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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? Job Middle Coop ran Out

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Speaker 1: podcast brought to you by my guy Colin Coward and

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Speaker 1: his podcast network back again Thursday. You know we got Actually,

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Speaker 1: I think the Denver Broncos Arizona Cardinals reported for camp

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Speaker 1: today or maybe yesterday, and they started practicing today. I

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Speaker 1: know a bunch of other teams report next week. I

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Speaker 1: thinking about ten days. The majority of teams should be

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Speaker 1: in pads. That's that to me, Sparks. The beginning of

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Speaker 1: training camp is when do you put on pads? I

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Speaker 1: know for me, the forty niners should be in pads

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Speaker 1: by like the twenty ninth, So I'm basically ten days

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Speaker 1: away from that. H That's the way I look at it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited. We all should be excited. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people keep asking me, are we're gonna do a

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Speaker 1: three and out fantasy football league. I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 1: dive and look a little more into that. But I

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Speaker 1: know you guys, a lot of you guys play fantasy.

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Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to playing fantasy. I'm more of a

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Speaker 1: daily fantasy guy because of the effort and energy it

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Speaker 1: takes for the entire season. But if the people want it,

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Speaker 1: the people get what they want a good show. Today

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Speaker 1: we got Zeke Elliott. I know Colin went off about

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Speaker 1: it the other day. I have some thoughts on that.

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. A long article was written about him and

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Speaker 1: in ESPN, and I think we need to be kind

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Speaker 1: of careful the way we, you know, categorize some of

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Speaker 1: the younger players. Uh. There was a coaching list that

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Speaker 1: came out and Kyle Shanahan became pretty polarizing, uh, in

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Speaker 1: terms of he was way down on the list somehow,

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Speaker 1: John Gruden was way above him. And I know Colin

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Speaker 1: basically compared to Belichick, and I I just have some

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Speaker 1: thoughts on coaching lists in general. Like to me, it's

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Speaker 1: much easier to do a player list than a coaching

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Speaker 1: list because they're not all on the same cycle. We'll

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Speaker 1: dive into that. And then I saw Vic Fangio had

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Speaker 1: some had some great quotes about the importance of training camp,

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Speaker 1: the importance of the interaction with your fans. And I

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Speaker 1: know I'm lucky enough in the Bay Area back when

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Speaker 1: I was allowed to go to Raiders training camp. They

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Speaker 1: do a good job in NAPA allowing fans. The Niners

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Speaker 1: have done have changed the last couple of years allow

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Speaker 1: fans in there. And when when I was in Philly, Uh,

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Speaker 1: go where C. J. McCollum, the Blazers, you know start

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Speaker 1: shooting guard went to college. We we would go away

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Speaker 1: for three weeks and it was awesome and I do

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Speaker 1: think it served a purpose. And n saw firsthand it

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Speaker 1: used to be ten thousand people showing up to practice.

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Speaker 1: The interaction with your players and the fans, to me,

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Speaker 1: is is something. The more money you make in the

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Speaker 1: NFL has never made more money, you know, you lose

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Speaker 1: touch with that type stuff, and that to me, the

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Speaker 1: grassroom stuff always does matter. And then obviously the Middlecoff

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Speaker 1: mail bag do it every week, banged out a bunch

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Speaker 1: of guys questions earlier in the week, and then I've

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Speaker 1: reached out to a bunch of you guys on direct Message.

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Speaker 1: You can always slide up in my d M s

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Speaker 1: at John Middlecoff is my Instagram handle. D was wide open.

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Speaker 1: Asked me any question you want football we're just about

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Speaker 1: life or anything, uh, and just hit me up and

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Speaker 1: Zeke and big story I might have been Monday that

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Speaker 1: he's thinking about holding out, and my job will set

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Speaker 1: the floor. And it made me think when I was younger,

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Speaker 1: was not an easy kid to race. I used to

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Speaker 1: But I was also good. I got good grades, played sports,

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Speaker 1: so you know, there's a balance to me. But I

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Speaker 1: used to push my parents buttons. Uh, one day, karma

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Speaker 1: will get me bad whenever I have children, My unborn

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Speaker 1: children will probably not be easy to raise. But I

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Speaker 1: tied in with the agent because he's he's known different

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Speaker 1: thing about Zeke and different stuff with the Cowboys over

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Speaker 1: the years, and he thinks that they're at an impass

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Speaker 1: right now and he's probably gonna hold out. And I

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Speaker 1: if you listen to me, you think I'm like anti player.

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Speaker 1: long term. This one bothers me though, And this is

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Speaker 1: one of those that in two thousand nineteen you watched.

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Speaker 1: No one in the media I would imagine it will

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Speaker 1: be that critical of Zeke and that that that's just

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Speaker 1: wrong because if Zeke holds out, you don't get to

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Speaker 1: hold out when you've been in trouble with the law

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Speaker 1: every single year since you've been in the NFL, and

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Speaker 1: the number one guy who supported you, the number one

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Speaker 1: person was the owner of the team. The reason you're

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Speaker 1: they were having the draft meetings, remember the Remember a

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Speaker 1: lot of people in those Cowboys draft meetings wanted Jalen

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Speaker 1: And Jerry Jones said, screw that, I'm taking Zeke Elliott.

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Speaker 1: And every single time that he's got in trouble, Jerry

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Speaker 1: the other thing. It's not like Zeke Elliott has been underpaid.

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Speaker 1: When he signed his contract when he was the number

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Speaker 1: This is not a Clowney situation where Clowney looks at

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Speaker 1: want to pay me long term. I get that. This

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Speaker 1: And you're gonna slap him in the face and not

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Speaker 1: it's so far ago. It was my senior in high school.

