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 4: God, no, I'm so far from making it likely.

713
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 5: I'm like one of those people where like I think

714
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 5: I have a little bit of like imposter syndrome. Really

715
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 5: I do, And I think that that will always like

716
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 5: keep me in some sort of like I'm not successful yet, right,

717
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 5: And it's not even like I used to think that

718
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 5: it would be like a financial number and it's not

719
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 5: really no, because then like okay, let's say I reached

720
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 5: that financial number, and then I'm like, well, that's not

721
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 5: going to be enough until like I can retire my

722
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 5: mom from her job and be able to like literally

723
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 5: be able to fully take care of another human being.

724
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 5: Right where she has no other additional income coming in,

725
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 5: and like, you know, I told my mom, like I

726
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 5: need my mom for emotional support. I tell her that

727
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 5: all the time. Yeah, Like, I just need you to

728
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 5: be like my voice of reason. I'm going to put

729
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 5: one day, I'm going to put you on payroll just

730
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 5: so that you can be my emotional support.

731
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: Have you always been close or did y'all? Yeah?

732
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, we've always We've always been I mean, you know,

733
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 5: I was like a snot nos teenager, right, you know,

734
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 5: going to these rich high schools and you know, being

735
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 5: around spoiled kids and thinking like that was my life.

736
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: And my mom was like, no, you're.

737
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 5: Black, that's not your life, like like I will show

738
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 5: you better than I can tell you kind of thing.

739
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 4: And uh but you know, after like my after I

740
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 4: got out of.

741
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 5: Those stupid teenage years of thinking that I was an

742
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 5: adult and knew better, I'm like, I don't want to

743
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 5: be an adult anymore. We yeah, we we've been close. Yeah,

744
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 5: my whole life, we've been close.

745
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

746
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a huge fan.

747
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 5: Like I'm like, I like, I probably have like an

748
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 5: unhealthy relationship, I joke, and I what is that?

749
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 4: What is that show.

750
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 5: Oh, I can't remember the name of the show right now,

751
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 5: the you know, the one where he's like obsessed with

752
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 5: his mom came from a movie.

753
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: He's so, oh, Cycle is it Psycho? Is it a

754
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: scary movie?

755
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 4: I think it was a scary movie. I think the

756
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 4: Baits Baits the Baittel Show.

757
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cycle, Yeah, is that Psycho? I think it's like

758
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: a spin off. Yeah.

759
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 4: I joke with mom that I that we're Norman Norman Bates.

760
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, I actually listened to your conversation with

761
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: your mom. How did you feel leading up to that

762
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: conversation and then did you discover anything new about how

763
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 2: she felt about everything?

764
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like we talked about it and I asked her

765
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 5: and I said, you know, a lot of people, I

766
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 5: think a lot of people also felt that maybe I

767
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 5: was shitting about, like my mom being cool with everything.

768
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 5: And when I say cool with it, I mean like

769
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 5: she'd rather me not be doing this, by the way,

770
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 5: like people people think that, like, oh, like your mom's

771
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 5: like approving, Like, no, she'd rather me be doing anything

772
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 5: but this, But she just wants me to be happy.

773
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 5: So when I say approval, she just wants me to

774
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 5: be happy. And I told her, I said, you know,

775
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 5: I would really like to get a perspective from a

776
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 5: parent of somebody that's in this industry.

777
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: And she was like, yeah, I'll do it for you. Yeah.

778
00:39:59,200 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 5: Good.

779
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: Be very nervous.

780
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: Of course, I can only imagine because your prom is

781
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: she's she West Indian. No, I don't know where I

782
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: got that from.

783
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 4: No, we're just good old American slave black.

784
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: Okay, but no, So how do you maintain like open

785
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 2: and honest communication about your experiences?

786
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 4: Okay, I will tell you that I don't.

787
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 5: There's a lot of experiences that I don't share with her,

788
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 5: right right, like a client like does something bad, Like

789
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 5: I don't give her every detail.

790
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 4: I do share with her.

791
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 5: Like all the good things though, But otherwise I think

792
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 5: it's more it's not necessarily about my mom.

793
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 4: It's about myself. Like I'm very much like I need

794
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 4: to like.

