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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number telling the show.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be discussing a topic that's been weighing

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Speaker 1: heavily on me over the past week. This is the

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Speaker 1: story of my hunt for the buck known as Jawbreaker,

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Speaker 1: and lessons learned from losing the deer. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired Hunt podcast. And i gotta say, for

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Speaker 1: the first time ever, I'm actually not looking forward to

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Speaker 1: recording this episode. Fact of kind of been dreading it. Um.

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Speaker 1: But with that being said, me and Dan are here

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Speaker 1: today to talk about white tails, and so the show

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Speaker 1: will go on regardless regardless of how I feel or

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Speaker 1: how excited or I'm not am at this point. So, so, Dan,

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Speaker 1: how are you. I'm I'm doing um better than you probably, Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm not at work. And uh, a cold front, well

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Speaker 1: it's not a cold front, but it's gonna warm up

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Speaker 1: tomorrow and Saturday. But a rainstorm just kind of came

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Speaker 1: through the area. And I'd rather be no offense to

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Speaker 1: you because you're a great guy, Mark, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: but I'd rather be in a tree stand if I could.

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Speaker 1: I don't blame you at all. It's funny you should

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Speaker 1: talk to me about this because I wanted to hunt

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Speaker 1: tonight too. We could have, we could have figured it out.

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Speaker 1: It's just unfortunate my hunting properties an hour away, so

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to anyway. Yeah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: that does make things a little more difficult. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get a little bit of a cold front, not

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Speaker 1: not much cool front, but a little bit of cooler

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Speaker 1: temperature still tonight until it warms up over the next

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Speaker 1: couple of days. So I was thinking there might be

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Speaker 1: a chance at getting now, but probably not. Probably gonna

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Speaker 1: be putting things on hold here for a few three

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Speaker 1: or four days. It's going to be in like the

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Speaker 1: sixties and seventies actually over here. So I'm actually, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, from all the other podcasts that we've done,

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Speaker 1: I started following the moon phases a little closer, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I think today, Tomorrow, and Saturday are supposed to be

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Speaker 1: excellent deer movement days based on the moon phase. Interesting,

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Speaker 1: so I am going to be hunting Friday night, Saturday morning,

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Speaker 1: Saturday night and Sunday morning, and uh, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: hopefully I see some movement and uh that that whole

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Speaker 1: moon phase is intriguing to me, and I'd like to

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Speaker 1: get a little bit more information and do my own

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Speaker 1: research and and just get out even in these warmer temperatures,

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Speaker 1: see if something moves. And I set up the first

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Speaker 1: time I've ever set up a mock scrape this weekend,

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Speaker 1: and I got true camera over by it, and I

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Speaker 1: want to see how it did over the past week. Nice,

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Speaker 1: you'll definitely have some pictures on that that has That

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Speaker 1: tactic has worked wonders for me forgetting forgetting pictures. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you use it a lot. Yeah, pretty much every year

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Speaker 1: for the last like three or four years, I've been

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Speaker 1: making mock scrapes and putting my cameras on them, and um,

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Speaker 1: like clockwork. But that's where I'm getting picks. So I

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Speaker 1: got one of those mag the brand names Magnum, and

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Speaker 1: you hang it from the tree and it drips the

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Speaker 1: set down just a little bit at a time, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I just for giggles, I guess I bought one and

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Speaker 1: put it up in a in a pinch point and

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Speaker 1: uh that's easy to check and we'll see. I guess

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. So cool, keep me posted. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for you get a hunting this weekend too.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna hunt at all. But my

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Speaker 1: buddy Corey just drove down to southern Ohio this morning

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Speaker 1: and he already and it's it's four twenty Eastern time

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Speaker 1: there's a really nice two year old ten point or

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Speaker 1: chasing a door around. So you know, that's a good

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Speaker 1: sign that the younger bucks are are pushing them around.

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Speaker 1: And before you know it, in a couple of days

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Speaker 1: or a week or so, we're gonna start seeing some

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Speaker 1: bigger boys on their feet. So can you hey, can

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Speaker 1: you hear that? Hear what the train the rut train

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Speaker 1: at coming? Yeah? I wasn't sure where you're going with that. Now.

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Speaker 1: Is this the same property where a jawbreaker was that? No,

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Speaker 1: this isn't. He's actually on a farm about a mile

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Speaker 1: am on these podcasts. Um. You know, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: So today I thought we would walk through the whole

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Speaker 1: story of Jawbreaker, the whole story of the final hunt,

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Speaker 1: and then what happened afterwards, um, and then kind of

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Speaker 1: where we're at now and where how I'm moving forward.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's the plan. Um, Dan, you know, feel

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Speaker 1: free to to grow me as we go along, if

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Speaker 1: you've got any other questions and whatnot. And hopefully coming

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Speaker 1: after minute, I'll probably um, this is my therapy session,

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna let it out. Um, it's still pretty fresh.

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Speaker 1: It was just one week ago, um from today, just

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you something real quick. No matter

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Speaker 1: a dough it it really you never really get over it,

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Speaker 1: especially if it's a a caliber buck like Jawbreaker was

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Speaker 1: I've had I've had two incidences now in my life

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Speaker 1: grab some tissues or something. No tissues. This should be

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Speaker 1: a tissue free podcast. But I do have um my beverage,

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Speaker 1: and today it was a two beverage podcast so so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: beverage podcasts. So I guess with that said, Dan, do

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Speaker 1: what's here about? Job Breaker? All right? So the story

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Speaker 1: of job Breakers started last year. UM. I had been

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Speaker 1: been wanting to secure something a little more, um, just

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Speaker 1: We had some issues with a number of other guys

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Speaker 1: search for a lease. UM. To make a long story short,

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Speaker 1: it kind of fell upon this property on acquaintance of mine.

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Speaker 1: He just so happened to have heard of this lease

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Speaker 1: like a couple of days beforehand checked it out in

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Speaker 1: the end of July. This is the very last minute,

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Speaker 1: after lease after opportunity after opportunity kept falling through. UM

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Speaker 1: definitely something that has potential. And um, we bumped several

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Speaker 1: And then we didn't come back again until October seventh,

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Speaker 1: he was just this giant. He looked like a big

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Speaker 1: Just I couldn't get over his body, says Um. In

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Speaker 1: the end, he ended up getting to within seventy yards,

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Speaker 1: but never quite closed. You know, that final twenty thirty

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Speaker 1: I couldn't get a shot him. But that night I

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Speaker 1: dubbed him job Breaker, and we checked trail cameras that

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Speaker 1: night after the hunt and had a bunch of pictures

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Speaker 1: So that was my first encounter with him, and ever

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Speaker 1: since then, he's been the biggest deer I've been after

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Speaker 1: across all my farms in Ohio and Michigan, and definitely

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Speaker 1: So he was top of my list. Something a deer

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about every day every time I went

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Speaker 1: job Breaker's How old was he? Yeah? So my of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, you never know for sure, but about as

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Speaker 1: sure as I could get ever on a deer last year,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty darn sure he was at least five and

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Speaker 1: a half. I mean, his body screamed very, very mature.

