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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 2: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 2: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

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Speaker 2: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 2: you can make your own decisions.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to ick It Happen here. I'm your host Bia

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Speaker 3: Wong with me as James Stout By men. Hello, this

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Speaker 3: is a podcast about things falling apart putting it back

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Speaker 3: together again. For the rest of this week, we are

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Speaker 3: going to be going to our live correspondence from a

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Speaker 3: Democratic National Convention. We're going to be getting a bunch

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Speaker 3: of episodes from from the floor. We're you're gonna be

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Speaker 3: gonna be hearing all about all of.

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Speaker 4: The serve of excitement.

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Speaker 3: But for sort of day one of our DNC convention,

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Speaker 3: I thought we'd do something a little bit different, and

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Speaker 3: that is I want to take a look back at

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Speaker 3: the convention that I think I think most people have

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Speaker 3: been thinking is the most similar to this one, which

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Speaker 3: is the nineteen sixty eight Democratic National Convention, which is

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Speaker 3: also a convention that featured large anti war protests and

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Speaker 3: the vice president of an extremely unpopular president who was

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Speaker 3: I mean, and you know, and the parallels. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the big uprisings in nineteen sixty eight is in Pakistan,

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Speaker 3: We are about a week ash maybe two weeks removed

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Speaker 5: It's not unsimilar, but it's also not the same, as

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Speaker 5: I'm sure I'm about to find out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think in some sense we'll get to

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Speaker 3: sixty eight parts of it are sort of an inversion

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Speaker 3: the results are going to be I think, very, very

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Speaker 3: Vietnam on Vietnamese New Years, and it really starts with

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Speaker 3: the Tet Offensive. So for people who have forgotten this

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Speaker 4: Are around for this, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: So the Tet Offensive is this massive attack by the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not really like that. There are a wide

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Speaker 3: is something that's distinct from most of the sixty eight

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Speaker 3: up prices. Most of the sixty eight uprisings everywhere are

438
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Speaker 3: characterized by people who are very, very good at this, right,

439
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 3: and these protesters fight very well. I mean, the most

440
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Speaker 3: famous ones We've talked about it a little bit already

441
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Speaker 3: of the Japanese student movements, who have this sort of

442
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: iconic white construction hats and these giant wooden pulls. They

443
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 3: used to literally fight riot police at rage. But you know, students, workers,

444
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 3: and just like random people off the street everywhere from

445
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Speaker 3: Italy to France to Pakistan are able to fight the

446
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 3: police on fairly even footing. They equit themselves valiantly. The Yippies,

447
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 3: on the other hand, every single time they come into

448
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Speaker 3: contact with the police, they get absolutely mauled. And you know,

449
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 3: the pre DNC Yippie protests are extremely peaceful, right, You're

450
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Speaker 3: not even disruptive. They have permits and the police just

451
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Speaker 3: batter them. And this is kind of the plan, right.

452
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Speaker 3: These attacks are generating media coverage, and the Yippies are

453
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Speaker 3: trying to hijack this media coverage to spread their message,

454
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Speaker 3: and this kind of works to some extent. Part of

455
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 3: the problem, though, is that one of the biggest newspapers

456
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Speaker 3: in Chicago is Chicago Tribune, who are a kind of

457
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Speaker 3: reactionary that I mean, I guess we still have them,

458
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Speaker 3: but this is the kind of magazine that would have

459
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Speaker 3: been right there with the economists saying that, like all

460
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Speaker 3: of the Irish dying was good. Right, that's the kind

461
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 3: of like when the British killed them with the famine, right, Like.

462
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Speaker 3: This is the kind of kind of reactionary that the

463
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Speaker 3: Chicago Tribune is. And so some of their protest hijacking

464
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Speaker 3: stuff doesn't really work in Chicago because you'll have these

465
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Speaker 3: protests where just the Tribune shows up, and if your

466
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Speaker 3: Fribune shows up, the coverage of the cops just absolutely

467
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Speaker 3: beating the crap out of a bunch of people who

468
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Speaker 3: were just walking on sidewalks is going to be something

469
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Speaker 3: like did the police defeat unruly demonstrators or something. Before

470
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Speaker 3: we go any further, and by any further, we're gonna

471
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Speaker 3: talk about how these years relate to each other, and

472
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Speaker 3: oh boy, we need to go to the thing the

473
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Speaker 3: Yippies would have been hijacking, which is these products and services.

474
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Speaker 3: We're continuing in their noble tradition by using their money

475
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Speaker 3: to do this episode.

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Speaker 9: We are back.

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Speaker 3: So something that I think is very interesting about these

478
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Speaker 3: two groups. That is the final thing that you kind

479
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Speaker 3: of have to understand about why these protests go the

480
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Speaker 3: way they do. I've talked a bit about how sort

481
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Speaker 3: of the more radical parts of MOB and the Yippies,

482
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Speaker 3: who are very radical are are kind of being isolated

483
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Speaker 3: from the more moderate elements right, and this is part

484
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Speaker 3: of Mayor Daily's deliberate strategy. Daily is the all powerful

485
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Speaker 3: mayor of Chicago. He's one of the sort of the

486
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Speaker 3: builders of America's greatest ever political machine, which is the

487
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Speaker 3: Chicago Machine. By this point, he has single hand almost

488
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Speaker 3: single handedly like one elections for the Democratic Party by

489
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Speaker 3: handing them ILLINOI on a platter. He is the guy,

490
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Speaker 3: one of the people who turns Illinois from a swing

491
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Speaker 3: state into a say that votes for Democrats by Norla's

492
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Speaker 3: margins every single year. And he does this through this

493
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: incredibly powerful patriotish network and corruption network, and Dalies deliver

494
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Speaker 3: strategies to try to sort of separate He's trying to

495
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Speaker 3: knock the moderates out of the protests by threatening that

496
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Speaker 3: he's going to just like obliterate these people right by,

497
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Speaker 3: and also by continuously denying them permits so that certain

498
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Speaker 3: more water people won't show up. Yeah, and so the

499
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Speaker 3: plan is basically to isolate them. And part of the

500
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Speaker 3: other reason why this works is that this whole plan

501
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Speaker 3: is opposed by a group you wouldn't really expect to

502
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Speaker 3: be opposing it, which is the Communists. CPUSA wants nothing

503
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Speaker 3: to do with this. Even the SVP Socials Workers Party,

504
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Speaker 3: who are the Trotskyites who have very important roles in

505
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 3: MOB they're part of a faction that doesn't want to

506
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Speaker 3: do the DNC convention going in And this is something

507
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Speaker 3: you see all over nineteen sixty eight because weirdly, the

508
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Speaker 3: communist parties in sixty eight are a very conservative force.

509
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Speaker 3: This is something that we've talked about on the show before.

510
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Speaker 3: In places like Chile, you have fairly moderate Christian Democratic

511
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Speaker 3: Workers going into the streets and meanwhile the Chilean Communist

512
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Speaker 3: Party is going, no, no hold on, we must slow

513
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Speaker 3: the pains of reforms.

514
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, this isn't it.

515
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Speaker 3: And you know that's even more mild example than what

516
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Speaker 3: happens in France, where the French Communist Party blows its

517
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Speaker 3: one shot of ever taking power by straight up working

518
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Speaker 3: with the government to stamp out the May sixty eight uprisings.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: These old left parties are very conservative, both because you know,

521
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Speaker 3: on an international level, because some of them are in

522
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: the sort of common turn orbit right, so they're taking

523
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Speaker 3: orders directly from Moscow, and Moscow doesn't want any disruption.

524
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Speaker 3: And in the US a lot of the older activists

525
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: don't want a confrontation because they're all still petrified of

526
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Speaker 3: the Red Scare, and so they're terrified of anything that

527
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: could like even sort of alienate a single person. And

528
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Speaker 3: this means that to some extent, all Mob and the

529
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Speaker 3: Yippies really have over each other. But the problem is

530
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Speaker 3: the Mob and the Yippies hate each other.

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Speaker 6: That's the Tennis Odust time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's amazing.

533
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Speaker 3: And again this is something that like all of the

534
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Speaker 3: mode people agree about which they agree about nothing. The

535
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Speaker 3: only thing they agree about is they don't even they

536
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Speaker 3: don't even agree about fully demanding an end to the

537
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Speaker 3: Vietnam War right like a immediate They don't agree with

538
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Speaker 3: anything except they hate the Yippies because they see the

539
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: Yippies as these like deeply unseerious bourgeois degenerates who are

540
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: just having sex and doing drugs that are just literally

541
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: the same culture that they're trying to resist. The yippeec

542
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 3: mobe has sort of self righteous assholes who are locked

543
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: in this death spiral of comically serious politics that are

544
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 3: also just a reflection of the thing they're opposing. So

545
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: you know, they both of these people take the same

546
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: things about each other. But meanwhile, both of these groups

547
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 3: and really everyone else in the US is going to

548
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 3: have to ride the wildest wave of vibe shifts in

549
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Speaker 3: the entirety of American history. So all right, we we

550
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Speaker 3: kind of famously had our vibe shift when Biden dropped

551
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Speaker 3: out and everyone was like, whoa hold on? Better things

552
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: are possible? Question mark, yeah, question. There's also a vibe

553
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 3: shift in sixty eight when when LBJ drops out. It's

554
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Speaker 3: March thirty first, But there are key differences here though,

555
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Speaker 3: Right Biden has already won the nomination right by the

556
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Speaker 3: time that he is forced out, and when he is

557
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: forced out, there is great rejoicing. Everyone's really happy about it.

558
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Speaker 3: Even the old Biden stalle wards immediately fall on line

559
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Speaker 3: behind Kamal Harris.

560
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Speaker 5: Right, yeah, right, that Biden's wins account changed his name.

561
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Speaker 2: Ya, yeah right.

562
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Speaker 3: Sixty eight is much much bessier than that. LBJ doesn't

563
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: drop out until he almost loses a He almost think

564
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Speaker 3: he's the new Hampshire primary to anti war candidate Eugene McCarthy,

565
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: not to be confused with the other McCarthy. I was

566
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Speaker 3: really baffled the first time I just saw people talking

567
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Speaker 3: about McCarthy.

568
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 4: I was like, what, wait, hold.

569
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Speaker 3: On, yeah, this is this is anti war star warts

570
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Speaker 3: Senator Eugene McCarthy. And McCarthy almost beating LBJ in a

571
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Speaker 3: very conservative state really sort of lights this fire under LBJ.

572
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: And LBJ realizes that he could win the nomination, but

573
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 3: if he does that, he's going to lose general lussion,

574
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: so he books it and drops out. When LBJ drops out,

575
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Speaker 3: there's a competitive primary. The other reason the primary is

576
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: competitive is that RFK takes this as a shining moment

577
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: and goes, I am going to enter the race as

578
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Speaker 3: the anti war candidate. Now we now have our tragedy

579
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Speaker 3: as farce RFK.

580
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Speaker 5: Gee jesus, Yeah, just to be clear, if people aren't familiar,

581
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Speaker 5: not the same dude, no, no different, Bobby Kennedy.

582
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is RFK. RFK really is seen as as

583
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Speaker 3: a guy, and both hum and McCarthy are seen by

584
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Speaker 3: young people who have been disillusioned by LBJ as someone

585
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Speaker 3: who can you can sort of like take this anti

586
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Speaker 3: war platform national right, and there is a massive vibe shift.

587
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Speaker 3: For a moment, there is hope. And this is a

588
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: real problem for the antie war fashions because this kind

589
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: of thing is exactly how the US got into this

590
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Speaker 3: mess in the first place. LBJ ran this same con

591
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: in sixty four. Yeah, exactly, and they got Leckt and

592
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: immediately made the war worse. So, you know, I think

593
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Speaker 3: there's a tendency to look back on the anti war

594
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Speaker 3: protesters as these sort of like spoiler people who ruin

595
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Speaker 3: the democratic nomination or whatever. But you know, they were

596
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: right to a large extent to be incredibly suspicious of

597
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: anti war democratic candidates.

598
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

599
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Speaker 3: But you know this also throws all of the planning

600
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Speaker 3: for the protests and the chaos, because the center point

601
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Speaker 3: of the protest for both MOB and the Yippies was

602
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: to show an alternative to this sort of stagnant war,

603
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: ubund death machine politics of LBJ. But suddenly, like if

604
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: there's an anti war candidate who's a nominee, it becomes

605
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: so much harder to make this case. And these people

606
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: are really unbelievably depressed. The vibes everywhere else in the

607
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: country are great. Everyone believes in hope again, it's hope

608
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: and change. So they have their Obama and then RFK

609
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Speaker 3: gets assassinated. Everything goes to shit almost immediately. I mean,

610
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 3: the vibes are so bad that famously, one of the

611
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: one of the mob guys, I think he's on camera

612
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: just weeping because I mean, he and Bobby Kennedy had

613
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: kind of had sort of known each other through the

614
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: sort of anti war networks, and he's not a Kennedy supporter.

615
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: But when Kennedy gets killed, it's basically imagine our vibe

616
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: shift immediately flipped at his head and went even more

617
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: rancid than it had been the feeling that you all

618
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: had in the week after the failed Trump assassination. Right, yeah,

619
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Speaker 3: And you can see this as interesting, Right, like all

620
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: of the elements of ninety sixty eight are here in

621
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. Right, you have your own popular president leaving,

622
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: you have a vibe shift, you have a Kennedy, you

623
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 3: have an assassination attempt, but the pieces fit together differently

624
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: because what happens is, you know, the vibe shift collapses

625
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: with the RFK assassination, and suddenly, you know, anti war's

626
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: back on the table. But on the other hand, McCarthy's

627
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 3: still in the race, right, Eugie McCarthy, who's the other

628
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: anti war candidate, is still.

629
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Speaker 4: In the race.

630
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: However, it is becoming increasingly clear that what is going

631
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 3: to happen at the convention is that Eugene McCarthy is

632
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: going to get rat fucked, and they are going to

633
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: put Hubert Humphrey, who is lbj's vice president, back in

634
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: the saddle under the same policies. And this too is

635
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: a sort of inversion of twenty twenty four. The party

636
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: elites ousting Biden and installing Kamala Harris is broadly unbelievably

637
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: popular with the base. Yeah, Hubert Humphrey doesn't run in primaries.

638
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: He just wins by rankling all the delegates to vote

639
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: for him. In this incredible series and sort of smoke

640
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: filled backroom deals and peeling off people who've been Kennedy delegates,

641
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: and it becomes clear that he's going to win. But

642
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: it's terrifying because what has happened is that the Democratic elite,

643
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: against the will of law of democratic voters, has just

644
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: straight up stolen this election. Right they have they have

645
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: stolen it. They have rat fucked Eugene McCarthy.

646
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is kind of like the right has unsuccessfully

647
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 5: tried to play this narrative again, right.

648
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again. The thing about Harris is that she

649
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: is seen as something different than Biden. Yeah, this is

650
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 3: this partially has to do with the differences in Biden's

651
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: weakness versus lbj's.

652
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 8: Right.

653
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: A huge part of Biden's weakness that everyone thinks he's

654
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: completely senile, Yeah, because she is objectively senile. Yeah, yeah,

655
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: because he can't fucking certain together. A sentence goes off

656
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: that Trump can. No, not the Trump can either, right,

657
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: but it was, but Biden's was sort of more visible, right, Yeah,

658
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: because of sort of the way the media works, because

659
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: of Trump's ability to sort of run away.

660
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: There's a lot of factors in this, right. Yeah.

661
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: No one on Earth thinks that LBJ is seen now,

662
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: not even his worst enemies. I think that that man

663
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: is senile, right. His problem is his policies and the

664
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: problem with that is that his policies are being transferred

665
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: directly to his successor, who is as vice president. Whereas

666
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris does not have the fundamental weakness of Joe Biden,

667
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: which is that she successfully and she is the first

668
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: major American political figure has been able to do this

669
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: in eight years. She can string together three consecutive sentences yeah.

670
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 5: Which yeah, it appears like a manner from heaven to

671
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 5: the sort of politics appreciator classes, right when they have

672
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 5: to explain to all of us why we're pure rad

673
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 5: and juvenile of warning politics outside of politicians, while their

674
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 5: politicians are like struggling to do a whole paragraph without

675
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 5: talking about their corn pop or Scranton, Pennsylvania or something.

676
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 3: Yeah. And so this is you know, even as we're

677
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: heading into the convention, things are things are going to

678
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: be very different.

679
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 4: Than they're going to play out now.

680
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: But there's one thing that is exactly the same. If

681
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: that is your your cargo police departments. No changes. The

682
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: only change is they are slightly, slightly, not not significantly,

683
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: they are slightly less willing to say the N word

684
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: in public like a little baby.

685
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

686
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 5: And in return for that, they got approximately ten million

687
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 5: dollars of fucking weapons. Yeah yeah, ready up to you.

688
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: These people are exactly the same as today. They are

689
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: overpaid and titled asshole screaming for violence. They are screaming it.

690
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: They're going to take their vengeance against what they see

691
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: as a leftist conspiracy to protect criminals and hand the

692
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 3: country to communists. They are precisely the swine who beat

693
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 3: us in the streets in twenty twenty. These people in

694
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: sixty eight are precisely the men today who ran a

695
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: black site at Home and Square to torture, to disappear,

696
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: and torture suspects and the false confessions, and who boldly

697
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 3: set out a few years ago to kill a sixteen

698
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: year old with sixteen shots on a cover up. This

699
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: is the exact same Chicago police department that it wasn't

700
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: sixty eight, and in fact, all of the key elements

701
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: of the modern police department.

702
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: This is the period. Richard M.

703
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 3: Daily is one of the people who gets the cops

704
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: to unionize, and again we're gonna see Daily is really

705
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 3: truly a terrible person. Daily wants the teamsters to organize

706
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: the cops. That doesn't work at all. He's bid completely fails.

707
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: The organized with the Fraternal Order of Police, who are

708
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: just effectively a giant cartel for police murderers now and

709
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: they were at the time. There are a bunch of

710
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: unbelievable reaction areas, a bunch of their leaderships will do things.

711
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: Like quote Hitler.

712
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 6: They just can't fucking stop themselves.

713
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 2: No, yeah, so I.

714
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: Want to read I'm going to read sort of the

715
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: modern police statements.

716
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: Quote.

717
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: The better we do our job of envoicing the law,

718
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: the more we are attacked. The state of our so

719
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: called objective press is sad to behold subtly. Too many

720
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: so called objective news writers attempt to excuse the actions

721
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 3: of minorities. Oh wait, that's not that's not the modern police,

722
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: that's the sixty eight police saying a thing that is

723
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 3: literally identical to every police statement today.

724
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 6: They not changed at all, because no one made them.

725
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 3: No, this is sort of the trap that the anti

726
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: war people are walking into, right, they are walking into

727
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 3: a bunch of ultra radicalized, unbelievably pissed off cops who

728
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: are elevating at the attempt to sort of beat up

729
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: long haired hippies. And also, there's one thing we should

730
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 3: also make clear that's that's very different between this anti

731
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 3: war movement and the modern one, which is that mob

732
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: and the yippies are terrifyingly white. They might be whiter

733
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 3: than the cops at this It's it's genuinely possible, that's true.

734
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: You give these love for reasons that are incomprehensible to

735
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: be other than racism. Absolutely love dressing up in like

736
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: indigenous costumes. Oh god, yeah, it's awful.

737
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 8: Yeah.

738
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: And part of what's going on is that the sort

739
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: of black radical groups don't really want to be involved

740
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: in this. Yeah we can, we can see why, you know,

741
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: they're anti war, but they're like, this is not our problem.

742
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 3: You can sort this out.

743
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 8: Yeah.

744
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: And this is also another thing, a very very key

745
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 3: difference between that anti war sort of coalition and today's

746
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: because today's anti war coalition. If you go to any

747
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: of the campus occupations, right, you go to an anti

748
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: war protests, it's basically a combination of two of two groups.

749
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: Right.

750
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: It's queer white people and just non white people in general,

751
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 3: some of whom are queer, with some of whom aren't.

752
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: And that's the core of sort of protest organization of

753
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 3: the US, right, those are the core of the people.

754
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 5: Who show up, yeah, and then seventeen people with fucking

755
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 5: clipboards trying to get them to sign up for their various.

756
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: Well, those are the leeches that show up to sort

757
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: of prey on pray on the Yeah.

758
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, they are the lamp prey on the on the

759
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 5: shock of protests.

760
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

761
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: But this plays out very differently politically because of who

762
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 3: has been mobilized into sort of anti war things now

763
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: versus who is showing up to this convention. And this

764
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 3: is going to be true of the people who show

765
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: up to the convention this time, right, Yeah, they are

766
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 3: very much not the same kind of sort of middle

767
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: class student people who were showing up to like disconventional

768
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: though not all those people, but like there are a

769
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: lot of people who are workers, right, but like they're

770
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: distressingly white, and that is that is simply not true

771
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: of the modern movement. It's one of the reasons why

772
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: the pieces don't quite fit.

773
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 8: Right.

774
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: We need to go do some more ads and then

775
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: we're going to sort of wrap up what actually happened

776
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: at the convention and how it.

777
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 4: Sort of shook out politically.

778
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 3: We are back. So the other thing that guarantees really

779
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: that this is going to descend into sort of chaos.

780
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 8: Is that?

781
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: I mean, even days before the events, right, neither the

782
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 3: mode people nor the Yippies really know what they're planning

783
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: to do. The planning has been terrible. Part of it

784
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: is because again they can't get permits from the city,

785
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: and it's really hard to plan when you can't know

786
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: what you're supposed to be doing. There's also internal disagreements

787
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: in the groups of what to do. There's also a

788
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: truly staggering federal infiltration and not just the normal feds, right,

789
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 3: we're talking like military intelligence. Oh wow, the Army's intelligence

790
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 3: office is spying on protesters. They have guys inside of

791
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 3: McCarthy's campaign that should the legal like it doesn't matter

792
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 3: if it's legal, it doesn't, right, it's but it's it's nuts,

793
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 3: and you know, I mean there's an estimate that that's

794
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: from sixty Chicago, that book, that one in six protesters

795
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 3: were informants.

796
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 5: Oh fuck me, it's like Afterwaffin ratio they've got going up.

797
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

798
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: And like part of this is the numbers of protests

799
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 3: here aren't very good because people are terrified that the

800
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: CPD is going to start killing everyone. So the actual

801
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: number is even as peak is maybe ten thousand, which

802
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 3: is pretty small considering that the Pentagon mob mobilization that

803
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: mob had done in sixty seven was like one hundred

804
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: thousand people. Well, right, they've been able to put together

805
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 3: really massive protests, but this one is not that large.

806
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: So the Yippi's kind of do their concert thing. But

807
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: the moment night hits and they're trying to be in

808
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: this park, the police attack. The police are incredibly brutal.

809
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 3: By about three days in the National Guard gets deployed.

810
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: And this is something about sixty eight that's also different

811
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 3: from today. If the National Guard is deployed today, it's

812
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: not the same thing now as as as a national

813
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: Guard deployment CDA, because the national Guard deployment in sixty

814
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: eight very well could mean that the army is going

815
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 3: to kill you.

816
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 4: All right.

817
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: This is a period in which the National Guard, their

818
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: riot control mechanism is a line of guys with bayonets.

819
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's not to say that these bayonets les lethal.

820
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's or less lethal because

821
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 3: when they're actually going lethal, and they've done this in

822
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: the past three or four years against a bunch of

823
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: the sort of black cop risings have been happening. Is

824
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: they just shoot people? Yeah, right, they straight up kill them.

825
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: This happened in Chicago. That was more of the cops

826
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: the National Guard because read Holy Week, they were sort

827
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: of told to stand down. So it's not to like

828
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: literally destroy the entire country in the giant war. But

829
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 3: you know, them showing up also really pisses off the

830
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: organizers and everything that happens to the cops start beating

831
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 3: the organizers, and this, it turns out, is a bad

832
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 3: idea because it turns out if you beat people, they

833
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 3: get really angry at you. And so suddenly you have

834
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: all these mob guys who literally their plan going into

835
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: the convention was we don't want to have a fight

836
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 3: because we're gonna lose. Who are suddenly like, well fuck it,

837
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 3: they're attacking U. Anyway, We're gonna fight them.

838
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

839
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: And this is where everything sort of the police completely

840
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: go off the rails, right, This is where you see,

841
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: you know, all of the sort of famous footage of

842
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: beatings outside the convention. Although, and I will put this

843
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: something Robert pointed out is that like anyone who was

844
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: in Portland and twenty twenty has been through stuff that's

845
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 3: way worse than anything anyone saw here. Like you statistically

846
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: probably have seen something that was much worse than what

847
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 3: happened to the people, Which is not saying it wasn't bad, right,

848
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: I mean, these are people getting horribly beaten by guys

849
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 3: with billy clubs.

850
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 6: But yeah, it just happens all the time.

851
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: Now, we are so far past this being a thing

852
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: that nobody's ever seen before or whatever.

853
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, we had a moment where I could have stopped,

854
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 5: and a lot of people fucking tried. Yeah, And as

855
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 5: a country, we are going down the path of the

856
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 5: cops beating people and getting away with it like that

857
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 5: is yeah, where we're at politically.

858
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and in experience saxty eight, the cops, the cops

859
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: are able to go even more feral than they are now,

860
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 3: which is slightly more fail Which is to say that

861
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 3: this storm McCarthy's campaign office and they have his campaign

862
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: staffers beaten.

863
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 6: Oh damn, Yeah, that is that is advanced.

864
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never heard of another modern political thing where

865
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 3: police straight up stormed a campaign office of a presidential

866
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: campaign and had his staffers beaten. Right, And this has

867
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: a massive impact inside of the convention itself because what's

868
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 3: happening in the convention is not what we got with Kamala,

869
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: where like the old is gone and here's the new

870
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: or whatever, and you know you can you can look

871
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: for some kind of break there. It is Humphrey has

872
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 3: been put in. Humphrey is LBJ two. Lbj's Vietnam policy

873
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: is inscribed by vote into the platform of the Democratic

874
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: Party for what they're going to run in sixty eight.

875
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 3: And meanwhile, outside right, as a sort of rat fock

876
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: is happening, and as the party leadership is installing Hubert Humphrey,

877
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: the sort of liberal anti war wing of the part

878
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: Party is recoiling in horror. A McCarthy delegate who's a

879
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 3: senator famously is about to go on stage and endorse,

880
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: endorse super Humphrey because Humphrey's won the nomination. They have

881
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: to come together unity. But he's washing out the window

882
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 3: as the police are just like throwing kids around and

883
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: beating the shit out of them, and he instead gives

884
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 3: this speech where he says that if McCarthy was president,

885
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 3: the cops wouldn't be using gestapo tactics, and Chicago Bay

886
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: Or Richard M. Daly gets so angry that he starts

887
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: screaming from the crowd, and I quote, and I apologize

888
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 3: for saying this, but you need to understand who the

889
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: party elite is in this period. He says, quote, fuck

890
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: you, you juice, son of a bitch, You lousy motherfucker. Go home.

891
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: He is the mayor of Chicago. On the floor live

892
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: on TV at the Democratic National Convention. Jeez, you are

893
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: watching in sixty eight. You can see in real time

894
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 3: on TV the entire Democratic Party completely fall apart.

895
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

896
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 6: Fuck the Yeah, the mosque has come off, that hasn't it.

897
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything everything's flowing apart.

898
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: You can see.

899
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: You can see the divisions. A lot of liberal anti

900
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: war candidates refuse to back, like Humphrey and his people.

901
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: They eventually come back together sort of as the general

902
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: election approaches, but the damage is done and that's not

903
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: something that we're really at risk of.

904
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 5: No, they seem to be a pretty much lock step

905
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 5: right now, like both with police violence and with what

906
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 5: was happening in Palestine. Like, there's not much like real

907
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 5: within the party, the Democrat Party, like much descent that

908
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 5: I can see.

909
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and I think the other thing about

910
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 3: about the state election, people are trying to compare it

911
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 3: to the twenty twenty four election, is that the Democrats

912
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: only lost by about one percent of the vote, or

913
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: sub one percent of the vote, even even though it

914
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: was a blowout. They only lost about one percent of

915
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: the vote in sixty eight. And a big part of

916
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: what happened also was that George Wallace, the insane segregate

917
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: this guy was also running and drew a whole bunch

918
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: of electoral votes.

919
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, which we'd an't really have.

920
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: But you know, the Democrats almost succesfully rallied and beat

921
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 3: Nixon Nixon, you know, and this is something that there's

922
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 3: this narrative that Nixon wins by sort of unbelievable margins

923
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: and that he represented the sort of silent majority, and

924
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 3: that's only sort of true. But on the other hand,

925
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 3: the ground in the US since then has changed, right

926
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: the uprisings of the nineteen sixties, and this is from

927
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: the Holy Week uprisings to the process of the d NC.

928
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 3: All of these protests are hideously unpopular. Everything MLK does,

929
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: everyone hates it, right literally until MLK dies, right. And

930
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 3: there's actually a very fun example of this. Bear Daily

931
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 3: had absolutely hated MLKA when he was alive. Right, he

932
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: gives speeches to college him saying he's stirring up trouble

933
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: and like Astlety despised him, and in the moment he dies,

934
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 3: he gives a speech saying everyone should follow Mlka's example

935
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: and remained peaceful and not in the state literally days after. Right, Yeah,

936
00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: but that's the thing. All of these, all of the

937
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: these things are unbelievably unpopular. And you know, the gap

938
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: between their giant uprising which was holy weak and the

939
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 3: election was a few months whereas you know, in twenty

940
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: twenty four, Right, the twenty twenty four uprising was marked

941
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 3: by over fifty percent approval for burning a police station down. Yeah, right,

942
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 3: it was actually extremely popular. And even even four years later,

943
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: you know, with the sort of memory of the tear

944
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 3: gas fading, everything about American politics is operating in reverse. Increasingly,

945
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: it is not the left that's seen as out of

946
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: touch radicals to attempting to force their agenda on a

947
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: compliant population. It's the right. The silent majority today is

948
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 3: not composed of evangelical fanatics whose children monitor their porn consumption.

949
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: It is composed of people who think that shit is weird.

