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Speaker 1: and we'll talk some more about some other things that

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Speaker 1: what leads up to what you're going to do in

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Speaker 1: the draft. We'll get to all those things, all right,

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Speaker 1: So let's let's let's start this thing off right. Let's

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Speaker 1: start this thing off as we always do. How you doing, pleu.

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Speaker 1: We don't have TJ today, but we do have stretch

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Speaker 1: of armstrong with how you doing today, sir man.

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Speaker 4: Everything is great. Man, it's a little rainy, little colder

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Speaker 4: up here on the East coast. But man, you know what,

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Speaker 4: TJ is not here with us today, and he is

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Speaker 4: he is servicing some young great men who are about

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Speaker 4: to take the next step. He's out the combat, chasing

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Speaker 4: and following their dreams. And that's right and mentoring and uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, giving these young men some valuable information that

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Speaker 4: they will forever be able to take with them throughout

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Speaker 4: their NFL career.

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Speaker 1: That is correct.

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Speaker 4: And in life, I've had the opportunity to attend the

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Speaker 4: Combine and it's amazing and a rookie symposium and.

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Speaker 1: How was it? How was that for you? Like? What

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Speaker 1: what was that like? As not as a well you

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Speaker 1: know what tell me as a player? And then how

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Speaker 1: does it compare as now as an adult? Like that?

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Speaker 1: It does? It hit different?

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Speaker 4: It does, man, because you know, like me, you and

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Speaker 4: you know, we had out some pillosum at. It was

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Speaker 4: just sitting as a twenty one year old kid, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, we had expectations of you know, you drafted

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Speaker 4: it to me, drafted at you know a Peter Wark

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Speaker 4: And you trends, you know, you put that in your

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Speaker 4: and you try to, you know, take it all in

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Speaker 1: Be saying we made it on on half day though

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, Plex because in the midst

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Speaker 1: And well he was asked about it plex and giving

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Speaker 5: Caleb, are you afraid to compete? Are you afraid to compete?

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Speaker 5: How do you respond to people say that you're worried

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Speaker 4: You know, he's not the athlete that we thought he was.

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Speaker 4: he is the best college quarterback going into this draft.

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Speaker 4: And you know it, and I know it from a

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Speaker 4: And he wasn't you going into the league though, he

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Speaker 4: To the league, right, So I chose to fight for myself.

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Speaker 4: I said, you know, I'm gonna go out here, man

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Speaker 4: Crazy it was, you know, going for me to the combine.

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Speaker 4: And you look back at Kaylet Williams, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I was told I was told not to participate. I

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Speaker 4: I wasn't scheduling to compute rightfully. So you was gonna

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Speaker 1: I wanted. I want. But here's the thing, I wanted

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Speaker 1: But it did give I will say this twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: Lacker did the workout, and everybody I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like, man, I should have competed. You know,

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Speaker 1: either crazy or I was thinking that the other day.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it is you may do, but now people know

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Speaker 1: the name Tyler Owens.

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Speaker 8: Even if he believes that it's what you said, it's

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Speaker 8: let me look this Tyler Owens up and see what

439
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Speaker 8: he's about. Did he purposely do it? Who knows? But

440
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Speaker 8: as you guys know, the combine has changed so much

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Speaker 8: from when we were playing, and it's such a long

442
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Speaker 8: week for the players. It's a long week, man, It's

443
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Speaker 8: early mornings and late nights, and about time you get

444
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Speaker 8: to these interviews, you're like, man, I'm ready to get

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Speaker 8: on the field and compete. And so it could be

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Speaker 8: one of those things. Also, that week is long, the meetings,

447
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Speaker 8: the physicals, doing all the medical things, and so they're

448
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Speaker 8: ready to get on the field. So it could have

449
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Speaker 8: been that. But maybe he has a master plan. Who knows,

450
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Speaker 8: Maybe he's a var Arrington reincarnated.

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Speaker 1: Who knows. I don't know about that. He may be

452
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Speaker 1: better than me.

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Speaker 4: But look at the numbers that Look at the numbers

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Speaker 4: that this guy's putting up. And then he goes on

455
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Speaker 4: the microphone and tells the world that he doesn't believe

456
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Speaker 4: in out of space.

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Speaker 1: No, maybe this guy is from out of space.

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Speaker 4: Look at the numbers that he's putting up and everything

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Speaker 4: that he's doing and competing.

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Speaker 1: Man, it's just.

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Speaker 4: Unbelievable that the athleticism of how it has changed over

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Speaker 4: the last you know, twenty twenty five years, and what

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Speaker 4: these kids able to do.