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Speaker 1: It sucked. But I didn't like, Hey can I go

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Speaker 1: hang out at Mike's house? You know, I just kind

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Speaker 1: every time that seems like you're get in trouble once

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Speaker 1: every three months, Jerry's always got your back, And now

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Speaker 1: If I was a Cowboys fan, I'd be borderline offended. Again.

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Speaker 1: long term. But you do not get to hold out

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Speaker 1: get agents super greedy. Obviously the agent wants more money.

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Speaker 1: That's more money for his pocket. But Zeke should have

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Speaker 1: He's played three years at a very very low price. Uh,

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Speaker 1: He's been in zero trouble, Like, yeah, he might have

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Speaker 1: I repeat. You could argue he's in the negative stratosphere

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Speaker 1: get social media will support you because they hate the man.

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Speaker 1: They hate the owner, always taking the advantage of the employee. Like,

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Speaker 1: no one should feel sorry for Zeke here. Twitter should

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Speaker 1: borderline turn it on Zeke if he holds out, because

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Speaker 1: it's a joke. I mean, I mean, it really is.

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Speaker 1: If if social media, if he does hold out in

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Speaker 1: I mean, I try to rarely now take Twitter that seriously,

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Speaker 1: said on Twitter seriously. Again, if the overwhelming consensus is

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Speaker 1: Zeke is Zeke's getting screwed, he's in the right. Jerry

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Speaker 1: deserves to pay him more money because we're teeter tottering

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Speaker 1: on that right now, and I'm afraid where we're going.

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Speaker 1: But this seems pretty black and white to me, you

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Speaker 1: an owner. And I'd say this for Dak too, while

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Speaker 1: I know Doug is gonna be pretty good? I watched

427
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz teares a c L and him rattle off

428
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: wins and get to the Super One winning. Last year,

429
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 1: it happened again and they won a playoff game. Even Kyle,

430
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: who hasn't had any success yet as a head coach.

431
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: I've watched him have no quarterback yet keep the morale

432
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: up and his team keep playing hard, then get Jimmy

433
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: and then win, and then the following year have some

434
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: pressure on him because they thought the Niners are gonna

435
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: be good. Jimmy tears his a c L him keep

436
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: his head up, and then develop another young quarterback in

437
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: Nick Mullan. Now again, is Kyle ever gonna make the playoffs?

438
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Speaker 1: I don't know. He's been a head coach for two years.

439
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: He's thirty eight years old. However old he is. We're

440
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Speaker 1: kind of comparing apples and oranges, even though they're all

441
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Speaker 1: head coaches. How can I possibly compare Matt Naggy to uh?

442
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I almost a Jim John Harbaugh. John

443
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: Harbor has been a head coach since like oh seven,

444
00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: Managgi started coaching in two thousand eighteen. Like they, they

445
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,719
Speaker 1: don't have that much in common beside their title. So

446
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 1: I think these lists like when we do a player

447
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: list top one NFL players, unless you're a rookie, most

448
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: players have played if you're really good between three and

449
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: six years beside quarterbacks, Like, there's somewhat there's similarities between guys, right,

450
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: you're all into relatively the same era. That's not true

451
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: for coaches. Some coaches are now thirty five years old.

452
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: Other guys are sixty Like Pete Carroll's been a head

453
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: coach at three different places and coach at s C forever.

454
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Speaker 1: How can I possibly compare him to like Matt Lafleur

455
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: or Bruce Arians is sixty whatever years old, and he's

456
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Speaker 1: even unique. He's only coach for five years now. We

457
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: have a pretty good resume. He's a pretty good coach.

458
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Speaker 1: But I just started thinking how stupid this list is,

459
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: because how do you It's just it's just it's fake.

460
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: And obviously all lists are they don't have any meaning.

461
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: But when I list a player, let's less our top

462
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Speaker 1: ten quarterbacks, it's gitimen argument. What I listened coaches? Well,

463
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: what if in what if? In ten years? What if

464
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan coach of the forty niners for ten years

465
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Speaker 1: and he makes the playoffs? Seven out of the ten.

466
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: Well at the time when we judged him two years in,

467
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: he didn't sniff the playoffs. What if it's the vice

468
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: versa first Sean McVeigh And I'm not saying this is

469
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but what if John McVeigh doesn't make the

470
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Speaker 1: plaoffs for the next three years, We're gonna view him differently.

471
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Speaker 1: These guys sample sizes, if I wanted to take the

472
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Speaker 1: nerd analytical look at this, like, all of these guys

473
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Speaker 1: sample sizes are all over the board. That's where even

474
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Speaker 1: when we talk quarterbacks, like we always compared Brady to

475
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Speaker 1: to Manning, We always kind of compared Rogers to the

476
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Speaker 1: Big Bend group. Philip Rivers Luck is compared to Wilson Mahomes,

477
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: and all the young guys are all kind of went

478
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Speaker 1: that whole group is gonna be compared to each other.

479
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Speaker 1: So with coaches, I mean coach reads over sixty, Kyle

480
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Speaker 1: Shanahan is forty. One guy has been coaching since the

481
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Speaker 1: other guy has been a head coach since two thousand

482
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Speaker 1: seve a team. It's it's impossible to compare them. You

483
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: can't even it's stupid. After two years. If I was

484
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Speaker 1: like you know, if this was two thousand, what do

485
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Speaker 1: you think, Andy Reid, how many people are like, I

486
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: don't know if he's any good. Well, obviously look a

487
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Speaker 1: lot different ten years later, and that the coaching the lit.