795
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 5: In order for me to thrive in my life, I

796
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 5: need to be able to be comfortable with me and

797
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 5: be one hundred percent authentically me. And if I can't,

798
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 5: if I can't do that, then like we have a problem. Right, Like,

799
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 5: I'm not going to be happy, I'm going to be stressed.

800
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 5: I'm going to be miserable.

801
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 4: I don't. I just don't like having to hide any

802
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 4: part of my life.

803
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 5: Like I will tell my mom, like I don't want

804
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 5: to talk about it kind of thing, Right, there's something

805
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 5: I don't want to share with her. I'll just say

806
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 5: I don't want to talk about it, or you don't

807
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 5: want to hear it. If I say you don't want

808
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 5: to hear it, she knows, like, yep, she doesn't want

809
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 5: to hear it. Right, But again, as long as I'm safe,

810
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 5: like that's all she cares about.

811
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: Safe and happy. Yeah, happy for sure, because life is

812
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: hard and life is too short to be unhappy.

813
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 5: I was miserable as an accountant, Like you know, you

814
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 5: didn't know me before I was miserable, Like I was

815
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 5: probably one of those people that was just miserable to

816
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 5: be around because I was miserable, right, And I was like.

817
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 4: I don't want to be that person.

818
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I.

819
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 4: Really does, And so I.

820
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 5: Worked hard to like be happy, Like you know, it's

821
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 5: been a journey for sure.

822
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 2: Challenge get me started.

823
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 5: It has, like I can't I literally cannot believe I've

824
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 5: been out of corporate this song.

825
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know there.

826
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 5: Are times where you know, like I'll I'll hear about

827
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 5: a case on uh like on the news or something,

828
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 5: and it'll like pique my interest and I'm like, man, like, oh,

829
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 5: I know, like that would have been a great case

830
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 5: for me to work on, you know, solving these financial crimes.

831
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 5: And I think about it all the time, and I'm

832
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 5: just like and like I think about it, and then

833
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 5: I'm like just the thought of like waking up in

834
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 5: the morning and having to report somewhere at a time

835
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 5: that wasn't set by me, right.

836
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, fuck, I can't do it.

837
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 5: Like I get anxiety just thinking about working a normal job.

838
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: But what if you was to do it as your

839
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: own business?

840
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, that interferes with my travel schedule. I'm I'm gonna

841
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 5: be honest. The only thing I like, I tell people

842
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 5: I don't know if I'm joking or if I'm being serious,

843
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 5: because sometimes I'm not sure that I have no personality

844
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 5: outside of traveling, Like that's like, yeah.

845
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: That's what person I have no idea like you, but

846
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: like not this me, but like real me.

847
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't even know if I have a personality,

848
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 5: Like I just want to travel and only talk about travel,

849
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 5: and like the only thing I care about is traveling,

850
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 5: and then as soon as I get home from a trip,

851
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I'm exhausted from that trip and I'm

852
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 5: home for a week, and I'm like, all right, when

853
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 5: is the next trip? Because I'm like, why the fuck

854
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 5: am I sitting here? Like why am I home?

855
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: Right?

856
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 5: I can't fucking stand being home, Like I like to

857
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 5: come home to see my mom if she's not that's

858
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 5: if she's not traveling with me, because she'd.

859
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: Be like I would, she goes on the right with me,

860
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: So like not while I'm touring.

861
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 5: Right, Like when I did my tour this summer, I

862
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 5: did like a three week tour and that's because I

863
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 5: was going to be off for three weeks, right, So

864
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 5: I drove up, I drove up to a destination, flew

865
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 5: my mom there, and then we spent three weeks on

866
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 5: the road together, and it was, oh my god, it

867
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 5: was so much fun.

868
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 4: It was so much fun.

869
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 5: And like for me, like, I don't feel like I

870
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 5: have success until like I can do that with my

871
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 5: mom all the time.

872
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: Right, she doesn't.

873
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 5: She doesn't have to take off time from work because

874
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 5: like she's like her job is being my emotional support.

875
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 4: Assistant, right, right, Are you so serious about that?

876
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: And of you and your siblings, are you the one

877
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: that's the closest to your mom.

878
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 5: I don't like to answer that question because I don't think.

879
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 5: I think all of us have different relationships.

880
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 2: With with my mom.

881
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, obviously my siblings are married, they're doing

882
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 5: the whole American dream house, picket fence kind of thing.

