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Speaker 2: Drake's trying to move to make plays.

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Speaker 2: Culton in the touchdown Patriots and who caught it? Trim

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Speaker 1: Hack Trim for the rookie.

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Speaker 3: I'm pledged, Bucks, I mean, I'm played fantasy football.

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Speaker 2: But who's got thatten on it?

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Speaker 2: Three touchdowns? Snati your breaking records. He's gonna get another

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Speaker 2: one too, Tony. He's gonna get the ups out four times.

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Speaker 2: Oh but he didn't score for Scott Zolac taking.

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Speaker 5: An l on the same night that his beloved Patriots

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Speaker 5: Nick Schook to clinch a winning record for the twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty five season. Is the New England Patriots twenty seven

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Speaker 5: to fourteen? Yes, that was also Bob soci on wb

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Speaker 5: Z twenty seven fourteen. I think it's about accurate in

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Speaker 5: terms of how this game felt. The Jets were competitive,

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Speaker 5: but ultimately you never felt that the Patriots were going

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Speaker 5: to lose. All it took Nick was Rimandre Stevenson and

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Speaker 5: Treell Jennings getting hurt for Traveon Henderson to become that dude,

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Speaker 5: and he delivers with three scores on a night where

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Speaker 5: everyone got to enjoy the young Patriots players.

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Speaker 4: It's like I tweeted during the game, I'm old enough

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Speaker 4: to remember when Travion Henderson was barely even a part

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Speaker 4: for them. Tonight a classic Patriots performance, classic in the

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Speaker 4: new age of Patriots, with Drake May at the controls

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Speaker 4: and powering this offense and then Henderson finishing the drives

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Speaker 4: off with touchdowns. A different game than what we saw

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Speaker 4: against Tampa Bay last week, which is perfectly fine and

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Speaker 4: very encouraging for the Patriots, who won a short week,

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Speaker 4: come home and largely handle their division rivals in a

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Speaker 4: game in which they just needed to take care of business,

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Speaker 4: and once again, their quarterback puts together a fantastic performance.

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Speaker 4: Twenty five and thirty four might not look that great

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Speaker 4: to you, but I promising you there are so many

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Speaker 4: highlight throws from this game that are worth watching an

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Speaker 3: Drake May had another great night.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy.

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Speaker 5: I think that drops his completion percentage on the season,

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Speaker 5: which he actually hasn't done yet as a pro. So

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Speaker 5: Mac Jones still the last Patriot to top three hundred

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Speaker 5: yards and yet as flashy as the Henderson touchdowns were,

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Speaker 5: did a good job on both of them, and we'll

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Speaker 5: listen to those later. Drake May's season is one of

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Speaker 5: the biggest stories in the NFL, not just that he's

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Speaker 5: that dude. And we're actually gonna do a little redraft

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Speaker 5: after we talk about this game, picking who we would

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Speaker 5: It's not like the past protection has been great. Tonight,

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Speaker 5: What to you, it was kind of the most impressive

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Speaker 4: Oh, Undoubtedly it was his ability to sit amid pressure

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Speaker 4: watching just going wow multiple times, just audibly saying wow.

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Speaker 4: There was a throw he had over the middle of

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Speaker 5: And there will be more tests, and they continue to

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Speaker 5: And man, if this is going to help Patrick's points

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Speaker 4: No, they're enjoying it in real time because that little

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Speaker 3: Let's just run you over and block better than you can.

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Speaker 4: Know, it's just unnecessary. It's a first year coach kind

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Speaker 4: He's better at it than Mayo, as Mayo was kind

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Speaker 3: Out with steal the cracks building rest doing his job.

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Speaker 5: It's the agent. It's also like, don't worry about other things.

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Speaker 5: Depends depends where the other guys are you buying? Before

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Speaker 2: I'll say it that way.

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Speaker 3: Like the play of.

440
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Speaker 4: Klevon Chasson, for example. Yeah, you know, he's leading them

441
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,880
Speaker 4: in sacks. He's been great for most of this year.

442
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Speaker 3: But I also and you have.

