WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 144 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:02.880 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.000 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.720 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:12.959 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.840 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.320 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.279 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:23.040 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:25.040 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.440 Welcome to ick It Happen here. I'm your host Bia 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.879 Wong with me as James Stout By men. Hello, this 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.279 is a podcast about things falling apart putting it back 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.680 together again. For the rest of this week, we are 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.360 going to be going to our live correspondence from a 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.280 Democratic National Convention. We're going to be getting a bunch 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.199 of episodes from from the floor. We're you're gonna be 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:47.599 gonna be hearing all about all of. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:48.400 The serve of excitement. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:52.440 But for sort of day one of our DNC convention, 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.680 I thought we'd do something a little bit different, and 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.720 that is I want to take a look back at 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:00.840 the convention that I think I think most people have 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:02.920 been thinking is the most similar to this one, which 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.080 is the nineteen sixty eight Democratic National Convention, which is 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.280 also a convention that featured large anti war protests and 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.040 the vice president of an extremely unpopular president who was 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.600 waging an unpopular war seized control of the nomination. Yeah, 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:19.760 I mean, and you know, and the parallels. I mean, 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.160 you know, there's occupations that Columbia. I mean, right down 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.120 to the one that I think I've seen it. I 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:27.840 haven't seen anyone else talk about. Is that one of 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.280 the big uprisings in nineteen sixty eight is in Pakistan, 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.199 and particularly in the part of Pakistan that is now Bangladesh. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.200 We are about a week ash maybe two weeks removed 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.280 from an enormous uprising of Bangladesh that just knocked out 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.880 theirlitical leadership. So you know, there are lots of sort 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.360 of nineteen sixty eight vibes in the air. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:51.080 It's not unsimilar, but it's also not the same, as 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:52.240 I'm sure I'm about to find out. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.440 Yeah, yeah, I think in some sense we'll get to 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.400 this war as the episode progresses. But in some sense, 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.280 sixty eight parts of it are sort of an inversion 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.320 of what's happening now, and parts of it are an 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.720 interesting case study and having the same pieces but having 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.120 them fit into totally different configurations. And because of that, 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.440 the results are going to be I think, very, very 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:17.960 staggeraally different. Yeah, And I think maybe the primary difference 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.919 is that really the nineteen sixty eight Democratic Convention does 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.240 not start in the US at all. It starts in 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:28.800 Vietnam on Vietnamese New Years, and it really starts with 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:33.040 the Tet Offensive. So for people who have forgotten this 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.680 from their history classes, like, so maybe some of you. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:36.880 Are around for this, I don't know. 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.280 Statistically probably not, but I don't know. 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:40.720 Maybe there's a few old timers here. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.200 So the Tet Offensive is this massive attack by the 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.880 viet Cong A's or of North Vietnamese forces on New 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:52.160 Years of well technically it's like Jenerary sick because the 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.800 calendar dates are off. But it's this massive attack on 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.040 American positions. It's an attempt really to sort of seize 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:04.240 control of South Vieta. It doesn't really work militarily because 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:09.720 and this is an interesting kind of display of bad judgment. 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.799 The North Vietnamese leadership bizarrely makes almost exactly the same 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:15.760 mistake that the Americans are going to make from the 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.440 invasion of Iraq, which is that they are under the 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:23.760 assumption that you know, their attack would trigger a series 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.440 of urban revolts that would like drive out the corrupt 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.919 Vietnamese South Vietnamese like puppet governments, and like run the 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.880 Americans out of the country. And that doesn't happen. There's 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.360 no uprisings. The viet Cong take a bunch of grounds, 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.800 but unbelievable numbers of their caladurators are just wiped out 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:42.120 by the sums of good American counterattack. But it didn't 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.040 matter at all, because what the head offensive really did 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.440 was instantly revealed to everyone in the US that LBJ 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.000 and every previous American administration had been lying to them 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:57.160 about the Vietnam War. In the wake of these attacks, 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.560 it is instantly clear that the US is not the war. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.200 They are not making steady progress against the Communists. They 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:07.240 are at best locked in a granding stalemate against an 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.640 enemy with a capacity to launch attacks that could again 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:11.880 temporarily like run the US out of cities. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:12.720 Right. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:18.560 Yeah, And this this craters lbj's popularity. His popularity is 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.000 in the thirties. 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.440 Oh damn, yeah, when incumbent, that's. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.920 Yeah, it's it's really really bad. It's I think he's 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:31.800 like thirty six percents he is. He is staggeringly, staggeringly unpopular. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:38.760 And you know, the tet offensive also in some sense validates, 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.680 particularly the sort of radical wing of the anti war movements. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.000 You know, I think people remember the anti war movement 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.240 today is this purely this sort of like hyper militant 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:52.680 students for democratic society, the draft card burning stuff, and. 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:53.760 There was that. 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.640 But those people for the early especially the early sixties 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.680 leading up to this point and even even eight are 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.960 a minority, right. Most of the anti war people are 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.400 sort of older, like anti nuclear activists, people who come 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.480 up in the forties, people who'd you know, been through 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.719 the Red Scare and are these sort of hypervigilant liberals. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.160 And these people thought that they could work with LBJ 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:17.240 to end the war. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:17.480 Right. 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.599 LBJ comes in not like quite explicitly promising to end 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.239 the war, but he comes in as the candidate who's 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.640 not you know, who's not literally threatening the bombs I gone, 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.279 and then he turns around a bombs I gone. And 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.359 so this moment the TET offensive is this moment where 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.120 the radical wing of the anti woman is vindicated, Right, 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.440 LBJ has been lying to them the whole time. All 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.200 of the sort of negotiations that people have been doing 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.640 have been a complete failure. And in the sort of 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:45.039 wake of this, there's a real sort of drive by 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:49.479 a couple of different anti war factions to stage a 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.359 protest at the Democratic National Convention for what you know, 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.880 to protest what everyone assumes is going to be the 0:05:54.920 --> 0:06:01.320 coronation of LBJ. There are two different kind of umbrellas 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.680 of groups I guess you could call it who wind 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.839 up at sixty eight And this is something that we 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:12.159 aren't gonna have now because neither of these two kinds 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:16.279 of things really exists anymore. The first of these groups 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:21.440 are the politically serious hard lighters. They are organized into 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:25.760 this unbelievably large coalition of hundreds of groups called National 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.440 Mobilization Committee to end the War in Vietnam. Nobody says 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:37.279 that because it's so long. Everyone then and now just 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.640 calls it MOB or sometimes mobilization, but everyone in the 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.240 writing just calls them MOBE, and MOBE is one of 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.880 the groups that's been getting more radical by sixty eight. 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.760 But again, the Students for a Democratic Society, who are 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:51.960 kind of the sixties parallel to the DSA. 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:52.839 If you're going to sort. 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.480 Of do these directly one to one lines, right, are 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:02.080 a minority. And also sts basically lead is MOB to 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:06.400 focus on other kinds of organizing. So at sds is 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.480 going to be around, they're going to involved in this protest, 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:13.800 but MOB is kind of not being ran by them. 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.560 And MOB is also a very complicated endeavor because again, 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.000 these are big ten groups, right, These are very very 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.400 very big tent groups. You know, these range from honestly 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.400 sort of right liberal professional groups who oppose the war 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.440 to like one of one of the major leaders of 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.000 MOB in this period is a senior member of the SWP, 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:38.360 the Socialist Workers Party, who are like old school Trotskyit group, right. Yeah, 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.040 And it's very very hard to get coalitions like this 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.560 to work, partially because of secretariat infighting over some of 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:47.480 it's over tactics, because a lot of there's a lot 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:51.360 of people in MOB who do not want militant confrontation. 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.160 They don't want there to be big confrontations with the police. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.880 And then also you know, these people just don't have 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.840 the same ends, right the SMVP people are trying to 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:06.480 have a socialist revolution. There's other people in this group 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:10.160 who are trying to not have their tax dollars pay 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:10.920 for a war. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.640 Not get their kids drafted into a war. 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:14.840 Yeah. 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:19.720 Yeah, but MOBE is the big anti war hub. Right 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:21.800 with the exception of group we're gonna talk about next, 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.520 almost all anti war activity in the country is running 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.960 through VBE just to some extent or another, because it's 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:29.720 a coalition of like all of these groups. We don't 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.720 really have anything like this anymore. There are kind of 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.360 the tattered remains of this stuff, but they don't have 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.600 the kind of poll and the kind of especially they 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.600 don't have the kind of organizational capacity that this stuff had. 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.120 Yeah, it's not really like that. There are a wide 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:45.120 variety of people. 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.600 A posts to genocide and Palestine, but they're not united 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.960 under any even this. There isn't like a popular front 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.920 or a big tent. Yeah, that really brings them together. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.080 Even in twenty twenties, if you didn't really have like 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.719 a big tent org did we like we had like 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.640 BLM capital, BLM five, OHO one C three, But that 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:09.400 wasn't really like an ORG that was that effective on 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:09.840 the ground. 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.800 And that's a key component that's very very different about 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:15.559 you know, at about the sixty eight convention that the 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.360 one's gonna happen. You know, as as this comes out, 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.439 it will be day one of that convention. The terrain 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.240 of groups who are opposed to it are staggeringly different. 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.960 This kind of stuff, we just don't have it anymore now. 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.560 Part of what MOB is struggling to do, and this 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.720 is something that some of the things they're dealing with 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:36.199 the things that we don't deal with now. Some of 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:37.680 them are things that we deal with all the time. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:38.040 Now. 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:40.720 One of the big ones is they're trying to develop 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.640 what eventually is going to be called the diversity of tactics. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.320 So they're trying to have protests that you can have 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.840 three hundred thousand people and most of those people could 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.320 be sitting around having a picnic. And then there's also 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:52.840 a bunch of people who are like fighting the police 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:53.280 in the front. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:54.040 Right. 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.000 We are, I think, sort of largely familiar with this 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:58.400 kind of from twenty twenty. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.520 Right, yeah, then the police take ASTs everyone. 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:06.240 Yeah, well yeah, so this comes to another very important 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.400 part about this, which is that MOBE, even in the 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.480 planning stages, even the radicals, are not trying to fight 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.400 the cops, right, nobody wants to do it because everyone 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.000 is terrified about Chicago's reaction to the Holy Week uprising. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.359 Though we talked about the Holy Week uprising in another episode, 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.480 very briefly, it's a massive series of riots and uprisings 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.320 that follow the assassination of Art Luther King. There's a 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:31.040 particularly bad one in Chicago where Mayor Daily is so 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.679 pissed off that he goes on TV and gives a 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.160 speech where he tells his cops to shoot and maim 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:40.360 people they could accuse of looting good stuff. And you know, 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.000 this goes over so badly that the next day he's 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.360 giving statements to the media saying he never said this, 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.720 but you know everyone saw him say it. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:48.560 I'm live TOV. 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:53.600 So yeah, but people are terrified because this is a 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:58.320 period where the cops really will shoot into crowds. So, 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.960 you know, everyone into planning face of this. You know, 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.199 I think most people broadly know how this turns out, 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:05.920 which is there's a bunch of street fighting to police 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:10.000 attack people. But none of the planners wanted that. They 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.760 were very very deliberately trying to make sure there weren't 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.480 confrontations with the police, because, as it turns out, These 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.760 people are staggeringly unprepared for a confrontation with the cops. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.360 I'm going to read a quote from the very good 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.600 book Chicago sixty eight, which is a politically it's a 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:32.360 bit questionable, but it has an excruciatingly in depth account 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:37.120 of these I mean we're talking hour to hour rundowns 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:41.840 of the convention itself, you know, very well documented accounts 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.240 of all of the meetings that produce this. So I'm 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.800 going to read a quote this is about MO about 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.400 their preparation for the Chicago D and C protests. 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:50.400 Quote. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.520 Some even wanted to warn perspective protesters that they should 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:57.560 bring protective clothing like helmets, bulky sweaters, and ben danafferteer gas, 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.800 but it was decided that this might overly alarm would 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:02.760 be protesters. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:03.800 Great. 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.520 Now, again, this is MOBE. They are supposed to be 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:12.360 the serious organizers here, right. The other group that we're 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.319 going to talk about the Yippies. Like, compared to the Yippies, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.440 these guys look like shock troopers. And this is how 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:19.480 unprepared they are. 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.560 Yeah, wow, Like, looking. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:25.280 At this from our perspective, these people are dangerous amateurs. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.360 They have no idea what they're doing. They don't understand 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.160 how to deal with police at all. One of the 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:30.640 other things that happens is this is one of the 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.040 first and early deployment of so cs tear gas, right, 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.199 And they have a guy who'd been drafted into Vietnam 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.880 was become a special Forces guy, who would you know, 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:41.880 like after we got out, have become a leftist and 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:43.680 he's telling them about this gas and he's saying, yeah, 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:44.120 we need. 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.679 To talk to the so they were thinking. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:47.960 That's going on here is you can tell how early 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.320 this is into the cycle because they don't have dedicated 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:55.760 street medics. They have basically a nurses association at doctors 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:57.920 association that they've gotten to go get feel a better care, 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.560 which is not bad, right, but no, I mean that's great, 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.520 but people need to be aware of what they're getting into, 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.199 and then the medical flats need to be aware of 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.520 how they can mitigate that. And the most people overrule 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.000 this guy and saying no, we're not going to tell 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.240 the medical people about the sort of solution thing he's 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:16.640 talking about to neutralize this gas. Right, These people are 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:24.560 just staggeringly unprepared for an actual police confrontation, and something 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.640 you have to keep in mind about about nineteen sixty 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:31.880 eight America, Right, is that we have a very different 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.720 sort of outlook on the police and how you deal 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.800 with the police than these people. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:38.040 Right. 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.240 We come from basically the decade of the street fight 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.920 since Occupy twenty eleven and really intensifying and ferguson in 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.680 twenty fourteen. There has been a straight decade between conversations 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.560 and the police. If you were out in the most 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.720 intense parts of twenty twenty and statistically, if you're listening 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.839 to this show, you probably at least were out there 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.640 a little bit. You have seen shit that these kids, 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.040 like I call them kids, right, These people are in 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.360 the twenty thirties, but you have seen shit that these 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:05.760 people cannot even imagine. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:06.400 Right. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.200 If you're looking back from our perspective, right, you know, 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.400 with the experience with the police that we have, you 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.559 can look back at these people and you could instantly 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.800 tell that they're going to get claubered. One of the 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.200 things I trying to do is they're trying to copy 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.560 some of the techniques from the Japanese student movement, which 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.000 is an infamously very probably the best street fighters in 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.119 the world. Yeah, and they're trying to copy their techniques 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:26.840 and they can't do it. And they're trying to do 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:28.960 the snake line thing to break police lines. They're all 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.760 falling over and so it's very it's very clear from 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.600 our perspectives that this is going to be a fiasco. 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.160 But these people think that they understand how to manage 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:37.640 the police. 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:42.160 Yeah, I mean the state's capacity for violence has increased 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.120 exponentially since then, Like you could kind of stand up 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.520 to the cops just by staying in the streets, you know, 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.240 to a degree. I think it's probably this is the 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.880 beginning of the state sort of moving towards ming itself 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.080 to deny people up access to public space in that fashion, right, 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.240 which we saw like if you grew up at the 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.400 time I did in Genoa, in Prague and these g 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.520 eight Summits, Kanku and all the different ones right at Octorada, 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.520 Like I think that was the beginning maybe of like 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:15.800 modern crowd control policing. But yeah, these yeah, this is 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.360 a different world to the one we are in now. 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.800 Yeah, and they don't you know, and this is the 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.240 beginning of the modern world, right, but they haven't seen 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:24.720 it yet. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.080 Yeah, there's any one way to really experience that. 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.320 So yeah, you have to go through it. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:31.960 So we're going to take an ad break and when 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.440 we come back, we are going to get to the Yippies, 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.800 the other group that's protesting at this convention. All right, 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.920 and we are back from the advertisements at the Yippies 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.800 with have loved hijacking. So the Yippies are another group 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.720 that we don't have anything really like this today because 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.720 this is the year twenty two, twenty four. Everyone kind 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.160 of smokes I mean not everyone, but people just kind 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.720 of smoke weed right all the time. Yeah, it's pretty normal, 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.000 but in sixty eight, this is really not that we're 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:16.120 mob are very very explicit political people, right capital P politics, 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:21.160 you know, communists, socialists, some like sort of left liberals, progressives, 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.360 et cetera, et cetera. There, and they're very clearly doing 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:27.920 politics conventionally. The Yippies are a counterculture group. It's this 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.520 mix of people who are political radicals to get caught 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.680 up in sort of this counterculture stuff. And then a 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.760 lot of them are just kind of counterculture people who 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.360 mostly just sort of want sex, drugs and rock and roll, 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.200 but see this as the way to sort of resist 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:45.320 the sort of death machine that they see themselves as 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:45.800 living in. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.240 Yeah, I think this is the time people start talking 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.600 about the MARCUSI in great refusal a lot in nineteen 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.240 sixty eight, right, and then kind of people going big 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:55.800 are different directions with that. 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:56.360 Yeah. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.440 Also these people are we'll get into this warness. These 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.680 people are not very theoretically sophisticated. Ye right, I'm not 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.920 reading her, but they are stoned out of their minds 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.600 at literally all times, you know. And so yippie is 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.919 a term that didn't exist before the sixty a Convention. 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.359 It was developed specifically as part of a plan to 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.880 do a sort of protest things as this rallying cry 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.399 of yeppee against the sort of death machine of the 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.199 Democratic National Convention, which everyone thought was going to nominate 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:29.200 LBJA to do more firebombing of Vietnam. And so their 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.200 plan is, and this is something that you can still 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:35.959 see kind of reflections of in some Ish modern movements, 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:37.359 so that we don't do it as much anymore. But 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.320 their plan was to have this sort of festival of 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:43.320 life to counterpose against the DNC's festival of death. They 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.720 were going to have a bunch of singers and people 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:49.440 were just going to like have public sex, and their 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.200 thesis of how they're trying to do this is to 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.920 hijack the sort of mass medium machine, which they see 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.520 as the kind of defining element of modern society. Right 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.680 it is the element a sort of totalitarian and social control, 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.400 and their plan is to hijack it for for their 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:08.480 own purposes. This is superficially similar to something you see 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.359 from the French sixty eight ters, who have sort of, 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.080 by the time this is happening, have done a revolution 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.160 that doesn't quite work well. We'll cover on the show 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.440 at some point. And the French sixty eight ters, both 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.919 the students and the workers who very very nearly take 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.480 control of France, are heavily influenced by a theorist named 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.520 Guide to Board and his sort of ubiquitous book The 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.840 Society a Spectacle, And superficially these are very similar things. 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:36.920 But the Board's. 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:41.639 Analysis is a technologically sort of ideologically sophisticated analysis the 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.679 social relations. And again, the Yippies are, contrary to that, 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.879 stone out of their minds at literally all times. 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:52.320 Yeah. Yeah, they're doing like t moo dot com gidable. Yeah. 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.439 Well, so I'm going to read back to back a 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.680 line an average line from Guide to Board Society a spectacle. 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.520 And then I'm going to give you a quote from 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.600 an Abbi Hoffman, who's one of the people who invents 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.439 the term yippium, to give a quote from one of 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.439 his speeches at the sixty eight convention. So here is 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:11.320 an average Guide to Board Society a spectacle line quote. 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.600 The spectacle is the existing order's uninterrupted discourse about itself. 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.119 It's laudatory monologue. It is the self portrait of power 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.240 in the epoch if it's totalitarian management of the conditions 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:27.320 of existence. The fetishistic, purely objective appearance. The spectacular relations 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.200 conceal the fact that their relations among men in classes. 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.480 Second nature with its fatal law, seems to dominate our environments. 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:38.320 But the spectacle is not the necessary product of technical development, 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.840 seen as a natural development. The society of the spectacle is, 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.240 on the contrary, the form which chooses its own technical content. 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.400 So this is this is this is what the people 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:49.960 and this is what the sixty eight is in France 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.080 are reading. Here is Yippie founder Abbi Hoffman, this is 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.320 this is in a speech. Why he would call it 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.480 a rap or something, But this is in a rambling 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:03.040 that he gives to a crowd sixty eight convention, meet 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.760 the press, face the nation, issues and answers all those 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.000 bullshit shows. You know, you get a Democrat and a 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.639 Republican arguing back and forward, this and that, this and 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.360 yeah yeah yeah. But at the end of the show, 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.240 nobody changes their fucking mind, you see. But they're trying 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.520 to push Brillo. You see, that's good. You want to 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.440 use Brillo. See in about every ten minutes on will 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.679 come three minutes of Brillo. Brillow is a revolution, Brillow 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:29.840 is sex, Brillo is fun. Brillo is At the end 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.520 of the show, people late fucking switching from Democrat or 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:34.960 Republican or commis. You know, the right wingers ready of 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.760 that shit. They're buying Brillo. I mean, can you imagine 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:40.440 if they had the Beatles gain zing zing zing, all 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.080 that jump and shout, you know, and all of a 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.119 sudden they put an ad where this guy comes on 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.359 very straight. You ought to buy Brillo because it's the 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.480 rationally correct decision. Part of the American process is the 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:50.440 right way to do things. 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:51.159 You know. 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:55.359 Fuck, they'll buy the Beatles, they won't buy Brillow. So 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:01.280 this is a semi incomprehensible rat right, is this just 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.960 goes on. And in the middle of this kind of 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:08.879 semi in cohre intentionally semi incoherent nonsense, is this point 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:13.000 about how the thing that changes people's minds is advertising, right, 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.119 and not not the sort of business of politics as usual. 