883
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 4: They're They're very normal. They're normal people.

884
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: I am not.

885
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 4: So I'm the one that requires a little more attention.

886
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 4: You know, I'm the wild child. I'm single.

887
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 5: I am I'm just out here living life.

888
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 4: I'm very carefree. I'm just not I'm out there in

889
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 4: the streets. Okay, I'm in the street. You know.

890
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: One thing that I remember when when we first met

891
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: is that I always said that I see you as

892
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: an educator. Really yeah, and I know you was like, no,

893
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that, but I'm going to

894
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: get your opinion on something. Do you feel like sex

895
00:45:54,120 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: work should be taught in schools? Hmmm, No, really, because

896
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: I think it's.

897
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 5: I feel like it should be part of maybe like

898
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 5: a sociology class, maybe psychology class. I will tell you, though,

899
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 5: there's so much stigma when it comes to professional and

900
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 5: professional health care providers, whether it's a guy of collegist,

901
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 5: like I switched gy to cologists because I told her

902
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 5: that I was an escort. And her question to me,

903
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 5: while she was, you know, doing my pepsmere was like,

904
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 5: aren't you afraid?

905
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 4: And I was like, of what, Oh, she's like of

906
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 4: being harmed, And I go, I'm afraid of the police.

907
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 5: They're the only people I'm afraid of because like, I

908
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 5: can't fight, I can't fight back. Like if there's if

909
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 5: it's an undercover cop, right and he and he does

910
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 5: something where I'm like thinking, like my life is about

911
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 5: to be in danger if I do anything to him.

912
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 4: Now I have a charge on battery on law enforcement officer.

913
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 5: Right. But if it's like you know, somebody who's in

914
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 5: I don't want to say certain like serial killers, Okay,

915
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 5: Like let's be honest, they're out there.

916
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 4: They caught the Long Island serial killer.

917
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 5: But you know I can take my chances with somebody

918
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 5: I can fight there. I can't fight their but the

919
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 5: cops they can say whatever they want about you and

920
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 5: nobody cares.

921
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 4: So I'm like, yeah, that's what I'm afraid of.

922
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: But I also asked me that question while you and

923
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: my pussy.

924
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 4: While you're a girl, Like this is some basis.

925
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you say something like why you ask me?

926
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: Don't ask questions?

927
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 5: I'm like, I feel violated right right. I switched out

928
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 5: to collegist.

929
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: But I said that sex worsts should be tall. I

930
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: said this the other night and everybody was like what.

931
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: And I think the reason why sex work should be

932
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: tall is for reasons like that, just for awareness. And

933
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: I also think that the things that like nine to

934
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: five jobs are going to be non existent very soon,

935
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: Like it's going to get to a point where people

936
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: are going to want to be creatives and podcasters and

937
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: all this other shit and sex workers. And I think

938
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: that why not create a curriculum that shows people how

939
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: to do things the safe way so you don't have

940
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: to learn at the hard way.

941
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 5: But it's out there, That's what I'm saying. Like the

942
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 5: girl is coming in. I mean, I'm gonna be honest.

943
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 5: If anybody asks me for advice right now, I'd be like,

944
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 5: do anything other than this. I'm just gonna be honest.

945
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 5: This is like people think that all you have to

946
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 5: do is like post cute pictures on.

947
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 4: It is, but when I tell.

948
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: You it's work.

949
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 5: It can be lonely, it can be isolating, it's mentally exhausting,

950
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 5: like it is hard work, and then you you have

951
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 5: your your safety at risk. Like if you can do

952
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 5: anything else, please do it. Like I'm not I'm not

953
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 5: trying to like you know, be a gatekeeper or anything,

954
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,959
Speaker 5: but like do anything else.

955
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: But I'm not promoted. That's like the girls thought I

956
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: was promoting it, and I'm not promoting. I just feel

957
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: like there's just so much stigma around it.

