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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nola.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Dylan the

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Speaker 4: Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you argue you are here.

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Speaker 4: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to September fourth. It's our listener mail program, which means,

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Speaker 4: you know, we got some vegas, Dylan, we need some

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Speaker 5: Hey, everyone, you could join us today.

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Speaker 2: We've got my pentagonal double prime campas in front of me,

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Speaker 2: but you can use whatever you want. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 6: Today, We're going to paint something that's just a lot

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Speaker 7: We're gonna take some red Scare Burgundy and mix it

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Speaker 7: with some Sasquatch brown.

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Speaker 2: I'll just put a big old wed a Baker Rent

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Speaker 5: Isn't that nice?

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Speaker 3: Well, let's go ahead and sign this one until next time.

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Speaker 5: Happy conspiracy's and mayanky bless you.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 6: So let's a Hey, Alan Poetry, stop it. Oh my god,

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Speaker 6: where's peapod? And the little squirrel in the pocket squirrel?

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Speaker 2: You must be hello, how subtle? Some of your effects

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Speaker 2: are stilling. Like you, you get the vibe of what

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Speaker 6: Least your eggs. Yeah, these these have re listenability potential

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like I g U, I I foresee a clip

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Speaker 4: episode in the future. This is amazing stuff. And speaking

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Speaker 4: of amazing stuff, we are going to hear from the

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Speaker 4: most important part of the show, you, specifically you. We

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Speaker 4: had a lot of feedback about the news of the

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Speaker 4: artificial womb technology being constructed over in China. We're going

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Speaker 4: to have some conversations about Stargate I think we're all

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Speaker 4: what say we pause for a second and come back

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Speaker 4: and maybe talk video games?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I say yay.

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Speaker 5: And we have returned.

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Speaker 6: And this message, this lovely thought experiment, comes from our

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Speaker 6: friend the Messenger, who we've heard from in the past.

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Speaker 6: So here we go. Good day from the Messenger. You're

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Speaker 6: welcome to use my pseudonym and message on the podcast.

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Speaker 6: Please edit as needed, as this is a long message,

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Speaker 6: absolutely not the messenger, or just ponder the gist of

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Speaker 6: what I'm laying out here. As always, I want to

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Speaker 6: let you know how much I appreciate what the three

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Speaker 6: of you do. Thank you so much for the Messenger.

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Speaker 6: We appreciate you too. I just recently listened to the

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Speaker 6: episode asking the question if we are living in a simulation.

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Speaker 6: While my ego forbids me to believe that this is

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Speaker 6: the messenger's message. One of my favorite games from the

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Speaker 6: around that. This is called a revelation. Are there other

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that you mentioned the Perfect Black Man

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Speaker 5: But that one kicked butt.

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Speaker 4: And to your question about Populous, Matt, I'd have to

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Speaker 2: I never played it. That was before my time really

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Speaker 4: It's dude, you need a barrier to access for sure.

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Speaker 4: If it's on mobile, then you're just like every every

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Speaker 5: Dude.

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Speaker 6: I did a Smurf's game like that many years ago,

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Speaker 5: Highly recommend that episode.

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Speaker 6: It was I remember when it came out. It was

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Speaker 4: And this also is an introduction, at least on my end. Guys,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, galaxy brain meme for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like our interview segment with the excellent Jorge

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Speaker 4: and ridiculous history. He's the creator show called Science Stuff,

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Speaker 3: From the Science Lab?

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: The little creatures by the way in the Black Mirror

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Speaker 5: Or less of the of the person controlling them.

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Speaker 6: There's an LSD involved, a bit of a crash out involved.

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Speaker 6: Oh and last thing, I just stumbled upon another Windows

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Speaker 2: And we've returned. I've got video games on the mind now, guys,

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Speaker 6: I'm thinking sorry, Roland Emeric. Is he was good like

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Speaker 7: they're all pretty much the same. So I believe in

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Speaker 7: the stargate theory. I believe that there's a race of

444
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Speaker 7: aliens that are shaped shifting into the gods, if you will.