443
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Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalez back there, and you got Marcus Jones and

444
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,760
Speaker 4: everything else. But this is also a defense that was

445
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 4: largely patched together by a lot of off season additions,

446
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,480
Speaker 4: Milton Williams being one of them, Robert Spoline being another one.

447
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,159
Speaker 4: And I saw a weakness tonight that makes me concerned

448
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,200
Speaker 4: about how they could perform against a team like Baltimore.

449
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,159
Speaker 4: I don't think they have a linebacker who could effectively

450
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,480
Speaker 4: spy a running quarterback, and that could be their biggest

451
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 4: weakness exactly.

452
00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,280
Speaker 5: Jack Gibbons isn't getting it done for Jack Gibbins actually

453
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,640
Speaker 5: played pretty well. He's actually played pretty well for them

454
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Speaker 5: since he got inserted in a couple of weeks ago.

455
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Speaker 4: But yeah, yes, but given Splaine, none of those guys

456
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 4: could spy a Lamar and so I think that could

457
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 4: be their weakness.

458
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,640
Speaker 5: But I do Mahomes or maybe even Daniel Jones, and.

459
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Speaker 4: That's gonna take a lot of discipline and defensive integrity,

460
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,399
Speaker 4: and I don't know if they've gotten enough time together

461
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,919
Speaker 4: to really do that in the biggest spots. But I

462
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 4: do think that they'll give every team they play a

463
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Speaker 4: game because of what we've seen from this offense.

464
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Speaker 3: It's a little bit inflated.

465
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Speaker 4: Like there was what three or four years ago where

466
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Speaker 4: the Vikings I was like, that's one of the most

467
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,400
Speaker 4: overrated twelve thirteen win teams whatever they were that year

468
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 4: that I've ever seen, the most fraudulent, and they proved

469
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Speaker 4: that when they lost to the Giants in the playoffs.

470
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say the same thing about these Patriots. I

471
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Speaker 4: just don't think their ceiling is as high as the

472
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Speaker 4: Super Bowl.

473
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Speaker 5: So I would agree with you, Yeah, it's going to

474
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Speaker 5: depend on the matchups. But like I said, it's crazy

475
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 5: nine and two. It does make me feel like, Okay,

476
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 5: we're here, We're we're at a point in the season

477
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Speaker 5: where a team can be nine and two and Yeah,

478
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,239
Speaker 5: they only have six geames left, and four of them

479
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 5: are against the Bengals, Giants, Jets, and Dolphins. Doesn't mean

480
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Speaker 5: they're going to win all four, but they'll be favored

481
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Speaker 5: in all of them. I give them a chance to

482
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Speaker 5: win any game but one and done in the playoffs.

483
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 5: Also wouldn't be a surprise depending on the matchup, but

484
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Speaker 5: I give them a chance because of their quarterback.

485
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Speaker 2: Let's take a break.

486
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Speaker 5: And we will redraft the twenty twenty four quarterback class.

487
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Speaker 2: After the break back on NFL Daily, it's time.

488
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Speaker 5: It's the twenty twenty four quarterback class redraft. Okay college

489
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 5: tape matters, NFL tape matters more. Based on the now

490
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 5: year and a half sample size, we have of one

491
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Speaker 5: of the best quarterback classes we have seen of the

492
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Speaker 5: last twenty years. We are going to redraft this much

493
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Speaker 5: debated class and we'll each give our picks, but I

494
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Speaker 5: want to hear yours first. Who goes first? Out of

495
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 5: your quarterbacks? There's really only a couple options. I would

496
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Speaker 5: assume it's only Drake May or Jayden Daniels.

497
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Speaker 2: But who do you go?

498
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can accuse me of recency bias. I

499
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Speaker 3: don't care.

500
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Speaker 4: It's Drake May, home run, slam dunk, Drake May. Easy

501
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 4: choice because of what we just described.

502
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked about him a lot on the show already.

503
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 5: I think it's clear just because of the style of play.