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Speaker 1: my estimate was that this year six and a half.

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Speaker 1: or even if it was southwest from where that stand was,

430
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 1: that wind would blow either towards him or towards one

431
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: of the other areas where there's there should be deer

432
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: a number of deer bed in this larger betting area.

433
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: So the only way I thought I could get away

434
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: with it is if I had a south southwest or

435
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: excuse me, south southwest, so just enough west that he

436
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: would still be better there, but enough south that my

437
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: wind would blow up north of where he was at

438
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: and I could get in there safely. So I'm seeing

439
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: all these conditions, I'm saying, Wow, maybe I just need

440
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: to I need to go for it. And usually I'm

441
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that I plan everything well ahead

442
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 1: of time. So I know when I'm going to Ohio,

443
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: and two days beforehand, I'm starting to pack or I'm

444
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: starting to make my plan or whatever. But here I

445
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: am that morning and I'm thinking, you know what, I

446
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: just gotta go for it. So I went and talk

447
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: to my wife and she's like, yeah, go for it.

448
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: So I literally, between nine thirty and ten, I ran

449
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: around like a crazy person, like literally sprinting around my house,

450
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: grabbing stuff, trying to pack my bags, trying to pack

451
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: all my gear up, taking a shower, packing a lunch,

452
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 1: trying to get all this stuff together. I'm in the

453
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: car by ten oh five and I'm hauling butt down

454
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: the highway to Ohio to hopefully get there by three

455
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: o'clock in the afternoon to sneak into the tree stand

456
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: to kill Dropbreaker that night. I hope you obeyed the

457
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 1: speed limits. Man, It's really funny you mentioned that, because well,

458
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: I did sort of obey the speed limits, but come home.

459
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: After all this stuff happens, I came home. I'll say

460
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: this for later, Okay, just remind me to talk about

461
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: the speeding thing a little later. So I'm going as

462
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: fastly as I legally can down to Ohio. I get

463
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: there in time, I get settled up, sneak in their

464
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: perfect conditions. A little bit of light, rain, a little

465
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: bit of wind. I mean, well, walk through the standing cornfield.

466
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: Nothing's gonna smell me, nothing's gonna see me, nothing's gonna

467
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: hear me. I get up in the tree stand and

468
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm pumped. Like I'm feeling about as confident as I

469
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: ever have that I could kill a buck in the

470
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: middle of October, like I feel like he is there.

471
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 1: Long story short, I didn't see a single deer that night.

472
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: I did not see job breaker. He did not go

473
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: the way I wanted to. But still I felt really

474
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: good about You know, this was like a really this

475
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: was a drone strike. I had a very targeted reason

476
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: to be there. I had everything lined up, and I

477
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: thought I could go and for the kill. And I

478
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: did it, and I pulled it off to a degree.

479
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: At least, well, I didn't pull it off, but at

480
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,239
Speaker 1: least I didn't spook anything. I didn't muck things is up.

481
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: I was able to get in and out perfectly fine

482
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: as far as I know. So that said, my plan

483
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: was to go home or started to go to the

484
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: hotel room. I was going to work through the night,

485
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: try to catch up on some stuff, and then wake

486
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: up early the next morning, drive home, get back to work.

487
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. It's the middle of October. I wasn't

488
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: planning a hunting too hard. I was just gonna get

489
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: back into the swing of things. So I wake up

490
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: in the morning, pack up my stuff, throwing the truck,

491
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: start driving home. I'm on the highway for about twenty minutes,

492
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: thirty minutes maybe, and I get in the traffic jam,

493
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: like standstill traffic, and I'm just sitting there. And now

494
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and my mind starts wandering, and I

495
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: start thinking, Man, what's the weather right now for here

496
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: in Ohio? I look at the weather again, and it's

497
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: not too warm. How the wind's not too bad. Started thinking, jeez,

498
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: I came all the way down here. Maybe I should

499
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: try to give it one more shot, Like what you know,

500
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: what's the worst you could do? So then I started thinking, Okay,

501
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: what's the what's the cost benefit analysis here? So what's

502
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: the potential reward I could get of doing another hunt?

503
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: What's the potential risk of doing another hunt down here?

504
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: I um long story short, I got to thinking, you

505
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 1: know what, the winds pretty good for me to still

506
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: hunt that same bed where I think job breakers. But

507
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: I just need to go to the other side of it.

508
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: But maybe by going to the other side of it,

509
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: I'll actually be catching where he was moving yesterday that

510
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: I didn't see him. And with a straight west wind,

511
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: he's even more likely to be better where I think

512
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: he'll be because that's the perfect wind for him. I

513
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: just need to get below it. So all these things

514
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: are going through my head. I finally decided, you know what,

515
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: screw it, I'm going back. So I turned the truck around.

516
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: I called my wife, explained to her what I'm thinking

517
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: about doing. She gives me her blessing. I drive down

518
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: to a coffee shop and burned some time. They're doing

519
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: some work before I go hunt, and um I actually

520
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: post on the wire doun on Facebook page, trying to

521
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,239
Speaker 1: get everyone's opinions on what I should do too, and

522
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm luckily the wire dont Nation agreed with me. They

523
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: liked the idea of staying around for another hunt. So

524
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: I look, I have dreamed through those I'm pretty sure

525
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: of the people said to hunt. There were there were

526
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: a couple of Debbie Downers who said, no, but you

527
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: just deleted him from your likes, right, Yeah, because I know,

528
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: but but yeah, it was It was good to see

529
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: that everyone was was in agreeance with what I was

530
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: doing there. So head back around two o'clock back to

531
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: the farm, pack up again, head out to the tree

532
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: and now I'm hunting another stand. But like I said,

533
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: same general betting are just on the back side of it.

534
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: Took a really long route around to get there so

535
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: that I would make sure that my wind wasn't blowing

536
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: into this betting ears to make sure I was staying

537
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: away from any potential spot I might spook a deer um.

538
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: So eventually got to that tree stand, and like I

539
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: mentioned a little earlier, this is a stand that I'd

540
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: hunted before when i'd seen job breaker. This is also

541
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: a stand where my buddy Josh killed his big buck

542
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: last year. And this is also the first tree stand

543
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: that I had hung last year. The day after I

544
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: saw the lease, I saw the spot and said, yep,

545
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: we need to stand right here, and my intuition was

546
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: not too bad since now we've shot two deer out

547
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: of there. So this stand, like I said, is on

548
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: a finger that extends of a betting era excuse me,

549
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: extends out of a betting her, and these deer take

550
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: the betting. They leave the betting her head down this finger,

551
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: heading towards a bunch of crop fields to the south.

552
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: So I'm hung up there expecting job breaker to appear

553
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: from my north, and I have a west wind that's

554
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: blowing my wind out across a valley behind me. So

555
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: I sat there from probably three thirty till and I

556
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: had not seen a single deer. So at this point

557
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: it's started and get a little bit darker where I know.