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.120 It's this sort of performance spectacle that is the real 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:22.959 thing that like actually changes how people think. These are 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.960 performance artists, right, Alan Ginsberg, sort of famous beat Poe 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:27.280 is was one of the people who's going to be 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:31.080 speaking there. He's writing sort of, he's writing poetry about it. 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:33.359 The people are doing theater performances. If you've seen like 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.160 the giant puppets that used to be at Big protest 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.960 that was kind of a descendant of this stuff. Oh yeah, 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.359 And these performance artists are setting out to hijack the 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:45.200 biggest stage in the world and turn it against the war. 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:50.160 And that stage is the nineteen sixty eight Democratic Convention. Unfortunately, however, 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:53.160 if there's one group in the US who is even 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.600 less prepared for a street fight than MOBIZ, it is 0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:00.840 the Yippies. The Yippies they you know, at least the 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:03.880 more radical members of MOBE have pretensions of street fighting. 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:08.440 The Yippies are not street fighters at all, and this 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:10.920 is something that's distinct from most of the sixty eight 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:14.040 up prices. Most of the sixty eight uprisings everywhere are 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.199 characterized by people who are very, very good at this, right, 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:20.040 and these protesters fight very well. I mean, the most 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:21.800 famous ones We've talked about it a little bit already 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:24.080 of the Japanese student movements, who have this sort of 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:27.320 iconic white construction hats and these giant wooden pulls. They 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:32.080 used to literally fight riot police at rage. But you know, students, workers, 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.000 and just like random people off the street everywhere from 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.280 Italy to France to Pakistan are able to fight the 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:41.080 police on fairly even footing. They equit themselves valiantly. The Yippies, 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:43.240 on the other hand, every single time they come into 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:48.680 contact with the police, they get absolutely mauled. And you know, 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:52.720 the pre DNC Yippie protests are extremely peaceful, right, You're 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.399 not even disruptive. They have permits and the police just 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:59.600 batter them. And this is kind of the plan, right. 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:02.679 These attacks are generating media coverage, and the Yippies are 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:05.440 trying to hijack this media coverage to spread their message, 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:09.320 and this kind of works to some extent. Part of 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:11.400 the problem, though, is that one of the biggest newspapers 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:15.480 in Chicago is Chicago Tribune, who are a kind of 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:19.359 reactionary that I mean, I guess we still have them, 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:21.800 but this is the kind of magazine that would have 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:24.320 been right there with the economists saying that, like all 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:27.800 of the Irish dying was good. Right, that's the kind 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:30.439 of like when the British killed them with the famine, right, Like. 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:34.080 This is the kind of kind of reactionary that the 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:36.840 Chicago Tribune is. And so some of their protest hijacking 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:39.679 stuff doesn't really work in Chicago because you'll have these 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:42.080 protests where just the Tribune shows up, and if your 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:45.640 Fribune shows up, the coverage of the cops just absolutely 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:47.320 beating the crap out of a bunch of people who 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.760 were just walking on sidewalks is going to be something 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:55.639 like did the police defeat unruly demonstrators or something. Before 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:57.720 we go any further, and by any further, we're gonna 0:23:57.720 --> 0:23:59.439 talk about how these years relate to each other, and 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:02.440 oh boy, we need to go to the thing the 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:05.240 Yippies would have been hijacking, which is these products and services. 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:08.320 We're continuing in their noble tradition by using their money 0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:12.760 to do this episode. 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:20.440 We are back. 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:24.679 So something that I think is very interesting about these 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:26.680 two groups. That is the final thing that you kind 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:31.240 of have to understand about why these protests go the 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.520 way they do. I've talked a bit about how sort 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:36.040 of the more radical parts of MOB and the Yippies, 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.120 who are very radical are are kind of being isolated 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:40.880 from the more moderate elements right, and this is part 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:45.320 of Mayor Daily's deliberate strategy. Daily is the all powerful 0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:47.280 mayor of Chicago. He's one of the sort of the 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.720 builders of America's greatest ever political machine, which is the 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:54.639 Chicago Machine. By this point, he has single hand almost 0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:58.280 single handedly like one elections for the Democratic Party by 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:01.000 handing them ILLINOI on a platter. He is the guy, 0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:03.240 one of the people who turns Illinois from a swing 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:05.800 state into a say that votes for Democrats by Norla's 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:09.040 margins every single year. And he does this through this 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:13.760 incredibly powerful patriotish network and corruption network, and Dalies deliver 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:16.520 strategies to try to sort of separate He's trying to 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:18.520 knock the moderates out of the protests by threatening that 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:21.480 he's going to just like obliterate these people right by, 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.640 and also by continuously denying them permits so that certain 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:27.200 more water people won't show up. Yeah, and so the 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:29.159 plan is basically to isolate them. And part of the 0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:32.760 other reason why this works is that this whole plan 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:37.280 is opposed by a group you wouldn't really expect to 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:42.399 be opposing it, which is the Communists. CPUSA wants nothing 0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:45.240 to do with this. Even the SVP Socials Workers Party, 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:47.679 who are the Trotskyites who have very important roles in 0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.879 MOB they're part of a faction that doesn't want to 0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:53.800 do the DNC convention going in And this is something 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:58.280 you see all over nineteen sixty eight because weirdly, the 0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:01.480 communist parties in sixty eight are a very conservative force. 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.240 This is something that we've talked about on the show before. 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:08.560 In places like Chile, you have fairly moderate Christian Democratic 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:11.600 Workers going into the streets and meanwhile the Chilean Communist 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:13.560 Party is going, no, no hold on, we must slow 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:14.679 the pains of reforms. 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:17.000 Yeah, yeah, this isn't it. 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:19.399 And you know that's even more mild example than what 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:21.720 happens in France, where the French Communist Party blows its 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.440 one shot of ever taking power by straight up working 0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:26.800 with the government to stamp out the May sixty eight uprisings. 0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:26.960 There. 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:31.479 These old left parties are very conservative, both because you know, 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:33.960 on an international level, because some of them are in 0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:36.560 the sort of common turn orbit right, so they're taking 0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:39.240 orders directly from Moscow, and Moscow doesn't want any disruption. 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.800 And in the US a lot of the older activists 0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:46.320 don't want a confrontation because they're all still petrified of 0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:49.280 the Red Scare, and so they're terrified of anything that 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:52.720 could like even sort of alienate a single person. And 0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:55.919 this means that to some extent, all Mob and the 0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:58.119 Yippies really have over each other. But the problem is 0:26:58.160 --> 0:26:59.720 the Mob and the Yippies hate each other. 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:02.240 That's the Tennis Odust time. 0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:03.760 Yeah, it's it's amazing. 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:05.840 And again this is something that like all of the 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:08.560 mode people agree about which they agree about nothing. The 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:10.399 only thing they agree about is they don't even they 0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:13.399 don't even agree about fully demanding an end to the 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.480 Vietnam War right like a immediate They don't agree with 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.520 anything except they hate the Yippies because they see the 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:23.480 Yippies as these like deeply unseerious bourgeois degenerates who are 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:27.280 just having sex and doing drugs that are just literally 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.520 the same culture that they're trying to resist. The yippeec 0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:33.359 mobe has sort of self righteous assholes who are locked 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.080 in this death spiral of comically serious politics that are 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.159 also just a reflection of the thing they're opposing. So 0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:42.480 you know, they both of these people take the same 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:46.840 things about each other. But meanwhile, both of these groups 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:48.959 and really everyone else in the US is going to 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:51.879 have to ride the wildest wave of vibe shifts in 0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:55.639 the entirety of American history. So all right, we we 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.320 kind of famously had our vibe shift when Biden dropped 0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:01.880 out and everyone was like, whoa hold on? Better things 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:06.480 are possible? Question mark, yeah, question. There's also a vibe 0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.120 shift in sixty eight when when LBJ drops out. It's 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:11.760 March thirty first, But there are key differences here though, 0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:16.240 Right Biden has already won the nomination right by the 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:18.679 time that he is forced out, and when he is 0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:21.840 forced out, there is great rejoicing. Everyone's really happy about it. 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.080 Even the old Biden stalle wards immediately fall on line 0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:25.000 behind Kamal Harris. 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:29.280 Right, yeah, right, that Biden's wins account changed his name. 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.240 Ya, yeah right. 0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:35.600 Sixty eight is much much bessier than that. LBJ doesn't 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:39.200 drop out until he almost loses a He almost think 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:43.480 he's the new Hampshire primary to anti war candidate Eugene McCarthy, 0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:45.440 not to be confused with the other McCarthy. I was 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:47.760 really baffled the first time I just saw people talking 0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:48.400 about McCarthy. 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:49.640 I was like, what, wait, hold. 0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:53.720 On, yeah, this is this is anti war star warts 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:58.760 Senator Eugene McCarthy. And McCarthy almost beating LBJ in a 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:03.000 very conservative state really sort of lights this fire under LBJ. 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:07.760 And LBJ realizes that he could win the nomination, but 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:09.960 if he does that, he's going to lose general lussion, 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:14.280 so he books it and drops out. When LBJ drops out, 0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.360 there's a competitive primary. The other reason the primary is 0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:21.080 competitive is that RFK takes this as a shining moment 0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:23.120 and goes, I am going to enter the race as 0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:28.080 the anti war candidate. Now we now have our tragedy 0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:29.240 as farce RFK. 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:34.479 Gee jesus, Yeah, just to be clear, if people aren't familiar, 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:38.240 not the same dude, no, no different, Bobby Kennedy. 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:44.000 Yeah, this is RFK. RFK really is seen as as 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:46.520 a guy, and both hum and McCarthy are seen by 0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:49.120 young people who have been disillusioned by LBJ as someone 0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:51.520 who can you can sort of like take this anti 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:56.120 war platform national right, and there is a massive vibe shift. 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.080 For a moment, there is hope. And this is a 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:01.560 real problem for the antie war fashions because this kind 0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.960 of thing is exactly how the US got into this 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:07.360 mess in the first place. LBJ ran this same con 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:09.760 in sixty four. Yeah, exactly, and they got Leckt and 0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:13.200 immediately made the war worse. So, you know, I think 0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:15.200 there's a tendency to look back on the anti war 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:19.160 protesters as these sort of like spoiler people who ruin 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.120 the democratic nomination or whatever. But you know, they were 0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:25.240 right to a large extent to be incredibly suspicious of 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:26.720 anti war democratic candidates. 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:27.760 Yeah. 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.200 But you know this also throws all of the planning 0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:32.400 for the protests and the chaos, because the center point 0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:34.960 of the protest for both MOB and the Yippies was 0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.760 to show an alternative to this sort of stagnant war, 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:41.120 ubund death machine politics of LBJ. But suddenly, like if 0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:43.680 there's an anti war candidate who's a nominee, it becomes 0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:46.240 so much harder to make this case. And these people 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.920 are really unbelievably depressed. The vibes everywhere else in the 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.800 country are great. Everyone believes in hope again, it's hope 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:57.520 and change. So they have their Obama and then RFK 0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:03.400 gets assassinated. Everything goes to shit almost immediately. I mean, 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:05.720 the vibes are so bad that famously, one of the 0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.880 one of the mob guys, I think he's on camera 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:12.640 just weeping because I mean, he and Bobby Kennedy had 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:14.480 kind of had sort of known each other through the 0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:17.520 sort of anti war networks, and he's not a Kennedy supporter. 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.800 But when Kennedy gets killed, it's basically imagine our vibe 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:24.400 shift immediately flipped at his head and went even more 0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:27.360 rancid than it had been the feeling that you all 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:33.080 had in the week after the failed Trump assassination. Right, yeah, 0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:35.480 And you can see this as interesting, Right, like all 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.680 of the elements of ninety sixty eight are here in 0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:42.120 twenty twenty four. Right, you have your own popular president leaving, 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:44.760 you have a vibe shift, you have a Kennedy, you 0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:49.040 have an assassination attempt, but the pieces fit together differently 0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:52.800 because what happens is, you know, the vibe shift collapses 0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:59.120 with the RFK assassination, and suddenly, you know, anti war's 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.280 back on the table. But on the other hand, McCarthy's 0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:04.719 still in the race, right, Eugie McCarthy, who's the other 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:06.120 anti war candidate, is still. 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:06.400 In the race. 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:12.640 However, it is becoming increasingly clear that what is going 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:14.960 to happen at the convention is that Eugene McCarthy is 0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.000 going to get rat fucked, and they are going to 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:21.560 put Hubert Humphrey, who is lbj's vice president, back in 0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:26.200 the saddle under the same policies. And this too is 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:30.440 a sort of inversion of twenty twenty four. The party 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:34.160 elites ousting Biden and installing Kamala Harris is broadly unbelievably 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:40.040 popular with the base. Yeah, Hubert Humphrey doesn't run in primaries. 0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:42.920 He just wins by rankling all the delegates to vote 0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:46.520 for him. In this incredible series and sort of smoke 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:51.000 filled backroom deals and peeling off people who've been Kennedy delegates, 0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:55.440 and it becomes clear that he's going to win. But 0:32:55.680 --> 0:33:01.240 it's terrifying because what has happened is that the Democratic elite, 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.680 against the will of law of democratic voters, has just 0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:07.480 straight up stolen this election. Right they have they have 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:09.480 stolen it. They have rat fucked Eugene McCarthy. 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:14.360 Yeah, this is kind of like the right has unsuccessfully 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.480 tried to play this narrative again, right. 0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:18.520 Yeah, and again. The thing about Harris is that she 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:21.320 is seen as something different than Biden. Yeah, this is 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.440 this partially has to do with the differences in Biden's 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:24.640 weakness versus lbj's. 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:24.880 Right. 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.360 A huge part of Biden's weakness that everyone thinks he's 0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:32.000 completely senile, Yeah, because she is objectively senile. Yeah, yeah, 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.720 because he can't fucking certain together. A sentence goes off 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.680 that Trump can. No, not the Trump can either, right, 0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:40.440 but it was, but Biden's was sort of more visible, right, Yeah, 0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:42.600 because of sort of the way the media works, because 0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:44.640 of Trump's ability to sort of run away. 0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:46.640 There's a lot of factors in this, right. Yeah. 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.040 No one on Earth thinks that LBJ is seen now, 0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.640 not even his worst enemies. I think that that man 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:57.640 is senile, right. His problem is his policies and the 0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.800 problem with that is that his policies are being transferred 0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.600 directly to his successor, who is as vice president. Whereas 0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:06.800 Kamala Harris does not have the fundamental weakness of Joe Biden, 0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:09.080 which is that she successfully and she is the first 0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:10.920 major American political figure has been able to do this 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:15.920 in eight years. She can string together three consecutive sentences yeah. 0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:19.279 Which yeah, it appears like a manner from heaven to 0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:22.520 the sort of politics appreciator classes, right when they have 0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.359 to explain to all of us why we're pure rad 0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:28.359 and juvenile of warning politics outside of politicians, while their 0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:32.720 politicians are like struggling to do a whole paragraph without 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:36.240 talking about their corn pop or Scranton, Pennsylvania or something. 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:40.399 Yeah. And so this is you know, even as we're 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.960 heading into the convention, things are things are going to 0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:44.000 be very different. 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:44.879 Than they're going to play out now. 0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:48.040 But there's one thing that is exactly the same. If 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:52.719 that is your your cargo police departments. No changes. The 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:57.520 only change is they are slightly, slightly, not not significantly, 0:34:57.600 --> 0:34:59.640 they are slightly less willing to say the N word 0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:01.560 in public like a little baby. 0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:01.960 Yeah. 0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.800 And in return for that, they got approximately ten million 0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:09.680 dollars of fucking weapons. Yeah yeah, ready up to you. 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:12.640 These people are exactly the same as today. They are 0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:15.759 overpaid and titled asshole screaming for violence. They are screaming it. 0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:17.759 They're going to take their vengeance against what they see 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.200 as a leftist conspiracy to protect criminals and hand the 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:24.759 country to communists. They are precisely the swine who beat 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:26.880 us in the streets in twenty twenty. These people in 0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.960 sixty eight are precisely the men today who ran a 0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:32.600 black site at Home and Square to torture, to disappear, 0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.440 and torture suspects and the false confessions, and who boldly 0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:37.920 set out a few years ago to kill a sixteen 0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:40.239 year old with sixteen shots on a cover up. This 0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:42.759 is the exact same Chicago police department that it wasn't 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.600 sixty eight, and in fact, all of the key elements 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:46.680 of the modern police department. 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:47.960 This is the period. Richard M. 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:49.720 Daily is one of the people who gets the cops 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:53.040 to unionize, and again we're gonna see Daily is really 0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:56.280 truly a terrible person. Daily wants the teamsters to organize 0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:59.640 the cops. That doesn't work at all. He's bid completely fails. 0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:02.279 The organized with the Fraternal Order of Police, who are 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:06.279 just effectively a giant cartel for police murderers now and 0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:08.239 they were at the time. There are a bunch of 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:11.000 unbelievable reaction areas, a bunch of their leaderships will do things. 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:11.680 Like quote Hitler. 0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:15.400 They just can't fucking stop themselves. 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:17.439 No, yeah, so I. 0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:18.680 Want to read I'm going to read sort of the 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:19.960 modern police statements. 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:21.520 Quote. 0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:23.759 The better we do our job of envoicing the law, 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:25.840 the more we are attacked. The state of our so 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:29.640 called objective press is sad to behold subtly. Too many 0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:33.160 so called objective news writers attempt to excuse the actions 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.280 of minorities. Oh wait, that's not that's not the modern police, 0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:38.400 that's the sixty eight police saying a thing that is 0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:42.800 literally identical to every police statement today. 0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:47.200 They not changed at all, because no one made them. 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.919 No, this is sort of the trap that the anti 0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.400 war people are walking into, right, they are walking into 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:58.919 a bunch of ultra radicalized, unbelievably pissed off cops who 0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:02.040 are elevating at the attempt to sort of beat up 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:05.040 long haired hippies. And also, there's one thing we should 0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.879 also make clear that's that's very different between this anti 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.760 war movement and the modern one, which is that mob 0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:17.120 and the yippies are terrifyingly white. They might be whiter 0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:20.800 than the cops at this It's it's genuinely possible, that's true. 0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:24.680 You give these love for reasons that are incomprehensible to 0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.640 be other than racism. Absolutely love dressing up in like 0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:32.120 indigenous costumes. Oh god, yeah, it's awful. 0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:33.720 Yeah. 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:35.520 And part of what's going on is that the sort 0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.400 of black radical groups don't really want to be involved 0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:40.520 in this. Yeah we can, we can see why, you know, 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:42.840 they're anti war, but they're like, this is not our problem. 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:44.439 You can sort this out. 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:44.960 Yeah. 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.560 And this is also another thing, a very very key 0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:51.240 difference between that anti war sort of coalition and today's 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:54.120 because today's anti war coalition. If you go to any 0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:55.799 of the campus occupations, right, you go to an anti 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.760 war protests, it's basically a combination of two of two groups. 0:37:58.840 --> 0:37:59.000 Right. 0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:03.600 It's queer white people and just non white people in general, 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:05.320 some of whom are queer, with some of whom aren't. 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.840 And that's the core of sort of protest organization of 0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:10.320 the US, right, those are the core of the people. 0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:12.800 Who show up, yeah, and then seventeen people with fucking 0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:15.720 clipboards trying to get them to sign up for their various. 0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.480 Well, those are the leeches that show up to sort 0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.480 of prey on pray on the Yeah. 0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.600 Yeah, they are the lamp prey on the on the 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:24.719 shock of protests. 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:25.680 Yeah yeah. 0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:29.080 But this plays out very differently politically because of who 0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:32.280 has been mobilized into sort of anti war things now 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:34.600 versus who is showing up to this convention. And this 0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:36.759 is going to be true of the people who show 0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:39.640 up to the convention this time, right, Yeah, they are 0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:42.720 very much not the same kind of sort of middle 0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:46.440 class student people who were showing up to like disconventional 0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:47.680 though not all those people, but like there are a 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.040 lot of people who are workers, right, but like they're 0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:53.040 distressingly white, and that is that is simply not true 0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:55.120 of the modern movement. It's one of the reasons why 0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:57.680 the pieces don't quite fit. 0:38:58.360 --> 0:38:58.440 Right. 0:38:58.440 --> 0:38:59.640 We need to go do some more ads and then 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:01.880 we're going to sort of wrap up what actually happened 0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:03.120 at the convention and how it. 0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:04.200 Sort of shook out politically. 0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:18.880 We are back. So the other thing that guarantees really 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:20.880 that this is going to descend into sort of chaos. 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:21.239 Is that? 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:25.520 I mean, even days before the events, right, neither the 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:28.360 mode people nor the Yippies really know what they're planning 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.920 to do. The planning has been terrible. Part of it 0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:33.200 is because again they can't get permits from the city, 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.560 and it's really hard to plan when you can't know 0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:39.279 what you're supposed to be doing. There's also internal disagreements 0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:42.719 in the groups of what to do. There's also a 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:48.319 truly staggering federal infiltration and not just the normal feds, right, 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:53.839 we're talking like military intelligence. Oh wow, the Army's intelligence 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:57.320 office is spying on protesters. They have guys inside of 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:02.720 McCarthy's campaign that should the legal like it doesn't matter 0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:05.839 if it's legal, it doesn't, right, it's but it's it's nuts, 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:07.719 and you know, I mean there's an estimate that that's 0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:11.960 from sixty Chicago, that book, that one in six protesters 0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:12.839 were informants. 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:17.040 Oh fuck me, it's like Afterwaffin ratio they've got going up. 0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:17.759 Yeah yeah. 0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.200 And like part of this is the numbers of protests 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:22.239 here aren't very good because people are terrified that the 0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:25.200 CPD is going to start killing everyone. So the actual 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:27.759 number is even as peak is maybe ten thousand, which 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:30.920 is pretty small considering that the Pentagon mob mobilization that 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:33.160 mob had done in sixty seven was like one hundred 0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:36.120 thousand people. Well, right, they've been able to put together 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:40.320 really massive protests, but this one is not that large. 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:44.000 So the Yippi's kind of do their concert thing. But 0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:46.480 the moment night hits and they're trying to be in 0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:49.600 this park, the police attack. The police are incredibly brutal. 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:53.040 By about three days in the National Guard gets deployed. 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:55.640 And this is something about sixty eight that's also different 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:58.919 from today. If the National Guard is deployed today, it's 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:04.680 not the same thing now as as as a national 0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:07.160 Guard deployment CDA, because the national Guard deployment in sixty 0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:10.920 eight very well could mean that the army is going 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:11.440 to kill you. 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:12.040 All right. 0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:15.600 This is a period in which the National Guard, their 0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.719 riot control mechanism is a line of guys with bayonets. 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:22.000 Yeah, he's not to say that these bayonets les lethal. 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.359 Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's or less lethal because 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.360 when they're actually going lethal, and they've done this in 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:28.319 the past three or four years against a bunch of 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:30.080 the sort of black cop risings have been happening. Is 0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:32.560 they just shoot people? Yeah, right, they straight up kill them. 0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:34.560 This happened in Chicago. That was more of the cops 0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:37.600 the National Guard because read Holy Week, they were sort 0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:39.160 of told to stand down. So it's not to like 0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:43.000 literally destroy the entire country in the giant war. But 0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:47.799 you know, them showing up also really pisses off the 0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:51.040 organizers and everything that happens to the cops start beating 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:53.839 the organizers, and this, it turns out, is a bad 0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:56.399 idea because it turns out if you beat people, they 0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:59.719 get really angry at you. And so suddenly you have 0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:03.000 all these mob guys who literally their plan going into 0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:04.520 the convention was we don't want to have a fight 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:07.400 because we're gonna lose. Who are suddenly like, well fuck it, 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:09.080 they're attacking U. Anyway, We're gonna fight them. 0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:09.920 Yeah. 