950
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: And that's the thing that I want to close on

951
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: which is that you know, in twenty twenty four, in

952
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: a lot of ways, is sixty eight standing on its head,

953
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: because everything that comes after the election is seen as

954
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: the backlash to the sort of excess of sixty eight. Right,

955
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: But we are already living in the backlash the last

956
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: four years, the last eight years, right. Trump Ism is

957
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 3: the backlash of Ferguson, and then all of the sort

958
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: of desant to stuff, the anti trans stuff, all of

959
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: the weird grumor panic, you know, all the anti critical

960
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: race theory stuff, all of the racism, all of that.

961
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 3: That's all the backlash to twenty twenty and it sucks.

962
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: Everyone hates it. It's awful. And so we are in

963
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: a period where the backlash that sort of swept in

964
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 3: the Republicans to power for a generation, that that's going

965
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: to sort of come out of the Nickson EARI that's

966
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: eventually going to lead to Reagan. It's entirely possible that

967
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: we are about to see basically the opposite of that,

968
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: where this kind of backlash politics, this kind of sort

969
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: of Trumpian fascism, this very well could be twenty twenty

970
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 3: four could be the shore on which that wave breaks.

971
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 6: We can hope.

972
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 3: I'm hoping.

973
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: I don't know.

974
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: I am mildly hopeful. I also, you know, and this

975
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 3: is an other thing that's sport, is this convention. It's

976
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 3: not going to look anything like even if there is

977
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 3: intense suppression of the protests, it's not going to play

978
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: the same way politically as as sixty eight convention did.

979
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, the history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes, right,

980
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 5: and I think there will be similarities here. But it

981
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 5: is impossible for the way that the state interacts with

982
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 5: protest to beat the same and for people to be

983
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 5: as shocked by it as they were in sixty eight, right,

984
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 5: like a good number of Democrats, Like you know, if

985
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 5: you go on social media, okay, it's my representative example,

986
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 5: you've seen plenty of people barking for cops to crack

987
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 5: the heads of kids or people of any age, like

988
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 5: protesting against a fucking genocide. Like people don't care anymore.

989
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 5: I guess if you're clapping for bombing babies, you're also

990
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 5: going to clap for smashing students in the face of

991
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 5: the club, Like I kind of go together.

992
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, And I mean that, I don't know.

993
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: I think the sort of long range things about anti

994
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 3: war movements is that the actual anti war movement almost

995
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: never stops the war right in the short run. Immediately,

996
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 3: it almost never works. But what happened with Vietnam was,

997
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 3: in the long run, the protests and the sty eight

998
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: did stop the war, right. But they stopped the war

999
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 3: not by not by moving sort of traditional American politics.

1000
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 3: They stop the war by being one of the catalysts

1001
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 3: that radicalized enough enough of the US army that almost

1002
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 3: by by the time the war ends, something like half

1003
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: of it is either on strike or openly in revolt,

1004
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: and that eventually is the thing that crushes it. And

1005
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 3: I think that's also a thing for this, is that like, yeah,

1006
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris probably not going to end the genocide.

1007
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, But.

1008
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: There's good reason for this, right. We're very used to

1009
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: looking for immediate, direct impacts of reactions, and a lot

1010
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 3: of times the impact of reactions are in things in

1011
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 3: the distant future in ways that we can't see right now.

1012
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: And maybe that gives you hope, maybe that doesn't, but

1013
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: that's sort of the way that these anti war things work,

1014
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: and I don't know, Hopefully we'll get a fucking better

1015
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: result this time and we can stop the rest of

1016
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 3: Palestine from being completely exterminated.

1017
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 6: But yeah, that would be nice.

1018
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: That's the not hopeful part of this.

1019
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I think it's so hopeful, But it's instructive, right, Like,

1020
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 5: if you're out there now and you're expecting some big change,

1021
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 5: if you joy attending at Chicago you're expecting some bid change,

1022
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 5: you probably won't see it. It doesn't mean that what

1023
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 5: you're doing isn't important, and it doesn't mean you shouldn't

1024
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 5: keep doing it.

1025
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1026
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this has been taken happen here. The rest

1027
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 3: of the week will be an account of what actually

1028
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: does happen at this convention. So stay tuned, enjoy, enjoy that,

1029
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 3: and go stop genocidal.

1030
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: Welcome to it could happen here a podcast about it

1031
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 2: happening here and here this week is Chicago. I'm Robert Evans.

1032
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: I'm here in town with Sophie Lichterman, who will not

1033
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: be on MIC for this episode but will be later

1034
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: this week. And Garrison Davis, Hello, with whom I've been

1035
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: out all day in the streets.

1036
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 8: We are currently recording just a few blocks away from

1037
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 8: the DNC protest, the Coalition to.

1038
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: March Down on the corn out in the street.

1039
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 8: So we apologize for whatever sounds are getting picked up.

1040
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 8: Today's been very hectic. There's been protests all day that

1041
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 8: me and Robert have been at and that's mostly what

1042
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 8: we're gonna be talking with you today.

1043
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 2: So this is day one of the DNC. We actually

1044
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: have not yet been inside the venue, although we will

1045
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: be later for the speeches. Today has basically all been protests.

1046
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 2: So at the start of the day I went to

1047
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: the kind of temporary headquarters out of like a rental space,

1048
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: and I think North Chicago. Don't don't quote me on

1049
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: the exact chunk of town. I'm bad at directions. But

1050
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: organizations called behind Enemy Lines and it's a local they

1051
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: call themselves a militant activist group. That has been kind

1052
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: of controversial because they have made a couple of statements

1053
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 2: about something. So what was the rhyme nineteen sixty eight was.

1054
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 8: That the slogan they've been using is make it great,

1055
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 8: like sixty eight, make it.

1056
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: Great, because nineteen sixty eight was a famously bloody DNC

1057
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: as a result of the conflict over McGovern versus Hubert Humphrey.

1058
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: And this is not so far very much like sixty eight,

1059
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: because everyone's known who the candidates are going to be

1060
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: going into this thing, and the protest today, at least

1061
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: by the time we left, no serious violence. You know,

1062
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: I didn't want to talk a little bit about that

1063
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: group because they made some interesting statements and this is

1064
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 2: not their march today. The march today that we were

1065
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: at is specifically billed as the family friendly one, whereas

1066
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: Behind Enemy Lines has made a couple of statements about like,

1067
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 2: you know, collect bruises from the Chicago police. It's the

1068
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: new fall fashion, that sort of deal. So they're really

1069
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: playing up the hole. There's going to be a big

1070
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: conflict thing. If that happens, it'll be tomorrow because that's

1071
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: when their event is planned. Today was the event that

1072
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: everyone thought was going to be the largest march probably

1073
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: will be.

1074
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 8: It's called the March on the DNC twenty twenty four. Yeah,

1075
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 8: it's put together by a coalition of a lot of

1076
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 8: local different organs in Chicago as well as some once

1077
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 8: from around the country.

1078
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: So heading into this, when organizers were asked, they said

1079
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: they were expecting thirty to forty thousand. I saw a

1080
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: video by I think a CNN guy where he was

1081
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: like fifty thousand people could show up. That's not the

1082
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: numbers we've seen. I would say two to three thousand,

1083
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: maybe five at the most, maybe five k kind of

1084
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: on the outside end. One of the organizers on the

1085
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Speaker 2: mic said that they had fifteen k there. I don't

1086
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: think that was fifteen thousand people. I will say there's

1087
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: more protesters than cops, but it is closer to parody

1088
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: in terms of numbers than you normally get. The Chicago

1089
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: police have been lining every block for several blocks around

1090
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: the protest lines and lines of police vans, some of

1091
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: them fold with riot teams, some of them clearly for

1092
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: potential arrestees. Every time the protests moved, they started in

1093
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: Union Park and moved towards what was the number of the.

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00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 3: Park, number five seven eight.

1095
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 2: Five to seven eight sounds like a fucking half life two, which.

1096
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 8: Is the park that Chicago and DC is wanting most

1097
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 8: of the protests to take place at. Protesters, at least

1098
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 8: these big coalitions have preferred to use Union Park as

1099
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 8: it's bigger. But in this very moment, we just walked

1100
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 8: over from PARC five seven eight, where people are currently

1101
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 8: lined up in front of the fence.

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00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: I would say it was a very controlled event. It's

1103
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 2: possible something's happened since we've left or will happen later,

1104
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: especially people try to occupy the park, But from what

1105
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: happened while we were there, there was a group of

1106
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: a protest safety team who were all wearing Hiva's vests

1107
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 2: that the entire line of march. The march itself was

1108
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: him done on two sides by lines of bike cops

1109
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: using their bikes to make a mobile wall. Inside the

1110
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: line of bike cops was a line of protest safety

1111
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: people in Hiva's vests who when folks tried to confront

1112
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: the fence, there's a fence that is essentially the same

1113
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 2: fence we had in Portland lining et side of the DNC.

1114
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: Some groups of people tried to confront that tried to

1115
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 2: get off of the route of march and move somewhere

1116
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 2: other than back to the park that the safety team wanted,

1117
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: and the safety team basically walled off the protest from

1118
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: doing anything but going back into the park, essentially doing

1119
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: like kind of what the police were doing directly next

1120
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 2: to the police, which caused some conflict and some soreness

1121
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 2: among people, But as of the time we left like

1122
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: nothing else had really happened.

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00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 8: Hello, Future Gear here cutting in from the middle of

1124
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 8: the DNC where I was just suffering through the Hillary

1125
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 8: Clinton speech, and I'm here to tell you that more

1126
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 8: in fact did happen and things actually did get a

1127
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 8: little bit more spicy. But you will hear about that

1128
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 8: a little bit later on in the episode. Anyway, back

1129
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 8: to us sitting on a random Chicago street corner. Yeah,

1130
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 8: among the five thousand people, there's a lot of like

1131
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 8: smaller groups. You know, you will have a few hundred

1132
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 8: people from this organization, this organization, and it's a lot

1133
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 8: of regular people who are both against the genocide in Palestine.

1134
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 8: They do not believe that either political party is going

1135
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 8: to put an effort to actually achieve that, and they

1136
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 8: put most of the blame for sending bombs to Israel

1137
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 8: on Biden and now Kamala.

1138
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: And I would say that's the vast majority. I did

1139
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: run into some people wearing like DNC Kamala shirts that

1140
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: my understanding was they were kind of here to get

1141
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: the vibe. And yeah, it was definitely a lot of

1142
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: hostility towards the DNC, So my guess would be not

1143
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: a positive reaction. There A couple of different communist organizations.

1144
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 3: Here, including five I've never heard of before.

1145
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: Yes, almost none of them. But RevCom was there, which

1146
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: is a fun one that's essentially a CULTL. A few

1147
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: other PSLs there also, kind of on the cult east

1148
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: side of things, I guess. Highlights. We did meet a

1149
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 2: lot of nice people out there, a lot of fans

1150
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: of the show. I was happy to see that they

1151
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: were not with the Popovacchi and crew. Everyone was very nice.

1152
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: I hope we weren't too kurt, which is kind of exhausted,

1153
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: and I've been talking to folks all day.

1154
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 8: I was able to geolocate enemy of the podcast.

1155
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: Jack Posobic. Yes, yes, he was in quote unquote Camo.

1156
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: He was just wearing a green shirt and a kefia

1157
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: around his face, trying to interview people. I ran up

1158
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: to him and yelled his name out repeatedly until he

1159
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 2: acknowledged that he was in fact Jack Pisobic. Then I

1160
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: asked him about an event from twenty seventeen where he

1161
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: showed up at a protest undercover as an ANTIFA with

1162
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: a sign that said rape Milania. BuzzFeed immediately published text

1163
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: messages of him essentially talking to a friend about like, yeah,

1164
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: I think this would be a great idea. We need

1165
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: to get somebody in there with this fucked up sign.

1166
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: So I asked him about it. He didn't want to answer,

1167
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: but he eventually left. I think the only people who

1168
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 2: were willing to talk to him were communists who wanted

1169
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 2: to quote long passages of political writing at him. So

1170
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: I don't think it was a great content for Jack.

1171
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: But we'll see. Maybe this will be what causes him

1172
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: to blow up. We're gonna do some ads, then we're

1173
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: going to come back and talk about some of our highlights,

1174
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: what we expect from the week ahead, and the great

1175
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: city of Chicago, and we're back Garrison. Are you aware

1176
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 2: because we're in Chicago, but the south side of this

1177
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: very city is, according to many, the baddest part of town.

1178
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: And if you go down, I'm just telling you, if

1179
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 2: you go to the south side of Chicago, you need

1180
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 2: to be aware of a man called Leroy. B I

1181
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: knew it, bad, bad Leroy, But he's the baddest man

1182
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: in the whole damn town here. I knew it. I

1183
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 2: knew it batter than old King Kong. He's meaner than

1184
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: a junkyard dog.

1185
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 3: I'm not looking at my fucking notes.

1186
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: All right, okay, great.

1187
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 8: As Robert was checking out this office for this other

1188
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 8: group planning a protest at the Israeli Consulates tomorrow, I

1189
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 8: got to the Union Park protest early, was able to

1190
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 8: walk around. Got a whole bunch of flyers for communists

1191
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 8: magazines that again I have never heard of, and you

1192
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 8: don't need to seek them out either, they will walk

1193
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 8: up to you and put one in yours.

1194
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: I got a whole book by Caleb Mappin, who is

1195
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: a Lushite Communist, which is like it's like the it's

1196
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 2: like the Foiled Charizard Communist, Like you're really yeah, it's

1197
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: beautiful stuff.

1198
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Speaker 8: And then we had like three hours of speeches before

1199
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 8: people eventually left and marched to the march to the

1200
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 8: DNC fence by Park five seven eight. And although most

1201
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 8: of this is about Palestine, there also is some like

1202
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 8: intersectionality with a few other things.

1203
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot.

1204
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: Of LGBTQ stuff, a lot of trans.

1205
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 8: A lot of TBTQ stuff, a bottom stuff obviously a

1206
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 8: lot of abortion rights and stuff that is one of

1207
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 8: abortion rights that has become a recurring, recurring talking point

1208
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 8: that I think, I think I'll mention something a little

1209
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 8: bit closer to the end.

1210
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's one of the groups of counter protesters

1211
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: who has kind of shown up for these people purporting

1212
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: to be like dims against abortion. Basically one of their

1213
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: chants was essentially being anti abortion is being pro trans

1214
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: because trans people might get aborted, which was a fascinating

1215
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 2: argument and an.

1216
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 8: Amazing chant that's both like abortion and is able lest abortions.

1217
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 8: Transphobic abortion is racist. You know, all of all the

1218
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 8: things and what.

1219
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: I'll say, so you know, obviously you and I have

1220
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 2: both expressed either of us really like it when at

1221
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: a protest you have a group of people basically being

1222
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 2: security who wall off other people from doing stuff. What

1223
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: I will say the protest safety team was effective at

1224
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: was every time someone like the Progressives against Abortion or

1225
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 2: whoever would show up, there was a one literal fascist

1226
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 2: lady who I was definitely unwell with like a cardboard

1227
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 2: sign covered in racial slurs. They would just get a

1228
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 2: team to kind of wall them off with their bodies

1229
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 2: and it kept them from becoming like media were not

1230
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: focused around the folks coming into disrep stuff like they

1231
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 2: were at the march yesterday, we were at a march

1232
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: on Sunday afternoon, where as soon as those anti abortion

1233
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 2: folks showed up, every camera turned towards them, because there's

1234
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: this thought that like, oh, maybe this is where there

1235
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 2: will be a conflict.

1236
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 8: No.

1237
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 3: I think walling off groups like that makes sense.

1238
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 8: It's a very effective way to do it. I do

1239
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 8: get very hesitant and a little bit on my toes. Yes,

1240
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 8: whenever they start people in the crowd who are actual participants,

1241
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 8: who are just doing something that people in haives vests

1242
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 8: don't like. Yes, and when you start restricting their freedom

1243
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 8: of movement, when you start walling them off and keep

1244
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 8: and pushing them towards the police await, everyone.

1245
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 2: Else looks like they were trying to push a chunk

1246
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 2: of the crowd, you can get pretty fucked up, including

1247
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 2: the person with a YPG flag that you know, I

1248
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm just inherently sympathetic towards, but yeah, trying

1249
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 2: to push them towards the police riot line. I did

1250
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: not like seeing that.

1251
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 3: And there was some talk about this leading up to

1252
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 3: the DNC.

1253
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 8: There was some like leaked memo I think from some

1254
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 8: PSL people and a few other orgs about plans too.

1255
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 8: If there was any like quote unquote like disruptors or whatever,

1256
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 8: to circle them off, keep them away from the march,

1257
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 8: make sure they cannot rejoin the march, and push them

1258
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 8: towards the police line. Yeah, and that is never great.

1259
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 8: That's never great to see.

1260
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 2: No, especially when all of your chants are like fuck

1261
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: the DNC, Kamala's evil, but like we need to do

1262
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: what the police are not doing here, Like we have

1263
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:55,959
Speaker 2: to be the cops.

1264
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're preventing people from actually marching to the DNC.

1265
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 8: And for most of this march on Monday, it was

1266
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 8: the cops who were leading the march. Yes, literallyhead of

1267
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 8: the march, in front of everybody.

1268
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 3: They both had all of the streets walled off.

1269
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: At the head it was about six to eight cops

1270
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: at any given time, and then a couple of dozen

1271
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: people with cameras, media, and then it was the actual protest.

1272
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 8: But it's essentially the whole the whole march is being

1273
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 8: is being led by police.

1274
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 3: And that's also one thing with.

1275
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 8: Men surrounded whenever you're chanting like who streets are streets

1276
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 8: and all these other things, you're like, this is this.

1277
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 3: Is basically a cop street.

1278
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 8: This is basically a cop led protest all the cops

1279
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 8: at most points I was I was walking by a

1280
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 8: Chicago ped sergeant who was on his comms and that

1281
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 8: he was telling like everyone on the walkie talkie system

1282
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 8: or whatever, like there's there's quote nothing nefarious going on,

1283
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 8: there's nothing to worry about. Everything's good and yeah, from

1284
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 8: their perspective, that was what most of today was like,

1285
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 8: at least until a few hours ago, when people in

1286
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 8: the actual protest organizing committee were sectioning off people that

1287
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 8: they didn't like.

1288
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: From what I have seen so far, you know, there's

1289
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: not much that would go viral that would be big

1290
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: news from this protest. Certainly not much that you would

1291
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 2: say it was embarrassing to anyone now. But there's also

1292
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 2: not much that's gonna like draw any attention if you're

1293
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,919
Speaker 2: considering that the goal of activism like this. I don't

1294
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: see this as like being a needle moving march.

1295
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 8: And even if you have a martial tie dozen people,

1296
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 8: which is good when it's after three hours of speeches

1297
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 8: about communism, that's not actually doing anything to put pressure

1298
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 8: on like the Vite administration the Democrats to actually do

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Speaker 8: something about Palestine.

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Speaker 2: There were several minutes today about getting the US out

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01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 2: of Korea, and like that's going to be your issue.

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Speaker 2: That's going to be your issue. But like you, if

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01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 2: you're kind of making it about everything, it's about nothing. Yeah,

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01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 2: it's about nothing. It was not a lot of punch today.

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Speaker 8: A ceasefire and Palestine is a very popular issue and important.

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Speaker 8: But the more time that you're talking about and trying

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01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 8: to recruit people for like the Revolution TM and fill

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Speaker 8: up your sign up sheet and have speeches about about

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01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 8: you know, Marxism, Marxism, Leninism, the immortal Science, that's not

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Speaker 8: going to actually help anyone in Palestine. At this point.

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure how effective these protests are are going.

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01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 8: That's always hard to say. But if you are actually

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01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 8: trying to apply pressure onto the Democrats onto, like the

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01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 8: party in charge of the executive branch, I think focusing

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01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 8: on that would would probably be be a slightly more beneficial. Hello,

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01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 8: this is gear cutting in again from a corridor underneath

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01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 8: the Democratic National Convention the United Center in Chicago. Sleepy

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Speaker 8: Joe Biden's about hitting the stage. Before he does, I

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01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 8: need to give you a special update. So right after

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Speaker 8: we recorded this little street conversation between me and Robert

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01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 8: a whole bunch of more things happened, So there was

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Speaker 8: already some kind of inter conflict within the march. On

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01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 8: the way to park five seven eight, people had differing

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01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 8: ideas on where they wanted the march to be, like

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01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 8: directed to whether that's just a stopping at the park

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01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 8: or trying to break through and go further into the

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01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 8: actual like DNC perimeter. And eventually we had a smaller

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Speaker 8: group of people kind of up by the fence line

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01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 8: that were able to breach a small secretion of the

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Speaker 8: fence and people started going into one of the many

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01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 8: layered barricades at the d and see now, as this

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01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 8: was happening, some of the protest marshals like organizers and stuff,

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01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 8: tried to rally the rest of the crowd to march

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01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 8: back to Union Park away from this breach at the DNC,

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01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 8: and others started pouring in. There was maybe about like

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01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 8: fifty to seventy five people who actually broke through this line,

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01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 8: and maybe like half of them were protesters, the other

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01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 8: half were like press and media. A whole bunch of

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01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 8: the guys that going through those barricades are people looking

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01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 8: to take photos, and it was a lot of press,

1341
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 8: but police did pressure people out. I think they arrested

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01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 8: maybe like three people in this whole mess. But police

1343
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 8: pushed the remaining people out of the park and closed

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01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 8: it for safety concerns. And then those people who got

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01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 8: pushed out, and then people who were kind of already

1346
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 8: were on the move met back at Union Park where

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01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 8: the day's protests began, and almost immediately they started setting

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01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 8: up in campments, setting up tents, doing like logistics stuff.

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01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 8: Now police saw this happen and did not like this

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01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 8: very much, and they quickly moved in and gave a

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01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,959
Speaker 8: dispersal order. I believe two people were arrested during this

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01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 8: kind of second kerfuffle. Police were saying, people can stay

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01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 8: in the park as long as you're not setting up

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01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 8: tense as long as you're not doing like larger logistics,

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01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 8: you know, using the sound system, all these kinds of things.

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01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 8: And at a certain point, I think police push most

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01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 8: people either onto the edges, onto the periphery orders out

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01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 8: of the area. But a whole bunch of like swat

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01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 8: to a whole bunch of Chicago PD just surrounded this

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01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 8: whole area and kept a pretty tight lit on things.

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01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 8: So I know people were planning to want to do

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Speaker 8: a larger encampment tonight, and Chicago p D would not

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Speaker 8: let that happen. And for whatever reason, there was either

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01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 8: wasn't enough people or there wasn't enough like logistics or

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Speaker 8: dedication to really fight off the chicagopd's.

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Speaker 3: Incursion in Union Park.

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Speaker 8: So now the day is wrapping up, Joe Biden's about

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01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 8: to head on stage, and that is the situation for

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01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 8: the protests. The first day of the DNC back to

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Speaker 8: Robert Evans is sitting on a random street corner.

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Speaker 2: So you know, the highlight to me of today Again,

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01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: we met a lot of very nice fans and they

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01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 2: all seem to be doing smart things, which I like seeing.

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01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 2: There was an old man who had he had a

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01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 2: big Palestinian flag and underneath it was a Bosnian flag.

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01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 2: So we went up to him because I was just

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01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,479
Speaker 2: kind of curious. I had a feeling it had something

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01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 2: to do with the genocide, but like you know, I

1379
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: wanted to talk. And he was a survivor of Strebernitza,

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01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 2: which was a massacre during the the Yugoslav breakup. That was,

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Speaker 2: I mean, just one of the worst exogenocide of the

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01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: twentieth century. And we talked ab it because I'd been

1383
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 2: to streb Burnitza and interviewed some survivors and stuff, and

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01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 2: he was like very moved to be here, expressed a

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01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 2: lot of solidarity with Gaza. Essentially said like I lived

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01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 2: through a genocide too, so I'm going to show up

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Speaker 2: and support these people, which was very moving. Was probably

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01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 2: the most moving part. Definitely the most moving part of

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Speaker 2: the day for.

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Speaker 8: Me, among all these big like socialist, communist newspaper organizations.

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Speaker 2: People are handing out books.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they had a lot of just peapeople who actually

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01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 8: really care about what's going on, and this feels like

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01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 8: to them, like the only thing that they can do. Yes, Like,

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01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 8: especially if you're like from this area, if you're from

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01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 8: the Midwest, You're like, what can actually do to stop

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01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 8: what's going on here?

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Speaker 2: They are all of the leaders of the Democratic Party

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01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 2: are here, you know.

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Speaker 3: And that is a majority of the thousands that are gathered.

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01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I have to say again not to

1402
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,799
Speaker 2: just be shitting on people, but it's probably a tactical

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01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 2: mistake to prior to the event. In the days heading

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01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 2: up to this, some of the organizers said they were

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01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 2: expecting thirty to forty thousand people in town for protests,

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01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 2: and you know, the crowd we got today was a

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01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 2: solid crowd, five thousand people or so, you know, marching

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01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 2: three to five thousand not bad. But when you've gotten

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01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 2: people prepped for that, then the story is going to

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01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: be that, like, well, less people than expected showed up,

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01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 2: and that can be used by folks to make the

1412
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 2: case that, like, well, this isn't really that popular an

1413
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 2: issue for the Democrats, why should they care as much

1414
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 2: about it as they would if you had gotten fifty

1415
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: thousand people in the street.

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 8: Anyway, So that was the the second protest at the DNC.

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01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 8: Technically the first protest was yesterday, the day before mission

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01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 8: actually started.

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01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 3: And yes, both me and Robert were there.

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01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 8: I showed up as early as usual, and Robert showed

1421
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 8: up late as usual.

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01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, laid and hungover, don't you forget hungover?

1423
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 2: Of course, I got drunk as hell on that plane.

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01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 8: It started off with maybe like five undred people slowly

1425
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 8: slowly accumulated to the two but like a thousand. This

1426
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 8: protest was called Bodies Outside Unjust Laws. It was about

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01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 8: Palestine liberation as a part of reproductive justice and trying

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01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 8: to tie these issues together, so trying to like rope

1429
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 8: in like a reproductive rights feminists who are here for

1430
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 8: the DNC into looking at Gaza as a part of

1431
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 8: the reproductive rights issue with like the deaths of you know, mothers,

1432
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,759
Speaker 8: the restriction of healthcare, and gaza deaths of babies, childrens

1433
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,560
Speaker 8: I've bred in children from families after bobbings or evacuations

1434
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 8: all all that kind of stuff. So initially they were

1435
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 8: all gathered in front of the Chicago Trump Tower, which

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01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 8: unfortunately is a pretty good looking building at least in

1437
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 8: my opinion. There was also a few like big anti

1438
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 8: Trump scigns as there were today. There was a yeah,

1439
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 8: there was a woman with a sign that that just

1440
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 8: read Trump and JAD events are weird, but she also

1441
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 8: had Gaza stuff all like, she also had like Gaza pins.

1442
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 2: And there were also there's some people who I you

1443
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 2: could tell her here for the DNC, but who showed

1444
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 2: up and like yelled in support, but also had like

1445
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 2: a Kamala shirt. Or there was one lady who had

1446
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 2: like fuck Trump went written on her arm and who

1447
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 2: clearly just kind of showed up in between her day

1448
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 2: to like go cheer a couple of times.

1449
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 8: Then move on just up today. You know, there was

1450
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 8: there was PSL people.

1451
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 2: Party for Socialism and Liberation, if you're curious.

1452
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 8: There was there was this one other socialist group who

1453
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 8: was really repting Jill Stein, say Jill Stein, you know,

1454
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 8: saying she's the only candidate that is against the genocide,

1455
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 8: which technically isn't true.

1456
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 2: The Libertarian Party candidate, she's been pro several genocides and.

1457
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 3: Similar Today.

1458
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 8: You know, there were some people who showed up to

1459
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 8: be like corkers, right people on bikes to help section

1460
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 8: off the march from like roads or cars, which proved

1461
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 8: to be ultimately useless because police were doing all of

1462
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 8: the core and lots of cops immediately when I when

1463
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 8: I when I was walking downtown to this protest yesterday,

1464
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 8: just the sheer number of Chicago PD was just stifling.

1465
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 2: This is very different from the rn C almost I

1466
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 2: would say ninety five percent of the law enforcement we've

1467
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 2: seen have been Chicago and Illinois cops.

1468
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 8: Yes, actual local police, as opposed to the R and C,

1469
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 8: where there's a majority like out of state police. Yes

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01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 8: yesterday did not have tons of medics today did. That's

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Speaker 8: not unsurprising.

1472
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 2: Everyone was expecting today to be the biggest day, and

1473
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 2: it probably will turn out to be.

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01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 8: Yes, But like I said, yeah, I mean even yesterday

1475
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 8: at the very first one, they still they still had

1476
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 8: one thousand people. They were really really tying as much

1477
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 8: as they could into the reproductive rights issue.

1478
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw, we saw.

1479
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 8: Pussy hats, we saw you know, all of all that

1480
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 8: kind of stuff. And one of the funniest things from

1481
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 8: yesterday and we saw some of it today too, is

1482
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 8: that with all these different communist newspapers, they were like competing,

1483
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 8: they were competing to be the ones that have like

1484
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,799
Speaker 8: the true path to the revolution, like like handing out flyers,

1485
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 8: handing out pamphlets, be like, no, this is we We're

1486
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 8: the ones that haven't figured out. And you have like

1487
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 8: seven of these groups going after this say like the

1488
01:12:58,360 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 8: same person.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 2: I felt very good when Jack wound up stumbling into

1491
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 2: one of those guys, because I was like, Okay, he

1492
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: is going to bore the hell out of Jack Psobic,

1493
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: but he's clearly he's also like has enough talking points

1494
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 2: that they're just kind of be going to be running

1495
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 2: talking points at each other, which is good. I always

1496
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 2: get worried when some one like Jack shows up, that

1497
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 2: they're going to find either some like nice normal person

1498
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 2: who's not ready to be on camera, or you know,

1499
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 2: somebody who's especially protests like this. She often I'm like

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01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 2: an old guy who's an anti circumsition activist just shows

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01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 2: up to every protest and he's like kind of harmless kook,

1502
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 2: and they get made fun of a lot. So I'm

1503
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: always happy to see when an asshole shows up and

1504
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 2: gets confronted by someone who is just ready to sit

1505
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 2: in there and talk for hours.