504
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 5: And I got some pushback already on social of just like, look,

505
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 5: Jayden led his team to multiple playoff wins where he

506
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 5: was the biggest reason by far they won those games

507
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 5: as a rookie, and I think that's all fair, and

508
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 5: I think if you want to say it's a little unfair,

509
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 5: and we'll just talk about these two guys now together

510
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 5: because I have May number one in Jayden two. You

511
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 5: can tell me if you have Jayden two in a second,

512
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 5: but we'll talk about Jayden. I think like the durability

513
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 5: stuff is somewhat fair to talk about with Jayden because

514
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 5: of his frame. And then I just think with how

515
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 5: unique that offense was, you have to worry just a

516
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 5: little bit more than May long term about how he

517
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 5: keeps in pro and stacking how he is as a quarterback.

518
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 5: That said, I think he is so sharp and has

519
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 5: so many assets beyond his incredible athleticism that's Jade Daniels

520
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 5: and its incredible accuracy that frankly, I'm not that worried

521
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 5: about his ability to evolve as a player and an

522
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 5: excellent quarterback, and he would still be in my top

523
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 5: ten quarterbacks I want long term, and I'm still like

524
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 5: very high on where Jaden Daniels' career goes.

525
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: It's mostly just the durability.

526
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 5: And the size, which I think is a skill that

527
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 5: makes me take May over Jadon Daniels.

528
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, when we look at his career in hindsight, whenever

529
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 4: it ends this is a season we will completely throw

530
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 4: out the window like a professor throws out your lowest

531
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 4: test score, you know, at the end of the semester,

532
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 4: like it's it's completely incomplete. This evaluation this season because

533
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 4: he's been hurt three separate times. He's had a number

534
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 4: of guys around him get hurt. The circumstances surrounding him

535
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 4: have been terrible, and quarterbacks in the league it comes

536
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 4: down to two things usually for them, talent, slash ability

537
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 4: and experience. That's all like in one bucket, and the

538
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 4: other bucket is situation. And the situation for him last

539
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 4: year he elevated this team, but he also had enough

540
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 4: around him to capitalize and maximize what they were going

541
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 4: to do that season, and he did the rest of

542
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 4: the work, which is why he had such a great season.

543
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 4: He had an offensive Rookie of the Year season. We

544
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 4: all held him in high regard. This year, all of

545
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 4: that fell apart. That does not diminish how I see him,

546
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 4: but I do think the durability questions are valid because

547
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 4: of his size, like you said, because of what we

548
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 4: saw this season and his style of play.

549
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: Somebody who extends the play, somebody they liked the.

550
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 4: Run read option, with that whole dynamic element of his game,

551
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 4: it matters long term. Now, we said the same things

552
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 4: about Lamar early in his career. He has missed some games,

553
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 4: but it hasn't been as much of an issue as

554
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 4: we thought it would be, and I think the same

555
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 4: will be true for Jaden overall. But the durability is

556
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 4: the reason that I would put him right behind Drake

557
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 4: May at this point after only you know, almost two seasons.

558
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 5: You know, I think Leabar came into the league with

559
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 5: better pure pocket passing skills, at least that were translatable

560
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 5: from a pro offense that he played in college, Which

561
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 5: is why I always laugh when Kirk Kirkstry just keeps

562
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 5: talking about how much he's improved and like he wasn't

563
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 5: a pocketbaster. He was always that guy. Now he has

564
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 5: of course improved Lamar. That is I just think Jayden,

565
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 5: like I want to see him in different types of offenses.

566
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 5: But it's a small thing. By the way, if May

567
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 5: winds up getting let's say, top five MVP votes, that

568
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 5: type of thing, top three MVP votes. I did a

569
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 5: little research while that second half was going on second

570
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 5: year quarterbacks to win MVP. Patrick Mahomes and of course

571
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 5: he didn't even start his rookie year. Lamar Jackson, Dan

572
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 5: Marino Ye and then Kurt Warner, who was an interesting

573
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 5: case because he played you know, arena ball and he

574
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 5: was twenty eight years old, but he was a second

575
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 5: year quarterback.

576
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Speaker 2: That's about it.