445
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Speaker 7: And I believe that they actually heeded the planet. And

446
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 7: I believe that there's more than just us out there,

447
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 7: because otherwise, what a waste of space, according to several people,

448
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 7: including Carl Sagan. So I just thought I would let

449
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 7: you guys know that, Hey, anaok, you're cool. And the

450
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 7: gods from the Uh from the Egyptians are cool. And

451
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 7: I think the coolest goddess of all is FoST Pets

452
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Speaker 7: because cats rule man. Cats really due rule. Even though

453
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 7: I'm a dog person, I've got a cat. I live

454
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Speaker 7: on forty acres of undeveloped land and we have a

455
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Speaker 7: farm cat and hunting Smith's city, and she rules this place.

456
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Speaker 7: So thanks Matt, thanks guys for looking into the Anaachy

457
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Speaker 7: And let's go to stargate, guys. Let's go to Stargate.

458
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 7: It's it's gotta be real, okay, Bhi, guys, have a

459
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 7: good day.

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Speaker 2: Oh, let's go to Stargate.

461
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 5: Let's do it it?

462
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, with with James Spader, right, isn't it James Spader?

463
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 2: Yes, James Spader is definitely a part of Stargate. You've

464
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: also got some Kurt Russell and of course Jay Davidson,

465
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: who plays uh well, spoilers ahead here, but who plays

466
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 2: the god raw Slash, the creature entity crying game.

467
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Speaker 4: Yes, turn aenomenal acting and os Woman. Thank you so

468
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 4: much for reaching out when we when we realized that

469
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 4: we had not done a series on the aw Naki,

470
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 4: it was a light bulb moment for all of us,

471
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 4: and it's it's something that we I believe we still

472
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 4: reference it in later episodes. It's become the new mcguffin. Right, Well,

473
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 4: how did domestication occur?

474
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Speaker 5: And Naki?

475
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

476
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Speaker 4: Just just treat it like uh like, if you're on

477
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Speaker 4: a multiple choice quiz about any unanswered history, just put

478
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 4: maybe Ananaki as one of the options to click on.

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00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure, got a little bit of a gripe

480
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 2: about this, guys. We're referencing YouTube videos about Anu Naki

481
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Speaker 2: os Woman, and there are some great ones out there.

482
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Speaker 2: There's some videos that are chock full of information, it's

483
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 2: tough sometimes to know how much of it it is

484
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: is actually the information that you would find in a textbook,

485
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: information that you would find, you know, a scholar discussing.

486
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: There are some great YouTube videos of scholars who actually

487
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Speaker 2: know their stuff and will make videos, but often those videos, unfortunately,

488
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 2: and apologies in advance to any creators out there are

489
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: making these, these videos are like three hours five hours long,

490
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 2: and you're trying to sift through the information, and my god,

491
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: it is very very difficult, at least in my case,

492
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: to sit through some of the density that is represented

493
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Speaker 2: in that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how you would break

496
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: that apart unless you've made it into some kind of

497
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: college course, right were You just take it in bits

498
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 2: and pieces. And now we can really digest that for

499
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Speaker 2: a minute before we get into you know, the Egyptian

500
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Speaker 2: gods and Bassett and talk about key cats for a while.

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Speaker 5: Cats are the perfect organism.

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00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, more style.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I still haven't figured out whether or not

504
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 4: this is true or apocryphal, but you'll enjoy this os woman.

505
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 4: You've probably heard it, the old story about enemy forces

506
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 4: attempting to fight Egyptian forces and knowing that they adored

507
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Speaker 4: cats so much that it was a sin to kill them.

508
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 4: And for a little more detail here, From what we understand,

509
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 4: it was the Persians attacking the Egyptians, and the Persian

510
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 4: leader Kmzies the second said, look, all of your soldiers,

511
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Speaker 4: you need to paint an image of the goddess Bastet

512
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Speaker 4: on your shields, and he commanded all of his armies

513
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 4: to march into battle, walking behind or carrying different animals

514
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 4: that Egypt loved, dogs, sheep, and of course cats. This

515
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 4: was an unorthodox military strategy and for various reasons, you

516
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 4: could call it a catastrophe, just another random fact that

517
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Speaker 4: we can't fit into a regular show.

518
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 3: Uh.

519
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 4: The stargate thing is also it's fascinating because even before

520
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 4: and I'm sure we'll get to this matt, even before

521
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 4: the modern age interpretations or explorations of this idea, there

522
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 4: were things that were gosh, I just learned about this recently.