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01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 8: And you know, similar to today, there was a small

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01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 8: collection quote unquote like progressive anti abortion activists that showed up.

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01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 8: They kept mostly to the side of the crowd largely

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01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 8: ignored them. But one thing I did like is that

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01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 8: there was people in the crowd caring around signs about

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01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 8: like abortion pill instructions, like how to use one word

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Speaker 8: to get one, and that was that that was very

1513
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 8: nice to see. And similar to today as well, there

1514
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 8: was a few like DNC volunteers walking through the crowd,

1515
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 8: either because they actually do agree with these issues or

1516
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 8: just because they're like just because like they're curious, who

1517
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 8: knows what I mean. Obviously they're still you know, probably

1518
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 8: more pro Haerrison, most people in the crowd, but they

1519
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,759
Speaker 8: still might you know, nominally care about these issues.

1520
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 2: But yesterday they got booed.

1521
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 8: Well walking through the crowd, the crowd was was was

1522
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 8: not was not happy to have them, specifically the people

1523
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 8: from behind enemy lines.

1524
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 3: We're giving out most of the booze.

1525
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 8: Referring to the protest tomorrow at the Israeli Consulate at

1526
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 8: seven pm, that's Tuesday, they said that they're gonna be

1527
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 8: the group that quote unquote brings the ruckus, and that

1528
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 8: is the vibe that they have. I think that is

1529
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 8: probably that's gonna be maybe but one of the more

1530
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 8: like conflictual protests. Yes, that we're going to see this

1531
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 8: week tomorrow on that's that's too.

1532
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 2: Loud, doubt, So yeah, we will.

1533
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 8: We will be there on Tuesday to see what goes

1534
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 8: down there. I'm about to walk into the d n

1535
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 8: C to hear Old Sleepy Joe. We're taking bets to

1536
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 8: see if he has a stroke on stay age. One

1537
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 8: thing that people have been able to use a lot,

1538
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 8: and that is, you know, a very real and valid

1539
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 8: issue is that just last week the government, including you know,

1540
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 8: the Biden Harris administration as well as Congress proved a

1541
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 8: twenty billion dollar arms deal to Israel. We know how

1542
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 8: they're using these weapons as many meetings that Kamon's going

1543
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 8: to take about, you know, in arms embargo. At least

1544
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 8: currently we are still sending over we're doing the opposite,

1545
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 8: which is what most people gathered here are concerned about.

1546
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 8: You know, it's great to see people talking about abortion,

1547
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 8: LGBTQ stuff. You know, all the other reasons that the

1548
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 8: US is doing things that are bad. But you know,

1549
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 8: when it comes to like talking to like the Democrats

1550
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 8: at the DNC right that the Democrats are pro abortion.

1551
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 8: They are, they are nominally pro these things. Pressuring on

1552
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 8: the Palestinian stuff is going to be probably the biggest

1553
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 8: thing as expected in these next few days.

1554
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 2: So we'll see how that goes. We'll be back tomorrow

1555
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 2: and the rest of the week from the DNC. This

1556
01:15:50,360 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 2: has been it could happen here, happening to you, Welcome

1557
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 2: to it could happen here? A podcast about how to

1558
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 2: pronounce the vice president and maybe future president's name, which

1559
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 2: is Kamala. See I got it, Sophie.

1560
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, but you looked at me for reassurance.

1561
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 2: No, I looked at you to be like look at me.

1562
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 2: I'm doing it. I'm riding a bike with no training wheels. Garrison,

1563
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 2: how's uh, how's grinder going?

1564
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 8: It's okay. I mean it's certainly better than the r

1565
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 8: n C. Yeah, but it's it's still slow picking because

1566
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 8: I mean to find better.

1567
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,560
Speaker 2: Have you have you run into He lives in the

1568
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 2: South side of Chicago, a guy named six Garrison. So

1569
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,959
Speaker 2: this is day two, ladies call him treat.

1570
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 8: The Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Illinois.

1571
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:55,719
Speaker 3: I'm Garrison Davis.

1572
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 8: We are here with Sophie Lichterman and Robert Evans, and

1573
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 8: I guess let's pick up right where we left off yesterday,

1574
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 8: because we're recording this Tuesday morning. Yesterday we had a

1575
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 8: full day of protests. There's still some protests today that

1576
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 8: we'll get to later. But we were also able to

1577
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 8: spend a decent bit of time in the actual d

1578
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 8: and C last night. And I think me and Sophie

1579
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 8: will have certainly much to say about that. But I'm

1580
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 8: gonna throw it to Robert Evans, because Robert Evans went

1581
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 8: back to protests after our dinner, and how was that

1582
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 8: it was?

1583
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 2: You know, by the time I got back, the police

1584
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 2: had mostly knocked everything apart. There was a brief attempt

1585
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 2: to occupy the park after we left. So right after

1586
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 2: we left, there was a scuffle over the fence and

1587
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 2: some people managed to reach it, largely due to the

1588
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 2: fact that the kind of fences that they use that

1589
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 2: they put up outside of events like this are all

1590
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 2: the same. It's the same tile of fence they had

1591
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 2: up in Portland, and if you remember the fighting over

1592
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 2: the fence in Portland, part of why there was days

1593
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 2: of fighting is because it was a pretty short section

1594
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 2: of fence, they were able to have it enforced very heavily. Here.

1595
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 2: It was kind of more of a visual barrier than

1596
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 2: an actual physical barrier because they just there was two

1597
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 2: There's probably miles of cumulative fencing, and they don't have

1598
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 2: it all reinforced enough, so when a crowd got close enough,

1599
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 2: it was surprisingly easy for them to push their way in.

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01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 2: Three people i think got arrested at the fence breach.

1601
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 2: I've heard some folks say it was partly because press

1602
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 2: crowding in made it impossible for people to get away

1603
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 2: from the cops. Just given the way the rest of

1604
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 2: the day worked and what I've seen, I think that's

1605
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 2: pretty credible. It was one of those things where on

1606
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:36,759
Speaker 2: the ground, if you were just kind of looking at tweets,

1607
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 2: I think it would it would look like it had

1608
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 2: been a larger part of what happened that day than

1609
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 2: it was, because it really was a few minutes and

1610
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 2: then things calmed down relatively quickly. But it did have

1611
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 2: an impact on the actual DNC itself, like if you're

1612
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 2: looking at the protests outside over Gaza. As part of

1613
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 2: their goal being to disrupt the DNC, they succeeded in

1614
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 2: doing that because once there was a breach in the perimeter,

1615
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 2: the Secret Service has and I don't know what these are,

1616
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 2: but said they certainly do have like a checklist of like,

1617
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 2: these are the things we do if there is a breach,

1618
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 2: And one of the things that we know they did

1619
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 2: and after that breach is they shut down all of

1620
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:20,640
Speaker 2: the other multiple entrances for media and delegates and attendees

1621
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 2: into the event and funneled everyone through one entrance, which

1622
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,520
Speaker 2: caused a clusterfuck for a massive bottom.

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01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 10: Line, I was gonna say, they sure did.

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01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 2: They sure did.

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01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 8: Me and Sophy spent quite a while trying to get

1626
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 8: into the DNC after this, because yes, all of the

1627
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 8: entrances on the northeast and west side of the convention

1628
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 8: all got shut down. Everyone was funneled into one entrance

1629
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 8: on the south side. The line to get in was

1630
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 8: just just crazy. It was so so large.

1631
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 2: I would have to say again if you're looking at

1632
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 2: the goal of these movements as like causing embarrassment and

1633
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: disruption to the DNC, because fucking up entrance to the

1634
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 2: DNC fucks up for all of the influencers and media

1635
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 2: people trying to get in. I saw more anger over

1636
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,799
Speaker 2: how fucked up getting in last night was than anything

1637
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 2: that had happened, like in terms of like formative social

1638
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 2: media anger, than anything that had actually happened in the streets.

1639
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 2: So I would have to call that a pretty good

1640
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 2: win for the protest.

1641
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 1: I ever heard numerous DNC goers wearing their their best

1642
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: their best merch complaining that it was the protester's fault.

1643
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, that the lines were so long.

1644
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 8: Well, I mean people were also complaining about just like

1645
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 8: the level of like the DNC's like organization and.

1646
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 3: Out because it was a mix.

1647
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 8: It was because of this, you know, triggered by actions

1648
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 8: via protesters, but also because of how the DNC was

1649
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 8: handling everything. It was a compounding, a compounding nightmare for

1650
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 8: many people. And I mean in terms of other like

1651
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 8: other disruptions. We heard from a woman who's staying at

1652
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 8: our same hotel that she left at four pm to

1653
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 8: get to the DNC. She left on like one of

1654
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 8: the the DNC shuttles and it took her four hours

1655
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 8: to get in now. And part of what happened was

1656
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 8: that if she left on the DNC shuttle at around four,

1657
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 8: she probably got to the area around four forty five,

1658
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 8: just because you know, there's slow it's traffic.

1659
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 10: No no, no, no, no, no no.

1660
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 8: And what happened next is that around four point fifty

1661
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 8: is when the is when the fence got breached, and

1662
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 8: then everyone getting off the shuttles could not what happened,

1663
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 8: they did like this like a mini security lockdown. Everyone

1664
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,799
Speaker 8: was just told they have to stay in the shuttle.

1665
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 8: She had to stay sitting in the shuttle for an

1666
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 8: extra forty five minutes. She could not exit because they

1667
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 8: were not letting people get off the shuttles as as

1668
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 8: the fence was breached. So like it's it's stuff like

1669
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 8: that that creates like these like compounding fractures.

1670
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,799
Speaker 2: And this is probably if something similar were to happen tonight,

1671
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 2: and the protests, as far as I know, are not

1672
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 2: planned to be in the same kind of locations as

1673
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 2: they were, so I don't think that's likely. I don't

1674
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 2: think it would have a severe response because a big

1675
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 2: part of what was going on Monday is that both

1676
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: the president and vice president were in the same building.

1677
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 2: So everything that normally exists in terms of security at

1678
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 2: an event like this was taken up to the suitcase

1679
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 2: that ends the world was in the venue right like,

1680
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: so everything was on and like just escalated to the

1681
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 2: nth degree, which is why never take the fucking buses.

1682
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 2: It's long, but one of my rules.

1683
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, my take is she left a four pm. She

1684
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 1: didn't get in until about eight pm.

1685
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 2: Not worth it. Yeah, I would rather die. I would

1686
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 2: rather die.

1687
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,719
Speaker 10: It sounds like a episode of Black Mirror.

1688
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 2: Uh huh. It's terrible. So I got back to the

1689
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 2: protest a little later. My understanding sounds like between seven

1690
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 2: and nine arrests over the course of the day. There

1691
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 2: were had been like three at the fence breach. There

1692
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 2: were three or four more when people tried to briefly

1693
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 2: set up an encampment that really did not last very long.

1694
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 3: Was very quick to take that down.

1695
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 2: And it was the I had been kind of wondering,

1696
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 2: and I still think we might see some mace to night,

1697
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 2: but it didn't, despite like the kind of Chicago sixty

1698
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 2: eight tear gas stories that people keep talking about, that

1699
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 2: did not seem likely at all during the no.

1700
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I've heard from ultiple people on the ground

1701
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 8: that it's it seems like chagoped is very aware of

1702
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 8: the optics. Yes, And you know, despite being like the

1703
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 8: police they are, they are trying to not immediately bring

1704
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 8: out the truncheons on everyone's heads.

1705
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 3: Now, they do have the truncheons on.

1706
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 2: They've all got and they've got they have the they

1707
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 2: have the worn ass old wooden ones.

1708
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 3: They do have them.

1709
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 8: But they are they are trying to be as hands

1710
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 8: off physically as they can, of course, like relying on

1711
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 8: the amount of like internal peace policing from these like

1712
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 8: big or mass groups.

1713
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 2: But the other thing that they have going for them

1714
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 2: is when they do have to get go hands on,

1715
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 2: there are so many of them that they do not

1716
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 2: need to use crowd control. Well, crowd control weapons are

1717
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 2: things police use when they are out number That's partly

1718
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 2: why Portland police are so nuts with it is because

1719
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 2: they're almost no police in Portland, like it is literally

1720
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 2: the least police city per capita in the country pretty much,

1721
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 2: whereas you know Chicago. I think the protesters outnumbered the

1722
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 2: police yesterday, but not by a lot, Like it was

1723
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 2: not an overwhelming amount.

1724
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 8: There is a few differences between you know this and

1725
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 8: the RNC, obviously, and one of the main ones is

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Speaker 8: that most of the cops we have seen have been local.

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Speaker 8: They have been Chicago PD. There's been some Illinois State troopers.

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Speaker 8: Of course, there's like Secret Service, Homeland Security Investigations FBI,

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Speaker 8: but mostly it is just Chicago PUD even around the.

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Speaker 2: Premier CPD and Illinois State Illinois State. Yeah, based on

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01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 2: how because I had been I had been reading updates

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Speaker 2: for the last couple of weeks on how security plans

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Speaker 2: were proceeding for the DNC, I think that part of

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Speaker 2: what we've seen, a large part was influenced by the

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01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 2: guy that police murdered in Milwaukee, because it was a

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Speaker 2: couple of days after the RNC that I started seeing

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01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 2: the first articles about how there would not be out

1738
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,799
Speaker 2: of state police doing trolling around the City of Chicago.

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Speaker 2: So it does seem like, thankfully somebody over here recognized that, like,

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01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 2: oh you if we have a bunch of fucking Ohio

1741
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 2: cops wandering around downtown Chicago like they're going to murder somebody,

1742
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 2: like they're going to freak out because these hay seed

1743
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 2: hicks have heard nothing in their entire lives as much

1744
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 2: as how dangerous Chicago is, They're just going to start blasting. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I guess I'm just glad that hopefully nobody gets

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Speaker 2: murdered by the cops this this week.

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Speaker 3: Well, do you know what we can't get murdered by?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Garrison, Wow, Yes, Yes, indeed.

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Speaker 8: Services. That's the fourth this podcast. If you enjoy them

1750
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 8: too much, you know, too much of a good thing

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Speaker 8: is bad. That's what I've heard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's really why I'm not sure if

1753
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Speaker 2: you don't overdose on products. You meet with bad bad

1754
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 2: Lee Roy Brown, because he's got a custom continental, he's

1755
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 2: got an Alado, Sophie, I'm a trendsetter. Nobody was talking

1756
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 2: about bad Badle Roy Brown except for the one guy

1757
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Speaker 2: who very famously talked about bad bad Le Roy Brown.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to It could happen here.

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Speaker 8: So after getting through that that clusterfuck of a security

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Speaker 8: entrance means Zobe did eventually make it inside the DNC,

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Speaker 8: which we'll talk about in a sec But as me

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Speaker 8: and Robert we were parading around the protests on Monday,

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01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 8: Sophie Lichterman was infiltrating dem Palooza, which is.

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Speaker 2: The wrong way. It should be Demapalooza.

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Speaker 3: It should be dema Paloza, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: The angriest let me just give you some visuals here.

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Speaker 10: First of all, you're absolutely cracked.

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Speaker 1: The name is embarrassing, and that's generally how I felt

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Speaker 1: about Dempaluza.

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Speaker 2: What is dem Paluzavalusa is like a first off only

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Speaker 2: the gen X people are going to remember Lollapalooza.

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Speaker 8: No chapel Roone just performed at Lollapalooza.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't seund do you? I don't some kind of

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Speaker 2: horse great?

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Speaker 3: Keep going keeping somebody Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, it was like half trade show, half panels by

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Speaker 1: people talking about things that they think that the DNC

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Speaker 1: crowd will care about, leaning in too hard on the memes,

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Speaker 1: like a there was a booth.

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Speaker 3: Was it the coconut Vibes booth.

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Speaker 2: It was the I almost thought that was a bored

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Speaker 2: apes thing at first.

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Speaker 10: They just they just I was like, why are we

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Speaker 10: why are we acknowledging?

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Speaker 2: Fine, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: There was there was like cool Coconut Vibes here booth,

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Speaker 1: and right behind it was a seated area with like

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Speaker 1: probably like one hundred chairs and there were two people

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01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 1: giving speeches on something, and there were two people.

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Speaker 10: In the crowd.

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Speaker 8: Many many such cases, such cases, and you know, there

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Speaker 8: was a lot of cardboard cutouts with VP Harris's face

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Speaker 8: on it.

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Speaker 10: There was like a VP. Harris as Wonder Woman section,

1795
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 10: and then there was a section with.

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Speaker 2: Shirts they're having fun, just so.

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Speaker 1: That people have an under understanding of like the level

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Speaker 1: of embarrassing. There was a one booth while I was

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Speaker 1: waiting in the very unorganized line to get into the

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Speaker 1: Panels area of Den Paloza that had shirts for sale

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Speaker 1: for twenty eight dollars, featuring one that said beware of

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Speaker 1: the uptidy whities.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean?

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01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 2: Uptight white people? I'm guessing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I believe, I believe so, But also why twenty

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Speaker 1: eight dollars? Band dictionaries at your own pearl?

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Speaker 4: Oh god?

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Speaker 10: Okay, make stupid embarrassing again.

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Speaker 2: You get the picture.

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Speaker 3: You get it, all right, you get the picture. So

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Speaker 3: what panels did you attend at Den Paluza.

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Speaker 1: The first panel I went to was a panel that

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Speaker 1: was like, how to talk to your relatives about Project

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: A great Thanksgiving dinner talk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was very unorganized, and so I was

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Speaker 1: thirty minutes late getting into it because not a single

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Speaker 1: volunteer had been trained on how to get people into panels.

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Speaker 1: And they had a circuit all around the building several

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Speaker 1: times until I found a very nice security guard who

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Speaker 1: actually worked for the building that was like, you go

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Speaker 1: that way, thank you, sir, And I walk into this panel.

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Speaker 10: There are seats for maybe three hundred people.

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Speaker 1: There is one man at the front of the stage

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Speaker 1: and about fifteen people listening. And I sat there for

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Speaker 1: about five minutes and got up because it was basically

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Speaker 1: the sum of it was, if your your relatives that

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01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 1: you disagree with are trying to tell you something, don't

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01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 1: yell at them.

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Speaker 10: Listen to them first, which is not terrible to look.

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Speaker 2: If your relatives want to start talking politics at the

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Speaker 2: dinner table this year, this is going to be terrible handgun,

1833
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 2: drop it on the table, and then just sit down,

1834
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 2: put your legs up, stare at them. Just like the

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01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 2: post the exact I learn everything about negotiations from the

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Speaker 2: Portland Police Union.

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Speaker 8: This is interesting, though, Sovid because every night at the

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Speaker 8: DNC they're going to be reading from Project twenty twenty

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Speaker 8: five on the main stage. Yesterday they were reading about

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Speaker 8: all of the plans within that document to basically make

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01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 8: Trump a de facto dictator. Tonight they're going to be

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01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 8: reading on sections about how Project twenty five will affect

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01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 8: the economy in your pocketbook. So they have this plan

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Speaker 8: to every night actually talk about and read from the

1845
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 8: actual document, you know. Framing this says like this is

1846
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 8: basically like Trump's plan for once he gets into office,

1847
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 8: or this is like Republicans plan for Trump once he

1848
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 8: gets into office, and you know, this type of like

1849
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 8: scaremongering fear rhetoric around what Trump would do was semi

1850
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 8: successful in twenty twenty, and I think they're trying to,

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01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 8: you know, use this similarly now.

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Speaker 2: I also think it's smart because there's two big threats here.

1853
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 2: One of them is does the election, you know, go

1854
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 2: badly for Trump, which is an open question. And then

1855
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Speaker 2: the other is if it does, he's not going to concede.

1856
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 2: Do the Republicans have shit together to actually steal the election,

1857
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 2: to do another Brooks Brothers riot, to refuse certification, to

1858
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 2: try and kick up enough uncertainty that they can take

1859
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 2: it to the Supreme Court for a steal. And the

1860
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 2: only way, ultimately, if it's an arrow enough election that

1861
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Speaker 2: the Republicans go for that, the only real way to

1862
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 2: fight back is to get an overwhelming number of people

1863
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 2: out and angry in the streets, like enough that it

1864
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 2: frightens you know, the Supreme Court and everyone else who

1865
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 2: would be required to actually put in like sweat equity

1866
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 2: to carry off that steel. And one of the ways

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01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 2: you do that is by making the stakes really clear.

1868
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 2: And so I think this is a it's a good

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01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 2: idea and responsible that they're focusing on Project twenty twenty

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01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 2: five as much as they are, and probably what's necessary

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01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,759
Speaker 2: to I'm hoping that the dims don't fold. If that happens,

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Speaker 2: I guess we'll fucking see. You know, it's not two thousand.

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Speaker 8: Soby what was the second panel you went to at Dempaluzo?

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Speaker 1: So I walked around and looked into a bunch of

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01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 1: different rooms to see if panels had a big crowd

1876
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 1: or not, and it was definitely or not. And then

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Speaker 1: I went to the Voices for Justice, Democrats for Palestinian

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01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: Human Rights panel that was.

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Speaker 11: Packed.

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Speaker 3: It sounded like the most popular panel of the day.

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Speaker 1: Packed, no seats available, standing room and just the the

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Speaker 1: energy was very respectful. Everyone in there was earnestly excited

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Speaker 1: that this was happening.

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Speaker 10: But also it was.

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Speaker 1: Mentioned many times that this was a step, but obviously

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01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:20,799
Speaker 1: not the step that they wanted. And it was filled

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01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: with media but also just people that were there for

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01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 1: Dempaluza wanting to hear what people had to say. It

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01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: was a very diverse group of people and the panel featured,

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01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, several activists, former members of the House of Representatives.

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Speaker 3: Someone from the Uncommitted Committee.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I believe they were part of organizing this panel.

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Speaker 1: Although this panel was a official campaign approved panel, which

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01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 1: was brought up many times by each person who spoke

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01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 1: as a thing that it was a first of its

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Speaker 1: kind approved campaign panel in regard to the people of Palestine.

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Speaker 2: And it's part of the dance the DNC has been

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01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 2: trying to do where they it is such a popular

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01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 2: issue like giving a shit about the genocide, wanting to

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01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,600
Speaker 2: cease fire, that they can't not signal to it. But

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01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:18,839
Speaker 2: also there's absolutely no willingness at the top to actually

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01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 2: hold Israel accountable, so they like they hold this event,

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01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 2: they approve it, and it becomes the most popular one

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01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 2: at the DNC. Biden makes a very mild line and

1905
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 2: support of life, basically saying there was a line during

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01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 2: speech last night that like the protesters outside of a

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01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 2: point right, which is not taking meaningful action, but it

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01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 2: is like it gets one of the largest reactions from

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01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 2: the crowd that night. I mean, you guys were in

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Speaker 2: the room, but at least from where I was watching

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Speaker 2: at the bar, it sounded like a pretty sizable response.

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Speaker 2: And that's I guess the juggling act that they're still

1913
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 2: trying to do is like can we continue not actually

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01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 2: committing on anything while keeping some of these people happy.

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Speaker 8: And the uncommitted people are basically like this the protest

1916
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 8: group that's holding their votes, you know, hostage almost to

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01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 8: say like if you want us to vote for you, Harris,

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01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 8: you have to signal something, whether that be like an

1919
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 8: arms embargo, a real effort towards getting a ceasefire done,

1920
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 8: trying to lobby for change by using their vote as

1921
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:20,719
Speaker 8: a bargaining chip.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a couple interesting things to note before I

1923
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: play an audio clip for the listeners here. It took

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01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 1: almost the entire panel for them to mention Joe Biden

1925
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 1: by name. I think that only happened once. It was

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01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 1: mostly just referring to the party itself. At one point

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01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 1: a panel member thank to VP Harris, and she's trying

1928
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 1: we need to hold her accountable, but give her a chance,

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01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: which was the general energy from the entire entire group

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Speaker 1: is like, she is.

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Speaker 2: Not Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: We're hoping for better. Yeah, she's made an inch of

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Speaker 1: a step. We need more, but we want to give

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Speaker 1: her a chance.

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Speaker 12: To do that.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, it's a really different vibe from a

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Speaker 2: lot of the protests where you have people who are

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Speaker 2: kind of more committed political radicals as opposed to the

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Speaker 2: uncommitted folks. The overwhelming vibe is we would really like

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Speaker 2: to get on board this, but you need to do

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Speaker 2: something right.

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Speaker 1: The clip that I'm about to play for the listeners

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Speaker 1: here comes from a doctor, doctor Tanya Haja San, who

1944
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Speaker 1: is a pediatric intensive care doctor who works with the

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01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 1: humanitarian organization Doctors Without Borders, and she has spent the

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01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 1: last decade as a medical trainer and helping people and

1947
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: organizations in Gaza in the West Bank. And she spoke

1948
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Speaker 1: for ten minutes, and I thought it was pretty moving.

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Speaker 1: It was a large room and I was able to

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Speaker 1: get very clear audio, which kind of says a lot

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Speaker 1: about the crowd, and she kind of just spoke about

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Speaker 1: her experience, and yeah, I guess I'll just played that

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Speaker 1: clip for everyone now.

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Speaker 12: When the Uncomitted.

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Speaker 7: Movement asked me to be here, I be texted every

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Speaker 7: doctor and surgeon.

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01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 12: That I knew who had been to Gaza in the

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01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 12: last ten months, and.

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Speaker 7: I asked them if they wanted to join me here

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Speaker 7: in Chicago. And the overwhelming response, actually every single person

1961
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 7: said yes, let me see if I can switch out

1962
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 7: of my shift, and many.

1963
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 12: Of them are actually here in Chicago right now.

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01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 7: Because we cannot unsee what we witnessed and caused every

1965
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 7: single one of us, many of us have worked in

1966
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 7: many wars before and we have never seen.

1967
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 12: Anything so it reaches so atrocious.

1968
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,679
Speaker 7: And that is why many of us swapped out shifts.

1969
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 7: Had phoned a very long way to speak to politicians

1970
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,759
Speaker 7: when we're not helps ourself.

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01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:51,440
Speaker 12: As doctors were trained to protect and reserve.

1972
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 8: Life, and.

1973
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 12: This Israeli military.

1974
01:36:56,520 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 7: Campaign that's targeting life and every thing needed to statement.

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01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 12: Has rendered that impossible. And that is why so many

1976
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 12: of us have.

1977
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 7: Taken to other needs of trying to protect life. For

1978
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 7: the past ten months, we have witnessed civilian massacre after civilian.

1979
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:19,640
Speaker 12: Massacre, school massacres who internally displaced people with.

1980
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 7: Children, the Flower massacre, massacres of people try to collect water,

1981
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 7: massacres of people are collecting eight of eight sites massacre

1982
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 7: after civilian massacre, Entire families exterminated in one single bomb, humanitarians,

1983
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 7: healthcare workers killed at and journalists killed in record numbers,

1984
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 7: pediatric amputations, amputations, and children that are heartbreaking records over

1985
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:54,600
Speaker 7: seventeen thousand children.

1986
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:56,800
Speaker 12: Who have lost one or both parents.

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Speaker 7: Since October in Gaza.

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Speaker 12: We have treated so many children who have lost their

1989
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 12: entire family that it has a term has.

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Speaker 7: Been coined to describe these children who probably heard it

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01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 7: Wounded Child on Surviving Family in WCNSF. This is a

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Speaker 7: term that has been coined since October to describe as

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Speaker 7: very frequent phenomenon that I personally witnessed more times than

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Speaker 7: I can count while I was there.

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Speaker 1: For children.

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Speaker 7: I have held the hand of children who are taking

1997
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 7: their last guests because their entire family was killed in

1998
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 7: the same attack and couldn't be there holding their hand

1999
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Speaker 7: and comforting them, and could not bury them thereafter. For

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Speaker 7: the children who I treated who were discharged, they were

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01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 7: and survived, they face a Russian let of a hundred

2002
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 7: ways that they will like me and pretend to die

2003
01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 7: when they leave the hospital due to the service answer

2004
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 7: is incompatible with life that has been architectured vias, military assault,

2005
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 7: direct bombing, starvation, dehydration, disease. Alarming reports of the first

2006
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 7: cases of polio and gaza right now. Polio's a potentially

2007
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:20,679
Speaker 7: deadly diseased that causes paralysis, including paralysis the muscles needed

2008
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 7: to breathe, that has been eradicated for decades in that region.

2009
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 7: There's been a polio fascination campaign that essentially is eradicated

2010
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Speaker 7: the disease from the majority of the world, and now

2011
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 7: we're seeing cases.

2012
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Speaker 12: Emerging in a.

2013
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Speaker 7: Area of the world that cannot that has a healthier

2014
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 7: system that has been completely and entirely annihilated. I mentioned

2015
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 7: these wounded children with no surviving family. I'm going to

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01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 7: give you two quick stories just so that you can

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01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 7: humanize what I mean when going to say this, because

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01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 7: I know it's really hard to hear these numbers and

2019
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 7: think about individuals and what this means to them. I

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Speaker 7: received a young boy in the emergency department during one

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01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 7: of the mass casualties who had hating half of his

2022
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 7: face and antholwa Luckily, the organs that are lighted for

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01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 7: breathing and blood supplied.

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Speaker 12: To the brain were preserved.

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Speaker 7: They were visible but preserved, and he was talking to us.

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Speaker 12: He couldn't see himself, so.

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Speaker 7: He didn't know what he looked like at that point

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Speaker 7: in time, and he kept asking for his sister.

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Speaker 12: His sister was in the bed next to him.

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Speaker 7: The majority of her body was burned beyond recognition. He

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01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 7: didn't recognize that.

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Speaker 12: The girl in the bed next.

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Speaker 7: In his sister, his entire family, parents, and the rest

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Speaker 7: of his siblings who are killed in the same attack.

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Speaker 7: That always survived. And the next day I went to

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Speaker 7: see him. A very young plastic surgeon, one of the

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Speaker 7: few remaining plastic surgeons in God because both the others

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01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 7: have either been killed or have fled. To understand, Lee

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Speaker 7: had removed part of his chest and created a graft

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01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 7: to cover those vible that organs in the net. He

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01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:03,679
Speaker 7: was lying in his bed and mung Wing's so difficult

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01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 7: to talk, and he kept saying I felt really close

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Speaker 7: to him.