577
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 5: Peyton Manning came in second in the MVP as a

578
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 5: second year player, So it's rare, like all time greatest

579
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 5: stuff to get that high in the end, I personally

580
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 5: don't think think May is gonna wind up with the

581
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 5: m v P, but even to get in the mix

582
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 5: is rare stuff. And you know, for what it's worth,

583
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 5: now that we have more voters, you can go one

584
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 5: through what five on the m v P. Jane Daniels

585
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 5: came in seventh last year, so like he was, he

586
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 5: was in the mix last year, all right, is Jade

587
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 5: and your number two pick, by the way, should have confronted.

588
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: He is, okay, And I just want to expand that

589
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 4: real quick because I was thinking about top five MVP

590
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 4: guys right now, and you hate MVP discussions at this

591
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 4: point in the season.

592
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna throw it out there.

593
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford, Baker Mayfield, Drake May, Jonathan Taylor option number

594
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 4: five like May is very much in that conversation.

595
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: Oh Man, May's ahead of all those guys that order.

596
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 3: I was just throwing those out there.

597
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I still just the way that Herbert and Mahomes

598
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 5: have played, I'd probably have Stafford, May, Herbert and Mahomes

599
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 5: would probably be.

600
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: That's my top four.

601
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 5: But Taylor Taylor is right there too, Okay, is number

602
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 5: three Caleb Williams for you.

603
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 3: Yes it is. And I think this is the end

604
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 3: of a clear.

605
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 4: Like lineup demarcation in this group, because look, Caleb is

606
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 4: not super consistent over four quarters, and I'm going to

607
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 4: say the same thing about vote NICKX later in this group,

608
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 4: but what he has done over the last month and

609
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 4: a half and his partnership with Ben Johnson makes me

610
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: think that he can actually live up to expectation. His

611
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: fourth quarter play in some of these games is just

612
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 4: absolutely scintillating, like just injected in my veins. Caleb Williams, clutch,

613
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 4: Gene I wish I could just spread it to everybody

614
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 4: on the planet that they could perform under pressure like

615
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 4: he does, whether it's running, whether it's throwing. The moment

616
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 4: is never too big for him, and he has those

617
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 4: natural abilities that again he doesn't necessarily show off over

618
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 4: an entire game, but God, when he scrambles and just

619
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 4: lets that arm rip, that is special.

620
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: He has an arm that is very rare, and once they.

621
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 4: Harness that over the course of a full four quarters,

622
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: he's gonna be one of the best quarterbacks in the

623
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: league as long as he stays in this track.

624
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 5: And age matters a little bit to me here. And

625
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,239
Speaker 5: you know, Caleb Williams is twenty three years old. He

626
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 5: is more than a year younger than Jade Daniels. For instance,

627
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 5: Drake May is almost another year younger even than Caleb Williams,

628
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 5: which which is crazy. Caleb's about to turn twenty four.

629
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 5: You know, May just turned twenty three, so that I

630
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 5: think bolsters May's case.

631
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Speaker 2: In general.

632
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 5: I always thought, at least coming into this season, that

633
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams' floor is higher than people realize, that he

634
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 5: showed more than enough as a rookie that I was like, oh,

635
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 5: like his floor is cutlersh which it's kind of where

636
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 5: he is now, right, Like people will mock that, but

637
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 5: Jay Cutler like kept getting one hundred million dollar contracts

638
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 5: because he was like the twelfth best player in the

639
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 5: league and sometimes he looked like you know, quarterback in

640
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 5: the league, and sometimes he looked like the eighth, but

641
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 5: he wasn't the consistent guy that you want.

642
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: That's his floor.

643
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna end up being higher than that,

644
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 5: and I think we've seen a steady improvement that, like

645
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 5: the way he plays is so special that it really

646
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 5: can create plays that even Drake May and Jane Daniels

647
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 5: can't make, and that he's in moving on all the

648
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 5: other stuff like players do because like they're young and

649
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 5: the experience is gonna help so to me situation, to me,

650
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 5: his ceiling still might be like as high as Jaden

651
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 5: and Drake Mays.

652
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that crazy to say.