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Speaker 8: Man, this is where this is where we're at. The

465
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Speaker 8: athletes are bigger, they're stronger or faster. Now the key

466
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Speaker 8: is are they more skilled? Can they get on the

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Speaker 8: field and play to the metrics and the numbers and

468
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Speaker 8: athleticism that their bodies are showing and testing if you

469
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Speaker 8: can do that? And this is why the game of

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Speaker 8: football is the best game in the world, because when

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Speaker 8: you have that type of athleticism and you get to

472
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Speaker 8: run into another man and really just try to make

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Speaker 8: him give up and quit, it's a test of will

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Speaker 8: more so than it's a test of skill, because we

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Speaker 8: are all skilled. But at Valentine in your chest, you

476
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Speaker 8: can't measure.

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Speaker 1: That, can't measure that. You know, Owens is a transfer

478
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Speaker 1: portal product. He was a longhorn. He ends up leaving

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Speaker 1: and goes to Texas Tech. You know, I'm curious you're

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Speaker 1: on the ground, TJ. Is that a conversation that's taking

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Speaker 1: place amongst the peers that are decision makers transfer portal players.

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Speaker 1: Are they looked at? Are they viewed the same way? Like?

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Speaker 1: How is that? Is that a conversation of any that's

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Speaker 1: there right now, like oh, this guy's a transfer or

485
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Speaker 1: this guy stayed at the same school, And it almost

486
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Speaker 1: seems like it might be a badge of honor if

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Speaker 1: a guy actually started and finished at the same school

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Speaker 1: during his college tenure.

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Speaker 8: That's a great question, LeVar, And I've actually spoken to

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Speaker 8: a handful of general managers now that I'm thinking about it,

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Speaker 8: and I'm going to speak with one here in about

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Speaker 8: forty five minutes as I'm walking to the field with him,

493
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Speaker 8: and I'm going to ask him that question. That's a

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Speaker 8: great question I would like to know is what's the

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Speaker 8: thought process in going to Okay? I like this kid,

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Speaker 8: but why did he leave Texas and go to Texas Tech?

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Speaker 8: Or why did he leave school A to go to

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Speaker 8: school B? Was it opportunity?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 8: What's the reason? How do you guys evaluate h how

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Speaker 8: That's a great, great question.

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Speaker 4: You know what, I don't really think it hurts the player,

503
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Speaker 4: the trans for a portal for some guys, they don't

504
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Speaker 4: have the success that some guys have, And I think that,

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Speaker 4: you know, kind of hurts him because everybody wants to

506
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Speaker 4: go into college football and you know, make this big splash,

507
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Speaker 4: and they want to be this, they want to be that,

508
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Speaker 4: and the parents are getting involved with decisions making little

509
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Speaker 4: kids and one guy just jumps out of my mind

510
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Speaker 4: will evolve. When he asked that question, and it's Kenneth Walker,

511
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Speaker 4: nobody would have known who Kenneth Walker was. And he

512
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Speaker 4: continued to sit on the bench behind a guy at

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Speaker 4: Georgia Tech. And then he comes to Michigan State. He

514
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Speaker 4: runs for fourteen fifteen hundred yards and now this kid,

515
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Speaker 4: you know, you know, he elevates himself to a position

516
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Speaker 4: to where you know, he was a first round pick

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Speaker 4: and now he's averaging like five yards of carriage playing

518
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Speaker 4: running back for the Seattle Seahawks. So I don't think

519
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Speaker 4: that it hurt him, don't. I don't think that everybody's

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Speaker 4: being advised and given the correct information of the decision

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Speaker 4: that they're made.

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Speaker 8: Y'all know, I love portal.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 8: If a coach can get up and go, why can't

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Speaker 8: the player?

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Speaker 1: I loved it all right, Caleb Williams got up and went.

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Speaker 1: So he's a transferred portal product as well. Listen, I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't look at it necessarily as a negative.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it in terms of what what In

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Speaker 1: terms of a negative, I'm saying, is it a discussion,

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Speaker 1: because you know there could be there, there could be

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Speaker 1: a way of looking at you know, there's there's things

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Speaker 1: to address in that, you know, like why did you leave?

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Speaker 1: You know, are you able to handle adversity or you

535
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Speaker 1: know what there's there's different there's different factors connected to

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Speaker 1: each one of these young men that enter into the portal,

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Speaker 1: And I just wonder if that's something that was being

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Speaker 1: discussed on the ground in terms of how they're they're

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Speaker 1: evaluating the talent.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's at the end of the day, if you

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Speaker 8: can play football and you're a good person and you

542
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Speaker 8: treat people the way you want to be treated, I

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Speaker 8: don't see a problem with any player doing that. Speaking

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Speaker 8: to Caleb Williams and man, I had never I met him,

545
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Speaker 8: been around him, but I spent a lot of time

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Speaker 8: with him. Man, I'm impressed with him as a person,

547
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Speaker 8: man Like I didn't know how he was and spent

548
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Speaker 8: a lot of time with him yesterday talking to him.