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:13.200 And this is where everything sort of the police completely 0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:16.480 go off the rails, right, This is where you see, 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:18.319 you know, all of the sort of famous footage of 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:20.600 beatings outside the convention. Although, and I will put this 0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:22.759 something Robert pointed out is that like anyone who was 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:24.920 in Portland and twenty twenty has been through stuff that's 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:28.839 way worse than anything anyone saw here. Like you statistically 0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.080 probably have seen something that was much worse than what 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.399 happened to the people, Which is not saying it wasn't bad, right, 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:35.560 I mean, these are people getting horribly beaten by guys 0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:36.320 with billy clubs. 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:38.759 But yeah, it just happens all the time. 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:42.080 Now, we are so far past this being a thing 0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:44.120 that nobody's ever seen before or whatever. 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:46.680 Right, Yeah, we had a moment where I could have stopped, 0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:49.879 and a lot of people fucking tried. Yeah, And as 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:53.080 a country, we are going down the path of the 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:54.840 cops beating people and getting away with it like that 0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:56.520 is yeah, where we're at politically. 0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:59.520 Yeah, and in experience saxty eight, the cops, the cops 0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:02.719 are able to go even more feral than they are now, 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:04.880 which is slightly more fail Which is to say that 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:09.160 this storm McCarthy's campaign office and they have his campaign 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:10.080 staffers beaten. 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:12.680 Oh damn, Yeah, that is that is advanced. 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:17.480 Yeah, I've never heard of another modern political thing where 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.840 police straight up stormed a campaign office of a presidential 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:26.600 campaign and had his staffers beaten. Right, And this has 0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:30.520 a massive impact inside of the convention itself because what's 0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:33.760 happening in the convention is not what we got with Kamala, 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:35.719 where like the old is gone and here's the new 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:37.640 or whatever, and you know you can you can look 0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:40.640 for some kind of break there. It is Humphrey has 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:44.800 been put in. Humphrey is LBJ two. Lbj's Vietnam policy 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:48.120 is inscribed by vote into the platform of the Democratic 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:49.680 Party for what they're going to run in sixty eight. 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.200 And meanwhile, outside right, as a sort of rat fock 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:56.200 is happening, and as the party leadership is installing Hubert Humphrey, 0:43:57.320 --> 0:43:59.920 the sort of liberal anti war wing of the part 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:04.000 Party is recoiling in horror. A McCarthy delegate who's a 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:08.280 senator famously is about to go on stage and endorse, 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.440 endorse super Humphrey because Humphrey's won the nomination. They have 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:15.160 to come together unity. But he's washing out the window 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:17.520 as the police are just like throwing kids around and 0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.680 beating the shit out of them, and he instead gives 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.360 this speech where he says that if McCarthy was president, 0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:28.359 the cops wouldn't be using gestapo tactics, and Chicago Bay 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:31.520 Or Richard M. Daly gets so angry that he starts 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.239 screaming from the crowd, and I quote, and I apologize 0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:36.799 for saying this, but you need to understand who the 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:40.640 party elite is in this period. He says, quote, fuck 0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:43.680 you, you juice, son of a bitch, You lousy motherfucker. Go home. 0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:49.040 He is the mayor of Chicago. On the floor live 0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:53.160 on TV at the Democratic National Convention. Jeez, you are 0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:56.080 watching in sixty eight. You can see in real time 0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:59.760 on TV the entire Democratic Party completely fall apart. 0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:00.680 Yeah. 0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.719 Fuck the Yeah, the mosque has come off, that hasn't it. 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:05.560 Yeah, everything everything's flowing apart. 0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:05.960 You can see. 0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:07.560 You can see the divisions. A lot of liberal anti 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:11.680 war candidates refuse to back, like Humphrey and his people. 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:15.360 They eventually come back together sort of as the general 0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:18.640 election approaches, but the damage is done and that's not 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.680 something that we're really at risk of. 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:24.640 No, they seem to be a pretty much lock step 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:29.160 right now, like both with police violence and with what 0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:33.879 was happening in Palestine. Like, there's not much like real 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:38.239 within the party, the Democrat Party, like much descent that 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:39.719 I can see. 0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:42.160 Yeah, you know, and I think the other thing about 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:44.279 about the state election, people are trying to compare it 0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:46.359 to the twenty twenty four election, is that the Democrats 0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:50.560 only lost by about one percent of the vote, or 0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:52.239 sub one percent of the vote, even even though it 0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.120 was a blowout. They only lost about one percent of 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:56.560 the vote in sixty eight. And a big part of 0:45:56.600 --> 0:46:00.000 what happened also was that George Wallace, the insane segregate 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:02.640 this guy was also running and drew a whole bunch 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:03.640 of electoral votes. 0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:05.440 Yeah, which we'd an't really have. 0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:08.520 But you know, the Democrats almost succesfully rallied and beat 0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:10.879 Nixon Nixon, you know, and this is something that there's 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:14.320 this narrative that Nixon wins by sort of unbelievable margins 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:17.000 and that he represented the sort of silent majority, and 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:20.439 that's only sort of true. But on the other hand, 0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.919 the ground in the US since then has changed, right 0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.040 the uprisings of the nineteen sixties, and this is from 0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:28.200 the Holy Week uprisings to the process of the d NC. 0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:33.480 All of these protests are hideously unpopular. Everything MLK does, 0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:37.640 everyone hates it, right literally until MLK dies, right. And 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:39.880 there's actually a very fun example of this. Bear Daily 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:44.839 had absolutely hated MLKA when he was alive. Right, he 0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:47.680 gives speeches to college him saying he's stirring up trouble 0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:49.920 and like Astlety despised him, and in the moment he dies, 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.520 he gives a speech saying everyone should follow Mlka's example 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:58.359 and remained peaceful and not in the state literally days after. Right, Yeah, 0:46:58.560 --> 0:46:59.960 but that's the thing. All of these, all of the 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:04.360 these things are unbelievably unpopular. And you know, the gap 0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:07.600 between their giant uprising which was holy weak and the 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:11.720 election was a few months whereas you know, in twenty 0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:14.960 twenty four, Right, the twenty twenty four uprising was marked 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:19.840 by over fifty percent approval for burning a police station down. Yeah, right, 0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:24.320 it was actually extremely popular. And even even four years later, 0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:26.080 you know, with the sort of memory of the tear 0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:32.279 gas fading, everything about American politics is operating in reverse. Increasingly, 0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:34.080 it is not the left that's seen as out of 0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.719 touch radicals to attempting to force their agenda on a 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:41.000 compliant population. It's the right. The silent majority today is 0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:44.760 not composed of evangelical fanatics whose children monitor their porn consumption. 0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:48.040 It is composed of people who think that shit is weird. 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:50.239 And that's the thing that I want to close on 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:53.080 which is that you know, in twenty twenty four, in 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:56.319 a lot of ways, is sixty eight standing on its head, 0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:59.640 because everything that comes after the election is seen as 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:02.120 the backlash to the sort of excess of sixty eight. Right, 0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:05.080 But we are already living in the backlash the last 0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:08.080 four years, the last eight years, right. Trump Ism is 0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:10.319 the backlash of Ferguson, and then all of the sort 0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:12.200 of desant to stuff, the anti trans stuff, all of 0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:14.920 the weird grumor panic, you know, all the anti critical 0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:17.719 race theory stuff, all of the racism, all of that. 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:21.720 That's all the backlash to twenty twenty and it sucks. 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:25.840 Everyone hates it. It's awful. And so we are in 0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:30.040 a period where the backlash that sort of swept in 0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:33.400 the Republicans to power for a generation, that that's going 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:35.200 to sort of come out of the Nickson EARI that's 0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:37.960 eventually going to lead to Reagan. It's entirely possible that 0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:41.040 we are about to see basically the opposite of that, 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:44.600 where this kind of backlash politics, this kind of sort 0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:50.040 of Trumpian fascism, this very well could be twenty twenty 0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:52.240 four could be the shore on which that wave breaks. 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:53.480 We can hope. 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:55.280 I'm hoping. 0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:55.680 I don't know. 0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:58.120 I am mildly hopeful. I also, you know, and this 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:00.160 is an other thing that's sport, is this convention. It's 0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:02.719 not going to look anything like even if there is 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:05.720 intense suppression of the protests, it's not going to play 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:08.600 the same way politically as as sixty eight convention did. 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.560 Yeah, the history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes, right, 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:16.080 and I think there will be similarities here. But it 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:20.440 is impossible for the way that the state interacts with 0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:23.319 protest to beat the same and for people to be 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:26.440 as shocked by it as they were in sixty eight, right, 0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:30.680 like a good number of Democrats, Like you know, if 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:33.680 you go on social media, okay, it's my representative example, 0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:36.560 you've seen plenty of people barking for cops to crack 0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:39.840 the heads of kids or people of any age, like 0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:43.640 protesting against a fucking genocide. Like people don't care anymore. 0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:46.000 I guess if you're clapping for bombing babies, you're also 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:48.239 going to clap for smashing students in the face of 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:49.960 the club, Like I kind of go together. 0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:52.200 I guess, yeah, And I mean that, I don't know. 0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:55.360 I think the sort of long range things about anti 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.360 war movements is that the actual anti war movement almost 0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:01.920 never stops the war right in the short run. Immediately, 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:05.319 it almost never works. But what happened with Vietnam was, 0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:08.359 in the long run, the protests and the sty eight 0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:10.560 did stop the war, right. But they stopped the war 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:13.240 not by not by moving sort of traditional American politics. 0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:16.320 They stop the war by being one of the catalysts 0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:19.800 that radicalized enough enough of the US army that almost 0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:21.719 by by the time the war ends, something like half 0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:23.960 of it is either on strike or openly in revolt, 0:50:24.960 --> 0:50:27.200 and that eventually is the thing that crushes it. And 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:29.080 I think that's also a thing for this, is that like, yeah, 0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:31.520 Kamala Harris probably not going to end the genocide. 0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:32.279 Yeah, But. 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:36.000 There's good reason for this, right. We're very used to 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:39.120 looking for immediate, direct impacts of reactions, and a lot 0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:42.440 of times the impact of reactions are in things in 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:45.400 the distant future in ways that we can't see right now. 0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:48.920 And maybe that gives you hope, maybe that doesn't, but 0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:52.960 that's sort of the way that these anti war things work, 0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:55.960 and I don't know, Hopefully we'll get a fucking better 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:59.440 result this time and we can stop the rest of 0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:03.160 Palestine from being completely exterminated. 0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:05.200 But yeah, that would be nice. 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:07.200 That's the not hopeful part of this. 0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:12.360 Yeah, well I think it's so hopeful, But it's instructive, right, Like, 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.040 if you're out there now and you're expecting some big change, 0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:17.600 if you joy attending at Chicago you're expecting some bid change, 0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:19.360 you probably won't see it. It doesn't mean that what 0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:21.360 you're doing isn't important, and it doesn't mean you shouldn't 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:21.960 keep doing it. 0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:22.800 Yeah. 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:25.000 Yeah, So this has been taken happen here. The rest 0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:27.600 of the week will be an account of what actually 0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:32.160 does happen at this convention. So stay tuned, enjoy, enjoy that, 0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:35.440 and go stop genocidal. 0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:59.799 Welcome to it could happen here a podcast about it 0:51:59.840 --> 0:52:04.360 happening here and here this week is Chicago. I'm Robert Evans. 0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:07.080 I'm here in town with Sophie Lichterman, who will not 0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:09.000 be on MIC for this episode but will be later 0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:12.239 this week. And Garrison Davis, Hello, with whom I've been 0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:14.160 out all day in the streets. 0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:17.520 We are currently recording just a few blocks away from 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:20.480 the DNC protest, the Coalition to. 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:22.960 March Down on the corn out in the street. 0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:25.600 So we apologize for whatever sounds are getting picked up. 0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:28.640 Today's been very hectic. There's been protests all day that 0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:31.040 me and Robert have been at and that's mostly what 0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:32.080 we're gonna be talking with you today. 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:35.800 So this is day one of the DNC. We actually 0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:38.680 have not yet been inside the venue, although we will 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:42.759 be later for the speeches. Today has basically all been protests. 0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:45.799 So at the start of the day I went to 0:52:46.400 --> 0:52:50.000 the kind of temporary headquarters out of like a rental space, 0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:52.759 and I think North Chicago. Don't don't quote me on 0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:55.759 the exact chunk of town. I'm bad at directions. But 0:52:56.400 --> 0:53:01.160 organizations called behind Enemy Lines and it's a local they 0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:04.719 call themselves a militant activist group. That has been kind 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:08.040 of controversial because they have made a couple of statements 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:11.839 about something. So what was the rhyme nineteen sixty eight was. 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:13.759 That the slogan they've been using is make it great, 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:14.799 like sixty eight, make it. 0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:17.840 Great, because nineteen sixty eight was a famously bloody DNC 0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:23.600 as a result of the conflict over McGovern versus Hubert Humphrey. 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:27.080 And this is not so far very much like sixty eight, 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:30.319 because everyone's known who the candidates are going to be 0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:33.600 going into this thing, and the protest today, at least 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:36.920 by the time we left, no serious violence. You know, 0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:39.120 I didn't want to talk a little bit about that 0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:43.000 group because they made some interesting statements and this is 0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:45.359 not their march today. The march today that we were 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:48.920 at is specifically billed as the family friendly one, whereas 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:51.400 Behind Enemy Lines has made a couple of statements about like, 0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:54.319 you know, collect bruises from the Chicago police. It's the 0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:56.920 new fall fashion, that sort of deal. So they're really 0:53:57.000 --> 0:53:58.759 playing up the hole. There's going to be a big 0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:02.520 conflict thing. If that happens, it'll be tomorrow because that's 0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:05.480 when their event is planned. Today was the event that 0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:08.640 everyone thought was going to be the largest march probably 0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:09.040 will be. 0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:12.759 It's called the March on the DNC twenty twenty four. Yeah, 0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:15.040 it's put together by a coalition of a lot of 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:17.319 local different organs in Chicago as well as some once 0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:18.240 from around the country. 0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:22.120 So heading into this, when organizers were asked, they said 0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:24.719 they were expecting thirty to forty thousand. I saw a 0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:26.480 video by I think a CNN guy where he was 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:29.200 like fifty thousand people could show up. That's not the 0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:32.400 numbers we've seen. I would say two to three thousand, 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:35.080 maybe five at the most, maybe five k kind of 0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:38.440 on the outside end. One of the organizers on the 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:41.360 mic said that they had fifteen k there. I don't 0:54:41.400 --> 0:54:44.080 think that was fifteen thousand people. I will say there's 0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:47.200 more protesters than cops, but it is closer to parody 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:50.520 in terms of numbers than you normally get. The Chicago 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:54.040 police have been lining every block for several blocks around 0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:57.680 the protest lines and lines of police vans, some of 0:54:57.719 --> 0:54:59.800 them fold with riot teams, some of them clearly for 0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:03.880 potential arrestees. Every time the protests moved, they started in 0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:07.640 Union Park and moved towards what was the number of the. 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:09.439 Park, number five seven eight. 0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:12.840 Five to seven eight sounds like a fucking half life two, which. 0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:16.480 Is the park that Chicago and DC is wanting most 0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:19.359 of the protests to take place at. Protesters, at least 0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:22.160 these big coalitions have preferred to use Union Park as 0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:25.400 it's bigger. But in this very moment, we just walked 0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:28.080 over from PARC five seven eight, where people are currently 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:29.240 lined up in front of the fence. 0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:32.239 I would say it was a very controlled event. It's 0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:34.919 possible something's happened since we've left or will happen later, 0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:38.520 especially people try to occupy the park, But from what 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:41.040 happened while we were there, there was a group of 0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:43.960 a protest safety team who were all wearing Hiva's vests 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:48.320 that the entire line of march. The march itself was 0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:50.640 him done on two sides by lines of bike cops 0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:53.480 using their bikes to make a mobile wall. Inside the 0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:57.120 line of bike cops was a line of protest safety 0:55:57.320 --> 0:56:01.560 people in Hiva's vests who when folks tried to confront 0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:04.279 the fence, there's a fence that is essentially the same 0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:06.440 fence we had in Portland lining et side of the DNC. 0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:09.960 Some groups of people tried to confront that tried to 0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:13.240 get off of the route of march and move somewhere 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:16.200 other than back to the park that the safety team wanted, 0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:20.040 and the safety team basically walled off the protest from 0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:23.120 doing anything but going back into the park, essentially doing 0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:25.520 like kind of what the police were doing directly next 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:29.800 to the police, which caused some conflict and some soreness 0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:32.359 among people, But as of the time we left like 0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:33.640 nothing else had really happened. 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:37.759 Hello, Future Gear here cutting in from the middle of 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:41.480 the DNC where I was just suffering through the Hillary 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:44.279 Clinton speech, and I'm here to tell you that more 0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:47.040 in fact did happen and things actually did get a 0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:49.600 little bit more spicy. But you will hear about that 0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:52.640 a little bit later on in the episode. Anyway, back 0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:56.400 to us sitting on a random Chicago street corner. Yeah, 0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:58.080 among the five thousand people, there's a lot of like 0:56:58.160 --> 0:57:00.000 smaller groups. You know, you will have a few hundred 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:02.400 people from this organization, this organization, and it's a lot 0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:06.640 of regular people who are both against the genocide in Palestine. 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:09.399 They do not believe that either political party is going 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:12.399 to put an effort to actually achieve that, and they 0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:16.120 put most of the blame for sending bombs to Israel 0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:18.320 on Biden and now Kamala. 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:21.080 And I would say that's the vast majority. I did 0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:26.240 run into some people wearing like DNC Kamala shirts that 0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:29.840 my understanding was they were kind of here to get 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:34.320 the vibe. And yeah, it was definitely a lot of 0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:36.920 hostility towards the DNC, So my guess would be not 0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:42.240 a positive reaction. There A couple of different communist organizations. 0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:43.439 Here, including five I've never heard of before. 0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:46.360 Yes, almost none of them. But RevCom was there, which 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:49.880 is a fun one that's essentially a CULTL. A few 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:52.920 other PSLs there also, kind of on the cult east 0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:55.960 side of things, I guess. Highlights. We did meet a 0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:58.080 lot of nice people out there, a lot of fans 0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:00.760 of the show. I was happy to see that they 0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:04.560 were not with the Popovacchi and crew. Everyone was very nice. 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:08.360 I hope we weren't too kurt, which is kind of exhausted, 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:10.360 and I've been talking to folks all day. 0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:14.080 I was able to geolocate enemy of the podcast. 0:58:13.960 --> 0:58:18.520 Jack Posobic. Yes, yes, he was in quote unquote Camo. 0:58:18.640 --> 0:58:20.840 He was just wearing a green shirt and a kefia 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:23.800 around his face, trying to interview people. I ran up 0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:26.000 to him and yelled his name out repeatedly until he 0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:28.920 acknowledged that he was in fact Jack Pisobic. Then I 0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:31.120 asked him about an event from twenty seventeen where he 0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:34.440 showed up at a protest undercover as an ANTIFA with 0:58:34.520 --> 0:58:38.880 a sign that said rape Milania. BuzzFeed immediately published text 0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:42.680 messages of him essentially talking to a friend about like, yeah, 0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:44.200 I think this would be a great idea. We need 0:58:44.240 --> 0:58:46.080 to get somebody in there with this fucked up sign. 0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:48.440 So I asked him about it. He didn't want to answer, 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:51.680 but he eventually left. I think the only people who 0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:54.360 were willing to talk to him were communists who wanted 0:58:54.400 --> 0:58:58.600 to quote long passages of political writing at him. So 0:58:58.680 --> 0:59:00.680 I don't think it was a great content for Jack. 0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:03.240 But we'll see. Maybe this will be what causes him 0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:05.440 to blow up. We're gonna do some ads, then we're 0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:07.600 going to come back and talk about some of our highlights, 0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:10.680 what we expect from the week ahead, and the great 0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:23.720 city of Chicago, and we're back Garrison. Are you aware 0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:26.280 because we're in Chicago, but the south side of this 0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:29.840 very city is, according to many, the baddest part of town. 0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:33.160 And if you go down, I'm just telling you, if 0:59:33.160 --> 0:59:34.920 you go to the south side of Chicago, you need 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:36.920 to be aware of a man called Leroy. B I 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:39.480 knew it, bad, bad Leroy, But he's the baddest man 0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:42.120 in the whole damn town here. I knew it. I 0:59:42.160 --> 0:59:44.480 knew it batter than old King Kong. He's meaner than 0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:45.320 a junkyard dog. 0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:46.760 I'm not looking at my fucking notes. 0:59:46.800 --> 0:59:47.800 All right, okay, great. 0:59:48.040 --> 0:59:50.680 As Robert was checking out this office for this other 0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:54.040 group planning a protest at the Israeli Consulates tomorrow, I 0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:57.600 got to the Union Park protest early, was able to 0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:00.000 walk around. Got a whole bunch of flyers for communists 1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:02.200 magazines that again I have never heard of, and you 1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:03.840 don't need to seek them out either, they will walk 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:05.120 up to you and put one in yours. 1:00:05.160 --> 1:00:07.560 I got a whole book by Caleb Mappin, who is 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:11.640 a Lushite Communist, which is like it's like the it's 1:00:11.680 --> 1:00:15.280 like the Foiled Charizard Communist, Like you're really yeah, it's 1:00:15.320 --> 1:00:16.080 beautiful stuff. 1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:18.400 And then we had like three hours of speeches before 1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:21.640 people eventually left and marched to the march to the 1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:25.439 DNC fence by Park five seven eight. And although most 1:00:25.440 --> 1:00:27.600 of this is about Palestine, there also is some like 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:29.120 intersectionality with a few other things. 1:00:29.200 --> 1:00:30.040 You know, there's a lot. 1:00:29.880 --> 1:00:32.360 Of LGBTQ stuff, a lot of trans. 1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:34.920 A lot of TBTQ stuff, a bottom stuff obviously a 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:36.680 lot of abortion rights and stuff that is one of 1:00:36.680 --> 1:00:40.120 abortion rights that has become a recurring, recurring talking point 1:00:40.160 --> 1:00:41.880 that I think, I think I'll mention something a little 1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:42.680 bit closer to the end. 1:00:42.840 --> 1:00:45.080 Yeah, because there's one of the groups of counter protesters 1:00:45.080 --> 1:00:47.480 who has kind of shown up for these people purporting 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:50.240 to be like dims against abortion. Basically one of their 1:00:50.320 --> 1:00:54.200 chants was essentially being anti abortion is being pro trans 1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:57.360 because trans people might get aborted, which was a fascinating 1:00:57.440 --> 1:00:58.040 argument and an. 1:00:58.000 --> 1:01:01.320 Amazing chant that's both like abortion and is able lest abortions. 1:01:01.360 --> 1:01:05.600 Transphobic abortion is racist. You know, all of all the 1:01:05.680 --> 1:01:06.360 things and what. 1:01:06.360 --> 1:01:09.040 I'll say, so you know, obviously you and I have 1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:11.120 both expressed either of us really like it when at 1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:14.120 a protest you have a group of people basically being 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:17.160 security who wall off other people from doing stuff. What 1:01:17.240 --> 1:01:19.760 I will say the protest safety team was effective at 1:01:19.800 --> 1:01:22.680 was every time someone like the Progressives against Abortion or 1:01:22.680 --> 1:01:25.720 whoever would show up, there was a one literal fascist 1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:28.440 lady who I was definitely unwell with like a cardboard 1:01:28.480 --> 1:01:30.920 sign covered in racial slurs. They would just get a 1:01:30.960 --> 1:01:33.040 team to kind of wall them off with their bodies 1:01:33.160 --> 1:01:36.600 and it kept them from becoming like media were not 1:01:36.720 --> 1:01:39.880 focused around the folks coming into disrep stuff like they 1:01:39.920 --> 1:01:42.400 were at the march yesterday, we were at a march 1:01:42.480 --> 1:01:45.920 on Sunday afternoon, where as soon as those anti abortion 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:48.400 folks showed up, every camera turned towards them, because there's 1:01:48.400 --> 1:01:49.760 this thought that like, oh, maybe this is where there 1:01:49.760 --> 1:01:50.640 will be a conflict. 1:01:50.720 --> 1:01:50.800 No. 1:01:51.360 --> 1:01:53.200 I think walling off groups like that makes sense. 1:01:53.520 --> 1:01:55.200 It's a very effective way to do it. I do 1:01:55.240 --> 1:01:58.800 get very hesitant and a little bit on my toes. Yes, 1:01:58.840 --> 1:02:03.080 whenever they start people in the crowd who are actual participants, 1:02:03.280 --> 1:02:06.040 who are just doing something that people in haives vests 1:02:06.080 --> 1:02:08.520 don't like. Yes, and when you start restricting their freedom 1:02:08.560 --> 1:02:10.520 of movement, when you start walling them off and keep 1:02:10.560 --> 1:02:13.040 and pushing them towards the police await, everyone. 1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:14.800 Else looks like they were trying to push a chunk 1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:17.200 of the crowd, you can get pretty fucked up, including 1:02:17.200 --> 1:02:19.960 the person with a YPG flag that you know, I 1:02:20.000 --> 1:02:23.080 don't know, I'm just inherently sympathetic towards, but yeah, trying 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:25.400 to push them towards the police riot line. I did 1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:26.280 not like seeing that. 1:02:26.360 --> 1:02:28.200 And there was some talk about this leading up to 1:02:28.240 --> 1:02:28.640 the DNC. 1:02:28.800 --> 1:02:31.280 There was some like leaked memo I think from some 1:02:31.440 --> 1:02:34.880 PSL people and a few other orgs about plans too. 1:02:35.240 --> 1:02:37.800 If there was any like quote unquote like disruptors or whatever, 1:02:38.040 --> 1:02:40.120 to circle them off, keep them away from the march, 1:02:40.160 --> 1:02:41.880 make sure they cannot rejoin the march, and push them 1:02:41.920 --> 1:02:45.240 towards the police line. Yeah, and that is never great. 