558
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm down to the last twenty or so minutes of daylight,

559
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: and I filmed a quick interview talking about the fact

560
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: that I hadn't seen any deer yesterday and I hadn't

561
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: seen any deer yet today, so it was kind of

562
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: feeling bummed about that, but hoping for maybe a little

563
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: luckier in the last few minutes. I shot the camera

564
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: down and I just can't, you know, start slowly scanning

565
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: around me for a couple of minutes, and as I

566
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: scanned to my right, all of a sudden, twenty yards

567
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: away from me, my eyes registered deer, and then a

568
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: second later, my eyes registered buck, and then I'm like, oh,

569
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: that's a shooter buck. And then all of a sudden

570
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: it hit me, Oh my lord, that's job breaker. He's

571
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: twenty yards away in the wide open right next to me.

572
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: What he must have done was he must have been

573
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: in that ravine that's next to me, and it was

574
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: windy enough I couldn't you couldn't hear anything walking around.

575
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: He must have been that ravine and just popped up

576
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: right out of that. And when I turned my head,

577
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: he popped up right next to me. Watched a few steps,

578
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: and there he was. So he's twenty yards away, right

579
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: in line with me. So I can't move. I'm frozen.

580
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: I wait, I wait. He's turns, starts walking back behind me,

581
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: goes behind a tree. As soon as he steps behind

582
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: this tree, I stand up. I start turning. I'm starting

583
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: to turn. I grabbed my camera, turn on the camera

584
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: and get it into the general direction that he is walking. Now,

585
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: this area that I'm hunting, this little finger, it's got

586
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 1: about a forty yard wide clearing on the top of

587
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: this point where it's grass and a handful of small trees.

588
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: But it's relatively and I can get shots. But as

589
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: soon as he crosses this forty yard wide clearing, he

590
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: goes into the timber on the other side. So in

591
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: my head, I'm thinking I need to get a shot

592
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: at him before he gets to the other side of timber.

593
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: And he's crossing like he's going to go back into

594
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: the woods. So I get the camera on him. My

595
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: bow is hung up on the opposite side of the tree,

596
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: so it takes me a few seconds to get the

597
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: camera on him. Now I have to do a three

598
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: and sixty degree spin around the tree. I get there,

599
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: I see, okay, he's not looking at me yet. Now

600
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: I can reach from my bow. By the time I

601
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: get the bow in hand, I'm ready almost. He has

602
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: now crossed the entire clearing and he is right at

603
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: the edge of the timber, scratching himself, about one or

604
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: two steps away from being behind some branches. So at

605
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: this point he's about to take another step. I draw

606
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: back into a drawback my bow. I let out a

607
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: bleat to stop him because he's now stepping past these limbs.

608
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: He's stepping right to the last body of potential to

609
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: shoot him. And all this, you know, all this happens

610
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: in like fifteen or twenty seconds. You know. Um, as

611
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 1: I draw back, I get to full draw. After I bleed,

612
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: he stops. My peep site didn't open. So now I'm

613
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: messing around the peep site with the side of my

614
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: jaw trying to open up my peep site. I finally

615
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: get my peep side open. I get on him, and

616
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: by this time, like I said, um, it happens so fast,

617
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: and I'm worried if it takes one more step, I

618
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: don't have a shot. Set the pins on him, let

619
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: her go. I can see in my mind's eye, I

620
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: see the arrow hit what looks like center mass on

621
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: the deer, up and down but back. He bounds off

622
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: about forty yards with his tail tucked, stops, turns and

623
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 1: looks back at me. I assume the camera on him

624
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: at this point can see him. He looks at me

625
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: for a few seconds and then bounces back off from

626
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: the woods. So at that point I know that I

627
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: hit him, but I feel pretty sure that it's it's

628
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: a back on him. I don't really know why the

629
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: shot went back, um, but I know it's back. So

630
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: I waited about half hour or forty minutes, get down

631
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: from my tree, going to true my arrow. I found

632
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: the arrow and some hair and a little bit of

633
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: blood at the shot site. In the arrow, there's no

634
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: stomach matter, there's no green stuff, there's no stink um.

635
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised by that. And there's decent blood.

636
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: So now I'm thinking, well, maybe I got a liver,

637
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: maybe maybe something like that. So I decided either way,

638
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sneak out of there. I'm not going to

639
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: push it at all. If this deer is gut shot,

640
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: I want to make sure to let him bed down

641
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: and not be spooked, and hopefully I will come back

642
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: in the morning he'll be right there. So I sneak

643
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: out of there the opposite direction, get back to my truck,

644
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: go back to the hotel room. And so that's where

645
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: things end on night number one. I'm gonna stop you

646
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: right there. Yes, okay, So it was a pass through, right,

647
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: it was. It was a pass through. Now, when you

648
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: shot him, did he notice you at all? He never

649
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: looked up at me. He never to my knowledge, No,

650
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: I guess absolutely not, because when he ran away it

651
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: would have been not downwind at all. My wind was

652
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: blow was blown perfectly behind me. Got you, got you

653
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: so yeah, as far as I know he had, he

654
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: had no idea it was there other than that, other

655
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: than that little tick of the arrow. Yeah got you

656
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: so so yeah. I went back that night to the

657
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: hotel room and he had a long, sleepless night. Um.

658
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: I had a friend of mine who was able to

659
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: get some time off work the next day, who came

660
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: down from Michigan to help me track him, and who

661
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: also brought his dog who he's been training to track deer. Um.

662
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: This deer actually was, this earliest dog actually was the

663
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: one that was helping me find my buck last year too. Um.

664
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: I found six shooters, so I was hoping to have

665
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: some some good luck again with June Bug. But went

666
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: out there the next morning. Long story short. We picked

667
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: up blood right off the bat. It was very sparse.

668
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: We tracked it for At the time I thought we

669
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: tracked about three hundred yards, but later I went and

670
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: looked at a map that had a key, and we

671
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: actually only had blood for about a hundred and fifty

672
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: yards and it was very sparse, just the occasional drop, drip,

673
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: drop here, a little smear against corn. Um. We tracked

674
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: that buck down into that little ravine where he came

675
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: out of back up the other side to the cornfield,

676
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: tracked it across the corn field and against it's a

677
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: thin finger of corn, tried to across that finger to

678
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: that opposite finger of timber, where I had seen him

679
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: come in and out of several times the year before.

680
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: I thought he would be betting, and I thought that

681
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: was one of the secondary betting locations was on the

682
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: end of this finger, So I thought for sure he

683
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: was going to be in there, bedded down, dead somewhere. Um.

684
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: But we lost blood, the dog just started losing confidence

685
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: in the trail, and we just searched that thing up

686
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: and down. After we lost blood, and after we lost

687
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: the trail and it had exhausted all options there, we

688
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: started grid searching that finger of timber, thinking he'd be

689
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: in there because it's really thick, really good um. But

690
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: nothing there. So we at that point so okay, we

691
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: just need to start walking some likely spots. So we

692
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: just kept walking around there. This takes us till about

693
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: two o'clock maybe in the to noon that first day.