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Speaker 8: I mean a lot of time. And kid got a

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Speaker 8: good head on his shoulders. Man looking looking forward to

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Speaker 8: the challenge of going to Chicago and seeing if he

552
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Speaker 8: can turn that franchise around. But my conversation with him,

553
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Speaker 8: and it was a long one, I walked away and

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Speaker 8: pressed m all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's TJ. Huchmanzada. He is in Indianapolis at the

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Speaker 1: Combine right now, Bro, we appreciate you taking some time

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Speaker 1: to give us a you know, what's going on there

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Speaker 1: and what you got going on. So you're going to

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Speaker 1: head over there now. I'm about to see the.

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Speaker 8: Receivers because it is cold, and I'm about Lucas right now.

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Speaker 4: Baby, you don't miss the millwest huh.

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Speaker 8: Oh no.

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Speaker 1: Hey.

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Speaker 8: When I got here, I was like, man, this is

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Speaker 8: great weather. It's about seventy degrees. And then the next

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Speaker 8: day twenty five I said, oh lord, oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Man, well stay warm out there. Man. We appreciate you

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Speaker 1: dialing in safe travels till you get back.

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Speaker 8: All right, my god, all right for you?

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Speaker 1: side of the break, we're gonna talk Heisman Trophy. But first,

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Speaker 1: before we go to the break, let's let's uh, let's

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Speaker 1: get an update from our guy, Isaac Lohenkron.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, LeVar. NFL Media reported today that ere time

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Speaker 7: Pro Bowl left tackle Tyron Smith is unlikely to return

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Speaker 7: to the Dallas Cowboys. Smith, an unrestricted free agent, has

583
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Speaker 7: been a Cowboy for all thirteen seasons of his career.

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Speaker 7: ESPN reported that the San Francisco forty nine ers are

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Speaker 7: promoting defensive passing game specialist Nick Sorensen to be their

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Speaker 7: new defensive coordinator, and are also hiring former Los Angeles

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Speaker 7: Chargers head coach Brandon Staley as assistant head coach. In

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Speaker 7: Major League Baseball, The New York Post reports that infielder

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Speaker 7: Matt Chapman has agreed to a three year, fifty four

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Speaker 7: million dollar deal with the San Francisco Giants in the NBA.

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Speaker 7: Toronto Scottie Barnes broke his left hand and a lost

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Speaker 7: to Golden State on Friday night and will be out indefinitely.

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Speaker 7: Los Angeles Clippers guard Russell Westbrook broke his left hand

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Speaker 7: in a win over Washington Friday night and will also

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Speaker 7: be out indefinitely LeVar back to you appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Isaac Glowing Cron has a great update there. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: we'll take a quick break on the other side, I

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Speaker 1: just want to finish this conversation. I want to get

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Speaker 1: your opinion on not going to the ceremony until they

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Speaker 1: give it back to Reggie Bush. Is that a good

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Speaker 1: decision or not? Does it make sense to you or not?

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Speaker 1: Plex we'll get that on the other side of the break.

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Speaker 1: This is up on Games Fox Sports Radio. We'll be

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Speaker 1: right back. All right, welcome back into the show. It's

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Speaker 1: It's Plexico Burst, It's me LeVar Arrington TJ is in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: plex I mentioned the whole Johnny, we listened to Ilow

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Speaker 1: talk about it. Here's my take on it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get my take on it. I wonder if Johnny Manzel

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Speaker 1: is doing this and saying this and making this plea

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Speaker 1: with the idea and the understanding that the things that

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Speaker 1: he's admitting in his interview circuit or his rounds that

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Speaker 1: he's making and even the documentary deal that he did

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Speaker 1: the mini series, the little docu series he was a

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Speaker 1: part of, he details it so well, and it's so

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Speaker 1: incriminating in terms of damning to his career based upon

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Speaker 1: the things that he's he's done and during his his

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Speaker 1: amateur status career at Texas A and m Plex. And

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Speaker 1: I just wonder. I mean, you're saying, give Reggie Bush

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Speaker 1: his heisman back for things that you know they took

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Speaker 1: it away from him because of unfair benefits or whatever

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Speaker 1: benefits to his mother that that you know, broke the

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Speaker 1: rules and so they took his heisman. But God live

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Speaker 1: if you if you measuring wrong by wrong, you know

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Speaker 1: wrong is wrong. But Johnny Magel did a whole lot

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Speaker 1: more wrong than most players at the college level. Is

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Speaker 1: he is he making sure he doesn't get his highsman?