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:46.920 That's never great to see. 1:02:46.880 --> 1:02:49.560 No, especially when all of your chants are like fuck 1:02:49.640 --> 1:02:53.280 the DNC, Kamala's evil, but like we need to do 1:02:53.320 --> 1:02:55.360 what the police are not doing here, Like we have 1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:55.959 to be the cops. 1:02:56.000 --> 1:02:58.480 Yeah, you're preventing people from actually marching to the DNC. 1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:01.160 And for most of this march on Monday, it was 1:03:01.360 --> 1:03:04.560 the cops who were leading the march. Yes, literallyhead of 1:03:04.560 --> 1:03:06.640 the march, in front of everybody. 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:08.520 They both had all of the streets walled off. 1:03:08.760 --> 1:03:10.720 At the head it was about six to eight cops 1:03:10.720 --> 1:03:12.480 at any given time, and then a couple of dozen 1:03:12.680 --> 1:03:15.600 people with cameras, media, and then it was the actual protest. 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:18.120 But it's essentially the whole the whole march is being 1:03:18.160 --> 1:03:19.200 is being led by police. 1:03:19.320 --> 1:03:20.560 And that's also one thing with. 1:03:20.640 --> 1:03:23.880 Men surrounded whenever you're chanting like who streets are streets 1:03:23.920 --> 1:03:26.080 and all these other things, you're like, this is this. 1:03:26.040 --> 1:03:27.200 Is basically a cop street. 1:03:27.240 --> 1:03:29.440 This is basically a cop led protest all the cops 1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:31.720 at most points I was I was walking by a 1:03:31.800 --> 1:03:35.080 Chicago ped sergeant who was on his comms and that 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:37.760 he was telling like everyone on the walkie talkie system 1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:40.960 or whatever, like there's there's quote nothing nefarious going on, 1:03:41.240 --> 1:03:44.240 there's nothing to worry about. Everything's good and yeah, from 1:03:44.240 --> 1:03:46.680 their perspective, that was what most of today was like, 1:03:47.360 --> 1:03:49.720 at least until a few hours ago, when people in 1:03:49.760 --> 1:03:53.480 the actual protest organizing committee were sectioning off people that 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:54.160 they didn't like. 1:03:54.520 --> 1:03:57.880 From what I have seen so far, you know, there's 1:03:57.920 --> 1:04:00.680 not much that would go viral that would be big 1:04:00.720 --> 1:04:03.000 news from this protest. Certainly not much that you would 1:04:03.000 --> 1:04:05.640 say it was embarrassing to anyone now. But there's also 1:04:05.720 --> 1:04:08.960 not much that's gonna like draw any attention if you're 1:04:08.960 --> 1:04:11.919 considering that the goal of activism like this. I don't 1:04:11.960 --> 1:04:14.600 see this as like being a needle moving march. 1:04:14.680 --> 1:04:16.680 And even if you have a martial tie dozen people, 1:04:16.680 --> 1:04:19.960 which is good when it's after three hours of speeches 1:04:20.000 --> 1:04:22.360 about communism, that's not actually doing anything to put pressure 1:04:22.360 --> 1:04:24.680 on like the Vite administration the Democrats to actually do 1:04:24.720 --> 1:04:25.560 something about Palestine. 1:04:25.600 --> 1:04:27.600 There were several minutes today about getting the US out 1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:30.400 of Korea, and like that's going to be your issue. 1:04:30.400 --> 1:04:32.360 That's going to be your issue. But like you, if 1:04:32.400 --> 1:04:35.480 you're kind of making it about everything, it's about nothing. Yeah, 1:04:35.480 --> 1:04:37.600 it's about nothing. It was not a lot of punch today. 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:40.480 A ceasefire and Palestine is a very popular issue and important. 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:43.720 But the more time that you're talking about and trying 1:04:43.720 --> 1:04:46.960 to recruit people for like the Revolution TM and fill 1:04:47.040 --> 1:04:49.760 up your sign up sheet and have speeches about about 1:04:49.840 --> 1:04:53.960 you know, Marxism, Marxism, Leninism, the immortal Science, that's not 1:04:54.040 --> 1:04:57.280 going to actually help anyone in Palestine. At this point. 1:04:57.360 --> 1:04:59.840 I'm not sure how effective these protests are are going. 1:05:00.280 --> 1:05:02.720 That's always hard to say. But if you are actually 1:05:02.720 --> 1:05:05.640 trying to apply pressure onto the Democrats onto, like the 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:08.320 party in charge of the executive branch, I think focusing 1:05:08.320 --> 1:05:12.560 on that would would probably be be a slightly more beneficial. Hello, 1:05:12.680 --> 1:05:17.520 this is gear cutting in again from a corridor underneath 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:22.160 the Democratic National Convention the United Center in Chicago. Sleepy 1:05:22.240 --> 1:05:24.480 Joe Biden's about hitting the stage. Before he does, I 1:05:24.560 --> 1:05:27.480 need to give you a special update. So right after 1:05:27.760 --> 1:05:31.360 we recorded this little street conversation between me and Robert 1:05:31.480 --> 1:05:34.520 a whole bunch of more things happened, So there was 1:05:34.560 --> 1:05:37.160 already some kind of inter conflict within the march. On 1:05:37.200 --> 1:05:39.960 the way to park five seven eight, people had differing 1:05:40.000 --> 1:05:41.400 ideas on where they wanted the march to be, like 1:05:41.440 --> 1:05:43.400 directed to whether that's just a stopping at the park 1:05:43.560 --> 1:05:46.120 or trying to break through and go further into the 1:05:46.120 --> 1:05:49.760 actual like DNC perimeter. And eventually we had a smaller 1:05:49.760 --> 1:05:52.440 group of people kind of up by the fence line 1:05:53.000 --> 1:05:55.760 that were able to breach a small secretion of the 1:05:55.800 --> 1:05:58.640 fence and people started going into one of the many 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:01.400 layered barricades at the d and see now, as this 1:06:01.560 --> 1:06:04.840 was happening, some of the protest marshals like organizers and stuff, 1:06:04.920 --> 1:06:06.640 tried to rally the rest of the crowd to march 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:09.240 back to Union Park away from this breach at the DNC, 1:06:09.600 --> 1:06:12.000 and others started pouring in. There was maybe about like 1:06:12.040 --> 1:06:15.200 fifty to seventy five people who actually broke through this line, 1:06:16.080 --> 1:06:18.960 and maybe like half of them were protesters, the other 1:06:19.000 --> 1:06:21.040 half were like press and media. A whole bunch of 1:06:21.080 --> 1:06:23.960 the guys that going through those barricades are people looking 1:06:24.000 --> 1:06:26.680 to take photos, and it was a lot of press, 1:06:26.680 --> 1:06:29.680 but police did pressure people out. I think they arrested 1:06:29.680 --> 1:06:33.080 maybe like three people in this whole mess. But police 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:35.200 pushed the remaining people out of the park and closed 1:06:35.200 --> 1:06:38.480 it for safety concerns. And then those people who got 1:06:38.480 --> 1:06:40.520 pushed out, and then people who were kind of already 1:06:40.520 --> 1:06:43.080 were on the move met back at Union Park where 1:06:43.080 --> 1:06:46.160 the day's protests began, and almost immediately they started setting 1:06:46.240 --> 1:06:49.240 up in campments, setting up tents, doing like logistics stuff. 1:06:49.360 --> 1:06:51.840 Now police saw this happen and did not like this 1:06:52.000 --> 1:06:54.040 very much, and they quickly moved in and gave a 1:06:54.040 --> 1:06:56.959 dispersal order. I believe two people were arrested during this 1:06:57.160 --> 1:07:00.520 kind of second kerfuffle. Police were saying, people can stay 1:07:00.560 --> 1:07:02.480 in the park as long as you're not setting up 1:07:02.480 --> 1:07:04.960 tense as long as you're not doing like larger logistics, 1:07:04.960 --> 1:07:07.560 you know, using the sound system, all these kinds of things. 1:07:08.000 --> 1:07:10.520 And at a certain point, I think police push most 1:07:10.600 --> 1:07:13.800 people either onto the edges, onto the periphery orders out 1:07:13.840 --> 1:07:15.800 of the area. But a whole bunch of like swat 1:07:15.800 --> 1:07:18.360 to a whole bunch of Chicago PD just surrounded this 1:07:18.480 --> 1:07:21.760 whole area and kept a pretty tight lit on things. 1:07:22.040 --> 1:07:24.720 So I know people were planning to want to do 1:07:24.800 --> 1:07:27.800 a larger encampment tonight, and Chicago p D would not 1:07:27.880 --> 1:07:31.960 let that happen. And for whatever reason, there was either 1:07:32.000 --> 1:07:34.840 wasn't enough people or there wasn't enough like logistics or 1:07:34.840 --> 1:07:39.080 dedication to really fight off the chicagopd's. 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:39.800 Incursion in Union Park. 1:07:40.200 --> 1:07:42.959 So now the day is wrapping up, Joe Biden's about 1:07:42.960 --> 1:07:46.120 to head on stage, and that is the situation for 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:50.880 the protests. The first day of the DNC back to 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:53.640 Robert Evans is sitting on a random street corner. 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:57.680 So you know, the highlight to me of today Again, 1:07:57.720 --> 1:08:00.520 we met a lot of very nice fans and they 1:08:00.520 --> 1:08:03.360 all seem to be doing smart things, which I like seeing. 1:08:03.720 --> 1:08:05.200 There was an old man who had he had a 1:08:05.200 --> 1:08:07.880 big Palestinian flag and underneath it was a Bosnian flag. 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:09.240 So we went up to him because I was just 1:08:09.320 --> 1:08:11.479 kind of curious. I had a feeling it had something 1:08:11.480 --> 1:08:13.560 to do with the genocide, but like you know, I 1:08:13.560 --> 1:08:16.400 wanted to talk. And he was a survivor of Strebernitza, 1:08:16.640 --> 1:08:21.559 which was a massacre during the the Yugoslav breakup. That was, 1:08:22.200 --> 1:08:24.640 I mean, just one of the worst exogenocide of the 1:08:24.800 --> 1:08:27.120 twentieth century. And we talked ab it because I'd been 1:08:27.120 --> 1:08:29.479 to streb Burnitza and interviewed some survivors and stuff, and 1:08:29.520 --> 1:08:32.240 he was like very moved to be here, expressed a 1:08:32.280 --> 1:08:36.200 lot of solidarity with Gaza. Essentially said like I lived 1:08:36.200 --> 1:08:38.880 through a genocide too, so I'm going to show up 1:08:38.920 --> 1:08:41.360 and support these people, which was very moving. Was probably 1:08:41.400 --> 1:08:43.040 the most moving part. Definitely the most moving part of 1:08:43.040 --> 1:08:44.160 the day for. 1:08:44.040 --> 1:08:57.800 Me, among all these big like socialist, communist newspaper organizations. 1:08:57.200 --> 1:08:58.559 People are handing out books. 1:08:58.720 --> 1:09:00.599 Yeah, they had a lot of just peapeople who actually 1:09:00.720 --> 1:09:02.600 really care about what's going on, and this feels like 1:09:02.640 --> 1:09:04.920 to them, like the only thing that they can do. Yes, Like, 1:09:05.040 --> 1:09:06.760 especially if you're like from this area, if you're from 1:09:06.760 --> 1:09:09.559 the Midwest, You're like, what can actually do to stop 1:09:09.600 --> 1:09:10.599 what's going on here? 1:09:10.640 --> 1:09:13.160 They are all of the leaders of the Democratic Party 1:09:13.160 --> 1:09:14.000 are here, you know. 1:09:14.240 --> 1:09:17.200 And that is a majority of the thousands that are gathered. 1:09:17.320 --> 1:09:20.240 Yeah, you know, I have to say again not to 1:09:20.320 --> 1:09:22.799 just be shitting on people, but it's probably a tactical 1:09:22.840 --> 1:09:26.120 mistake to prior to the event. In the days heading 1:09:26.200 --> 1:09:28.479 up to this, some of the organizers said they were 1:09:28.479 --> 1:09:32.360 expecting thirty to forty thousand people in town for protests, 1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:35.040 and you know, the crowd we got today was a 1:09:35.080 --> 1:09:37.880 solid crowd, five thousand people or so, you know, marching 1:09:37.960 --> 1:09:40.559 three to five thousand not bad. But when you've gotten 1:09:40.600 --> 1:09:42.960 people prepped for that, then the story is going to 1:09:42.960 --> 1:09:46.920 be that, like, well, less people than expected showed up, 1:09:46.960 --> 1:09:49.360 and that can be used by folks to make the 1:09:49.400 --> 1:09:52.120 case that, like, well, this isn't really that popular an 1:09:52.160 --> 1:09:54.599 issue for the Democrats, why should they care as much 1:09:54.600 --> 1:09:56.960 about it as they would if you had gotten fifty 1:09:57.000 --> 1:09:58.120 thousand people in the street. 1:09:58.320 --> 1:10:01.599 Anyway, So that was the the second protest at the DNC. 1:10:02.160 --> 1:10:06.800 Technically the first protest was yesterday, the day before mission 1:10:07.439 --> 1:10:08.320 actually started. 1:10:08.600 --> 1:10:10.080 And yes, both me and Robert were there. 1:10:10.120 --> 1:10:13.240 I showed up as early as usual, and Robert showed 1:10:13.320 --> 1:10:14.720 up late as usual. 1:10:14.479 --> 1:10:17.160 That's right, that's right, laid and hungover, don't you forget hungover? 1:10:17.400 --> 1:10:19.479 Of course, I got drunk as hell on that plane. 1:10:19.520 --> 1:10:21.719 It started off with maybe like five undred people slowly 1:10:22.000 --> 1:10:24.680 slowly accumulated to the two but like a thousand. This 1:10:24.760 --> 1:10:28.679 protest was called Bodies Outside Unjust Laws. It was about 1:10:28.680 --> 1:10:31.559 Palestine liberation as a part of reproductive justice and trying 1:10:31.560 --> 1:10:33.960 to tie these issues together, so trying to like rope 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:36.600 in like a reproductive rights feminists who are here for 1:10:36.600 --> 1:10:39.120 the DNC into looking at Gaza as a part of 1:10:39.120 --> 1:10:41.799 the reproductive rights issue with like the deaths of you know, mothers, 1:10:42.040 --> 1:10:44.759 the restriction of healthcare, and gaza deaths of babies, childrens 1:10:44.760 --> 1:10:47.560 I've bred in children from families after bobbings or evacuations 1:10:47.800 --> 1:10:50.640 all all that kind of stuff. So initially they were 1:10:50.640 --> 1:10:53.000 all gathered in front of the Chicago Trump Tower, which 1:10:53.080 --> 1:10:55.680 unfortunately is a pretty good looking building at least in 1:10:55.680 --> 1:10:58.160 my opinion. There was also a few like big anti 1:10:58.200 --> 1:11:00.720 Trump scigns as there were today. There was a yeah, 1:11:00.720 --> 1:11:02.240 there was a woman with a sign that that just 1:11:02.320 --> 1:11:05.160 read Trump and JAD events are weird, but she also 1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:07.559 had Gaza stuff all like, she also had like Gaza pins. 1:11:07.560 --> 1:11:09.120 And there were also there's some people who I you 1:11:09.120 --> 1:11:11.360 could tell her here for the DNC, but who showed 1:11:11.439 --> 1:11:13.720 up and like yelled in support, but also had like 1:11:14.280 --> 1:11:16.120 a Kamala shirt. Or there was one lady who had 1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:17.680 like fuck Trump went written on her arm and who 1:11:17.720 --> 1:11:20.599 clearly just kind of showed up in between her day 1:11:20.680 --> 1:11:22.760 to like go cheer a couple of times. 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:24.720 Then move on just up today. You know, there was 1:11:24.760 --> 1:11:26.080 there was PSL people. 1:11:25.840 --> 1:11:28.640 Party for Socialism and Liberation, if you're curious. 1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:30.200 There was there was this one other socialist group who 1:11:30.240 --> 1:11:33.600 was really repting Jill Stein, say Jill Stein, you know, 1:11:33.600 --> 1:11:36.040 saying she's the only candidate that is against the genocide, 1:11:36.040 --> 1:11:37.000 which technically isn't true. 1:11:37.040 --> 1:11:41.040 The Libertarian Party candidate, she's been pro several genocides and. 1:11:44.040 --> 1:11:44.679 Similar Today. 1:11:44.720 --> 1:11:46.640 You know, there were some people who showed up to 1:11:46.640 --> 1:11:48.719 be like corkers, right people on bikes to help section 1:11:48.840 --> 1:11:51.519 off the march from like roads or cars, which proved 1:11:51.560 --> 1:11:54.439 to be ultimately useless because police were doing all of 1:11:54.439 --> 1:11:57.680 the core and lots of cops immediately when I when 1:11:57.680 --> 1:12:00.000 I when I was walking downtown to this protest yesterday, 1:12:00.240 --> 1:12:02.720 just the sheer number of Chicago PD was just stifling. 1:12:03.000 --> 1:12:05.360 This is very different from the rn C almost I 1:12:05.360 --> 1:12:08.120 would say ninety five percent of the law enforcement we've 1:12:08.120 --> 1:12:10.600 seen have been Chicago and Illinois cops. 1:12:10.360 --> 1:12:12.600 Yes, actual local police, as opposed to the R and C, 1:12:12.680 --> 1:12:15.280 where there's a majority like out of state police. Yes 1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:18.000 yesterday did not have tons of medics today did. That's 1:12:18.040 --> 1:12:19.400 not unsurprising. 1:12:18.880 --> 1:12:21.479 Everyone was expecting today to be the biggest day, and 1:12:21.640 --> 1:12:22.840 it probably will turn out to be. 1:12:22.960 --> 1:12:25.120 Yes, But like I said, yeah, I mean even yesterday 1:12:25.120 --> 1:12:26.680 at the very first one, they still they still had 1:12:26.680 --> 1:12:30.200 one thousand people. They were really really tying as much 1:12:30.200 --> 1:12:32.479 as they could into the reproductive rights issue. 1:12:32.520 --> 1:12:34.080 Yeah, we saw, we saw. 1:12:33.920 --> 1:12:36.599 Pussy hats, we saw you know, all of all that 1:12:36.680 --> 1:12:39.639 kind of stuff. And one of the funniest things from 1:12:39.760 --> 1:12:43.080 yesterday and we saw some of it today too, is 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:46.360 that with all these different communist newspapers, they were like competing, 1:12:46.520 --> 1:12:48.200 they were competing to be the ones that have like 1:12:48.280 --> 1:12:50.799 the true path to the revolution, like like handing out flyers, 1:12:50.840 --> 1:12:53.880 handing out pamphlets, be like, no, this is we We're 1:12:53.920 --> 1:12:55.960 the ones that haven't figured out. And you have like 1:12:56.120 --> 1:12:58.320 seven of these groups going after this say like the 1:12:58.360 --> 1:12:58.960 same person. 1:12:59.120 --> 1:12:59.360 Yes. 1:13:00.240 --> 1:13:02.720 I felt very good when Jack wound up stumbling into 1:13:02.760 --> 1:13:05.120 one of those guys, because I was like, Okay, he 1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:07.439 is going to bore the hell out of Jack Psobic, 1:13:07.520 --> 1:13:10.880 but he's clearly he's also like has enough talking points 1:13:10.880 --> 1:13:12.639 that they're just kind of be going to be running 1:13:12.720 --> 1:13:15.000 talking points at each other, which is good. I always 1:13:15.000 --> 1:13:18.040 get worried when some one like Jack shows up, that 1:13:18.040 --> 1:13:21.040 they're going to find either some like nice normal person 1:13:21.040 --> 1:13:23.840 who's not ready to be on camera, or you know, 1:13:23.880 --> 1:13:26.760 somebody who's especially protests like this. She often I'm like 1:13:26.800 --> 1:13:29.280 an old guy who's an anti circumsition activist just shows 1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:32.160 up to every protest and he's like kind of harmless kook, 1:13:32.240 --> 1:13:34.599 and they get made fun of a lot. So I'm 1:13:34.600 --> 1:13:37.200 always happy to see when an asshole shows up and 1:13:37.240 --> 1:13:39.720 gets confronted by someone who is just ready to sit 1:13:39.760 --> 1:13:40.920 in there and talk for hours. 1:13:41.200 --> 1:13:43.519 And you know, similar to today, there was a small 1:13:43.640 --> 1:13:47.920 collection quote unquote like progressive anti abortion activists that showed up. 1:13:48.080 --> 1:13:50.240 They kept mostly to the side of the crowd largely 1:13:50.240 --> 1:13:53.400 ignored them. But one thing I did like is that 1:13:53.479 --> 1:13:56.160 there was people in the crowd caring around signs about 1:13:56.200 --> 1:13:58.880 like abortion pill instructions, like how to use one word 1:13:58.960 --> 1:14:01.920 to get one, and that was that that was very 1:14:01.960 --> 1:14:04.559 nice to see. And similar to today as well, there 1:14:04.600 --> 1:14:07.040 was a few like DNC volunteers walking through the crowd, 1:14:07.040 --> 1:14:08.960 either because they actually do agree with these issues or 1:14:08.960 --> 1:14:11.200 just because they're like just because like they're curious, who 1:14:11.200 --> 1:14:13.519 knows what I mean. Obviously they're still you know, probably 1:14:13.560 --> 1:14:15.840 more pro Haerrison, most people in the crowd, but they 1:14:15.920 --> 1:14:18.759 still might you know, nominally care about these issues. 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:20.960 But yesterday they got booed. 1:14:21.000 --> 1:14:24.280 Well walking through the crowd, the crowd was was was 1:14:24.280 --> 1:14:27.360 not was not happy to have them, specifically the people 1:14:27.360 --> 1:14:28.439 from behind enemy lines. 1:14:28.479 --> 1:14:29.960 We're giving out most of the booze. 1:14:30.320 --> 1:14:33.960 Referring to the protest tomorrow at the Israeli Consulate at 1:14:34.439 --> 1:14:37.559 seven pm, that's Tuesday, they said that they're gonna be 1:14:37.560 --> 1:14:40.720 the group that quote unquote brings the ruckus, and that 1:14:40.800 --> 1:14:42.200 is the vibe that they have. I think that is 1:14:42.320 --> 1:14:43.840 probably that's gonna be maybe but one of the more 1:14:43.840 --> 1:14:46.320 like conflictual protests. Yes, that we're going to see this 1:14:46.360 --> 1:14:49.080 week tomorrow on that's that's too. 1:14:48.920 --> 1:14:51.360 Loud, doubt, So yeah, we will. 1:14:51.439 --> 1:14:53.559 We will be there on Tuesday to see what goes 1:14:53.600 --> 1:14:56.080 down there. I'm about to walk into the d n 1:14:56.200 --> 1:14:58.880 C to hear Old Sleepy Joe. We're taking bets to 1:14:58.880 --> 1:15:00.800 see if he has a stroke on stay age. One 1:15:00.840 --> 1:15:02.280 thing that people have been able to use a lot, 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:05.479 and that is, you know, a very real and valid 1:15:05.479 --> 1:15:08.120 issue is that just last week the government, including you know, 1:15:08.160 --> 1:15:10.800 the Biden Harris administration as well as Congress proved a 1:15:10.840 --> 1:15:13.519 twenty billion dollar arms deal to Israel. We know how 1:15:13.560 --> 1:15:16.120 they're using these weapons as many meetings that Kamon's going 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:18.160 to take about, you know, in arms embargo. At least 1:15:18.160 --> 1:15:21.200 currently we are still sending over we're doing the opposite, 1:15:21.280 --> 1:15:23.759 which is what most people gathered here are concerned about. 1:15:23.760 --> 1:15:26.400 You know, it's great to see people talking about abortion, 1:15:26.600 --> 1:15:29.680 LGBTQ stuff. You know, all the other reasons that the 1:15:29.800 --> 1:15:31.840 US is doing things that are bad. But you know, 1:15:32.120 --> 1:15:34.160 when it comes to like talking to like the Democrats 1:15:34.160 --> 1:15:36.880 at the DNC right that the Democrats are pro abortion. 1:15:36.960 --> 1:15:39.439 They are, they are nominally pro these things. Pressuring on 1:15:39.439 --> 1:15:42.960 the Palestinian stuff is going to be probably the biggest 1:15:42.960 --> 1:15:45.240 thing as expected in these next few days. 1:15:45.360 --> 1:15:47.639 So we'll see how that goes. We'll be back tomorrow 1:15:47.720 --> 1:15:50.320 and the rest of the week from the DNC. This 1:15:50.360 --> 1:16:14.960 has been it could happen here, happening to you, Welcome 1:16:15.000 --> 1:16:17.160 to it could happen here? A podcast about how to 1:16:17.200 --> 1:16:20.800 pronounce the vice president and maybe future president's name, which 1:16:20.840 --> 1:16:23.200 is Kamala. See I got it, Sophie. 1:16:23.280 --> 1:16:25.160 Yeah, but you looked at me for reassurance. 1:16:25.320 --> 1:16:27.680 No, I looked at you to be like look at me. 1:16:27.880 --> 1:16:30.639 I'm doing it. I'm riding a bike with no training wheels. Garrison, 1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:32.439 how's uh, how's grinder going? 1:16:32.760 --> 1:16:35.439 It's okay. I mean it's certainly better than the r 1:16:35.560 --> 1:16:38.400 n C. Yeah, but it's it's still slow picking because 1:16:38.400 --> 1:16:39.679 I mean to find better. 1:16:40.320 --> 1:16:42.560 Have you have you run into He lives in the 1:16:42.600 --> 1:16:48.439 South side of Chicago, a guy named six Garrison. So 1:16:48.600 --> 1:16:50.959 this is day two, ladies call him treat. 1:16:50.960 --> 1:16:54.719 The Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Illinois. 1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:55.719 I'm Garrison Davis. 1:16:55.720 --> 1:16:59.639 We are here with Sophie Lichterman and Robert Evans, and 1:17:00.360 --> 1:17:03.040 I guess let's pick up right where we left off yesterday, 1:17:03.040 --> 1:17:06.599 because we're recording this Tuesday morning. Yesterday we had a 1:17:06.640 --> 1:17:09.000 full day of protests. There's still some protests today that 1:17:09.240 --> 1:17:12.160 we'll get to later. But we were also able to 1:17:12.160 --> 1:17:14.479 spend a decent bit of time in the actual d 1:17:14.560 --> 1:17:16.840 and C last night. And I think me and Sophie 1:17:16.880 --> 1:17:18.920 will have certainly much to say about that. But I'm 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:21.840 gonna throw it to Robert Evans, because Robert Evans went 1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:26.360 back to protests after our dinner, and how was that 1:17:26.560 --> 1:17:26.960 it was? 1:17:27.120 --> 1:17:29.719 You know, by the time I got back, the police 1:17:29.760 --> 1:17:33.559 had mostly knocked everything apart. There was a brief attempt 1:17:33.640 --> 1:17:39.599 to occupy the park after we left. So right after 1:17:39.640 --> 1:17:41.760 we left, there was a scuffle over the fence and 1:17:41.800 --> 1:17:45.200 some people managed to reach it, largely due to the 1:17:45.200 --> 1:17:47.840 fact that the kind of fences that they use that 1:17:47.840 --> 1:17:49.599 they put up outside of events like this are all 1:17:49.640 --> 1:17:51.599 the same. It's the same tile of fence they had 1:17:51.680 --> 1:17:54.479 up in Portland, and if you remember the fighting over 1:17:54.520 --> 1:17:56.639 the fence in Portland, part of why there was days 1:17:56.680 --> 1:17:58.719 of fighting is because it was a pretty short section 1:17:58.840 --> 1:18:02.160 of fence, they were able to have it enforced very heavily. Here. 1:18:02.280 --> 1:18:05.720 It was kind of more of a visual barrier than 1:18:05.760 --> 1:18:08.680 an actual physical barrier because they just there was two 1:18:08.960 --> 1:18:11.840 There's probably miles of cumulative fencing, and they don't have 1:18:11.880 --> 1:18:14.519 it all reinforced enough, so when a crowd got close enough, 1:18:14.800 --> 1:18:17.320 it was surprisingly easy for them to push their way in. 1:18:17.880 --> 1:18:20.439 Three people i think got arrested at the fence breach. 1:18:20.880 --> 1:18:23.920 I've heard some folks say it was partly because press 1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:26.320 crowding in made it impossible for people to get away 1:18:26.320 --> 1:18:28.400 from the cops. Just given the way the rest of 1:18:28.439 --> 1:18:31.479 the day worked and what I've seen, I think that's 1:18:31.520 --> 1:18:33.960 pretty credible. It was one of those things where on 1:18:34.040 --> 1:18:36.759 the ground, if you were just kind of looking at tweets, 1:18:36.800 --> 1:18:39.200 I think it would it would look like it had 1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:41.800 been a larger part of what happened that day than 1:18:41.800 --> 1:18:44.360 it was, because it really was a few minutes and 1:18:44.400 --> 1:18:48.760 then things calmed down relatively quickly. But it did have 1:18:48.800 --> 1:18:52.320 an impact on the actual DNC itself, like if you're 1:18:52.320 --> 1:18:56.200 looking at the protests outside over Gaza. As part of 1:18:56.240 --> 1:18:59.240 their goal being to disrupt the DNC, they succeeded in 1:18:59.320 --> 1:19:02.599 doing that because once there was a breach in the perimeter, 1:19:02.840 --> 1:19:05.880 the Secret Service has and I don't know what these are, 1:19:05.920 --> 1:19:08.680 but said they certainly do have like a checklist of like, 1:19:08.720 --> 1:19:10.840 these are the things we do if there is a breach, 1:19:10.960 --> 1:19:13.599 And one of the things that we know they did 1:19:13.680 --> 1:19:16.160 and after that breach is they shut down all of 1:19:16.200 --> 1:19:20.640 the other multiple entrances for media and delegates and attendees 1:19:20.680 --> 1:19:24.559 into the event and funneled everyone through one entrance, which 1:19:24.840 --> 1:19:27.520 caused a clusterfuck for a massive bottom. 1:19:27.200 --> 1:19:29.320 Line, I was gonna say, they sure did. 1:19:30.120 --> 1:19:30.960 They sure did. 1:19:31.240 --> 1:19:32.960 Me and Sophy spent quite a while trying to get 1:19:33.000 --> 1:19:34.840 into the DNC after this, because yes, all of the 1:19:34.960 --> 1:19:38.160 entrances on the northeast and west side of the convention 1:19:38.600 --> 1:19:41.320 all got shut down. Everyone was funneled into one entrance 1:19:41.320 --> 1:19:44.000 on the south side. The line to get in was 1:19:44.479 --> 1:19:48.080 just just crazy. It was so so large. 1:19:48.920 --> 1:19:51.160 I would have to say again if you're looking at 1:19:51.200 --> 1:19:54.120 the goal of these movements as like causing embarrassment and 1:19:54.320 --> 1:19:59.080 disruption to the DNC, because fucking up entrance to the 1:19:59.160 --> 1:20:02.400 DNC fucks up for all of the influencers and media 1:20:02.400 --> 1:20:05.439 people trying to get in. I saw more anger over 1:20:05.560 --> 1:20:08.799 how fucked up getting in last night was than anything 1:20:08.840 --> 1:20:12.240 that had happened, like in terms of like formative social 1:20:12.280 --> 1:20:15.040 media anger, than anything that had actually happened in the streets. 1:20:15.200 --> 1:20:17.360 So I would have to call that a pretty good 1:20:17.400 --> 1:20:18.360 win for the protest. 1:20:18.520 --> 1:20:23.320 I ever heard numerous DNC goers wearing their their best 1:20:23.520 --> 1:20:27.479 their best merch complaining that it was the protester's fault. 1:20:27.960 --> 1:20:29.840 Yeah, that the lines were so long. 1:20:30.240 --> 1:20:32.760 Well, I mean people were also complaining about just like 1:20:32.840 --> 1:20:36.599 the level of like the DNC's like organization and. 1:20:38.160 --> 1:20:39.439 Out because it was a mix. 1:20:39.439 --> 1:20:42.080 It was because of this, you know, triggered by actions 1:20:42.120 --> 1:20:44.160 via protesters, but also because of how the DNC was 1:20:44.160 --> 1:20:48.200 handling everything. It was a compounding, a compounding nightmare for 1:20:48.240 --> 1:20:50.200 many people. And I mean in terms of other like 1:20:50.240 --> 1:20:53.439 other disruptions. We heard from a woman who's staying at 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:57.120 our same hotel that she left at four pm to 1:20:57.200 --> 1:20:59.840 get to the DNC. She left on like one of 1:20:59.880 --> 1:21:02.599 the the DNC shuttles and it took her four hours 1:21:02.600 --> 1:21:05.080 to get in now. And part of what happened was 1:21:05.120 --> 1:21:07.639 that if she left on the DNC shuttle at around four, 1:21:07.960 --> 1:21:10.840 she probably got to the area around four forty five, 1:21:11.320 --> 1:21:13.160 just because you know, there's slow it's traffic. 1:21:13.040 --> 1:21:13.840 No no, no, no, no, no no. 1:21:14.680 --> 1:21:18.880 And what happened next is that around four point fifty 1:21:19.439 --> 1:21:21.760 is when the is when the fence got breached, and 1:21:21.840 --> 1:21:25.559 then everyone getting off the shuttles could not what happened, 1:21:25.840 --> 1:21:28.320 they did like this like a mini security lockdown. Everyone 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:30.799 was just told they have to stay in the shuttle. 1:21:30.880 --> 1:21:32.720 She had to stay sitting in the shuttle for an 1:21:32.720 --> 1:21:35.639 extra forty five minutes. She could not exit because they 1:21:35.640 --> 1:21:38.439 were not letting people get off the shuttles as as 1:21:38.479 --> 1:21:40.680 the fence was breached. So like it's it's stuff like 1:21:40.680 --> 1:21:43.800 that that creates like these like compounding fractures. 1:21:43.560 --> 1:21:46.799 And this is probably if something similar were to happen tonight, 1:21:46.920 --> 1:21:48.559 and the protests, as far as I know, are not 1:21:48.640 --> 1:21:50.920 planned to be in the same kind of locations as 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:53.280 they were, so I don't think that's likely. I don't 1:21:53.280 --> 1:21:55.280 think it would have a severe response because a big 1:21:55.320 --> 1:21:57.320 part of what was going on Monday is that both 1:21:57.439 --> 1:21:59.960 the president and vice president were in the same building. 1:22:00.120 --> 1:22:03.439 So everything that normally exists in terms of security at 1:22:03.439 --> 1:22:06.840 an event like this was taken up to the suitcase 1:22:06.880 --> 1:22:09.120 that ends the world was in the venue right like, 1:22:09.200 --> 1:22:13.360 so everything was on and like just escalated to the 1:22:13.479 --> 1:22:16.439 nth degree, which is why never take the fucking buses. 1:22:16.800 --> 1:22:18.439 It's long, but one of my rules. 1:22:18.520 --> 1:22:22.360 Yeah, my take is she left a four pm. She 1:22:22.400 --> 1:22:23.880 didn't get in until about eight pm. 1:22:24.160 --> 1:22:26.800 Not worth it. Yeah, I would rather die. I would 1:22:26.880 --> 1:22:27.320 rather die. 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:29.719 It sounds like a episode of Black Mirror. 1:22:29.760 --> 1:22:33.559 Uh huh. It's terrible. So I got back to the 1:22:33.640 --> 1:22:38.320 protest a little later. My understanding sounds like between seven 1:22:38.400 --> 1:22:42.200 and nine arrests over the course of the day. There 1:22:41.640 --> 1:22:44.639 were had been like three at the fence breach. There 1:22:44.640 --> 1:22:49.040 were three or four more when people tried to briefly 1:22:49.120 --> 1:22:52.439 set up an encampment that really did not last very long. 1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:55.280 Was very quick to take that down. 1:22:55.400 --> 1:22:57.639 And it was the I had been kind of wondering, 1:22:58.120 --> 1:23:00.280 and I still think we might see some mace to night, 1:23:00.400 --> 1:23:04.559 but it didn't, despite like the kind of Chicago sixty 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:08.280 eight tear gas stories that people keep talking about, that 1:23:08.320 --> 1:23:10.240 did not seem likely at all during the no. 1:23:10.439 --> 1:23:12.360 Yeah, and I've heard from ultiple people on the ground 1:23:12.360 --> 1:23:15.760 that it's it seems like chagoped is very aware of 1:23:15.800 --> 1:23:18.640 the optics. Yes, And you know, despite being like the 1:23:18.680 --> 1:23:22.439 police they are, they are trying to not immediately bring 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:24.160 out the truncheons on everyone's heads. 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:26.120 Now, they do have the truncheons on. 1:23:26.400 --> 1:23:29.000 They've all got and they've got they have the they 1:23:29.040 --> 1:23:31.320 have the worn ass old wooden ones. 1:23:31.520 --> 1:23:32.280 They do have them. 1:23:32.560 --> 1:23:35.360 But they are they are trying to be as hands 1:23:35.400 --> 1:23:38.680 off physically as they can, of course, like relying on 1:23:38.720 --> 1:23:41.120 the amount of like internal peace policing from these like 1:23:41.520 --> 1:23:42.639 big or mass groups. 1:23:43.240 --> 1:23:45.360 But the other thing that they have going for them 1:23:45.560 --> 1:23:48.559 is when they do have to get go hands on, 1:23:49.040 --> 1:23:51.360 there are so many of them that they do not 1:23:51.600 --> 1:23:54.439 need to use crowd control. Well, crowd control weapons are 1:23:54.439 --> 1:23:56.679 things police use when they are out number That's partly 1:23:56.680 --> 1:23:59.519 why Portland police are so nuts with it is because 1:23:59.760 --> 1:24:02.439 they're almost no police in Portland, like it is literally 1:24:02.479 --> 1:24:06.280 the least police city per capita in the country pretty much, 1:24:06.920 --> 1:24:10.880 whereas you know Chicago. I think the protesters outnumbered the 1:24:10.880 --> 1:24:14.640 police yesterday, but not by a lot, Like it was 1:24:14.680 --> 1:24:15.880 not an overwhelming amount. 1:24:15.960 --> 1:24:17.960 There is a few differences between you know this and 1:24:17.960 --> 1:24:21.360 the RNC, obviously, and one of the main ones is 1:24:21.400 --> 1:24:23.439 that most of the cops we have seen have been local. 1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:26.439 They have been Chicago PD. There's been some Illinois State troopers. 1:24:26.800 --> 1:24:29.920 Of course, there's like Secret Service, Homeland Security Investigations FBI, 1:24:30.320 --> 1:24:33.639 but mostly it is just Chicago PUD even around the. 1:24:33.560 --> 1:24:37.080 Premier CPD and Illinois State Illinois State. Yeah, based on 1:24:37.200 --> 1:24:40.000 how because I had been I had been reading updates 1:24:40.360 --> 1:24:42.599 for the last couple of weeks on how security plans 1:24:42.640 --> 1:24:46.000 were proceeding for the DNC, I think that part of 1:24:46.000 --> 1:24:49.040 what we've seen, a large part was influenced by the 1:24:49.200 --> 1:24:53.080 guy that police murdered in Milwaukee, because it was a 1:24:53.080 --> 1:24:55.000 couple of days after the RNC that I started seeing 1:24:55.000 --> 1:24:58.160 the first articles about how there would not be out 1:24:58.200 --> 1:25:01.799 of state police doing trolling around the City of Chicago. 1:25:02.000 --> 1:25:06.280 So it does seem like, thankfully somebody over here recognized that, like, 1:25:06.320 --> 1:25:08.640 oh you if we have a bunch of fucking Ohio 1:25:08.640 --> 1:25:13.840 cops wandering around downtown Chicago like they're going to murder somebody, 1:25:14.040 --> 1:25:16.519 like they're going to freak out because these hay seed 1:25:16.600 --> 1:25:18.760 hicks have heard nothing in their entire lives as much 1:25:18.760 --> 1:25:22.080 as how dangerous Chicago is, They're just going to start blasting. Yeah, 1:25:22.120 --> 1:25:25.040 And I guess I'm just glad that hopefully nobody gets 1:25:25.120 --> 1:25:27.120 murdered by the cops this this week. 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:28.720 Well, do you know what we can't get murdered by? 1:25:29.000 --> 1:25:32.439 Yes, Garrison, Wow, Yes, Yes, indeed. 1:25:32.720 --> 1:25:35.599 Services. That's the fourth this podcast. If you enjoy them 1:25:35.600 --> 1:25:37.080 too much, you know, too much of a good thing 1:25:37.120 --> 1:25:38.599 is bad. That's what I've heard. 1:25:38.680 --> 1:25:40.439 Yeah, I mean that's really why I'm not sure if 1:25:40.479 --> 1:25:42.920 you don't overdose on products. You meet with bad bad 1:25:43.000 --> 1:25:46.160 Lee Roy Brown, because he's got a custom continental, he's 1:25:46.200 --> 1:25:59.760 got an Alado, Sophie, I'm a trendsetter. Nobody was talking 1:25:59.760 --> 1:26:02.120 about bad Badle Roy Brown except for the one guy 1:26:02.120 --> 1:26:04.719 who very famously talked about bad bad Le Roy Brown. 1:26:04.800 --> 1:26:06.400 Welcome back to It could happen here. 1:26:06.520 --> 1:26:10.439 So after getting through that that clusterfuck of a security 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:13.559 entrance means Zobe did eventually make it inside the DNC, 1:26:13.640 --> 1:26:16.360 which we'll talk about in a sec But as me 1:26:16.400 --> 1:26:20.360 and Robert we were parading around the protests on Monday, 1:26:20.640 --> 1:26:24.920 Sophie Lichterman was infiltrating dem Palooza, which is. 1:26:24.880 --> 1:26:26.560 The wrong way. It should be Demapalooza. 1:26:26.680 --> 1:26:28.040 It should be dema Paloza, but it's not. 1:26:29.840 --> 1:26:33.639 The angriest let me just give you some visuals here. 1:26:33.720 --> 1:26:35.400 First of all, you're absolutely cracked. 1:26:35.479 --> 1:26:38.880 The name is embarrassing, and that's generally how I felt 1:26:38.880 --> 1:26:39.960 about Dempaluza. 1:26:40.080 --> 1:26:44.719 What is dem Paluzavalusa is like a first off only 1:26:44.760 --> 1:26:47.400 the gen X people are going to remember Lollapalooza. 1:26:48.000 --> 1:26:51.160 No chapel Roone just performed at Lollapalooza. 1:26:51.360 --> 1:26:54.040 That doesn't seund do you? I don't some kind of 1:26:54.080 --> 1:26:55.120 horse great? 1:26:55.240 --> 1:26:57.559 Keep going keeping somebody Jesus Christ. 1:26:58.120 --> 1:27:03.200 Anyways, it was like half trade show, half panels by 1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:07.799 people talking about things that they think that the DNC 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:11.200 crowd will care about, leaning in too hard on the memes, 1:27:11.320 --> 1:27:13.160 like a there was a booth. 1:27:13.160 --> 1:27:14.519 Was it the coconut Vibes booth. 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:17.200 It was the I almost thought that was a bored 1:27:17.240 --> 1:27:18.320 apes thing at first. 1:27:19.280 --> 1:27:21.280 They just they just I was like, why are we 1:27:21.479 --> 1:27:22.560 why are we acknowledging? 1:27:22.560 --> 1:27:23.479 Fine, it's fine. 1:27:23.640 --> 1:27:26.519 There was there was like cool Coconut Vibes here booth, 1:27:27.080 --> 1:27:30.160 and right behind it was a seated area with like 1:27:30.479 --> 1:27:33.519 probably like one hundred chairs and there were two people 1:27:33.520 --> 1:27:36.720 giving speeches on something, and there were two people. 1:27:36.439 --> 1:27:36.920 In the crowd. 1:27:37.080 --> 1:27:40.559 Many many such cases, such cases, and you know, there 1:27:40.680 --> 1:27:43.960 was a lot of cardboard cutouts with VP Harris's face 1:27:43.960 --> 1:27:44.240 on it. 1:27:44.680 --> 1:27:48.280 There was like a VP. Harris as Wonder Woman section, 1:27:48.760 --> 1:27:50.360 and then there was a section with. 1:27:50.400 --> 1:27:52.479 Shirts they're having fun, just so. 1:27:52.439 --> 1:27:55.120 That people have an under understanding of like the level 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:58.640 of embarrassing. There was a one booth while I was 1:27:58.680 --> 1:28:00.880 waiting in the very unorganized line to get into the 1:28:00.920 --> 1:28:04.679 Panels area of Den Paloza that had shirts for sale 1:28:04.760 --> 1:28:08.320 for twenty eight dollars, featuring one that said beware of 1:28:08.400 --> 1:28:09.919 the uptidy whities. 1:28:10.720 --> 1:28:11.360 What does that mean? 1:28:12.840 --> 1:28:14.080 Uptight white people? I'm guessing. 1:28:14.080 --> 1:28:17.960 Okay, I believe, I believe so, But also why twenty 1:28:17.960 --> 1:28:21.000 eight dollars? Band dictionaries at your own pearl? 1:28:21.320 --> 1:28:21.840 Oh god? 1:28:21.960 --> 1:28:24.559 Okay, make stupid embarrassing again. 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:25.599 You get the picture. 1:28:25.680 --> 1:28:26.960 You get it, all right, you get the picture. So 1:28:27.280 --> 1:28:29.840 what panels did you attend at Den Paluza. 1:28:30.400 --> 1:28:32.599 The first panel I went to was a panel that 1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:35.879 was like, how to talk to your relatives about Project 1:28:36.080 --> 1:28:37.200 twenty twenty five. 1:28:37.640 --> 1:28:39.680 A great Thanksgiving dinner talk. 1:28:39.840 --> 1:28:43.400 Yeah, And it was very unorganized, and so I was 1:28:43.880 --> 1:28:46.400 thirty minutes late getting into it because not a single 1:28:46.439 --> 1:28:48.880 volunteer had been trained on how to get people into panels. 1:28:49.240 --> 1:28:53.120 And they had a circuit all around the building several 1:28:53.200 --> 1:28:56.320 times until I found a very nice security guard who 1:28:56.400 --> 1:28:58.600 actually worked for the building that was like, you go 1:28:58.720 --> 1:29:02.040 that way, thank you, sir, And I walk into this panel. 1:29:02.320 --> 1:29:05.559 There are seats for maybe three hundred people. 1:29:06.160 --> 1:29:08.559 There is one man at the front of the stage 1:29:09.040 --> 1:29:13.320 and about fifteen people listening. And I sat there for 1:29:13.360 --> 1:29:15.840 about five minutes and got up because it was basically 1:29:16.120 --> 1:29:18.800 the sum of it was, if your your relatives that 1:29:18.880 --> 1:29:21.439 you disagree with are trying to tell you something, don't 1:29:21.520 --> 1:29:22.080 yell at them. 1:29:22.400 --> 1:29:26.040 Listen to them first, which is not terrible to look. 1:29:26.040 --> 1:29:28.840 If your relatives want to start talking politics at the 1:29:28.880 --> 1:29:31.880 dinner table this year, this is going to be terrible handgun, 1:29:32.120 --> 1:29:34.400 drop it on the table, and then just sit down, 1:29:34.640 --> 1:29:36.880 put your legs up, stare at them. Just like the 1:29:36.920 --> 1:29:40.880 post the exact I learn everything about negotiations from the 1:29:40.880 --> 1:29:41.960 Portland Police Union. 