523
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 4: There were things that were kind of predecessors for the

524
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 4: idea of a stargate. I'm thinking in particular, something called

525
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 4: porta alchemica or the alchemical door. Did you guys know

526
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 4: about this magic door?

527
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 6: Awesome thing in the alchemical door give me a break,

528
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 6: Sign me up.

529
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: Is it a portal? Are we talking? Are we getting

530
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: in Marvel territory here?

531
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: It feels like it, right, We haven't been.

532
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 4: The last surviving one is over in Italy. The Porta

533
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 4: alchemica is a kind of alchemical door or magic portal

534
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 4: that was built in the late sixteen hundreds, right.

535
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: And we don't know if it works.

536
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 4: We haven't been, But I think people have always been

537
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 4: looking for something like that, you know, like the staircase

538
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 4: in the middle of the woods. Yeah, some sort of

539
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: passage to a different plane.

540
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Well, let's break down stargate just a

541
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: teeny tiny bit, you guys, Because there is the titular stargate,

542
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: which is this semi rounded gate that has a bunch

543
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: of symbols on it. It's huge, and it opens up

544
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: this poor alchemical portal like thing. Right. It looks as

545
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: though it's water on the other side or something. Maybe

546
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: the portal itself is made of some kind of special

547
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: magical water and it is designed to be a gateway

548
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: to it an entirely different place on an entirely different planet.

549
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: You just go through that gateway. Now you're in that place.

550
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: The other thing that's happening in this film is there

551
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: is a spaceship that is in the form of a

552
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: pyramid and uses the pyramid to like land on top

553
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: of it as a landing space, which is a very

554
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: interesting concept that you got the two of those together.

555
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: You've got a race of creatures that uses a stargate,

556
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: came through a stargate at some point, but now also

557
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: has a giant spaceship made out of the minerals that

558
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: were used to mine. You know that humanity was enslaved

559
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: to mine for a while there, at least according to

560
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: the film. It's a very complicated system. It's not just

561
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: aliens coming through a gate or something. It's also aliens

562
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: coming through a gate and then being somewhere some other place,

563
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: only to return after where the stargate is opened again.

564
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a lot to take in, guys.

565
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: I think it's cool.

566
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: I am.

567
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 4: I am very much Fox Molder on this. I want

568
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 4: to believe. We haven't seen it proven yet, but the

569
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 4: story the mythos definitely resounds throughout human civilization, right like

570
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 4: even if you are a comic book nerd and look

571
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 4: at the stories of in Saba ner known as apocalypse, right,

572
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 4: who is one of the oldest mutants but also has

573
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 4: access to celestial technology. He's an ancient Egyptian, right, Isn't

574
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 4: that that's the idea? He's like a pyramid energy again

575
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 4: of stuff.

576
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 5: I remember that.

577
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 4: So maybe, just maybe we're not committing to this one

578
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: hundred percent, but just possibly there's a reason why such

579
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 4: similar stories have been shared for so long across so

580
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 4: many cultures.

581
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: Hmm, maybe there really is a stargate somewhere we can

582
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: go yeah together.

583
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 4: Please God, let's yeah, Earth is cooked, you know what

584
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 4: I mean. Let's let's go ahead and see what their

585
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 4: migration process is like and what a galactic visa is

586
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 4: or entails.

587
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: You know, we need to hear from Jay Davidson. I

588
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: feel like Jay knows. J knows like they had to

589
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: get in that sarcophagus thing that was also a spaceship

590
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: that was also a healing thing.

591
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: Come on, they know reach out and we love multifunctional technology,

592
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: don't we.

593
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 2: We like, Oh yeah, guys, we got another message. I'm

594
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: not going to play it from Headmaster specifically talking about

595
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: data centers and a very got the specificity. I just

596
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: don't understand it, guys, But it's a specific Nvidia chip

597
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: that there's some kerfuffle in the news right now with

598
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: the tariff stuff going on with the tensions between the

599
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: US and China. But this H twenty chip that is

600
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: apparently amazing. But then there's also this new Chinese version

601
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: this out performing this in video one that supposedly be

602
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: supposedly like the best thing for AI. There's all kinds

603
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: of stuff coming up, but he specifically called us about that,

604
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: and I think it's maybe something we can bring up

605
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: in a future strange news or maybe play the whole

606
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: message so we can wrap our heads around it, because

607
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: I don't understand any of it at this point, but

608
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: something to keep in our minds. The who is creating

609
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: these chips? As we've talked about the big chip conspiracy

610
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: right in the past, Now who's making them? Why is

611
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: it so important? And then what are the politics involved

612
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: with all of that? And then do those chips actually

613
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: translate to political and military might?