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Speaker 1: Maybe he needs to make sure he doesn't get his

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Speaker 1: he's been taken away from him.

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Speaker 4: Hey man, we're talking about a guy who could not

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Speaker 4: run the police. Man, what are we talking about it?

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Speaker 4: Let's just start doing what your band? But what are

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Speaker 4: you boycotting the like? Don't you need to be This

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Speaker 4: is a slippery ass right now. It's a it's an

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Speaker 4: attention gravel and you know we're talking about it, and

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Speaker 4: you know what, you know, I respect Johnny manziel stance

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Speaker 4: on what he believes in, which you know, for Reggie Bush,

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Speaker 4: his his Hesman Trophy should be reinstated. We all agree

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Speaker 4: with that because if you look at what's going on

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Speaker 4: today in today's game in the NL and what these

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Speaker 4: kids are able to do. Reggie Bush to college football,

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Speaker 4: I would say he was the equivalent to what Rocket

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Speaker 4: Ismael was at.

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Speaker 1: People don't remember that though.

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Speaker 4: I mean, hey, when Rocket was on TV and you was,

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Speaker 4: you was in front of a television because you wanted

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Speaker 4: to see Rocket Ishmael.

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Speaker 1: Player run a kickback or something.

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Speaker 4: And he was as a bigger college football player, Reggie

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Speaker 4: Bush as Rocket was at Notre Dame. And you know,

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Speaker 4: everybody knows the story he got his heisman taking away,

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Speaker 4: but you know, for Johnny Mizela to come out and

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Speaker 4: stand up for him, I applaud that, but at the

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Speaker 4: same token, correct me if I'm wrong. I believe that

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Speaker 4: the NC double A and the Heisman Trophy are too

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Speaker 4: separate entity. They are they are, so it's gonna take

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Speaker 4: more of a guide than Johnny Manzel for the Heisman

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Speaker 4: Trophy to listen and to understand that. You know, Reggie

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Speaker 4: needs his his Hesbit trople reinstated. I believe he filed

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Speaker 4: on a pill back in twenty twenty one. But you

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Speaker 4: you know, I want to see the likes of the

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Speaker 4: bo Jacksons and you know, and Barry Sanders and Charles

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Speaker 4: Woodson and Eddie George come out to those guys, stand

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Speaker 4: up for Reggie Bush and make a plea for them

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Speaker 4: to do right, which is to reinstate his Heisman Trophy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the National Football Foundation put him in the

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Speaker 1: College Football Hall of Fame, right. I feel like if

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Speaker 1: the Football Foundation could could come to grips in terms

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Speaker 1: with what took place and still award him for his

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Speaker 1: college awards and accolades, because it is your awards and

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Speaker 1: accolades that lead to you get it in and why

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Speaker 1: wouldn't the heisman re rethink that, Like, I don't understand that.

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Speaker 1: I find it to be interesting. Listen, I know the

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Speaker 1: rules are the rules. You're not supposed to break the rules.

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Speaker 1: I get all that. Plex But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: some time has passed and the malicious intent that people

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Speaker 1: may try to connect to you know what took place

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Speaker 1: in terms of, well, he knew what he was doing,

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Speaker 1: his family knew what they were doing. That woman needed

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Speaker 1: a job, she was in need, she got a job. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the benefits were unnecessary and came due to recruitment whatever

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Speaker 1: woot woo like in the end, in the end, that

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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with what Reggie Bush did on

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Speaker 1: that football field. I know rules are rules, don't break

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Speaker 1: the rules and all that, and he broke the rules

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Speaker 1: while the rules were in play and got caught. That's

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Speaker 1: probably the worst thing that could ever happen in terms

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Speaker 1: of what took place with him. But I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: I think you're onto something. I think the rest I

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Speaker 1: think my Manzel is actually onto something. I think they

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Speaker 1: got to stand up and stand in there if they

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Speaker 1: really really believe that he should get it and get

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Speaker 1: that grace and reprieve that the bigger names should stand

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Speaker 1: in there and say, you know, we're not acknowledging until

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Speaker 1: you give it back to him.

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Speaker 4: If those guys take a stance for Reggie Bush, I

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Speaker 4: believe that the Hihusband Trophy would do the right thing

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Speaker 4: and giving him what he deserves because it just like

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Speaker 4: you just said, nothing that he did on that football

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Speaker 4: field can be forgotten, right. It was legendary, it was history,

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Speaker 4: and he deserves to have his trophy back.

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Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you there. I know people will

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Speaker 1: have different different opinions of it, but we'll see how

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Speaker 1: that all plays. I would be interesting to see if

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Speaker 1: it catches any steam. This is up on game Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio Hour two. Coming at you next