1:29:42.840 --> 1:29:45.000 This is interesting, though, Sovid because every night at the 1:29:45.040 --> 1:29:47.519 DNC they're going to be reading from Project twenty twenty 1:29:47.520 --> 1:29:50.519 five on the main stage. Yesterday they were reading about 1:29:50.680 --> 1:29:53.679 all of the plans within that document to basically make 1:29:53.760 --> 1:29:56.760 Trump a de facto dictator. Tonight they're going to be 1:29:56.960 --> 1:30:00.519 reading on sections about how Project twenty five will affect 1:30:00.560 --> 1:30:03.360 the economy in your pocketbook. So they have this plan 1:30:03.560 --> 1:30:06.559 to every night actually talk about and read from the 1:30:06.600 --> 1:30:08.840 actual document, you know. Framing this says like this is 1:30:08.840 --> 1:30:10.920 basically like Trump's plan for once he gets into office, 1:30:11.000 --> 1:30:13.400 or this is like Republicans plan for Trump once he 1:30:13.439 --> 1:30:16.120 gets into office, and you know, this type of like 1:30:16.520 --> 1:30:20.120 scaremongering fear rhetoric around what Trump would do was semi 1:30:20.200 --> 1:30:21.880 successful in twenty twenty, and I think they're trying to, 1:30:21.920 --> 1:30:23.720 you know, use this similarly now. 1:30:24.200 --> 1:30:28.400 I also think it's smart because there's two big threats here. 1:30:28.439 --> 1:30:31.280 One of them is does the election, you know, go 1:30:31.439 --> 1:30:34.040 badly for Trump, which is an open question. And then 1:30:34.040 --> 1:30:37.840 the other is if it does, he's not going to concede. 1:30:38.120 --> 1:30:42.160 Do the Republicans have shit together to actually steal the election, 1:30:42.240 --> 1:30:46.160 to do another Brooks Brothers riot, to refuse certification, to 1:30:46.240 --> 1:30:48.920 try and kick up enough uncertainty that they can take 1:30:48.920 --> 1:30:51.840 it to the Supreme Court for a steal. And the 1:30:51.920 --> 1:30:54.479 only way, ultimately, if it's an arrow enough election that 1:30:54.520 --> 1:30:57.280 the Republicans go for that, the only real way to 1:30:57.400 --> 1:31:01.000 fight back is to get an overwhelming number of people 1:31:01.040 --> 1:31:04.240 out and angry in the streets, like enough that it 1:31:04.439 --> 1:31:07.680 frightens you know, the Supreme Court and everyone else who 1:31:07.720 --> 1:31:12.519 would be required to actually put in like sweat equity 1:31:12.720 --> 1:31:14.960 to carry off that steel. And one of the ways 1:31:15.000 --> 1:31:17.360 you do that is by making the stakes really clear. 1:31:17.400 --> 1:31:19.400 And so I think this is a it's a good 1:31:19.439 --> 1:31:23.840 idea and responsible that they're focusing on Project twenty twenty 1:31:23.880 --> 1:31:27.200 five as much as they are, and probably what's necessary 1:31:27.280 --> 1:31:30.759 to I'm hoping that the dims don't fold. If that happens, 1:31:30.760 --> 1:31:33.240 I guess we'll fucking see. You know, it's not two thousand. 1:31:33.439 --> 1:31:37.320 Soby what was the second panel you went to at Dempaluzo? 1:31:37.560 --> 1:31:40.320 So I walked around and looked into a bunch of 1:31:40.360 --> 1:31:43.280 different rooms to see if panels had a big crowd 1:31:43.600 --> 1:31:47.080 or not, and it was definitely or not. And then 1:31:47.320 --> 1:31:52.360 I went to the Voices for Justice, Democrats for Palestinian 1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:54.880 Human Rights panel that was. 1:31:56.400 --> 1:31:56.799 Packed. 1:31:57.240 --> 1:31:59.360 It sounded like the most popular panel of the day. 1:31:59.520 --> 1:32:04.680 Packed, no seats available, standing room and just the the 1:32:05.040 --> 1:32:10.360 energy was very respectful. Everyone in there was earnestly excited 1:32:10.400 --> 1:32:11.360 that this was happening. 1:32:11.960 --> 1:32:13.680 But also it was. 1:32:13.640 --> 1:32:16.640 Mentioned many times that this was a step, but obviously 1:32:16.680 --> 1:32:20.799 not the step that they wanted. And it was filled 1:32:21.080 --> 1:32:26.120 with media but also just people that were there for 1:32:26.200 --> 1:32:29.479 Dempaluza wanting to hear what people had to say. It 1:32:29.600 --> 1:32:34.880 was a very diverse group of people and the panel featured, 1:32:34.960 --> 1:32:40.120 you know, several activists, former members of the House of Representatives. 1:32:39.479 --> 1:32:41.040 Someone from the Uncommitted Committee. 1:32:41.400 --> 1:32:44.679 Yes, I believe they were part of organizing this panel. 1:32:45.240 --> 1:32:51.479 Although this panel was a official campaign approved panel, which 1:32:51.600 --> 1:32:54.439 was brought up many times by each person who spoke 1:32:54.520 --> 1:32:56.559 as a thing that it was a first of its 1:32:56.680 --> 1:33:03.080 kind approved campaign panel in regard to the people of Palestine. 1:33:02.600 --> 1:33:06.200 And it's part of the dance the DNC has been 1:33:06.240 --> 1:33:09.320 trying to do where they it is such a popular 1:33:09.760 --> 1:33:12.640 issue like giving a shit about the genocide, wanting to 1:33:12.680 --> 1:33:15.600 cease fire, that they can't not signal to it. But 1:33:15.680 --> 1:33:18.839 also there's absolutely no willingness at the top to actually 1:33:18.840 --> 1:33:22.559 hold Israel accountable, so they like they hold this event, 1:33:22.720 --> 1:33:25.360 they approve it, and it becomes the most popular one 1:33:25.479 --> 1:33:29.720 at the DNC. Biden makes a very mild line and 1:33:29.760 --> 1:33:32.680 support of life, basically saying there was a line during 1:33:32.800 --> 1:33:35.000 speech last night that like the protesters outside of a 1:33:35.000 --> 1:33:39.599 point right, which is not taking meaningful action, but it 1:33:39.680 --> 1:33:42.240 is like it gets one of the largest reactions from 1:33:42.280 --> 1:33:43.720 the crowd that night. I mean, you guys were in 1:33:43.760 --> 1:33:46.080 the room, but at least from where I was watching 1:33:46.120 --> 1:33:49.560 at the bar, it sounded like a pretty sizable response. 1:33:51.080 --> 1:33:54.400 And that's I guess the juggling act that they're still 1:33:54.400 --> 1:33:56.599 trying to do is like can we continue not actually 1:33:56.680 --> 1:33:59.960 committing on anything while keeping some of these people happy. 1:34:00.200 --> 1:34:03.840 And the uncommitted people are basically like this the protest 1:34:03.880 --> 1:34:07.840 group that's holding their votes, you know, hostage almost to 1:34:07.840 --> 1:34:10.439 say like if you want us to vote for you, Harris, 1:34:10.760 --> 1:34:13.120 you have to signal something, whether that be like an 1:34:13.240 --> 1:34:17.200 arms embargo, a real effort towards getting a ceasefire done, 1:34:17.439 --> 1:34:19.800 trying to lobby for change by using their vote as 1:34:19.840 --> 1:34:20.719 a bargaining chip. 1:34:21.040 --> 1:34:24.680 Yeah, and a couple interesting things to note before I 1:34:24.720 --> 1:34:27.920 play an audio clip for the listeners here. It took 1:34:28.160 --> 1:34:33.479 almost the entire panel for them to mention Joe Biden 1:34:33.520 --> 1:34:36.519 by name. I think that only happened once. It was 1:34:36.560 --> 1:34:40.559 mostly just referring to the party itself. At one point 1:34:40.560 --> 1:34:43.599 a panel member thank to VP Harris, and she's trying 1:34:43.920 --> 1:34:47.000 we need to hold her accountable, but give her a chance, 1:34:47.280 --> 1:34:50.800 which was the general energy from the entire entire group 1:34:50.920 --> 1:34:52.200 is like, she is. 1:34:52.160 --> 1:34:53.439 Not Joe Biden. 1:34:53.880 --> 1:34:56.960 We're hoping for better. Yeah, she's made an inch of 1:34:57.000 --> 1:34:59.720 a step. We need more, but we want to give 1:34:59.720 --> 1:35:00.680 her a chance. 1:35:00.439 --> 1:35:01.439 To do that. 1:35:01.800 --> 1:35:04.519 And I mean, it's a really different vibe from a 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:06.640 lot of the protests where you have people who are 1:35:06.680 --> 1:35:09.880 kind of more committed political radicals as opposed to the 1:35:09.960 --> 1:35:13.200 uncommitted folks. The overwhelming vibe is we would really like 1:35:13.320 --> 1:35:15.599 to get on board this, but you need to do 1:35:15.680 --> 1:35:16.479 something right. 1:35:17.200 --> 1:35:19.599 The clip that I'm about to play for the listeners 1:35:19.600 --> 1:35:25.360 here comes from a doctor, doctor Tanya Haja San, who 1:35:25.400 --> 1:35:28.479 is a pediatric intensive care doctor who works with the 1:35:28.600 --> 1:35:33.080 humanitarian organization Doctors Without Borders, and she has spent the 1:35:33.160 --> 1:35:38.000 last decade as a medical trainer and helping people and 1:35:38.160 --> 1:35:42.960 organizations in Gaza in the West Bank. And she spoke 1:35:43.000 --> 1:35:46.599 for ten minutes, and I thought it was pretty moving. 1:35:47.160 --> 1:35:50.000 It was a large room and I was able to 1:35:50.000 --> 1:35:53.000 get very clear audio, which kind of says a lot 1:35:53.040 --> 1:35:56.479 about the crowd, and she kind of just spoke about 1:35:56.520 --> 1:36:00.439 her experience, and yeah, I guess I'll just played that 1:36:00.439 --> 1:36:01.880 clip for everyone now. 1:36:02.479 --> 1:36:03.880 When the Uncomitted. 1:36:03.400 --> 1:36:07.639 Movement asked me to be here, I be texted every 1:36:07.680 --> 1:36:09.280 doctor and surgeon. 1:36:08.880 --> 1:36:11.000 That I knew who had been to Gaza in the 1:36:11.040 --> 1:36:13.000 last ten months, and. 1:36:12.920 --> 1:36:14.599 I asked them if they wanted to join me here 1:36:14.600 --> 1:36:17.679 in Chicago. And the overwhelming response, actually every single person 1:36:17.720 --> 1:36:19.360 said yes, let me see if I can switch out 1:36:19.360 --> 1:36:20.559 of my shift, and many. 1:36:20.439 --> 1:36:22.840 Of them are actually here in Chicago right now. 1:36:23.280 --> 1:36:27.320 Because we cannot unsee what we witnessed and caused every 1:36:27.320 --> 1:36:30.120 single one of us, many of us have worked in 1:36:30.200 --> 1:36:33.360 many wars before and we have never seen. 1:36:33.160 --> 1:36:35.840 Anything so it reaches so atrocious. 1:36:36.800 --> 1:36:39.679 And that is why many of us swapped out shifts. 1:36:39.760 --> 1:36:42.760 Had phoned a very long way to speak to politicians 1:36:42.800 --> 1:36:44.759 when we're not helps ourself. 1:36:48.520 --> 1:36:51.440 As doctors were trained to protect and reserve. 1:36:51.600 --> 1:36:53.080 Life, and. 1:36:54.680 --> 1:36:56.960 This Israeli military. 1:36:56.520 --> 1:37:01.400 Campaign that's targeting life and every thing needed to statement. 1:37:01.520 --> 1:37:05.479 Has rendered that impossible. And that is why so many 1:37:05.479 --> 1:37:06.000 of us have. 1:37:06.040 --> 1:37:10.840 Taken to other needs of trying to protect life. For 1:37:10.920 --> 1:37:16.680 the past ten months, we have witnessed civilian massacre after civilian. 1:37:16.240 --> 1:37:19.640 Massacre, school massacres who internally displaced people with. 1:37:19.760 --> 1:37:26.080 Children, the Flower massacre, massacres of people try to collect water, 1:37:26.280 --> 1:37:30.040 massacres of people are collecting eight of eight sites massacre 1:37:30.439 --> 1:37:40.280 after civilian massacre, Entire families exterminated in one single bomb, humanitarians, 1:37:40.360 --> 1:37:46.360 healthcare workers killed at and journalists killed in record numbers, 1:37:47.200 --> 1:37:52.880 pediatric amputations, amputations, and children that are heartbreaking records over 1:37:52.920 --> 1:37:54.600 seventeen thousand children. 1:37:54.240 --> 1:37:56.800 Who have lost one or both parents. 1:37:56.840 --> 1:38:05.320 Since October in Gaza. 1:38:02.360 --> 1:38:07.320 We have treated so many children who have lost their 1:38:07.520 --> 1:38:13.320 entire family that it has a term has. 1:38:13.200 --> 1:38:15.840 Been coined to describe these children who probably heard it 1:38:15.880 --> 1:38:19.439 Wounded Child on Surviving Family in WCNSF. This is a 1:38:19.560 --> 1:38:22.639 term that has been coined since October to describe as 1:38:22.760 --> 1:38:26.680 very frequent phenomenon that I personally witnessed more times than 1:38:26.720 --> 1:38:28.840 I can count while I was there. 1:38:30.439 --> 1:38:31.120 For children. 1:38:32.160 --> 1:38:34.479 I have held the hand of children who are taking 1:38:34.520 --> 1:38:38.240 their last guests because their entire family was killed in 1:38:38.280 --> 1:38:40.320 the same attack and couldn't be there holding their hand 1:38:40.360 --> 1:38:44.400 and comforting them, and could not bury them thereafter. For 1:38:44.479 --> 1:38:48.240 the children who I treated who were discharged, they were 1:38:48.479 --> 1:38:53.160 and survived, they face a Russian let of a hundred 1:38:53.200 --> 1:38:56.559 ways that they will like me and pretend to die 1:38:56.600 --> 1:39:00.360 when they leave the hospital due to the service answer 1:39:00.479 --> 1:39:04.960 is incompatible with life that has been architectured vias, military assault, 1:39:05.920 --> 1:39:12.200 direct bombing, starvation, dehydration, disease. Alarming reports of the first 1:39:12.240 --> 1:39:16.120 cases of polio and gaza right now. Polio's a potentially 1:39:16.200 --> 1:39:20.679 deadly diseased that causes paralysis, including paralysis the muscles needed 1:39:20.680 --> 1:39:26.599 to breathe, that has been eradicated for decades in that region. 1:39:27.240 --> 1:39:31.800 There's been a polio fascination campaign that essentially is eradicated 1:39:31.840 --> 1:39:34.320 the disease from the majority of the world, and now 1:39:34.400 --> 1:39:35.760 we're seeing cases. 1:39:35.439 --> 1:39:38.920 Emerging in a. 1:39:37.600 --> 1:39:41.120 Area of the world that cannot that has a healthier 1:39:41.160 --> 1:39:46.599 system that has been completely and entirely annihilated. I mentioned 1:39:46.680 --> 1:39:49.479 these wounded children with no surviving family. I'm going to 1:39:49.560 --> 1:39:52.320 give you two quick stories just so that you can 1:39:52.840 --> 1:39:55.320 humanize what I mean when going to say this, because 1:39:55.360 --> 1:39:57.400 I know it's really hard to hear these numbers and 1:39:58.080 --> 1:40:01.479 think about individuals and what this means to them. I 1:40:01.720 --> 1:40:04.080 received a young boy in the emergency department during one 1:40:04.120 --> 1:40:06.320 of the mass casualties who had hating half of his 1:40:06.479 --> 1:40:12.080 face and antholwa Luckily, the organs that are lighted for 1:40:12.200 --> 1:40:13.800 breathing and blood supplied. 1:40:13.400 --> 1:40:14.479 To the brain were preserved. 1:40:14.560 --> 1:40:18.320 They were visible but preserved, and he was talking to us. 1:40:18.360 --> 1:40:19.439 He couldn't see himself, so. 1:40:19.520 --> 1:40:21.840 He didn't know what he looked like at that point 1:40:21.840 --> 1:40:23.519 in time, and he kept asking for his sister. 1:40:23.680 --> 1:40:25.240 His sister was in the bed next to him. 1:40:26.320 --> 1:40:30.680 The majority of her body was burned beyond recognition. He 1:40:30.720 --> 1:40:31.960 didn't recognize that. 1:40:31.960 --> 1:40:33.280 The girl in the bed next. 1:40:33.080 --> 1:40:37.320 In his sister, his entire family, parents, and the rest 1:40:37.360 --> 1:40:39.160 of his siblings who are killed in the same attack. 1:40:39.920 --> 1:40:43.120 That always survived. And the next day I went to 1:40:43.160 --> 1:40:46.040 see him. A very young plastic surgeon, one of the 1:40:46.080 --> 1:40:49.479 few remaining plastic surgeons in God because both the others 1:40:49.600 --> 1:40:53.840 have either been killed or have fled. To understand, Lee 1:40:54.800 --> 1:40:57.439 had removed part of his chest and created a graft 1:40:57.880 --> 1:41:01.200 to cover those vible that organs in the net. He 1:41:01.320 --> 1:41:03.679 was lying in his bed and mung Wing's so difficult 1:41:03.720 --> 1:41:07.240 to talk, and he kept saying I felt really close 1:41:07.280 --> 1:41:07.519 to him. 1:41:07.560 --> 1:41:09.599 And he said I envisioned and died too. 1:41:09.920 --> 1:41:11.639 And I said what And. 1:41:11.560 --> 1:41:14.559 He said, I think my entire family has gone to 1:41:14.640 --> 1:41:17.719 heaven or it's not. My entire comming is exact words 1:41:17.800 --> 1:41:20.719 or something effective. Everybody I loved is now in heaven. 1:41:20.880 --> 1:41:23.679 I don't want to be here anymore. That is one 1:41:23.760 --> 1:41:25.520 of so many stories. 1:41:26.240 --> 1:41:30.160 Well, uh, yep, that's yeah. 1:41:30.240 --> 1:41:32.080 Here's some ads, some ads. 1:41:32.160 --> 1:41:42.800 Yeah, all right, we are back. 1:41:42.960 --> 1:41:46.080 We're gonna close this episode by talking about means of 1:41:46.120 --> 1:41:49.120 these experiences in the actual DNC once we finally got 1:41:49.160 --> 1:41:53.840 past that ridiculous security gate. So we got in and 1:41:54.160 --> 1:41:56.880 the biggest thing that we realized first was just how 1:41:57.160 --> 1:41:59.800 disorganized this was, at least compared to the RNC. Now, 1:41:59.800 --> 1:42:02.160 this is due to number of factors, the protests being one. 1:42:02.520 --> 1:42:05.599 There's simply just more people at the DNC, like, way 1:42:05.880 --> 1:42:06.759 way more people. 1:42:07.520 --> 1:42:12.040 Yeah, I definitely feel like one of the right wing 1:42:12.160 --> 1:42:13.800 things to do right now is to be like there 1:42:13.880 --> 1:42:15.040 was nobody there. 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:18.680 Absolutely, it was packed. It was way more crowded than 1:42:18.720 --> 1:42:19.439 Monday at the Art. 1:42:19.960 --> 1:42:22.120 It was much harder to find a place to sit 1:42:22.240 --> 1:42:24.080 inside the arena. 1:42:23.640 --> 1:42:27.679 Honestly hard to find a place to comfortably stand inside 1:42:27.720 --> 1:42:32.040 the arena. No so unbelievably packed. Garrison and I got 1:42:32.200 --> 1:42:36.480 inside of the actual seating area trying to find a 1:42:36.040 --> 1:42:40.759 place to sit briefly as VP Harris came to greet 1:42:40.760 --> 1:42:43.639 the crowd, and it was roar y. 1:42:43.840 --> 1:42:47.200 It was what I would describe as electric electric. People 1:42:47.400 --> 1:42:49.519 really like to see her. She played it very casual 1:42:49.560 --> 1:42:51.880 to kind of open up the convention. She didn't even 1:42:51.880 --> 1:42:54.320 have a podium. She was just basically a stand upset 1:42:54.320 --> 1:42:55.200 walking around with him. 1:42:55.479 --> 1:42:57.040 She came out to be like hey girl. 1:42:57.160 --> 1:42:59.600 Yeah exactly, and she was. She was opening things up 1:42:59.760 --> 1:43:02.639 very formally. People seem to really like that, and then 1:43:02.680 --> 1:43:03.880 you know, a lot of a lot of the main 1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:07.040 speakers started started to kind of roll out. Now, me 1:43:07.040 --> 1:43:10.600 and Sophie were able to somehow get special tickets to 1:43:10.640 --> 1:43:13.519 go on the actual like delegate floor area, something we 1:43:13.600 --> 1:43:15.360 never were able to do during the R and C. 1:43:15.640 --> 1:43:19.280 Dare I say big mistake, which was this was a 1:43:19.320 --> 1:43:20.679 massive error on our part. 1:43:20.760 --> 1:43:22.400 This is why I just sat at the bar. 1:43:22.400 --> 1:43:27.240 Because it is a nightmare down there, so much pushing, shoving, 1:43:27.320 --> 1:43:28.240 no place to go. 1:43:28.400 --> 1:43:29.960 You really get to taste democracy. 1:43:30.120 --> 1:43:33.479 As soon as we stepped on the floor, AOC walked 1:43:33.520 --> 1:43:36.000 on stage, everything went crazy. 1:43:36.680 --> 1:43:37.599 It was it was. 1:43:37.640 --> 1:43:42.280 A nightmare called for ceasfire Gaza, which apparently I did 1:43:42.280 --> 1:43:45.679 not see any of the speeches before her, but apparently 1:43:45.760 --> 1:43:48.120 that was the first time that was done at night, 1:43:48.760 --> 1:43:49.120 and the. 1:43:49.080 --> 1:43:49.720 Crowd loved it. 1:43:49.800 --> 1:43:52.080 She gave a great speech, I mean speech talking about 1:43:52.080 --> 1:43:54.519 working people. I think it's also important because of just 1:43:54.800 --> 1:43:57.400 how well she was received and like the kind of 1:43:57.439 --> 1:43:59.559 the spot that she had at the convention. Like she is, 1:44:00.280 --> 1:44:02.240 she used to be kind of be like an outsider 1:44:02.280 --> 1:44:05.920 to like the Democrat Party. Right at this point she 1:44:06.040 --> 1:44:08.320 is like fully within the fold of like the Democrat 1:44:08.400 --> 1:44:10.880 machine and for better or worse, I mean to probably 1:44:10.880 --> 1:44:11.519 a mix of both. 1:44:11.520 --> 1:44:13.360 In some regards, there's a lot of talk that in 1:44:13.439 --> 1:44:15.799 eight or twelve years she's going to be running and. 1:44:16.479 --> 1:44:21.760 Yeah, yeah, she she is preparing for a long political career. Yeah, 1:44:21.840 --> 1:44:24.439 and people seem to like her and the person that 1:44:24.600 --> 1:44:28.080 spoke immediately after AOC while while we while me and 1:44:28.160 --> 1:44:30.519 Sophie were still being shuffled around the show floor. 1:44:30.600 --> 1:44:33.000 I don't think shuffled is the way to even describe it. 1:44:33.120 --> 1:44:36.120 You guys have seen the Jordan Peele movie. Sorry, what's 1:44:36.160 --> 1:44:39.280 what's the one with the sky monster? Nope, nope. Yeah, 1:44:39.400 --> 1:44:43.479 it's like being it's caught. It's like you're being sharned 1:44:43.520 --> 1:44:44.719 with a bunch of other people. 1:44:44.880 --> 1:44:48.280 My hair, my hair was caught in like a CNN camera, 1:44:49.640 --> 1:44:51.160 like you could not breathe. 1:44:51.240 --> 1:44:53.400 It was like a mosh bit, but not fought. 1:44:53.520 --> 1:44:55.920 No, we were we were caught inside the jean jacket. 1:44:55.920 --> 1:44:58.120 But it was it was we were being slashed around. 1:44:58.640 --> 1:45:01.719 There's three I and we were in the center Aisle 1:45:01.920 --> 1:45:06.679 Jesus christatically like parallel to where the person who would 1:45:06.680 --> 1:45:08.559 be speaking comes up to talk. 1:45:08.720 --> 1:45:12.400 And then Hillary Clinton took the stage and unfortunately the 1:45:12.479 --> 1:45:13.680 crowd loved it. 1:45:13.880 --> 1:45:16.080 They went fairal for Hillary Clinton. 1:45:16.200 --> 1:45:17.960 Yeah, baffling, just baffling. 1:45:18.280 --> 1:45:18.599 It was. 1:45:19.040 --> 1:45:21.639 I looked back at Garrison and I and we both 1:45:21.760 --> 1:45:23.200 with each other like death. 1:45:24.840 --> 1:45:27.160 Wanted to die. It's it's like when you're in a 1:45:27.160 --> 1:45:29.920 foreign country and they eat some sort of like lutfisk 1:45:30.040 --> 1:45:32.280 or something some sort of like weird rotten fish dish 1:45:32.360 --> 1:45:34.160 that they just love over there. 1:45:34.160 --> 1:45:37.360 Or okay, or when they eat like American garbage fast 1:45:37.360 --> 1:45:38.200 food and also love it. 1:45:38.280 --> 1:45:40.080 You're like, oh no, it's a terrifying I don't know. 1:45:40.080 --> 1:45:42.559 What I was expecting, but I just didn't think the 1:45:42.640 --> 1:45:46.040 DNC still loved Hillary the way they do. 1:45:46.160 --> 1:45:49.639 But they went fairal she. 1:45:49.880 --> 1:45:53.440 Was like very popular. I mean, she won the primaries. 1:45:53.560 --> 1:45:56.000 She's got a base of support. She just is. The 1:45:56.040 --> 1:45:58.679 people who hate her hate her a lot. Excuse. 1:45:59.479 --> 1:46:01.280 She gave a very big mad speech. 1:46:02.240 --> 1:46:03.439 She loss of arm waving. 1:46:03.720 --> 1:46:06.240 People disagree about that, Garrison. People got angry at me 1:46:06.320 --> 1:46:10.200 for saying she seems angry. She she was a little 1:46:10.200 --> 1:46:11.800 big mad. I would I wouldn't say. 1:46:12.120 --> 1:46:15.080 I would say she gave a standard Hillary Clinton. 1:46:15.240 --> 1:46:16.559 Yeah, yeah, it was a pretty standard. 1:46:16.600 --> 1:46:18.919 Yeah, she's just not very likable and charismatic. 1:46:19.040 --> 1:46:20.760 So but she did. I do. 1:46:20.920 --> 1:46:24.320 I do have a great picture of wins Garrison and 1:46:24.360 --> 1:46:27.920 I survived the floor. We were up in a press 1:46:27.960 --> 1:46:31.680 area and of Hillary Clinton with both her hands in 1:46:31.760 --> 1:46:34.320 the air and the crowd eating it up. 1:46:34.840 --> 1:46:35.160 Again. 1:46:35.560 --> 1:46:38.800 A choice, Yeah, navigating this this whole place with an area. 1:46:38.840 --> 1:46:40.920 We're never gonna go in the on the delegate floor again. 1:46:41.080 --> 1:46:43.680 Just a nightmare, thank you, being shuffled around corridors. It's 1:46:43.720 --> 1:46:45.680 it's it's terrible. There was a few other you know, 1:46:46.080 --> 1:46:49.360 a few other speakers usher I think did didn't okay speech. 1:46:49.760 --> 1:46:52.719 You know, uh, lot of stuff about abortion, a lot 1:46:52.760 --> 1:46:57.880 of videos on the big jumbo tron about about cop 1:46:58.000 --> 1:47:01.840 prosecutor Kamala taken down the and Donald Trump. As expected, 1:47:02.000 --> 1:47:03.120 they had all. 1:47:03.080 --> 1:47:04.800 Do we want to play a clip of that? By 1:47:04.840 --> 1:47:06.519 the way, do you have the Law and Order clip? 1:47:06.560 --> 1:47:10.360 Sophie Heerson? Do I have the Law Order clip? Of course, 1:47:10.439 --> 1:47:11.240 I have the Law. 1:47:11.120 --> 1:47:13.840 And Order and we can play twenty seconds of the 1:47:13.920 --> 1:47:14.839 Law and Order clip. 1:47:14.920 --> 1:47:17.439 Yes. There was several different videos played throughout the night, 1:47:17.520 --> 1:47:19.720 but I would say the most memorable one was the 1:47:20.200 --> 1:47:25.479 Law and Order themed clip featuring big Bad kam Law 1:47:25.600 --> 1:47:32.280 as the prosecutor and criminal Donald Trump as the villain 1:47:32.400 --> 1:47:35.439 of the story the New York sex pest Criminal of 1:47:35.479 --> 1:47:35.800 the Week. 1:47:36.080 --> 1:47:39.400 The criminal justice system the people are represented by two 1:47:39.439 --> 1:47:43.559 separate yet equally important groups, the police who investigate crime 1:47:44.160 --> 1:47:47.680 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. This is 1:47:47.680 --> 1:47:53.040 the story of Donald Trump his entire life. Trumps believed 1:47:53.040 --> 1:47:55.800 he's above the law, that no one would ever dare 1:47:55.840 --> 1:47:59.320 hold them accountable. For the first time in history, we 1:47:59.400 --> 1:48:02.840 have a convict felon running for president, and to take 1:48:02.880 --> 1:48:06.200 on this case, we need a president who has spent 1:48:06.280 --> 1:48:08.160 her life prosecuting perpetrators. 1:48:08.400 --> 1:48:11.720 Like God, God damn it. 1:48:11.720 --> 1:48:14.040 It was the choice and it was night one. 1:48:14.439 --> 1:48:15.439 We'll see how that plays. 1:48:15.600 --> 1:48:19.840 So Jill Biden introduced well, first introduced her daughter, and 1:48:19.880 --> 1:48:23.400 then they introduced Joe Biden. I think one interesting thing 1:48:23.439 --> 1:48:25.920 is that throughout the night, I started seeing more green 1:48:26.200 --> 1:48:29.160 Jill signs, which I thought was really confusing, like who's 1:48:29.160 --> 1:48:31.560 stuck in Jill Stein green party. 1:48:31.320 --> 1:48:31.920 Signs into this? 1:48:31.960 --> 1:48:34.679 And then I realized, no, the signs for Jill Biden, 1:48:34.680 --> 1:48:36.320 which I don't know if they chose green signs to 1:48:36.320 --> 1:48:39.639 be intentionally like trying to like reclaim green for Jill 1:48:39.680 --> 1:48:40.800 Biden instead of Jill Stein. 1:48:40.840 --> 1:48:43.000 I don't know. I found it to be odd. 1:48:43.320 --> 1:48:45.679 She led the crowd and like, we love Joe Chance 1:48:46.160 --> 1:48:49.120 And immediately as soon as everyone started changing, like we 1:48:49.160 --> 1:48:51.800 love Joe, thank you Joe. It's starting to feel like 1:48:51.800 --> 1:48:54.120 we're kind of just sending him out to pasture and 1:48:54.160 --> 1:48:57.040 that was the main vibe of the Joe Biden was very. 1:48:56.880 --> 1:48:59.840 Emotional putting on his favorite Spotify. 1:49:00.400 --> 1:49:03.760 Yeah, he was very emotional, came out crying after his 1:49:03.880 --> 1:49:06.439 daughter introduced him. And I would say there was like 1:49:06.479 --> 1:49:08.960 a good ten minute standing ovation for him. 1:49:08.920 --> 1:49:10.920 Maybe maybe five, but it was. It was long. 1:49:11.000 --> 1:49:13.920 It was I was being generous. It's his last big thing. 1:49:14.240 --> 1:49:18.120 I don't they It's a really nice farm. You know, 1:49:18.240 --> 1:49:20.360 there's a great view of the mountains from it. Beautiful 1:49:20.439 --> 1:49:23.639 helpstrassed run through in the summer all day long, which 1:49:23.840 --> 1:49:24.360 we just run it. 1:49:24.400 --> 1:49:26.040 We had a direct view of the teleprompter. Did a 1:49:26.040 --> 1:49:28.600 great job reading that teleprompter. He won off script, you know, 1:49:28.640 --> 1:49:29.679 a handful of times. 1:49:30.000 --> 1:49:34.160 But his actual performance was pretty good, especially for coming 1:49:34.160 --> 1:49:36.000 out around like eleven pm. He did. 1:49:36.120 --> 1:49:36.800 He did pretty good. 1:49:37.040 --> 1:49:39.400 It was a strong It was a strong performance for Joe. 1:49:39.560 --> 1:49:41.559 One of the first things he mentioned was Charlottesville, as 1:49:41.560 --> 1:49:43.519 he talked about before in his campaign for being with 1:49:43.520 --> 1:49:46.240 the Reason that he ran in twenty twenty, you know, 1:49:46.360 --> 1:49:48.799 talking about how you know, lots of rhetoric was identical 1:49:48.840 --> 1:49:52.519 from Nazis and anti Semitic vile from nineteen thirties. He 1:49:52.600 --> 1:49:56.320 had a line describing kind of the alt right movements 1:49:56.400 --> 1:49:58.880 as old ghosts in new garments. I thought that was 1:49:58.920 --> 1:50:02.280 well written by whatever speed at the White House was 1:50:02.280 --> 1:50:04.960 putting that one together. Yeah, you know, talking about how 1:50:04.960 --> 1:50:07.280 Trump's being aligned with these like with this new version 1:50:07.280 --> 1:50:09.439 of the KKK. They just they just forgot to wear 1:50:09.479 --> 1:50:12.120 their hoods, talking about you know, very fine people on 1:50:12.160 --> 1:50:15.479 both sides. Hate has no safe harbor in America, all 1:50:15.479 --> 1:50:17.120 that kind of stuff. And you know, this was this 1:50:17.200 --> 1:50:19.200 rhetoric was a lot more common back in like, you know, 1:50:19.240 --> 1:50:22.120 twenty nineteen, you know, right after Charlotte's film, during like 1:50:22.160 --> 1:50:24.200 the height of like the alt right movement. We don't 1:50:24.200 --> 1:50:26.200 hear this as much anymore, but I think it is 1:50:26.240 --> 1:50:29.840 important to remember that this was not that long ago. 1:50:29.920 --> 1:50:32.720 He then kind of talked about mostly the past. He 1:50:32.760 --> 1:50:34.800 wasn't talking about kind of the future. He was talking 1:50:34.840 --> 1:50:37.240 about what the Biden administration has been able to do 1:50:37.320 --> 1:50:39.479 the past four years and trying to tie in, you know, 1:50:39.600 --> 1:50:41.639 Kamula to all of the good things that have happened, 1:50:42.160 --> 1:50:43.880 you know, talking about four years of progress, you know, 1:50:43.920 --> 1:50:47.160 making waves with a COVID, with the economy, lots of 1:50:47.200 --> 1:50:50.720 new jobs, inflation is down, at least now he gave 1:50:50.800 --> 1:50:54.600 his greatest shrinking the racial gaps. You know, health insurance 1:50:54.720 --> 1:50:58.240 stocks are good. We finally beat big Pharma, I'm sure whatever. 1:50:58.640 --> 1:51:00.839 A lot of stuff about tying him to the unions, 1:51:00.840 --> 1:51:02.760 you know, saying that people have called him the most 1:51:03.160 --> 1:51:05.439 the most pro union president in history, and he's like, 1:51:05.600 --> 1:51:08.600 I'm proud to I'm proud to take on that Moniker. 1:51:08.240 --> 1:51:10.679 Or something like that, chanting Union Joe. 1:51:10.840 --> 1:51:13.800 Union Joe said he was the first president to walk 1:51:13.800 --> 1:51:16.320 the picket line, so you know, they were definitely focusing 1:51:16.360 --> 1:51:18.720 a lot of that union messaging. It is interesting considering 1:51:19.000 --> 1:51:22.120 that one union leader spoke at the RNC yeah back 1:51:22.160 --> 1:51:23.880 when the nomination for the Democrats. 1:51:23.880 --> 1:51:25.880 Speech is yes, yes. 1:51:25.680 --> 1:51:30.080 Yes, very brief talk about carbon emissions and pollution, but similarly, 1:51:30.200 --> 1:51:31.639 very little climate change stuff. 1:51:31.680 --> 1:51:32.559 Almost yeah. 1:51:32.600 --> 1:51:35.240 It's which is which has been common throughout this whole campaign. 1:51:35.320 --> 1:51:37.639 This this this, this whole election has been very little 1:51:37.680 --> 1:51:38.800 mention of climate change stuff. 1:51:38.800 --> 1:51:40.479 You really get a feeling of what a gift it 1:51:40.520 --> 1:51:43.080 has been for the Democratic Party that the Republicans have 1:51:43.200 --> 1:51:45.679 given them all this fascism stuff to talk about, rather 1:51:45.720 --> 1:51:50.040 than actually needing to make any kind of serious statements 1:51:50.080 --> 1:51:52.479 about what they're going to do climate change. 1:51:52.520 --> 1:51:54.280 Part of the other kind of achievements that he was 1:51:54.360 --> 1:51:56.640 you know, Lotting was saying that they finally beat the 1:51:56.720 --> 1:52:00.120 NRA passing this gun safety bill, and next they're to 1:52:00.160 --> 1:52:02.880 ban assault weapons and pass universal background safety bill. 1:52:03.120 --> 1:52:04.720 Okay, it was one of the ones that didn't really 1:52:04.760 --> 1:52:06.240 do any Yeah. Correct. 1:52:06.840 --> 1:52:09.400 There was a brief section about the border, saying that 1:52:09.439 --> 1:52:12.640 there's now fewer border crossings than when Trump left office, 1:52:13.160 --> 1:52:15.479 saying that, you know, Trump tried to kill our border 1:52:15.479 --> 1:52:18.320 security bill, and he said, the main thing that makes 1:52:18.400 --> 1:52:22.200 us different from the Republicans is that we won't demonize immigrants. 1:52:22.720 --> 1:52:24.439 We are going to a They're going. 1:52:24.320 --> 1:52:28.200 To still do really really bad like border violence and 1:52:28.720 --> 1:52:29.879 really really bad. 1:52:29.720 --> 1:52:32.800 Border security policies from asylum from being able to like 1:52:32.840 --> 1:52:34.599 flee bad situations. 1:52:34.040 --> 1:52:36.120 But they're not going to be spending the whole convention 1:52:36.240 --> 1:52:39.040 every single day talking NonStop about how immigrants are coming 1:52:39.040 --> 1:52:41.519 to rape your family, and like, yeah, that is true. 1:52:41.560 --> 1:52:43.120 You don't talk about them the same way. 1:52:43.240 --> 1:52:45.160 But some of your actual policies are not all that 1:52:45.240 --> 1:52:48.800 different from what most Republicans in office want. You know, 1:52:48.920 --> 1:52:51.679 they're not calling for massive deportations at the same rate, 1:52:52.000 --> 1:52:54.840 but still that border security bill was very similar to 1:52:54.880 --> 1:52:56.640 ones that Trump was proposing, and the only reason that 1:52:56.680 --> 1:52:58.920 Trump killed it was so that Biden wouldn't be able 1:52:58.960 --> 1:53:01.800 to take credit, which Bin didn't also say during the. 1:53:01.720 --> 1:53:04.120 Speech order fear monger, I mean, it's just been a 1:53:04.160 --> 1:53:05.519 titanic victory for the right. 1:53:06.520 --> 1:53:08.839 And I'll talk about abortion, talk about how if Harris's 1:53:08.960 --> 1:53:12.519 is president, she'll be able to sign in something that 1:53:12.800 --> 1:53:15.759 puts into law that right to abortion, saying that quote, 1:53:15.880 --> 1:53:19.080 Maga found out the power of women in twenty twenty two, 1:53:19.280 --> 1:53:21.040 saying that they're going to find out again in twenty 1:53:21.080 --> 1:53:23.400 twenty four, which he's not wrong about, Dadley, that is 1:53:23.439 --> 1:53:25.800 that is repealing Roe v Wade did I did sign 1:53:25.800 --> 1:53:27.960 election results in twenty two, twenty twenty five. 1:53:28.200 --> 1:53:31.080 Abortion's mandatory finally. 1:53:31.320 --> 1:53:34.200 And yeah, he's you know, talking about quote we got 1:53:34.240 --> 1:53:36.640 to put a prosecutor in the Oval office instead of 1:53:36.640 --> 1:53:39.640 a convicted Felon said, saying that Harris is going to 1:53:39.680 --> 1:53:42.920 be forty seven. And whenever he made a comment like that, 1:53:42.960 --> 1:53:45.120 talking about how Harris is going to be the next president, 1:53:45.400 --> 1:53:47.639 the whole crowd sort of breaking you own chance, saying 1:53:47.960 --> 1:53:51.920 thank you, Joe, thank you Joe. It's just really funny 1:53:52.040 --> 1:53:54.240 because they are just thanking him for stepping down for 1:53:54.400 --> 1:53:54.760 the race. 1:53:54.960 --> 1:53:57.600 Everybody wanted a chance to remember what two thousand and 1:53:57.640 --> 1:53:59.479 eight was like, and they got it and they could 1:53:59.560 --> 1:53:59.960 not be more. 1:54:00.040 --> 1:54:02.280 Are great and just just interesting to note that it 1:54:02.280 --> 1:54:04.280 took it did take him quite a while to really 1:54:04.320 --> 1:54:08.760 start talking about Kamala, but whenever the large chance of 1:54:08.840 --> 1:54:11.000 thank you Joe would start, he'd be like, no, no, no, 1:54:11.280 --> 1:54:12.160 thank you Kamala. 1:54:12.720 --> 1:54:15.600 One of the last things that Joe talked about was 1:54:15.800 --> 1:54:19.920 briefly mentioning Ukraine and then talking about Gaza, and this 1:54:20.040 --> 1:54:21.280 is kind of one of the last things in his 1:54:21.320 --> 1:54:24.559 speech before he started like his closing remarks. You know, 1:54:24.600 --> 1:54:26.840 he talked about, you know, the need to get to 1:54:26.840 --> 1:54:29.680 get the hostages to safety and to quote unquote end 1:54:29.720 --> 1:54:32.480 of the war in Gaza, saying that they're working around 1:54:32.520 --> 1:54:35.960 the clock to surge humanitarian aid into Gaza and to 1:54:36.040 --> 1:54:39.000 get a lasting ceasefire. He then gave a small off 1:54:39.040 --> 1:54:42.320 the cuff mention to the DNC protests, and this part 1:54:42.360 --> 1:54:45.800 wasn't on the teleprompter. He said, quote, those protesters out 1:54:45.840 --> 1:54:48.280 in the street have a point. A lot of innocent 1:54:48.320 --> 1:54:52.000 people are being killed on both sides. And he made 1:54:52.000 --> 1:54:55.600 similar comments to this last March, saying that protesters who 1:54:55.600 --> 1:54:58.440 were disrupting a rally of his quote unquote have a point. 1:54:58.480 --> 1:55:00.880 So he has used this line before, but this was 1:55:00.960 --> 1:55:04.520 kind of the only acknowledgment of the protests that I 1:55:04.560 --> 1:55:06.920 saw today from any of the DNC speeches. 1:55:07.120 --> 1:55:09.840 It is interesting that this was not scripted. This was 1:55:09.880 --> 1:55:10.680 just something that. 1:55:10.760 --> 1:55:13.760 He said because, as mentioned before, we had a view 1:55:13.760 --> 1:55:15.000 of the telerompter. 1:55:15.160 --> 1:55:18.040 And at the same time that this happened, someone on 1:55:18.080 --> 1:55:20.320 the far side of the crowd unfurled a banner, and 1:55:20.360 --> 1:55:22.000 I think Robert has some more infro on that. 1:55:22.520 --> 1:55:26.240 Yeah, there were a couple of delegates who managed to 1:55:26.280 --> 1:55:28.600 sneak in a banner. Do you know if they were delegates, Well, 1:55:28.600 --> 1:55:31.200 at least one of them was, okay, a banner that 1:55:31.240 --> 1:55:35.400 said stop arming Israel. They unfurled it and got a 1:55:35.520 --> 1:55:37.840 very strong and negative reaction from the people around them, 1:55:37.880 --> 1:55:41.720 some of whom were hitting them or at least shoving them. 1:55:41.800 --> 1:55:43.480 I think it kind of you could look at the 1:55:43.560 --> 1:55:46.360 video and use either term. They were definitely like moving, 1:55:46.440 --> 1:55:50.520 like pushing, They were definitely aggressively making contact with them. 1:55:50.400 --> 1:55:52.840 With these like big wooden signs that people have not. 1:55:52.760 --> 1:55:56.360 These thank you Joe signs, and then set up a 1:55:56.520 --> 1:55:59.680 chant of thank you Joe to kind of like drown 1:55:59.720 --> 1:56:03.040 them out out as the people filming in the venue 1:56:03.640 --> 1:56:06.240 like cut the lights, basically down the lights in that 1:56:06.320 --> 1:56:08.240 area so that it would it would be less visible. 1:56:08.240 --> 1:56:11.200 Eventually they got the banner away from them, but it 1:56:11.280 --> 1:56:13.600 was one of those like it shows you kind of 1:56:13.640 --> 1:56:16.160 the hollowness of there's enough of a need that even 1:56:16.200 --> 1:56:19.600 Biden had to make a positive reference to the protesters. 1:56:19.600 --> 1:56:21.920 They see it as enough of a potential threat to 1:56:22.520 --> 1:56:24.600 you know, being able to get the votes they need 1:56:25.000 --> 1:56:29.040 that they they have to signpost to it. But a banner, 1:56:29.120 --> 1:56:32.120 and this is not a radical banner. Stop arming Israel 1:56:32.240 --> 1:56:33.760 is not a radical stance down. 1:56:33.760 --> 1:56:36.080 It's not calling an end to the state of events. 1:56:36.320 --> 1:56:40.280 It wasn't an Intifada revolution banner, right right. It was 1:56:40.320 --> 1:56:45.520 a literally just stop sending guns and stopped doing this 1:56:45.840 --> 1:56:48.720 to Israel that's being used to bomb them and people. 1:56:48.800 --> 1:56:51.720 People were angry enough that I don't want to overstate 1:56:51.720 --> 1:56:53.240 the level of physical violence, but I don't want to 1:56:53.280 --> 1:56:56.040 understate it. They were physically aggressive over this, like to 1:56:56.360 --> 1:56:59.360 and and had this small group of people surrounded and 1:56:59.440 --> 1:57:03.320 seeing that that is a reminder that I am not 1:57:03.760 --> 1:57:05.959 in line with the people on the left who repeatedly 1:57:05.960 --> 1:57:08.720 call the DIMS fascist, because fascism means something, it's a 1:57:08.720 --> 1:57:12.320 real political Democrats have plenty of authoritarians, and that's that's 1:57:12.320 --> 1:57:15.520 what that is. Is that is authoritarian thinking, and it 1:57:15.640 --> 1:57:19.520 can and will, if not checked, lead to a lot 1:57:19.880 --> 1:57:22.040 uglier shift than what we saw last night. So I 1:57:22.880 --> 1:57:25.800 did not like seeing that. It is a reminder that 1:57:25.920 --> 1:57:29.280 even as nice as the vibe shift has been, and 1:57:28.680 --> 1:57:32.080 I'm I'm not going to try to take enjoyment from 1:57:32.080 --> 1:57:34.600 that away from people, we are still in a real 1:57:34.680 --> 1:57:40.400 pickle as a country. Ari are acceptance of authoritarian aims 1:57:40.520 --> 1:57:41.840 and tactics. 1:57:41.480 --> 1:57:44.560 And especially you know, sending twenty billion dollars in BOSS. 1:57:44.440 --> 1:57:46.760 And sending twenty billion dollars in BOP. Just send the tape, 1:57:47.400 --> 1:57:50.360 take all the Israel weapons and send them to the Ukrainians. 1:57:51.160 --> 1:57:52.280 That's that's my stance. 1:57:52.360 --> 1:57:53.960 I'm sure Rudy Giuliani will love that. 1:57:54.080 --> 1:57:57.160 Yeah, so yeah, I mean you said that the crowd 1:57:57.160 --> 1:57:58.840 had a big reaction to some of the Palestine stuff, 1:57:58.840 --> 1:58:01.800 and at least from inside the convention certainly calls for 1:58:01.840 --> 1:58:03.560 ceasefire did that. 1:58:03.400 --> 1:58:04.120 That was big. 1:58:04.400 --> 1:58:07.600 When Biden made his little comment acknowledging the protests, the 1:58:07.600 --> 1:58:11.160 whole room kind of went silent, like everyone was kind 1:58:11.200 --> 1:58:14.600 of surprised. Like it was, it was like a chill 1:58:14.680 --> 1:58:16.680 went over the air, like no one knew how to 1:58:16.720 --> 1:58:19.720 take it. There. There wasn't like massive cheers, there wasn't 1:58:19.800 --> 1:58:22.800 booze either, but like it was because like arguably Biden 1:58:22.840 --> 1:58:25.680 gave a more positive comment referring to the protests than 1:58:25.720 --> 1:58:28.400 most of like the regular like delegates and attendees. Most 1:58:28.400 --> 1:58:30.200 of the attendees we were standing around in the waiting 1:58:30.200 --> 1:58:33.360 line were much more like negative and dismissive. And I 1:58:33.360 --> 1:58:35.120 think I think Biden's comment kind of like took the 1:58:35.120 --> 1:58:38.800 wind out of the air, at least inside the convention arena. 