694
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: My buddy Andy has to go home. He takes off

695
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: and this is where your help kicked in dan Um,

696
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: which I really appreciate you had gotten in touch with

697
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: your buddy John Mulligan from Wicked trige Geer and John

698
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: got in touched with me and he offered a camp

699
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: to help because he lives in Kentucky, just over the border.

700
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: So John came up, which was awesome. I really appreciated it,

701
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: and he helped me grid search a few more areas.

702
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: We decided to start walking what we thought the most

703
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: likely betting areas might be that if he was injured,

704
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: where would he go to bed down? So he grid

705
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: searched a number of betting areas and we checked all

706
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: the different water sources we could get to, and just

707
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: scoured all the likely spots um where he potentially could go.

708
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: And we looked for tracks on the edge of the

709
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: corn field, trying to find where he might have cut

710
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: in if he did um. But we we looked and

711
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: looked and looked till um just about dark on that night,

712
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: and that was Thursday, I believe, and uh I could

713
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: not find anything. So at that point I started thinking,

714
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 1: you know, is there any chance that another their dog

715
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: might be able to help out the situation. At this point,

716
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: I've been posting a lot of things on Wired to hunt,

717
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: and a number of people said, hey, you should get

718
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: in touch with this guy. Get in touch with this guy,

719
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: get in touch with this guy. So I started calling

720
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: a bunch of different people, talking to some different blood trackers, saying, hey,

721
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 1: you know, here's the situation. Is there any use in having,

722
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, another dog come out. Do you think another

723
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: dog might be able to pick it up? And long

724
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: story short, most of the guy said yeah, we probably

725
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: still could. Well. One of our readers from Wired to

726
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: Hunt is a professional blood tracker with his dog, and

727
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: he offered to come down and help out. So Jared

728
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: and his dog Chloe came down the following morning to

729
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: pick up the trail again. And so this is now

730
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: a day two. We start out brain early first thing

731
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: in the morning, start from the very beginning, start trailing again.

732
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: Follow the trail passed for me and Andy had lost it.

733
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: Continue into the corn field and we get into that

734
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: corn field and again things just get hay wire there

735
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: and we couldn't really get locked on. So at that

736
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: point we kept trying and try and get locked on.

737
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: Couldn't get locked on for the dogs, so we hopped

738
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: over to the other side of the corn field. At

739
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: the most likely spot where we thought he might have exited.

740
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: At this point, we're assuming that he's still moving based

741
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: on what we've seen and how far the search has gone.

742
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: We got to the other side of the corn field,

743
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: Chloe seemed to pick a track up back up again.

744
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: I got really excited, seeming like she was on it.

745
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: We tracked and tracked all through this property and this

746
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: is actually my neighbor's property. At this point U we

747
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: had permission to go there and search and to make

748
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: what was a very long day short. We tracked for

749
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: another like eight or nine hours, eventually started just circling

750
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: through every different possible likely area. Eventually, around like six

751
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: five or six o'clock, Jared had to go home. He

752
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: took off. I went back in there and I walked

753
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: every other square inch of space I could possibly get

754
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: my hands on too until dark. Now I've been searching

755
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: for just about twenty four hours in the field and

756
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: finished off day two there and was never able to

757
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: find another drop of blood. Never is able to find

758
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: a bed um. I was not able to recover job breaker. Yeah.

759
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: That's heartbreaking, isn't it. Yeah? I think that's um. That

760
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: is the understatement of the year. Yeah, and there's not

761
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: not too much anybody can say or do to to

762
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: make it better. Um, I just know that it does.

763
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: That experience that you went that you just went through,

764
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: we'll actually make you a better hunter. And I'll tell

765
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: you my experience real quick. When I when I shot

766
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: or when I had my encounter with shipwreck, he was

767
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: and without having to go into a ton of detail,

768
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: he's a buck that I a giant buck that I

769
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: had been chasing for I think four or five years,

770
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: and I finally had an encounter with him within range

771
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: twenty two yards. I shot shot him and he ran off,

772
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: tracked him no blood or either's blood, and then it

773
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: stopped and we did our grid search thing couldn't find him.

774
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: I came back the next day with a whole bunch

775
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: of people, couldn't find him. Then on the half of

776
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: the third day, I gritted some more, no go well,

777
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: he ended up living and he came back. Which last year,

778
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: when I shot my buck, I was more calm and

779
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: more collective during during all my other buck encounters after Shipwreck,

780
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: that big buck had made me still get excited about

781
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: seeing a big deer, but not get buck fever near

782
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: as bad. If that makes any kind of sense, So

783
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: so I don't know. It's it's definitely one of those

784
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: things where you know, we I said it, you said it,

785
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: everybody else has said it. If you're not, if you

786
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: don't have an experience like that, you haven't been hunting

787
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: long enough. Yeah, it's a it's kind of funny. You know,

788
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: last week on the party, I think it was last week,

789
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: or if it was a week before that, we were

790
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, hitting a deer and wounding it

791
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: and not recovering it. And uh, to that point, I had, Um,

792
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: I had hit a doll before along a ways back

793
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: with my muzzle loader and wasn't able to recover her.

794
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: But UM, I never hit a buck or hit any

795
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: deer with my bow and not recovered it. Um. And

796
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: now this happened, you know, just after we had that conversation.

797
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: So a little bit ironic that this has now happened

798
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: to me. And um, like you said, I know it's

799
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: it happens to everyone eventually, And UM, I think it's

800
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: just a matter of learning from it and being able

801
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: to move on from it and making sure, like you

802
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: said that it does make you a better hunter. Um.

803
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what that that day after so

804
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: the Thursday, that day, the first day where we looked

805
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: all day and couldn't find it, I was getting, you know,

806
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: really upset. And after day two when it all finished

807
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: up and I had to come home, um man, that

808
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: was just the It's a rough couple of days there

809
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: where it was just all I really thought about. To

810
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: keep on looking at the video and looking at the

811
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: pictures and thinking about it and over analyzing stuff, and

812
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: just I mean, for so many different reasons, this is

813
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: incredibly upsetting. Um. You know, first and foremost, right, I

814
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: just wounded a deer. That of course, any time to

815
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: take a shot at a deer, you wanted to be

816
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: as quick and as quick as ethical as possibly can.

817
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: And to know that I hit a deer poorly, and

818
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: that that deer might live for a longer period of

819
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: time or suffer um or you know, die of a

820
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: less than ideal circumstances. That's awful and the worst thing

821
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: I um, I keep thinking about him, you know, ten

822
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: days later, two days later, you know, suffering laying down,

823
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: getting all sickly and infected, and it breaks my heart.

824
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: Um for any deer, of course, for any deer, I

825
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: would feel the same way, but especially for this dear

826
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: He's I mean, he was the king. He was just

827
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: this incredible specimen of a deer that I've never seen

828
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: a deer like this in my life that I've been

829
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: able to hunting, to experience and to have learned and

830
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: gotten to know. It's dearer to a degree to have

831
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: done that um to him, I just feel horrible. Um.