614
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 4: And why are pring goals technically not chips? There are

615
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 4: a lot of serious.

616
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: Questions talking about computer chips, computering chips. All right, Well,

617
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: that's it for this same We'll be right back with

618
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: more messages from you, Thank you os woman. Maybe there

619
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: really is a stargate somewhere that we can go there

620
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: to Kevin.

621
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: And we have returned.

622
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 4: As we said at the top, we were grateful for

623
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 4: the correspondence we received regarding the news of the nascent

624
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 4: artificial womb, and we discussed this at length. To be clear,

625
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 4: it hasn't happened yet. The technology per the creators is

626
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: there and is viable. However, they're going to have to

627
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: get through some regulatory barriers. They're also going to have

628
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: to get through some perhaps ethical barriers. So here's one

629
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Speaker 4: of the responses we had and I think we can all.

630
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Speaker 4: I think this is something worth us investigating together. This

631
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 4: message is from Poodle Crab. Hello again, guys, longtime listener

632
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 4: Watcher written in a few times. Being a forty nine

633
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: year old woman with three daughters in their twenties, living

634
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 4: in our current political climate where the rights of women

635
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 4: and pregnancy capable people feel like they're being eroded more

636
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 4: all the time. This idea, again, of the artificial womb,

637
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 4: scares the crap out of me. After your discussion, I

638
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 4: can agree that if used ethically, this could be a

639
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 4: miracle for those who cannot get pregnant or cannot carry

640
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: a pregnancy to term. But when do corporations and governments

641
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: ever only act ethically? Good question, Good question, brutal crab.

642
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 4: You continue, you say, I can think of several dystopian

643
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: ways they can make things so much worse. Imagine being

644
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 4: a pregnant person going in for an abortion procedure, and

645
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 4: without your consent, they instead harvest the intact fetus and

646
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: put it in an artificial womb. The company can make

647
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 4: money off the woman paying for the procedure, then grow

648
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 4: the fetus to term and sell it to a couple

649
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 4: wanting to adopt. This is deep water, black mirror stuff.

650
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 4: What do you guys think as we pause there?

651
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 6: You know, this is the type of thing that was

652
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 6: sort of giving me pause when we first were talking

653
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 6: about the story when you brought it in, Like, it

654
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 6: seems like it could be really beneficial to some people,

655
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 6: But it also seems like to your point and to

656
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 6: the listener's point, there's really never a world where there

657
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 6: isn't some plotting of how to take this to the

658
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 6: most egregiously commercial bizarro, you know, eugenic c type level imaginable.

659
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are ripple effects, right, and consequences, And the

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Speaker 4: closest thing that we could rationally have to evaluate in

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Speaker 4: the future here is to look at past precedent.

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Speaker 5: Right when has a.

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Speaker 4: Corporation said, will lose a lot of money so that

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Speaker 4: we can be on the right side of history, right,

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Speaker 4: or when as a government denied itself some kind of

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Speaker 4: You continue, poodle Crab by saying, what about all those

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Speaker 4: very young girls we keep hearing about in the news

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Speaker 4: that are being forced to give birth because they weren't

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Speaker 4: able to get an abortion. Someone could offer this service

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Speaker 4: to extract the fetus in a less invasive procedure and

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Speaker 4: grow it in an artificial womb, so this person wouldn't

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Speaker 4: have to go through the possibly life threatening traumatic event

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Speaker 4: of carrying a pregnancy and delivering it. But this could

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Speaker 4: only happen if the family could afford whatever price it

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Speaker 4: would cost, because keep in mind, we're talking about US healthcare, right,

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Speaker 4: We're talking about the artificial womb technology applied here in

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Speaker 4: the States. And then, of course, poodle Crab, you bring

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Speaker 4: up the terrifying history of forced sterilizations that have occurred

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Speaker 4: in the not too distant past, And he said, what

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Speaker 4: if a pregnant person goes in for a medical consultation

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Speaker 4: and the government decides for some reason they're not someone

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Speaker 4: who can have a child, and then they extract the

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Speaker 4: fetus and grow it in an artificial womb. And we're

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Speaker 4: going to be paraphrasing a lot of this just for time.