653
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 5: I just think you have to base a pick like

654
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 5: this off of what we've seen so far, and their

655
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 5: ceilings are still sky high, and we've just seen I

656
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 5: think some of the next level processing and everything like

657
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 5: that more than Caleb Williams to this point.

658
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Speaker 2: But I think he.

659
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Speaker 5: I think Bears fans feel great about him now, maybe

660
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Speaker 5: significantly better than they did at the starting of the season.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong, Yeah, you know what.

662
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Speaker 4: You know how I know they're feeling better about it

663
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 4: because they're getting in my DMS more when I don't

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Speaker 4: rank them.

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Speaker 5: Okay, speaking of which, I am very curious. And this

666
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Speaker 5: is where it gets even more interesting. Who is number

667
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Speaker 5: four for you?

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Speaker 4: This is gonna be tough, but I would probably put

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Speaker 4: Bonnicks there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I did.

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Speaker 5: Too, and I had to like really look at myself

672
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Speaker 5: the mirror and say, is that just because I'm afraid

673
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Speaker 5: of the Broncos fans? And I haven't answered that question

674
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Speaker 5: in my soul because if it was my team, would

675
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Speaker 5: I really take bo Nicks over Pennex and JJ and Rattler.

676
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Speaker 2: I don't know, but.

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Speaker 3: At this point, for what he's done, I think I would.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

679
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Speaker 4: I am a firm believer that eventually they are going

680
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 4: to figure this out, that his lack of consistency, his

681
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 4: absolute disappearing acts until the fourth quarter of some of

682
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Speaker 4: these games, is just a product of them not quite

683
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Speaker 4: getting their bearings offensively, which doesn't make sense because Sean

684
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Speaker 4: this is not Sean Payton's first year there, it's not

685
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Speaker 4: his first year with bow Knicks, but there's been a

686
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Speaker 4: difference in offensive style.

687
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Speaker 3: It's almost like they've tried to force.

688
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Speaker 4: Themselves square peg into a round hole and they're now

689
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Speaker 4: starting to pull back on that and realize, maybe that's

690
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Speaker 4: not what we should do. Like last year, they would

691
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Speaker 4: roll bow out so much, get him out on the perimeter,

692
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Speaker 4: and that's where he was really good. You don't see

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Speaker 4: that intentionally nearly as much this year. I think there's

694
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Speaker 4: been more of a focus on the ground game, which

695
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Speaker 4: I think at times has limited their offense. It's just

696
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Speaker 4: like they have they don't know what they want to be,

697
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 4: and the lack of identity has held them back until

698
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 4: they absolutely need to turn it on. And I think

699
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Speaker 4: that in the moments in which he turns on, you

700
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 4: can see how special he can be. Can we see

701
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Speaker 4: it over at least a half or maybe three quarters.

702
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Speaker 4: I'm not even asking for all four quarters. That, combined

703
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Speaker 4: with what I saw from him last year, save for

704
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Speaker 4: the wild mistakes that he tended to make in the

705
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Speaker 4: back half of last year, makes me believe that he

706
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Speaker 4: can be there. His ceiling is not as high as

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Speaker 4: the first three guys we talked about, But I feel

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Speaker 4: better about guys that are no because of the product

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Speaker 4: that I've seen so far than Pennix or JJ McCarthy,

710
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Speaker 4: for example.

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Speaker 5: I think McCarthy probably has the highest ceiling of the

712
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Speaker 5: four remaining quarterbacks. I am including Rattler here, but bo

713
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Speaker 5: Nicks is turning twenty six in in February, and he's

714
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Speaker 5: just played a lot of football and he will continue

715
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Speaker 5: to improve, of course he will, but the fact that

716
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Speaker 5: he's played a lot of football, you do wonder, like

717
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Speaker 5: how how dramatic that improvement is going to be. Ultimately,

718
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Speaker 5: I did put him forth because I think he's proven

719
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Speaker 5: he's an NFL QB and and like that's a real thing,

720
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 5: Like he's an NFL starting quarterback. He's in a perfect

721
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 5: system for him right now, and there's every reason to

722
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Speaker 5: believe that he will be able to improve as he goes.