488
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Speaker 1: It's to me. I just started thinking about, like, how

489
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Speaker 1: good is McVeigh. I got no clue. I mean, I

490
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: think he's good. Hell, I think Kyle's good. I think

491
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Speaker 1: Matt Naggie is good. I don't think Matt la Floor

492
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Speaker 1: is good. I don't think Kingsbury is gonna be that good.

493
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Speaker 1: I could be wrong. In like six years, they haven't

494
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Speaker 1: even coached. We gotta see, right. I never thought Jim

495
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Speaker 1: Harbaugh was gonna be that great with Niners, and he

496
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Speaker 1: kicked the ass. He was incredible for like four years,

497
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Speaker 1: and and even you could argue his NFL sample size

498
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Speaker 1: is really small, Like, would Jim Harbaugh come back and

499
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Speaker 1: be as good? I don't know. It's much easier to

500
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Speaker 1: judge to Sean Payton and Andy Reid and Mike Tomlin

501
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Speaker 1: when they have ten plus years of experience and a

502
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Speaker 1: resume to go off. Well, you go, well, he has

503
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Speaker 1: one of the division six of ten years. You know

504
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: that guy's pretty good. What if Harbaugh came back and

505
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: never won another NFL division the next time he came

506
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Speaker 1: back to the league. I don't know, so I I

507
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: think this My main takeaway is this list is the

508
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Speaker 1: stupidest thing I've ever read in my life, because I

509
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: really think it is impossible. I think the only thing

510
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: we know setting stone is Belichicks at number one. After that,

511
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: like currently, yeah, the Sean Payton and Andy Reid, they

512
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Speaker 1: should be better than mcvaan, Kyle and Naggie and all

513
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: those guys. What if in you know, what if in

514
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Speaker 1: ten years mcveigh's a three time Super Bowl winner? What

515
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: if Matt Naggie is a two time Super Bowl winner?

516
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: Just they have a neavor coach. You know, they have

517
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Speaker 1: so much of their career, unlike a player, who if

518
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Speaker 1: it's like you're six for seven for Clil Mack for

519
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: the most part, we know Clil Max an all time

520
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: great player, but you're not gonna get any better. Just

521
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: how long can he sustain it? Like Matt Naggie, Sean McVeigh, Kyle,

522
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Speaker 1: Shannah Hian, they coach for like thirty more years. Think

523
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Speaker 1: O think how young they are when they especially mcveah,

524
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Speaker 1: how Sean mcvain not gonna be a head coach for

525
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: like forty years. I mean, think about it. So I

526
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: guess my main takeaway is coaching lists are the most

527
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: moronic lists you can possibly make. I saw something from

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00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: actually a head coach and a personal favorite of mine

529
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: in Vic Fangio, and he said something that resonated with

530
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Speaker 1: me because up until I worked in the NFL, I

531
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: had never been to an NFL game. My first NFL

532
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: game was when I worked in the league. My first

533
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: ever NFL practice when I worked in the NFL. Most

534
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: people do not get to experience this stuff. I say

535
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: it all the time about ticket prices. Definitely with the NBA,

536
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: people got to be very careful athletes talking down on

537
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: the consumer. I think they when you become rich, you

538
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: become very out of touch. And I think there is

539
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: some elements to the NFL. They've never made more money,

540
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: you know, tick from just media sales, through their team website.

541
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Speaker 1: They're just they're rolling in cash, an unlimited amount of cash,

542
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: and if you're sitting in there seat, they've got to

543
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: be thinking it's never gonna stop. But as we known,

544
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: trust me, I'm a Netflix stockholder, things can change on

545
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: you but there is one thing that makes the NFL

546
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: pretty special, right at least it historically has most training

547
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: camps for a long period of time. Training camps used

548
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: to leave the team facility and go somewhere, usually to

549
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: a smaller college. I remember Bill Walsh us to take

550
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: the team to Rockland UH in Sacramento. The Raiders go

551
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: up to NAPA. When I was in Philly, we went

552
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: to Lehigh. And it becomes it becomes a getaway, you know,

553
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: from for a franchise where all your focus on football,

554
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: but it also becomes a great avenue and venue for

555
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: your fans to watch you play. And if anyone's ever

556
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: listening to this been to an NFL training camp, like,

557
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: it's just you get to meet the players and especially

558
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: younger people. You know what I can name, like on

559
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: one hand, the professional athletes I met before I was

560
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: ten years old. You still remember that to this day.

561
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: Byron Scott, Mitch Richmond, spun Web, Muhammad Ali, Dusty Baker

562
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Speaker 1: basketball camp. I don't know Dustie Baker was a coach

563
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: of the Giants at the time, but I don't even

564
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: know if that counts, but you you you remember that stuff.

565
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 1: And the one thing with training camps is nowadays, all

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00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: these training camps are just staying at the team facility.

567
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: And when you do that. When I used to go,

568
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: when we in Philly go to Lehigh, there would be

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Speaker 1: some days, I swear to God, it felt like there

570
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: were fifteen thousand people there. And I know the Bears

571
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: go somewhere. But most teams no longer do this. And

572
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: one thing I've been reading is a lot of teams

573
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: are doing less and less open practices because of course

574
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Speaker 1: the coach, if it's their choice, is not gonna do

575
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: open practice. You can. I mean, let's call it football

576
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: is uh, it's a sketchy sport in terms of people

577
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: steal stuff, So you would send you know, some incognito

578
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: scouts to steal stuff. I get it, but I think

579
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: back in the day, people didn't worry about that. And

580
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: I thought Vic Fangia when he was tipped off, I

581
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: know the Broncos run open practices. He had a great comment.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna read this to you, mis Vic Fangiel's words.