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Speaker 4: I want to get to one last point you shared

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Speaker 4: with us, Poodle Crab, he said. One last thing I

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Speaker 4: thought of would be that if babies are being sold

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Speaker 4: from the artificial wombs for adoption, I can see how

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Speaker 4: that would negatively impact the foster care system. The parents

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Speaker 4: are not able to have abortions, but could sign over

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Speaker 4: their parental rights to the artificial womb company while the

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Speaker 4: fetus is not yet even viable. Then when it's grown

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Speaker 4: to term, adoptive parents would have a much more secure

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Speaker 4: process of adoption and they wouldn't have to be scared

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Speaker 4: that the birth parents were going to come back and

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Speaker 4: change their minds. That's kind of frightening, right, I mean,

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Speaker 4: the foster system already is very messed up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, agreed.

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Speaker 6: I don't have a whole lot to add because there

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Speaker 6: are just a lot of unforeseen knock on things that

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Speaker 6: could occur with this kind of technology that honestly I'm

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Speaker 6: not even sure how far it could go, but it

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Speaker 6: is interesting that I think we all sort of took

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Speaker 6: a little moment to be like, ooh.

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Speaker 5: There's something a little off about this.

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Speaker 6: Despite the potential benefits, it just seems like a kind

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Speaker 6: of weird, you know, dystopian future nightmare scenario somewhere down

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Speaker 6: the line occur.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, let's go full nightmare. Okay, So let's say

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Speaker 2: all of these new anti abortion laws are on the books,

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Speaker 2: all of the rights are taken away. If if someone

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Speaker 2: finds themselves pregnant but they don't want to have that baby,

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Speaker 2: it is fully against the law for them to do

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Speaker 2: anything about that unless there is this program where you

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Speaker 2: can donate your baby do it, and it is. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of like an adoption. It looks like an adoption

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Speaker 2: service on the front, it looks like that kind of thing,

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Speaker 2: but in actuality, they're building an army of sorts, these

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Speaker 2: children that they're growing in some sort of eleven style

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Speaker 2: lab right, where they're building something horrifying.

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Speaker 4: With clone wars of umat perhaps editing genome genetic material. Right,

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Speaker 4: And I love your reference. They're all about clone wars.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, possible, you wouldn't even need you could just

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Speaker 2: make the clones. Now, you could just grown in these

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Speaker 2: artificial wombs.

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Speaker 6: Now, you know, just because you mentioned the gene editing thing,

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Speaker 6: I just thought it might be a quick moment to

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Speaker 6: just say that we were recently talking about some research

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Speaker 6: going on in Japan around gene editing and crisper technology

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Speaker 6: to remove the gene responsible for children being born with

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Speaker 6: Down syndrome, and I think we all were on board

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Speaker 6: with the idea of, you know, this kind of technology

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Speaker 6: potentially removing a condition that could be make life more

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Speaker 6: difficult for some, you know, people that have it. But

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Speaker 6: I think it was also important to look at the

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Speaker 6: flip side of it and acknowledge that there are people

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Speaker 6: living with that condition that live very full and happy

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Speaker 6: and resourceful lives. And there was no sense of the

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Speaker 6: idea of erasure of anyone that certainly exists currently and

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Speaker 6: is living with that condition. But I think with these

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Speaker 6: kind of discussions there's always this whiff of eugenics floating

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Speaker 6: around that can cause people to be triggered by the

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Speaker 6: idea of what is considered undesirable and what is considered desirable,

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Speaker 6: and what does that mean for people existing that have

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Speaker 6: these conditions or are these you know, certain traits. It's

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Speaker 6: just you know what I mean, guys. I'm sure, I

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Speaker 6: hope I'm not being too rambly. I just know that

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Speaker 6: it occurred to me when you were talking about the

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Speaker 6: nightmare scenario and the gene editing and the.

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Speaker 4: Flip side of all of this technology. Yeah, well said.