958
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 5: There is, but but with in our community, we have

959
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 5: created those those resources we like I've written a book,

960
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 5: another with my former podcast, I wrote a book on

961
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 5: how to get started. There's other other people who wrote books,

962
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 5: some that wrote books with like you know, self care,

963
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 5: the self care that's involved in this. We need a

964
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 5: lot of self care, right, So I don't I wouldn't

965
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 5: say it should be a college course just because like

966
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 5: we're sex. Work is work, don't get me wrong. But

967
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 5: when we're talking about like this is our personal bodies,

968
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 5: and when you start talking about like college college courses

969
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 5: and like I want to destigmatize it, but I also

970
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 5: need people to realize that like it's still labor using

971
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 5: our bodies. Yeah, and that's not something that's so easy

972
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 5: to just be like, oh yeah, we can just have

973
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 5: a class on it, right because it's still like, it's

974
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 5: still our bodies. Because then because it goes almost to

975
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 5: the point of like legalization, and I'm very much against

976
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 5: not legalizing it.

977
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta pay tax on my body.

978
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 5: Well, it's not the taxes. We do pay taxes, you know,

979
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 5: we pay our taxes.

980
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: That's not the issue. The issue is.

981
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 5: Once you start, when it's legalized, then it becomes elitists.

982
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 5: Right then the low burierer entry, they start, oh, okay,

983
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 5: now you have to have a license to do it.

984
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: Now you have to have this, and I have to that.

985
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 5: And then all the women that are like you know

986
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 5: what people would say, quote unquote at the bottom.

987
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 4: Now it's going to be harder for them to enter

988
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 4: the business.

989
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: Right And then it becomes yeah, and then.

990
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 5: It's going to become where who's going to benefit from

991
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 5: the legalization then blonde white women.

992
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 4: It's going to make it very hard, right you see Nevada.

993
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 5: Already you have to license in the and if you

994
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 5: owe child support, a lot of women go to make

995
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 5: money to catch up on child support, right, and if

996
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 5: you owe child support, you can't work in Nevada.

997
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, legal as a legal.

998
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 4: Prostitute in Nevada. You can't work if you owe child support.

999
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 5: How the fuck am I gonna pay child support if

1000
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 5: I don't have the income to do it right?

1001
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: Right?

1002
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 5: You know, y'all don't want to raise minimum wage, but

1003
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 5: you don't want you don't want women doing what they

1004
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 5: can to make the money, you know, So it becomes

1005
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,479
Speaker 5: like if it starts to be too mainstream and being

1006
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 5: taught in classes, then it'll become legalized, which I don't

1007
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 5: think it'll ever be legalized because our antic society is

1008
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 5: to Christian and like that's the only thing that saves

1009
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 5: us from the legalization because I'm very anti brothel, right,

1010
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 5: Like it's like it is like literally I tried working

1011
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 5: in one and it was literally like I felt like

1012
00:51:58,920 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 5: I was being pimped out.

1013
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a conversation with actually my homegirl. She

1014
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: was on the show and she talked about working in

1015
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: the brothel and I was like, wow.

1016
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 4: And their girls that like it, so please don't come

1017
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 4: for me.

1018
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, because these.

1019
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 5: Girls who are like I'm legal, I'm legal. Somehow they

1020
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 5: think that they're better than us at aren't legal. And

1021
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 5: I'm like, sweetie, if I want to leave to go

1022
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 5: get my own food, I can. You can't leave the

1023
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 5: premises without an escort, right, Like that feels like fucking

1024
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 5: it feels like sexual prison. Yeah, because like because the

1025
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 5: law in the area feels like if they leave the brothel,

1026
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 5: they're gonna go out trying to find John's.

1027
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 4: On the street.

1028
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 5: Right, who the fuck is paying money to stay at

1029
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 5: the brothel? Because you do have to pay your room

1030
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 5: rate every day, paying money to stay at the brothels,

1031
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 5: so they couldn't go walk the street to find.

1032
00:52:53,040 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 3: What right, you're literally putting yourself in danger or to

1033
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: go find clients when you could be at the in

1034
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: the safety of the brothel.

1035
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: Like that makes a fun friend.

1036
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 5: It's all just a way to keep women from being

1037
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 5: able to thrive because at the end of the day,

1038
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 5: society wants women to just be available.

1039
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 4: For men to use our bodies whichever way they want.

1040
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 4: And I'm like, fuck you, you have to pay me to

1041
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 4: even talk to me. Don't talk to me if you're

1042
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 4: not gonna pay me.