583
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: I didn't realize we had the most but I think

584
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: we have good fans in Denver. Let me restart this

585
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL. You had to go to

586
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: college campuses back in the day, because NFL facilities didn't

587
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: look like they do now. When I first went to

588
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: the Saints in the mid eighties, we had an eight

589
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: yard grass field. We had no cafeteria. Guys would go

590
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Speaker 1: to a greasy Delhi for lunch across the street. So

591
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: we were forced to go to small college campuses to

592
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: have our two a day practices because they had a cafeteria,

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Speaker 1: because they had classrooms, and because they had dorms to

594
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: sleep in. A byproduct of that was fans could come

595
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: and watch. I think one of the things, a small

596
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: thing that has driven the NFL to become the most

597
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: popular sport in the country is that you let people

598
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Speaker 1: in come and watch practice, people that maybe can't afford

599
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: to go to a game, and maybe get an autograph

600
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: from a play, maybe a player shakes their hand or

601
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: throws them a wet band, a sweat band, or a glove.

602
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: You do that with a young person and you got

603
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: a fan for life, and football has a fan for life.

604
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: There's more to be gained out of that than any

605
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: advertising slogan or any commercial that you put on TV.

606
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: So I think it's a good thing and all embrace it.

607
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: The players will embrace it as well. I wish there

608
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: could be more of them here, but I think about

609
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: half or less than NFL teams now that don't go

610
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: to college campuses and don't have the wherewithal to have

611
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: people at their facilities to watch practice. And I think

612
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a negative. And I think

613
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: the one he hit it on the head right there indirectly,

614
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: and fan Joe's an old school guy, and listen, I

615
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: am as progressive as you get in terms of social media,

616
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: advertising all that stuff, but there is still nothing like

617
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: meeting a human in person than an advertising campaign or

618
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: slogan on your Instagram or following the team on Twitter.

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00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: And one thing that's coming abundantly clear is these practices,

620
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: the availability at them, are only going to become less

621
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: and less as we move forward. And I think he

622
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: hit it another thing. The majority of people in this

623
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: country and the majority of NFL fans, let's just say

624
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: a hundred percent of the NFL fan bubble, the majority

625
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: of those people will never attend an NFL game. Simply put,

626
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: they can't afford it because most people don't make that

627
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: much money. But you could go to a practice because

628
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: a lot of times they used to be free to

629
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: go to. Maybe they cost five dollars, but you can't

630
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: afford a two d dollar ticket because you're going to

631
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: take your kid and to park. That's a five dollar

632
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: day if you make I'm no math major, but if

633
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: you make fifty grand, uh, that's before taxes, So you

634
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: actually see probably thirty five a lot of money to

635
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: you and go to NFL game. You can't, especially if

636
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: you're you know you're paying your capability's gonna watch it

637
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: on television and it's clear where the NFL is going

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Speaker 1: because they care about the bottom line, and you can't

639
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Speaker 1: grassroots marketing like that. When I when you know the

640
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Speaker 1: Sean Jackson, I used to watch these guys go and

641
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: these kids light up, and I see it with the

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Speaker 1: forty Niners, the Forest Buckner Go Raiders, Derek Carr, Khalil Mack. Now,

643
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: the Raiders are a little different because only season ticket

644
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Speaker 1: holders maybe a couple of days they do or it's

645
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Speaker 1: open to anyone, but I don't know. I think it

646
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: might be only season ticket holders. But regardless, that interaction

647
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Speaker 1: when a seven year old who Khalil Max your favorite player,

648
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: when you get to meet that person, it changes your life.

649
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: I don't even think that's hyperbole. I can't imagine when

650
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Speaker 1: I was ten years old, if I would have got

651
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: to meet Michael Jordan's or I would have got to

652
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Speaker 1: meet Steve Young. I got to text with Steve Young

653
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Speaker 1: like a month ago, and I'm trying to get him

654
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Speaker 1: on my other podcast with Hayman The milk Off. And

655
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: he text me back and he said, you know, I'm

656
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: super busy, text me a little later. I'm gonna try

657
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: to get him in the near future. But I took

658
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: a step back, like I tried to play it cool.

659
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: I just realized, Steve Young just freaking text me. I mean,

660
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Speaker 1: did you know what nine year old John would say

661
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Speaker 1: that you're you have Steve Young's phone number. Like this

662
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: stuff does matter to young people because most of us

663
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: become NFL fans when we're young, and we see our

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Speaker 1: dad or brother like the sport right, and we get

665
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: favorite players, and for the of us, we don't get

666
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: ever to meet those players. Now it's a little different now,

667
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, with social media, but this everything

668
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Speaker 1: in the NFL, and I think you gotta be careful

669
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Speaker 1: with this, and I try to cognitively think about this

670
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: in my life because now that I kind of own

671
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: some podcasts and own stuff like money, every dollar that

672
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: comes in like I touch. You know, it's not like

673
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm working for someone and they're paying. I'm working for me.

674
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: So when I get money and you I realize these

675
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: NFL owners they get money hungry because they realize they

676
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: do a hundred million dollar deal, they keep the deal, right,

677
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: they do a big marketing deal, they keep the cash

678
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: and it can consume you. And I know we're on

679
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: that level, but I understand. I think most people listening.