832
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: So from that standpoint, it's it's awful. And then and

833
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: then you look at just from a purely now this

834
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: is not as important, of course, but just looking at you.

835
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: I I put all the pieces together. This is the

836
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: biggest buck I've ever gotten a shot at. He was,

837
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, over a hundred sixty six and a half

838
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: year old deer, the most mature, biggest bodied um. You know,

839
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: this would be my to this point, my buck of

840
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: a lifetime. And I had put all the pieces together,

841
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: I'd finally done all these things where I that I

842
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: had been trying to do right for years and it

843
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: all came together into and then to then see it,

844
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, slip through my fingers because of just that

845
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: last couple of seconds, and and it happens to so

846
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: many of us eventually. But that in itself is again painful. Um.

847
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: And then you know, gosh, I get all these other

848
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: weird pressures, you know, given that that I'm trying to

849
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: make a living from these types of things, that I

850
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: feel like I let my wife down. Like I called

851
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: my wife that night and I started apologizing to her,

852
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: like I'm just so sorry, Like I she lets me

853
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: go and do all these things all time, she lets

854
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: me take all this time away, and um, she's so

855
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: supportive of it all. And then when I finally do

856
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: have an opportunity, Um, you know, I blew it. And

857
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: so all these things have been going through my head

858
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: and and I'm in a lot better spot today than

859
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: i was five days ago even Um, but for a

860
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: while there it was it was a real low point,

861
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: but at the lowest point from his hunter. But I

862
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: was fortunate to have a lot of people like you

863
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: and other friends, other hunters that have, you know, taking

864
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: the time to chat with me and just give me

865
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: a lot of encouragement. And um, I think it's been

866
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: therapy just to talk about it and all those things too.

867
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: So that's kind of I tell you when you were

868
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: telling your story, and I'm guilty of this too, just

869
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: like several other people are over the throughout the US

870
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: who filmed their hunts. You said, the first thing I

871
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: did was stand up and grab my camera. Yes, for me,

872
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: last year, the first thing I did was stand up

873
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: and grab my camera. I let him walk through two

874
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: shooting lanes completely broadside at oh seven to fifteen yards,

875
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: then to finally get the camera on him and um

876
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: and have a way less than up more shot. Luckily,

877
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: my dear lived um. And that that really had me thinking, Man,

878
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: is I'm so passionate about this. You put all this

879
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: time and energy into it, and especially when you when

880
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: a person is filing themselves, it's like, is it even

881
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: worth it? Yeah? And and that's part of the I mean,

882
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: that's that's a I guess a small part of the

883
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: reason that I quit doing what I was doing. But

884
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: I still bring my camera equipment with me. But this

885
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: year and from now on, if I'm filming myself, the

886
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: kill for me is more important than getting it caught

887
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: on on camera. So I know that you you know,

888
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: there's some other motivators there and some other you know,

889
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: making a living type of thing, but I don't know,

890
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: it's filming yourself and every other thing you take into

891
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: the timber with you can potentially be a distraction. And

892
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to everybody know

893
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: from my own experiences, it's a distraction. And if the

894
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: first thing you're not doing is grabbing your weapon and

895
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: getting ready to kill, then you have lessened your chances

896
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 1: of killing that animal. Yeah, this is a perfect segue

897
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: into what I wanted to discuss next, which we're you know,

898
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: taking a look at what mistakes that might have made

899
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: and those lessons learned. And this was one of the

900
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: two things I wanted to mention was self filming. Um,

901
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: and I've I've had the same types of thoughts that

902
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: you had after your experience. I'm sitting here and thinking

903
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: to myself how different things might have been if I

904
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: didn't have to worry about that damn camera. Yeah, and

905
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: like you said, there's there's certain obligations I have to

906
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: do that. But at the same time, like you said,

907
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: is it worth it do I? I don't know. I'm

908
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: really thinking about I really don't know if I'm going

909
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: to film my hunts next year or if I am.

910
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: I just need to find a way to get a

911
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: cameraman because and that is the only way when I'm

912
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: when I messed up with shipwreck, it was it was

913
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: I grabbed my bow. I looked behind me into the

914
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: cameraman Ryan, and I said, I'm shooting this buck, whether

915
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: you're ready or not. He came through, I shot him,

916
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: didn't find him, blah blah blah. This past year, I

917
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: stood up, I grabbed the camera, tried to get it adjusted.

918
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: He walked through. I tried to get it adjusted again.

919
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: He walked through twenty two yards, hard quartering away, moved

920
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: it and it was my and I shot him on

921
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: a less than optimal shot and long, you know that

922
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: is I'm taking it all back because I was calm.

923
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: I felt I was calm. My bow was sided in

924
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: and I took a very hard shot. And that that

925
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: that camera was the reason for my buck last year. Yeah,

926
00:46:54,880 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: I think it's got me really think hard about um,

927
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: about about what's most important. And I know there's a

928
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: lot of people that I think enjoy our videos, and

929
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: I love producing these videos that showcase our hunts and

930
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: tell our stories. Um, but I just don't think it's

931
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: worthwhile anymore for me. It's not to potentially lose an

932
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: opportunity to or more importantly wounded deer like this, like

933
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: in this case, um, I wish I got It's funny

934
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: because the last two years I've killed deer, but I've

935
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: killed him off camera. So a couple of I just

936
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: couldn't get the camera on the deer. So I said,

937
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: screw the camera, I'm taking the shot. And I got

938
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: so much crap from people saying, oh, you gotta get

939
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: your buck on film. You gotta get get one on film, finally,

940
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: get one, get one on film finally, and even uh,

941
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: even like the day of like this day, when I

942
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: got that shot, I said something um about going in

943
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: for job orer. I coupe people make comments, will make

944
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: sure you get on film this year. And so when

945
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: he showed up, in my head self can or subconsciously,

946
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, get the camera and you gotta get this

947
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: one on film, Gotta get this one film. And of course,

948
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: in this situation where I had such a minimal amount

949
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: of time between when I saw him to when he

950
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: was going to leave, my opportunity to get a shot,

951
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: I spent half of it messing around with the stupid camera. Um.

952
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: So mistake number one was self filming and spending the

953
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: precious few seconds I had getting that camera on him.

954
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: Mistake number two, UM came as as a as a

955
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: part of all that. So I'm rushing to get this

956
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: camera on him. Then I have to spend sixty degrees

957
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: around to get to the other side of the tree

958
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: to get my bow off a hanger, to get the

959
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: deer in my sights before he steps back into this timber.

960
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: And UM, I have been guilty of this handful of times,

961
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: and I think many hunters are. But I need I

962
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: just need to continue to get better at it. UM.