1043
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: But see, I think that's a great I think that's

1044
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 2: a great point and I think that's the reason why

1045
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: I feel like because I feel like sex work is

1046
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: still taboo, and I feel like it shouldn't be. I

1047
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: feel like it is right, and I feel like we

1048
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: need more conversations and not just because of like how

1049
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: to make money and do all these other things, but

1050
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 2: conversations like these so that people can know, like yo,

1051
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: this is your body, like do this, do that, but

1052
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: don't you know what I'm saying just to make people

1053
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: feel safe, because I do feel like a lot of

1054
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 2: people are in this industry, but I feel like they

1055
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: could have went about it in different ways if somebody

1056
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: would put them on game. Because even though we have.

1057
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 4: To be honest, there's so much of it out there.

1058
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 5: Though there's so like we have created so many resources

1059
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 5: to help each other.

1060
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 2: It's out there.

1061
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 5: I promise, Like I mean to the new girls, reach

1062
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 5: out to some of us, some of the OG's on Twitter,

1063
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 5: like like we are happy to help you, Like we

1064
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 5: might not be able to like do one on one

1065
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 5: with you, but we can point you in the direction

1066
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 5: like here you could buy this book, babe. You know,

1067
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 5: follow these people on Twitter, like follow the follow these

1068
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 5: people on Twitter and you can learn so much like

1069
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 5: the information is already out there.

1070
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 4: You don't even have to pay to have a mentor.

1071
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 5: If some of these girls puts me the fuck off

1072
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 5: because they're charging thousands of dollars for mentorship and they're

1073
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 5: really they're not helping you. They're just they're just like, oh,

1074
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 5: make sure you have a Chanel bag, make sure you

1075
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 5: just like this, make sure you go to brunch and

1076
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 5: take brunch photos.

1077
00:54:58,640 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: It's like I followed that.

1078
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 4: And it was so wrong for me. Do I love

1079
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 4: a good brunch, yes, but that's.

1080
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: Not my white girl told right, well, of course, but

1081
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 2: there you go. I remember that white.

1082
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 4: Girls told me that for sure.

1083
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: But it's just but it's but.

1084
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 5: I you know, I listen to metal music. It is

1085
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 5: not a secret huge metal fan. And like I was

1086
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 5: afraid to talk about that because I was like black

1087
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 5: woman metal, Like nobody's gonna like me, and all my

1088
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 5: clients are like so intrigued. I mean, I either have

1089
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 5: the clients that listen to the same music that I do.

1090
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 5: We go to concerts together, we go to festivals together.

1091
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 5: Like when I tell people, like sometimes when I tell

1092
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 5: my mom, like you know, oh, I got booked for

1093
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 5: like this two or three day date, and this is

1094
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 5: what we're going to do. She's still like, I can't

1095
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 5: believe people pay you for that, And I'm like, why not.

1096
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 5: She's like, it's just I just you know, it's not

1097
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 5: what I think of when I think of an escort.

1098
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like escort has evolved so much

1099
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 2: that it has It really has overall has evolved so much,

1100
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: so the good and the bad. Yeah that part. Yeah.

1101
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: Now as far as personal growth with insights have you

1102
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: gained through your experiences.

1103
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 5: Like my experiences like as a sex worker, Yeah, I

1104
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 5: mean I think I said it before and I will

1105
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 5: say it again.

1106
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 4: My fucking boundaries, Yeah, holy boundaries.

1107
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 5: Like I'm telling you it is like, you know, just

1108
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 5: growing up as a black woman in the South, that

1109
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 5: I grew up religious, like there was no such thing

1110
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 5: as boundaries, Like it was everything that I used to

1111
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 5: I was a pick me ass bitch, Like I grew

1112
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 5: up a pick me because everything that I was taught

1113
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 5: was like everything I needed to do was for like

1114
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 5: some future man. So man that I don't even know exists,

1115
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 5: he doesn't know me, I don't know him. I don't

1116
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 5: even know if I'm gonna like this man, what if

1117
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 5: I don't like him, But I'm shaping my whole entire

1118
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 5: life for this future man. For him to just overstep

1119
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 5: my boundaries. I'm not supposed to have boundaries when it

1120
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 5: comes to a husband. You're not supposed to have boundaries, right,

1121
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 5: What are we taught?

1122
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 4: And as a Christian?

1123
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: What are we taught?