680
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Speaker 1: If you're if you have a sales job and you

681
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: get on every sale or what on certain huge sales

682
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: or whatever, it can consume you. You're like, damn, there's

683
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: a lot of money, and you can incentivize you were

684
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: the only thing you're thinking about is cash. And listen,

685
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: the NFL is a business, but I say it all

686
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: the time with pro sports in general, their business is

687
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: one million percent predicated on people and the fans and

688
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: the base of the people watching and consuming their product.

689
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: Because that's the reason why ESPN and CBS and NBC

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Speaker 1: pay so much money because of the people. Because if

691
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: you play NFL, it distributes people watch, just like the NBA.

692
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: When the NBA starts talking crap about their fans, like,

693
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: you realize all this money is because of people watching.

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Speaker 1: It's why everyone pays a lot of money to be

695
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: associated with your product, is because you have a lot

696
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: of people that follow you that It's it's just basic numbers.

697
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: And I think the NFL has got to be careful.

698
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: And Fangio is an old school guy, but I think

699
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: he's onto something, and I think the NFL is I'm

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00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: down a slippery slope and we're already hearing it with

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Speaker 1: the next c B A money money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money.

702
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: And I agree you all money is the most important

703
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: thing when you run a business, but you also got

704
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Speaker 1: to be cognizant about your consumer, about the way you're

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Speaker 1: treating people. And maybe they're at the point where they're

706
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: just we're too big to fail. We're like the banks, right,

707
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Speaker 1: you can't. Obama couldn't let the Welsh Fargo or Bank

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Speaker 1: of America go under. Our country goes under. So they

709
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: had to bail them out, right, They had to bail

710
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: out the banks, like, because there was more at stake

711
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: than just the banks. There was me and you, right, so,

712
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: and I think there's a greater good sometimes and the

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00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: less and less as these older owners get so consumed

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Speaker 1: with their cash and they've never made more. I think

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Speaker 1: what made the NFL great? Now, what made all these

716
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: sports great? You lose touch with it a little bit.

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00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: And the players, and I'll say this about the players.

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00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: You put them in front of the fans, like at

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Speaker 1: these training camps. To me, they thrive like that. They

720
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: they're always so good with the kids, and like Vick says,

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Speaker 1: you have a fan for life. The moment eight year

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Speaker 1: old James or Billy or Matt or Mike gets to

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Speaker 1: shake hands with Marcus Mariotta or Carson Wentz or Aaron Donald,

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine that feeling. And that feeling is

725
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: just dying more every year in the NFL. And they

726
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: can fall him on Twitter or Instagram, but but there's

727
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: something like when you get to shake the guy's hand,

728
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: or hell just even see him in person, where a

729
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: lot of these people will never attend an NFL game. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's get to the middlecoff mail back and where I

731
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Speaker 1: answer your questions. You guys slide up in those d

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Speaker 1: m s at John Middlecoffs my instat handle and then

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Speaker 1: I'll fire right here. I heard Packer fan John. I

734
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Speaker 1: know you don't think la Flora will be a good

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Speaker 1: coach for the pack but do you think there's any

736
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Speaker 1: chance that they will be a nine ten win playoff team?

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Speaker 1: Certainly the defense has gotten a lot better, and with Rogers,

738
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Speaker 1: anything can happen. I'll say this, I don't not like

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Speaker 1: the Packers roster. I think that, like you said, defensively,

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Speaker 1: Mike Petton has been a very good defensive coordinator in

741
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Speaker 1: this league. They've drafted defensive players the last several years.

742
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: They had a good offseason of signing some offensive defensive players,

743
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Speaker 1: pass rushers. That young quarterback year Alexander looks like he's

744
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: got a chance to be a star, and when he's

745
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: on Aaron Rodgers is special. The thing I keep coming

746
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Speaker 1: back to, though, is Roger's gonna like and respect the

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Speaker 1: head coach, and I just have a hard time seeing that.

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Speaker 1: I I really do. Uh. But I if the like

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Speaker 1: if the Arizona Cardinals won nine games, I'd be floored.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to think if the Bengals won

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Speaker 1: nine games, I'd be floored. If the Packers won nine games,

752
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: I would not be floored now, I would have just

753
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: been wrong on the floor. Now I'm judging him based

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00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: off what I know about him from people in the

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00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: league and as press conference. So I'm not claiming that

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00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: I have like some hard evidence. It's kind of a

757
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: gut feeling educated s and then just already seeing some

758
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: weird stuff happened with him and Aaron. But they they've

759
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: they've won the majority of my lifetime. You know, once

760
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Speaker 1: ron Wolf and Homegren got there, they've been kicking as

761
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Speaker 1: since ninety two. I mean how many losing seasons and

762
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Speaker 1: they had since NAETI two Packer fans, I mean you

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Speaker 1: know that number? Not many? You know, even like what

764
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Speaker 1: McCarthy asked or I remember we said it two years

765
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: ago when they went eight and eate. They asked them, like,

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Speaker 1: you know the team still play hard or whatever? Do

767
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: you hold your head high? And said, no, we're the

768
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Speaker 1: green Bay Packers. I know McCarthy's kind of been shipped

769
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Speaker 1: on a lot the last couple of years. It's right there,

770
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. And in my lifetime when I

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Speaker 1: think the Green Bay Packers, I think far of Rogers,

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Speaker 1: and I think winning. Maybe not that many super Bowls.