963
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: I think I still rushed the process more than I

964
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: needed to, UM to the degree where you know, it

965
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: happened so quickly that by the time I get to

966
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: get my bow up, and like I said, I drew back,

967
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: the peep wasn't open. So now I'm messing around with

968
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: the peep. By the time all that happened, I finally

969
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: had a clear sight picture at him. Now he's right

970
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: next to these branches. And when I keep on, you know,

971
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: as all of us to do, I keep on looking

972
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: back the situation in my head. I keep running it

973
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: through in my head. What did I see? What was

974
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: I thinking? You know, how did that go down? What

975
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: did I do right? What I do wrong. Um, And

976
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I remember, I just happened so fast.

977
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: I just remember getting my pins settled behind his shoulder

978
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: and let it go. But I wish I had taken

979
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: an extra second or two to take a deep breath,

980
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: to settle in a little more, to just go through

981
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: and and just nail down what I had, because I

982
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: think I didn't. I didn't do that enough. I got

983
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: the pins on him, and I let her go, and

984
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: and all this was because I'm so worried I wasn't

985
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: going to get a shot at him, and I did

986
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: get a shot him. Now, maybe I rushed it a

987
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: little bit there, um, like I said, But another part

988
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: of my mistake was that in doing that, I did

989
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: not notice the fact that there were some branches there.

990
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: I knew there were branches that he was walking towards,

991
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: but when I didn't realize that there was a branch

992
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: covering his vitals, a small limb that I didn't see.

993
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: Because later on, when we went and reviewed the footage,

994
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: a friend of mine put it into an editing program

995
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: where you could slow it down, slow mo it really

996
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: well and see the arrows flight and see where it

997
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: hit and very clearly In that video, you can see

998
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: my arrow coming down and it hits one of those

999
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: twigs that sticking out a small limb. It hits a limb,

1000
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: breaks the limb clear in half, and the arrow deflects

1001
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: down and back. Now, I can't tell you where my

1002
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: arrow would have hit if I didn't hit that limb.

1003
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: Excuse me, but I know that hitting that limb did

1004
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: not help my shot, and I think it definitely pushed

1005
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: it farther back, so that dear my have been dead

1006
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: if I had seen this little twig sticking out there. Um,

1007
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: if I'd slowed down and focused more on that. So

1008
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, I'm putting the mistake on myself. Um. You know,

1009
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: maybe I've just gotten lucky that that little twig was there.

1010
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: Maybe nine times out of ten I would have got

1011
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: my shot. It would have been fine. This time I

1012
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: hit a limb, and um, it didn't go okay. But

1013
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't know either way. I need to continue to

1014
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: get better at slowing things down in those final seconds. Um.

1015
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: I have killed a lot of deer in my day,

1016
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: but you know I still need to get better at

1017
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: slowing things down in that final moment of truth because

1018
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: there's just no room for air, and this time that little, um,

1019
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: a little something came up and nipped me in the butt,

1020
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: and it made the difference, I think, between between me

1021
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: telling this long, sad story and me having the most

1022
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: incredible hunt of my life. So so when I've I've

1023
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: analyzed and looked and thought and rethought, and those are

1024
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: the two big things that coming out of us I've

1025
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: identified as those mistakes I made and as those areas

1026
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: where I need to make some changes or some improvements. Um.

1027
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: So that's where I'm at. Um with all of that,

1028
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: I think the kind of final thing I thought we

1029
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: might touch on was some tips and advice for for

1030
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: moving on from a situation like this. Um. But before

1031
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: I do that, day, I guess any other thoughts or

1032
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: questions on the things I just talked about there no, man,

1033
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: I just I guess it depends on how serious you are.

1034
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: And it's not saying that me and you are not

1035
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: serious about deer hunting. We have we try to get

1036
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, we try to get our our stuff on film.

1037
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: And that's fine. If you want to do that, you

1038
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: gotta do that, but you have to understand that there

1039
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: is a cause and effect and if you're messing around

1040
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: in the tree with something while that deers in the

1041
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 1: area be prepared to put a bad shot or lose

1042
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: that deer, or have them bust you and never see

1043
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: him again. So it's just it's I don't know, it's

1044
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: it almost makes me think about the matrix where where

1045
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: one thing causes another thing, and if you eliminate those problems.

1046
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't know why I said the matrix, by the way,

1047
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: but if you if you eliminate all those things, when

1048
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: the time does come, you're going to be more focused.

1049
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: But for you, this was the biggest buck you've ever

1050
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: had an encounter with, right, Yeah, within shooting range, so

1051
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: it you probably had a little bit of buck fever,

1052
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: is that right? You know? I didn't have to be

1053
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: to be honest, it wasn't so much like I didn't

1054
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: I didn't have time. I didn't even have time to

1055
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: think about it. It It was it was more still like

1056
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: this buck, I gotta get a shot, and I didn't

1057
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: even have time to start freaking out. So it wasn't

1058
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: necessary buck fever. It was just there's still little time,

1059
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: get the shot, get on him, get turned around. He's

1060
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna he's about stuff on the trees. Um, it was

1061
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: more of that type of thing, but I probably don't

1062
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: think I was. I don't remember shaking, I remember like

1063
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: going through any of that because I just didn't have

1064
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: enough time. Yeah, for sure, for sure, I know that

1065
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: with the whole shipwreck thing, I I got buck fever

1066
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: real bad. And I think part of it had to

1067
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: do with me actually having such a history with that

1068
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: particular deer, knowing it and all that emotion and time

1069
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: and energy that's put in towards an animal kind of

1070
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: all boiled over because I've had encounters with other really

1071
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: big deer and didn't and and really didn't get buck fever.

1072
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: It was more focused on the hunt, and I don't know.

1073
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: And that's a hard thing. And that's that's one of

1074
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: those things where it's one of the you know, like

1075
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: you hear sports people talk after they hit a home

1076
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: run or make a sack. They they do the celebrating

1077
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: and sometimes it can go over and they say, act

1078
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: like you've been there. And I think that a lot

1079
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: of it has to do is once you do get there,

1080
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: so to speak, you have those encounters with these big

1081
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: deer that you're after, you can that that buck fever

1082
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: is definitely beatable. Yeah. I think it's like you said,

1083
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: having those experiences and um, you know, you can eventually

1084
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: act like you've been there. The more experiences you have

1085
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: like that. Think, sure, if you're focused on it, but

1086
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: to a degree though, you want to be able to

1087
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: have that feeling still to degree because if you're not

1088
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: getting super pumped when a big buck walks by, what

1089
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: are you out there for? Um? But but yeah, for me,

1090
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: I think maybe this is a good way to move

1091
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: on to the last thing I wanted to cover, Dan,

1092
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: which was, you know, advice for moving on? How do

1093
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: you move on from something like this? How do you

1094
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: learn from something like this? And for me, you know,

1095
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: three things, I guess and I'll touch on these real quick,

1096
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: and then I'd like to hear you know, from your perspective, Dan. Two. Um,

1097
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: but I wrote a little article for Outdoor Life this

1098
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: week in which I listed the three things that have

1099
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: helped me move on from this situation. And you know,

1100
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 1: the first thing was identifying, you know, what that mistake

1101
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: was or what that lesson that you can learn was

1102
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: from from this encounter or that experience. And so I

1103
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: think it's easy to to rerun through a million times

1104
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: and to think over a million times and to over

1105
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: analyze it, just over and over and over, and there's

1106
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: that natural tendency to do that and I did that too. Um.