723
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Speaker 5: And ultimately, I think with the athleticism and frankly he's

724
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 5: made more impressive downfield throws consistently than Michael Pennix, McCarthy

725
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 5: is just a total wild card, and so we'll get

726
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Speaker 5: to him. I agree with you with bo at four

727
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Speaker 5: In the end, that's that's where I went. And it

728
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 5: wasn't just because I'm afraid of Broncos fans.

729
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: But no, you can come to Cleveland. I'm a man,

730
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Speaker 3: I'm thirty three. To quote Mike Gundy, Okay, it's five.

731
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Speaker 3: This is hard.

732
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Speaker 4: This is hard because are we talking about potentially? Are

733
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 4: we talking about product?

734
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Speaker 2: We're talking about a redraft.

735
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Speaker 5: So you're starting, so it's basically potential because you're starting

736
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Speaker 5: your Nick Shook League, your team, and you have him

737
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Speaker 5: for the next four years or whatever. You know, it's

738
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Speaker 5: a redraft, you're draft in him. Who do I got

739
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Speaker 5: for good? And that's why I say it's like interesting

740
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 5: bo versus JJ, for instance, because JJ is more of

741
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 5: the mystery box right now, but he is maybe a

742
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 5: little toolsy, a little toolsier. Pennix has the bigger arm

743
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 5: you like. I like how he carries himself. I like

744
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 5: a lot of the things about him, but I haven't

745
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Speaker 5: loved what's on the field as much.

746
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Speaker 2: So who is your your fifth guy? Now?

747
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: The mystery box could be anything. He'd even be a boat.

748
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Speaker 2: God.

749
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Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna go with McCarthy.

750
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Speaker 4: This goes against everything that I've felt about this class.

751
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 4: I felt McCarthy was overrated coming out of Michigan not well,

752
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 4: primarily because the whole thing about him was, Oh.

753
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: He's a winner. He's rarely ever lost. He does make

754
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: a lot of plays. He did it at Michigan.

755
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: He's done it at times in his very brief NFL

756
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 4: career so far, where he has the athleticism to take off,

757
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 4: run and and you know, pick up the key downs.

758
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 4: And I think that will benefit him over the course

759
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 4: of his career. It's just that, like, I have the

760
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: most recent performance in my brain right now, and it

761
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: burned my eyes watching that game against the Ravens, just

762
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 4: the missed throws, the.

763
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Speaker 5: This is your franchise for the next five yearsook?

764
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do you just took it. You just took him.

765
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Speaker 5: I was saying, here we go, Okay. I think that's

766
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 5: probably the right move. I wrote down Pennix ahead of

767
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Speaker 5: him because I think I'm sticking to my priors. I

768
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Speaker 5: think his floor is Okay, Michael Pennix, you do worry,

769
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 5: you know, you think about his early sample size last year,

770
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Speaker 5: and that looked really good right off the bat. Michael

771
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 5: Pennox and I think he quarterbacks are going to have

772
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 5: their ups and downs, and I think he's in a

773
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Speaker 5: little bit of a lull. His floor is higher JJ

774
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 5: right now. I just don't know from snap to snap

775
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 5: what's going to happen. And I do worry a little

776
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 5: bit because he has been in that building. Everyone's like, well,

777
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 5: it's his rookie years.

778
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Speaker 2: It's okay.

779
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Speaker 5: I mean you did get the benefit of being with

780
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Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell and being in an NFL building for a

781
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Speaker 5: year and a half. It's not exactly his his rook

782
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Speaker 5: I mean, I know Patrick Mahomes was on on the

783
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 5: field and everything, but he didn't play his rookie you know,

784
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 5: rookieyear Like I I just think, let's say he was

785
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 5: Drake May for instance, or he was Jayden Daniels, like

786
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 5: you would know it after that, you know, being in

787
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Speaker 5: the building and stuff like.

788
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, you know it in week two of the

789
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: rookie season.

790
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Speaker 2: That That's all I'm saying.