773
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Speaker 1: Obviously they've only won two super Bowls over that run,

774
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Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy. You know, it's pretty nuts

775
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Speaker 1: is you go from far Of to Rodgers. You think,

776
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: like god, they could have won like four or five

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Speaker 1: super Bowls. And then you could say the same thing

778
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: about the Colts, like you got Peyton Manning and now

779
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Speaker 1: you have Andrew Luck. You gott have one super Bowl

780
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: to show for it. You gotta take an vantage when

781
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: you have good quarterbacks. You know, even big band they've

782
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Speaker 1: won a couple, right, obviously Brady is the best case.

783
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Speaker 1: But you get a good quarterback like you got my homes,

784
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Speaker 1: you want to win like two or three. Huge Colts

785
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Speaker 1: fan and would love to know, love to know on

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Speaker 1: the Middlecoff mail bag, how many super Bowls you believe

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning would have been if he had Belichick on

788
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Speaker 1: the if he would have been with Belichick in the

789
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Speaker 1: past the whole time. Uh, good little Segway here. Uh

790
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Speaker 1: you know, I think he would have had just as

791
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Speaker 1: many as Brady. They would have won oh one, he

792
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: was a better player earlier. They would have dominated oh one,

793
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: oh two, oh three or four. Their defense was so

794
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: good and Manning was incredible back in two thousand's now,

795
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: the one question would be, like one big you know

796
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: difference between the two quarterbacks is Brady is a much

797
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: better outside quarterback. Why he's got a much better arm.

798
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Speaker 1: You know, he throws with more velocity. Well, when it's

799
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Speaker 1: ten degrees outside and the wind chill factor and you

800
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: can't feel your hands, the arm strength kind of matters.

801
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: Like That's why I'll take my chances with Farv or

802
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: Mahomes or Brady or big young Big Ben in his prime,

803
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: even those couple of years when Eli got hot. I

804
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: mean think about the game's Eli one on the road

805
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: against Green Bay coming to San Francisco and that rain

806
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: storm you know in that game, Uh, it matters. So

807
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: that's say about you know, about as many as Brady

808
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: five or six, because don't ever forget Peyton Manning was

809
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: so much better than Brady early on. Now Brady flipped

810
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: the switch and like, oh seven and he became Peyton, Like,

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Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, I'd say I'd say five. In two

812
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Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, Mariota and had his healthiest year and through yards,

813
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Speaker 1: twenty eight touchdowns and nine picks within nine point six.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback rading with Delany Walker is his only weapon. Do

815
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Speaker 1: you think with the defense continuing to get better and

816
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: the weapons he has now Corey Davis or Henry Walker?

817
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: Who's Walker? Adam Humphreys rookie A J. Brown? Is Delaney?

818
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: I know he had a bad injury last year. I

819
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Speaker 1: wonder if he's healthy right now. I guess we'll find

820
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: out when they show up training camp. If he's able

821
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: to return and stay healthy, the Titans can be a

822
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: serious contender. I think the Titans are gonna be good.

823
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: I can't believe so many people are poo pooing the Titans.

824
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: They made the playoffs two years ago. They won a

825
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: road playoff game. Last year. Mariotta got hurt week whatever sixteen.

826
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: They had a win or get in game week seventeen. Now,

827
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Speaker 1: part of that was because the Colts started going five.

828
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: Titans are just good. Like you said, they played good defense,

829
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Speaker 1: They run the ball and if Mariota's if they're passing

830
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: games productive their playoff team. If you tell me the

831
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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans throw for thirty five touchdowns and that would

832
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Speaker 1: be Mariota or Tannehill, I'd say, yeah, they're a playff team.

833
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: They're just a well run operation. So yeah, I think

834
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Speaker 1: they are. For whatever reason, they fly under the radar

835
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: because everyone's blowing the coltson rightfully, so they've earned it.

836
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Speaker 1: The Texans have all these sexy players, Wat Hopkins to

837
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Speaker 1: seawanh Awnie, they're just you know, Uh, I was gonna

838
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: say Honey Badger, but he's gone. Now? Who else am

839
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: I missing on that team? Will Fuller you know, runs

840
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: like a three forty. But yeah, I mean I who's

841
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: to say the Texans are better than Titans? Uh? Forty

842
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: Niners fan from Glasgow, Scotland. Oh wow, sounds cool. I've

843
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: never been there, obviously, because I've never been in Scotland.

844
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Speaker 1: I wanted to know your opinions on the Niners possibly

845
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: investing too much into players who may be fragile this season.

846
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Speaker 1: D Ford Kwan, Alexander Jason Barrett have all injury issues,

847
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: Jimmy G. McKinnon coming back from a c l's Nick Boza,

848
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: he's already been a hurt. Do you think the forty

849
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: Niners season may depend too much on these players stepping

850
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: up and remaining healthy? And if they don't, do you

851
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: see the Niners being the next year top of the draft. Well,

852
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: the Niners have had the most most injuries I've ever

853
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: witnessed in a two year stretch. It's just insane. Now.

854
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: I saw some rating like the the amount of actual

855
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: guys that have been hurt. It's ranked like twenty four,

856
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,479
Speaker 1: and I think last year was twenty nine. So they've

857
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: been up near the league lead. But you can say

858
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: that about most teams. I'd say the difference, I'd say

859
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: the Eagles and the forty nine ers the number one question.

860
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: Both of them are paying their quarterbacks huge money. Can

861
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: their guys stay on the field now? At least Carson

862
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: Wentz is played. Carson Wentz played way more football than Jimmy, Like,

863
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: can Jimmy G play sixteen games? Because as I sit

864
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: here and record this podcast five fifty on July eighteenth,

865
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how I can stay with a straight face. Yeah,

866
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: I'm confident we'll play sixteen games. He's literally played ten

867
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: and been injured in two of them. And the injuries

868
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: one broke his shoulder or dislocated his shoulder, and the

869
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: other one he towards a c L. It's not like

870
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: he rolls his ankle or you know, dislocate it's a pinky.