1107
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: But after talking to so many people, I think that

1108
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: that you need to stop beating yourself up at some

1109
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: point and you need to say, Okay, this happened, what's

1110
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: maybe one or two things I can learn from it?

1111
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 1: Because if you're going to focus on every single little

1112
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: tiny thing, you're gonna you're gonna beat yourself up and

1113
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: you're not gonna take anything from him. So my advice

1114
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: would be a try to identify that one or two

1115
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: things maybe that that you can work on and that

1116
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: you you can identify as an area for improvement, and

1117
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: then find a way to actually take action on it.

1118
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: So you know, for me, again, I'm trying to find

1119
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: ways just to slow myself down more in those final seconds.

1120
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: So something really simple I'm gonna do. Um But I think,

1121
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, it might help just a little bit. And

1122
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: I've talked about doing this before and I never did it.

1123
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: So this is me needing to take my own advice. Um.

1124
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna tape a little thing to the

1125
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: back of my rise and that just says, slow down

1126
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: and just if I can get a little bit of

1127
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: reality poked into my head in those final ten seconds

1128
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: or four seconds, it's just hey, take one more second.

1129
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: That might make the difference. And so that's one small

1130
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: little way I'm trying to take action and learn from

1131
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: this experience. Um. But I think the most important thing,

1132
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: and I think the thing that has helped me the

1133
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: most so far is do all that, but then get

1134
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: back out there. Um. When I was driving home that

1135
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: night after you know, not being able to find a

1136
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: job breaker, I'm driving home and now I'm at my

1137
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: lowest point, and I in my head, I'm thinking, I'm

1138
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: not gonna hunt for weeks. I have no desired hunt.

1139
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to do anything with this, Like the

1140
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: air was completely taken out of my sales. Um. I

1141
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: thought I may not hunt again until November five when

1142
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: I went back down to Ohio. So I was considering

1143
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: taking three weeks off of hunting. I was like, screw this,

1144
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: I am, I'm done. This is just I don't know

1145
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: I was done. Um but like three days later, somehow,

1146
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: not even three days there. Two days later, Um, and

1147
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: are talking to a number of people and just you know,

1148
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: being me, I'm I'm seeing deer out behind my house.

1149
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm hearing from my buddies they're shooting deer. I kind

1150
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: of got that itch again, is like, you know, maybe

1151
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: I should get back out there. And long story short,

1152
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: I went back out and hunted a couple of times

1153
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: and decided that the best therapy might be just to

1154
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: get back out the woods and get back after it. Um.

1155
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: And I did that, and that did make things that

1156
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: did help. Um. It helped to get it back out there,

1157
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: helped just to get back on the path and moving

1158
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: forward word not dwelling on the past. And UM, another

1159
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: thing I haven't done it yet, but I want to

1160
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: do it is I'd like to shoot a couple of

1161
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: doughs and just kind of get my confidence back, you know,

1162
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: just prove to myself again, hey you can do this.

1163
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: Go through that experience, go through that process, execute it perfectly,

1164
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: and kind of get that mojo back. So I was

1165
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: going to suggest that to you, just to get out

1166
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: there and go go swack a do. Yeah. So that's

1167
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: my plan for the next like three or four or

1168
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: five days, is to uh, is to get out and

1169
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: do that. So I think that's from what I've learned

1170
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: from this experience, it would be it would be those

1171
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: three things, you know, try to identify a couple of lessons,

1172
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: then find a way to take real action on don't

1173
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: just say it, actually do something, and then finally, you know,

1174
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: go back out there and and get some hunts under

1175
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: your belt again, because it happens to us all and

1176
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: the only way to to move on from it is

1177
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: to actually start moving down that path again, to start

1178
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: hunting again. So I don't know at this short you know, this,

1179
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: um a few days since it's been a week since

1180
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at. That's what I've kind of learned

1181
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: and taken away from this experience. Um, I'm praying that somehow,

1182
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he made it, you know, that that shot.

1183
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: After looking at the video, it ended up looking like

1184
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: it was farther back than I thought, but lower than

1185
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: I thought too. Um, So I don't know. Maybe I

1186
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: don't know. I just don't know at this point, I

1187
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: just do not know. So I've got some cameras out there.

1188
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: We're not going back to the property till in November five,

1189
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: So I'm just crossing all my fingers and toes that

1190
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: maybe by some miracle, maybe that maybe that shot didn't

1191
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: kill him, and maybe he's gonna be back, and uh,

1192
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: we'll either live a long and healthy, prosperous life or

1193
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: maybe I'll get to get another shot of him. So right,

1194
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you have any other advice for

1195
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: for moving on from an experience like this, Dan, given

1196
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: your experiences, No, just get back out there for me,

1197
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, Um, when I wounded my

1198
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: when I wounded my dough. Um, Unfortunately I couldn't hunt

1199
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: the rest of the weekend for unseen circumstances. But the

1200
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: next week and I got out there again and everything

1201
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: felt good. Unfortunately, this year I haven't harvested a dough yet,

1202
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: but the previous years after the shipwreck incident, I I

1203
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: shot a couple of those, and I may actually made

1204
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: me feel good. So so I got my confidence back.

1205
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: Like you said, um, you know, just drawing back on

1206
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: a dough shooting it, you know, going through your your

1207
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: unconscious checklist, you know, kisser button, nose, peep site, trigger

1208
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: arrows off, now what that kind of thing, and it

1209
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: it does help? Yeah, I I absolutely think so too.

1210
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to in the next couple of

1211
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: days doing that myself and uh, now I got a

1212
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: question for you, though, Let's hear it. Are you taking

1213
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: your camera back into the tree with you? You know,

1214
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned that, because when we're having this conversation,

1215
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: in my head, I was thinking the same thing. And

1216
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: here here's my issue is, Um, I have obligations, contractual

1217
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: obligations with my partners that I need to be filming stuff. Okay,

1218
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: so I will be taking the camera out with me

1219
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: for the rest of this year. But I do know

1220
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: that if a situation comes where it's a rush rush

1221
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: situation like this, I'm not gonna worry about the camera.

1222
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: So if I get another kill this year, I might not.

1223
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: This might be the third year in a row that

1224
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't get a kill on camera because it's it's

1225
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: not worth it. I'm not going to wound another deer

1226
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: or make a mistake like this because of that camera. So,

1227
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: so that being said, I'll probably have a lot of

1228
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: interviews in bureau footage. I don't know if I'll have

1229
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: a good killer shot. Um. And then next year, I'm

1230
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: really gonna do some serious thinking about what I want

1231
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: to do next year, um, because because next year I

1232
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: can make my I can make new plans and um

1233
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: new agreements and whatnot. And I don't know, it's a

1234
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: it's a business decision that I need to make for

1235
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: word to hunt. You know, how much do these videos

1236
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: add to what the story we tell two people two

1237
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: people really want them? Are we doing a good enough

1238
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: job to warrant the time and energy and additional risk

1239
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: that we put into a hunt because of it? Um?