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Speaker 3: And he said I envisioned and died too.

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01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 11: And I said what And.

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Speaker 7: He said, I think my entire family has gone to

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01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:17,719
Speaker 7: heaven or it's not. My entire comming is exact words

2048
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:20,719
Speaker 7: or something effective. Everybody I loved is now in heaven.

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Speaker 12: I don't want to be here anymore. That is one

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01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:25,520
Speaker 12: of so many stories.

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Speaker 1: Well, uh, yep, that's yeah.

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Speaker 10: Here's some ads, some ads.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, all right, we are back.

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Speaker 8: We're gonna close this episode by talking about means of

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Speaker 8: these experiences in the actual DNC once we finally got

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Speaker 8: past that ridiculous security gate. So we got in and

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01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 8: the biggest thing that we realized first was just how

2058
01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 8: disorganized this was, at least compared to the RNC. Now,

2059
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 8: this is due to number of factors, the protests being one.

2060
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Speaker 8: There's simply just more people at the DNC, like, way

2061
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:06,759
Speaker 8: way more people.

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01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely feel like one of the right wing

2063
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 1: things to do right now is to be like there

2064
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 1: was nobody there.

2065
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it was packed. It was way more crowded than

2066
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Speaker 2: Monday at the Art.

2067
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 8: It was much harder to find a place to sit

2068
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Speaker 8: inside the arena.

2069
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:27,679
Speaker 1: Honestly hard to find a place to comfortably stand inside

2070
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:32,040
Speaker 1: the arena. No so unbelievably packed. Garrison and I got

2071
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:36,480
Speaker 1: inside of the actual seating area trying to find a

2072
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:40,759
Speaker 1: place to sit briefly as VP Harris came to greet

2073
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 1: the crowd, and it was roar y.

2074
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Speaker 8: It was what I would describe as electric electric. People

2075
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 8: really like to see her. She played it very casual

2076
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:51,880
Speaker 8: to kind of open up the convention. She didn't even

2077
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 8: have a podium. She was just basically a stand upset

2078
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 8: walking around with him.

2079
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 10: She came out to be like hey girl.

2080
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,600
Speaker 8: Yeah exactly, and she was. She was opening things up

2081
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,639
Speaker 8: very formally. People seem to really like that, and then

2082
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 8: you know, a lot of a lot of the main

2083
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 8: speakers started started to kind of roll out. Now, me

2084
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:10,600
Speaker 8: and Sophie were able to somehow get special tickets to

2085
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 8: go on the actual like delegate floor area, something we

2086
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 8: never were able to do during the R and C.

2087
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:19,280
Speaker 8: Dare I say big mistake, which was this was a

2088
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:20,679
Speaker 8: massive error on our part.

2089
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 2: This is why I just sat at the bar.

2090
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 8: Because it is a nightmare down there, so much pushing, shoving,

2091
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 8: no place to go.

2092
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:29,960
Speaker 2: You really get to taste democracy.

2093
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 8: As soon as we stepped on the floor, AOC walked

2094
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 8: on stage, everything went crazy.

2095
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:37,599
Speaker 3: It was it was.

2096
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 1: A nightmare called for ceasfire Gaza, which apparently I did

2097
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 1: not see any of the speeches before her, but apparently

2098
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 1: that was the first time that was done at night,

2099
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 1: and the.

2100
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:49,720
Speaker 10: Crowd loved it.

2101
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 8: She gave a great speech, I mean speech talking about

2102
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 8: working people. I think it's also important because of just

2103
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 8: how well she was received and like the kind of

2104
01:43:57,439 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 8: the spot that she had at the convention. Like she is,

2105
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 8: she used to be kind of be like an outsider

2106
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 8: to like the Democrat Party. Right at this point she

2107
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:08,320
Speaker 8: is like fully within the fold of like the Democrat

2108
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 8: machine and for better or worse, I mean to probably

2109
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 8: a mix of both.

2110
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 2: In some regards, there's a lot of talk that in

2111
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:15,799
Speaker 2: eight or twelve years she's going to be running and.

2112
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, she she is preparing for a long political career. Yeah,

2113
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 8: and people seem to like her and the person that

2114
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:28,080
Speaker 8: spoke immediately after AOC while while we while me and

2115
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 8: Sophie were still being shuffled around the show floor.

2116
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 10: I don't think shuffled is the way to even describe it.

2117
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:36,120
Speaker 2: You guys have seen the Jordan Peele movie. Sorry, what's

2118
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 2: what's the one with the sky monster? Nope, nope. Yeah,

2119
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 2: it's like being it's caught. It's like you're being sharned

2120
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:44,719
Speaker 2: with a bunch of other people.

2121
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:48,280
Speaker 1: My hair, my hair was caught in like a CNN camera,

2122
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:51,160
Speaker 1: like you could not breathe.

2123
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 10: It was like a mosh bit, but not fought.

2124
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 8: No, we were we were caught inside the jean jacket.

2125
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,120
Speaker 8: But it was it was we were being slashed around.

2126
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:01,719
Speaker 1: There's three I and we were in the center Aisle

2127
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:06,679
Speaker 1: Jesus christatically like parallel to where the person who would

2128
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 1: be speaking comes up to talk.

2129
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 8: And then Hillary Clinton took the stage and unfortunately the

2130
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 8: crowd loved it.

2131
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 10: They went fairal for Hillary Clinton.

2132
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, baffling, just baffling.

2133
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:18,599
Speaker 5: It was.

2134
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:21,639
Speaker 1: I looked back at Garrison and I and we both

2135
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:23,200
Speaker 1: with each other like death.

2136
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 2: Wanted to die. It's it's like when you're in a

2137
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 2: foreign country and they eat some sort of like lutfisk

2138
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 2: or something some sort of like weird rotten fish dish

2139
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:34,160
Speaker 2: that they just love over there.

2140
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 8: Or okay, or when they eat like American garbage fast

2141
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 8: food and also love it.

2142
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:40,080
Speaker 3: You're like, oh no, it's a terrifying I don't know.

2143
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,559
Speaker 1: What I was expecting, but I just didn't think the

2144
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:46,040
Speaker 1: DNC still loved Hillary the way they do.

2145
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:49,639
Speaker 10: But they went fairal she.

2146
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:53,440
Speaker 2: Was like very popular. I mean, she won the primaries.

2147
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 2: She's got a base of support. She just is. The

2148
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:58,679
Speaker 2: people who hate her hate her a lot. Excuse.

2149
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 8: She gave a very big mad speech.

2150
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 10: She loss of arm waving.

2151
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 2: People disagree about that, Garrison. People got angry at me

2152
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 2: for saying she seems angry. She she was a little

2153
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 2: big mad. I would I wouldn't say.

2154
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:15,080
Speaker 1: I would say she gave a standard Hillary Clinton.

2155
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:16,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was a pretty standard.

2156
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:18,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's just not very likable and charismatic.

2157
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:20,760
Speaker 2: So but she did. I do.

2158
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:24,320
Speaker 1: I do have a great picture of wins Garrison and

2159
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 1: I survived the floor. We were up in a press

2160
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:31,680
Speaker 1: area and of Hillary Clinton with both her hands in

2161
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 1: the air and the crowd eating it up.

2162
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 8: A choice, Yeah, navigating this this whole place with an area.

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Speaker 8: We're never gonna go in the on the delegate floor again.

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Speaker 8: Just a nightmare, thank you, being shuffled around corridors. It's

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Speaker 8: it's it's terrible. There was a few other you know,

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Speaker 8: a few other speakers usher I think did didn't okay speech.

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Speaker 8: You know, uh, lot of stuff about abortion, a lot

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Speaker 8: of videos on the big jumbo tron about about cop

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Speaker 8: prosecutor Kamala taken down the and Donald Trump. As expected,

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Speaker 8: they had all.

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Speaker 1: Do we want to play a clip of that? By

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Speaker 1: the way, do you have the Law and Order clip?

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Speaker 1: Sophie Heerson? Do I have the Law Order clip? Of course,

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Speaker 1: I have the Law.

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01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 8: And Order and we can play twenty seconds of the

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Speaker 8: Law and Order clip.

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Speaker 1: Yes. There was several different videos played throughout the night,

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Speaker 1: but I would say the most memorable one was the

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01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 1: Law and Order themed clip featuring big Bad kam Law

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01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 1: as the prosecutor and criminal Donald Trump as the villain

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01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 1: of the story the New York sex pest Criminal of

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Speaker 1: the Week.

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Speaker 11: The criminal justice system the people are represented by two

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01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 11: separate yet equally important groups, the police who investigate crime

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01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:47,680
Speaker 11: and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. This is

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01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:53,040
Speaker 11: the story of Donald Trump his entire life. Trumps believed

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01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 11: he's above the law, that no one would ever dare

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01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 11: hold them accountable. For the first time in history, we

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Speaker 11: have a convict felon running for president, and to take

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01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:06,200
Speaker 11: on this case, we need a president who has spent

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Speaker 11: her life prosecuting perpetrators.

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Speaker 2: Like God, God damn it.

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Speaker 10: It was the choice and it was night one.

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Speaker 2: We'll see how that plays.

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Speaker 8: So Jill Biden introduced well, first introduced her daughter, and

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Speaker 8: then they introduced Joe Biden. I think one interesting thing

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Speaker 8: is that throughout the night, I started seeing more green

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Speaker 8: Jill signs, which I thought was really confusing, like who's

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01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:31,560
Speaker 8: stuck in Jill Stein green party.

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Speaker 3: Signs into this?

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Speaker 8: And then I realized, no, the signs for Jill Biden,

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01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 8: which I don't know if they chose green signs to

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01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:39,639
Speaker 8: be intentionally like trying to like reclaim green for Jill

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Speaker 8: Biden instead of Jill Stein.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I found it to be odd.

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Speaker 8: She led the crowd and like, we love Joe Chance

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01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:49,120
Speaker 8: And immediately as soon as everyone started changing, like we

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Speaker 8: love Joe, thank you Joe. It's starting to feel like

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Speaker 8: we're kind of just sending him out to pasture and

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01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:57,040
Speaker 8: that was the main vibe of the Joe Biden was very.

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Speaker 2: Emotional putting on his favorite Spotify.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was very emotional, came out crying after his

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Speaker 1: daughter introduced him. And I would say there was like

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01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:08,960
Speaker 1: a good ten minute standing ovation for him.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe five, but it was. It was long.

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Speaker 10: It was I was being generous. It's his last big thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't they It's a really nice farm. You know,

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01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:20,360
Speaker 2: there's a great view of the mountains from it. Beautiful

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Speaker 2: helpstrassed run through in the summer all day long, which

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Speaker 2: we just run it.

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Speaker 1: We had a direct view of the teleprompter. Did a

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Speaker 1: great job reading that teleprompter. He won off script, you know,

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01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:29,679
Speaker 1: a handful of times.

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Speaker 8: But his actual performance was pretty good, especially for coming

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01:49:34,160 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 8: out around like eleven pm. He did.

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Speaker 2: He did pretty good.

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Speaker 10: It was a strong It was a strong performance for Joe.

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Speaker 8: One of the first things he mentioned was Charlottesville, as

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Speaker 8: he talked about before in his campaign for being with

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01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:46,240
Speaker 8: the Reason that he ran in twenty twenty, you know,

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01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:48,799
Speaker 8: talking about how you know, lots of rhetoric was identical

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01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 8: from Nazis and anti Semitic vile from nineteen thirties. He

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01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 8: had a line describing kind of the alt right movements

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01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 8: as old ghosts in new garments. I thought that was

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Speaker 8: well written by whatever speed at the White House was

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01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 8: putting that one together. Yeah, you know, talking about how

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01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 8: Trump's being aligned with these like with this new version

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01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:09,439
Speaker 8: of the KKK. They just they just forgot to wear

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Speaker 8: their hoods, talking about you know, very fine people on

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Speaker 8: both sides. Hate has no safe harbor in America, all

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Speaker 8: that kind of stuff. And you know, this was this

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01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 8: rhetoric was a lot more common back in like, you know,

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01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:22,120
Speaker 8: twenty nineteen, you know, right after Charlotte's film, during like

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Speaker 8: the height of like the alt right movement. We don't

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Speaker 8: hear this as much anymore, but I think it is

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Speaker 8: important to remember that this was not that long ago.

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01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 8: He then kind of talked about mostly the past. He

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01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:34,800
Speaker 8: wasn't talking about kind of the future. He was talking

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Speaker 8: about what the Biden administration has been able to do

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Speaker 8: the past four years and trying to tie in, you know,

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Speaker 8: Kamula to all of the good things that have happened,

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01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 8: you know, talking about four years of progress, you know,

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Speaker 8: making waves with a COVID, with the economy, lots of

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Speaker 8: new jobs, inflation is down, at least now he gave

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Speaker 8: his greatest shrinking the racial gaps. You know, health insurance

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Speaker 8: stocks are good. We finally beat big Pharma, I'm sure whatever.

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01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:00,839
Speaker 8: A lot of stuff about tying him to the unions,

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Speaker 8: you know, saying that people have called him the most

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Speaker 8: the most pro union president in history, and he's like,

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Speaker 8: I'm proud to I'm proud to take on that Moniker.

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Speaker 10: Or something like that, chanting Union Joe.

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01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:13,800
Speaker 8: Union Joe said he was the first president to walk

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Speaker 8: the picket line, so you know, they were definitely focusing

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Speaker 8: a lot of that union messaging. It is interesting considering

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Speaker 8: that one union leader spoke at the RNC yeah back

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Speaker 8: when the nomination for the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Speech is yes, yes.

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Speaker 8: Yes, very brief talk about carbon emissions and pollution, but similarly,

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Speaker 8: very little climate change stuff.

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Speaker 2: Almost yeah.

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Speaker 8: It's which is which has been common throughout this whole campaign.

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Speaker 8: This this this, this whole election has been very little

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Speaker 8: mention of climate change stuff.

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Speaker 2: You really get a feeling of what a gift it

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01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 2: has been for the Democratic Party that the Republicans have

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01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:45,679
Speaker 2: given them all this fascism stuff to talk about, rather

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Speaker 2: than actually needing to make any kind of serious statements

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Speaker 2: about what they're going to do climate change.

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Speaker 8: Part of the other kind of achievements that he was

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Speaker 8: you know, Lotting was saying that they finally beat the

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Speaker 8: NRA passing this gun safety bill, and next they're to

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01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:02,880
Speaker 8: ban assault weapons and pass universal background safety bill.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it was one of the ones that didn't really

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Speaker 2: do any Yeah. Correct.

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Speaker 8: There was a brief section about the border, saying that

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Speaker 8: there's now fewer border crossings than when Trump left office,

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01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:15,479
Speaker 8: saying that, you know, Trump tried to kill our border

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Speaker 8: security bill, and he said, the main thing that makes

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Speaker 8: us different from the Republicans is that we won't demonize immigrants.

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Speaker 2: We are going to a They're going.

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Speaker 8: To still do really really bad like border violence and

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01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:29,879
Speaker 8: really really bad.

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01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:32,800
Speaker 2: Border security policies from asylum from being able to like

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01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:34,599
Speaker 2: flee bad situations.

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Speaker 8: But they're not going to be spending the whole convention

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01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:39,040
Speaker 8: every single day talking NonStop about how immigrants are coming

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01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 8: to rape your family, and like, yeah, that is true.

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Speaker 3: You don't talk about them the same way.

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Speaker 8: But some of your actual policies are not all that

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01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:48,800
Speaker 8: different from what most Republicans in office want. You know,

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Speaker 8: they're not calling for massive deportations at the same rate,

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01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,840
Speaker 8: but still that border security bill was very similar to

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01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:56,640
Speaker 8: ones that Trump was proposing, and the only reason that

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01:52:56,680 --> 01:52:58,920
Speaker 8: Trump killed it was so that Biden wouldn't be able

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Speaker 8: to take credit, which Bin didn't also say during the.

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Speaker 2: Speech order fear monger, I mean, it's just been a

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01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:05,519
Speaker 2: titanic victory for the right.

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Speaker 8: And I'll talk about abortion, talk about how if Harris's

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01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:12,519
Speaker 8: is president, she'll be able to sign in something that

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Speaker 8: puts into law that right to abortion, saying that quote,

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Speaker 8: Maga found out the power of women in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 8: saying that they're going to find out again in twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty four, which he's not wrong about, Dadley, that is

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01:53:23,439 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 8: that is repealing Roe v Wade did I did sign

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01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 8: election results in twenty two, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Abortion's mandatory finally.

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Speaker 8: And yeah, he's you know, talking about quote we got

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Speaker 8: to put a prosecutor in the Oval office instead of

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Speaker 8: a convicted Felon said, saying that Harris is going to

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Speaker 8: be forty seven. And whenever he made a comment like that,

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Speaker 8: talking about how Harris is going to be the next president,

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01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:47,639
Speaker 8: the whole crowd sort of breaking you own chance, saying

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Speaker 8: thank you, Joe, thank you Joe. It's just really funny

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Speaker 8: because they are just thanking him for stepping down for

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Speaker 8: the race.

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Speaker 2: Everybody wanted a chance to remember what two thousand and

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01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 2: eight was like, and they got it and they could

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Speaker 2: not be more.

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Speaker 1: Are great and just just interesting to note that it

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Speaker 1: took it did take him quite a while to really

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01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:08,760
Speaker 1: start talking about Kamala, but whenever the large chance of

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Speaker 1: thank you Joe would start, he'd be like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: thank you Kamala.

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Speaker 8: One of the last things that Joe talked about was

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Speaker 8: briefly mentioning Ukraine and then talking about Gaza, and this

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01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 8: is kind of one of the last things in his

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Speaker 8: speech before he started like his closing remarks. You know,

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01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:26,840
Speaker 8: he talked about, you know, the need to get to

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01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:29,680
Speaker 8: get the hostages to safety and to quote unquote end

2341
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:32,480
Speaker 8: of the war in Gaza, saying that they're working around

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01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 8: the clock to surge humanitarian aid into Gaza and to

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01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 8: get a lasting ceasefire. He then gave a small off

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01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:42,320
Speaker 8: the cuff mention to the DNC protests, and this part

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01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 8: wasn't on the teleprompter. He said, quote, those protesters out

2346
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:48,280
Speaker 8: in the street have a point. A lot of innocent

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01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:52,000
Speaker 8: people are being killed on both sides. And he made

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01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:55,600
Speaker 8: similar comments to this last March, saying that protesters who

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01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 8: were disrupting a rally of his quote unquote have a point.

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01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:00,880
Speaker 8: So he has used this line before, but this was

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01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:04,520
Speaker 8: kind of the only acknowledgment of the protests that I

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01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 8: saw today from any of the DNC speeches.

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Speaker 3: It is interesting that this was not scripted. This was

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01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:10,680
Speaker 3: just something that.

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01:55:10,760 --> 01:55:13,760
Speaker 1: He said because, as mentioned before, we had a view

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Speaker 1: of the telerompter.

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Speaker 8: And at the same time that this happened, someone on

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Speaker 8: the far side of the crowd unfurled a banner, and

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Speaker 8: I think Robert has some more infro on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a couple of delegates who managed to

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Speaker 2: sneak in a banner. Do you know if they were delegates, Well,

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01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:31,200
Speaker 2: at least one of them was, okay, a banner that

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01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:35,400
Speaker 2: said stop arming Israel. They unfurled it and got a

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01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:37,840
Speaker 2: very strong and negative reaction from the people around them,

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01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:41,720
Speaker 2: some of whom were hitting them or at least shoving them.

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Speaker 2: I think it kind of you could look at the

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01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:46,360
Speaker 2: video and use either term. They were definitely like moving,

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01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 2: like pushing, They were definitely aggressively making contact with them.

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Speaker 3: With these like big wooden signs that people have not.

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01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:56,360
Speaker 2: These thank you Joe signs, and then set up a

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01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 2: chant of thank you Joe to kind of like drown

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01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:03,040
Speaker 2: them out out as the people filming in the venue

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01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:06,240
Speaker 2: like cut the lights, basically down the lights in that

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01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 2: area so that it would it would be less visible.

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01:56:08,240 --> 01:56:11,200
Speaker 2: Eventually they got the banner away from them, but it

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Speaker 2: was one of those like it shows you kind of

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01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:16,160
Speaker 2: the hollowness of there's enough of a need that even

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Speaker 2: Biden had to make a positive reference to the protesters.

2379
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:21,920
Speaker 2: They see it as enough of a potential threat to

2380
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 2: you know, being able to get the votes they need

2381
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:29,040
Speaker 2: that they they have to signpost to it. But a banner,

2382
01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 2: and this is not a radical banner. Stop arming Israel

2383
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:33,760
Speaker 2: is not a radical stance down.

2384
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:36,080
Speaker 3: It's not calling an end to the state of events.

2385
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:40,280
Speaker 2: It wasn't an Intifada revolution banner, right right. It was

2386
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:45,520
Speaker 2: a literally just stop sending guns and stopped doing this

2387
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 2: to Israel that's being used to bomb them and people.

2388
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:51,720
Speaker 2: People were angry enough that I don't want to overstate

2389
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:53,240
Speaker 2: the level of physical violence, but I don't want to

2390
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:56,040
Speaker 2: understate it. They were physically aggressive over this, like to

2391
01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:59,360
Speaker 2: and and had this small group of people surrounded and

2392
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:03,320
Speaker 2: seeing that that is a reminder that I am not

2393
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:05,959
Speaker 2: in line with the people on the left who repeatedly

2394
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 2: call the DIMS fascist, because fascism means something, it's a

2395
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:12,320
Speaker 2: real political Democrats have plenty of authoritarians, and that's that's

2396
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:15,520
Speaker 2: what that is. Is that is authoritarian thinking, and it

2397
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:19,520
Speaker 2: can and will, if not checked, lead to a lot

2398
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:22,040
Speaker 2: uglier shift than what we saw last night. So I

2399
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:25,800
Speaker 2: did not like seeing that. It is a reminder that

2400
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:29,280
Speaker 2: even as nice as the vibe shift has been, and

2401
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not going to try to take enjoyment from

2402
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 2: that away from people, we are still in a real

2403
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:40,400
Speaker 2: pickle as a country. Ari are acceptance of authoritarian aims

2404
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:41,840
Speaker 2: and tactics.

2405
01:57:41,480 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 3: And especially you know, sending twenty billion dollars in BOSS.

2406
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:46,760
Speaker 2: And sending twenty billion dollars in BOP. Just send the tape,

2407
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:50,360
Speaker 2: take all the Israel weapons and send them to the Ukrainians.

2408
01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:52,280
Speaker 2: That's that's my stance.

2409
01:57:52,360 --> 01:57:53,960
Speaker 3: I'm sure Rudy Giuliani will love that.

2410
01:57:54,080 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, so yeah, I mean you said that the crowd

2411
01:57:57,160 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 8: had a big reaction to some of the Palestine stuff,

2412
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:01,800
Speaker 8: and at least from inside the convention certainly calls for

2413
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:03,560
Speaker 8: ceasefire did that.

2414
01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:04,120
Speaker 2: That was big.

2415
01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:07,600
Speaker 8: When Biden made his little comment acknowledging the protests, the

2416
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:11,160
Speaker 8: whole room kind of went silent, like everyone was kind

2417
01:58:11,200 --> 01:58:14,600
Speaker 8: of surprised. Like it was, it was like a chill

2418
01:58:14,680 --> 01:58:16,680
Speaker 8: went over the air, like no one knew how to

2419
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:19,720
Speaker 8: take it. There. There wasn't like massive cheers, there wasn't

2420
01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:22,800
Speaker 8: booze either, but like it was because like arguably Biden

2421
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:25,680
Speaker 8: gave a more positive comment referring to the protests than

2422
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 8: most of like the regular like delegates and attendees. Most

2423
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:30,200
Speaker 8: of the attendees we were standing around in the waiting

2424
01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:33,360
Speaker 8: line were much more like negative and dismissive. And I

2425
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:35,120
Speaker 8: think I think Biden's comment kind of like took the

2426
01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:38,800
Speaker 8: wind out of the air, at least inside the convention arena.

2427
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,080
Speaker 8: But that was basically the end of it. He gave,

2428
01:58:41,120 --> 01:58:45,600
Speaker 8: you know, closing closing remarks. Kamala went onto stage, they hugged,

2429
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 8: they did their little thing, and then me and Sophie

2430
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 8: went out of the convention as fast as we could

2431
01:58:52,040 --> 01:58:54,960
Speaker 8: and we found this little corridor exit because we didn't

2432
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:56,400
Speaker 8: want to mess with like the like with like the

2433
01:58:56,520 --> 01:58:58,880
Speaker 8: escalators or the elevators, because that's always a nightmare. So

2434
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:01,520
Speaker 8: we found this nice little state case and I turned

2435
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:03,600
Speaker 8: to the left walking down the stairs, and I saw

2436
01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:07,880
Speaker 8: two very large men in writing gear with two assault weapons,

2437
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:10,200
Speaker 8: and I said, I guess we're not going that way.

2438
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:13,000
Speaker 8: Then I turned around and walk the other direction.

2439
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:16,080
Speaker 10: Honestly, funniest moment of the day.

2440
01:59:17,560 --> 01:59:21,520
Speaker 8: Were like ten feet away from these guys away some

2441
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:23,840
Speaker 8: of the giants, some of the most heavily armed men

2442
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 8: I've ever seen. I think we stumbled across because I

2443
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:29,080
Speaker 8: looked at that signs later, I think with someone across

2444
01:59:29,280 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 8: the security gate for the presidential motor case. So that's

2445
01:59:33,720 --> 01:59:35,840
Speaker 8: that's where we almost accidentally went.

2446
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, those are guys who have spent every year

2447
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:42,120
Speaker 2: of the last twenty years of their lives just planning

2448
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:44,840
Speaker 2: to kill as many people as they care. The second

2449
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:47,160
Speaker 2: someone takes them off the leak, they would shoot a

2450
01:59:47,160 --> 01:59:49,280
Speaker 2: twink on site. They not care, They don't give you,

2451
01:59:49,400 --> 01:59:51,360
Speaker 2: they don't give a fuck who they shoot the instant

2452
01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:52,160
Speaker 2: they have a chance.

2453
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:54,040
Speaker 8: So me and so Be left as soon as we

2454
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:56,400
Speaker 8: could and went back to the hotel and immediately went

2455
01:59:56,440 --> 01:59:56,800
Speaker 8: to sleep.

2456
01:59:57,440 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 3: And that was the first night at the DNC.

2457
02:00:00,240 --> 02:00:03,640
Speaker 2: Drinks with me Garison, I did not. We shared a

2458
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:04,400
Speaker 2: special moment.

2459
02:00:04,440 --> 02:00:06,440
Speaker 3: I'm trying to create a compelling narrative of the podcast.

2460
02:00:06,680 --> 02:00:08,440
Speaker 2: Well, I thought it was compelling narrative that we had

2461
02:00:08,440 --> 02:00:09,240
Speaker 2: a nice drenth It.

2462
02:00:09,320 --> 02:00:11,840
Speaker 10: Was I said hi to you and then I went

2463
02:00:12,360 --> 02:00:13,000
Speaker 10: okay bye.

2464
02:00:13,160 --> 02:00:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't interested in you because you left.

2465
02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:15,280
Speaker 13: Yeah.

2466
02:00:15,400 --> 02:00:18,320
Speaker 10: Sorry, I abandoned you. I'm so sorry.

2467
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:20,200
Speaker 8: But that anyway, that was the first night at the

2468
02:00:20,240 --> 02:00:23,320
Speaker 8: dn Z. That was the first round of speeches. I

2469
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:25,360
Speaker 8: believe tonight we're gon't split up. Somebody's going to go

2470
02:00:25,720 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 8: and then go over there, and me and Robert are

2471
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:28,800
Speaker 8: going to be back in the streets.

2472
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2473
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:33,640
Speaker 1: I will report if anything of interest happens. It is

2474
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:38,600
Speaker 1: the I believe Bill Clinton Obama Night. Jesus Chris, it's

2475
02:00:38,920 --> 02:00:41,400
Speaker 1: once again. The year is twenty twenty four. Is the

2476
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:43,560
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton Obama Night.

2477
02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:45,560
Speaker 2: It would be pretty funny if Bill Clinton got played

2478
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:47,360
Speaker 2: on the stage by bad Leroy Brown.

2479
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:52,440
Speaker 3: All right, this is it happen? Think it happened year

2480
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:53,960
Speaker 3: recording from Chicago, Illinois.

2481
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:57,240
Speaker 2: We'll see I did wuldn't walk all right, Jesus.

2482
02:00:56,840 --> 02:00:57,320
Speaker 8: Fuck.

2483
02:01:18,680 --> 02:01:23,040
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and Tim Walls Little John didn't mention anything

2484
02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:25,120
Speaker 1: about sweat dripping off his balls.

2485
02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:28,440
Speaker 2: He sure did not. And that's the greatest act of

2486
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:31,920
Speaker 2: you know, amongst all of the genocide denial, it takes

2487
02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:34,960
Speaker 2: a lot of cowardice to really stand up in this crowd.

2488
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:38,240
Speaker 2: But Little John refusing to talk about sweat dripping down

2489
02:01:38,280 --> 02:01:41,400
Speaker 2: his balls in the middle of the DNC was a

2490
02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:42,440
Speaker 2: horrible mistake here.

2491
02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:44,480
Speaker 10: I'm sorry. I didn't know he was going to start

2492
02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:44,920
Speaker 10: that way.

2493
02:01:45,160 --> 02:01:47,040
Speaker 2: I knew I was going to start that way. I

2494
02:01:47,040 --> 02:01:50,640
Speaker 2: think it was o pain. Garrison, do you know the

2495
02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:51,840
Speaker 2: song we're talking about?

2496
02:01:53,480 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 3: Welcome to what happened here?

2497
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:59,240
Speaker 8: I'm Garrison Davis Lloyd with my bosses, Sophie Lichtman and

2498
02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:00,000
Speaker 8: Robert Evans.