871
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: He has major injuries. So they're depending on Nick Bosa,

872
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: who I wasn't that big of a fan on, but

873
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: people in the league trying to talk me into him. Okay,

874
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: I'll even give him a chance. Well, the first practice

875
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: I went to this spring, I go, oh, yeah, the

876
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: Niners got a couple of new defensive line I walk

877
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: all the way around the practice field, I go watch

878
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: the defensive lineman. Within two reps of just basic, you know,

879
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: football on a stick. As Richard Eyesn't always talks about

880
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: football on a stick, you just move that football and

881
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: the guys just get off. This one, they actually had

882
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: a drill, like the offensive lineman was standing there. You

883
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: had to go around him, but again no pads, just

884
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: like three steps worth of drill, and he pulled his hamstring.

885
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean it was like clockwork. I John middle Coff.

886
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: I walk around the field. I didn't mean to go

887
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: third person there, and I'm standing there and I look,

888
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, he starts limping, and

889
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: no one really noticed. I remember Matt Mayo c I'm

890
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: sure many of you guys follow him on on Twitter.

891
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: He's like the Niners main beat guy on Twitter. And

892
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: I go, man, I think he's hurt, and no one's

893
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: really paying attention and then you see him limping around,

894
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: limping around, and then he just never goes back into

895
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: practice and that that was it for his O T

896
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: A S. So yeah, I think there are injuries are

897
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: a major question mark. I know everyone talks about there

898
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: being no parody with Clemson Obama always winning. I know

899
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve is widely can that are the weakest conference,

900
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: But I think this is Oregon's best shots in two

901
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen. They're returning Justin Herbert, an offensive line

902
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: with the most combined starts. I think question mark, Well,

903
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go, I'm gonna assume you're right. A

904
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: beast Penn state wide receiver transfer and a bevy of

905
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: four and five star recruits, including the number one guy.

906
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: Can they win a playoff game or two? Thanks? Yeah,

907
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: they had a big time recruiting class. I know they've

908
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: nailed some j C recruits the last couple of years,

909
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: like five star guys. To me, they have a quarterback

910
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: that could be the number one pick in the draft.

911
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: Like you said, the conference is down, but here's the thing.

912
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: The South conferences down A SC sucks, U C l

913
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: A is terrible. Uh, Arizona is not any good. Arizona

914
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: State is like competitive, but they're only a six or

915
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 1: seven win team. Utah's good. In Colorado sucks, the North

916
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: actually is not bad. Stanford's just I mean, Stanford Cal

917
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: actually is a well coached, tough operation. Oregon State stinks,

918
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: but obviously this team Oregon is good. And then the

919
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: two Washington schools are Chris Peterson is one of the

920
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: best coaches in the country and Mike Leach has that

921
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: thing humming at Washington State. And you open an Auburn

922
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: So in theory, yeah, I mean, the talent is there.

923
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: You have a star quarterback. Like you said, I don't

924
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: know much about this Penn State wide receiver. Now you

925
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: kind of pique my interest. I might google them after

926
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: I finished recording this podcast. Auburns must win. You have

927
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: to win if you're gonna make the playoffs. You have

928
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: to win that game, and then you gotta take care

929
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: of business. But just winning in your division because it's

930
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: a conference. But then they split the division. It's hard,

931
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, I have to look at their schedule. But

932
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: regardless of where you play Stanford or Washington, Washington State, like,

933
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that they're winning those games. It's just

934
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: difficult to win those games. And I think when you

935
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: look at their coach, you go, do they have a

936
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: guy that's good enough? And you know, I you wouldn't

937
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: rank you know what best, He'd be the fourth best

938
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: co coach in the division because Chris Peterson. I'd put

939
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: Chris Peterson, Dave Shawn, Mike Leach. You could rank any

940
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: order one through three and I'd listen. But those three

941
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: guys are just better than Mario crystal Ball. And I'm

942
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: a big believer. I don't love coaches that aren't from

943
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: the area. Coach in the program now, I get, he's

944
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: a good recruiter, and I get when Willie Taggert left

945
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: they had to keep him and he's killed in recruiting.

946
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: Now they have a talented team. But you know what,

947
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: people like me, he can shut me up. Go twelve

948
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: and oh, because if you gave Chris Peterson this roster,

949
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, they beat twelve and oh. I've seen

950
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: David Chago eleven and one with way less talent. So

951
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: just just win like this. This is a in the

952
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: one thing. If you're an Oregon fan, you go, you've

953
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: seen your team with good coaches. You guys kick ass

954
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: Ballotti for years, won a lot of games. Chip Kelly

955
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: came and took him to another level. Talent, got the

956
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: job done. That's what was kind of hard with Hellford.

957
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: You're like, got our team should be better, and then

958
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: the one year they were good. But this season it's like, Okay, Mario,

959
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: no excuse. You got Auburn who's kind of sneaky down

960
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: and that win would might look better than it actually is,

961
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: but you can't lose that game. You cannot lose that game,

962
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: and then you gotta take care of business and conference.

963
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm not confident in Oregon at all. That's pretty clear,

964
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: I guess if you're listening to this. But they're definitely

965
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: talent the team, and I mean the quarterback if he

966
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: could take a big step, and like you said, they

967
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: always have skill guys physically upfront on defense, they should

968
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: be good. But just can they coach? Can they out

969
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: coach Mike Leach, Chris Peterson, David Jaw Because if they

970
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: do out coach Gus Miles on and week one, you know,

971
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: in football in general, whether it's college or the NFL.