1124
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 5: We have to please our man, We have to do

1125
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,479
Speaker 5: all of these things to make sure that our man

1126
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 5: is happy. But no, they never tell men what they

1127
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 5: need to do to make sure a woman is fulfilled

1128
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 5: and happy. And one thing that I learned from this

1129
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 5: business is that we both can be happy, right, We

1130
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 5: can spost be happy. Why does that have to be

1131
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 5: one person being happy? We both can be happy and

1132
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 5: live a great life, right, And Like, that's one of

1133
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 5: the things I learned was boundaries. Like, I mean, it's

1134
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 5: hard to be dating out here because I don't. I

1135
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 5: don't date because I'm like, oh I just can't.

1136
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: I just can't. Do you get Are you lonely?

1137
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 4: No, I'm too gussy to be lonely?

1138
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: But do you ever feel like that? Don't get me wrong.

1139
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 5: They're like times and like, Okay, if I'm like out

1140
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 5: on the road by myself, I'm like on week two

1141
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 5: and a half, three weeks on the road, am I

1142
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 5: gonna lie like, Oh, I'm not lonely, of course, And

1143
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 5: I'm not saying lonely isn't like a man, right, Just

1144
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 5: like I'm by myself.

1145
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 4: I've been by myself.

1146
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 5: I have no friends with me, Like, I'm just keeping

1147
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 5: in touch with people on Instagram and I talk to

1148
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 5: you know, my family on the phone, but I have

1149
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 5: nobody to like share certain moments with. Do I get lonely, yes,

1150
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 5: But the feeling of loneliness is just so temporary for me.

1151
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fact.

1152
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 4: It's a very temporary feeling because.

1153
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: It comes and goes for me.

1154
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like because what do I, like, all I have

1155
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 5: to do is go do something? Like Usually my points

1156
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 5: of loneliness are like when I'm like super like meditated, right,

1157
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 5: Like if I've gone on a hype and I'm just

1158
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 5: like in the middle of nature, I'm by myself, and

1159
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, and I'll be honest, most of the time,

1160
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 5: I'm thinking about my mom anyway, and I'm just like

1161
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, like my mom would love this view,

1162
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 5: and then I'd be like, oh, I miss my I

1163
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 5: miss my mom, right, yeah, fucking thinking about a man,

1164
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 5: because everybody thinks like loneliness means man. No, and I'm like, no,

1165
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 5: I can be lonely just like because I'm by myself. Yeah,

1166
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,959
Speaker 5: sometimes I go to festivals by myself because my friend

1167
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 5: isn't available.

1168
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll feel lonely at.

1169
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 5: The festival and I'm fucking crawd of like fifty thousand people.

1170
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 5: I'd be like, oh, it would be great if she

1171
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 5: was here with me, right, And then the next song

1172
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 5: comes on that I'm like, and I'm like, uh, they're

1173
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 5: just I'm no longer lonely.

1174
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: You know, that's so funny you said that, because I

1175
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: do a lot of shit by myself, and sometimes I

1176
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 2: feel it like I sometimes I'd be like, damn, I

1177
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: wish I asked my with me, or I wish my

1178
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: homegirl was And then I was like fuck it, Like

1179
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: I'm friendly. I just make some friends, and I make

1180
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: a friend and then just enjoy the rest of my night.

1181
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 5: Yes, it's like as soon as you make friends, like

1182
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 5: everything is okay. Yeah, right, I I meet people like

1183
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 5: do I call these Do I call these people my friends?

1184
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 2: Of course not?

1185
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 5: But like if I go to another show in a city.

1186
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 5: Like I've made friends like or you know, acquaintances all

1187
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 5: over the US. Right, So if I go, if I

1188
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 5: go to a show, all I have to do is

1189
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 5: just like reach out to people and be like, hey,

1190
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 5: is anybody in the area, And then I'm like I'll.

1191
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 2: Meet up with people.

1192
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 5: Like it's a lot of people just like they just

1193
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 5: they think that you need like companionship is in form

1194
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 5: of like a romantic partner, right, and like you don't

1195
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 5: always have to have a romantic partner to not be alone.

1196
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree.

1197
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 4: I'm sad for people who feel that way though.

1198
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, like you said earlier, it's a journey.