1:58:38.880 --> 1:58:41.080 But that was basically the end of it. He gave, 1:58:41.120 --> 1:58:45.600 you know, closing closing remarks. Kamala went onto stage, they hugged, 1:58:45.600 --> 1:58:48.480 they did their little thing, and then me and Sophie 1:58:48.880 --> 1:58:51.800 went out of the convention as fast as we could 1:58:52.040 --> 1:58:54.960 and we found this little corridor exit because we didn't 1:58:54.960 --> 1:58:56.400 want to mess with like the like with like the 1:58:56.520 --> 1:58:58.880 escalators or the elevators, because that's always a nightmare. So 1:58:58.960 --> 1:59:01.520 we found this nice little state case and I turned 1:59:01.520 --> 1:59:03.600 to the left walking down the stairs, and I saw 1:59:03.680 --> 1:59:07.880 two very large men in writing gear with two assault weapons, 1:59:08.000 --> 1:59:10.200 and I said, I guess we're not going that way. 1:59:10.840 --> 1:59:13.000 Then I turned around and walk the other direction. 1:59:14.080 --> 1:59:16.080 Honestly, funniest moment of the day. 1:59:17.560 --> 1:59:21.520 Were like ten feet away from these guys away some 1:59:21.600 --> 1:59:23.840 of the giants, some of the most heavily armed men 1:59:23.880 --> 1:59:26.800 I've ever seen. I think we stumbled across because I 1:59:27.200 --> 1:59:29.080 looked at that signs later, I think with someone across 1:59:29.280 --> 1:59:33.520 the security gate for the presidential motor case. So that's 1:59:33.720 --> 1:59:35.840 that's where we almost accidentally went. 1:59:36.880 --> 1:59:39.800 Yeah. No, those are guys who have spent every year 1:59:39.920 --> 1:59:42.120 of the last twenty years of their lives just planning 1:59:42.200 --> 1:59:44.840 to kill as many people as they care. The second 1:59:44.920 --> 1:59:47.160 someone takes them off the leak, they would shoot a 1:59:47.160 --> 1:59:49.280 twink on site. They not care, They don't give you, 1:59:49.400 --> 1:59:51.360 they don't give a fuck who they shoot the instant 1:59:51.400 --> 1:59:52.160 they have a chance. 1:59:52.400 --> 1:59:54.040 So me and so Be left as soon as we 1:59:54.080 --> 1:59:56.400 could and went back to the hotel and immediately went 1:59:56.440 --> 1:59:56.800 to sleep. 1:59:57.440 --> 1:59:59.920 And that was the first night at the DNC. 2:00:00.240 --> 2:00:03.640 Drinks with me Garison, I did not. We shared a 2:00:03.680 --> 2:00:04.400 special moment. 2:00:04.440 --> 2:00:06.440 I'm trying to create a compelling narrative of the podcast. 2:00:06.680 --> 2:00:08.440 Well, I thought it was compelling narrative that we had 2:00:08.440 --> 2:00:09.240 a nice drenth It. 2:00:09.320 --> 2:00:11.840 Was I said hi to you and then I went 2:00:12.360 --> 2:00:13.000 okay bye. 2:00:13.160 --> 2:00:14.960 Yeah, I wasn't interested in you because you left. 2:00:15.120 --> 2:00:15.280 Yeah. 2:00:15.400 --> 2:00:18.320 Sorry, I abandoned you. I'm so sorry. 2:00:18.320 --> 2:00:20.200 But that anyway, that was the first night at the 2:00:20.240 --> 2:00:23.320 dn Z. That was the first round of speeches. I 2:00:23.360 --> 2:00:25.360 believe tonight we're gon't split up. Somebody's going to go 2:00:25.720 --> 2:00:27.680 and then go over there, and me and Robert are 2:00:27.760 --> 2:00:28.800 going to be back in the streets. 2:00:28.960 --> 2:00:29.880 Yeah. 2:00:29.440 --> 2:00:33.640 I will report if anything of interest happens. It is 2:00:33.760 --> 2:00:38.600 the I believe Bill Clinton Obama Night. Jesus Chris, it's 2:00:38.920 --> 2:00:41.400 once again. The year is twenty twenty four. Is the 2:00:41.480 --> 2:00:43.560 Bill Clinton Obama Night. 2:00:43.640 --> 2:00:45.560 It would be pretty funny if Bill Clinton got played 2:00:45.600 --> 2:00:47.360 on the stage by bad Leroy Brown. 2:00:48.320 --> 2:00:52.440 All right, this is it happen? Think it happened year 2:00:52.480 --> 2:00:53.960 recording from Chicago, Illinois. 2:00:54.400 --> 2:00:57.240 We'll see I did wuldn't walk all right, Jesus. 2:00:56.840 --> 2:00:57.320 Fuck. 2:01:18.680 --> 2:01:23.040 Kamala Harris and Tim Walls Little John didn't mention anything 2:01:23.080 --> 2:01:25.120 about sweat dripping off his balls. 2:01:25.120 --> 2:01:28.440 He sure did not. And that's the greatest act of 2:01:28.480 --> 2:01:31.920 you know, amongst all of the genocide denial, it takes 2:01:31.960 --> 2:01:34.960 a lot of cowardice to really stand up in this crowd. 2:01:35.040 --> 2:01:38.240 But Little John refusing to talk about sweat dripping down 2:01:38.280 --> 2:01:41.400 his balls in the middle of the DNC was a 2:01:41.400 --> 2:01:42.440 horrible mistake here. 2:01:42.560 --> 2:01:44.480 I'm sorry. I didn't know he was going to start 2:01:44.520 --> 2:01:44.920 that way. 2:01:45.160 --> 2:01:47.040 I knew I was going to start that way. I 2:01:47.040 --> 2:01:50.640 think it was o pain. Garrison, do you know the 2:01:50.680 --> 2:01:51.840 song we're talking about? 2:01:53.480 --> 2:01:55.080 Welcome to what happened here? 2:01:55.240 --> 2:01:59.240 I'm Garrison Davis Lloyd with my bosses, Sophie Lichtman and 2:01:59.320 --> 2:02:00.000 Robert Evans. 2:02:00.320 --> 2:02:05.280 Very old, very old. Remember when Lil John was slightly 2:02:05.360 --> 2:02:08.640 not He was never really that transgressive. Little John's always 2:02:08.680 --> 2:02:10.040 been pretty family friendly. 2:02:10.120 --> 2:02:13.760 I guess somebody somebody replied to the video I posted 2:02:13.880 --> 2:02:17.600 of Little John saying maybe the best lil And you know. 2:02:18.240 --> 2:02:21.360 Ah, there's I have a soft spot in my heart 2:02:21.400 --> 2:02:24.080 for Lil Wayne, not that he was good, but because 2:02:24.080 --> 2:02:28.720 he's really funny, Like missus Officer, that's that's a fun song. 2:02:28.920 --> 2:02:31.680 That's a fun story about Way pretending he had sex 2:02:31.720 --> 2:02:32.600 with a police officer. 2:02:32.960 --> 2:02:36.920 The Democratic National Convention continues inside Chicago, Illinois. 2:02:37.360 --> 2:02:40.040 Lil Wayne not yet present, but maybe to night. People 2:02:40.040 --> 2:02:41.440 say Swift might show up soon. 2:02:42.320 --> 2:02:45.160 Well, she she had a couple shows and she could 2:02:45.160 --> 2:02:48.000 potentially get here by tomorrow. 2:02:48.160 --> 2:02:50.600 Okay, that's great, that's great. I was actually talk about 2:02:50.680 --> 2:02:54.160 Jonathan Swift. Oh okay, author of a modest proposal. 2:02:54.200 --> 2:02:57.160 But yeah, but in my heart, I really don't think 2:02:57.200 --> 2:02:57.720 she's coming. 2:02:57.840 --> 2:03:00.320 No, why would she would? What does she gained from that? 2:03:01.160 --> 2:03:02.200 Yeah? 2:03:02.360 --> 2:03:07.000 So Tuesday we spent the day split up, mostly with 2:03:07.040 --> 2:03:10.080 me and Robert going to a protest and Sophie entering 2:03:10.320 --> 2:03:16.280 the United Center to watch the lib Utopia unveil, complete 2:03:16.320 --> 2:03:19.320 with an appearance. So happy Lil John, I believe is 2:03:19.320 --> 2:03:20.520 what he's referred to as. 2:03:21.040 --> 2:03:21.920 That is that is correct? 2:03:22.200 --> 2:03:24.600 Thank you? Yes, just checking my source as someone currently 2:03:24.640 --> 2:03:27.960 wearing a mesh shirt. He is in your line of descendants, 2:03:28.000 --> 2:03:30.040 like this is one of your one of your Saint 2:03:30.080 --> 2:03:32.520 At ancestors. I don't know how I feel about that. 2:03:32.960 --> 2:03:35.560 And we will we will get to the Little John 2:03:35.600 --> 2:03:39.400 antics uh, specifically with the State of Georgia, which made 2:03:39.600 --> 2:03:41.760 quite a show later on in the episode we will 2:03:41.760 --> 2:03:44.480 be talking about that, but first we will be talking 2:03:44.480 --> 2:03:47.400 about what me and Robert spent a good I don't 2:03:47.400 --> 2:03:49.600 know four hours yesterday doing. 2:03:49.840 --> 2:03:51.560 I was out for closer to eight because I went 2:03:51.600 --> 2:03:53.480 out earlier to look at some stuff I went to. 2:03:53.600 --> 2:03:57.600 There was a pro Israel Free the Hostages event that 2:03:57.640 --> 2:04:00.640 I went to and looked around. Briefly, not a whole 2:04:00.640 --> 2:04:03.320 lot to say about it other than some art that 2:04:03.360 --> 2:04:06.080 I don't fully know how to think about yet. They 2:04:06.120 --> 2:04:09.400 had a massive one of the young women that was 2:04:09.440 --> 2:04:12.560 abducted by Hamas that very famously had like blood on 2:04:12.720 --> 2:04:15.320 her gray sweatpants. They had just like a massive, two 2:04:15.360 --> 2:04:20.000 story tall pair of gray sweatpants covered in blood. But 2:04:20.040 --> 2:04:22.520 it wasn't really clear until you got up close what 2:04:22.600 --> 2:04:24.400 it was trying to be, So it was just kind 2:04:24.440 --> 2:04:27.680 of like it was odd, odd visuals for the event, 2:04:27.720 --> 2:04:30.160 I'll say that, but mostly pretty tame. There was maybe 2:04:30.240 --> 2:04:32.880 thirty or forty people there, and that was about two 2:04:33.120 --> 2:04:35.960 three blocks down from the plan side of the protest 2:04:36.000 --> 2:04:38.400 that you and I went to, which was the Acenture Tower, 2:04:38.880 --> 2:04:43.200 which is apparently it's like a mall on the inside 2:04:43.200 --> 2:04:47.480 and a metro station and also several floors mini floors 2:04:47.640 --> 2:04:51.000 of office space. So I'm guessing that the Israeli Consolate 2:04:51.040 --> 2:04:53.080 is a couple of small offices in this big building. 2:04:53.360 --> 2:04:55.720 Yeah, so there was a purchase plan for later this evening. 2:04:56.000 --> 2:04:58.480 As me and Sophie were going to get lunch, I saw. 2:04:58.440 --> 2:05:01.720 Like Sophie and I. 2:05:00.440 --> 2:05:03.520 I saw they both looked at me, deciding who I 2:05:03.640 --> 2:05:05.040 was going to give a dirty look to. 2:05:05.440 --> 2:05:11.440 I know you were the United Kingdom and me correcting 2:05:11.480 --> 2:05:14.760 Garrison's grammar, was the German army marching into Belgium. 2:05:14.880 --> 2:05:18.160 I saw a whole bunch of police vans driving through 2:05:18.200 --> 2:05:22.240 downtown Chicago on the way to the Israeli Consulate. And 2:05:22.800 --> 2:05:25.320 we showed up a few hours later for the for 2:05:25.360 --> 2:05:28.320 the protest planned that evening. Like usual, we tried to 2:05:28.440 --> 2:05:31.560 arrive early and there was a few kind of characters 2:05:32.040 --> 2:05:34.760 bumping around the area that a lot of media was 2:05:34.880 --> 2:05:35.840 just fascinated by. 2:05:36.040 --> 2:05:39.280 Yeah, the start of it was there was the same 2:05:39.360 --> 2:05:41.960 There was had been a Nazi lady out at the 2:05:42.080 --> 2:05:44.480 protest the day before as well. She has like bright 2:05:45.040 --> 2:05:48.720 purplish hair carried and on the first day just a 2:05:48.760 --> 2:05:52.040 cardboard sign covered in racial slurs. Loved shouting the end word. 2:05:52.560 --> 2:05:55.560 Today she had a friend. They unveiled a sign. People 2:05:55.600 --> 2:05:56.400 confronted them. 2:05:56.920 --> 2:05:58.840 It was like it was like a white genocide, white 2:05:58.920 --> 2:06:02.280 like white placement, great replacement type sign with a URL 2:06:02.320 --> 2:06:03.800 to a telegram channel, I believe. 2:06:03.880 --> 2:06:07.560 Yeah, a channel. Yeah, I think she had a friend today, 2:06:08.040 --> 2:06:08.360 someone else. 2:06:09.120 --> 2:06:10.200 It is shocking news. 2:06:10.480 --> 2:06:13.160 Yeah, I mean they usually have at least one, right, maybe, 2:06:13.400 --> 2:06:16.440 and then uh, I mean kind of the at one point, 2:06:16.440 --> 2:06:18.280 sort of while we were all waiting around, because it 2:06:18.320 --> 2:06:21.080 was initially just a shitload of press, uh, some lookie 2:06:21.120 --> 2:06:23.839 loose from the local area, and a bunch of cops, 2:06:24.040 --> 2:06:25.840 a bunch of a bunch of private security, a lot 2:06:25.840 --> 2:06:28.160 of private security, mostly for the media. There's a fun 2:06:28.160 --> 2:06:30.840 game of spot the concealed handgun, because none of these 2:06:30.840 --> 2:06:33.880 guys are very good at concealing their fucking handguns. But 2:06:33.880 --> 2:06:36.280 at one point I'm standing and talking to another media 2:06:36.440 --> 2:06:39.920 and I see this like massive circle of cameras fill 2:06:40.000 --> 2:06:42.360 up around, and so I'm wondering, Okay, maybe something's happened. 2:06:42.400 --> 2:06:44.960 I get over there, and I didn't even think to 2:06:45.080 --> 2:06:49.160 like stop myself from you know, using my outside voice. 2:06:49.200 --> 2:06:51.440 I just shouted as soon as I got close, oh fuck, 2:06:51.480 --> 2:06:56.720 it's the MyPillow guy, which is the least news anything 2:06:56.760 --> 2:06:57.640 could possibly be. 2:06:57.920 --> 2:07:00.879 But for some reason there was like maybe like cameras. 2:07:01.520 --> 2:07:04.040 It's just like huddled around this guy trying to get 2:07:04.080 --> 2:07:05.880 whatever picture or whatever. 2:07:06.160 --> 2:07:09.280 Let him talk. Yeah, a couple of protesters kept engaging 2:07:09.360 --> 2:07:11.760 him about Gaza, which I just don't think that there's 2:07:11.760 --> 2:07:14.320 anything to be gained from engaging the MyPillow guy. With 2:07:14.360 --> 2:07:17.160 the exception of Garrison, the way you chose to engage 2:07:17.160 --> 2:07:18.320 the MyPillow guy. 2:07:18.240 --> 2:07:20.480 I think there's really only one way to handle this, 2:07:20.960 --> 2:07:23.240 and well there's maybe two ways. You can just completely 2:07:23.240 --> 2:07:25.720 ignore him, which is probably probably probably the best. Ask 2:07:25.760 --> 2:07:28.320 what I did, because there's there's no reason to engage 2:07:28.320 --> 2:07:30.400 with this, there's no reason to give him what he wants. 2:07:30.640 --> 2:07:32.840 The other option is just to completely baffle him, just 2:07:32.920 --> 2:07:36.720 be really confusing. So I went up and I I 2:07:37.240 --> 2:07:38.440 didn't even ask a question. 2:07:38.520 --> 2:07:41.280 I just I just said you said Mike first, which 2:07:41.320 --> 2:07:42.879 I left so funny. 2:07:43.120 --> 2:07:44.920 I just let the listeners to know that after a 2:07:44.920 --> 2:07:48.080 fourteen hour day yesterday, I get I get back to 2:07:48.120 --> 2:07:52.720 the hotel. Garrison and Robert have had several drinks in 2:07:52.800 --> 2:07:53.560 Garrison is like. 2:07:53.520 --> 2:07:54.440 Did you see my video? 2:07:54.560 --> 2:07:55.600 Did you see my video? 2:07:56.240 --> 2:07:58.720 And what was that video? 2:07:58.240 --> 2:07:59.960 We'll play the audio here. 2:08:01.240 --> 2:08:09.440 Skimmity Biden, skimmity Biden, skibbity Biden, givity skimmity Biden. So no, 2:08:09.520 --> 2:08:13.720 I was able to get Mike. You know, we're pretty close. 2:08:13.800 --> 2:08:18.320 How you guys talk now, it's around to say skimmity Biden, 2:08:18.360 --> 2:08:20.320 because that's the only way to handle these guys is 2:08:20.440 --> 2:08:23.400 just like just like just really, you're not even like 2:08:23.440 --> 2:08:25.960 annoying them, You're just kind of baffling. 2:08:28.280 --> 2:08:29.839 Because all he wants. 2:08:29.640 --> 2:08:32.240 Is attention, to say, his little piece and trying to 2:08:32.240 --> 2:08:35.360 attract whatever media attention, and you just got to kind 2:08:35.400 --> 2:08:36.120 of fuck with them. 2:08:36.200 --> 2:08:38.480 And it's it's kind of a good sign that he 2:08:38.640 --> 2:08:40.480 did that, because this is not if you think about 2:08:40.520 --> 2:08:43.160 where he was in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, him 2:08:43.200 --> 2:08:47.160 showing up alone, no visible security escort to just kind 2:08:47.200 --> 2:08:51.240 of stand around before a protest and bullshit, is like, 2:08:51.680 --> 2:08:54.920 that's a man whose life has fallen apart, like he 2:08:55.040 --> 2:08:56.000 has nothing. 2:08:55.720 --> 2:08:58.560 Left, no everything he was saying I'm able to hear 2:08:58.640 --> 2:09:01.400 him say at four am on five Yeah, and that's 2:09:01.480 --> 2:09:04.640 that was pretty much the little pre show circus, and 2:09:04.960 --> 2:09:07.720 you know, people started to trickle into the area slowly, 2:09:07.760 --> 2:09:11.200 you know, people in kefeas you know, protesters, medics started 2:09:11.240 --> 2:09:14.280 to slowly, slowly enter enter this little like you know 2:09:14.440 --> 2:09:17.840 block radius, and then very very suddenly, from like the 2:09:17.880 --> 2:09:20.280 opposite side of where everyone else was stationed at, we 2:09:20.280 --> 2:09:22.840 saw a group of maybe like fifty march in all 2:09:22.880 --> 2:09:25.400 at the same time. Yeah, and this was kind of 2:09:25.440 --> 2:09:28.400 the start of the of the main of the main protests. 2:09:28.400 --> 2:09:29.880 And I would say at that point there were maybe 2:09:29.880 --> 2:09:33.360 fifty protesters scattered around within the clumps of media, most 2:09:33.400 --> 2:09:35.640 of whom ran over and joined that group. So it 2:09:35.720 --> 2:09:37.680 was probably around one hundred or so, maybe maybe as 2:09:37.680 --> 2:09:39.120 many as one hundred and fifty. 2:09:38.840 --> 2:09:41.680 And it probably grew to about like two hundred over 2:09:41.720 --> 2:09:44.000 the course of the next few hours, although they started 2:09:44.000 --> 2:09:46.720 to kind of bleed numbers as well. And I was 2:09:46.800 --> 2:09:50.000 I was taking notes on my little personal recorder during 2:09:50.000 --> 2:09:52.040 this time, and we put together a little kind of 2:09:52.040 --> 2:09:55.560 compilation to hear about what went down, and I'll probably 2:09:55.640 --> 2:09:58.160 cut in with some extra narration to kind of fill 2:09:58.200 --> 2:10:00.760 in the gaps, so to clarify. The audio you're about 2:10:00.760 --> 2:10:02.560 to hear was recorded over the course of like two 2:10:02.560 --> 2:10:05.200 and a half hours. We've cut this down for efficiency 2:10:05.240 --> 2:10:08.080 and clarity. So some of the sections you're about to hear, 2:10:08.280 --> 2:10:10.400 you know, may have happened a minute or two apart, 2:10:10.640 --> 2:10:12.960 but they're just could be mushed together to kind of 2:10:13.280 --> 2:10:15.680 help the action move along a little bit faster, not 2:10:15.800 --> 2:10:17.880 including you know, the sections of the protest where there's 2:10:17.880 --> 2:10:20.760 ten minutes of nothing happening. Here's a first time look 2:10:21.040 --> 2:10:24.440 at what happened during the protest at the Israeli Consulate. 2:10:24.960 --> 2:10:27.120 Moving back, all right, it's just from the it's just 2:10:27.160 --> 2:10:31.280 past seven. The behind enemy lines Israeli Consulate protest basically 2:10:31.360 --> 2:10:33.640 just started. A whole bunch of people in some form 2:10:33.680 --> 2:10:35.839 of block showed up in front of the building, started 2:10:36.040 --> 2:10:37.160 marching up the street. 2:10:37.240 --> 2:10:37.839 Very quickly. 2:10:38.720 --> 2:10:41.680 A three or four five layered line of Chicago PD 2:10:41.840 --> 2:10:44.960 came to block Clinton Street, so the march could not 2:10:45.000 --> 2:10:48.280 advance there now retreating back towards the building, and they 2:10:48.360 --> 2:10:50.400 might try to march the other direction. I'm going to 2:10:50.440 --> 2:10:53.680 be on the move here, trying to take notes as 2:10:53.720 --> 2:10:57.520 this progresses. A central tower is kind of a tricky 2:10:57.560 --> 2:11:00.680 spot for this sort of protest, Although it does house 2:11:00.760 --> 2:11:04.720 the Israeli Consulate. From the outside, there's no obvious indicators 2:11:04.720 --> 2:11:07.480 that this building is linked to the Israeli government, and 2:11:07.560 --> 2:11:10.360 it's about two miles away from the DNC, so this 2:11:10.440 --> 2:11:13.720 can be very little impact on DNC attendees. All the 2:11:13.720 --> 2:11:18.879 way over here in the West Loop area of Chicago, Chicago, 2:11:18.880 --> 2:11:23.040 ped is set up across the other street as well, 2:11:23.240 --> 2:11:29.720 blocking both ways in essentially kettling this entire protest. There's 2:11:29.760 --> 2:11:34.040 a loud speaker, people are talking in front of the building. 2:11:34.160 --> 2:11:37.200 The purple haired wig lady from before has moved her 2:11:37.320 --> 2:11:42.000 Nazi banner closer to this core of protesters right in 2:11:42.000 --> 2:11:45.120 front of the entrance of the building housing the Israeli consulate. 2:11:45.920 --> 2:11:47.720 All right, some of the protesters just announced that they 2:11:47.720 --> 2:11:49.600 have a couple of speakers that are going to talk 2:11:49.640 --> 2:11:52.120 in front of the Israeli Constant building. As people are 2:11:52.120 --> 2:11:54.840 now sandwiched in between two streets right in front of 2:11:54.880 --> 2:11:58.680 the entrance. Speeches discussed the genocide in Gaza and the 2:11:58.760 --> 2:12:01.400 US arm steels sending weapons and bombs to Israel as 2:12:01.480 --> 2:12:05.000 part of continuing US imperialism. As the speech is carried on, 2:12:05.360 --> 2:12:07.200 more and more police began to arrive. 2:12:08.360 --> 2:12:09.880 All right, it is seven. 2:12:11.440 --> 2:12:15.040 About nine or so white vans just showed up with 2:12:15.080 --> 2:12:19.360 tons of chicaga pad in ryagear, helmets, gas masks, now 2:12:19.440 --> 2:12:22.120 thicker sleeves, not just the blue button ups that the 2:12:22.120 --> 2:12:26.560 regular cops wear. All right, we're gonna run into a 2:12:26.600 --> 2:12:31.760 line of police. People have banners, bring the war home, 2:12:33.040 --> 2:12:35.080 shut down the DNC for Gaza. 2:12:36.240 --> 2:12:37.240 Palestine flags. 2:12:38.520 --> 2:12:43.440 As they are marching towards a massive line of riot cops. 2:12:44.320 --> 2:12:48.400 There's too much media in the way, see and a 2:12:48.480 --> 2:12:56.920 clash has started. Pushing up against lines. Police pulling apart 2:12:57.200 --> 2:13:01.560 the signs and banners. Sounds familiar, I bet to anyone 2:13:01.560 --> 2:13:06.080 who was at twenty twenty. The first clash lasted about 2:13:06.080 --> 2:13:08.480 a minute, as protesters tried to march forwards into the 2:13:08.520 --> 2:13:11.720 street and police pushed them back. I was off to 2:13:11.760 --> 2:13:14.880 the side, but the sheer amount of cameras and media 2:13:14.920 --> 2:13:18.200 in the middle of this scuffle prevented either side from 2:13:18.240 --> 2:13:22.720 gaining or losing much ground. All right, there was kind 2:13:22.760 --> 2:13:24.720 of a little bit of a back and forth. The 2:13:24.760 --> 2:13:28.840 protest line got pushed back slightly, but still in the 2:13:28.840 --> 2:13:34.720 middle of the Clinton Street, protesters telling the press to 2:13:34.800 --> 2:13:38.240 get out of the way, as many press are in between. 2:13:39.640 --> 2:13:42.920 As press moved slowly out of the way, police were 2:13:42.960 --> 2:13:51.720 able to successfully push the protest back Chicago pedis from 2:13:51.800 --> 2:13:56.160 redirecting some of their push towards the south. Now looks 2:13:56.160 --> 2:13:57.840 like some of the protesters were trying to move onto 2:13:57.880 --> 2:14:01.480 the sidewalk to get out of this mass, massive sandwich 2:14:01.520 --> 2:14:05.160 of police, and there's maybe three or four cops trying 2:14:05.160 --> 2:14:07.600 to prevent them from moving on the sidewalk. Here we'll 2:14:07.600 --> 2:14:10.840 see if they get past. Police have tackled some people. 2:14:12.680 --> 2:14:13.560 Police are going in for. 2:14:13.520 --> 2:14:14.280 A lot of arrests. 2:14:14.280 --> 2:14:15.240 It's very combative. 2:14:16.240 --> 2:14:19.680 Police with batons out, attacking people, hitting on the ground, 2:14:19.720 --> 2:14:24.200 tackling them. Police preventing all forwards movement on the sidewalk 2:14:24.240 --> 2:14:35.000 as well, not just the street. People are people are 2:14:35.000 --> 2:14:37.080 trying to get out and police a police are really 2:14:37.120 --> 2:14:44.240 trying to trap them. 2:14:44.320 --> 2:14:49.440 Police are squishing. We can't, we can't move dude, we 2:14:49.480 --> 2:14:50.160 can't move back. 2:14:52.040 --> 2:14:54.320 No lassoom, we can't, we can't move back. 2:14:57.440 --> 2:15:00.240 Police are telling people to move back into nothing. Wow, 2:15:00.320 --> 2:15:02.040 they have us trapped by this building. 2:15:04.560 --> 2:15:07.760 Eventually, police realize that they cannot push all fifty people 2:15:07.800 --> 2:15:11.520 into a flat wall and eased off, directing people back 2:15:11.560 --> 2:15:15.200 in front of the consulate. Police is pushing us into 2:15:15.200 --> 2:15:18.480 a very tiny corner a small line of police is 2:15:18.520 --> 2:15:21.880 separating two crowds, mostly on the sidewalk. 2:15:23.880 --> 2:15:26.080 All right, they're pushing us back towards the building. 2:15:27.520 --> 2:15:30.520 Action now paused for a few minutes as both sides 2:15:30.560 --> 2:15:34.160 figured out their next move. Protesters chanted for the release 2:15:34.200 --> 2:15:35.560 of detained comrades. 2:15:37.240 --> 2:15:39.680 Let them go, let them. 2:15:39.360 --> 2:15:43.560 Go, all right. 2:15:43.560 --> 2:15:45.480 Some of the crowd is trying to regroup, as police 2:15:45.520 --> 2:15:48.920 today to push people off of the sidewalk and back 2:15:48.960 --> 2:15:52.840 into the street. I guess the crowd has kind of 2:15:53.040 --> 2:15:58.280 been split now into four sections, police keeping them separate, 2:15:58.360 --> 2:16:03.440 not letting them reconvene. It's the section in front of 2:16:03.480 --> 2:16:06.600 the building, There's a section on the corner, this section 2:16:06.760 --> 2:16:10.040 behind the police line, and there's a section close to 2:16:10.880 --> 2:16:13.080 where people tried to march that it's now been cut 2:16:13.080 --> 2:16:15.240 off from the rest of the crowd, So we have 2:16:15.280 --> 2:16:20.360 these kind of four groups. A smaller group is reforming 2:16:20.400 --> 2:16:22.320 in the street in front of the building. This is 2:16:22.360 --> 2:16:24.760 kind of the section that got trapped by the building 2:16:24.800 --> 2:16:27.760 as the rest of the march tried to move forward, 2:16:29.000 --> 2:16:32.560 and some of the people from the side have linked 2:16:32.640 --> 2:16:35.400 up with them as well, but still mostly kind of 2:16:35.520 --> 2:16:39.160 four sections separated up by police. 2:16:39.800 --> 2:16:41.480 People chanting to get back in the street. 2:16:42.080 --> 2:16:45.520 We have little squads or AG's linking up with their 2:16:45.560 --> 2:16:49.160 mates again, linking arms, holding hands, kind of regrouping. Right now, 2:16:49.400 --> 2:16:51.200 Chicago p D is kind of doing the same. They're 2:16:51.200 --> 2:16:53.840 reforming their line, going back more into the middle of 2:16:53.879 --> 2:16:58.440 the street. If they did get any detainments or arrests, 2:16:58.440 --> 2:17:00.080 probably sorting those out right now. 2:17:00.280 --> 2:17:01.720 As they decide what to do next. 2:17:02.920 --> 2:17:05.080 During this loll period, I was able to hear a 2:17:05.120 --> 2:17:08.080 decent amount of police comms chatter coming from their walkie 2:17:08.120 --> 2:17:10.320 talkies as the police decided on. 2:17:10.240 --> 2:17:11.119 Their next move. 2:17:11.760 --> 2:17:13.480 All right, I just heard on police comms that they're 2:17:13.480 --> 2:17:18.600 gonna be asking for media to leave. Interesting, they are 2:17:18.600 --> 2:17:21.959 calling for transport vands, So if they're going to start 2:17:21.959 --> 2:17:24.760 doing arrests, they might try to get media to leave 2:17:24.800 --> 2:17:32.800 first then really move in. It sounds like to me 2:17:32.920 --> 2:17:37.000 on the comms they're calling out specific people to do 2:17:37.040 --> 2:17:40.800 targeted arrests. On the comms, they're calling out specific outfits, 2:17:41.120 --> 2:17:43.840 specific what people are wearing, what people are holding, to 2:17:43.920 --> 2:17:45.680 move in and do targeted arrests on the crowd. 2:17:46.560 --> 2:17:48.599 Some of the descriptions are very general. 2:17:48.520 --> 2:17:53.080 Like black hoodie, red hat, that kind of stuff. I 2:17:53.200 --> 2:17:55.240 really did not want to get a face full of mace, 2:17:55.400 --> 2:17:57.800 So as soon as I saw police carrying mace cans, 2:17:58.160 --> 2:18:01.640 I perhaps a bit prematurely decided to don my full 2:18:01.680 --> 2:18:04.600 face gas mask, which I then took off like ten 2:18:04.640 --> 2:18:07.200 minutes later as it became clear that we weren't in 2:18:07.320 --> 2:18:11.120 immediate danger of amazing, Well, I don't think I'm gonna 2:18:11.160 --> 2:18:16.480 see a Barack Obama today. There's been enough of a 2:18:16.600 --> 2:18:20.800 pause that the anticipation keeps growing. Does everyone knows what's 2:18:20.840 --> 2:18:23.600 about to happen? We're just waiting for it to happen, 2:18:24.760 --> 2:18:27.080 all right. The file Time protesters that are fund of 2:18:27.120 --> 2:18:31.160 the building are not moving towards the Israeli counter protesters 2:18:31.560 --> 2:18:36.199 on the other side. As things started to heap back up, 2:18:36.400 --> 2:18:38.840 some folks in the crowd opted to exit the area 2:18:39.000 --> 2:18:42.000 via a small EVAC route on the northwest corner of 2:18:42.040 --> 2:18:45.040 the street. Considering the talk of targeted arrests on the 2:18:45.080 --> 2:18:48.000 police scanner, police may have been eyeing up certain people 2:18:48.040 --> 2:18:50.199 in the crowd who then got the hint about what's 2:18:50.240 --> 2:18:52.720 about to go down next. 2:18:53.200 --> 2:18:56.360 You see that blocked the just bounce? 2:18:56.520 --> 2:18:59.880 Yeah, no, I think they can spot that they were 2:18:59.879 --> 2:19:03.879 about to get targeted for arrests. I think so because 2:19:03.920 --> 2:19:06.000 they were being followed up by some of some of 2:19:06.000 --> 2:19:07.320 the sergeants, because. 2:19:07.160 --> 2:19:09.280 I honestly I can't name any law breaking other than 2:19:09.520 --> 2:19:11.959 quote unquote shoving with the paw. Sure, but I mean, 2:19:12.040 --> 2:19:13.680 you know they can get you on something. 2:19:15.000 --> 2:19:17.680 The protest did not stay still for too long, and 2:19:17.800 --> 2:19:21.080 a little less than an hour since the last big confrontation, 2:19:21.560 --> 2:19:23.480 the crowd once again attempted to march. 2:19:24.040 --> 2:19:26.560 All right, it is nearly eight twenty. 2:19:27.200 --> 2:19:29.279 The crowd that remained in front of these early constant 2:19:29.280 --> 2:19:32.640 building is now moving up again towards Clinton Street to 2:19:32.760 --> 2:19:37.800 re engage the confrontation that happened nearly an hour ago. Look, 2:19:37.840 --> 2:19:43.080 there's less cameras in between the two factions, but not 2:19:43.160 --> 2:19:47.840 no cameras. The crowd of protesters is still approaching, and 2:19:47.879 --> 2:19:48.640 they're turning. 2:19:48.800 --> 2:19:51.520 They are turning. They turned down Clinton Street. 2:19:52.200 --> 2:19:55.360 This is the movement they tried to make before, but 2:19:55.400 --> 2:19:56.640 police prevented them from doing so. 2:19:57.480 --> 2:20:00.000 And now they're so far able to exit. 2:20:01.240 --> 2:20:03.760 The section of the protest that was still facing down 2:20:03.800 --> 2:20:06.400 the riot line split up into two smaller groups and 2:20:06.440 --> 2:20:09.760 then made this same movement down the sidewalk away from 2:20:09.840 --> 2:20:14.840 the police. The people that were traveling down the sidewalk 2:20:14.840 --> 2:20:19.199 and Clinton have now reformed on Moreau Street. 2:20:20.800 --> 2:20:22.240 And they are now marching. 2:20:24.440 --> 2:20:28.200 The police are now caught behind the protesters in the march, 2:20:29.120 --> 2:20:33.119 but sure enough police quickly arrived to contain the mobile protest. 2:20:34.160 --> 2:20:36.480 All right, bike cops have beat most of the crowd 2:20:36.520 --> 2:20:40.640 to the intersection, but they're still slowly arriving. The intersection 2:20:40.760 --> 2:20:43.720 up here is a T shape, so only two directions 2:20:43.760 --> 2:20:47.320 to go. Please are gonna try to get them to 2:20:47.360 --> 2:20:47.840 take a rite? 2:20:47.920 --> 2:20:48.480 It looks like. 2:20:50.080 --> 2:20:54.400 Yep, all right, more please catch it up. 2:20:54.680 --> 2:20:55.560 I was triakon here. 2:20:55.800 --> 2:21:01.280 Bike cops coming in from both sides. Oh, this is 2:21:01.360 --> 2:21:06.680 quite the pickle. Unfortunately, because of the T shape of 2:21:06.720 --> 2:21:08.720 this intersection, this is now a little bit of a 2:21:08.760 --> 2:21:12.440 tighter pinch. They can still get out and be a 2:21:12.440 --> 2:21:15.480 one path on the sidewalk, but they might prefer a 2:21:15.520 --> 2:21:18.039 confrontation with some of these police. 2:21:18.040 --> 2:21:18.520 We'll see. 2:21:18.920 --> 2:21:21.840 The march paused at this T shaped intersection for a 2:21:21.840 --> 2:21:25.840 few minutes as they decided their next move. All right, 2:21:25.959 --> 2:21:29.120 the crowd is standing in front of this very thin 2:21:29.320 --> 2:21:32.680 lineup bike comps. The police line's not very thick because 2:21:32.680 --> 2:21:35.800 they had to move kind of impromptu to adjust to 2:21:35.879 --> 2:21:40.959 the movements of the crowd. Small groups of the protests 2:21:41.040 --> 2:21:47.440 keep peeling off. They're slowly bleeding numbers. People chanting let 2:21:47.520 --> 2:21:51.840 us through as the police yelled to move back. Police 2:21:51.879 --> 2:21:54.720 have the remaining crowd in a pretty tight squeeze the moment. 2:21:57.040 --> 2:22:00.440 Smaller groups keep peeling off, but now the remaining march 2:22:00.640 --> 2:22:05.000 is moving forward as the bike cops slowly back up. 2:22:05.800 --> 2:22:08.040 Looks like most of the crowd has been moving onto 2:22:08.080 --> 2:22:12.880 the sidewalk to move down the street. They don't really 2:22:12.879 --> 2:22:16.360 have many more moves to make. There's just a saturation 2:22:16.440 --> 2:22:19.960 of police in this area that the cops can adapt 2:22:20.000 --> 2:22:27.480 to any movement this shrinking crowd makes. Police are piling 2:22:27.480 --> 2:22:31.640 into the sidewalk. Police are making arrests. Please are doing 2:22:31.640 --> 2:22:39.720 target arrests. They're grabbing people on the sidewalk. Numbers of 2:22:39.800 --> 2:22:43.440 arrests are being made. There's at least at least five 2:22:43.560 --> 2:22:47.640 from where I'm standing. Police ordering media out of the 2:22:47.680 --> 2:22:56.640 way on the side. On the side, protesters are now 2:22:56.720 --> 2:23:00.040 moving back on the sidewalk, backtracking. 2:22:59.480 --> 2:23:00.520 Away from the police. 2:23:01.440 --> 2:23:04.039 The remaining crowd attempted to move away from the police 2:23:04.040 --> 2:23:06.680 who were making arrests on the sidewalk but the only 2:23:06.680 --> 2:23:09.240 way left to move was back where they just came from. 2:23:09.600 --> 2:23:11.599 People are linking up with their AG's. 2:23:12.760 --> 2:23:17.640 Arm in arm, trying to move through this very, very 2:23:18.080 --> 2:23:21.600 tricky environment. Right now, there's so everywhere we go, I 2:23:21.640 --> 2:23:27.959 see a new a new battalion of cops. People really 2:23:28.000 --> 2:23:30.039 just have nowhere to go. There's just police everywhere. We're 2:23:30.080 --> 2:23:33.000 just at this point moving in circles, but not like 2:23:33.000 --> 2:23:36.000 the regular march circles, just on the sidewalk, going back 2:23:36.040 --> 2:23:38.000 and forth, backtracking, looping around. 2:23:40.160 --> 2:23:42.360 They're trying to find somewhere just to get out of 2:23:42.360 --> 2:23:43.200 this area. 2:23:43.440 --> 2:23:46.520 Mostly out of options on where to go. The protest 2:23:46.720 --> 2:23:49.800 entered a small patio terrace on the corner of the street. 2:23:50.520 --> 2:23:53.520 Protesters are now getting into the terrace of this building 2:23:53.560 --> 2:23:56.879 at five point twenty five West Monroe. 2:23:57.080 --> 2:24:02.720 That's probably not gonna end great. At this point. 2:24:03.240 --> 2:24:09.600 Police have the remaining much smaller crowd maybe fifty, squeezed 2:24:09.640 --> 2:24:14.600 in in this little building terrace corner. They are not 2:24:14.879 --> 2:24:20.800 letting any protesters leave. A shoving match just started. Police 2:24:20.840 --> 2:24:25.119 are moving in and they're tackling, pushing people on the ground. 2:24:25.720 --> 2:24:28.200 It's almost nine pm. 2:24:28.720 --> 2:24:31.680 Police have one arrest. Now they just drig someone out by. 2:24:31.560 --> 2:24:34.840 Their hair from the crowd that is currently just completely kettled. 2:24:34.920 --> 2:24:37.440 For the first time tonight, they're providing no evacuation ruts 2:24:37.440 --> 2:24:41.359 for protesters. They are trapped on this street corner, completely surrounded, 2:24:41.840 --> 2:24:48.320 not letting anyone leave. Eventually, a small hole opened up, 2:24:48.400 --> 2:24:52.040 letting a few protesters leave this kettled patio. Robert was 2:24:52.080 --> 2:24:55.360 able to exit with this group, but many people were 2:24:55.400 --> 2:24:58.080 not able to make it through, and this little patio 2:24:58.240 --> 2:25:00.640 was where a number of arrests were able to take 2:25:00.680 --> 2:25:04.520 place as others slowly dispersed throughout the West Loop neighborhood 2:25:04.800 --> 2:25:10.240 of Chicago. According to NBC, the police superintendent Larry Sneeling, 2:25:10.600 --> 2:25:12.960 which is kind of a great name for a cop, 2:25:13.120 --> 2:25:16.800 praised his officers for a quote unquote, showing restraint when 2:25:16.800 --> 2:25:19.680 no one else did, saying that they quote did an 2:25:19.760 --> 2:25:23.840 excellent job responding to violence and vandalism. He made a 2:25:23.840 --> 2:25:27.120 similar comment on Wednesday, saying that the protest quote showed 2:25:27.200 --> 2:25:29.960 up with the intention of committing acts of violence and 2:25:30.040 --> 2:25:35.680 vandalism unquote. Now, there was no vandalism that was actually 2:25:35.760 --> 2:25:37.080 committed during this protest. 2:25:37.160 --> 2:25:38.039 That did not happen. 2:25:38.120 --> 2:25:42.080 I'm not sure how the superintendent was able to infer 2:25:42.200 --> 2:25:46.280 the intention of this protest exactly as no vandalism took 2:25:46.320 --> 2:25:49.000 place and the only violence that happened was when police 2:25:49.040 --> 2:25:52.160 started pushing people who were trying to march forwards in 2:25:52.200 --> 2:25:52.720 the street. 2:25:53.480 --> 2:25:56.119 Wow, Garrison, that was a gripping story that we're going 2:25:56.160 --> 2:25:57.160 to talk about. 2:25:57.400 --> 2:26:02.359 After these services, services, products, okay, products and services. 2:26:02.480 --> 2:26:13.640 Yeah, well, maybe we can't know. It's impossible to say 2:26:14.400 --> 2:26:17.959 we're back, so I don't know. I guess we should 2:26:18.000 --> 2:26:20.160 probably just kind of give some final thoughts on how 2:26:20.200 --> 2:26:24.720 we felt about this protest. My overwhelming impression, and I 2:26:24.760 --> 2:26:26.440 really am not saying this to try to be mean, 2:26:26.560 --> 2:26:30.720 is that the crowd came with a lot of rhetoric 2:26:30.879 --> 2:26:35.199 about this is the protest that matters, We are going 2:26:35.240 --> 2:26:38.160 to shut down the DNC, we are going to throw 2:26:38.200 --> 2:26:41.760 our bodies upon the machinery of empire. And then after 2:26:41.800 --> 2:26:44.560 the first couple of hand to hand clashes with the police, 2:26:44.600 --> 2:26:47.560 which were mostly just kind of shoving, people just wanted 2:26:47.600 --> 2:26:49.800 to get home. They wanted to leave, and most of 2:26:49.840 --> 2:26:53.840 the night was us following people attempting to get home 2:26:54.000 --> 2:26:56.920 and disperse and not being allowed to buy the police 2:26:57.600 --> 2:26:59.600 every time they would like do a big push in 2:26:59.600 --> 2:27:03.000 where they're all shouting move in unison. They're telling you 2:27:03.040 --> 2:27:04.680 to go back, They're telling you to do this or 2:27:04.720 --> 2:27:07.160 you'll get arrested. And there's always you're always surrounded on 2:27:07.240 --> 2:27:10.320 every side by cops and you know, sometimes by gaggles 2:27:10.360 --> 2:27:13.680 of media. But like it was impossible to comply, Like I, 2:27:13.879 --> 2:27:16.840 I can't say that I saw any law breaking really 2:27:16.920 --> 2:27:20.240 aside from assuming the cops called an unlawful assembly, which 2:27:20.560 --> 2:27:22.600 I did not hear. I don't know how you would 2:27:22.640 --> 2:27:24.720 have heard in most of the product protests, but assuming 2:27:24.720 --> 2:27:26.119 they did, as that's the law breaker. 2:27:26.240 --> 2:27:28.400 Yeah, there was no like property damage, there was no 2:27:28.560 --> 2:27:31.720 there was no no real right activity. Yeah, you know, 2:27:31.800 --> 2:27:34.640 people people tried to march and police prevented them with 2:27:34.720 --> 2:27:38.359 their bodies yep, and you know there's a confrontation that ensues, 2:27:38.720 --> 2:27:41.160 like at that point where where the two groups meet. 2:27:41.600 --> 2:27:44.120 But besides that, it was it was people trying to 2:27:44.160 --> 2:27:45.880 march and the cops that prevented them from doing so. 2:27:46.080 --> 2:27:48.320 And it was a lot. I got stuck at one 2:27:48.320 --> 2:27:50.120 point with a group of twenty or so people, a 2:27:50.160 --> 2:27:53.240 handful of protesters, couple of media, and then maybe a 2:27:53.280 --> 2:27:56.000 dozen or more, Like I think they were locals. I 2:27:56.040 --> 2:27:58.360 guess it's possible they were tourists, but people who had 2:27:58.440 --> 2:28:01.440 just seen the march going down the st and thought 2:28:01.440 --> 2:28:03.199 that they might follow along and watch for a little 2:28:03.240 --> 2:28:05.320 And then the cops moved in so fast. We all 2:28:05.360 --> 2:28:08.120 got walled off in the courtyard of a hotel that 2:28:08.280 --> 2:28:10.959 didn't actually have street access, but it wasn't clear that 2:28:11.040 --> 2:28:14.520 it didn't, and the police repeatedly said they were going 2:28:14.560 --> 2:28:16.800 to arrest all of us. I had like a discussion 2:28:16.840 --> 2:28:19.400 with one about my credentials because he was like, those 2:28:19.400 --> 2:28:22.000 are press credential. Eventually they got a cop who could read, 2:28:22.440 --> 2:28:25.039 but another journalists got arrested. I think there were at 2:28:25.120 --> 2:28:26.320 least four arrested. 2:28:26.800 --> 2:28:28.720 Even at least four journalists were at least. 2:28:28.560 --> 2:28:32.440 Four journalists were arrested. Yeah, because after I got out, 2:28:32.640 --> 2:28:35.000 they let most of the people in our kettle out, 2:28:35.080 --> 2:28:37.480 but they pulled one guy with a helmet that said 2:28:37.520 --> 2:28:40.200 press on It out of the kettle. I think his 2:28:40.320 --> 2:28:43.080 name was Josh Pacheco. I believe it was Josh that 2:28:43.120 --> 2:28:47.680 I was filming. Josh was definitely arrested and he is 2:28:48.000 --> 2:28:50.840 going to be raising money because his camera was broken. 2:28:50.920 --> 2:28:53.920 They tossed his cameras lens first onto the ground and 2:28:54.000 --> 2:28:56.879 did significant damage. If you want to find Josh's info 2:28:56.920 --> 2:29:01.840 online at JP Underscore OTG you can find his information. 2:29:02.080 --> 2:29:04.840 I'm sure he'll be doing a fundraiser at some point. 2:29:04.959 --> 2:29:08.000 And obviously there were many more protesters arrested. The actual 2:29:08.000 --> 2:29:10.120 final number is kind of up in the air. Police 2:29:10.160 --> 2:29:13.000 are saying that twenty two people at least were arrested, 2:29:13.240 --> 2:29:15.520 and ENLG is saying it's closer to a devan. 2:29:15.600 --> 2:29:18.240 Being the National Lawyer's Guild, they show up at protests 2:29:18.320 --> 2:29:21.320 to protect people's rights primarily in the event of arrest. 2:29:21.400 --> 2:29:23.360 Yeah, so there's kind of some confusion here on how 2:29:23.360 --> 2:29:26.240 many people were actually arrested. I'll try to get confirmations 2:29:26.240 --> 2:29:28.680 and I'll add that in later tonight. I'll also look 2:29:28.720 --> 2:29:30.880 for a bail fund. Yeah, to donate as well, because 2:29:30.920 --> 2:29:34.920 it is always unfortunate when journalists are arrested, but it's 2:29:35.040 --> 2:29:38.640 equally as unfortunate when people who are protesting, especially for 2:29:38.680 --> 2:29:40.480 a cause like this, get arrested as well. 2:29:40.480 --> 2:29:43.320 Like this is I think something that it's worthstating. 2:29:43.040 --> 2:29:46.720 Especially since again I can't say anything anyone did to 2:29:46.840 --> 2:29:49.600 precipitate arrest. It's not even like they were closing down 2:29:49.600 --> 2:29:52.440 streets because the police had closed down every street they 2:29:52.440 --> 2:29:56.119 were on before they showed up. I think the police 2:29:56.360 --> 2:29:59.800 very clearly were under orders to keep things peaceful as 2:29:59.800 --> 2:30:03.200 long long as possible, largely because they didn't want the 2:30:03.320 --> 2:30:06.800 DNC and the city government didn't want the embarrassment of 2:30:06.800 --> 2:30:09.240 anything really ugly. So there were no weapons used. There 2:30:09.280 --> 2:30:11.520 was no mace used. I didn't even really see the 2:30:11.560 --> 2:30:12.400 sticks used much. 2:30:12.640 --> 2:30:14.920 They were mostly used to like push. There was very 2:30:14.959 --> 2:30:17.199 little in terms of like like like overhand hitting. 