1240
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the answer to that question is.

1241
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: But if the answer is yes, we want to continue

1242
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: doing the videos, then I just need to find some

1243
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: way to get someone in the tree with me, um,

1244
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: Because I think I think me self filming has an

1245
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: expiration date, that's correct. So that's where I'm at. Um.

1246
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: I I've still got a lot to learn, you know.

1247
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: I beat myself up about this a lot. At one point,

1248
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: after after the second tracking dog left on that second day,

1249
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: it was probably six thirty almost seven o'clock, was getting darkers,

1250
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: pouring rain for about an hour, it's been pouring rain,

1251
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: and I was just walking through his betting ears, just

1252
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: beating myself up, like you deserve this, you It's kind

1253
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: of funny now, but I was just down and at

1254
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: one point I just leaned up against the tree and

1255
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: kind of collapsed next to that tree. Just sat on

1256
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: the ground next to this tree for like ten minutes,

1257
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: just just beating myself up and was so upset about situation.

1258
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: And then eventually like, you know what, you are an

1259
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: imperfect human, You are an imperfect hunter. But mistakes happen

1260
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: and you did. Yeah, there's ways you can improve, and

1261
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: there's mistakes that you know you can learn from. But

1262
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: in the moment, I did the best I could in

1263
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: that moment. And that's all you can do is do

1264
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: the best you can in the moment and then learn

1265
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: from it, become better because of it, and uh and grow.

1266
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: And so that's that's what I'm gonna try I do

1267
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: from this. And I'm sure I'm gonna take some heat

1268
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: from people saying, oh, you made a bad shot. How

1269
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: already on Facebook people were, you know, saying oh, how

1270
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: could it take such a shameful shot? Blah blah blah um.

1271
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: And you know, there's always gonna be critics out there.

1272
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: I love those people, but I'm not gonna let you.

1273
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: Just have to work through yourself and and work to

1274
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: get better. So that's what we do. I Google five

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01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: stages of grief just now. And you've gone through your

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01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: denial and isolation, You've gone through your anger, you've gone

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01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: through your bargaining, gone through your depression, and it sounds

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01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: to me like you're you're covering as we speak, the

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01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: fifth and final stage, which is acceptance, and after that

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01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: it's all gravy good. So you're good to go. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. Like I I said, I

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01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: definitely the last week have I've come a long way.

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01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: So at this point now I'm getting real excited about

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01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: the season again. And uh, I don't know, I still

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01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: even though a lot of people have talked to said

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01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: based on the point of impact and where that shot

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01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: went and there's a really good chance he didn't make it,

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01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm an eternal optimist and I've got I got a

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01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: flicker of hope, and uh I can't I cannot wait

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01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: to get back down there. Yeah, give that property some

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01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: time because it sounds like you did a lot of

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01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: damage walking through it, and hopefully it recovers for the

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01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: rest of the year. Yeah, we're gonna get down there.

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01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: That's well November five or six, so it'll be about

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01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: two and a half weeks of rest will give it

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01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: and by then, hopefully the will be kicking and we'll, um,

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01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: we'll be able to see some bucks moving through there

1298
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: and and maybe the old boy will be back himself.

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Speaker 1: So so that's where it's at. And now I'm Next

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01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: week we're gonna talk about my plans for the next

1301
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: week and a half because I'm kind of thinking through

1302
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: some crazy ideas. Dan, I'm kind of throwing caution the

1303
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: wind and maybe gonna be going to some brand new

1304
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: State's gonna be changing my plans, doing some world I'm

1305
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: supposed to be the crazy one of this team, not you.

1306
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: I know, I'm kind of flying by the seat of

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01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: my pants these days. So we'll we'll cover that another date.

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01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: But um, I think it's getting to getting to be

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01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: time here, So Dan, is there anything else we need

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01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: to cover? Good Luck to me, Yeah, to you, to

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01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: to everybody who's listening. Uh, good luck the rest of

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01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: the season. And uh I hope that, Uh I hope

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01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: everybody kills giants this year except the other guys on

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01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: my property. Nice. Yeah, no, that's that's a great way

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01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: to to close things out. I too, hope everyone is

1316
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: is having an awesome season so far. And we'll continue

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01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: to do so. And man, it is about to get crazy,

1318
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: Like the best part of the season is just ahead

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01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: of us. So I'm pretty stoked. I'm not gonna lie.

1320
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: My daughter pulled this out of my path. So there's

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01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: a good luck Dobly for the rest of the season. Nice,

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01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: You've been just dying to use that, haven't Yeah, I

1323
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: saw it. I'm just like, I gotta wait for the

1324
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: perfect opportunity because if I, if I do this like

1325
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: right in the heartfelt moments of you telling your jawbreaker stories,

1326
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: would have lost all of its uh it would have Yeah.

1327
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: Oh man, okay, good, let's let's let's cut it down.

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01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,440
Speaker 1: Let's get out of here. Let's do it all right then. Um.

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01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: Before we do that, though, Dan, I do want to

1330
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: take a quick second to again just thank everyone out

1331
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: there in the wire hunt nation, you know, for all

1332
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: the support everyone gave me last week. Um. I got

1333
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:39,440
Speaker 1: so many phone calls, emails, messages, comments on Facebook. UM,

1334
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: so many people give me advice, wishing me luck, etcetera.

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01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: So just huge, huge thank you to all of you

1336
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: listeners and readers and viewers. Um. That meant the world

1337
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: to me. And also as an f y. I be

1338
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: sure to check back on Wire to Hunt in our

1339
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: YouTube channel over the next week or two, as we

1340
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: will be putting out a couple of videos detailing this

1341
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: hunt in this whole story I just told, so look

1342
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: for that. That said, bringing things to a close here.

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Speaker 1: As always, if you've been joined the podcast, we really

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01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: appreciate it if you'd leave us a rating or of

1345
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: you on iTunes. We've got ninety three awesome reviews so

1346
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: far and it helps out so much, so thank you. Finally,

1347
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: we'd like to thank our partners who helped make this

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01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,799
Speaker 1: show possible, so big, thank you too, Sick of Gear, Trophy,

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Speaker 1: Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Carbon Express Arrows, Hunt Soft, Lacrosse, Boots,

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01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,480
Speaker 1: Big and J Longridge Attractants in the White Tail Institute

1351
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: of North America. That all said, thank you all for

1352
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: being here with this today and for bearing with me

1353
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: through this little therapy session. I hope you've had an

1354
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: incredible hunting season so far, and you know, if things

1355
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: are getting tough for you, you you know, maybe you can

1356
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: do what I've done. If you're at the end of

1357
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 1: the rope, tie it up and hang on. So good

1358
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,799
Speaker 1: luck to all of you out there and stay awired

1359
01:09:53,800 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: to hunt your past.