2499
02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:05,280
Speaker 2: Very old, very old. Remember when Lil John was slightly

2500
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:08,640
Speaker 2: not He was never really that transgressive. Little John's always

2501
02:02:08,680 --> 02:02:10,040
Speaker 2: been pretty family friendly.

2502
02:02:10,120 --> 02:02:13,760
Speaker 1: I guess somebody somebody replied to the video I posted

2503
02:02:13,880 --> 02:02:17,600
Speaker 1: of Little John saying maybe the best lil And you know.

2504
02:02:18,240 --> 02:02:21,360
Speaker 2: Ah, there's I have a soft spot in my heart

2505
02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:24,080
Speaker 2: for Lil Wayne, not that he was good, but because

2506
02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:28,720
Speaker 2: he's really funny, Like missus Officer, that's that's a fun song.

2507
02:02:28,920 --> 02:02:31,680
Speaker 2: That's a fun story about Way pretending he had sex

2508
02:02:31,720 --> 02:02:32,600
Speaker 2: with a police officer.

2509
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:36,920
Speaker 8: The Democratic National Convention continues inside Chicago, Illinois.

2510
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:40,040
Speaker 2: Lil Wayne not yet present, but maybe to night. People

2511
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:41,440
Speaker 2: say Swift might show up soon.

2512
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:45,160
Speaker 1: Well, she she had a couple shows and she could

2513
02:02:45,160 --> 02:02:48,000
Speaker 1: potentially get here by tomorrow.

2514
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:50,600
Speaker 2: Okay, that's great, that's great. I was actually talk about

2515
02:02:50,680 --> 02:02:54,160
Speaker 2: Jonathan Swift. Oh okay, author of a modest proposal.

2516
02:02:54,200 --> 02:02:57,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, but in my heart, I really don't think

2517
02:02:57,200 --> 02:02:57,720
Speaker 1: she's coming.

2518
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:00,320
Speaker 2: No, why would she would? What does she gained from that?

2519
02:03:01,160 --> 02:03:02,200
Speaker 10: Yeah?

2520
02:03:02,360 --> 02:03:07,000
Speaker 8: So Tuesday we spent the day split up, mostly with

2521
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:10,080
Speaker 8: me and Robert going to a protest and Sophie entering

2522
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:16,280
Speaker 8: the United Center to watch the lib Utopia unveil, complete

2523
02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:19,320
Speaker 8: with an appearance. So happy Lil John, I believe is

2524
02:03:19,320 --> 02:03:20,520
Speaker 8: what he's referred to as.

2525
02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:21,920
Speaker 10: That is that is correct?

2526
02:03:22,200 --> 02:03:24,600
Speaker 2: Thank you? Yes, just checking my source as someone currently

2527
02:03:24,640 --> 02:03:27,960
Speaker 2: wearing a mesh shirt. He is in your line of descendants,

2528
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:30,040
Speaker 2: like this is one of your one of your Saint

2529
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:32,520
Speaker 2: At ancestors. I don't know how I feel about that.

2530
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,560
Speaker 8: And we will we will get to the Little John

2531
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:39,400
Speaker 8: antics uh, specifically with the State of Georgia, which made

2532
02:03:39,600 --> 02:03:41,760
Speaker 8: quite a show later on in the episode we will

2533
02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:44,480
Speaker 8: be talking about that, but first we will be talking

2534
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:47,400
Speaker 8: about what me and Robert spent a good I don't

2535
02:03:47,400 --> 02:03:49,600
Speaker 8: know four hours yesterday doing.

2536
02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:51,560
Speaker 2: I was out for closer to eight because I went

2537
02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:53,480
Speaker 2: out earlier to look at some stuff I went to.

2538
02:03:53,600 --> 02:03:57,600
Speaker 2: There was a pro Israel Free the Hostages event that

2539
02:03:57,640 --> 02:04:00,640
Speaker 2: I went to and looked around. Briefly, not a whole

2540
02:04:00,640 --> 02:04:03,320
Speaker 2: lot to say about it other than some art that

2541
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:06,080
Speaker 2: I don't fully know how to think about yet. They

2542
02:04:06,120 --> 02:04:09,400
Speaker 2: had a massive one of the young women that was

2543
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:12,560
Speaker 2: abducted by Hamas that very famously had like blood on

2544
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:15,320
Speaker 2: her gray sweatpants. They had just like a massive, two

2545
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:20,000
Speaker 2: story tall pair of gray sweatpants covered in blood. But

2546
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:22,520
Speaker 2: it wasn't really clear until you got up close what

2547
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:24,400
Speaker 2: it was trying to be, So it was just kind

2548
02:04:24,440 --> 02:04:27,680
Speaker 2: of like it was odd, odd visuals for the event,

2549
02:04:27,720 --> 02:04:30,160
Speaker 2: I'll say that, but mostly pretty tame. There was maybe

2550
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:32,880
Speaker 2: thirty or forty people there, and that was about two

2551
02:04:33,120 --> 02:04:35,960
Speaker 2: three blocks down from the plan side of the protest

2552
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:38,400
Speaker 2: that you and I went to, which was the Acenture Tower,

2553
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:43,200
Speaker 2: which is apparently it's like a mall on the inside

2554
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:47,480
Speaker 2: and a metro station and also several floors mini floors

2555
02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:51,000
Speaker 2: of office space. So I'm guessing that the Israeli Consolate

2556
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:53,080
Speaker 2: is a couple of small offices in this big building.

2557
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:55,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, so there was a purchase plan for later this evening.

2558
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:58,480
Speaker 8: As me and Sophie were going to get lunch, I saw.

2559
02:04:58,440 --> 02:05:01,720
Speaker 2: Like Sophie and I.

2560
02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:03,520
Speaker 1: I saw they both looked at me, deciding who I

2561
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:05,040
Speaker 1: was going to give a dirty look to.

2562
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:11,440
Speaker 2: I know you were the United Kingdom and me correcting

2563
02:05:11,480 --> 02:05:14,760
Speaker 2: Garrison's grammar, was the German army marching into Belgium.

2564
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:18,160
Speaker 8: I saw a whole bunch of police vans driving through

2565
02:05:18,200 --> 02:05:22,240
Speaker 8: downtown Chicago on the way to the Israeli Consulate. And

2566
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:25,320
Speaker 8: we showed up a few hours later for the for

2567
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:28,320
Speaker 8: the protest planned that evening. Like usual, we tried to

2568
02:05:28,440 --> 02:05:31,560
Speaker 8: arrive early and there was a few kind of characters

2569
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:34,760
Speaker 8: bumping around the area that a lot of media was

2570
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:35,840
Speaker 8: just fascinated by.

2571
02:05:36,040 --> 02:05:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, the start of it was there was the same

2572
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:41,960
Speaker 2: There was had been a Nazi lady out at the

2573
02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:44,480
Speaker 2: protest the day before as well. She has like bright

2574
02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:48,720
Speaker 2: purplish hair carried and on the first day just a

2575
02:05:48,760 --> 02:05:52,040
Speaker 2: cardboard sign covered in racial slurs. Loved shouting the end word.

2576
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:55,560
Speaker 2: Today she had a friend. They unveiled a sign. People

2577
02:05:55,600 --> 02:05:56,400
Speaker 2: confronted them.

2578
02:05:56,920 --> 02:05:58,840
Speaker 8: It was like it was like a white genocide, white

2579
02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:02,280
Speaker 8: like white placement, great replacement type sign with a URL

2580
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:03,800
Speaker 8: to a telegram channel, I believe.

2581
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, a channel. Yeah, I think she had a friend today,

2582
02:06:08,040 --> 02:06:08,360
Speaker 2: someone else.

2583
02:06:09,120 --> 02:06:10,200
Speaker 10: It is shocking news.

2584
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they usually have at least one, right, maybe,

2585
02:06:13,400 --> 02:06:16,440
Speaker 2: and then uh, I mean kind of the at one point,

2586
02:06:16,440 --> 02:06:18,280
Speaker 2: sort of while we were all waiting around, because it

2587
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:21,080
Speaker 2: was initially just a shitload of press, uh, some lookie

2588
02:06:21,120 --> 02:06:23,839
Speaker 2: loose from the local area, and a bunch of cops,

2589
02:06:24,040 --> 02:06:25,840
Speaker 2: a bunch of a bunch of private security, a lot

2590
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:28,160
Speaker 2: of private security, mostly for the media. There's a fun

2591
02:06:28,160 --> 02:06:30,840
Speaker 2: game of spot the concealed handgun, because none of these

2592
02:06:30,840 --> 02:06:33,880
Speaker 2: guys are very good at concealing their fucking handguns. But

2593
02:06:33,880 --> 02:06:36,280
Speaker 2: at one point I'm standing and talking to another media

2594
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:39,920
Speaker 2: and I see this like massive circle of cameras fill

2595
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:42,360
Speaker 2: up around, and so I'm wondering, Okay, maybe something's happened.

2596
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:44,960
Speaker 2: I get over there, and I didn't even think to

2597
02:06:45,080 --> 02:06:49,160
Speaker 2: like stop myself from you know, using my outside voice.

2598
02:06:49,200 --> 02:06:51,440
Speaker 2: I just shouted as soon as I got close, oh fuck,

2599
02:06:51,480 --> 02:06:56,720
Speaker 2: it's the MyPillow guy, which is the least news anything

2600
02:06:56,760 --> 02:06:57,640
Speaker 2: could possibly be.

2601
02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:00,879
Speaker 3: But for some reason there was like maybe like cameras.

2602
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:04,040
Speaker 8: It's just like huddled around this guy trying to get

2603
02:07:04,080 --> 02:07:05,880
Speaker 8: whatever picture or whatever.

2604
02:07:06,160 --> 02:07:09,280
Speaker 2: Let him talk. Yeah, a couple of protesters kept engaging

2605
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:11,760
Speaker 2: him about Gaza, which I just don't think that there's

2606
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:14,320
Speaker 2: anything to be gained from engaging the MyPillow guy. With

2607
02:07:14,360 --> 02:07:17,160
Speaker 2: the exception of Garrison, the way you chose to engage

2608
02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:18,320
Speaker 2: the MyPillow guy.

2609
02:07:18,240 --> 02:07:20,480
Speaker 8: I think there's really only one way to handle this,

2610
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:23,240
Speaker 8: and well there's maybe two ways. You can just completely

2611
02:07:23,240 --> 02:07:25,720
Speaker 8: ignore him, which is probably probably probably the best. Ask

2612
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:28,320
Speaker 8: what I did, because there's there's no reason to engage

2613
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:30,400
Speaker 8: with this, there's no reason to give him what he wants.

2614
02:07:30,640 --> 02:07:32,840
Speaker 8: The other option is just to completely baffle him, just

2615
02:07:32,920 --> 02:07:36,720
Speaker 8: be really confusing. So I went up and I I

2616
02:07:37,240 --> 02:07:38,440
Speaker 8: didn't even ask a question.

2617
02:07:38,520 --> 02:07:41,280
Speaker 2: I just I just said you said Mike first, which

2618
02:07:41,320 --> 02:07:42,879
Speaker 2: I left so funny.

2619
02:07:43,120 --> 02:07:44,920
Speaker 1: I just let the listeners to know that after a

2620
02:07:44,920 --> 02:07:48,080
Speaker 1: fourteen hour day yesterday, I get I get back to

2621
02:07:48,120 --> 02:07:52,720
Speaker 1: the hotel. Garrison and Robert have had several drinks in

2622
02:07:52,800 --> 02:07:53,560
Speaker 1: Garrison is like.

2623
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:54,440
Speaker 10: Did you see my video?

2624
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:55,600
Speaker 2: Did you see my video?

2625
02:07:56,240 --> 02:07:58,720
Speaker 3: And what was that video?

2626
02:07:58,240 --> 02:07:59,960
Speaker 2: We'll play the audio here.

2627
02:08:01,240 --> 02:08:09,440
Speaker 8: Skimmity Biden, skimmity Biden, skibbity Biden, givity skimmity Biden. So no,

2628
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:13,720
Speaker 8: I was able to get Mike. You know, we're pretty close.

2629
02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:18,320
Speaker 8: How you guys talk now, it's around to say skimmity Biden,

2630
02:08:18,360 --> 02:08:20,320
Speaker 8: because that's the only way to handle these guys is

2631
02:08:20,440 --> 02:08:23,400
Speaker 8: just like just like just really, you're not even like

2632
02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:25,960
Speaker 8: annoying them, You're just kind of baffling.

2633
02:08:28,280 --> 02:08:29,839
Speaker 2: Because all he wants.

2634
02:08:29,640 --> 02:08:32,240
Speaker 8: Is attention, to say, his little piece and trying to

2635
02:08:32,240 --> 02:08:35,360
Speaker 8: attract whatever media attention, and you just got to kind

2636
02:08:35,400 --> 02:08:36,120
Speaker 8: of fuck with them.

2637
02:08:36,200 --> 02:08:38,480
Speaker 2: And it's it's kind of a good sign that he

2638
02:08:38,640 --> 02:08:40,480
Speaker 2: did that, because this is not if you think about

2639
02:08:40,520 --> 02:08:43,160
Speaker 2: where he was in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, him

2640
02:08:43,200 --> 02:08:47,160
Speaker 2: showing up alone, no visible security escort to just kind

2641
02:08:47,200 --> 02:08:51,240
Speaker 2: of stand around before a protest and bullshit, is like,

2642
02:08:51,680 --> 02:08:54,920
Speaker 2: that's a man whose life has fallen apart, like he

2643
02:08:55,040 --> 02:08:56,000
Speaker 2: has nothing.

2644
02:08:55,720 --> 02:08:58,560
Speaker 8: Left, no everything he was saying I'm able to hear

2645
02:08:58,640 --> 02:09:01,400
Speaker 8: him say at four am on five Yeah, and that's

2646
02:09:01,480 --> 02:09:04,640
Speaker 8: that was pretty much the little pre show circus, and

2647
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:07,720
Speaker 8: you know, people started to trickle into the area slowly,

2648
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:11,200
Speaker 8: you know, people in kefeas you know, protesters, medics started

2649
02:09:11,240 --> 02:09:14,280
Speaker 8: to slowly, slowly enter enter this little like you know

2650
02:09:14,440 --> 02:09:17,840
Speaker 8: block radius, and then very very suddenly, from like the

2651
02:09:17,880 --> 02:09:20,280
Speaker 8: opposite side of where everyone else was stationed at, we

2652
02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:22,840
Speaker 8: saw a group of maybe like fifty march in all

2653
02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:25,400
Speaker 8: at the same time. Yeah, and this was kind of

2654
02:09:25,440 --> 02:09:28,400
Speaker 8: the start of the of the main of the main protests.

2655
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:29,880
Speaker 2: And I would say at that point there were maybe

2656
02:09:29,880 --> 02:09:33,360
Speaker 2: fifty protesters scattered around within the clumps of media, most

2657
02:09:33,400 --> 02:09:35,640
Speaker 2: of whom ran over and joined that group. So it

2658
02:09:35,720 --> 02:09:37,680
Speaker 2: was probably around one hundred or so, maybe maybe as

2659
02:09:37,680 --> 02:09:39,120
Speaker 2: many as one hundred and fifty.

2660
02:09:38,840 --> 02:09:41,680
Speaker 8: And it probably grew to about like two hundred over

2661
02:09:41,720 --> 02:09:44,000
Speaker 8: the course of the next few hours, although they started

2662
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:46,720
Speaker 8: to kind of bleed numbers as well. And I was

2663
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:50,000
Speaker 8: I was taking notes on my little personal recorder during

2664
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:52,040
Speaker 8: this time, and we put together a little kind of

2665
02:09:52,040 --> 02:09:55,560
Speaker 8: compilation to hear about what went down, and I'll probably

2666
02:09:55,640 --> 02:09:58,160
Speaker 8: cut in with some extra narration to kind of fill

2667
02:09:58,200 --> 02:10:00,760
Speaker 8: in the gaps, so to clarify. The audio you're about

2668
02:10:00,760 --> 02:10:02,560
Speaker 8: to hear was recorded over the course of like two

2669
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:05,200
Speaker 8: and a half hours. We've cut this down for efficiency

2670
02:10:05,240 --> 02:10:08,080
Speaker 8: and clarity. So some of the sections you're about to hear,

2671
02:10:08,280 --> 02:10:10,400
Speaker 8: you know, may have happened a minute or two apart,

2672
02:10:10,640 --> 02:10:12,960
Speaker 8: but they're just could be mushed together to kind of

2673
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:15,680
Speaker 8: help the action move along a little bit faster, not

2674
02:10:15,800 --> 02:10:17,880
Speaker 8: including you know, the sections of the protest where there's

2675
02:10:17,880 --> 02:10:20,760
Speaker 8: ten minutes of nothing happening. Here's a first time look

2676
02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:24,440
Speaker 8: at what happened during the protest at the Israeli Consulate.

2677
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:27,120
Speaker 8: Moving back, all right, it's just from the it's just

2678
02:10:27,160 --> 02:10:31,280
Speaker 8: past seven. The behind enemy lines Israeli Consulate protest basically

2679
02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:33,640
Speaker 8: just started. A whole bunch of people in some form

2680
02:10:33,680 --> 02:10:35,839
Speaker 8: of block showed up in front of the building, started

2681
02:10:36,040 --> 02:10:37,160
Speaker 8: marching up the street.

2682
02:10:37,240 --> 02:10:37,839
Speaker 2: Very quickly.

2683
02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:41,680
Speaker 8: A three or four five layered line of Chicago PD

2684
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:44,960
Speaker 8: came to block Clinton Street, so the march could not

2685
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:48,280
Speaker 8: advance there now retreating back towards the building, and they

2686
02:10:48,360 --> 02:10:50,400
Speaker 8: might try to march the other direction. I'm going to

2687
02:10:50,440 --> 02:10:53,680
Speaker 8: be on the move here, trying to take notes as

2688
02:10:53,720 --> 02:10:57,520
Speaker 8: this progresses. A central tower is kind of a tricky

2689
02:10:57,560 --> 02:11:00,680
Speaker 8: spot for this sort of protest, Although it does house

2690
02:11:00,760 --> 02:11:04,720
Speaker 8: the Israeli Consulate. From the outside, there's no obvious indicators

2691
02:11:04,720 --> 02:11:07,480
Speaker 8: that this building is linked to the Israeli government, and

2692
02:11:07,560 --> 02:11:10,360
Speaker 8: it's about two miles away from the DNC, so this

2693
02:11:10,440 --> 02:11:13,720
Speaker 8: can be very little impact on DNC attendees. All the

2694
02:11:13,720 --> 02:11:18,879
Speaker 8: way over here in the West Loop area of Chicago, Chicago,

2695
02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:23,040
Speaker 8: ped is set up across the other street as well,

2696
02:11:23,240 --> 02:11:29,720
Speaker 8: blocking both ways in essentially kettling this entire protest. There's

2697
02:11:29,760 --> 02:11:34,040
Speaker 8: a loud speaker, people are talking in front of the building.

2698
02:11:34,160 --> 02:11:37,200
Speaker 8: The purple haired wig lady from before has moved her

2699
02:11:37,320 --> 02:11:42,000
Speaker 8: Nazi banner closer to this core of protesters right in

2700
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:45,120
Speaker 8: front of the entrance of the building housing the Israeli consulate.

2701
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:47,720
Speaker 8: All right, some of the protesters just announced that they

2702
02:11:47,720 --> 02:11:49,600
Speaker 8: have a couple of speakers that are going to talk

2703
02:11:49,640 --> 02:11:52,120
Speaker 8: in front of the Israeli Constant building. As people are

2704
02:11:52,120 --> 02:11:54,840
Speaker 8: now sandwiched in between two streets right in front of

2705
02:11:54,880 --> 02:11:58,680
Speaker 8: the entrance. Speeches discussed the genocide in Gaza and the

2706
02:11:58,760 --> 02:12:01,400
Speaker 8: US arm steels sending weapons and bombs to Israel as

2707
02:12:01,480 --> 02:12:05,000
Speaker 8: part of continuing US imperialism. As the speech is carried on,

2708
02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:07,200
Speaker 8: more and more police began to arrive.

2709
02:12:08,360 --> 02:12:09,880
Speaker 2: All right, it is seven.

2710
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:15,040
Speaker 8: About nine or so white vans just showed up with

2711
02:12:15,080 --> 02:12:19,360
Speaker 8: tons of chicaga pad in ryagear, helmets, gas masks, now

2712
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:22,120
Speaker 8: thicker sleeves, not just the blue button ups that the

2713
02:12:22,120 --> 02:12:26,560
Speaker 8: regular cops wear. All right, we're gonna run into a

2714
02:12:26,600 --> 02:12:31,760
Speaker 8: line of police. People have banners, bring the war home,

2715
02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:35,080
Speaker 8: shut down the DNC for Gaza.

2716
02:12:36,240 --> 02:12:37,240
Speaker 2: Palestine flags.

2717
02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:43,440
Speaker 8: As they are marching towards a massive line of riot cops.

2718
02:12:44,320 --> 02:12:48,400
Speaker 8: There's too much media in the way, see and a

2719
02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:56,920
Speaker 8: clash has started. Pushing up against lines. Police pulling apart

2720
02:12:57,200 --> 02:13:01,560
Speaker 8: the signs and banners. Sounds familiar, I bet to anyone

2721
02:13:01,560 --> 02:13:06,080
Speaker 8: who was at twenty twenty. The first clash lasted about

2722
02:13:06,080 --> 02:13:08,480
Speaker 8: a minute, as protesters tried to march forwards into the

2723
02:13:08,520 --> 02:13:11,720
Speaker 8: street and police pushed them back. I was off to

2724
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:14,880
Speaker 8: the side, but the sheer amount of cameras and media

2725
02:13:14,920 --> 02:13:18,200
Speaker 8: in the middle of this scuffle prevented either side from

2726
02:13:18,240 --> 02:13:22,720
Speaker 8: gaining or losing much ground. All right, there was kind

2727
02:13:22,760 --> 02:13:24,720
Speaker 8: of a little bit of a back and forth. The

2728
02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:28,840
Speaker 8: protest line got pushed back slightly, but still in the

2729
02:13:28,840 --> 02:13:34,720
Speaker 8: middle of the Clinton Street, protesters telling the press to

2730
02:13:34,800 --> 02:13:38,240
Speaker 8: get out of the way, as many press are in between.

2731
02:13:39,640 --> 02:13:42,920
Speaker 8: As press moved slowly out of the way, police were

2732
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:51,720
Speaker 8: able to successfully push the protest back Chicago pedis from

2733
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:56,160
Speaker 8: redirecting some of their push towards the south. Now looks

2734
02:13:56,160 --> 02:13:57,840
Speaker 8: like some of the protesters were trying to move onto

2735
02:13:57,880 --> 02:14:01,480
Speaker 8: the sidewalk to get out of this mass, massive sandwich

2736
02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:05,160
Speaker 8: of police, and there's maybe three or four cops trying

2737
02:14:05,160 --> 02:14:07,600
Speaker 8: to prevent them from moving on the sidewalk. Here we'll

2738
02:14:07,600 --> 02:14:10,840
Speaker 8: see if they get past. Police have tackled some people.

2739
02:14:12,680 --> 02:14:13,560
Speaker 8: Police are going in for.

2740
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:14,280
Speaker 2: A lot of arrests.

2741
02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:15,240
Speaker 3: It's very combative.

2742
02:14:16,240 --> 02:14:19,680
Speaker 8: Police with batons out, attacking people, hitting on the ground,

2743
02:14:19,720 --> 02:14:24,200
Speaker 8: tackling them. Police preventing all forwards movement on the sidewalk

2744
02:14:24,240 --> 02:14:35,000
Speaker 8: as well, not just the street. People are people are

2745
02:14:35,000 --> 02:14:37,080
Speaker 8: trying to get out and police a police are really

2746
02:14:37,120 --> 02:14:44,240
Speaker 8: trying to trap them.

2747
02:14:44,320 --> 02:14:49,440
Speaker 2: Police are squishing. We can't, we can't move dude, we

2748
02:14:49,480 --> 02:14:50,160
Speaker 2: can't move back.

2749
02:14:52,040 --> 02:14:54,320
Speaker 3: No lassoom, we can't, we can't move back.

2750
02:14:57,440 --> 02:15:00,240
Speaker 2: Police are telling people to move back into nothing. Wow,

2751
02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:02,040
Speaker 2: they have us trapped by this building.

2752
02:15:04,560 --> 02:15:07,760
Speaker 8: Eventually, police realize that they cannot push all fifty people

2753
02:15:07,800 --> 02:15:11,520
Speaker 8: into a flat wall and eased off, directing people back

2754
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:15,200
Speaker 8: in front of the consulate. Police is pushing us into

2755
02:15:15,200 --> 02:15:18,480
Speaker 8: a very tiny corner a small line of police is

2756
02:15:18,520 --> 02:15:21,880
Speaker 8: separating two crowds, mostly on the sidewalk.

2757
02:15:23,880 --> 02:15:26,080
Speaker 2: All right, they're pushing us back towards the building.

2758
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:30,520
Speaker 8: Action now paused for a few minutes as both sides

2759
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:34,160
Speaker 8: figured out their next move. Protesters chanted for the release

2760
02:15:34,200 --> 02:15:35,560
Speaker 8: of detained comrades.

2761
02:15:37,240 --> 02:15:39,680
Speaker 4: Let them go, let them.

2762
02:15:39,360 --> 02:15:43,560
Speaker 2: Go, all right.

2763
02:15:43,560 --> 02:15:45,480
Speaker 8: Some of the crowd is trying to regroup, as police

2764
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:48,920
Speaker 8: today to push people off of the sidewalk and back

2765
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:52,840
Speaker 8: into the street. I guess the crowd has kind of

2766
02:15:53,040 --> 02:15:58,280
Speaker 8: been split now into four sections, police keeping them separate,

2767
02:15:58,360 --> 02:16:03,440
Speaker 8: not letting them reconvene. It's the section in front of

2768
02:16:03,480 --> 02:16:06,600
Speaker 8: the building, There's a section on the corner, this section

2769
02:16:06,760 --> 02:16:10,040
Speaker 8: behind the police line, and there's a section close to

2770
02:16:10,880 --> 02:16:13,080
Speaker 8: where people tried to march that it's now been cut

2771
02:16:13,080 --> 02:16:15,240
Speaker 8: off from the rest of the crowd, So we have

2772
02:16:15,280 --> 02:16:20,360
Speaker 8: these kind of four groups. A smaller group is reforming

2773
02:16:20,400 --> 02:16:22,320
Speaker 8: in the street in front of the building. This is

2774
02:16:22,360 --> 02:16:24,760
Speaker 8: kind of the section that got trapped by the building

2775
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:27,760
Speaker 8: as the rest of the march tried to move forward,

2776
02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:32,560
Speaker 8: and some of the people from the side have linked

2777
02:16:32,640 --> 02:16:35,400
Speaker 8: up with them as well, but still mostly kind of

2778
02:16:35,520 --> 02:16:39,160
Speaker 8: four sections separated up by police.

2779
02:16:39,800 --> 02:16:41,480
Speaker 3: People chanting to get back in the street.

2780
02:16:42,080 --> 02:16:45,520
Speaker 8: We have little squads or AG's linking up with their

2781
02:16:45,560 --> 02:16:49,160
Speaker 8: mates again, linking arms, holding hands, kind of regrouping. Right now,

2782
02:16:49,400 --> 02:16:51,200
Speaker 8: Chicago p D is kind of doing the same. They're

2783
02:16:51,200 --> 02:16:53,840
Speaker 8: reforming their line, going back more into the middle of

2784
02:16:53,879 --> 02:16:58,440
Speaker 8: the street. If they did get any detainments or arrests,

2785
02:16:58,440 --> 02:17:00,080
Speaker 8: probably sorting those out right now.

2786
02:17:00,280 --> 02:17:01,720
Speaker 2: As they decide what to do next.

2787
02:17:02,920 --> 02:17:05,080
Speaker 8: During this loll period, I was able to hear a

2788
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:08,080
Speaker 8: decent amount of police comms chatter coming from their walkie

2789
02:17:08,120 --> 02:17:10,320
Speaker 8: talkies as the police decided on.

2790
02:17:10,240 --> 02:17:11,119
Speaker 3: Their next move.

2791
02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:13,480
Speaker 8: All right, I just heard on police comms that they're

2792
02:17:13,480 --> 02:17:18,600
Speaker 8: gonna be asking for media to leave. Interesting, they are

2793
02:17:18,600 --> 02:17:21,959
Speaker 8: calling for transport vands, So if they're going to start

2794
02:17:21,959 --> 02:17:24,760
Speaker 8: doing arrests, they might try to get media to leave

2795
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:32,800
Speaker 8: first then really move in. It sounds like to me

2796
02:17:32,920 --> 02:17:37,000
Speaker 8: on the comms they're calling out specific people to do

2797
02:17:37,040 --> 02:17:40,800
Speaker 8: targeted arrests. On the comms, they're calling out specific outfits,

2798
02:17:41,120 --> 02:17:43,840
Speaker 8: specific what people are wearing, what people are holding, to

2799
02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:45,680
Speaker 8: move in and do targeted arrests on the crowd.

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02:17:46,560 --> 02:17:48,599
Speaker 2: Some of the descriptions are very general.