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Speaker 4: And we want to thank everybody who wrote in with

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Speaker 4: such substantive commentary and replies there, and we want to

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Speaker 4: thank you for your time because every time you write

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Speaker 4: into us, folks, you or contact us through whatever means,

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Speaker 4: you help this show improve. And we couldn't be happier

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Speaker 4: that you are here. We had a tight five on

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Speaker 4: the cracker Barrel logo change, but we're going to save

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Speaker 4: that because it's still too soon and it got changed back.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about it, man.

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Speaker 6: I mean, boy, oh boy, some people in government really

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Speaker 6: turned up the heat on cracker Barrel. Made him squirm,

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Speaker 6: and I mean it is. It is funny though, because

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Speaker 6: it does seem like such a tone deaf thing. The

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Speaker 6: new logo looked way too clean and way too long, techy,

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Speaker 6: super boring, and it's like, if anything, that's a brand

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Speaker 6: that is all about nostalgia.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it reminded me.

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Speaker 4: It was like the graphic design version of Rick Rubin,

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Speaker 4: just you know, when he's producing with folks and he

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Speaker 4: keeps telling him to take separate elements out of a track.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And so the graphic designers got paid and they walked around.

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Speaker 4: They must have had an amazing pitch meeting.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 6: It's just a great example of like someone not understanding

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Speaker 6: what makes their brand likable in the first place.

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Speaker 4: The emperor has no clothes, the barrel has no crackers.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, thanks for coming to this annual McDonald's meeting.

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Speaker 2: First order of business, we're getting rid of a big

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Speaker 2: m Yeah, we're just gonna get rid of that. What

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Speaker 2: do you think? Good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And everyone's like, this guy's a genius. We hope

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Speaker 4: so because we already paid him.

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Speaker 3: I like class.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Check out our pal Josh Johnson, who's just been doing

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Speaker 4: some excellent work in the realm of comedy and commentary.

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Speaker 4: He's got a great bit a piece on on the

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Speaker 4: cracker barrel logo thing. Uh, we'd love to hear your

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Speaker 4: thoughts on it. We'd also love to hear your thoughts

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Speaker 4: on everything we have discussed here. We always working on

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Speaker 4: being positive. So we always want to end on some

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Speaker 4: good news. And guys, I was going to save this

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Speaker 4: for strange news, but heck, let's do it now.

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Speaker 5: Tend down and up. No.

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Speaker 4: Remember our favorite film, Rebel Moon. Yeah, humble Farmer, humble

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Speaker 4: Farmer of humble Farmer fame. Well, Rebel Moon didn't quite

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Speaker 4: get to where. I'm sure we were all one hundred

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Speaker 4: percent hoping it would go as a franchise.

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Speaker 2: The sixth movie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but just so.

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Speaker 4: But there is a comic book adaptation out now that

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Speaker 4: continues the story, so all is not lost.

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Speaker 5: I just want to know more about the humble farmer

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Speaker 5: of it all.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he's a humble farmer.

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Speaker 2: I just want sixty percent fewer characters, and I would

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Speaker 2: be so in.

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Speaker 3: More humble farmers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, let's let's shake it up, just like Saturday

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Speaker 4: Night Live keeps adding people to their cast.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, is it getting bigger for this?

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Speaker 4: It was minus four plus five. They grew by one,

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Speaker 4: and we wish everybody the best.

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Speaker 2: Is Keenan still there?

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Speaker 3: Of course, Keenan, Come on, man, then.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 3: We're going to have.

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Speaker 5: Keenan as long as he wants to be there.

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Speaker 4: An anchor in these chaotic times. Sure, thank you Keatan and.

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Speaker 2: Josh Johnson of The Daily Show. Correct.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's joining the class. But Josh Johnson

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Speaker 4: has been working on The Daily Show.

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Speaker 5: Whatever, I had a kid from those short videos.

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 5: You will Destroy You or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben Marshall's gloop.

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Speaker 5: I think he gets added. He did time cast member.

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Speaker 5: I like you.

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Speaker 2: We don't work for Josh Johnson, but he will be

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Speaker 2: at the cob Energy Performing Arts Center on September twenty

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Speaker 2: six and twenty seven, which is right over here. Guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, tell him we sent you and be like,

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Speaker 4: oh my gosh, you know those guys.

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Speaker 3: The opposite is true.

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Speaker 2: Shown I just found the video where Josh talks about

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Speaker 2: cracker Barrel and I'm gonna watch it as soon as

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