791
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Speaker 5: And so do you take what I think is with

792
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 5: Pennix a pretty a decent floor. Is he going to

793
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 5: be like at at the Dalton scale line, you know,

794
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 5: right in the middle, like that could be Michael Pennox's outcome. Obviously,

795
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 5: you hope hope for better because he does have limitations.

796
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 5: I don't love a quarterback that that's not consistently accurate.

797
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 5: And that's kind of what Pennix is right now. A

798
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 5: guy who can run pretty fast in a straight line.

799
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 5: That's not his his mo at all, But the once

800
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 5: or twice he does it, you're like, oh, you can

801
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 5: do that. You just want to see him do it more.

802
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 5: But it's just not natural for his game. It never was.

803
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 5: Whereas JJ McCarthy, I think is a better athlete and

804
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 5: plays with a little more aggress So I just changed

805
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 5: my pick. We haven't thrown the cart up. I am

806
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 5: taking Macarthy over Penix. Ultimately, I think I would think.

807
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: Ran out and did a lot of hem and haw,

808
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: And that's.

809
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 2: What I do.

810
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 5: If the clock ran out on me, like this podcast

811
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 5: would get canceled, you know too much, Honky, I'm taking

812
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 5: I'm taking JJ now. I tucked myself into it because

813
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 5: you know what, I don't want to aim for the

814
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 5: middle and I do. I'd rather flame out with Kyle

815
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 5: Bowler just hoping that that's hoping, hoping that it's actually

816
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson instead of just like aiming for I don't know,

817
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 5: someone else, yeah, yeah, instead of aiming for someone in

818
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 5: the middle. But I hope for more for Penix. I

819
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 5: guess that means Rattler is is seven for you.

820
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what, it's not a big gap.

821
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 4: I would love to see the Saints trade Spencer Rattler

822
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 4: to the Jets or the Browns and see how it works,

823
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 4: because I know he had a really hard crash and

824
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 4: burn those couple of games, but the tape before was

825
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 4: really encouraging and I was on board baby he is.

826
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Speaker 5: I mean, he was an older prospect too, but he's

827
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,959
Speaker 5: a little younger than Penix and Knicks, and I don't

828
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 5: think his tape was much worse than or much different

829
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 5: than Pennox and Knicks.

830
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 2: So maybe I'm buying, you know.

831
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 5: The the pre draft kind of hype that I'm just

832
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 5: grading off the draft even even now, because I don't

833
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 5: think his tape was much worse. The problem was he

834
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 5: wasn't quite aggressive enough for a guy that I think

835
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 5: would need to play that way. And when I'm saying

836
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 5: that size as a skill, like McCarthy and Pennex are

837
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 5: much more of the build and like the prototype of

838
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 5: what you want out of a quarterback compared to Raller.

839
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Speaker 2: So I'm I'm self hating here.

840
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 5: I'm picking on the short guys, you know, not the

841
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 5: Rallery short, but for a quarterback, you know relative.

842
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: I mean, there are there are shorter guys that are

843
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 4: still in the league and ones on ir right now.

844
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 3: That is a topic of conversation that we've talked about.

845
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 2: And he was a number one overall pick. That That's what.

846
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 5: I'm saying Patriots fans, like you can get all the

847
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 5: way up to the number one pick, and then you

848
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 5: can have Kyler Murray and you can be like not

849
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 5: totally sure about him six seven years later. Same thing

850
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 5: with like Justin I mean with Trevor Lawrence, or you know,

851
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 5: certainly with the Darnolds and even the Bakers in their

852
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 5: first spots. You know at times snow guarantee. We know now,

853
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 5: all right, we did it, Nick Schook, We had a

854
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 5: great show. Appreciate everyone checking out the TNF preview. We

855
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Speaker 5: will be back in the feed with my week eleven

856
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 5: picks with myself and Cynthia Freeland. By the way, we're

857
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 5: back in the studio here on a Thursday night. I

858
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 5: know that makes Chris Babona feel like a little more alive.

859
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 5: He doesn't like it when I go home.

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Speaker 2: When I'm I'm in the home studio.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Check out my picks six week witting streak right now

863
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 5: with the picks against the spread.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you there