2801
02:17:48,520 --> 02:17:53,080
Speaker 8: Like black hoodie, red hat, that kind of stuff. I

2802
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:55,240
Speaker 8: really did not want to get a face full of mace,

2803
02:17:55,400 --> 02:17:57,800
Speaker 8: So as soon as I saw police carrying mace cans,

2804
02:17:58,160 --> 02:18:01,640
Speaker 8: I perhaps a bit prematurely decided to don my full

2805
02:18:01,680 --> 02:18:04,600
Speaker 8: face gas mask, which I then took off like ten

2806
02:18:04,640 --> 02:18:07,200
Speaker 8: minutes later as it became clear that we weren't in

2807
02:18:07,320 --> 02:18:11,120
Speaker 8: immediate danger of amazing, Well, I don't think I'm gonna

2808
02:18:11,160 --> 02:18:16,480
Speaker 8: see a Barack Obama today. There's been enough of a

2809
02:18:16,600 --> 02:18:20,800
Speaker 8: pause that the anticipation keeps growing. Does everyone knows what's

2810
02:18:20,840 --> 02:18:23,600
Speaker 8: about to happen? We're just waiting for it to happen,

2811
02:18:24,760 --> 02:18:27,080
Speaker 8: all right. The file Time protesters that are fund of

2812
02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:31,160
Speaker 8: the building are not moving towards the Israeli counter protesters

2813
02:18:31,560 --> 02:18:36,199
Speaker 8: on the other side. As things started to heap back up,

2814
02:18:36,400 --> 02:18:38,840
Speaker 8: some folks in the crowd opted to exit the area

2815
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:42,000
Speaker 8: via a small EVAC route on the northwest corner of

2816
02:18:42,040 --> 02:18:45,040
Speaker 8: the street. Considering the talk of targeted arrests on the

2817
02:18:45,080 --> 02:18:48,000
Speaker 8: police scanner, police may have been eyeing up certain people

2818
02:18:48,040 --> 02:18:50,199
Speaker 8: in the crowd who then got the hint about what's

2819
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:52,720
Speaker 8: about to go down next.

2820
02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:56,360
Speaker 2: You see that blocked the just bounce?

2821
02:18:56,520 --> 02:18:59,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I think they can spot that they were

2822
02:18:59,879 --> 02:19:03,879
Speaker 8: about to get targeted for arrests. I think so because

2823
02:19:03,920 --> 02:19:06,000
Speaker 8: they were being followed up by some of some of

2824
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:07,320
Speaker 8: the sergeants, because.

2825
02:19:07,160 --> 02:19:09,280
Speaker 2: I honestly I can't name any law breaking other than

2826
02:19:09,520 --> 02:19:11,959
Speaker 2: quote unquote shoving with the paw. Sure, but I mean,

2827
02:19:12,040 --> 02:19:13,680
Speaker 2: you know they can get you on something.

2828
02:19:15,000 --> 02:19:17,680
Speaker 8: The protest did not stay still for too long, and

2829
02:19:17,800 --> 02:19:21,080
Speaker 8: a little less than an hour since the last big confrontation,

2830
02:19:21,560 --> 02:19:23,480
Speaker 8: the crowd once again attempted to march.

2831
02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:26,560
Speaker 3: All right, it is nearly eight twenty.

2832
02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:29,279
Speaker 8: The crowd that remained in front of these early constant

2833
02:19:29,280 --> 02:19:32,640
Speaker 8: building is now moving up again towards Clinton Street to

2834
02:19:32,760 --> 02:19:37,800
Speaker 8: re engage the confrontation that happened nearly an hour ago. Look,

2835
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:43,080
Speaker 8: there's less cameras in between the two factions, but not

2836
02:19:43,160 --> 02:19:47,840
Speaker 8: no cameras. The crowd of protesters is still approaching, and

2837
02:19:47,879 --> 02:19:48,640
Speaker 8: they're turning.

2838
02:19:48,800 --> 02:19:51,520
Speaker 2: They are turning. They turned down Clinton Street.

2839
02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:55,360
Speaker 8: This is the movement they tried to make before, but

2840
02:19:55,400 --> 02:19:56,640
Speaker 8: police prevented them from doing so.

2841
02:19:57,480 --> 02:20:00,000
Speaker 2: And now they're so far able to exit.

2842
02:20:01,240 --> 02:20:03,760
Speaker 8: The section of the protest that was still facing down

2843
02:20:03,800 --> 02:20:06,400
Speaker 8: the riot line split up into two smaller groups and

2844
02:20:06,440 --> 02:20:09,760
Speaker 8: then made this same movement down the sidewalk away from

2845
02:20:09,840 --> 02:20:14,840
Speaker 8: the police. The people that were traveling down the sidewalk

2846
02:20:14,840 --> 02:20:19,199
Speaker 8: and Clinton have now reformed on Moreau Street.

2847
02:20:20,800 --> 02:20:22,240
Speaker 2: And they are now marching.

2848
02:20:24,440 --> 02:20:28,200
Speaker 8: The police are now caught behind the protesters in the march,

2849
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:33,119
Speaker 8: but sure enough police quickly arrived to contain the mobile protest.

2850
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:36,480
Speaker 8: All right, bike cops have beat most of the crowd

2851
02:20:36,520 --> 02:20:40,640
Speaker 8: to the intersection, but they're still slowly arriving. The intersection

2852
02:20:40,760 --> 02:20:43,720
Speaker 8: up here is a T shape, so only two directions

2853
02:20:43,760 --> 02:20:47,320
Speaker 8: to go. Please are gonna try to get them to

2854
02:20:47,360 --> 02:20:47,840
Speaker 8: take a rite?

2855
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:48,480
Speaker 2: It looks like.

2856
02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:54,400
Speaker 8: Yep, all right, more please catch it up.

2857
02:20:54,680 --> 02:20:55,560
Speaker 3: I was triakon here.

2858
02:20:55,800 --> 02:21:01,280
Speaker 8: Bike cops coming in from both sides. Oh, this is

2859
02:21:01,360 --> 02:21:06,680
Speaker 8: quite the pickle. Unfortunately, because of the T shape of

2860
02:21:06,720 --> 02:21:08,720
Speaker 8: this intersection, this is now a little bit of a

2861
02:21:08,760 --> 02:21:12,440
Speaker 8: tighter pinch. They can still get out and be a

2862
02:21:12,440 --> 02:21:15,480
Speaker 8: one path on the sidewalk, but they might prefer a

2863
02:21:15,520 --> 02:21:18,039
Speaker 8: confrontation with some of these police.

2864
02:21:18,040 --> 02:21:18,520
Speaker 4: We'll see.

2865
02:21:18,920 --> 02:21:21,840
Speaker 8: The march paused at this T shaped intersection for a

2866
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:25,840
Speaker 8: few minutes as they decided their next move. All right,

2867
02:21:25,959 --> 02:21:29,120
Speaker 8: the crowd is standing in front of this very thin

2868
02:21:29,320 --> 02:21:32,680
Speaker 8: lineup bike comps. The police line's not very thick because

2869
02:21:32,680 --> 02:21:35,800
Speaker 8: they had to move kind of impromptu to adjust to

2870
02:21:35,879 --> 02:21:40,959
Speaker 8: the movements of the crowd. Small groups of the protests

2871
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:47,440
Speaker 8: keep peeling off. They're slowly bleeding numbers. People chanting let

2872
02:21:47,520 --> 02:21:51,840
Speaker 8: us through as the police yelled to move back. Police

2873
02:21:51,879 --> 02:21:54,720
Speaker 8: have the remaining crowd in a pretty tight squeeze the moment.

2874
02:21:57,040 --> 02:22:00,440
Speaker 8: Smaller groups keep peeling off, but now the remaining march

2875
02:22:00,640 --> 02:22:05,000
Speaker 8: is moving forward as the bike cops slowly back up.

2876
02:22:05,800 --> 02:22:08,040
Speaker 8: Looks like most of the crowd has been moving onto

2877
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:12,880
Speaker 8: the sidewalk to move down the street. They don't really

2878
02:22:12,879 --> 02:22:16,360
Speaker 8: have many more moves to make. There's just a saturation

2879
02:22:16,440 --> 02:22:19,960
Speaker 8: of police in this area that the cops can adapt

2880
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:27,480
Speaker 8: to any movement this shrinking crowd makes. Police are piling

2881
02:22:27,480 --> 02:22:31,640
Speaker 8: into the sidewalk. Police are making arrests. Please are doing

2882
02:22:31,640 --> 02:22:39,720
Speaker 8: target arrests. They're grabbing people on the sidewalk. Numbers of

2883
02:22:39,800 --> 02:22:43,440
Speaker 8: arrests are being made. There's at least at least five

2884
02:22:43,560 --> 02:22:47,640
Speaker 8: from where I'm standing. Police ordering media out of the

2885
02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:56,640
Speaker 8: way on the side. On the side, protesters are now

2886
02:22:56,720 --> 02:23:00,040
Speaker 8: moving back on the sidewalk, backtracking.

2887
02:22:59,480 --> 02:23:00,520
Speaker 3: Away from the police.

2888
02:23:01,440 --> 02:23:04,039
Speaker 8: The remaining crowd attempted to move away from the police

2889
02:23:04,040 --> 02:23:06,680
Speaker 8: who were making arrests on the sidewalk but the only

2890
02:23:06,680 --> 02:23:09,240
Speaker 8: way left to move was back where they just came from.

2891
02:23:09,600 --> 02:23:11,599
Speaker 3: People are linking up with their AG's.

2892
02:23:12,760 --> 02:23:17,640
Speaker 8: Arm in arm, trying to move through this very, very

2893
02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:21,600
Speaker 8: tricky environment. Right now, there's so everywhere we go, I

2894
02:23:21,640 --> 02:23:27,959
Speaker 8: see a new a new battalion of cops. People really

2895
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:30,039
Speaker 8: just have nowhere to go. There's just police everywhere. We're

2896
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:33,000
Speaker 8: just at this point moving in circles, but not like

2897
02:23:33,000 --> 02:23:36,000
Speaker 8: the regular march circles, just on the sidewalk, going back

2898
02:23:36,040 --> 02:23:38,000
Speaker 8: and forth, backtracking, looping around.

2899
02:23:40,160 --> 02:23:42,360
Speaker 2: They're trying to find somewhere just to get out of

2900
02:23:42,360 --> 02:23:43,200
Speaker 2: this area.

2901
02:23:43,440 --> 02:23:46,520
Speaker 8: Mostly out of options on where to go. The protest

2902
02:23:46,720 --> 02:23:49,800
Speaker 8: entered a small patio terrace on the corner of the street.

2903
02:23:50,520 --> 02:23:53,520
Speaker 8: Protesters are now getting into the terrace of this building

2904
02:23:53,560 --> 02:23:56,879
Speaker 8: at five point twenty five West Monroe.

2905
02:23:57,080 --> 02:24:02,720
Speaker 2: That's probably not gonna end great. At this point.

2906
02:24:03,240 --> 02:24:09,600
Speaker 8: Police have the remaining much smaller crowd maybe fifty, squeezed

2907
02:24:09,640 --> 02:24:14,600
Speaker 8: in in this little building terrace corner. They are not

2908
02:24:14,879 --> 02:24:20,800
Speaker 8: letting any protesters leave. A shoving match just started. Police

2909
02:24:20,840 --> 02:24:25,119
Speaker 8: are moving in and they're tackling, pushing people on the ground.

2910
02:24:25,720 --> 02:24:28,200
Speaker 8: It's almost nine pm.

2911
02:24:28,720 --> 02:24:31,680
Speaker 3: Police have one arrest. Now they just drig someone out by.

2912
02:24:31,560 --> 02:24:34,840
Speaker 8: Their hair from the crowd that is currently just completely kettled.

2913
02:24:34,920 --> 02:24:37,440
Speaker 8: For the first time tonight, they're providing no evacuation ruts

2914
02:24:37,440 --> 02:24:41,359
Speaker 8: for protesters. They are trapped on this street corner, completely surrounded,

2915
02:24:41,840 --> 02:24:48,320
Speaker 8: not letting anyone leave. Eventually, a small hole opened up,

2916
02:24:48,400 --> 02:24:52,040
Speaker 8: letting a few protesters leave this kettled patio. Robert was

2917
02:24:52,080 --> 02:24:55,360
Speaker 8: able to exit with this group, but many people were

2918
02:24:55,400 --> 02:24:58,080
Speaker 8: not able to make it through, and this little patio

2919
02:24:58,240 --> 02:25:00,640
Speaker 8: was where a number of arrests were able to take

2920
02:25:00,680 --> 02:25:04,520
Speaker 8: place as others slowly dispersed throughout the West Loop neighborhood

2921
02:25:04,800 --> 02:25:10,240
Speaker 8: of Chicago. According to NBC, the police superintendent Larry Sneeling,

2922
02:25:10,600 --> 02:25:12,960
Speaker 8: which is kind of a great name for a cop,

2923
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:16,800
Speaker 8: praised his officers for a quote unquote, showing restraint when

2924
02:25:16,800 --> 02:25:19,680
Speaker 8: no one else did, saying that they quote did an

2925
02:25:19,760 --> 02:25:23,840
Speaker 8: excellent job responding to violence and vandalism. He made a

2926
02:25:23,840 --> 02:25:27,120
Speaker 8: similar comment on Wednesday, saying that the protest quote showed

2927
02:25:27,200 --> 02:25:29,960
Speaker 8: up with the intention of committing acts of violence and

2928
02:25:30,040 --> 02:25:35,680
Speaker 8: vandalism unquote. Now, there was no vandalism that was actually

2929
02:25:35,760 --> 02:25:37,080
Speaker 8: committed during this protest.

2930
02:25:37,160 --> 02:25:38,039
Speaker 3: That did not happen.

2931
02:25:38,120 --> 02:25:42,080
Speaker 8: I'm not sure how the superintendent was able to infer

2932
02:25:42,200 --> 02:25:46,280
Speaker 8: the intention of this protest exactly as no vandalism took

2933
02:25:46,320 --> 02:25:49,000
Speaker 8: place and the only violence that happened was when police

2934
02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:52,160
Speaker 8: started pushing people who were trying to march forwards in

2935
02:25:52,200 --> 02:25:52,720
Speaker 8: the street.

2936
02:25:53,480 --> 02:25:56,119
Speaker 2: Wow, Garrison, that was a gripping story that we're going

2937
02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:57,160
Speaker 2: to talk about.

2938
02:25:57,400 --> 02:26:02,359
Speaker 8: After these services, services, products, okay, products and services.

2939
02:26:02,480 --> 02:26:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, maybe we can't know. It's impossible to say

2940
02:26:14,400 --> 02:26:17,959
Speaker 2: we're back, so I don't know. I guess we should

2941
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:20,160
Speaker 2: probably just kind of give some final thoughts on how

2942
02:26:20,200 --> 02:26:24,720
Speaker 2: we felt about this protest. My overwhelming impression, and I

2943
02:26:24,760 --> 02:26:26,440
Speaker 2: really am not saying this to try to be mean,

2944
02:26:26,560 --> 02:26:30,720
Speaker 2: is that the crowd came with a lot of rhetoric

2945
02:26:30,879 --> 02:26:35,199
Speaker 2: about this is the protest that matters, We are going

2946
02:26:35,240 --> 02:26:38,160
Speaker 2: to shut down the DNC, we are going to throw

2947
02:26:38,200 --> 02:26:41,760
Speaker 2: our bodies upon the machinery of empire. And then after

2948
02:26:41,800 --> 02:26:44,560
Speaker 2: the first couple of hand to hand clashes with the police,

2949
02:26:44,600 --> 02:26:47,560
Speaker 2: which were mostly just kind of shoving, people just wanted

2950
02:26:47,600 --> 02:26:49,800
Speaker 2: to get home. They wanted to leave, and most of

2951
02:26:49,840 --> 02:26:53,840
Speaker 2: the night was us following people attempting to get home

2952
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:56,920
Speaker 2: and disperse and not being allowed to buy the police

2953
02:26:57,600 --> 02:26:59,600
Speaker 2: every time they would like do a big push in

2954
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:03,000
Speaker 2: where they're all shouting move in unison. They're telling you

2955
02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:04,680
Speaker 2: to go back, They're telling you to do this or

2956
02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:07,160
Speaker 2: you'll get arrested. And there's always you're always surrounded on

2957
02:27:07,240 --> 02:27:10,320
Speaker 2: every side by cops and you know, sometimes by gaggles

2958
02:27:10,360 --> 02:27:13,680
Speaker 2: of media. But like it was impossible to comply, Like I,

2959
02:27:13,879 --> 02:27:16,840
Speaker 2: I can't say that I saw any law breaking really

2960
02:27:16,920 --> 02:27:20,240
Speaker 2: aside from assuming the cops called an unlawful assembly, which

2961
02:27:20,560 --> 02:27:22,600
Speaker 2: I did not hear. I don't know how you would

2962
02:27:22,640 --> 02:27:24,720
Speaker 2: have heard in most of the product protests, but assuming

2963
02:27:24,720 --> 02:27:26,119
Speaker 2: they did, as that's the law breaker.

2964
02:27:26,240 --> 02:27:28,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, there was no like property damage, there was no

2965
02:27:28,560 --> 02:27:31,720
Speaker 8: there was no no real right activity. Yeah, you know,

2966
02:27:31,800 --> 02:27:34,640
Speaker 8: people people tried to march and police prevented them with

2967
02:27:34,720 --> 02:27:38,359
Speaker 8: their bodies yep, and you know there's a confrontation that ensues,

2968
02:27:38,720 --> 02:27:41,160
Speaker 8: like at that point where where the two groups meet.

2969
02:27:41,600 --> 02:27:44,120
Speaker 8: But besides that, it was it was people trying to

2970
02:27:44,160 --> 02:27:45,880
Speaker 8: march and the cops that prevented them from doing so.

2971
02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:48,320
Speaker 2: And it was a lot. I got stuck at one

2972
02:27:48,320 --> 02:27:50,120
Speaker 2: point with a group of twenty or so people, a

2973
02:27:50,160 --> 02:27:53,240
Speaker 2: handful of protesters, couple of media, and then maybe a

2974
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:56,000
Speaker 2: dozen or more, Like I think they were locals. I

2975
02:27:56,040 --> 02:27:58,360
Speaker 2: guess it's possible they were tourists, but people who had

2976
02:27:58,440 --> 02:28:01,440
Speaker 2: just seen the march going down the st and thought

2977
02:28:01,440 --> 02:28:03,199
Speaker 2: that they might follow along and watch for a little

2978
02:28:03,240 --> 02:28:05,320
Speaker 2: And then the cops moved in so fast. We all

2979
02:28:05,360 --> 02:28:08,120
Speaker 2: got walled off in the courtyard of a hotel that

2980
02:28:08,280 --> 02:28:10,959
Speaker 2: didn't actually have street access, but it wasn't clear that

2981
02:28:11,040 --> 02:28:14,520
Speaker 2: it didn't, and the police repeatedly said they were going

2982
02:28:14,560 --> 02:28:16,800
Speaker 2: to arrest all of us. I had like a discussion

2983
02:28:16,840 --> 02:28:19,400
Speaker 2: with one about my credentials because he was like, those

2984
02:28:19,400 --> 02:28:22,000
Speaker 2: are press credential. Eventually they got a cop who could read,

2985
02:28:22,440 --> 02:28:25,039
Speaker 2: but another journalists got arrested. I think there were at

2986
02:28:25,120 --> 02:28:26,320
Speaker 2: least four arrested.

2987
02:28:26,800 --> 02:28:28,720
Speaker 3: Even at least four journalists were at least.

2988
02:28:28,560 --> 02:28:32,440
Speaker 2: Four journalists were arrested. Yeah, because after I got out,

2989
02:28:32,640 --> 02:28:35,000
Speaker 2: they let most of the people in our kettle out,

2990
02:28:35,080 --> 02:28:37,480
Speaker 2: but they pulled one guy with a helmet that said

2991
02:28:37,520 --> 02:28:40,200
Speaker 2: press on It out of the kettle. I think his

2992
02:28:40,320 --> 02:28:43,080
Speaker 2: name was Josh Pacheco. I believe it was Josh that

2993
02:28:43,120 --> 02:28:47,680
Speaker 2: I was filming. Josh was definitely arrested and he is

2994
02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:50,840
Speaker 2: going to be raising money because his camera was broken.

2995
02:28:50,920 --> 02:28:53,920
Speaker 2: They tossed his cameras lens first onto the ground and

2996
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:56,879
Speaker 2: did significant damage. If you want to find Josh's info

2997
02:28:56,920 --> 02:29:01,840
Speaker 2: online at JP Underscore OTG you can find his information.

2998
02:29:02,080 --> 02:29:04,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll be doing a fundraiser at some point.

2999
02:29:04,959 --> 02:29:08,000
Speaker 8: And obviously there were many more protesters arrested. The actual

3000
02:29:08,000 --> 02:29:10,120
Speaker 8: final number is kind of up in the air. Police

3001
02:29:10,160 --> 02:29:13,000
Speaker 8: are saying that twenty two people at least were arrested,

3002
02:29:13,240 --> 02:29:15,520
Speaker 8: and ENLG is saying it's closer to a devan.

3003
02:29:15,600 --> 02:29:18,240
Speaker 2: Being the National Lawyer's Guild, they show up at protests

3004
02:29:18,320 --> 02:29:21,320
Speaker 2: to protect people's rights primarily in the event of arrest.

3005
02:29:21,400 --> 02:29:23,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, so there's kind of some confusion here on how

3006
02:29:23,360 --> 02:29:26,240
Speaker 8: many people were actually arrested. I'll try to get confirmations

3007
02:29:26,240 --> 02:29:28,680
Speaker 8: and I'll add that in later tonight. I'll also look

3008
02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:30,880
Speaker 8: for a bail fund. Yeah, to donate as well, because

3009
02:29:30,920 --> 02:29:34,920
Speaker 8: it is always unfortunate when journalists are arrested, but it's

3010
02:29:35,040 --> 02:29:38,640
Speaker 8: equally as unfortunate when people who are protesting, especially for

3011
02:29:38,680 --> 02:29:40,480
Speaker 8: a cause like this, get arrested as well.

3012
02:29:40,480 --> 02:29:43,320
Speaker 3: Like this is I think something that it's worthstating.

3013
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:46,720
Speaker 2: Especially since again I can't say anything anyone did to

3014
02:29:46,840 --> 02:29:49,600
Speaker 2: precipitate arrest. It's not even like they were closing down

3015
02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:52,440
Speaker 2: streets because the police had closed down every street they

3016
02:29:52,440 --> 02:29:56,119
Speaker 2: were on before they showed up. I think the police

3017
02:29:56,360 --> 02:29:59,800
Speaker 2: very clearly were under orders to keep things peaceful as

3018
02:29:59,800 --> 02:30:03,200
Speaker 2: long long as possible, largely because they didn't want the

3019
02:30:03,320 --> 02:30:06,800
Speaker 2: DNC and the city government didn't want the embarrassment of

3020
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:09,240
Speaker 2: anything really ugly. So there were no weapons used. There

3021
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:11,520
Speaker 2: was no mace used. I didn't even really see the

3022
02:30:11,560 --> 02:30:12,400
Speaker 2: sticks used much.

3023
02:30:12,640 --> 02:30:14,920
Speaker 8: They were mostly used to like push. There was very

3024
02:30:14,959 --> 02:30:17,199
Speaker 8: little in terms of like like like overhand hitting.

3025
02:30:17,360 --> 02:30:19,840
Speaker 2: But they didn't need any of that stuff because there

3026
02:30:19,879 --> 02:30:21,600
Speaker 2: was no point at which they had less than a

3027
02:30:21,640 --> 02:30:24,680
Speaker 2: two to one numerical advantage, usually more like three or four.

3028
02:30:24,800 --> 02:30:27,120
Speaker 8: And the people that were organizing this protest in the

3029
02:30:27,200 --> 02:30:29,680
Speaker 8: in the days prior where like announcing part of their

3030
02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:33,000
Speaker 8: intention was to specifically get beat up by police and

3031
02:30:33,400 --> 02:30:36,199
Speaker 8: like beat up badly and have this like generate news coverage,

3032
02:30:36,680 --> 02:30:40,480
Speaker 8: you know, this slight Stare organization as well, Yeah, invoking

3033
02:30:40,720 --> 02:30:44,160
Speaker 8: Chicago nineteen sixty eight, and police largely like denied them

3034
02:30:44,240 --> 02:30:47,040
Speaker 8: that option. And you know, many of the participants also

3035
02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:51,560
Speaker 8: options to not continue, you know, an hour's long physical

3036
02:30:51,560 --> 02:30:54,520
Speaker 8: confrontation with police and instead opted to try to move

3037
02:30:54,520 --> 02:30:56,920
Speaker 8: around them, try to evade them, instead of trying to

3038
02:30:56,920 --> 02:30:59,080
Speaker 8: you know, push through police lines. You know, there was

3039
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:00,959
Speaker 8: a few points where the the police lines that were

3040
02:31:00,959 --> 02:31:03,720
Speaker 8: blocking the street was very thin after people started to

3041
02:31:03,760 --> 02:31:08,119
Speaker 8: move around this kind of area, around around the Consulate building,

3042
02:31:08,320 --> 02:31:10,160
Speaker 8: and then you know, other times the police lines were

3043
02:31:10,200 --> 02:31:15,760
Speaker 8: very thick, but consistently people opted to not continue a

3044
02:31:15,800 --> 02:31:18,000
Speaker 8: long physical engagement with police.

3045
02:31:18,120 --> 02:31:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a discretion is the better part of

3046
02:31:21,080 --> 02:31:22,960
Speaker 2: valor kind of night, and I think that's the point

3047
02:31:23,000 --> 02:31:26,160
Speaker 2: at which the police decided we are going to arrest people.

3048
02:31:26,200 --> 02:31:27,560
Speaker 2: There was a degree to which it felt like they

3049
02:31:27,560 --> 02:31:30,840
Speaker 2: were just kind of like trying out tactics. A lot

3050
02:31:30,840 --> 02:31:32,880
Speaker 2: of what they were doing was splitting up the crowd

3051
02:31:33,200 --> 02:31:36,640
Speaker 2: then doing targeted arrests and kind of separating, calving off

3052
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:39,200
Speaker 2: chunks of it. I don't know the whole thing. I

3053
02:31:39,280 --> 02:31:42,040
Speaker 2: kind of couldn't stop myself from being drawn back to

3054
02:31:42,120 --> 02:31:45,039
Speaker 2: the whole time. It's like, what is the actual utility

3055
02:31:45,320 --> 02:31:48,640
Speaker 2: of this really? Because it didn't get attention, not much.

3056
02:31:48,800 --> 02:31:50,760
Speaker 2: You know, there's some news coverage and stuff, but it's

3057
02:31:50,800 --> 02:31:53,560
Speaker 2: not a Chicago sixty eight moment. I don't think this

3058
02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:57,120
Speaker 2: is going to move any needle for anybody, and obviously

3059
02:31:57,120 --> 02:31:58,920
Speaker 2: that's the goal, right is to have some kind of

3060
02:31:58,959 --> 02:32:01,480
Speaker 2: an impact. I mean everyone was saying, like the stated

3061
02:32:01,520 --> 02:32:04,160
Speaker 2: goal at all of these protests shut down the DNC,

3062
02:32:04,959 --> 02:32:07,440
Speaker 2: and the only time that kind of happened was at

3063
02:32:07,480 --> 02:32:13,000
Speaker 2: the less radical protest policed protests yesterday, right when largely

3064
02:32:13,080 --> 02:32:16,240
Speaker 2: kind of by accident. I don't know like that. I'm

3065
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:18,920
Speaker 2: not trying to be like down on anyone. It just

3066
02:32:19,000 --> 02:32:21,840
Speaker 2: is one of those what when you're seeing the sheer

3067
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:26,680
Speaker 2: weight of police and the numbers of protesters being generated

3068
02:32:26,800 --> 02:32:30,040
Speaker 2: is one hundred or two hundred, it just feels like

3069
02:32:30,560 --> 02:32:34,160
Speaker 2: you're asking people to get fucked up and damage their

3070
02:32:34,200 --> 02:32:38,199
Speaker 2: lives in a situation in which that's unlikely to actually

3071
02:32:38,680 --> 02:32:40,520
Speaker 2: lead to any of the things they want to see.

3072
02:32:41,000 --> 02:32:42,440
Speaker 3: Hey, this is gare cutting in again.

3073
02:32:42,800 --> 02:32:45,879
Speaker 8: The exact number of arrests is still a little bit unclear,

3074
02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:48,560
Speaker 8: but we have a clearer idea than what we did

3075
02:32:48,600 --> 02:32:51,600
Speaker 8: a few hours ago. The official number as of Wednesday

3076
02:32:51,640 --> 02:32:54,840
Speaker 8: evening is that fifty six people were arrested.

3077
02:32:55,440 --> 02:32:57,119
Speaker 3: I'm going to quote from the AP.

3078
02:32:57,160 --> 02:33:00,360
Speaker 8: Quote thirty of the people detained by police were issue

3079
02:33:00,440 --> 02:33:04,680
Speaker 8: citations for disorderly conduct. According to Chicago Police, one person

3080
02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:07,840
Speaker 8: was arrested on a felony charge of resisting police, while

3081
02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:13,160
Speaker 8: nine were charged with misdemeanors including disorderly conduct, resisting officers, battery, assault,

3082
02:33:13,400 --> 02:33:17,640
Speaker 8: and criminal damage to property. Police said, unquote for the record,

3083
02:33:17,800 --> 02:33:22,040
Speaker 8: neither myself nor Robert witnessed any criminal damage to property.

3084
02:33:22,480 --> 02:33:25,120
Speaker 2: I guess to kind of conclude a protest that's going

3085
02:33:25,160 --> 02:33:28,360
Speaker 2: to actually like move the Needler change, anything has to

3086
02:33:29,160 --> 02:33:35,360
Speaker 2: overwhelm like the capacity of the state system to deal

3087
02:33:35,440 --> 02:33:37,160
Speaker 2: with it. It has to be something that the state

3088
02:33:37,240 --> 02:33:39,440
Speaker 2: is not. We saw this in twenty twenty, right like

3089
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:41,920
Speaker 2: just over I'm just talking about Portland. Just like overall,

3090
02:33:42,440 --> 02:33:45,760
Speaker 2: the George Floyd uprising was beyond what the state was

3091
02:33:45,800 --> 02:33:48,560
Speaker 2: prepared to handle for at least a sizable chunk, especially

3092
02:33:48,640 --> 02:33:51,879
Speaker 2: of the early days. It like overwhelmed the capacity of

3093
02:33:51,920 --> 02:33:55,879
Speaker 2: the resources the state had to respond adequately. The state,

3094
02:33:56,280 --> 02:33:58,440
Speaker 2: at least everything I've seen so far at the DNC

3095
02:33:59,000 --> 02:34:02,160
Speaker 2: has been perfectly prepared for everything that people brought to bear.

3096
02:34:02,720 --> 02:34:04,480
Speaker 2: And that's really the summary I've got.