972
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: When I say college, like obviously, if it's if you're

973
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: Oregon and you're playing UC, David, you should kick their ass.

974
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: But any of the Power five, you know, if Alabama

975
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: plays Iowa, you know, or Oregon plays Auburn, or Stanford

976
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: plays North Carolina, you know, anything can happen week one,

977
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: so that you take care of business and then you know,

978
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: win the conference. Where do you rank leadership and clutchness

979
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: compared to accuracy and throwing strength in the ranking of

980
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: characteristics needed to be possessed by quarterback? Arguing with friends

981
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: and they love Rogers and I love Brady. I think

982
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: there's more important. I think there's nothing more important than leadership.

983
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Well, you're wrong in the sense that

984
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: on the moment, once you get to the NFL, you

985
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: have the baseline talent, right, you have the good enough arm,

986
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: you have the size, you have the ability. Once you

987
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: become a starting quarterback, it's like Rogers to Jimmy g

988
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: to Brady to Jamis, like all these guys have the

989
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: baseline talent to get drafted, start in the league, beat

990
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: out whoever their competitions, and be a starting quarterback. Then

991
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: where you're not wrong is once you're the starter. And

992
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: that's where we're saying like nip picking Rogers mobility compared

993
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: to Brady like, yeah, to me, all Brady's teammates level

994
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: Brady's ability to like be a team first guy seven

995
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: three sixty five separate some from Rodgers, like Brady never

996
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: has issues with coaches. Now, I think the counter if

997
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: if Aaron Rodgers was listening, he'd go, well, Brady has

998
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: had much smarter coaches than me. I've had Meathead McCarthy

999
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: and now I got torn Achilles Lafleur. But I think

1000
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: what separates Brady and Rogers is I think at the

1001
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: end of the day, Brady is just a better guy.

1002
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: You know, he just and when you're when I say,

1003
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: a better guys just easier to get along with. One

1004
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: thing is pretty clear Aaron Rodgers doesn't get along with

1005
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: that many people very easily. And at quarterback, you're dependent

1006
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: on everyone. You're depending on the five guys blocking for you.

1007
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: You're depending on the guy you're handing off to running

1008
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: it for you. You're dependent on the receivers doing the

1009
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: right thing for you. You're dependent on your offensive coordinator

1010
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: working together with you. Like it's a dependent position. Even

1011
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: though your quote unquote technically in control and I think

1012
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, in my lifetime, if

1013
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: I had to rank top five teammates of all time,

1014
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: Brady would be one. I'd put Brady and Tim Duncan

1015
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: one too, one A, one B. You know who else

1016
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: is right there? Steph Curry, Steph Curry want. His greatest strength,

1017
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: beside his three point shooting, is how much guys like

1018
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: playing with him, whether you're an undrafted free agent or

1019
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: you're a star player. And he even makes an effort

1020
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: even when you don't whatever reason, Like don't even like

1021
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: him that much or resent him. He flew from China

1022
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: all the way out to New York even though he

1023
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: knew Kevin Durant was probably gonna leave. He's just a

1024
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: high level, good teammate. Steve Nash elite teammate, you know.

1025
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: I I think that's that's a separating factor of some

1026
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: of the guys like Ben has Ben kind of a

1027
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: questionable teammate, you know, say what you wanted about Eli

1028
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: Manning does feel like players kind of like Eli, even

1029
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: though he sucks a little down. Guys always like Eli.

1030
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: People like Philip Rivers. You know, people need to like

1031
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: you at quarterback, and it's easy to be an arrogant

1032
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: kind of asshole because you're the richest, You're getting all

1033
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: the women, you're getting all the publicity, like it's hard

1034
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: to kind of stay humble. And I think one difference

1035
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: is that not that's not really allowed in New England

1036
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: because Belichick kind of yells at him all and keeps everyone.

1037
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: And now this I give Brady credit. Brady allows Belichick

1038
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: to yell at him, just like if you ever read

1039
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: about Popovich and Duncan, Duncan allowed Popovitch to coach him

1040
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: because he knew then it kind of rolled downhill if

1041
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: you're I don't think Rogers allows that. So yeah, I

1042
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: think the separating factor of the two is the leadership

1043
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: is is mad. I mean, it separates all the guys

1044
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: the highest level. Now it might be overblown, like I

1045
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: don't think Rogers like a terrible leader, but he clearly

1046
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: is a little flawed for sure. I mean Brady all day.

1047
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean this, people love like the Chris Simms of

1048
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: the world act like Aaron Rodgers the greatest player ever.

1049
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: Like part of being an elite, elite quarterback even more,

1050
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: like you don't have to be a great like Kobe

1051
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: Bryant was a terrible leader, but he was a top

1052
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: ten player of all time. Like Rogers, part of being

1053
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: a quarterback you have to lead a little bit, you know,

1054
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: and clearly that's an issue that some of his teammates

1055
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: have with him. Appreciate everyone listening. When I get back,

1056
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: I guess it will be July the next time we talk.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a lot of training camps up and running,

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Speaker 1: you know, and probably my end of the week podcast,

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Speaker 1: Well practice is going, so we're getting to that time.

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Speaker 1: Football is back. Three and Out Podcast never left, but

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Speaker 1: let's keep rolling. Talk to you soon. Three and Out

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Speaker 1: Podcast me John Middlecoff, Tell your friends, Colin Coward Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate y'all and have a good weekend. See