1199
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 5: I think that we are, yes, And I hope that

1200
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 5: people and you know, I tell people all the time

1201
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 5: that when they just focus on themselves and get to

1202
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 5: a point where even if they don't feel like they

1203
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 5: need healing, right, I feel like we all have some

1204
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 5: inner healing to dotely, and you just focus on ourselves

1205
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 5: and we get to a point where we're so happy

1206
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 5: with ourselves and we're content with being by ourselves. Like

1207
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 5: I know people who cannot be alone. Yeah, they won't

1208
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 5: go out and get a meal by themselves.

1209
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 2: They won't go to the movies by themselves.

1210
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 7: I like myself, but they're like you travel by yourself,

1211
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 7: like yeah, to Australia by yourself, and I'm like yeah.

1212
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Like I can't even go to dinner

1213
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 4: by myself and I'm like why.

1214
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 5: Like I love me, Yeah, I am. I am my

1215
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 5: favorite company. I'm hilarious. I make myself laugh. Fact like

1216
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 5: I'm hilarious, like I do stupid ship all the time,

1217
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 5: you know, and like I'm hilarious.

1218
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 2: Right right, No, same, I really enjoy my company, like

1219
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 2: I can have a great ass time by myself, like

1220
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 2: a concert by myself and I had a ball, Like.

1221
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 4: Oh I was it. I don't listen to Beyonce, but

1222
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 4: I hear her concerts are.

1223
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 2: Little I've seen Beyonce like, and I know my listener

1224
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: is like girl, like you don't have to brag, but

1225
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: I've seen her almost like seven eight times. Girl. Yeah,

1226
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: Like I am a Beehive member, like I love Beyonce.

1227
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: But this concert was hands down the absolute best. And

1228
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for it to die down with the movie

1229
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: so I can really just see it and just be

1230
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 2: like engulfing it, like because you know when you see

1231
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: things actually thinking of seeing the movie. You should, you should?

1232
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: I'm not.

1233
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 5: I'm not a Beyonce fan, not because I hate Beyonce.

1234
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 5: It's just not the solid music. I listened to it, Yeah,

1235
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 5: but I've heard like it's such a good like movie.

1236
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 5: Yeah how it features like her kids and stuff, and

1237
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 5: I'm always like, oh, yeah, that's cool.

1238
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 2: And I think with you being like a creative, you

1239
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: being an entrepreneur and stuff like, I really think that

1240
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna enjoy it because I think a lot of

1241
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 2: people who are not Beyonce fans gained a level of

1242
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: respect for her because of Renaissance.

1243
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 5: Okay, so this is the Renaissance tour. Hasn't she been

1244
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 5: like on the Renaissance Tour for like five years? Girl?

1245
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: It feels like it's like she ain't letting up.

1246
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 5: Listen, my sister is a Beyonce fan, so I have

1247
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 5: to hear about this ship all the time.

1248
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 4: Hasn't been like fucking five years now.

1249
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 2: Now, I ain't gonna hold you Beyonce milk and is

1250
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: renaissance ship. I'm not even mad at her. Beyonce not

1251
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 2: playing no games with this ship, but it's fire. It

1252
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: is like I would say, hands down, this is the

1253
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: best one of her best tours. Top three for me? Wow,

1254
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 2: maybe maybe number one. I can't even hold you.

1255
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 5: See, I would check it out because I just like,

1256
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 5: I like being in the atmosphere where, you know, just

1257
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 5: the energy of like the crowds everything.

1258
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1259
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 5: God, been a good time. But I am not paying

1260
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 5: those prices for that.

1261
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 4: Nope, No, it's it.

1262
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: Points for my favorite bands. It's worth it is, I

1263
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: promise you. But last, but not least, how has your

1264
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 2: identity or your self perception evolved during your time in

1265
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: this industry?

1266
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 4: Oh that's a loaded question.

1267
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 3: I know.

1268
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: That's why I say it for the last That is.

1269
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 4: A loaded question. Uh, my self perception?

1270
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely seen you. You have grown from the last

1271
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 2: time we spoke.

1272
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 5: But you'll let me tell you I am now a

1273
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 5: yoga instructor. I oh wow, it so the last time

1274
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 5: I talked to you, I got my two hundred hour.

1275
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 4: I'm going to be working on my five hundred hours.

1276
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: Yes, got shit.