3097
02:34:04,959 --> 02:34:06,520
Speaker 8: We're gonna go on a quick break and then be

3098
02:34:06,600 --> 02:34:10,640
Speaker 8: back to hear from Sophie about the Obama festival inside

3099
02:34:10,959 --> 02:34:25,400
Speaker 8: the Democratic National Convention. All right, we are back and

3100
02:34:25,440 --> 02:34:28,760
Speaker 8: as as this protest was happening in this area around

3101
02:34:28,760 --> 02:34:31,320
Speaker 8: like I think it's called the West Loop, Sophie was

3102
02:34:31,360 --> 02:34:35,560
Speaker 8: inside the DNC and there was also people similar to

3103
02:34:35,560 --> 02:34:37,879
Speaker 8: the first day of the DNC who snuck in like

3104
02:34:38,160 --> 02:34:42,200
Speaker 8: banners into the DNC and unfurled them like pro Palestine

3105
02:34:42,440 --> 02:34:45,480
Speaker 8: disarming as royal banners. I believe the banner from last

3106
02:34:45,560 --> 02:34:49,280
Speaker 8: night just read free Palestine and Sophie. What was it

3107
02:34:49,440 --> 02:34:52,320
Speaker 8: like in there exactly? Was it easier to get into

3108
02:34:52,400 --> 02:34:53,800
Speaker 8: than the than the day previous?

3109
02:34:54,120 --> 02:34:57,200
Speaker 10: Well, it was more, it was, It was it was

3110
02:34:57,520 --> 02:35:00,320
Speaker 10: is what I'll say. It wasn't as organized is the

3111
02:35:00,440 --> 02:35:02,000
Speaker 10: R and C, but it was. It was better than

3112
02:35:02,040 --> 02:35:02,680
Speaker 10: the day prior.

3113
02:35:02,959 --> 02:35:03,280
Speaker 2: That's good.

3114
02:35:03,320 --> 02:35:04,800
Speaker 10: A win is a win at this point.

3115
02:35:05,400 --> 02:35:10,119
Speaker 1: But yeah, the energy was electric, as I heard multiple

3116
02:35:10,160 --> 02:35:14,920
Speaker 1: people say throughout the night in the unassigned press area

3117
02:35:15,160 --> 02:35:15,720
Speaker 1: that I was.

3118
02:35:15,720 --> 02:35:19,800
Speaker 8: In, it felt like, at least from watching online afterwards,

3119
02:35:20,320 --> 02:35:23,039
Speaker 8: it gave really big, like two thousand and eight energy.

3120
02:35:23,120 --> 02:35:23,320
Speaker 13: Yeah.

3121
02:35:23,400 --> 02:35:27,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously, you know, Michelle Obama Barack Obama are both speaking,

3122
02:35:27,240 --> 02:35:28,480
Speaker 8: so that that kind of carries with it.

3123
02:35:28,440 --> 02:35:28,920
Speaker 2: A little bit.

3124
02:35:29,160 --> 02:35:31,600
Speaker 8: But but even just like the general vibe just felt

3125
02:35:31,600 --> 02:35:34,000
Speaker 8: it felt very two thousand and eight, like that style

3126
02:35:34,400 --> 02:35:36,240
Speaker 8: of like two thousand and eight optimism.

3127
02:35:36,440 --> 02:35:38,600
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that.

3128
02:35:39,040 --> 02:35:41,640
Speaker 1: I've been asked a lot like what the energy is

3129
02:35:41,640 --> 02:35:43,640
Speaker 1: compared to the rn C, and like the rn C

3130
02:35:43,879 --> 02:35:47,240
Speaker 1: was more like a WWE event and this was more

3131
02:35:47,360 --> 02:35:51,400
Speaker 1: like a you know, B level pop star concert, sure

3132
02:35:51,520 --> 02:35:54,800
Speaker 1: where everyone was very excited to be there, where I

3133
02:35:54,840 --> 02:35:58,839
Speaker 1: only knew a couple of the songs. Sure, that was

3134
02:35:58,520 --> 02:36:02,640
Speaker 1: that was the general of But the main speed section

3135
02:36:02,760 --> 02:36:07,800
Speaker 1: of the event started off with Center Majority leader Chuck Schumer.

3136
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:10,000
Speaker 3: And I watched his speech. It was not very good.

3137
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:13,280
Speaker 1: He came out and and was what some would describe

3138
02:36:13,320 --> 02:36:15,000
Speaker 1: as dancing on stage.

3139
02:36:15,040 --> 02:36:18,680
Speaker 2: He was quesetable. His speech was very like robotic. Yeah

3140
02:36:18,760 --> 02:36:20,440
Speaker 2: it was. He was not good. Well, he's the head

3141
02:36:20,440 --> 02:36:23,600
Speaker 2: of the dim Crypto Caucus, so like he's part robot.

3142
02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:27,320
Speaker 1: But it was like people were not super into him.

3143
02:36:27,600 --> 02:36:30,879
Speaker 1: He was whatever. But then Bertie Sayers came up and

3144
02:36:31,240 --> 02:36:34,199
Speaker 1: I was actually surprised at the crowd was as into

3145
02:36:34,280 --> 02:36:34,920
Speaker 1: him as.

3146
02:36:34,760 --> 02:36:37,920
Speaker 2: They were, but not super into No, no, no, don't.

3147
02:36:37,680 --> 02:36:41,040
Speaker 1: Get me wrong with nothing like nothing like the Obamas

3148
02:36:41,080 --> 02:36:41,680
Speaker 1: later in the night.

3149
02:36:41,879 --> 02:36:43,400
Speaker 2: Nothing even like AOC, it seems.

3150
02:36:43,560 --> 02:36:43,720
Speaker 13: No.

3151
02:36:43,879 --> 02:36:46,760
Speaker 10: They definitely loved AOC a lot, a lot more than Bernie.

3152
02:36:47,160 --> 02:36:48,200
Speaker 10: I enjoyed his speech.

3153
02:36:48,440 --> 02:36:50,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, he gave like one of the more like economically

3154
02:36:50,520 --> 02:36:53,680
Speaker 8: sound speeches talking about actual issues facing working people.

3155
02:36:53,800 --> 02:36:54,160
Speaker 10: Correct.

3156
02:36:54,480 --> 02:36:56,560
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, a lot of the other

3157
02:36:56,640 --> 02:36:59,120
Speaker 1: journalists around me were talking during that time. There was

3158
02:36:59,160 --> 02:37:01,680
Speaker 1: not They were not thoroughly paying attention to him, which

3159
02:37:01,720 --> 02:37:02,480
Speaker 1: was interesting to know.

3160
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:05,160
Speaker 8: It was the same speech that he's been giving since

3161
02:37:05,160 --> 02:37:08,640
Speaker 8: twenty sixteen. Essentially, I feel like, unfortunately, the economic situation

3162
02:37:08,680 --> 02:37:10,520
Speaker 8: in the States has not changed all that much.

3163
02:37:10,720 --> 02:37:12,520
Speaker 10: I feel like Bertie Sands has been giving the same

3164
02:37:12,520 --> 02:37:13,640
Speaker 10: of speech his entire career.

3165
02:37:13,760 --> 02:37:15,920
Speaker 8: Sure, Yeah, and like the same stuff he was calling

3166
02:37:15,959 --> 02:37:18,080
Speaker 8: for back then, with the with the one percent and

3167
02:37:18,120 --> 02:37:20,879
Speaker 8: the billionaire class and healthcare and all these things that

3168
02:37:20,959 --> 02:37:23,680
Speaker 8: are still real issues. And in some ways, I feel

3169
02:37:23,680 --> 02:37:25,400
Speaker 8: like they were more talked about back in like, you know,

3170
02:37:25,480 --> 02:37:27,760
Speaker 8: twenty seventeen, and the fact that they aren't just talked

3171
02:37:27,760 --> 02:37:29,800
Speaker 8: about now is maybe, you know, to some degree, like

3172
02:37:29,920 --> 02:37:30,480
Speaker 8: a failing.

3173
02:37:30,720 --> 02:37:32,640
Speaker 3: But no, he gave the speech that he was expected

3174
02:37:32,680 --> 02:37:33,760
Speaker 3: to make, and.

3175
02:37:33,720 --> 02:37:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he called for an end to his words, horrific

3176
02:37:37,080 --> 02:37:40,640
Speaker 1: war in Gaza and called for a ceasefire, one of

3177
02:37:40,680 --> 02:37:43,560
Speaker 1: the few this entire week that we've we've heard actually

3178
02:37:43,560 --> 02:37:45,560
Speaker 1: say that. AC said it yesterday.

3179
02:37:45,680 --> 02:37:49,160
Speaker 8: Well and and AOC's specific line was crediting Harris for

3180
02:37:49,240 --> 02:37:52,040
Speaker 8: working around the clock to make a ceasefire deal.

3181
02:37:52,680 --> 02:37:56,120
Speaker 2: It was specifically like the phrasing that AOC used. Yeah,

3182
02:37:56,160 --> 02:37:57,800
Speaker 2: I don't buy that, super well.

3183
02:37:57,800 --> 02:38:00,320
Speaker 3: No, well, I'm not afraid to is that.

3184
02:38:00,600 --> 02:38:02,600
Speaker 8: Because I was at the protest, I had the intention

3185
02:38:02,680 --> 02:38:05,320
Speaker 8: of just watching all the speeches in my hotel afterwards,

3186
02:38:05,680 --> 02:38:08,160
Speaker 8: and I got up to my room, I turned on CNN.

3187
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:11,560
Speaker 8: They were replaying the whole night, and after Bernie's speech,

3188
02:38:11,600 --> 02:38:14,600
Speaker 8: I completely fell asleep. Well and then and then I

3189
02:38:14,640 --> 02:38:17,920
Speaker 8: woke up at eight am. CNN was still on my television.

3190
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:18,920
Speaker 10: That is so cursed.

3191
02:38:19,360 --> 02:38:21,400
Speaker 3: I turned it off and I went back to Staarson.

3192
02:38:21,480 --> 02:38:23,119
Speaker 2: You had some nightmares on spooling.

3193
02:38:24,840 --> 02:38:27,880
Speaker 8: I don't know what was being subjected to my sleeping body.

3194
02:38:28,040 --> 02:38:29,400
Speaker 2: You're never recovering from.

3195
02:38:29,200 --> 02:38:32,600
Speaker 1: This after Bernie, you know, i'd say, the only other

3196
02:38:32,640 --> 02:38:34,920
Speaker 1: person until we get to the second gentleman, Doug m

3197
02:38:34,920 --> 02:38:36,840
Speaker 1: Hoff and then the Obama's liater that I was you know,

3198
02:38:36,879 --> 02:38:38,879
Speaker 1: the governor of Illinois, Pritzker.

3199
02:38:39,000 --> 02:38:39,480
Speaker 2: Pritzker.

3200
02:38:39,720 --> 02:38:44,120
Speaker 1: He he just was very very well received, obviously by

3201
02:38:44,240 --> 02:38:44,879
Speaker 1: by the crowd.

3202
02:38:45,240 --> 02:38:48,080
Speaker 8: He's one of the democrats favorite men, one of their

3203
02:38:48,080 --> 02:38:49,119
Speaker 8: favorite boys.

3204
02:38:48,840 --> 02:38:52,359
Speaker 2: Early on, a favorite for the VP slot. Yeah, he's very.

3205
02:38:52,200 --> 02:38:54,480
Speaker 10: Good at attacking Trump and his speeches. He said Trump

3206
02:38:54,520 --> 02:38:57,240
Speaker 10: is only rich in one thing, stupidity in the crowd.

3207
02:38:57,280 --> 02:38:58,240
Speaker 2: What fair role.

3208
02:38:58,320 --> 02:39:00,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was definitely like the most like a mean

3209
02:39:00,959 --> 02:39:02,720
Speaker 8: out of many of the speech kids.

3210
02:39:03,240 --> 02:39:05,359
Speaker 1: I would say though, like last night was the roasting

3211
02:39:05,480 --> 02:39:08,400
Speaker 1: nights last year was the roasting Okay, Okay, for sure

3212
02:39:08,600 --> 02:39:10,360
Speaker 1: they did Bamba made a dick Joe.

3213
02:39:10,440 --> 02:39:12,160
Speaker 10: Oh, Bama made a dick John. We'll get to We'll

3214
02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:12,600
Speaker 10: get to that.

3215
02:39:12,920 --> 02:39:15,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, Also, just like visually, they have like those

3216
02:39:15,120 --> 02:39:17,920
Speaker 1: light up things that you have at concerts, you know

3217
02:39:18,240 --> 02:39:21,760
Speaker 1: I do. Before I get into taking this back into

3218
02:39:21,920 --> 02:39:24,240
Speaker 1: time to two thousand and eight, talk a little.

3219
02:39:24,000 --> 02:39:26,240
Speaker 8: Bit about the role call sure sure, And this is

3220
02:39:26,280 --> 02:39:29,959
Speaker 8: where they formerly like ceremonially nominate Harris and Walls to

3221
02:39:29,959 --> 02:39:32,480
Speaker 8: be the president and vice presidential nominees.

3222
02:39:32,840 --> 02:39:35,600
Speaker 1: Correct, And let's just say it was a little bit

3223
02:39:35,600 --> 02:39:39,600
Speaker 1: different than the the RNC. At the RNC, you have

3224
02:39:39,640 --> 02:39:42,959
Speaker 1: Speaker Johnson just telling the delegates that we need to

3225
02:39:43,040 --> 02:39:45,760
Speaker 1: keep order and there's a proper way to do things.

3226
02:39:46,160 --> 02:39:48,760
Speaker 1: And then you had people from each state come up

3227
02:39:48,760 --> 02:39:53,000
Speaker 1: and make speeches like this, finding liberty.

3228
02:39:53,360 --> 02:39:57,080
Speaker 14: Since sixteen seventy where the revolutionary or all was blown.

3229
02:39:57,800 --> 02:39:59,120
Speaker 2: We're in twenty sixteen.

3230
02:39:59,280 --> 02:40:03,840
Speaker 14: Donald Trump won his first primary victory ever. Lets rang

3231
02:40:03,920 --> 02:40:08,640
Speaker 14: in the trunk Carol of American history, the Great State

3232
02:40:08,720 --> 02:40:13,240
Speaker 14: of South Carolina, crown cass all of its foots for

3233
02:40:13,400 --> 02:40:14,840
Speaker 14: President Donovan K.

3234
02:40:15,360 --> 02:40:19,879
Speaker 1: Trump and on the flip side at the DNC, and

3235
02:40:19,920 --> 02:40:22,720
Speaker 1: I had several friends that were watching on TV say

3236
02:40:22,720 --> 02:40:25,040
Speaker 1: it was translating very well on TV. It was. It

3237
02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:28,520
Speaker 1: was a little bit more chaotic in person, and certain

3238
02:40:28,520 --> 02:40:30,720
Speaker 1: states didn't match the same energy.

3239
02:40:31,200 --> 02:40:33,600
Speaker 10: But each state had had a song.

3240
02:40:33,840 --> 02:40:36,039
Speaker 1: There was a whole playlist thing and that is now

3241
02:40:36,080 --> 02:40:39,480
Speaker 1: going around and the energy was of a I would

3242
02:40:39,520 --> 02:40:40,640
Speaker 1: say teen Choice.

3243
02:40:40,360 --> 02:40:42,240
Speaker 2: Awards, Tamala is Brandt.

3244
02:40:42,440 --> 02:40:47,360
Speaker 10: It was eighteen Choice Awards, vibe with Garrison. The State

3245
02:40:47,400 --> 02:40:48,920
Speaker 10: of Georgia doing this.

3246
02:40:56,080 --> 02:41:22,640
Speaker 3: The wow, So that's very cool, Sophie.

3247
02:41:22,920 --> 02:41:26,440
Speaker 10: I will say the state of Oregon did.

3248
02:41:26,320 --> 02:41:29,480
Speaker 8: Not well, No, that's because organ is allergic to fun

3249
02:41:30,320 --> 02:41:31,520
Speaker 8: Oregan in Wisconsin.

3250
02:41:31,879 --> 02:41:34,600
Speaker 10: Boy, howdy did they not bring the good vibes.

3251
02:41:34,640 --> 02:41:36,280
Speaker 8: Well, that's because all I can do in Wisconsin is drink,

3252
02:41:36,320 --> 02:41:38,040
Speaker 8: and all in organ you can do is smoke weed.

3253
02:41:38,120 --> 02:41:39,120
Speaker 2: So there you go.

3254
02:41:39,680 --> 02:41:44,920
Speaker 1: After the roll call, they cut to VP Harris and

3255
02:41:45,080 --> 02:41:48,760
Speaker 1: Governor Tim Walls streaming live from Milwaukee.

3256
02:41:48,280 --> 02:41:51,760
Speaker 8: The Pfizer Forum where we all suffered through last month.

3257
02:41:52,520 --> 02:41:55,400
Speaker 1: Yes, that was where the RNC was held last month,

3258
02:41:55,560 --> 02:41:58,560
Speaker 1: to be like, look at us, Donald.

3259
02:41:58,280 --> 02:42:00,520
Speaker 8: We're able to fill both venues at the same time.

3260
02:42:00,720 --> 02:42:04,400
Speaker 1: We are so hip and cool, and of course the

3261
02:42:04,440 --> 02:42:06,039
Speaker 1: crowd lost their minds.

3262
02:42:06,040 --> 02:42:06,680
Speaker 2: They ate it up.

3263
02:42:06,800 --> 02:42:10,120
Speaker 13: They love her, They love her so honestly pretty good.

3264
02:42:10,160 --> 02:42:14,480
Speaker 8: Burn, it's it's it's it's not a bad this was

3265
02:42:14,959 --> 02:42:17,560
Speaker 8: You're getting kind of a glimpse. Ever since, like the

3266
02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:21,960
Speaker 8: Republicans are weird stuff, they've been realizing that it's actually

3267
02:42:22,000 --> 02:42:24,480
Speaker 8: really useful to be kind of mean in politics. Yeah,

3268
02:42:24,520 --> 02:42:26,760
Speaker 8: for so long this party has been like linked to

3269
02:42:27,160 --> 02:42:29,240
Speaker 8: when they go low, we go high. You know, we're

3270
02:42:29,280 --> 02:42:32,440
Speaker 8: gonna we're gonna make a compromise. We're gonna we're gonna

3271
02:42:32,480 --> 02:42:33,800
Speaker 8: we're going to reach across the aisle.

3272
02:42:34,320 --> 02:42:38,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, last night it was not they go low,

3273
02:42:38,120 --> 02:42:38,720
Speaker 10: we go high.

3274
02:42:38,720 --> 02:42:41,280
Speaker 1: It was definitely they go low, we also go low.

3275
02:42:41,720 --> 02:42:45,480
Speaker 1: And you know that was interesting to observe because the

3276
02:42:45,480 --> 02:42:46,600
Speaker 1: crowd loved it.

3277
02:42:46,600 --> 02:42:47,560
Speaker 2: It plays very well.

3278
02:42:47,600 --> 02:42:48,520
Speaker 10: It plays very well.

3279
02:42:48,720 --> 02:42:52,600
Speaker 1: Before the Obabas, we got a speech from the second Gentleman,

3280
02:42:52,640 --> 02:42:56,080
Speaker 1: which is very fun to say, Kablo Harris's husband, Doug.

3281
02:42:57,480 --> 02:42:59,400
Speaker 10: Doug, I like that, let's.

3282
02:42:59,360 --> 02:43:00,840
Speaker 2: Keep try that. You can't not.

3283
02:43:05,879 --> 02:43:09,840
Speaker 1: But they introed him with a video from his son

3284
02:43:10,560 --> 02:43:14,840
Speaker 1: and it was very TV movie of the Week, partwarming.

3285
02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:18,600
Speaker 1: And then he came out on stage and introduced his

3286
02:43:18,680 --> 02:43:20,640
Speaker 1: dad and there was hugging lah lah Lah, and the

3287
02:43:20,680 --> 02:43:22,879
Speaker 1: crowd was allowed, as it did Ben that night, and

3288
02:43:22,959 --> 02:43:23,360
Speaker 1: I was like.

3289
02:43:23,360 --> 02:43:25,480
Speaker 10: Wow, I love families, but I was like, wow, the

3290
02:43:25,520 --> 02:43:26,520
Speaker 10: crowd is so loud.

3291
02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:29,160
Speaker 1: And then like ten minutes later, Michelle Obama came out

3292
02:43:29,160 --> 02:43:30,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, the crowd was very quiet.

3293
02:43:30,680 --> 02:43:31,440
Speaker 10: For Doug impoff.

3294
02:43:31,480 --> 02:43:36,080
Speaker 1: In comparison, she is by far the most popular Democrat

3295
02:43:36,320 --> 02:43:36,879
Speaker 1: in the world.

3296
02:43:37,040 --> 02:43:40,760
Speaker 2: There is an Obama derangement syndrome. It ignites something in

3297
02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:44,720
Speaker 2: millennials and makes them really love the Obama. They really

3298
02:43:44,800 --> 02:43:46,640
Speaker 2: love their mamas, lose their minds.

3299
02:43:47,000 --> 02:43:50,960
Speaker 1: Doug's speech primarily focused on painting a picture of his

3300
02:43:51,040 --> 02:43:55,680
Speaker 1: wife as a family, family woman and talking about how

3301
02:43:55,720 --> 02:43:57,879
Speaker 1: great she is with their with their kids. He has

3302
02:43:58,600 --> 02:44:00,960
Speaker 1: two kids from his first marriage and they call her

3303
02:44:01,000 --> 02:44:01,440
Speaker 1: Mama La.

3304
02:44:03,440 --> 02:44:06,680
Speaker 2: But she's not a real mom, you know, Robert Roberts. Look,

3305
02:44:06,720 --> 02:44:08,360
Speaker 2: I've been I've been listening to a lot of Matt.

3306
02:44:08,440 --> 02:44:11,720
Speaker 2: This is a real scandal. They're not her born children.

3307
02:44:11,879 --> 02:44:13,840
Speaker 2: You know, you can't adopt kids.

3308
02:44:14,120 --> 02:44:16,640
Speaker 8: You gotta stop listening to Matt Walsh podcasts when you're

3309
02:44:16,680 --> 02:44:17,279
Speaker 8: doing your workout.

3310
02:44:18,360 --> 02:44:20,959
Speaker 2: I do love that the right has entirely chosen the

3311
02:44:21,000 --> 02:44:23,480
Speaker 2: line of attack on Kamala to be that like she's

3312
02:44:23,520 --> 02:44:27,400
Speaker 2: a fake mom. She's a fake mom. She raised Pamala.

3313
02:44:27,920 --> 02:44:31,880
Speaker 2: You know, because we're quoting Matt Wall. Oh okay, that's

3314
02:44:31,879 --> 02:44:32,400
Speaker 2: how he says.

3315
02:44:32,400 --> 02:44:35,120
Speaker 1: It's absolutely by the way Matt Walsh was like in

3316
02:44:35,160 --> 02:44:38,400
Speaker 1: a disguise. Also, they're all in disguise walking around the

3317
02:44:38,480 --> 02:44:40,320
Speaker 1: DNC doing something that doesn't matter.

3318
02:44:40,480 --> 02:44:42,400
Speaker 8: See that Matt Wall showed up in his like what

3319
02:44:42,520 --> 02:44:46,480
Speaker 8: is a woman liberal disguise with the with the little ponytails.

3320
02:44:46,600 --> 02:44:50,680
Speaker 2: Cowardly Harry, I show up. I should have kind of it.

3321
02:44:50,760 --> 02:44:52,920
Speaker 8: Well, my disguise just being a regular black suit, which

3322
02:44:52,920 --> 02:44:55,280
Speaker 8: I also wear regularly all the time. I'm pretty sure

3323
02:44:55,320 --> 02:44:57,120
Speaker 8: Walsh was trying to get some extra clips for his

3324
02:44:57,280 --> 02:45:01,000
Speaker 8: new like how Racism Isn't a real documentary that they're

3325
02:45:01,040 --> 02:45:03,560
Speaker 8: playing ads for in theaters in front of like queer

3326
02:45:03,560 --> 02:45:06,199
Speaker 8: and trans movies, like specifically to like fuck with people.

3327
02:45:06,760 --> 02:45:09,160
Speaker 8: So I'm pretty sure they're they're here collecting some kind

3328
02:45:09,160 --> 02:45:11,160
Speaker 8: of some kind of some kind of punts for that,

3329
02:45:11,200 --> 02:45:13,320
Speaker 8: because he had a little lav mic attached to his

3330
02:45:13,720 --> 02:45:16,680
Speaker 8: attached to his lapel, so he's he's doing some kind

3331
02:45:16,680 --> 02:45:17,320
Speaker 8: of hijinks.

3332
02:45:17,400 --> 02:45:19,480
Speaker 2: But Yeah, it's interesting to me how much of the

3333
02:45:19,520 --> 02:45:24,160
Speaker 2: attacks on Kamala right now are focused on her family

3334
02:45:24,240 --> 02:45:26,960
Speaker 2: not being a real family. It strikes me as kind

3335
02:45:26,959 --> 02:45:28,800
Speaker 2: of a sign of desperation because I'm not saying it

3336
02:45:29,040 --> 02:45:31,640
Speaker 2: get any traction. It's the same as like the Tim

3337
02:45:31,680 --> 02:45:35,280
Speaker 2: Wall stuff, where it's like nothing sticking that they're trying

3338
02:45:35,360 --> 02:45:37,640
Speaker 2: right now, and I think they've just gotten so far

3339
02:45:37,680 --> 02:45:40,400
Speaker 2: into their own fever swamps that they have completely forgotten

3340
02:45:40,400 --> 02:45:43,200
Speaker 2: how to connect with a hit, which is is an

3341
02:45:43,200 --> 02:45:45,440
Speaker 2: interesting place for the Republicans to be because that's all

3342
02:45:45,480 --> 02:45:45,879
Speaker 2: they have.

3343
02:45:46,959 --> 02:45:49,279
Speaker 10: Yeah, Duck read the teleprompter.

3344
02:45:49,520 --> 02:45:52,480
Speaker 1: He it's fun being able to see the teleprompter because

3345
02:45:52,520 --> 02:45:55,800
Speaker 1: you can see where they have bolded words or underlied

3346
02:45:55,800 --> 02:45:59,360
Speaker 1: words or capitalized words, and any bold or capitalized word.

3347
02:45:59,640 --> 02:46:03,119
Speaker 10: He really went for it, and I personally thought that

3348
02:46:03,440 --> 02:46:07,440
Speaker 10: was funny to observe. But the crowd liked him, and

3349
02:46:08,280 --> 02:46:12,279
Speaker 10: I was like, wow, they really like Doug em Hoff. Wow.

3350
02:46:12,680 --> 02:46:15,959
Speaker 10: And then I was like, no, that's not who they.

3351
02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:19,320
Speaker 1: Actually like, because then Michelle Obama came out and the

3352
02:46:19,560 --> 02:46:24,040
Speaker 1: crowd standing ovations. I can't even tell you it was

3353
02:46:24,560 --> 02:46:29,119
Speaker 1: louder than like I've seen Beyonce concert, same exact amount

3354
02:46:29,120 --> 02:46:32,160
Speaker 1: of loudness, but yeah, it was just very two thousand

3355
02:46:32,160 --> 02:46:35,000
Speaker 1: and eight, very twenty twelve. Her speech was incredible.

3356
02:46:35,320 --> 02:46:36,840
Speaker 2: What did she actually talk about?

3357
02:46:37,240 --> 02:46:40,119
Speaker 10: Nothing, but it was incredible, is what I'm saying.

3358
02:46:40,320 --> 02:46:44,640
Speaker 1: She just basically talked about how important it is to

3359
02:46:44,680 --> 02:46:49,080
Speaker 1: do things without saying anything. She was able to resonate

3360
02:46:49,280 --> 02:46:51,800
Speaker 1: with every single person in the crowd. Every single person

3361
02:46:51,800 --> 02:46:54,000
Speaker 1: in the crowd was just enamored.

3362
02:46:54,280 --> 02:46:57,480
Speaker 2: What's been so many bad months in a row of

3363
02:46:57,879 --> 02:47:01,680
Speaker 2: news and just getting constantly down in every news cycle

3364
02:47:01,840 --> 02:47:05,600
Speaker 2: and war and genocide overseas, and a lot of people

3365
02:47:06,160 --> 02:47:08,480
Speaker 2: as soon as Biden stepped down, it was like a

3366
02:47:08,560 --> 02:47:12,680
Speaker 2: rubber band breaking, and everyone just went from what this

3367
02:47:12,680 --> 02:47:15,680
Speaker 2: this was supposed to not happen as a convention. There

3368
02:47:15,680 --> 02:47:18,360
Speaker 2: were serious efforts by the DNC when Biden was still

3369
02:47:18,360 --> 02:47:20,880
Speaker 2: a candidate to like, we don't even need to do

3370
02:47:20,920 --> 02:47:24,000
Speaker 2: a real convention because like, what is the benefit of

3371
02:47:24,120 --> 02:47:27,840
Speaker 2: sticking him in front of people for longer? And they

3372
02:47:27,879 --> 02:47:30,760
Speaker 2: broke a pinata full of party energy and that's that's

3373
02:47:30,760 --> 02:47:34,720
Speaker 2: what this has all been inside and honestly not a

3374
02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:37,000
Speaker 2: lot of energy outside in the streets, you know, energy

3375
02:47:37,000 --> 02:47:39,879
Speaker 2: from the people who were there. But like, I think

3376
02:47:39,920 --> 02:47:42,880
Speaker 2: there would have been much larger crowds if Biden had stayed.

3377
02:47:43,080 --> 02:47:45,280
Speaker 10: I one hundred percent agree with you.

3378
02:47:45,280 --> 02:47:49,320
Speaker 1: You know, Michelle Obama brought back, you know, one of

3379
02:47:49,360 --> 02:47:52,600
Speaker 1: the key things from two thousand and eight, Hope. She said,

3380
02:47:52,680 --> 02:47:56,240
Speaker 1: Hope is making a comeback, and the crowd lost it.