2:30:17.360 --> 2:30:19.840 But they didn't need any of that stuff because there 2:30:19.879 --> 2:30:21.600 was no point at which they had less than a 2:30:21.640 --> 2:30:24.680 two to one numerical advantage, usually more like three or four. 2:30:24.800 --> 2:30:27.120 And the people that were organizing this protest in the 2:30:27.200 --> 2:30:29.680 in the days prior where like announcing part of their 2:30:29.680 --> 2:30:33.000 intention was to specifically get beat up by police and 2:30:33.400 --> 2:30:36.199 like beat up badly and have this like generate news coverage, 2:30:36.680 --> 2:30:40.480 you know, this slight Stare organization as well, Yeah, invoking 2:30:40.720 --> 2:30:44.160 Chicago nineteen sixty eight, and police largely like denied them 2:30:44.240 --> 2:30:47.040 that option. And you know, many of the participants also 2:30:47.200 --> 2:30:51.560 options to not continue, you know, an hour's long physical 2:30:51.560 --> 2:30:54.520 confrontation with police and instead opted to try to move 2:30:54.520 --> 2:30:56.920 around them, try to evade them, instead of trying to 2:30:56.920 --> 2:30:59.080 you know, push through police lines. You know, there was 2:30:59.120 --> 2:31:00.959 a few points where the the police lines that were 2:31:00.959 --> 2:31:03.720 blocking the street was very thin after people started to 2:31:03.760 --> 2:31:08.119 move around this kind of area, around around the Consulate building, 2:31:08.320 --> 2:31:10.160 and then you know, other times the police lines were 2:31:10.200 --> 2:31:15.760 very thick, but consistently people opted to not continue a 2:31:15.800 --> 2:31:18.000 long physical engagement with police. 2:31:18.120 --> 2:31:21.000 Yeah, it was a discretion is the better part of 2:31:21.080 --> 2:31:22.960 valor kind of night, and I think that's the point 2:31:23.000 --> 2:31:26.160 at which the police decided we are going to arrest people. 2:31:26.200 --> 2:31:27.560 There was a degree to which it felt like they 2:31:27.560 --> 2:31:30.840 were just kind of like trying out tactics. A lot 2:31:30.840 --> 2:31:32.880 of what they were doing was splitting up the crowd 2:31:33.200 --> 2:31:36.640 then doing targeted arrests and kind of separating, calving off 2:31:36.720 --> 2:31:39.200 chunks of it. I don't know the whole thing. I 2:31:39.280 --> 2:31:42.040 kind of couldn't stop myself from being drawn back to 2:31:42.120 --> 2:31:45.039 the whole time. It's like, what is the actual utility 2:31:45.320 --> 2:31:48.640 of this really? Because it didn't get attention, not much. 2:31:48.800 --> 2:31:50.760 You know, there's some news coverage and stuff, but it's 2:31:50.800 --> 2:31:53.560 not a Chicago sixty eight moment. I don't think this 2:31:53.680 --> 2:31:57.120 is going to move any needle for anybody, and obviously 2:31:57.120 --> 2:31:58.920 that's the goal, right is to have some kind of 2:31:58.959 --> 2:32:01.480 an impact. I mean everyone was saying, like the stated 2:32:01.520 --> 2:32:04.160 goal at all of these protests shut down the DNC, 2:32:04.959 --> 2:32:07.440 and the only time that kind of happened was at 2:32:07.480 --> 2:32:13.000 the less radical protest policed protests yesterday, right when largely 2:32:13.080 --> 2:32:16.240 kind of by accident. I don't know like that. I'm 2:32:16.240 --> 2:32:18.920 not trying to be like down on anyone. It just 2:32:19.000 --> 2:32:21.840 is one of those what when you're seeing the sheer 2:32:22.160 --> 2:32:26.680 weight of police and the numbers of protesters being generated 2:32:26.800 --> 2:32:30.040 is one hundred or two hundred, it just feels like 2:32:30.560 --> 2:32:34.160 you're asking people to get fucked up and damage their 2:32:34.200 --> 2:32:38.199 lives in a situation in which that's unlikely to actually 2:32:38.680 --> 2:32:40.520 lead to any of the things they want to see. 2:32:41.000 --> 2:32:42.440 Hey, this is gare cutting in again. 2:32:42.800 --> 2:32:45.879 The exact number of arrests is still a little bit unclear, 2:32:46.000 --> 2:32:48.560 but we have a clearer idea than what we did 2:32:48.600 --> 2:32:51.600 a few hours ago. The official number as of Wednesday 2:32:51.640 --> 2:32:54.840 evening is that fifty six people were arrested. 2:32:55.440 --> 2:32:57.119 I'm going to quote from the AP. 2:32:57.160 --> 2:33:00.360 Quote thirty of the people detained by police were issue 2:33:00.440 --> 2:33:04.680 citations for disorderly conduct. According to Chicago Police, one person 2:33:04.720 --> 2:33:07.840 was arrested on a felony charge of resisting police, while 2:33:07.920 --> 2:33:13.160 nine were charged with misdemeanors including disorderly conduct, resisting officers, battery, assault, 2:33:13.400 --> 2:33:17.640 and criminal damage to property. Police said, unquote for the record, 2:33:17.800 --> 2:33:22.040 neither myself nor Robert witnessed any criminal damage to property. 2:33:22.480 --> 2:33:25.120 I guess to kind of conclude a protest that's going 2:33:25.160 --> 2:33:28.360 to actually like move the Needler change, anything has to 2:33:29.160 --> 2:33:35.360 overwhelm like the capacity of the state system to deal 2:33:35.440 --> 2:33:37.160 with it. It has to be something that the state 2:33:37.240 --> 2:33:39.440 is not. We saw this in twenty twenty, right like 2:33:39.600 --> 2:33:41.920 just over I'm just talking about Portland. Just like overall, 2:33:42.440 --> 2:33:45.760 the George Floyd uprising was beyond what the state was 2:33:45.800 --> 2:33:48.560 prepared to handle for at least a sizable chunk, especially 2:33:48.640 --> 2:33:51.879 of the early days. It like overwhelmed the capacity of 2:33:51.920 --> 2:33:55.879 the resources the state had to respond adequately. The state, 2:33:56.280 --> 2:33:58.440 at least everything I've seen so far at the DNC 2:33:59.000 --> 2:34:02.160 has been perfectly prepared for everything that people brought to bear. 2:34:02.720 --> 2:34:04.480 And that's really the summary I've got. 2:34:04.959 --> 2:34:06.520 We're gonna go on a quick break and then be 2:34:06.600 --> 2:34:10.640 back to hear from Sophie about the Obama festival inside 2:34:10.959 --> 2:34:25.400 the Democratic National Convention. All right, we are back and 2:34:25.440 --> 2:34:28.760 as as this protest was happening in this area around 2:34:28.760 --> 2:34:31.320 like I think it's called the West Loop, Sophie was 2:34:31.360 --> 2:34:35.560 inside the DNC and there was also people similar to 2:34:35.560 --> 2:34:37.879 the first day of the DNC who snuck in like 2:34:38.160 --> 2:34:42.200 banners into the DNC and unfurled them like pro Palestine 2:34:42.440 --> 2:34:45.480 disarming as royal banners. I believe the banner from last 2:34:45.560 --> 2:34:49.280 night just read free Palestine and Sophie. What was it 2:34:49.440 --> 2:34:52.320 like in there exactly? Was it easier to get into 2:34:52.400 --> 2:34:53.800 than the than the day previous? 2:34:54.120 --> 2:34:57.200 Well, it was more, it was, It was it was 2:34:57.520 --> 2:35:00.320 is what I'll say. It wasn't as organized is the 2:35:00.440 --> 2:35:02.000 R and C, but it was. It was better than 2:35:02.040 --> 2:35:02.680 the day prior. 2:35:02.959 --> 2:35:03.280 That's good. 2:35:03.320 --> 2:35:04.800 A win is a win at this point. 2:35:05.400 --> 2:35:10.119 But yeah, the energy was electric, as I heard multiple 2:35:10.160 --> 2:35:14.920 people say throughout the night in the unassigned press area 2:35:15.160 --> 2:35:15.720 that I was. 2:35:15.720 --> 2:35:19.800 In, it felt like, at least from watching online afterwards, 2:35:20.320 --> 2:35:23.039 it gave really big, like two thousand and eight energy. 2:35:23.120 --> 2:35:23.320 Yeah. 2:35:23.400 --> 2:35:27.160 Yeah, obviously, you know, Michelle Obama Barack Obama are both speaking, 2:35:27.240 --> 2:35:28.480 so that that kind of carries with it. 2:35:28.440 --> 2:35:28.920 A little bit. 2:35:29.160 --> 2:35:31.600 But but even just like the general vibe just felt 2:35:31.600 --> 2:35:34.000 it felt very two thousand and eight, like that style 2:35:34.400 --> 2:35:36.240 of like two thousand and eight optimism. 2:35:36.440 --> 2:35:38.600 Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. 2:35:39.040 --> 2:35:41.640 I've been asked a lot like what the energy is 2:35:41.640 --> 2:35:43.640 compared to the rn C, and like the rn C 2:35:43.879 --> 2:35:47.240 was more like a WWE event and this was more 2:35:47.360 --> 2:35:51.400 like a you know, B level pop star concert, sure 2:35:51.520 --> 2:35:54.800 where everyone was very excited to be there, where I 2:35:54.840 --> 2:35:58.839 only knew a couple of the songs. Sure, that was 2:35:58.520 --> 2:36:02.640 that was the general of But the main speed section 2:36:02.760 --> 2:36:07.800 of the event started off with Center Majority leader Chuck Schumer. 2:36:07.760 --> 2:36:10.000 And I watched his speech. It was not very good. 2:36:10.240 --> 2:36:13.280 He came out and and was what some would describe 2:36:13.320 --> 2:36:15.000 as dancing on stage. 2:36:15.040 --> 2:36:18.680 He was quesetable. His speech was very like robotic. Yeah 2:36:18.760 --> 2:36:20.440 it was. He was not good. Well, he's the head 2:36:20.440 --> 2:36:23.600 of the dim Crypto Caucus, so like he's part robot. 2:36:24.240 --> 2:36:27.320 But it was like people were not super into him. 2:36:27.600 --> 2:36:30.879 He was whatever. But then Bertie Sayers came up and 2:36:31.240 --> 2:36:34.199 I was actually surprised at the crowd was as into 2:36:34.280 --> 2:36:34.920 him as. 2:36:34.760 --> 2:36:37.920 They were, but not super into No, no, no, don't. 2:36:37.680 --> 2:36:41.040 Get me wrong with nothing like nothing like the Obamas 2:36:41.080 --> 2:36:41.680 later in the night. 2:36:41.879 --> 2:36:43.400 Nothing even like AOC, it seems. 2:36:43.560 --> 2:36:43.720 No. 2:36:43.879 --> 2:36:46.760 They definitely loved AOC a lot, a lot more than Bernie. 2:36:47.160 --> 2:36:48.200 I enjoyed his speech. 2:36:48.440 --> 2:36:50.480 Yeah, he gave like one of the more like economically 2:36:50.520 --> 2:36:53.680 sound speeches talking about actual issues facing working people. 2:36:53.800 --> 2:36:54.160 Correct. 2:36:54.480 --> 2:36:56.560 I would say, you know, a lot of the other 2:36:56.640 --> 2:36:59.120 journalists around me were talking during that time. There was 2:36:59.160 --> 2:37:01.680 not They were not thoroughly paying attention to him, which 2:37:01.720 --> 2:37:02.480 was interesting to know. 2:37:02.800 --> 2:37:05.160 It was the same speech that he's been giving since 2:37:05.160 --> 2:37:08.640 twenty sixteen. Essentially, I feel like, unfortunately, the economic situation 2:37:08.680 --> 2:37:10.520 in the States has not changed all that much. 2:37:10.720 --> 2:37:12.520 I feel like Bertie Sands has been giving the same 2:37:12.520 --> 2:37:13.640 of speech his entire career. 2:37:13.760 --> 2:37:15.920 Sure, Yeah, and like the same stuff he was calling 2:37:15.959 --> 2:37:18.080 for back then, with the with the one percent and 2:37:18.120 --> 2:37:20.879 the billionaire class and healthcare and all these things that 2:37:20.959 --> 2:37:23.680 are still real issues. And in some ways, I feel 2:37:23.680 --> 2:37:25.400 like they were more talked about back in like, you know, 2:37:25.480 --> 2:37:27.760 twenty seventeen, and the fact that they aren't just talked 2:37:27.760 --> 2:37:29.800 about now is maybe, you know, to some degree, like 2:37:29.920 --> 2:37:30.480 a failing. 2:37:30.720 --> 2:37:32.640 But no, he gave the speech that he was expected 2:37:32.680 --> 2:37:33.760 to make, and. 2:37:33.720 --> 2:37:37.040 Yeah, he called for an end to his words, horrific 2:37:37.080 --> 2:37:40.640 war in Gaza and called for a ceasefire, one of 2:37:40.680 --> 2:37:43.560 the few this entire week that we've we've heard actually 2:37:43.560 --> 2:37:45.560 say that. AC said it yesterday. 2:37:45.680 --> 2:37:49.160 Well and and AOC's specific line was crediting Harris for 2:37:49.240 --> 2:37:52.040 working around the clock to make a ceasefire deal. 2:37:52.680 --> 2:37:56.120 It was specifically like the phrasing that AOC used. Yeah, 2:37:56.160 --> 2:37:57.800 I don't buy that, super well. 2:37:57.800 --> 2:38:00.320 No, well, I'm not afraid to is that. 2:38:00.600 --> 2:38:02.600 Because I was at the protest, I had the intention 2:38:02.680 --> 2:38:05.320 of just watching all the speeches in my hotel afterwards, 2:38:05.680 --> 2:38:08.160 and I got up to my room, I turned on CNN. 2:38:08.240 --> 2:38:11.560 They were replaying the whole night, and after Bernie's speech, 2:38:11.600 --> 2:38:14.600 I completely fell asleep. Well and then and then I 2:38:14.640 --> 2:38:17.920 woke up at eight am. CNN was still on my television. 2:38:18.000 --> 2:38:18.920 That is so cursed. 2:38:19.360 --> 2:38:21.400 I turned it off and I went back to Staarson. 2:38:21.480 --> 2:38:23.119 You had some nightmares on spooling. 2:38:24.840 --> 2:38:27.880 I don't know what was being subjected to my sleeping body. 2:38:28.040 --> 2:38:29.400 You're never recovering from. 2:38:29.200 --> 2:38:32.600 This after Bernie, you know, i'd say, the only other 2:38:32.640 --> 2:38:34.920 person until we get to the second gentleman, Doug m 2:38:34.920 --> 2:38:36.840 Hoff and then the Obama's liater that I was you know, 2:38:36.879 --> 2:38:38.879 the governor of Illinois, Pritzker. 2:38:39.000 --> 2:38:39.480 Pritzker. 2:38:39.720 --> 2:38:44.120 He he just was very very well received, obviously by 2:38:44.240 --> 2:38:44.879 by the crowd. 2:38:45.240 --> 2:38:48.080 He's one of the democrats favorite men, one of their 2:38:48.080 --> 2:38:49.119 favorite boys. 2:38:48.840 --> 2:38:52.359 Early on, a favorite for the VP slot. Yeah, he's very. 2:38:52.200 --> 2:38:54.480 Good at attacking Trump and his speeches. He said Trump 2:38:54.520 --> 2:38:57.240 is only rich in one thing, stupidity in the crowd. 2:38:57.280 --> 2:38:58.240 What fair role. 2:38:58.320 --> 2:39:00.680 Yeah, he was definitely like the most like a mean 2:39:00.959 --> 2:39:02.720 out of many of the speech kids. 2:39:03.240 --> 2:39:05.359 I would say though, like last night was the roasting 2:39:05.480 --> 2:39:08.400 nights last year was the roasting Okay, Okay, for sure 2:39:08.600 --> 2:39:10.360 they did Bamba made a dick Joe. 2:39:10.440 --> 2:39:12.160 Oh, Bama made a dick John. We'll get to We'll 2:39:12.160 --> 2:39:12.600 get to that. 2:39:12.920 --> 2:39:15.040 But yeah, Also, just like visually, they have like those 2:39:15.120 --> 2:39:17.920 light up things that you have at concerts, you know 2:39:18.240 --> 2:39:21.760 I do. Before I get into taking this back into 2:39:21.920 --> 2:39:24.240 time to two thousand and eight, talk a little. 2:39:24.000 --> 2:39:26.240 Bit about the role call sure sure, And this is 2:39:26.280 --> 2:39:29.959 where they formerly like ceremonially nominate Harris and Walls to 2:39:29.959 --> 2:39:32.480 be the president and vice presidential nominees. 2:39:32.840 --> 2:39:35.600 Correct, And let's just say it was a little bit 2:39:35.600 --> 2:39:39.600 different than the the RNC. At the RNC, you have 2:39:39.640 --> 2:39:42.959 Speaker Johnson just telling the delegates that we need to 2:39:43.040 --> 2:39:45.760 keep order and there's a proper way to do things. 2:39:46.160 --> 2:39:48.760 And then you had people from each state come up 2:39:48.760 --> 2:39:53.000 and make speeches like this, finding liberty. 2:39:53.360 --> 2:39:57.080 Since sixteen seventy where the revolutionary or all was blown. 2:39:57.800 --> 2:39:59.120 We're in twenty sixteen. 2:39:59.280 --> 2:40:03.840 Donald Trump won his first primary victory ever. Lets rang 2:40:03.920 --> 2:40:08.640 in the trunk Carol of American history, the Great State 2:40:08.720 --> 2:40:13.240 of South Carolina, crown cass all of its foots for 2:40:13.400 --> 2:40:14.840 President Donovan K. 2:40:15.360 --> 2:40:19.879 Trump and on the flip side at the DNC, and 2:40:19.920 --> 2:40:22.720 I had several friends that were watching on TV say 2:40:22.720 --> 2:40:25.040 it was translating very well on TV. It was. It 2:40:25.120 --> 2:40:28.520 was a little bit more chaotic in person, and certain 2:40:28.520 --> 2:40:30.720 states didn't match the same energy. 2:40:31.200 --> 2:40:33.600 But each state had had a song. 2:40:33.840 --> 2:40:36.039 There was a whole playlist thing and that is now 2:40:36.080 --> 2:40:39.480 going around and the energy was of a I would 2:40:39.520 --> 2:40:40.640 say teen Choice. 2:40:40.360 --> 2:40:42.240 Awards, Tamala is Brandt. 2:40:42.440 --> 2:40:47.360 It was eighteen Choice Awards, vibe with Garrison. The State 2:40:47.400 --> 2:40:48.920 of Georgia doing this. 2:40:56.080 --> 2:41:22.640 The wow, So that's very cool, Sophie. 2:41:22.920 --> 2:41:26.440 I will say the state of Oregon did. 2:41:26.320 --> 2:41:29.480 Not well, No, that's because organ is allergic to fun 2:41:30.320 --> 2:41:31.520 Oregan in Wisconsin. 2:41:31.879 --> 2:41:34.600 Boy, howdy did they not bring the good vibes. 2:41:34.640 --> 2:41:36.280 Well, that's because all I can do in Wisconsin is drink, 2:41:36.320 --> 2:41:38.040 and all in organ you can do is smoke weed. 2:41:38.120 --> 2:41:39.120 So there you go. 2:41:39.680 --> 2:41:44.920 After the roll call, they cut to VP Harris and 2:41:45.080 --> 2:41:48.760 Governor Tim Walls streaming live from Milwaukee. 2:41:48.280 --> 2:41:51.760 The Pfizer Forum where we all suffered through last month. 2:41:52.520 --> 2:41:55.400 Yes, that was where the RNC was held last month, 2:41:55.560 --> 2:41:58.560 to be like, look at us, Donald. 2:41:58.280 --> 2:42:00.520 We're able to fill both venues at the same time. 2:42:00.720 --> 2:42:04.400 We are so hip and cool, and of course the 2:42:04.440 --> 2:42:06.039 crowd lost their minds. 2:42:06.040 --> 2:42:06.680 They ate it up. 2:42:06.800 --> 2:42:10.120 They love her, They love her so honestly pretty good. 2:42:10.160 --> 2:42:14.480 Burn, it's it's it's it's not a bad this was 2:42:14.959 --> 2:42:17.560 You're getting kind of a glimpse. Ever since, like the 2:42:17.600 --> 2:42:21.960 Republicans are weird stuff, they've been realizing that it's actually 2:42:22.000 --> 2:42:24.480 really useful to be kind of mean in politics. Yeah, 2:42:24.520 --> 2:42:26.760 for so long this party has been like linked to 2:42:27.160 --> 2:42:29.240 when they go low, we go high. You know, we're 2:42:29.280 --> 2:42:32.440 gonna we're gonna make a compromise. We're gonna we're gonna 2:42:32.480 --> 2:42:33.800 we're going to reach across the aisle. 2:42:34.320 --> 2:42:38.000 Yeah, I mean, last night it was not they go low, 2:42:38.120 --> 2:42:38.720 we go high. 2:42:38.720 --> 2:42:41.280 It was definitely they go low, we also go low. 2:42:41.720 --> 2:42:45.480 And you know that was interesting to observe because the 2:42:45.480 --> 2:42:46.600 crowd loved it. 2:42:46.600 --> 2:42:47.560 It plays very well. 2:42:47.600 --> 2:42:48.520 It plays very well. 2:42:48.720 --> 2:42:52.600 Before the Obabas, we got a speech from the second Gentleman, 2:42:52.640 --> 2:42:56.080 which is very fun to say, Kablo Harris's husband, Doug. 2:42:57.480 --> 2:42:59.400 Doug, I like that, let's. 2:42:59.360 --> 2:43:00.840 Keep try that. You can't not. 2:43:05.879 --> 2:43:09.840 But they introed him with a video from his son 2:43:10.560 --> 2:43:14.840 and it was very TV movie of the Week, partwarming. 2:43:15.680 --> 2:43:18.600 And then he came out on stage and introduced his 2:43:18.680 --> 2:43:20.640 dad and there was hugging lah lah Lah, and the 2:43:20.680 --> 2:43:22.879 crowd was allowed, as it did Ben that night, and 2:43:22.959 --> 2:43:23.360 I was like. 2:43:23.360 --> 2:43:25.480 Wow, I love families, but I was like, wow, the 2:43:25.520 --> 2:43:26.520 crowd is so loud. 2:43:26.640 --> 2:43:29.160 And then like ten minutes later, Michelle Obama came out 2:43:29.160 --> 2:43:30.680 and I was like, the crowd was very quiet. 2:43:30.680 --> 2:43:31.440 For Doug impoff. 2:43:31.480 --> 2:43:36.080 In comparison, she is by far the most popular Democrat 2:43:36.320 --> 2:43:36.879 in the world. 2:43:37.040 --> 2:43:40.760 There is an Obama derangement syndrome. It ignites something in 2:43:41.200 --> 2:43:44.720 millennials and makes them really love the Obama. They really 2:43:44.800 --> 2:43:46.640 love their mamas, lose their minds. 2:43:47.000 --> 2:43:50.960 Doug's speech primarily focused on painting a picture of his 2:43:51.040 --> 2:43:55.680 wife as a family, family woman and talking about how 2:43:55.720 --> 2:43:57.879 great she is with their with their kids. He has 2:43:58.600 --> 2:44:00.960 two kids from his first marriage and they call her 2:44:01.000 --> 2:44:01.440 Mama La. 2:44:03.440 --> 2:44:06.680 But she's not a real mom, you know, Robert Roberts. Look, 2:44:06.720 --> 2:44:08.360 I've been I've been listening to a lot of Matt. 2:44:08.440 --> 2:44:11.720 This is a real scandal. They're not her born children. 2:44:11.879 --> 2:44:13.840 You know, you can't adopt kids. 2:44:14.120 --> 2:44:16.640 You gotta stop listening to Matt Walsh podcasts when you're 2:44:16.680 --> 2:44:17.279 doing your workout. 2:44:18.360 --> 2:44:20.959 I do love that the right has entirely chosen the 2:44:21.000 --> 2:44:23.480 line of attack on Kamala to be that like she's 2:44:23.520 --> 2:44:27.400 a fake mom. She's a fake mom. She raised Pamala. 2:44:27.920 --> 2:44:31.880 You know, because we're quoting Matt Wall. Oh okay, that's 2:44:31.879 --> 2:44:32.400 how he says. 2:44:32.400 --> 2:44:35.120 It's absolutely by the way Matt Walsh was like in 2:44:35.160 --> 2:44:38.400 a disguise. Also, they're all in disguise walking around the 2:44:38.480 --> 2:44:40.320 DNC doing something that doesn't matter. 2:44:40.480 --> 2:44:42.400 See that Matt Wall showed up in his like what 2:44:42.520 --> 2:44:46.480 is a woman liberal disguise with the with the little ponytails. 2:44:46.600 --> 2:44:50.680 Cowardly Harry, I show up. I should have kind of it. 2:44:50.760 --> 2:44:52.920 Well, my disguise just being a regular black suit, which 2:44:52.920 --> 2:44:55.280 I also wear regularly all the time. I'm pretty sure 2:44:55.320 --> 2:44:57.120 Walsh was trying to get some extra clips for his 2:44:57.280 --> 2:45:01.000 new like how Racism Isn't a real documentary that they're 2:45:01.040 --> 2:45:03.560 playing ads for in theaters in front of like queer 2:45:03.560 --> 2:45:06.199 and trans movies, like specifically to like fuck with people. 2:45:06.760 --> 2:45:09.160 So I'm pretty sure they're they're here collecting some kind 2:45:09.160 --> 2:45:11.160 of some kind of some kind of punts for that, 2:45:11.200 --> 2:45:13.320 because he had a little lav mic attached to his 2:45:13.720 --> 2:45:16.680 attached to his lapel, so he's he's doing some kind 2:45:16.680 --> 2:45:17.320 of hijinks. 2:45:17.400 --> 2:45:19.480 But Yeah, it's interesting to me how much of the 2:45:19.520 --> 2:45:24.160 attacks on Kamala right now are focused on her family 2:45:24.240 --> 2:45:26.960 not being a real family. It strikes me as kind 2:45:26.959 --> 2:45:28.800 of a sign of desperation because I'm not saying it 2:45:29.040 --> 2:45:31.640 get any traction. It's the same as like the Tim 2:45:31.680 --> 2:45:35.280 Wall stuff, where it's like nothing sticking that they're trying 2:45:35.360 --> 2:45:37.640 right now, and I think they've just gotten so far 2:45:37.680 --> 2:45:40.400 into their own fever swamps that they have completely forgotten 2:45:40.400 --> 2:45:43.200 how to connect with a hit, which is is an 2:45:43.200 --> 2:45:45.440 interesting place for the Republicans to be because that's all 2:45:45.480 --> 2:45:45.879 they have. 2:45:46.959 --> 2:45:49.279 Yeah, Duck read the teleprompter. 2:45:49.520 --> 2:45:52.480 He it's fun being able to see the teleprompter because 2:45:52.520 --> 2:45:55.800 you can see where they have bolded words or underlied 2:45:55.800 --> 2:45:59.360 words or capitalized words, and any bold or capitalized word. 2:45:59.640 --> 2:46:03.119 He really went for it, and I personally thought that 2:46:03.440 --> 2:46:07.440 was funny to observe. But the crowd liked him, and 2:46:08.280 --> 2:46:12.279 I was like, wow, they really like Doug em Hoff. Wow. 2:46:12.680 --> 2:46:15.959 And then I was like, no, that's not who they. 2:46:16.000 --> 2:46:19.320 Actually like, because then Michelle Obama came out and the 2:46:19.560 --> 2:46:24.040 crowd standing ovations. I can't even tell you it was 2:46:24.560 --> 2:46:29.119 louder than like I've seen Beyonce concert, same exact amount 2:46:29.120 --> 2:46:32.160 of loudness, but yeah, it was just very two thousand 2:46:32.160 --> 2:46:35.000 and eight, very twenty twelve. Her speech was incredible. 2:46:35.320 --> 2:46:36.840 What did she actually talk about? 2:46:37.240 --> 2:46:40.119 Nothing, but it was incredible, is what I'm saying. 2:46:40.320 --> 2:46:44.640 She just basically talked about how important it is to 2:46:44.680 --> 2:46:49.080 do things without saying anything. She was able to resonate 2:46:49.280 --> 2:46:51.800 with every single person in the crowd. Every single person 2:46:51.800 --> 2:46:54.000 in the crowd was just enamored. 2:46:54.280 --> 2:46:57.480 What's been so many bad months in a row of 2:46:57.879 --> 2:47:01.680 news and just getting constantly down in every news cycle 2:47:01.840 --> 2:47:05.600 and war and genocide overseas, and a lot of people 2:47:06.160 --> 2:47:08.480 as soon as Biden stepped down, it was like a 2:47:08.560 --> 2:47:12.680 rubber band breaking, and everyone just went from what this 2:47:12.680 --> 2:47:15.680 this was supposed to not happen as a convention. There 2:47:15.680 --> 2:47:18.360 were serious efforts by the DNC when Biden was still 2:47:18.360 --> 2:47:20.880 a candidate to like, we don't even need to do 2:47:20.920 --> 2:47:24.000 a real convention because like, what is the benefit of 2:47:24.120 --> 2:47:27.840 sticking him in front of people for longer? And they 2:47:27.879 --> 2:47:30.760 broke a pinata full of party energy and that's that's 2:47:30.760 --> 2:47:34.720 what this has all been inside and honestly not a 2:47:34.720 --> 2:47:37.000 lot of energy outside in the streets, you know, energy 2:47:37.000 --> 2:47:39.879 from the people who were there. But like, I think 2:47:39.920 --> 2:47:42.880 there would have been much larger crowds if Biden had stayed. 2:47:43.080 --> 2:47:45.280 I one hundred percent agree with you. 2:47:45.280 --> 2:47:49.320 You know, Michelle Obama brought back, you know, one of 2:47:49.360 --> 2:47:52.600 the key things from two thousand and eight, Hope. She said, 2:47:52.680 --> 2:47:56.240 Hope is making a comeback, and the crowd lost it. 2:47:56.400 --> 2:47:56.600 Yeah. 2:47:56.800 --> 2:47:58.760 I think that's really part of what made last night 2:47:58.840 --> 2:48:01.440 have so much of that two eight energy beyond, you know, 2:48:01.480 --> 2:48:03.480 like all of like all of like the pop songs beyond, 2:48:03.520 --> 2:48:05.879 like the Obamas. It's like this this messaging of like 2:48:05.920 --> 2:48:08.680 there's actually there's actually like a good future to look towards, 2:48:09.160 --> 2:48:10.360 like Hope, you know that's. 2:48:10.360 --> 2:48:12.680 As long as we defeat Donald Trump. 2:48:12.800 --> 2:48:14.720 Sure hope is available. 2:48:14.600 --> 2:48:17.039 Was the main theme of the night, and then she 2:48:17.120 --> 2:48:22.039 introduced President Obama. He came out hammed it up, told 2:48:22.080 --> 2:48:22.880 his little jokes. 2:48:22.920 --> 2:48:23.640 He was so excited. 2:48:23.800 --> 2:48:25.360 You could tell he was like so excited to be 2:48:25.360 --> 2:48:26.480 able to tell. 2:48:26.240 --> 2:48:29.000 His material to that largeer crowd. He was like very 2:48:29.040 --> 2:48:30.320 excited to be up there. 2:48:31.000 --> 2:48:34.840 We got yes we can chance, then later yes she 2:48:35.040 --> 2:48:39.400 can chance. At one point the crowd started chanting thank 2:48:39.440 --> 2:48:41.920 you Joe, as they do when Joe Biden was referenced, 2:48:42.000 --> 2:48:45.359 and he directly said that the torch has been passed. 2:48:45.720 --> 2:48:49.360 There we go, and that is generally the summary of 2:48:49.440 --> 2:48:54.280 the night. Lib Topia, as I'm calling the DNC was 2:48:54.440 --> 2:48:55.160 very excited. 2:48:55.760 --> 2:48:59.119 Yeah, that sounds thrilling. It's really making me optimistic about 2:48:59.160 --> 2:48:59.680 the future. 2:49:00.120 --> 2:49:03.000 Yeah, I mean I am more optimistic of the future 2:49:03.040 --> 2:49:05.640 than I was. But also what I do foresee from 2:49:05.680 --> 2:49:07.880 this is that we are heading into a future assuming 2:49:07.920 --> 2:49:11.760 the dims win, especially if they win by a sizeable margin, 2:49:11.920 --> 2:49:15.640 where they get meaner to everyone. The thing they learned 2:49:15.680 --> 2:49:18.520 from Trump is you should call people names and be shit, 2:49:18.520 --> 2:49:20.720 and you know that'll get turned on the left because 2:49:20.720 --> 2:49:24.199 the left it already has, Yeah, as it already has. 2:49:24.240 --> 2:49:28.200 But also the left is going to continue not having 2:49:28.280 --> 2:49:32.240 much of an impact on the broader situation until people 2:49:32.280 --> 2:49:36.440 have any sort of ability to actually get folks out 2:49:36.560 --> 2:49:40.000 and have a clear understand like a clear plan for 2:49:40.160 --> 2:49:45.400 something to do that the system cannot easily easily contain 2:49:45.760 --> 2:49:50.360 and withstand right like little marches and demonstrations. Not only 2:49:50.480 --> 2:49:53.000 is the police prepared for them, but the Democratic Party, 2:49:53.520 --> 2:49:57.840 I think is increasingly prepared for how you isolate and 2:49:58.000 --> 2:50:01.920 sort of deflect a from that sort of thing, like 2:50:01.959 --> 2:50:03.720 a lot of what we've seen on the floor at 2:50:03.720 --> 2:50:06.840 the DNC with the Yeah, we'll have Bernie come up 2:50:06.840 --> 2:50:08.880 and he'll talk about a ceasefire. We'll have AOC have 2:50:09.000 --> 2:50:11.240 or ceasefire Led Joe, we'll say that the protesters have 2:50:11.280 --> 2:50:13.680 a point. You should listen to them. Now, you're not 2:50:13.760 --> 2:50:15.879 going to He's not going to draw any other attention 2:50:15.959 --> 2:50:18.240 if you were to come down an attack or you know, 2:50:18.280 --> 2:50:22.200 the protesters for you know, whatever bad piece of messaging 2:50:22.280 --> 2:50:25.920 or something happened outside that actually does draw some attention, 2:50:26.200 --> 2:50:28.200 you know, Like the DIMS have not just been smart 2:50:28.400 --> 2:50:31.480 in what they've signaled, but in how they've made sure 2:50:31.480 --> 2:50:33.920 that that really hasn't become part of the story of 2:50:33.959 --> 2:50:37.720 the DNC, and heading into this that was a huge 2:50:37.720 --> 2:50:39.760 fear a lot of people had, and a huge expectation 2:50:39.879 --> 2:50:41.480 a lot of people had. It was part of the 2:50:41.520 --> 2:50:44.880 planning that a lot of the protests that came in 2:50:44.920 --> 2:50:48.560 with that we are going to disrupt and damage this 2:50:48.720 --> 2:50:52.000 kind of coronation process in order to make it very 2:50:52.040 --> 2:50:54.760 clear that the Democratic Party has not made any meaningful 2:50:55.040 --> 2:50:59.560 movement on Gaza. And I think what we've seen here 2:50:59.680 --> 2:51:02.320 is the start up a replicable strategy that, unless there's 2:51:02.320 --> 2:51:05.920 an alteration in how people are organizing, is going to 2:51:05.959 --> 2:51:09.120 allow the DIMS to continue to sideline radical voices pushing 2:51:09.120 --> 2:51:09.879 for things that matter. 2:51:10.560 --> 2:51:12.640 Yeah, and I think one trend that we're going to 2:51:12.720 --> 2:51:17.960 see continuing, especially if someone like Kamala wins. I'm starting 2:51:18.000 --> 2:51:22.360 to see a growing kind of reclamation of liberal patriotism. 2:51:22.760 --> 2:51:25.840 Yes, there were USA signs last. 2:51:25.680 --> 2:51:28.240 Night and USA chance and I think this will be 2:51:28.240 --> 2:51:30.600 something I'll probably talk a little bit more tomorrow or 2:51:30.760 --> 2:51:34.320 the next day after like Kamala's like big speech, and 2:51:34.760 --> 2:51:36.520 if they do win, I think this I think there 2:51:36.520 --> 2:51:38.280 actually is a decent bit of like two thousand and 2:51:38.280 --> 2:51:41.000 eight energy and like, yes, people are excited, there's the 2:51:41.040 --> 2:51:44.680 quote unquote vibe shift. But things didn't go great after 2:51:44.720 --> 2:51:48.200 Obama was elected, famously, like everything just kind of like 2:51:48.800 --> 2:51:51.080 the hope was mostly unfounded, like a. 2:51:51.040 --> 2:51:51.920 Lot of war crimes. 2:51:51.959 --> 2:51:54.760 There's a lot of war crimes and just not that 2:51:54.879 --> 2:51:59.280 much good stuff. Yeah, I mean, the the ACA mattered. 2:51:59.680 --> 2:52:01.800 There are some things that got better after it, but 2:52:01.920 --> 2:52:04.720 the whole fight to get there was so dispiriting, and 2:52:04.760 --> 2:52:08.400 I think that that kind of broke Obama the actual 2:52:08.640 --> 2:52:12.960 like interested in pushing radical change, and then the Republicans 2:52:13.080 --> 2:52:17.040 absolutely swept midterms to such a catastrophic extent, and I'd 2:52:17.040 --> 2:52:20.080 foresee Kamala getting stuck in the same thing that Obama 2:52:20.160 --> 2:52:22.480 did in terms of like it is actually very hard 2:52:22.920 --> 2:52:26.600 to make any substantive progress that helps people. I don't 2:52:26.640 --> 2:52:28.160 know that she's going to have to deal with a 2:52:28.200 --> 2:52:31.240 Republican party that is capable of doing what the Republicans 2:52:31.280 --> 2:52:33.800 did during like the Tea Party menters. That's just that's 2:52:33.800 --> 2:52:36.640 a very different Republican party and the one that exists now, 2:52:36.720 --> 2:52:39.240 the one that exists now has been lobotomized by Trump, 2:52:39.920 --> 2:52:42.480 and well he's going if he's alive, He's going to 2:52:42.520 --> 2:52:45.040 run in twenty twenty eight. Yeah. 2:52:45.120 --> 2:52:47.879 But this this kind of this growing reclamation of the 2:52:47.959 --> 2:52:50.240 patriotism we've already seen it with how like you know, 2:52:50.520 --> 2:52:52.800 the NFL is gone woke, all these things that have 2:52:52.879 --> 2:52:55.960 kind of been more affiliated with like you know, conservatism 2:52:56.080 --> 2:52:59.480 or like you know, like traditional Americana is slowly getting 2:52:59.600 --> 2:53:03.240 swept up more with like the liberal majority, and you know, 2:53:03.400 --> 2:53:04.960 those types of things that have kind of been gate 2:53:05.000 --> 2:53:07.240 kept from liberals for a while, especially especially that kind 2:53:07.240 --> 2:53:10.800 of style of patriotism. And this isn't this isn't necessarily 2:53:10.840 --> 2:53:13.040 a good thing. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just 2:53:13.040 --> 2:53:14.200 saying that this is going to be a trend that 2:53:14.200 --> 2:53:16.000 I think is going to be increasing, and it will 2:53:16.040 --> 2:53:18.520 also lead to, I think a bit more open hostility 2:53:19.080 --> 2:53:22.120 from liberals towards people that are more progressive, towards people 2:53:22.160 --> 2:53:25.280 more on the left, especially protesters, especially protesters who are 2:53:25.280 --> 2:53:28.520 not just doing protests that are big parades and marches. 2:53:29.040 --> 2:53:30.920 And we've already seen that here with a decent bit 2:53:30.920 --> 2:53:35.120 of conflict between you know, more radical attendees and the 2:53:35.120 --> 2:53:37.840 big coalitions with their safety teams. We were seeing a 2:53:37.879 --> 2:53:40.199 lot of fighting over you know, who is more justified, 2:53:40.200 --> 2:53:42.320 what's more valid? What should you be allowed to do 2:53:42.360 --> 2:53:44.400 at a protest like this? And those debates are going 2:53:44.440 --> 2:53:46.959 to continue. I think we're seeing more pressure on that front, 2:53:47.040 --> 2:53:49.520 even from liberals as well. And that's kind of the 2:53:49.520 --> 2:53:51.720 big the big trends that I'm seeing right now as 2:53:51.760 --> 2:53:53.560 we're about like halfway through the DNC. 2:53:53.879 --> 2:53:57.000 Yeah, well, I'm going to finally go to the DNC tonight, 2:53:57.360 --> 2:53:58.199 so that'll be fun. 2:53:58.360 --> 2:53:59.240 I'll show you around. 2:53:59.440 --> 2:54:02.800 Yeah, you can show me around. We're gonna meet Daddy Walls. 2:54:02.840 --> 2:54:08.520 I'll take my anti PTSD meds, all overdose on those meds. 2:54:08.720 --> 2:54:10.720 You can take me to the hospital. It's gonna be 2:54:10.720 --> 2:54:11.560 a nice night, Sophie. 2:54:11.879 --> 2:54:14.080 The good news is there's two more days of this. 2:54:15.040 --> 2:54:16.960 All right, last news I've heard in a while. 2:54:17.520 --> 2:54:18.600 I'm turning off this record. 2:54:18.640 --> 2:54:20.320 I'm going to go leap out of the window. Yeah 2:54:20.320 --> 2:54:21.240 all right, bye bye. 2:54:21.040 --> 2:54:46.640 Bye, welcome back to it could happen here a podcast 2:54:47.120 --> 2:54:51.160 being recorded in Garrison's hotel room, which is thirty percent 2:54:51.280 --> 2:54:53.680 the shopping bags that they got from. 2:54:55.120 --> 2:54:56.080 The Nazi clothing. 2:54:56.080 --> 2:54:57.160 No, you can't say that. 2:54:57.280 --> 2:54:58.520 You cannot say that. 2:54:58.760 --> 2:55:01.360 Well, look, they don't they used to be the Nazi 2:55:01.360 --> 2:55:04.080 clothing store. Now they just make suits right right. 2:55:03.959 --> 2:55:05.640 Buddy, why are you trying to cancel? 2:55:05.720 --> 2:55:08.440 It's a nice blazer. That white blazer you had on 2:55:08.520 --> 2:55:10.879 last night looks good. It's a good blazer. It's it's 2:55:10.879 --> 2:55:13.760 a good look. He's a good lace. Anyway, we're back, 2:55:13.840 --> 2:55:16.920 We're still in Chicago. We are all just exhausted. 2:55:17.320 --> 2:55:18.440 I feel like death. 2:55:18.840 --> 2:55:23.760 I am missing the unhurried, relaxed pace of war zone journalism, 2:55:24.560 --> 2:55:26.840 full nights of sleep, long rides and humvies. 2:55:27.080 --> 2:55:31.680 Even the RNC felt a little bit more male. 2:55:32.080 --> 2:55:33.840 Yeah, I'll tell you what it is. 2:55:34.360 --> 2:55:38.880 They were so unbelievably scheduled at the RNC, where like 2:55:39.000 --> 2:55:43.160 you knew nobody was going to be speaking past ten pm. 2:55:43.320 --> 2:55:44.840 It was done by ten pm. 2:55:45.040 --> 2:55:48.640 We were safely back in our very very bad hotel. 2:55:48.959 --> 2:55:52.360 And the actual physical setup of the event was more. 2:55:52.600 --> 2:55:54.640 For one thing, it's smaller. There's more people here, so 2:55:54.680 --> 2:55:58.000 that makes but it was also kind of I think, 2:55:58.040 --> 2:56:00.120 better laid out for walking and stuff. 2:56:00.160 --> 2:56:02.160 I agree, everything is very spread out here. 2:56:02.200 --> 2:56:05.000 The entrances here to it especially take a lot longer 2:56:05.000 --> 2:56:07.360 to get into. Now. I think that some of that's 2:56:07.480 --> 2:56:09.640 not even on the DNC. It's just the fact that 2:56:09.680 --> 2:56:12.800 the DNC has the president and vice president at it, 2:56:12.920 --> 2:56:16.240 and so it's going to have more security. But yeah, 2:56:16.280 --> 2:56:18.480 it is just fucking exhausting. And I guess probably the 2:56:18.480 --> 2:56:20.840 main reason why Garrison and I are so tired is 2:56:21.240 --> 2:56:24.080 every day has been many thousands of steps of walking 2:56:24.160 --> 2:56:27.640 around Chicago with different protests. So we'll be talking about 2:56:27.680 --> 2:56:29.840 all of that. But we wanted to get into the 2:56:29.879 --> 2:56:33.080 episode by kind of doing some horse race stuff, like 2:56:33.120 --> 2:56:36.600 actually talking about what are we seeing and polling what 2:56:36.640 --> 2:56:39.039 are we seeing in like viewership numbers. So Sophie wanted 2:56:39.080 --> 2:56:43.400 to start with one of our favorite topics, the popularity 2:56:44.040 --> 2:56:46.600 of the various vice presidential candidates. 2:56:46.720 --> 2:56:50.040 Yeah, and like you know, national polls find that, like 2:56:50.640 --> 2:56:55.320 still that both vice presidential nominees are pretty much fighting 2:56:55.320 --> 2:56:59.280 to make themselves known to the US voters. But as 2:56:59.280 --> 2:57:02.480 of this week, and this is before Walls's speech last night, 2:57:02.600 --> 2:57:05.880 so they haven't come back with a poll just yet 2:57:05.920 --> 2:57:08.520 on that part of this week, Walls is viewed more 2:57:08.520 --> 2:57:11.400 favorably than Advanced, with twenty seven percent of US adults 2:57:11.400 --> 2:57:15.920 saying Vance is favorable. Forty four percent find him unfavorable. 2:57:16.320 --> 2:57:19.240 Compared to thirty six percent who think Walls is favorable 2:57:19.280 --> 2:57:22.800 and twenty five percent who find him unfavorable. And interesting 2:57:22.840 --> 2:57:25.920 to note, more Democrats are supportive of Walls sixty two 2:57:25.959 --> 2:57:30.520 percent than Republicans of Vance fifty seven percent, which is. 2:57:30.520 --> 2:57:33.760 Wild, but also very consistent with what we saw at 2:57:33.760 --> 2:57:37.920 the RNC, where Like at the Heritage Foundation event, which 2:57:38.680 --> 2:57:41.560 Vance is supposed to be their man, no one would 2:57:41.600 --> 2:57:43.520 say a nice thing at him. Like at the Heritage 2:57:43.520 --> 2:57:46.560 Foundation event, I could not hear a good word about JD. 2:57:46.680 --> 2:57:50.119 Vance the night of his speech, Whereas the sheer number 2:57:50.120 --> 2:57:53.480 of dims that I've seen with Coach Walls signs last night, 2:57:53.520 --> 2:57:56.720 including people like walking up to and interacting with folks 2:57:56.720 --> 2:57:59.960 at the uncommitted demonstration in front of the Convention Center, 2:58:00.440 --> 2:58:03.400 was like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds, Like, I haven't 2:58:03.440 --> 2:58:04.240 seen any JD. 2:58:04.320 --> 2:58:08.800 Vans people genuinely liked Tim Walls versus I don't think 2:58:08.800 --> 2:58:13.080 I heard a single person at the RNC give any 2:58:13.160 --> 2:58:18.640 inclination that they deeply liked JD. Vans, Particularly when he 2:58:18.720 --> 2:58:22.359 was speaking, people were very much asleep. 2:58:22.200 --> 2:58:22.680 Very bored. 2:58:23.120 --> 2:58:26.039 It's I mean, it's reinforced that so far outside of 2:58:26.040 --> 2:58:29.440 Biden's stepping down. Picking walls is the best decision I've 2:58:29.440 --> 2:58:30.640 seen the DIMS make this year. 2:58:31.040 --> 2:58:33.480 He got a great reaction from the crowd last night. 2:58:33.800 --> 2:58:36.040 Yeah, so I wanted to talk a little bit about 2:58:36.240 --> 2:58:38.680 kind of what we're seeing and polling. At least according 2:58:38.720 --> 2:58:42.480 to Nate Silver's analysis, there's a tiny tick down between 2:58:42.520 --> 2:58:46.280 Tuesday and Wednesday and commalist chances Visa v. Trump just 2:58:46.320 --> 2:58:48.920 based on some poles that had come out. All of 2:58:48.959 --> 2:58:51.440 that's kind of it's you can't really tell if there's 2:58:51.480 --> 2:58:54.080 going to be a convention bump until after the convention, 2:58:54.280 --> 2:58:56.800 so one way or the other, I wouldn't read too 2:58:56.879 --> 2:58:59.640 much into that. What is kind of worth reading into 2:58:59.879 --> 2:59:05.640 is is the comparative popularity of the DNC televised speeches 2:59:05.680 --> 2:59:09.480 with the RNC, And so far from Monday through Wednesday, 2:59:09.600 --> 2:59:13.440 the DNC is ahead, and on Tuesday in particular, they 2:59:13.440 --> 2:59:16.880 were well ahead with Barack Obama and Michelle both speaking. 2:59:17.400 --> 2:59:21.440 That got something like five million more viewers than the 2:59:21.480 --> 2:59:25.320 comparative night at the RNC, which is a really significant 2:59:25.480 --> 2:59:28.840 and all of these is obviously beating twenty twenty. It's 2:59:28.920 --> 2:59:32.680 kind of unclear the biggest night for the RNC was Thursday, 2:59:33.720 --> 2:59:36.400 So we'll see if Kamala can crack the twenty eight 2:59:36.480 --> 2:59:39.240 or twenty nine million viewers that Trump got the height 2:59:39.320 --> 2:59:43.480 of his event, but so far a sizeable like maybe 2:59:43.560 --> 2:59:46.480 fifteen to twenty percent edge for the DIMS in terms 2:59:46.520 --> 2:59:48.959 of viewership. And obviously you have to keep in mind 2:59:48.959 --> 2:59:52.520 that like half of the people listening to any convention 2:59:52.600 --> 2:59:55.199 are not necessarily supporters of that cannonet. They're just people 2:59:55.200 --> 2:59:59.120 who want to be informed. But it furthers the narrative 2:59:59.160 --> 3:00:02.840 that there is a lot of energy behind the DIMS 3:00:02.920 --> 3:00:05.200 right now, that kind of like vibe thing that people 3:00:05.200 --> 3:00:05.640 have been. 3:00:05.480 --> 3:00:09.800 Talking about and speaking of vibes, speaking of vibes, Boy howdy. 3:00:10.280 --> 3:00:12.959 We wanted to end this segment before we get into 3:00:13.320 --> 3:00:17.400 the pro Palestine protests and the uncommitted sit in that's 3:00:17.400 --> 3:00:21.039 still going on at the convention center by talking just 3:00:21.080 --> 3:00:23.400 one more time about jd Vance, who, while all of 3:00:23.400 --> 3:00:26.960 this is going on, yesterday, as Tim Wallas was preparing 3:00:27.000 --> 3:00:31.160 his speech at the DNC, jd Vance visited a donut shop, 3:00:31.480 --> 3:00:33.320 and we're just going to play you audio of him 3:00:33.320 --> 3:00:36.840 talking to employees at the donut shop trying to trying 3:00:36.879 --> 3:00:39.480 to get a photo opportunity or a good video clip. 3:00:40.560 --> 3:00:42.240 The zoom has come to tell thank you for let 3:00:42.360 --> 3:00:42.879 us coming here. 3:00:43.640 --> 3:00:51.080 Okay, well sorry, okay, yeah, she doesn't want to be 3:00:51.160 --> 3:00:52.960 on film, guys, so just cut her out of anything. 3:00:53.320 --> 3:00:56.840 Appreciate that man of Jade Dance American vice President. 