1277
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 5: So like when I say I'm exhausted, this is why

1278
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 5: because I'm like fucking studying yoga and ship and meditation

1279
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 5: and everything. But you know, I think I just seen

1280
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 5: myself different, Like I like I'm always evolving. I thought

1281
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 5: I was one person, and I'm like, no, you're like

1282
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 5: all of like I don't I mean, don't get me wrong,

1283
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 5: Like I don't want anybody think that I'm saying, like

1284
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 5: I have multiple personality disorder.

1285
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 4: I do not, but I have I have, Like.

1286
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 5: I'm so multifaceted, right, there's so many layers of me,

1287
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 5: Like every person I meet, they're just like, oh, I

1288
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 5: would have never thought that of you. And I used

1289
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 5: to like, well why not, right? I used to wonder, like, well,

1290
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 5: what exactly do people think of me? And I'm like, well,

1291
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 5: that's because I'm a different person depending on my environment.

1292
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 4: And I'm okay with that now. I used to like try.

1293
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 5: To put myself in a box, and now I'm like

1294
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 5: I don't need to be in a box, Like I

1295
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 5: can do everything I want, Like I don't need to

1296
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 5: be one person. As long as I'm a good person,

1297
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 5: that's all that matters. So I've been you know, just

1298
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 5: really just just focusing on what makes me happy. Like

1299
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 5: that's the only thing I care about, is what makes

1300
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 5: me happy, right, Like that's it. If it doesn't make

1301
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 5: me happy, I don't want to do it.

1302
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 4: Like when I say, get somebody else to do it.

1303
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 5: I really mean it, you have to get somebody else

1304
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 5: to do it because I don't want to do it right.

1305
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: And I think that's also comes with just age, Like

1306
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 2: once you get to a certain age, like and you

1307
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 2: get comfortable with yourself, it's nothing you can make me

1308
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Speaker 2: do if I don't want to do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I used to think that. I used to

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Speaker 4: care a lot more about what people thought of me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I don't now, Like when I say I don't,

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Speaker 5: I really mean I don't.

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Speaker 4: Like somebody asked me. You know, your persona is so public.

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Speaker 5: Like you been in a magazine, You've you know, you've

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Speaker 5: done these interviews on like vanilla podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Right, they're like, you know, when you do retire.

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Speaker 5: And your personal brand takes off, what happens if somebody

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Speaker 5: finds out that you were an escort? And I go, okay,

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Speaker 5: what if they do find out? And they're like, well,

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Speaker 5: aren't you afraid? I'm like afraid of what are they

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Speaker 5: what they're gonna judge me?

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Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck, And like.

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Speaker 5: Because I did what was best for me, I did

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Speaker 5: what was best for my survival, my mental my mental health,

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Speaker 5: like my mental health has never been better than when

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Speaker 5: I than me being in this industry, which a lot

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Speaker 5: of people feel would make my mental health worse. And

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Speaker 5: I'm like no, because I really like this has allowed

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Speaker 5: me the time, the freedom and financial freedom to really

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Speaker 5: like just know who I am, what I want in

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Speaker 5: my life, and what I don't want in my life.

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Speaker 5: That's the most important thing, is like I can really

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Speaker 5: tell you I know myself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody can tell me who I am. Facts, facts. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you, sus I'm so happy that

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Speaker 2: we reconnected. I feel like this was a great conversation.

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Speaker 2: Like I told you off the air, I feel like

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Speaker 2: the first conversation we dive more into like you being

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Speaker 2: in the industry and you're giving your opinions on things.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like this conversation we definitely dive more

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Speaker 2: into you. So I appreciate you, you know.

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Speaker 5: I think that, you know, the first time we interviewed,

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Speaker 5: I was halfway through yeah, you know, my time, and

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Speaker 5: so I felt like things are just getting good. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: but now like starting to slow down and uh yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'm like working on phasing out of the industry.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's.

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Speaker 5: Why I think a lot of people are starting to

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Speaker 5: see more of me. Yeah, as I'm starting to transition out.

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Speaker 5: It's not going to be like in the next couple

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Speaker 5: months people calm down, but when I But I am

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Speaker 5: working toward that way just because like I'm ready for

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Speaker 5: something new, I'm ready to read, I'm ready to reinvent

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Speaker 5: myself again.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the bitch still is good.

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Speaker 5: Okay, thank you, thank you.

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