3:00:56.879 --> 3:00:57.320 They see it. 3:00:57.520 --> 3:01:02.840 Okay, I'm years the game answer man. 3:01:03.000 --> 3:01:07.760 Okay, okay, good, how about you, sir? 3:01:08.440 --> 3:01:09.600 And then almost two. 3:01:09.560 --> 3:01:11.720 Years okay, good, helps to everything. 3:01:11.760 --> 3:01:14.520 Yeah, a lot of glaze to here, some sprinkle stuff, 3:01:15.040 --> 3:01:17.920 somebody sending the roles. Just my experience as play for 3:01:18.000 --> 3:01:21.320 a round four years, about four years. 3:01:21.520 --> 3:01:23.480 Okay, how have you been here? 3:01:24.160 --> 3:01:25.280 Okay? 3:01:25.400 --> 3:01:25.920 Good? 3:01:26.400 --> 3:01:30.560 Quite literally nobody has ever been worse at interacting them beings? 3:01:31.080 --> 3:01:33.600 What is wrong with good? 3:01:33.760 --> 3:01:36.199 Okay, good? Good? Yeah. 3:01:36.200 --> 3:01:37.440 That was by the way in Georgia. 3:01:37.520 --> 3:01:39.480 Oh Georgia, great, great. I'm JD. 3:01:39.640 --> 3:01:41.560 Vance. I'm running for vice president. 3:01:41.680 --> 3:01:45.480 Okay, okay. If I wanted to win Georgia, that was Trump. JD. 3:01:45.600 --> 3:01:47.959 Fance is the last man I would send to the 3:01:48.000 --> 3:01:48.880 state of Georgia. 3:01:50.160 --> 3:01:52.680 I'm JD Vance. Oh God, but I'm JD Vance. 3:01:52.840 --> 3:01:54.440 Okay, okay, all right. 3:01:56.200 --> 3:01:59.480 It was like that SNL Pete Davidson skit where he 3:01:59.560 --> 3:01:59.840 just goes. 3:02:01.200 --> 3:02:03.120 He just orders a random assortment of dome. 3:02:03.280 --> 3:02:05.240 That's how everyone should react to JD. 3:02:05.320 --> 3:02:09.280 Vance. Okay, Like if he loses, that's going to be 3:02:09.320 --> 3:02:11.640 the rest of his life. Is him showing up places 3:02:11.640 --> 3:02:18.039 going I'm JD Vance and people going, all right. 3:02:16.360 --> 3:02:20.360 Please stay away from my Childrenyody, you're about to tell 3:02:20.400 --> 3:02:22.680 me that you can't be within one hundred meters. 3:02:22.440 --> 3:02:26.640 Of a school. Yeah, seriously, sow that beard looks anyway. Ads, 3:02:26.879 --> 3:02:41.560 here's some ads. We're back and yeah. So the protests 3:02:41.560 --> 3:02:44.720 have continued. Garrison and I nearly got arrested during a 3:02:44.800 --> 3:02:48.000 kettle that wound up being about sixty It looked like 3:02:48.040 --> 3:02:50.640 people who were both sighted and arrested. Most of those 3:02:50.640 --> 3:02:53.360 people cited and released on the scene. A couple about 3:02:53.360 --> 3:02:56.280 two dozen or so actually arrested, including four members of 3:02:56.320 --> 3:03:02.039 the press. Pretty nasty scene. Yesterday was very different. There 3:03:02.120 --> 3:03:06.240 was a protest march that moved up to the gates 3:03:06.280 --> 3:03:09.160 of the convention and then marched back. There were a 3:03:09.200 --> 3:03:11.360 couple of moments where like police would grab people that 3:03:11.400 --> 3:03:15.000 happened at the train station and detain them, but ultimately 3:03:15.120 --> 3:03:18.800 did not significant numbers of arrests, at least from what 3:03:18.879 --> 3:03:21.720 I saw, and from talking to people, it did sound 3:03:21.760 --> 3:03:24.879 like they were mostly kind of detaining and releasing. We 3:03:24.920 --> 3:03:27.320 had not intended to do more protests last night, just 3:03:27.360 --> 3:03:29.959 because the first two nights were supposed to be the largest, 3:03:30.000 --> 3:03:33.199 and I had not even been to the DNC until 3:03:33.280 --> 3:03:35.800 last afternoon actually passed the gate, so we all went 3:03:35.840 --> 3:03:38.959 in together. We watched a couple of speeches. Thank god, 3:03:39.040 --> 3:03:41.400 I got to catch the Bill Clinton speech. Oh my god, 3:03:41.480 --> 3:03:42.640 I don't wanted to miss that. 3:03:42.760 --> 3:03:45.720 Barn Berners' affiliate Bill Clinton. 3:03:45.920 --> 3:03:48.720 Oh wow, So he sounded almost closer to death than 3:03:48.760 --> 3:03:51.160 Joe Biden. Yeah, which was just shocked. Bisen sounds a 3:03:51.200 --> 3:03:52.520 lot better now. Yeah. 3:03:52.560 --> 3:03:55.760 He also spoke very early on in the night, and 3:03:55.800 --> 3:03:57.959 his speech was so long. 3:03:58.040 --> 3:04:00.520 It wasn't great, and it was bad. It was I 3:04:00.560 --> 3:04:01.840 don't know why speech. 3:04:02.000 --> 3:04:03.880 Don't speak for that long if your speech is bad. 3:04:03.959 --> 3:04:06.080 But also just like, don't invite him in the first place. 3:04:06.879 --> 3:04:11.039 It's because, probably because of the sheet amount of clout 3:04:11.120 --> 3:04:13.320 that the Clintons have within the Democratic Party still to 3:04:13.360 --> 3:04:17.280 this day, because if you don't have Bill there, well, 3:04:17.280 --> 3:04:19.920 they also they wanted Hillary, and Hillary did get a 3:04:19.959 --> 3:04:24.520 big reaction, and I'm sure Hillary dislikes Bill Clinton as 3:04:24.560 --> 3:04:27.560 much as anyone. Sure, but for a variety of complicated 3:04:27.600 --> 3:04:31.320 and stupid reasons, you can't both have Hillary Clinton and 3:04:31.760 --> 3:04:35.400 exclude Bill and repeatedly attack Trump for his Epstein connections. 3:04:35.480 --> 3:04:37.959 It just doesn't work very well, which is why they 3:04:38.000 --> 3:04:41.560 shouldn't have had any Clinton's there and hit on Trump 3:04:41.600 --> 3:04:44.000 for being a pedophile. But yes, I don't know. 3:04:44.280 --> 3:04:48.240 He spoke for so long I can't it set me 3:04:48.320 --> 3:04:49.160 over the edge. 3:04:49.360 --> 3:04:51.320 It was fine. It was not like you're just kind 3:04:51.320 --> 3:04:55.720 of boring, Thankfully, more important things happened, if not inside 3:04:55.760 --> 3:04:59.160 the DNC, just just outside, yes, the actual United Center 3:04:59.240 --> 3:05:01.800 like stadium, still inside the security perimeter. So while we 3:05:01.800 --> 3:05:05.480 were watching Mindy Kaling talk about how she should be 3:05:05.520 --> 3:05:08.080 the ambassador to Italy, which I know was a bit 3:05:08.160 --> 3:05:11.440 but I was just not in the mood. Now we 3:05:11.480 --> 3:05:15.040 start I start getting like updates from there's a journalist 3:05:15.040 --> 3:05:18.800 on the ground, Prem Thacker, who was outside with some 3:05:18.920 --> 3:05:23.119 representatives of the uncommitted movement. So the uncommitted movement started 3:05:23.200 --> 3:05:26.200 as Democrats who were voting uncommitted in the primaries in 3:05:26.280 --> 3:05:28.600 order to make a point about, you know, the fact 3:05:28.640 --> 3:05:33.080 that there is significant solidarity among the Democratic voters with 3:05:33.240 --> 3:05:37.200 Gaza and that if Democrats do not do something more 3:05:37.240 --> 3:05:39.920 than the thoughts in prayers, they won't get those votes. 3:05:40.440 --> 3:05:44.480 And particularly Chicago massive Palestinian population, it could be something 3:05:44.520 --> 3:05:47.160 that you know matters in some of the swing states. 3:05:47.720 --> 3:05:51.160 So the uncommitted movement has kind of coalesced over the 3:05:51.200 --> 3:05:55.880 last couple of months into a group of delegates who 3:05:56.000 --> 3:05:59.080 are again we're not talking about like the folks marching outside. 3:05:59.080 --> 3:06:01.240 These are not people who are just like committed radicals. 3:06:01.280 --> 3:06:04.360 Are're certainly not communists. I heard a number of folks 3:06:04.400 --> 3:06:07.039 who engaged with people from the DNC who were and again, 3:06:07.080 --> 3:06:11.680 these are members of the uncommitted movement wearing like Palestinian scarves, 3:06:12.040 --> 3:06:14.560 who specifically like would say I think Israel has a 3:06:14.640 --> 3:06:15.680 right to defend itself. 3:06:15.840 --> 3:06:18.080 Describe these folks as moderate Democrats. 3:06:19.040 --> 3:06:21.959 It's a mix of moderate, moderate and like radical Democrat, 3:06:22.000 --> 3:06:26.040 but Democrats right progressive, progressive. And the point I'm making 3:06:26.080 --> 3:06:27.800 about like I heard a couple of them say no, 3:06:27.840 --> 3:06:29.920 I think Israel has a right to defend itself is 3:06:29.959 --> 3:06:33.240 not that I think that's a particularly valid thing to mention, 3:06:33.400 --> 3:06:36.280 but that it shows you the level of rhetoric which 3:06:36.400 --> 3:06:40.520 they were taking pains to be speaking within the bounds 3:06:40.520 --> 3:06:46.880 of extremely acceptable Democratic Party rhetoric. Right, we are loyal Democrats. 3:06:47.000 --> 3:06:49.480 We were very excited. I listened to a couple of 3:06:49.520 --> 3:06:53.520 representatives of the movement give speeches. One of them was 3:06:53.800 --> 3:06:56.760 Delegate June Rose, which in my initial threat I think 3:06:56.760 --> 3:06:58.960 I went with he him, but I believe their pronouns 3:06:58.959 --> 3:07:02.680 are they them? And Rose basically mentioned this is a 3:07:02.760 --> 3:07:05.000 quote from them. When President Biden was the nominee, I 3:07:05.040 --> 3:07:07.480 felt hopeless. And this is both because Biden was providing 3:07:07.520 --> 3:07:10.240 Israel with bombs and because he could not win. This 3:07:10.280 --> 3:07:12.800 is a quote from them. When Harris was chosen, I 3:07:12.840 --> 3:07:16.080 heard empathy in her voice for Palestinian suffering. But then 3:07:16.160 --> 3:07:20.320 June says they remembered what Democrats give Republicans shit for saying, 3:07:20.440 --> 3:07:23.280 you know, thoughts and prayers after mass shootings, And I 3:07:23.280 --> 3:07:26.200 thought that was a valid point to make. Right a 3:07:26.240 --> 3:07:29.280 month ago, the fact that dimm's had really changed their 3:07:29.280 --> 3:07:32.880 messaging on Gaza sounded like it could be the start 3:07:32.920 --> 3:07:35.280 of something promising, but it hasn't led to any kind 3:07:35.280 --> 3:07:38.840 of like strong commitment for actually anything actionable. Right, just 3:07:38.879 --> 3:07:42.280 saying I support a ceasefire isn't enough when people are 3:07:42.280 --> 3:07:45.920 getting killed. It's not like an actual commitment to, for example, 3:07:45.959 --> 3:07:49.760 stop sending Israel arms now. To be totally fair, I 3:07:49.800 --> 3:07:52.960 don't want to be flattening this too much. There have 3:07:53.120 --> 3:07:59.400 been some significant concessions from the DNC to Palestinian solidarity movement, right, 3:08:00.120 --> 3:08:03.240 not just a number of mentions and embraces of ceasefires 3:08:03.240 --> 3:08:06.880 from multiple speakers that got massive lines of applause. But Sophie, 3:08:06.920 --> 3:08:08.760 you went to the panel that the DNC put on 3:08:09.120 --> 3:08:11.760 with doctors who had just been working in Gaza, and 3:08:11.840 --> 3:08:13.200 that particularly. 3:08:12.800 --> 3:08:14.879 It was a verse of its kind panel. 3:08:14.560 --> 3:08:18.960 And that I would say more than people advocating a ceasefire, 3:08:18.959 --> 3:08:21.200 and their speech is that's not nothing right like that, 3:08:21.240 --> 3:08:22.320 that's an actual no. 3:08:22.680 --> 3:08:26.760 And Robert June also posted that over two hundred and 3:08:26.800 --> 3:08:31.240 eighty Harris delegates have signed their letter demanding a permanent 3:08:31.320 --> 3:08:35.240 ceasefire in arms embargo and says not another bomb, which 3:08:35.240 --> 3:08:36.680 is which was one of the signs that they had 3:08:36.760 --> 3:08:39.760 last night. So that two hundred, over two hundred eighty 3:08:39.760 --> 3:08:42.840 Harris delegates, that is not insignificant. 3:08:42.400 --> 3:08:45.280 No, that's a and those people you know come here 3:08:45.320 --> 3:08:49.359 representing you know, a large significantly larger number of voters. 3:08:49.560 --> 3:08:53.920 So what had happened outside of the United Center is uncommitted. 3:08:54.160 --> 3:08:56.680 Led by the co founder of the organization, A Boss 3:08:56.720 --> 3:09:00.000 all Away, we're essentially engaging in a sit in, although 3:09:00.080 --> 3:09:02.360 A Boss was very open about like, I don't want 3:09:02.360 --> 3:09:04.199 this to be a set in. I want to go home. 3:09:04.360 --> 3:09:07.400 I'm very tired, my feet hurt. I am just waiting 3:09:07.440 --> 3:09:11.520 for a call. We presented the DNC some time ago. 3:09:11.640 --> 3:09:13.840 The conversations really started about a month ago. They were 3:09:13.920 --> 3:09:17.160 initially trying to get a doctor a five minute speaking 3:09:17.160 --> 3:09:20.480 slot at the DNC to talk about medical care for 3:09:20.640 --> 3:09:23.840 children in Gaza. That has evolved over time into they 3:09:23.840 --> 3:09:27.360 have a list of Palestinian American Democrats who they were 3:09:27.360 --> 3:09:30.280 willing to let the DNC pick from and let them 3:09:30.360 --> 3:09:31.599 vet a speech. 3:09:31.400 --> 3:09:33.720 Including some who have endorsed terrorists already. 3:09:33.840 --> 3:09:36.039 From what I was listening to, all of this was 3:09:36.120 --> 3:09:39.320 very much in the context of and endorsing Harris right. 3:09:39.840 --> 3:09:41.280 I've seen a lot of people be like, yeah, but 3:09:41.320 --> 3:09:44.480 what if they come up and attack the Democratic Party 3:09:44.480 --> 3:09:47.200 and call you know them genocide supporters or whatnot. And 3:09:47.840 --> 3:09:50.640 I don't get that feeling from this group of people. Now, 3:09:50.920 --> 3:09:53.080 I understand if you're like, well, that's what they should do. 3:09:53.120 --> 3:09:57.160 But these folks are not coming at this and certainly 3:09:57.200 --> 3:10:00.480 not framing themselves as we are radical left. They're framing 3:10:00.520 --> 3:10:03.920 themselves as we are normal Democrats who want to see 3:10:03.959 --> 3:10:08.280 the Democratic Party acknowledge the humanity of Palestinians and also 3:10:08.360 --> 3:10:12.720 start taking real steps to reduce and mitigate the violence 3:10:12.720 --> 3:10:14.480 that is really able to do over there. And that's 3:10:14.480 --> 3:10:16.680 what these people were standing for. 3:10:16.800 --> 3:10:18.560 And at least in terms of the actually d NC 3:10:18.879 --> 3:10:21.840 like convention at the United Center, the fact that they 3:10:21.840 --> 3:10:23.480 do not want to do this and would rather just 3:10:23.560 --> 3:10:25.760 continue like this big like party to. 3:10:25.840 --> 3:10:28.000 Be partying with you is really part of the vibe 3:10:28.000 --> 3:10:28.720 that they were getting on. 3:10:29.040 --> 3:10:31.959 Sure, and but the dn Z doesn't even want that 3:10:32.320 --> 3:10:35.320 to like put at risk this whole vibe shift party 3:10:35.320 --> 3:10:37.920 that they have going on, and that that is like, 3:10:38.240 --> 3:10:40.959 you know, a massive issue. And similarly, we had we 3:10:41.000 --> 3:10:44.039 had videos coming out last night of DNC attendees leaving 3:10:44.120 --> 3:10:46.960 the area plugging their ears as as people read out 3:10:47.160 --> 3:10:50.320 like names of dead Palestinian children. It just creates this 3:10:50.440 --> 3:10:54.440 overwhelming like atmosphere that these people don't want to be 3:10:54.560 --> 3:10:58.039 inconvenienced by the genocide and the genocide for them, it 3:10:58.160 --> 3:11:01.520 just is a political inconvenience that's phibiting them from stopping 3:11:01.560 --> 3:11:04.600 Trump and prohibiting them from just making this big like 3:11:05.120 --> 3:11:05.880 Kamala Party. 3:11:06.240 --> 3:11:08.680 And it is very much an own goal because one 3:11:08.680 --> 3:11:10.440 thing I will say, if I'm trying again, if I'm 3:11:10.480 --> 3:11:13.160 trying to be fair, is when I saw people leaving 3:11:13.360 --> 3:11:16.240 the event, I saw people who got angry. I saw 3:11:16.280 --> 3:11:18.840 people who tried to ignore it, and I also saw 3:11:18.879 --> 3:11:21.920 a decent number of people come up and engage politely 3:11:22.040 --> 3:11:24.640 and with interest in the people who were doing a 3:11:24.680 --> 3:11:27.920 sit in. Yes, And in fact, before the event let out, 3:11:27.959 --> 3:11:31.040 there were maybe one hundred people including press around the 3:11:31.080 --> 3:11:33.000 un committed sit in, and it was a couple hundred 3:11:33.000 --> 3:11:34.840 when I left, get a lot of infinitely people who 3:11:34.840 --> 3:11:37.240 had come out. And so it is not it is 3:11:37.280 --> 3:11:40.560 not fair to say, but when you have people reading 3:11:40.600 --> 3:11:43.760 out the names of folks killed in a genocide leaving 3:11:43.840 --> 3:11:47.480 an event, and you get any photos of Democrats leaving 3:11:47.480 --> 3:11:49.760 plugging their ears, that's that's the image that's going to 3:11:49.800 --> 3:11:52.879 stick with people, right, And that was obvious going into this. 3:11:53.560 --> 3:11:55.560 It's a sign number one, I think of how scared 3:11:56.000 --> 3:11:59.320 people are of a pack, but also of kind of 3:11:59.360 --> 3:12:03.040 the lack of trust that the DNC leadership has in 3:12:03.080 --> 3:12:08.400 anyone Palestinian being able to balance being a Democrat with 3:12:08.879 --> 3:12:13.440 wanting to end a genocide. And you know, again, I 3:12:13.480 --> 3:12:16.879 think that probably a lot of folks who were outside 3:12:16.879 --> 3:12:19.320 of the event at the more radical protests would be 3:12:19.400 --> 3:12:23.359 frustrated by some of the language that I heard uncommitted 3:12:23.440 --> 3:12:27.160 representatives use. But I think that sit in is having 3:12:27.200 --> 3:12:29.840 more of an impact than any of the demonstrations outside 3:12:30.040 --> 3:12:32.240 right because it's right in the middle of the DNC. 3:12:32.440 --> 3:12:36.680 It's impossible to ignore, and you cannot write these people 3:12:37.040 --> 3:12:41.000 off as protesters who are out there breaking the law. 3:12:41.160 --> 3:12:42.760 You know, there's a guy with a hes Bula flag. 3:12:42.760 --> 3:12:44.440 Why are they walking around the hes bull of flag. 3:12:44.720 --> 3:12:48.240 These are people who's messaging is as moderated as it 3:12:48.280 --> 3:12:51.240 could possibly be. They just want the reality of a 3:12:51.240 --> 3:12:54.240 genocide to be acknowledged, which is not a big ask 3:12:54.360 --> 3:12:55.120 in my opinion. 3:12:55.520 --> 3:13:00.760 Yeah, and did you go to any other protests that night, Robert, Yes, 3:13:00.840 --> 3:13:01.480 I shared did. 3:13:02.040 --> 3:13:04.720 Garrison and I had several drinks at the hotel, which 3:13:04.760 --> 3:13:06.920 we've been doing because you know, when you get a 3:13:07.040 --> 3:13:09.840 chance to sit with your friend both wearing your nice 3:13:09.879 --> 3:13:14.400 suit and act world weary at a political convention. It's 3:13:14.440 --> 3:13:17.080 really nice. I wish we could still smoke indoors Garrison. 3:13:17.520 --> 3:13:20.440 We'd be four packs of pall mall into this by now. 3:13:20.520 --> 3:13:21.800 Once we get back to Vegas. 3:13:21.920 --> 3:13:25.480 Once we get back to Vegas, cees right around the corner, buddy, 3:13:25.959 --> 3:13:28.400 I'm so sorry. So like at one am, and at 3:13:28.440 --> 3:13:31.400 one am in the morning, we go to bed, just 3:13:31.440 --> 3:13:35.000 fucking exhausted, and there had been sort of word that 3:13:35.240 --> 3:13:38.760 was supposed to be some kind of radical demonstration, and 3:13:39.840 --> 3:13:42.120 it was unclear exactly what was going to happen. And 3:13:42.160 --> 3:13:44.280 then right as I got up to my hotel room, 3:13:44.440 --> 3:13:47.039 I saw from one of the reporters I cover on 3:13:47.040 --> 3:13:51.160 the ground here, Talia Jane at Talia OTG, that a 3:13:51.280 --> 3:13:54.080 noise demonstration had opened up outside of the They'd figured 3:13:54.120 --> 3:13:57.119 out what Hotel Kamala Harris is at and had started 3:13:57.160 --> 3:13:59.600 doing a noise demonstration, just making as much noise outside 3:13:59.600 --> 3:14:01.920 of the hotel well as possible. And it was like 3:14:01.959 --> 3:14:04.160 a block away from us. So down the street I 3:14:04.200 --> 3:14:07.800 went maybe one hundred people or so, including one individual 3:14:07.840 --> 3:14:10.640 with a flute playing as badly as they possibly could 3:14:10.640 --> 3:14:12.880 while standing as close to the police riot line as 3:14:12.879 --> 3:14:19.480 they possibly care. A hero. A hero it was, And yeah, 3:14:19.480 --> 3:14:22.160 it was interesting because when I got there, I expected 3:14:22.200 --> 3:14:25.480 because the police were telling people to move. They were 3:14:25.520 --> 3:14:27.800 in front of the President's hotel. It was one in 3:14:27.840 --> 3:14:29.520 the morning, and they were being very loud in front 3:14:29.520 --> 3:14:32.240 of people who have money, So I kind of expected, Okay, 3:14:32.520 --> 3:14:34.160 wagons are going to come in and people are going 3:14:34.160 --> 3:14:36.720 to get the absolute shit beat out of them. But 3:14:37.320 --> 3:14:40.279 nothing happened. The cops didn't even keep a tight cordon. 3:14:40.800 --> 3:14:43.520 There was clearly no as we saw last night, there 3:14:43.560 --> 3:14:46.800 was no walling in the protest. There was no sign 3:14:46.840 --> 3:14:50.080 that they considered this something that needed to be met 3:14:50.080 --> 3:14:52.720 with a significant degree of force. I kind of think 3:14:52.760 --> 3:14:55.160 some of it maybe that they were tired too, because 3:14:55.640 --> 3:14:58.280 they looked exhausted, So I wonder how much of it 3:14:58.320 --> 3:15:01.080 is that. I think it also they got supp as 3:15:01.080 --> 3:15:03.959 opposed to yesterday, where they came in knowing, Okay, this 3:15:04.080 --> 3:15:07.120 is supposed to be a radical militant demo, so we're 3:15:07.160 --> 3:15:09.720 going to have an overwhelming force response. I think they 3:15:09.800 --> 3:15:12.640 just had some teams show up and kind of catches 3:15:12.680 --> 3:15:15.560 catch can handle the event. But you know, they played 3:15:15.560 --> 3:15:18.560 around outside of Harris's place for thirty or forty minutes 3:15:18.600 --> 3:15:21.240 and then marched on and dispersed, And it was fine, 3:15:21.240 --> 3:15:24.160 no arrests that I saw whatsoever, pretty calm night. 3:15:24.320 --> 3:15:25.879 And I believe the actual hotel she was staying it 3:15:25.920 --> 3:15:27.400 was actually like a like a one or two blocks 3:15:27.440 --> 3:15:29.040 over they it was fortified. 3:15:29.080 --> 3:15:31.000 It's a fortress. Right, You're not going to get that close. 3:15:31.120 --> 3:15:35.680 It's the Secret Service like headquarters essentially. Right, the vice 3:15:35.720 --> 3:15:38.240 president is sleeping in the building here. There's not going 3:15:38.320 --> 3:15:41.440 to be protesters directly outside on the sidewalk. They're going 3:15:41.520 --> 3:15:43.800 to have some kind of radius. Yeah, people got as 3:15:43.840 --> 3:15:46.520 close as they could to what they believed the hotel was, 3:15:46.920 --> 3:15:48.720 but you know, it's not like they're going to be 3:15:48.720 --> 3:15:50.760 thrown eggs on the window of the Vice president. 3:15:50.920 --> 3:15:51.000 No. 3:15:51.080 --> 3:15:54.119 And I didn't even see any implication that people wanted 3:15:54.160 --> 3:15:56.080 to do that. I have not, at any of these 3:15:56.120 --> 3:16:01.600 demonstrations seen any sort of cohesive committed property destruction or 3:16:01.640 --> 3:16:04.320 even like a hint that people are thinking of property. 3:16:04.520 --> 3:16:06.800 These are and part because I think most of the 3:16:06.840 --> 3:16:09.200 people have seen have been younger. They seem to be 3:16:09.320 --> 3:16:12.440 newer to this kind of protest. It seems like a 3:16:12.520 --> 3:16:16.200 younger movement is the core of things here, and I 3:16:16.240 --> 3:16:18.959 don't think if they ever do, I certainly they have 3:16:19.080 --> 3:16:21.720 not yet psyched themselves up to that kind of direct action. 3:16:22.000 --> 3:16:24.480 Yeah, all right, we will go on an that break 3:16:24.520 --> 3:16:25.960 and come back to hear about a few of the 3:16:26.000 --> 3:16:28.600 other speeches that took place last night at the DNC, 3:16:28.879 --> 3:16:30.560 including Governor Tim Walls. 3:16:30.640 --> 3:16:44.360 So the window, Okay, we could, So we're back. I 3:16:44.400 --> 3:16:46.080 did want to note before we get into this that 3:16:46.400 --> 3:16:49.400 Texas delegate who was in the South side of Chicago 3:16:49.520 --> 3:16:52.320 got robbed last night. Oh yes, which is not surprising 3:16:52.360 --> 3:16:54.680 because the South side of Chicago is the baddest part 3:16:54.720 --> 3:16:57.360 of town. And as I was warned before coming here, 3:16:57.360 --> 3:17:00.200 if you get down there, you'd better be aware. A 3:17:00.200 --> 3:17:01.360 man named Leroy Brown. 3:17:01.520 --> 3:17:02.959 All right, anyways, scarus. 3:17:03.040 --> 3:17:05.280 He stands about six foot four, so this week has 3:17:05.360 --> 3:17:09.360 lasted a month. I've aged all the downtown ladies call 3:17:09.400 --> 3:17:12.280 him treetop Lover, but before the men just call him 3:17:12.320 --> 3:17:14.760 sir if you were curious about his pronouns. 3:17:14.800 --> 3:17:16.480 I'm just trying to make sure that we refer to 3:17:16.879 --> 3:17:20.200 So the theme for Wednesday night inside the DNC was 3:17:20.320 --> 3:17:23.039 a fight for our democracy and with like a big 3:17:23.080 --> 3:17:26.039 emphasis on like trying to maintain the freedoms that we 3:17:26.160 --> 3:17:28.879 now have. There's a lot of we're not going back 3:17:29.000 --> 3:17:30.279 chance that kind of stuff. 3:17:30.320 --> 3:17:30.680 A lot of. 3:17:30.680 --> 3:17:34.360 Speech is focused on redefining freedom. Yes, and curious this. 3:17:34.360 --> 3:17:36.000 Is this is kind of part of like this like 3:17:36.120 --> 3:17:39.400 liberal reclaiming of like patreat has been freedom that I've 3:17:39.520 --> 3:17:42.000 that I've kind of been talking about these past few weeks. 3:17:42.080 --> 3:17:44.000 It's probably the smartest thing they could be doing. 3:17:44.400 --> 3:17:47.200 Yes, So this was kind of the main push not 3:17:47.240 --> 3:17:50.240 only how Democrats will continue to secure these freedoms, but 3:17:50.400 --> 3:17:54.080 if Trump is elected, these freedoms will be gone and people. 3:17:54.120 --> 3:17:57.160 The judge gave an okay speech, you know, talking about 3:17:57.160 --> 3:17:59.800 how his current life being married with kids was like, 3:18:00.120 --> 3:18:03.320 you know, impossible twenty five years ago, and if Project 3:18:03.360 --> 3:18:06.440 twenty twenty five gets enacted, it will be no longer 3:18:06.480 --> 3:18:08.840 possible anymore. So, like a lot of stuff kind of 3:18:08.920 --> 3:18:12.000 like that. Oprah Winfrey showed up and gave a very 3:18:12.040 --> 3:18:12.760 long speech. 3:18:13.520 --> 3:18:17.640 I did have a moment of very jarring disconnect where 3:18:17.680 --> 3:18:20.800 as I listened to the boss who was openly weeping 3:18:20.920 --> 3:18:23.840 talking about his grandmother having to flee her home in 3:18:23.920 --> 3:18:26.840 Lebanon as it was bombed and then I look up 3:18:26.920 --> 3:18:29.400 as this man is crying on the ground talking about 3:18:29.400 --> 3:18:32.640 his grandmother fleeing bombs, and there's Oprah Winfrey's giant head 3:18:32.680 --> 3:18:34.360 speaking on the JumboTron above me. 3:18:34.680 --> 3:18:36.160 Yeah, similar to the RNZ. 3:18:36.440 --> 3:18:41.280 When the crowd started enchanting Usa, Usa, Usa during Oprah's speech, 3:18:41.680 --> 3:18:44.480 I got one of what those alert said my smart 3:18:44.480 --> 3:18:48.240 watch that my heart was a little too high, which 3:18:48.280 --> 3:18:49.840 again very funny. 3:18:50.120 --> 3:18:52.720 That's all that it takes to trigger my poor little heart. 3:18:52.800 --> 3:18:57.520 I got some magnesia and supplement, Sophie. Let's take though. 3:18:58.280 --> 3:19:00.680 And then even though there's just all this like you know, freedom, 3:19:01.160 --> 3:19:03.800 democracy stuff, there was also some of the most conservative 3:19:03.840 --> 3:19:06.280 speakers of the night were also here. There was there 3:19:06.600 --> 3:19:09.119 was a few police officers. There was a sheriff talking 3:19:09.160 --> 3:19:12.280 about the border and how how Trump killed the most 3:19:12.400 --> 3:19:16.640 secure border bill. Even though they're denying any any Palestinian 3:19:16.800 --> 3:19:19.560 to speak on the main stage, they are inviting like 3:19:19.760 --> 3:19:25.400 former Trump co workers, a sheriff, a police officers. So 3:19:25.520 --> 3:19:28.440 all of these guys are speaking, which people are similarly 3:19:28.480 --> 3:19:32.000 pointing to, is is you know, showcasing what exactly the 3:19:32.080 --> 3:19:34.840 DNC I think actually cares about right now? But I 3:19:34.879 --> 3:19:37.360 think I just want to go straight over to mister 3:19:37.560 --> 3:19:41.959 Walls Coach Walls. Right before he came out, volunteers at 3:19:41.959 --> 3:19:45.520 the convention center were handing out these big coach Walls signs. 3:19:45.560 --> 3:19:47.840 There must have must have been thousands of them just 3:19:47.959 --> 3:19:50.200 handing them out to like everyone on the floor, almost 3:19:50.240 --> 3:19:53.360 everyone in the stands, just the whole the whole stadium 3:19:53.400 --> 3:19:55.720 was full of people holding these big Coach Walls signs. 3:19:56.080 --> 3:19:58.080 He comes out onto stage and people seem to really 3:19:58.080 --> 3:20:01.080 like him. He gave it short but sweet speech. I 3:20:01.160 --> 3:20:03.000 guess he was one of the most efficient speakers of 3:20:03.000 --> 3:20:05.920 the night. He talked a lot about schools and how 3:20:06.200 --> 3:20:08.720 how schools are kind of one of the big battlegrounds 3:20:08.959 --> 3:20:11.039 for freedom right now because he used to be a 3:20:11.080 --> 3:20:13.440 teacher for you know, geography. 3:20:12.879 --> 3:20:14.280 As well as well as football. 3:20:14.920 --> 3:20:18.440 He had this line that instead of instead of banning books, 3:20:18.480 --> 3:20:21.520 we've been banishing hunger in his schools. How he signed 3:20:21.520 --> 3:20:24.600 that free lunch bill. Meanwhile, all these Republicans are just 3:20:24.600 --> 3:20:28.320 trying to ban science books, banned social studies, and he's 3:20:28.360 --> 3:20:30.760 giving kids free food. So it's a lot of stuff 3:20:30.760 --> 3:20:33.279 about protecting schools, a lot of stuff about empowering teachers. 3:20:33.600 --> 3:20:35.640 That got great reactions from the crowd. So I'm sure 3:20:35.680 --> 3:20:37.520 there's plenty of teachers here at the DNC. 3:20:38.000 --> 3:20:42.440 Sure speaking of crowd reactions, Joe Biden was very briefly 3:20:42.480 --> 3:20:45.640 mentioned in the thank You Joe chance that normally go 3:20:45.760 --> 3:20:46.280 on for a. 3:20:46.280 --> 3:20:47.160 Very long time. 3:20:47.360 --> 3:20:50.440 They've been getting shorter, getting shorter, shorter, getting shorter and shorter. 3:20:50.560 --> 3:20:53.520 It was quite literally, thank you Joe once and then 3:20:53.560 --> 3:20:55.879 thank you, and then he kept talking and the chance ended. 3:20:56.280 --> 3:21:00.600 So yeah, the party along weaning themselves off of haired 3:21:00.640 --> 3:21:03.800 Joe in so Walls could. 3:21:05.280 --> 3:21:08.000 Walls's approach in his speech was similarly on this like 3:21:08.120 --> 3:21:13.160 freedom and democracy theme. One of the reoccurring talking points 3:21:13.200 --> 3:21:17.080 he used was back in either Minnesota or Nebraska, because 3:21:17.120 --> 3:21:19.840 he's lived in both places. Their golden rule is to 3:21:19.959 --> 3:21:22.600 mind your own damn business, and that's kind of his 3:21:23.360 --> 3:21:25.240 stated approach to a lot of these things. It's like 3:21:25.280 --> 3:21:27.720 Republicans are trying to get up into your business. The 3:21:27.760 --> 3:21:30.600 Republicans talk about freedom, but what they really mean is 3:21:30.959 --> 3:21:34.280 freedom for the government to get involved in your own business. Yes, 3:21:34.520 --> 3:21:36.920 saying that the Democrats are going to not do such 3:21:36.920 --> 3:21:39.080 a thing. We're going to keep the government out of 3:21:39.120 --> 3:21:42.680 your doctor's office. We're going to provide reproductive freedom. That's 3:21:42.760 --> 3:21:45.279 kind of the messaging that he kept using because consistently 3:21:45.320 --> 3:21:48.360 throughout the night about being a good neighbor, calling you know, 3:21:48.440 --> 3:21:51.360 stuff like Project twenty twenty five, an agenda that no 3:21:51.400 --> 3:21:55.000 one has really asked for, but Republican like oligarchs are 3:21:55.000 --> 3:21:57.400 trying to force upon the nation just to get more 3:21:57.440 --> 3:22:00.840 involved in everyone's lives. And this is something that me 3:22:00.840 --> 3:22:02.680 and Robert we're talking about kind of back in the hotels. 3:22:03.040 --> 3:22:08.400 Everyone really likes like libertarian messaging. Yeah, Like this style 3:22:08.440 --> 3:22:11.120 of messaging always plays very well. People just don't like 3:22:11.200 --> 3:22:13.720 actual libertarians, and they don't like, you know, lots of 3:22:13.720 --> 3:22:17.480 like libertarian like you know, urban policy, right, But this 3:22:17.560 --> 3:22:20.880 style of messaging typically plays really well and is something 3:22:20.920 --> 3:22:24.000 that Republicans have been using increasingly, like since like the 3:22:24.000 --> 3:22:27.360 Tea Party and stuff. And because the Republican Party has 3:22:27.440 --> 3:22:29.600 has gotten much more authoritarian over the years, I think 3:22:29.600 --> 3:22:31.640 it's interesting to see the Democrats are starting to realize 3:22:31.640 --> 3:22:34.400 that they can actually weaponize this style of framing themselves 3:22:34.840 --> 3:22:36.920 to a very good reaction. You know, this is where 3:22:36.920 --> 3:22:39.400 we get these big we're not going back chants. 3:22:39.640 --> 3:22:43.720 He in one of his many sports metaphors. 3:22:43.720 --> 3:22:46.720 He said, when somebody draws up a playbook, they're going 3:22:46.760 --> 3:22:49.000 to use it. Referred to Project twenty twenty five and 3:22:49.040 --> 3:22:50.720 the crowd loved that. 3:22:50.879 --> 3:22:53.480 A lot of sports references that I saw. That sport 3:22:53.600 --> 3:22:54.840 reference I did not really get. 3:22:54.879 --> 3:22:57.119 But that's cans. You guys don't like the only real 3:22:57.200 --> 3:22:58.160 sport in this lie, I. 3:22:58.160 --> 3:23:00.520 Was translating all the sports reference since. 3:23:00.600 --> 3:23:05.040 Robert you don't know sports, I know football, great, sob Anyways. 3:23:04.879 --> 3:23:07.440 He also talked about things that Kamala has helped fight for, 3:23:08.120 --> 3:23:12.840 including fighting big pharma, security rights for workers, healthcare, and housing. 3:23:12.879 --> 3:23:15.160 There's just a few of the actual kind of still 3:23:15.200 --> 3:23:18.840 not not super big policy things, but hinting towards policy 3:23:18.920 --> 3:23:21.480 things that Democrats have gotten closer to over these last 3:23:21.520 --> 3:23:23.800 few days as they did release their actual like DNC 3:23:23.959 --> 3:23:26.800 party platform. And finally, the kind of last thing I 3:23:26.840 --> 3:23:28.760 want to mention is that with like buddhaj Edge and 3:23:28.800 --> 3:23:32.880 a few a few other like LGBTQ speakers, you know Walls, 3:23:32.959 --> 3:23:36.560 Walls talked about how he sponsored the Gaystraight Alliance in 3:23:36.600 --> 3:23:39.360 the nineties and that under his and Kamala's watch, the 3:23:39.360 --> 3:23:42.400 government's going to stay out of your bedroom. Similarly, you know, 3:23:42.600 --> 3:23:46.119 going back to this like freedom messaging. But there has 3:23:46.200 --> 3:23:48.360 been these few mentions of like you know, keeping the 3:23:48.400 --> 3:23:49.720 government out of the bedroom, and. 3:23:49.640 --> 3:23:51.520 Like doctor's appointments as well. 3:23:51.360 --> 3:23:53.800 Doctors appointments, and and not and and not regressing on 3:23:53.959 --> 3:23:58.480 LGBTQ rights. There's been very little actually talked about positively 3:23:58.480 --> 3:24:02.560 about helping secure the LGBTQ rights that are currently like 3:24:02.600 --> 3:24:05.200 actually a jeopardy, like specifically like trans healthcare. Like there's 3:24:05.240 --> 3:24:08.480 not been a trans speaker at the DNC. I've heard 3:24:08.879 --> 3:24:11.360 almost no mention of trans issues on any of the 3:24:11.400 --> 3:24:13.760 speeches or any of the or any of the panels. 3:24:14.080 --> 3:24:16.039 And that this is I guess just slightly. 3:24:16.920 --> 3:24:17.320 I don't know. 3:24:17.360 --> 3:24:20.600 I guess I was expecting something, honestly on this because 3:24:20.600 --> 3:24:22.960 this is such a big topic for Republicans, because there 3:24:23.000 --> 3:24:27.600 was consistently every night mentions of trans people at the RNC. 3:24:28.120 --> 3:24:30.600 I was expecting at least some degree for the DNC 3:24:30.640 --> 3:24:32.120 to like push back on that and be like, no, 3:24:32.160 --> 3:24:34.680 we actually are gonna make sure we have health care 3:24:34.920 --> 3:24:37.440 for trans people and make sure that trans people are 3:24:37.440 --> 3:24:41.240 not unfairly discriminated against. And they have just sidesteped this 3:24:41.320 --> 3:24:44.920 whole issue, and that has been that's not great. That 3:24:44.959 --> 3:24:47.280 is that is another thing as well as Palestine to 3:24:47.920 --> 3:24:50.600 push them on, because this is like literally one of 3:24:50.680 --> 3:24:53.520 the core parts of the Republican Party right now is 3:24:53.920 --> 3:24:56.680 attacking the ability for trans people to not only get 3:24:56.680 --> 3:24:59.080 health care, but it's just to exist in public life. 3:24:58.920 --> 3:25:02.000 And it's specifically something Walls has a really good record on. Yes, 3:25:02.360 --> 3:25:04.160 some of these people do have a good recordation ban 3:25:04.280 --> 3:25:07.040 and stuff, so it's not something that they have shied 3:25:07.120 --> 3:25:09.400 away from in their own electoral history. 3:25:09.440 --> 3:25:11.720 But at least at the DNC, they're not putting it 3:25:11.760 --> 3:25:14.080 on like the national stage, and maybe they think it 3:25:14.120 --> 3:25:15.600 won't play well. Maybe they think it's a little bit 3:25:15.680 --> 3:25:17.640 too weird for some of the people that they're trying 3:25:17.680 --> 3:25:18.880 to kind of court their votes for. 3:25:19.080 --> 3:25:21.120 I'm not sure. I wonder if the calculation is a 3:25:21.160 --> 3:25:23.560 little different. The only direct references I've heard of trans 3:25:23.600 --> 3:25:26.600 people have been as part of LGBTQ. I wonder if 3:25:26.600 --> 3:25:29.240 there's a degree of strategy where they're thinking, like the 3:25:29.840 --> 3:25:33.840 smart way to play this is to reconnect trans people 3:25:34.080 --> 3:25:37.840 with LGBTQ as opposed to deal with it as if 3:25:37.879 --> 3:25:40.360 there's some sort of like separate thing going on. I 3:25:40.400 --> 3:25:42.920 wonder if that's a calculation that they're making. I don't know, 3:25:43.360 --> 3:25:45.039 but you're right, it is kind of it is very 3:25:45.080 --> 3:25:46.439 conspicuous in its absence. 3:25:46.720 --> 3:25:49.000 I mean, we just had this massive flare about the 3:25:49.000 --> 3:25:53.400 Olympics with this like increasing like trans panic stuff, and yeah, 3:25:53.720 --> 3:25:56.120 it's just something I've observed the past few days that 3:25:56.240 --> 3:25:58.560 I mean, we'll see if we'll see if there's anything Tonight, 3:25:58.600 --> 3:25:59.920 I'm going to try to talk to the people who've 3:25:59.920 --> 3:26:02.920 been at the LGBTQ caucuses these past few days. 3:26:03.120 --> 3:26:06.360 Yeah, I want to end by just as we're recording this, 3:26:06.640 --> 3:26:08.720 it's come out Mother Jones is published at the text 3:26:08.760 --> 3:26:11.000 of the speech that the Uncommitted Movement wanted to give 3:26:11.000 --> 3:26:14.720 it the DNC. This was from rep Rua Roman was 3:26:14.720 --> 3:26:16.720 supposed to be the one giving this and this was 3:26:16.760 --> 3:26:19.320 like specifically turned down by the Democratic Party. And I 3:26:19.360 --> 3:26:21.440 want to read a couple of paragraphs from it, just 3:26:21.480 --> 3:26:23.480 to give you an idea again, make it very clear 3:26:23.520 --> 3:26:26.800 the actual kind of rhetoric and how modest it is 3:26:26.840 --> 3:26:29.720 that these people are using in this pain. I've also 3:26:29.760 --> 3:26:33.720 witnessed something profound, a beautiful, multi faith, multiracial and multi 3:26:33.720 --> 3:26:37.240 generational coalition rising from despair within our Democratic Party. For 3:26:37.280 --> 3:26:39.880 three hundred and twenty days, we've stood together, demanding to 3:26:39.959 --> 3:26:42.160 enforce our laws on friend and foe alike, to reach 3:26:42.160 --> 3:26:45.280 a ceasefire in the killing of Palestinians, fore all the 3:26:45.360 --> 3:26:48.920 Israelian Palestinian hostages, and to begin the difficult work of 3:26:48.920 --> 3:26:51.800 building a path to collective peace and safety. That's why 3:26:51.800 --> 3:26:54.160 we are here, members of this Democratic Party, committed to 3:26:54.160 --> 3:26:56.640 equal rights and dignity for all. What we do here 3:26:56.720 --> 3:26:59.520 echoes around the world. They'll say, this is how it's 3:26:59.520 --> 3:27:02.320 always been, that nothing can change. But remember Fanny lou 3:27:02.320 --> 3:27:05.000 Hamer shunned for her courage, yet she paved the way 3:27:05.040 --> 3:27:08.280 for an integrated Democratic Party. Her legacy lives on and 3:27:08.320 --> 3:27:11.520 it's her example we follow. But we can't do it alone. 3:27:11.560 --> 3:27:13.640 This historic moment is full of promise, but only if 3:27:13.640 --> 3:27:16.120 we stand together. Our party's greatest strength has always been 3:27:16.120 --> 3:27:18.640 our ability to unite. Some see that as a weakness, 3:27:18.680 --> 3:27:21.120 but it's time we flex that strength. Let's commit to 3:27:21.160 --> 3:27:24.480 each other, to electing Vice President Harris and defeating Donald Trump, 3:27:24.680 --> 3:27:27.440 who uses my identity as a Palestinian as a slur. 3:27:27.879 --> 3:27:30.760 Let's fight for the politics long overdue from restoring access 3:27:30.800 --> 3:27:33.760 to abortions, to ensuring a living wage, to demanding an 3:27:33.840 --> 3:27:36.400 end to reckless war and a ceasefire in Gaza. To 3:27:36.440 --> 3:27:38.720 those who doubt us, to the cynics and naysayers, I say, 3:27:38.800 --> 3:27:41.000 yes we can. Yes, we can be a democratic party 3:27:41.040 --> 3:27:44.800 that prioritizes funding our schools and hospitals, not for endless wars, 3:27:45.000 --> 3:27:47.680 that fights for in America, that belongs to all of us, black, brown, 3:27:47.720 --> 3:27:50.080 and white, Jews and Palestinians, all of us, like my 3:27:50.160 --> 3:27:55.680 grandfather taught me together Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's the least 3:27:55.760 --> 3:27:59.240 objectionable thing I can imagine. Yeah, So anyway, that's what 3:27:59.240 --> 3:28:00.680 the DNC didn want people do here. 3:28:00.680 --> 3:28:01.519 Pretty despicable. 3:28:01.600 --> 3:28:03.120 Yeah, yeah, it's it's pretty frustrating. 3:28:03.720 --> 3:28:04.279 Yeah. 3:28:04.360 --> 3:28:06.320 Well, this is how we're gonna be closing this week 3:28:06.320 --> 3:28:08.960 of coverage. We will start next week's episodes by talking 3:28:09.000 --> 3:28:13.120 about the final day of the DNC, including Kamala Harris's speech. 3:28:13.360 --> 3:28:15.480 And I also have some kind of disjointed thoughts I'll 3:28:15.480 --> 3:28:17.480 try to put together more about some of like the 3:28:17.520 --> 3:28:20.480 discourse revolving around some of these protests, how they've been 3:28:20.480 --> 3:28:23.680 handled a few like tactics things. But yeah, this has 3:28:23.680 --> 3:28:28.000 been this week at It could Happen here. Recording from Chicago, Illinois. 3:28:28.400 --> 3:28:31.199 Nice exhausted, Well, you guys, listen to the speeches. I'm 3:28:31.200 --> 3:28:33.520 going to try to find Jake Tapper at the Politico 3:28:33.600 --> 3:28:37.080 Bar and Grill and uh, you know, read him the 3:28:37.120 --> 3:28:39.600 lyrics of bad bad Le Roy Brown. Let us know 3:28:39.640 --> 3:28:41.320 all that baddest man in the whole damn town. 3:28:41.720 --> 3:28:44.959 Normally I would I would be against abandoning you at 3:28:44.959 --> 3:28:46.160 a big public event. 3:28:46.200 --> 3:28:47.600 But see you. 3:28:47.800 --> 3:28:49.440 It's fine if it turns into a fist fight. I 3:28:49.440 --> 3:28:52.600 feel confident. We all view. I feel very confident I 3:28:52.600 --> 3:28:53.200 can win. 3:28:53.240 --> 3:28:55.000 If you're getting close to Jake Kapper, it's going to 3:28:55.080 --> 3:28:55.879 turn into a fistfight. 3:28:55.959 --> 3:29:01.200 We all know this, all right, horrible. 3:29:04.720 --> 3:29:07.920 Hey, We'll be back Monday with more episodes every week 3:29:07.959 --> 3:29:09.880 from now until the heat death of the Universe. 3:29:10.720 --> 3:29:13.200 It Could Happen Here as a production of cool Zone Media. 3:29:13.280 --> 3:29:15.959 For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 3:29:16.000 --> 3:29:19.120 coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 3:29:19.160 --> 3:29:22.520 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can 3:29:22.520 --> 3:29:25.240 find sources for It Could Happen Here, updated monthly at 3:29:25.240 --> 3:29:26.560 coolzonemedia dot com. 3:29:26.600 --> 3:29:28.440 Slash sources. Thanks for listening,