3381
02:47:56,400 --> 02:47:56,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3382
02:47:56,800 --> 02:47:58,760
Speaker 8: I think that's really part of what made last night

3383
02:47:58,840 --> 02:48:01,440
Speaker 8: have so much of that two eight energy beyond, you know,

3384
02:48:01,480 --> 02:48:03,480
Speaker 8: like all of like all of like the pop songs beyond,

3385
02:48:03,520 --> 02:48:05,879
Speaker 8: like the Obamas. It's like this this messaging of like

3386
02:48:05,920 --> 02:48:08,680
Speaker 8: there's actually there's actually like a good future to look towards,

3387
02:48:09,160 --> 02:48:10,360
Speaker 8: like Hope, you know that's.

3388
02:48:10,360 --> 02:48:12,680
Speaker 10: As long as we defeat Donald Trump.

3389
02:48:12,800 --> 02:48:14,720
Speaker 2: Sure hope is available.

3390
02:48:14,600 --> 02:48:17,039
Speaker 1: Was the main theme of the night, and then she

3391
02:48:17,120 --> 02:48:22,039
Speaker 1: introduced President Obama. He came out hammed it up, told

3392
02:48:22,080 --> 02:48:22,880
Speaker 1: his little jokes.

3393
02:48:22,920 --> 02:48:23,640
Speaker 10: He was so excited.

3394
02:48:23,800 --> 02:48:25,360
Speaker 1: You could tell he was like so excited to be

3395
02:48:25,360 --> 02:48:26,480
Speaker 1: able to tell.

3396
02:48:26,240 --> 02:48:29,000
Speaker 10: His material to that largeer crowd. He was like very

3397
02:48:29,040 --> 02:48:30,320
Speaker 10: excited to be up there.

3398
02:48:31,000 --> 02:48:34,840
Speaker 1: We got yes we can chance, then later yes she

3399
02:48:35,040 --> 02:48:39,400
Speaker 1: can chance. At one point the crowd started chanting thank

3400
02:48:39,440 --> 02:48:41,920
Speaker 1: you Joe, as they do when Joe Biden was referenced,

3401
02:48:42,000 --> 02:48:45,359
Speaker 1: and he directly said that the torch has been passed.

3402
02:48:45,720 --> 02:48:49,360
Speaker 1: There we go, and that is generally the summary of

3403
02:48:49,440 --> 02:48:54,280
Speaker 1: the night. Lib Topia, as I'm calling the DNC was

3404
02:48:54,440 --> 02:48:55,160
Speaker 1: very excited.

3405
02:48:55,760 --> 02:48:59,119
Speaker 8: Yeah, that sounds thrilling. It's really making me optimistic about

3406
02:48:59,160 --> 02:48:59,680
Speaker 8: the future.

3407
02:49:00,120 --> 02:49:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I am more optimistic of the future

3408
02:49:03,040 --> 02:49:05,640
Speaker 2: than I was. But also what I do foresee from

3409
02:49:05,680 --> 02:49:07,880
Speaker 2: this is that we are heading into a future assuming

3410
02:49:07,920 --> 02:49:11,760
Speaker 2: the dims win, especially if they win by a sizeable margin,

3411
02:49:11,920 --> 02:49:15,640
Speaker 2: where they get meaner to everyone. The thing they learned

3412
02:49:15,680 --> 02:49:18,520
Speaker 2: from Trump is you should call people names and be shit,

3413
02:49:18,520 --> 02:49:20,720
Speaker 2: and you know that'll get turned on the left because

3414
02:49:20,720 --> 02:49:24,199
Speaker 2: the left it already has, Yeah, as it already has.

3415
02:49:24,240 --> 02:49:28,200
Speaker 2: But also the left is going to continue not having

3416
02:49:28,280 --> 02:49:32,240
Speaker 2: much of an impact on the broader situation until people

3417
02:49:32,280 --> 02:49:36,440
Speaker 2: have any sort of ability to actually get folks out

3418
02:49:36,560 --> 02:49:40,000
Speaker 2: and have a clear understand like a clear plan for

3419
02:49:40,160 --> 02:49:45,400
Speaker 2: something to do that the system cannot easily easily contain

3420
02:49:45,760 --> 02:49:50,360
Speaker 2: and withstand right like little marches and demonstrations. Not only

3421
02:49:50,480 --> 02:49:53,000
Speaker 2: is the police prepared for them, but the Democratic Party,

3422
02:49:53,520 --> 02:49:57,840
Speaker 2: I think is increasingly prepared for how you isolate and

3423
02:49:58,000 --> 02:50:01,920
Speaker 2: sort of deflect a from that sort of thing, like

3424
02:50:01,959 --> 02:50:03,720
Speaker 2: a lot of what we've seen on the floor at

3425
02:50:03,720 --> 02:50:06,840
Speaker 2: the DNC with the Yeah, we'll have Bernie come up

3426
02:50:06,840 --> 02:50:08,880
Speaker 2: and he'll talk about a ceasefire. We'll have AOC have

3427
02:50:09,000 --> 02:50:11,240
Speaker 2: or ceasefire Led Joe, we'll say that the protesters have

3428
02:50:11,280 --> 02:50:13,680
Speaker 2: a point. You should listen to them. Now, you're not

3429
02:50:13,760 --> 02:50:15,879
Speaker 2: going to He's not going to draw any other attention

3430
02:50:15,959 --> 02:50:18,240
Speaker 2: if you were to come down an attack or you know,

3431
02:50:18,280 --> 02:50:22,200
Speaker 2: the protesters for you know, whatever bad piece of messaging

3432
02:50:22,280 --> 02:50:25,920
Speaker 2: or something happened outside that actually does draw some attention,

3433
02:50:26,200 --> 02:50:28,200
Speaker 2: you know, Like the DIMS have not just been smart

3434
02:50:28,400 --> 02:50:31,480
Speaker 2: in what they've signaled, but in how they've made sure

3435
02:50:31,480 --> 02:50:33,920
Speaker 2: that that really hasn't become part of the story of

3436
02:50:33,959 --> 02:50:37,720
Speaker 2: the DNC, and heading into this that was a huge

3437
02:50:37,720 --> 02:50:39,760
Speaker 2: fear a lot of people had, and a huge expectation

3438
02:50:39,879 --> 02:50:41,480
Speaker 2: a lot of people had. It was part of the

3439
02:50:41,520 --> 02:50:44,880
Speaker 2: planning that a lot of the protests that came in

3440
02:50:44,920 --> 02:50:48,560
Speaker 2: with that we are going to disrupt and damage this

3441
02:50:48,720 --> 02:50:52,000
Speaker 2: kind of coronation process in order to make it very

3442
02:50:52,040 --> 02:50:54,760
Speaker 2: clear that the Democratic Party has not made any meaningful

3443
02:50:55,040 --> 02:50:59,560
Speaker 2: movement on Gaza. And I think what we've seen here

3444
02:50:59,680 --> 02:51:02,320
Speaker 2: is the start up a replicable strategy that, unless there's

3445
02:51:02,320 --> 02:51:05,920
Speaker 2: an alteration in how people are organizing, is going to

3446
02:51:05,959 --> 02:51:09,120
Speaker 2: allow the DIMS to continue to sideline radical voices pushing

3447
02:51:09,120 --> 02:51:09,879
Speaker 2: for things that matter.

3448
02:51:10,560 --> 02:51:12,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think one trend that we're going to

3449
02:51:12,720 --> 02:51:17,960
Speaker 8: see continuing, especially if someone like Kamala wins. I'm starting

3450
02:51:18,000 --> 02:51:22,360
Speaker 8: to see a growing kind of reclamation of liberal patriotism.

3451
02:51:22,760 --> 02:51:25,840
Speaker 10: Yes, there were USA signs last.

3452
02:51:25,680 --> 02:51:28,240
Speaker 8: Night and USA chance and I think this will be

3453
02:51:28,240 --> 02:51:30,600
Speaker 8: something I'll probably talk a little bit more tomorrow or

3454
02:51:30,760 --> 02:51:34,320
Speaker 8: the next day after like Kamala's like big speech, and

3455
02:51:34,760 --> 02:51:36,520
Speaker 8: if they do win, I think this I think there

3456
02:51:36,520 --> 02:51:38,280
Speaker 8: actually is a decent bit of like two thousand and

3457
02:51:38,280 --> 02:51:41,000
Speaker 8: eight energy and like, yes, people are excited, there's the

3458
02:51:41,040 --> 02:51:44,680
Speaker 8: quote unquote vibe shift. But things didn't go great after

3459
02:51:44,720 --> 02:51:48,200
Speaker 8: Obama was elected, famously, like everything just kind of like

3460
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:51,080
Speaker 8: the hope was mostly unfounded, like a.

3461
02:51:51,040 --> 02:51:51,920
Speaker 10: Lot of war crimes.

3462
02:51:51,959 --> 02:51:54,760
Speaker 2: There's a lot of war crimes and just not that

3463
02:51:54,879 --> 02:51:59,280
Speaker 2: much good stuff. Yeah, I mean, the the ACA mattered.

3464
02:51:59,680 --> 02:52:01,800
Speaker 2: There are some things that got better after it, but

3465
02:52:01,920 --> 02:52:04,720
Speaker 2: the whole fight to get there was so dispiriting, and

3466
02:52:04,760 --> 02:52:08,400
Speaker 2: I think that that kind of broke Obama the actual

3467
02:52:08,640 --> 02:52:12,960
Speaker 2: like interested in pushing radical change, and then the Republicans

3468
02:52:13,080 --> 02:52:17,040
Speaker 2: absolutely swept midterms to such a catastrophic extent, and I'd

3469
02:52:17,040 --> 02:52:20,080
Speaker 2: foresee Kamala getting stuck in the same thing that Obama

3470
02:52:20,160 --> 02:52:22,480
Speaker 2: did in terms of like it is actually very hard

3471
02:52:22,920 --> 02:52:26,600
Speaker 2: to make any substantive progress that helps people. I don't

3472
02:52:26,640 --> 02:52:28,160
Speaker 2: know that she's going to have to deal with a

3473
02:52:28,200 --> 02:52:31,240
Speaker 2: Republican party that is capable of doing what the Republicans

3474
02:52:31,280 --> 02:52:33,800
Speaker 2: did during like the Tea Party menters. That's just that's

3475
02:52:33,800 --> 02:52:36,640
Speaker 2: a very different Republican party and the one that exists now,

3476
02:52:36,720 --> 02:52:39,240
Speaker 2: the one that exists now has been lobotomized by Trump,

3477
02:52:39,920 --> 02:52:42,480
Speaker 2: and well he's going if he's alive, He's going to

3478
02:52:42,520 --> 02:52:45,040
Speaker 2: run in twenty twenty eight. Yeah.

3479
02:52:45,120 --> 02:52:47,879
Speaker 8: But this this kind of this growing reclamation of the

3480
02:52:47,959 --> 02:52:50,240
Speaker 8: patriotism we've already seen it with how like you know,

3481
02:52:50,520 --> 02:52:52,800
Speaker 8: the NFL is gone woke, all these things that have

3482
02:52:52,879 --> 02:52:55,960
Speaker 8: kind of been more affiliated with like you know, conservatism

3483
02:52:56,080 --> 02:52:59,480
Speaker 8: or like you know, like traditional Americana is slowly getting

3484
02:52:59,600 --> 02:53:03,240
Speaker 8: swept up more with like the liberal majority, and you know,

3485
02:53:03,400 --> 02:53:04,960
Speaker 8: those types of things that have kind of been gate

3486
02:53:05,000 --> 02:53:07,240
Speaker 8: kept from liberals for a while, especially especially that kind

3487
02:53:07,240 --> 02:53:10,800
Speaker 8: of style of patriotism. And this isn't this isn't necessarily

3488
02:53:10,840 --> 02:53:13,040
Speaker 8: a good thing. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just

3489
02:53:13,040 --> 02:53:14,200
Speaker 8: saying that this is going to be a trend that

3490
02:53:14,200 --> 02:53:16,000
Speaker 8: I think is going to be increasing, and it will

3491
02:53:16,040 --> 02:53:18,520
Speaker 8: also lead to, I think a bit more open hostility

3492
02:53:19,080 --> 02:53:22,120
Speaker 8: from liberals towards people that are more progressive, towards people

3493
02:53:22,160 --> 02:53:25,280
Speaker 8: more on the left, especially protesters, especially protesters who are

3494
02:53:25,280 --> 02:53:28,520
Speaker 8: not just doing protests that are big parades and marches.

3495
02:53:29,040 --> 02:53:30,920
Speaker 8: And we've already seen that here with a decent bit

3496
02:53:30,920 --> 02:53:35,120
Speaker 8: of conflict between you know, more radical attendees and the

3497
02:53:35,120 --> 02:53:37,840
Speaker 8: big coalitions with their safety teams. We were seeing a

3498
02:53:37,879 --> 02:53:40,199
Speaker 8: lot of fighting over you know, who is more justified,

3499
02:53:40,200 --> 02:53:42,320
Speaker 8: what's more valid? What should you be allowed to do

3500
02:53:42,360 --> 02:53:44,400
Speaker 8: at a protest like this? And those debates are going

3501
02:53:44,440 --> 02:53:46,959
Speaker 8: to continue. I think we're seeing more pressure on that front,

3502
02:53:47,040 --> 02:53:49,520
Speaker 8: even from liberals as well. And that's kind of the

3503
02:53:49,520 --> 02:53:51,720
Speaker 8: big the big trends that I'm seeing right now as

3504
02:53:51,760 --> 02:53:53,560
Speaker 8: we're about like halfway through the DNC.

3505
02:53:53,879 --> 02:53:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm going to finally go to the DNC tonight,

3506
02:53:57,360 --> 02:53:58,199
Speaker 2: so that'll be fun.

3507
02:53:58,360 --> 02:53:59,240
Speaker 10: I'll show you around.

3508
02:53:59,440 --> 02:54:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can show me around. We're gonna meet Daddy Walls.

3509
02:54:02,840 --> 02:54:08,520
Speaker 2: I'll take my anti PTSD meds, all overdose on those meds.

3510
02:54:08,720 --> 02:54:10,720
Speaker 2: You can take me to the hospital. It's gonna be

3511
02:54:10,720 --> 02:54:11,560
Speaker 2: a nice night, Sophie.

3512
02:54:11,879 --> 02:54:14,080
Speaker 10: The good news is there's two more days of this.

3513
02:54:15,040 --> 02:54:16,960
Speaker 2: All right, last news I've heard in a while.

3514
02:54:17,520 --> 02:54:18,600
Speaker 3: I'm turning off this record.

3515
02:54:18,640 --> 02:54:20,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to go leap out of the window. Yeah

3516
02:54:20,320 --> 02:54:21,240
Speaker 2: all right, bye bye.

3517
02:54:21,040 --> 02:54:46,640
Speaker 15: Bye, welcome back to it could happen here a podcast

3518
02:54:47,120 --> 02:54:51,160
Speaker 15: being recorded in Garrison's hotel room, which is thirty percent

3519
02:54:51,280 --> 02:54:53,680
Speaker 15: the shopping bags that they got from.

3520
02:54:55,120 --> 02:54:56,080
Speaker 2: The Nazi clothing.

3521
02:54:56,080 --> 02:54:57,160
Speaker 3: No, you can't say that.

3522
02:54:57,280 --> 02:54:58,520
Speaker 10: You cannot say that.

3523
02:54:58,760 --> 02:55:01,360
Speaker 2: Well, look, they don't they used to be the Nazi

3524
02:55:01,360 --> 02:55:04,080
Speaker 2: clothing store. Now they just make suits right right.

3525
02:55:03,959 --> 02:55:05,640
Speaker 10: Buddy, why are you trying to cancel?

3526
02:55:05,720 --> 02:55:08,440
Speaker 2: It's a nice blazer. That white blazer you had on

3527
02:55:08,520 --> 02:55:10,879
Speaker 2: last night looks good. It's a good blazer. It's it's

3528
02:55:10,879 --> 02:55:13,760
Speaker 2: a good look. He's a good lace. Anyway, we're back,

3529
02:55:13,840 --> 02:55:16,920
Speaker 2: We're still in Chicago. We are all just exhausted.

3530
02:55:17,320 --> 02:55:18,440
Speaker 10: I feel like death.

3531
02:55:18,840 --> 02:55:23,760
Speaker 2: I am missing the unhurried, relaxed pace of war zone journalism,

3532
02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:26,840
Speaker 2: full nights of sleep, long rides and humvies.

3533
02:55:27,080 --> 02:55:31,680
Speaker 8: Even the RNC felt a little bit more male.

3534
02:55:32,080 --> 02:55:33,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'll tell you what it is.

3535
02:55:34,360 --> 02:55:38,880
Speaker 1: They were so unbelievably scheduled at the RNC, where like

3536
02:55:39,000 --> 02:55:43,160
Speaker 1: you knew nobody was going to be speaking past ten pm.

3537
02:55:43,320 --> 02:55:44,840
Speaker 10: It was done by ten pm.

3538
02:55:45,040 --> 02:55:48,640
Speaker 1: We were safely back in our very very bad hotel.

3539
02:55:48,959 --> 02:55:52,360
Speaker 2: And the actual physical setup of the event was more.

3540
02:55:52,600 --> 02:55:54,640
Speaker 2: For one thing, it's smaller. There's more people here, so

3541
02:55:54,680 --> 02:55:58,000
Speaker 2: that makes but it was also kind of I think,

3542
02:55:58,040 --> 02:56:00,120
Speaker 2: better laid out for walking and stuff.

3543
02:56:00,160 --> 02:56:02,160
Speaker 10: I agree, everything is very spread out here.

3544
02:56:02,200 --> 02:56:05,000
Speaker 2: The entrances here to it especially take a lot longer

3545
02:56:05,000 --> 02:56:07,360
Speaker 2: to get into. Now. I think that some of that's

3546
02:56:07,480 --> 02:56:09,640
Speaker 2: not even on the DNC. It's just the fact that

3547
02:56:09,680 --> 02:56:12,800
Speaker 2: the DNC has the president and vice president at it,

3548
02:56:12,920 --> 02:56:16,240
Speaker 2: and so it's going to have more security. But yeah,

3549
02:56:16,280 --> 02:56:18,480
Speaker 2: it is just fucking exhausting. And I guess probably the

3550
02:56:18,480 --> 02:56:20,840
Speaker 2: main reason why Garrison and I are so tired is

3551
02:56:21,240 --> 02:56:24,080
Speaker 2: every day has been many thousands of steps of walking

3552
02:56:24,160 --> 02:56:27,640
Speaker 2: around Chicago with different protests. So we'll be talking about

3553
02:56:27,680 --> 02:56:29,840
Speaker 2: all of that. But we wanted to get into the

3554
02:56:29,879 --> 02:56:33,080
Speaker 2: episode by kind of doing some horse race stuff, like

3555
02:56:33,120 --> 02:56:36,600
Speaker 2: actually talking about what are we seeing and polling what

3556
02:56:36,640 --> 02:56:39,039
Speaker 2: are we seeing in like viewership numbers. So Sophie wanted

3557
02:56:39,080 --> 02:56:43,400
Speaker 2: to start with one of our favorite topics, the popularity

3558
02:56:44,040 --> 02:56:46,600
Speaker 2: of the various vice presidential candidates.

3559
02:56:46,720 --> 02:56:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you know, national polls find that, like

3560
02:56:50,640 --> 02:56:55,320
Speaker 1: still that both vice presidential nominees are pretty much fighting

3561
02:56:55,320 --> 02:56:59,280
Speaker 1: to make themselves known to the US voters. But as

3562
02:56:59,280 --> 02:57:02,480
Speaker 1: of this week, and this is before Walls's speech last night,

3563
02:57:02,600 --> 02:57:05,880
Speaker 1: so they haven't come back with a poll just yet

3564
02:57:05,920 --> 02:57:08,520
Speaker 1: on that part of this week, Walls is viewed more

3565
02:57:08,520 --> 02:57:11,400
Speaker 1: favorably than Advanced, with twenty seven percent of US adults

3566
02:57:11,400 --> 02:57:15,920
Speaker 1: saying Vance is favorable. Forty four percent find him unfavorable.

3567
02:57:16,320 --> 02:57:19,240
Speaker 1: Compared to thirty six percent who think Walls is favorable

3568
02:57:19,280 --> 02:57:22,800
Speaker 1: and twenty five percent who find him unfavorable. And interesting

3569
02:57:22,840 --> 02:57:25,920
Speaker 1: to note, more Democrats are supportive of Walls sixty two

3570
02:57:25,959 --> 02:57:30,520
Speaker 1: percent than Republicans of Vance fifty seven percent, which is.

3571
02:57:30,520 --> 02:57:33,760
Speaker 2: Wild, but also very consistent with what we saw at

3572
02:57:33,760 --> 02:57:37,920
Speaker 2: the RNC, where Like at the Heritage Foundation event, which

3573
02:57:38,680 --> 02:57:41,560
Speaker 2: Vance is supposed to be their man, no one would

3574
02:57:41,600 --> 02:57:43,520
Speaker 2: say a nice thing at him. Like at the Heritage

3575
02:57:43,520 --> 02:57:46,560
Speaker 2: Foundation event, I could not hear a good word about JD.

3576
02:57:46,680 --> 02:57:50,119
Speaker 2: Vance the night of his speech, Whereas the sheer number

3577
02:57:50,120 --> 02:57:53,480
Speaker 2: of dims that I've seen with Coach Walls signs last night,

3578
02:57:53,520 --> 02:57:56,720
Speaker 2: including people like walking up to and interacting with folks

3579
02:57:56,720 --> 02:57:59,960
Speaker 2: at the uncommitted demonstration in front of the Convention Center,

3580
02:58:00,440 --> 02:58:03,400
Speaker 2: was like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds, Like, I haven't

3581
02:58:03,440 --> 02:58:04,240
Speaker 2: seen any JD.

3582
02:58:04,320 --> 02:58:08,800
Speaker 1: Vans people genuinely liked Tim Walls versus I don't think

3583
02:58:08,800 --> 02:58:13,080
Speaker 1: I heard a single person at the RNC give any

3584
02:58:13,160 --> 02:58:18,640
Speaker 1: inclination that they deeply liked JD. Vans, Particularly when he

3585
02:58:18,720 --> 02:58:22,359
Speaker 1: was speaking, people were very much asleep.

3586
02:58:22,200 --> 02:58:22,680
Speaker 3: Very bored.

3587
02:58:23,120 --> 02:58:26,039
Speaker 2: It's I mean, it's reinforced that so far outside of

3588
02:58:26,040 --> 02:58:29,440
Speaker 2: Biden's stepping down. Picking walls is the best decision I've

3589
02:58:29,440 --> 02:58:30,640
Speaker 2: seen the DIMS make this year.

3590
02:58:31,040 --> 02:58:33,480
Speaker 10: He got a great reaction from the crowd last night.

3591
02:58:33,800 --> 02:58:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I wanted to talk a little bit about

3592
02:58:36,240 --> 02:58:38,680
Speaker 2: kind of what we're seeing and polling. At least according

3593
02:58:38,720 --> 02:58:42,480
Speaker 2: to Nate Silver's analysis, there's a tiny tick down between

3594
02:58:42,520 --> 02:58:46,280
Speaker 2: Tuesday and Wednesday and commalist chances Visa v. Trump just

3595
02:58:46,320 --> 02:58:48,920
Speaker 2: based on some poles that had come out. All of

3596
02:58:48,959 --> 02:58:51,440
Speaker 2: that's kind of it's you can't really tell if there's

3597
02:58:51,480 --> 02:58:54,080
Speaker 2: going to be a convention bump until after the convention,

3598
02:58:54,280 --> 02:58:56,800
Speaker 2: so one way or the other, I wouldn't read too

3599
02:58:56,879 --> 02:58:59,640
Speaker 2: much into that. What is kind of worth reading into

3600
02:58:59,879 --> 02:59:05,640
Speaker 2: is is the comparative popularity of the DNC televised speeches

3601
02:59:05,680 --> 02:59:09,480
Speaker 2: with the RNC, And so far from Monday through Wednesday,

3602
02:59:09,600 --> 02:59:13,440
Speaker 2: the DNC is ahead, and on Tuesday in particular, they

3603
02:59:13,440 --> 02:59:16,880
Speaker 2: were well ahead with Barack Obama and Michelle both speaking.

3604
02:59:17,400 --> 02:59:21,440
Speaker 2: That got something like five million more viewers than the

3605
02:59:21,480 --> 02:59:25,320
Speaker 2: comparative night at the RNC, which is a really significant

3606
02:59:25,480 --> 02:59:28,840
Speaker 2: and all of these is obviously beating twenty twenty. It's

3607
02:59:28,920 --> 02:59:32,680
Speaker 2: kind of unclear the biggest night for the RNC was Thursday,

3608
02:59:33,720 --> 02:59:36,400
Speaker 2: So we'll see if Kamala can crack the twenty eight

3609
02:59:36,480 --> 02:59:39,240
Speaker 2: or twenty nine million viewers that Trump got the height

3610
02:59:39,320 --> 02:59:43,480
Speaker 2: of his event, but so far a sizeable like maybe

3611
02:59:43,560 --> 02:59:46,480
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty percent edge for the DIMS in terms

3612
02:59:46,520 --> 02:59:48,959
Speaker 2: of viewership. And obviously you have to keep in mind

3613
02:59:48,959 --> 02:59:52,520
Speaker 2: that like half of the people listening to any convention

3614
02:59:52,600 --> 02:59:55,199
Speaker 2: are not necessarily supporters of that cannonet. They're just people

3615
02:59:55,200 --> 02:59:59,120
Speaker 2: who want to be informed. But it furthers the narrative

3616
02:59:59,160 --> 03:00:02,840
Speaker 2: that there is a lot of energy behind the DIMS

3617
03:00:02,920 --> 03:00:05,200
Speaker 2: right now, that kind of like vibe thing that people

3618
03:00:05,200 --> 03:00:05,640
Speaker 2: have been.

3619
03:00:05,480 --> 03:00:09,800
Speaker 1: Talking about and speaking of vibes, speaking of vibes, Boy howdy.

3620
03:00:10,280 --> 03:00:12,959
Speaker 2: We wanted to end this segment before we get into

3621
03:00:13,320 --> 03:00:17,400
Speaker 2: the pro Palestine protests and the uncommitted sit in that's

3622
03:00:17,400 --> 03:00:21,039
Speaker 2: still going on at the convention center by talking just

3623
03:00:21,080 --> 03:00:23,400
Speaker 2: one more time about jd Vance, who, while all of

3624
03:00:23,400 --> 03:00:26,960
Speaker 2: this is going on, yesterday, as Tim Wallas was preparing

3625
03:00:27,000 --> 03:00:31,160
Speaker 2: his speech at the DNC, jd Vance visited a donut shop,

3626
03:00:31,480 --> 03:00:33,320
Speaker 2: and we're just going to play you audio of him

3627
03:00:33,320 --> 03:00:36,840
Speaker 2: talking to employees at the donut shop trying to trying

3628
03:00:36,879 --> 03:00:39,480
Speaker 2: to get a photo opportunity or a good video clip.

3629
03:00:40,560 --> 03:00:42,240
Speaker 2: The zoom has come to tell thank you for let

3630
03:00:42,360 --> 03:00:42,879
Speaker 2: us coming here.

3631
03:00:43,640 --> 03:00:51,080
Speaker 8: Okay, well sorry, okay, yeah, she doesn't want to be

3632
03:00:51,160 --> 03:00:52,960
Speaker 8: on film, guys, so just cut her out of anything.

3633
03:00:53,320 --> 03:00:56,840
Speaker 4: Appreciate that man of Jade Dance American vice President.

3634
03:00:56,879 --> 03:00:57,320
Speaker 13: They see it.

3635
03:00:57,520 --> 03:01:02,840
Speaker 12: Okay, I'm years the game answer man.

3636
03:01:03,000 --> 03:01:07,760
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, good, how about you, sir?

3637
03:01:08,440 --> 03:01:09,600
Speaker 3: And then almost two.

3638
03:01:09,560 --> 03:01:11,720
Speaker 8: Years okay, good, helps to everything.

3639
03:01:11,760 --> 03:01:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of glaze to here, some sprinkle stuff,

3640
03:01:15,040 --> 03:01:17,920
Speaker 2: somebody sending the roles. Just my experience as play for

3641
03:01:18,000 --> 03:01:21,320
Speaker 2: a round four years, about four years.

3642
03:01:21,520 --> 03:01:23,480
Speaker 3: Okay, how have you been here?

3643
03:01:24,160 --> 03:01:25,280
Speaker 2: Okay?

3644
03:01:25,400 --> 03:01:25,920
Speaker 4: Good?

3645
03:01:26,400 --> 03:01:30,560
Speaker 1: Quite literally nobody has ever been worse at interacting them beings?

3646
03:01:31,080 --> 03:01:33,600
Speaker 10: What is wrong with good?

3647
03:01:33,760 --> 03:01:36,199
Speaker 2: Okay, good? Good? Yeah.

3648
03:01:36,200 --> 03:01:37,440
Speaker 3: That was by the way in Georgia.

3649
03:01:37,520 --> 03:01:39,480
Speaker 2: Oh Georgia, great, great. I'm JD.

3650
03:01:39,640 --> 03:01:41,560
Speaker 10: Vance. I'm running for vice president.

3651
03:01:41,680 --> 03:01:45,480
Speaker 2: Okay, okay. If I wanted to win Georgia, that was Trump. JD.

3652
03:01:45,600 --> 03:01:47,959
Speaker 8: Fance is the last man I would send to the

3653
03:01:48,000 --> 03:01:48,880
Speaker 8: state of Georgia.

3654
03:01:50,160 --> 03:01:52,680
Speaker 10: I'm JD Vance. Oh God, but I'm JD Vance.

3655
03:01:52,840 --> 03:01:54,440
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right.

3656
03:01:56,200 --> 03:01:59,480
Speaker 10: It was like that SNL Pete Davidson skit where he

3657
03:01:59,560 --> 03:01:59,840
Speaker 10: just goes.

3658
03:02:01,200 --> 03:02:03,120
Speaker 2: He just orders a random assortment of dome.

3659
03:02:03,280 --> 03:02:05,240
Speaker 10: That's how everyone should react to JD.

3660
03:02:05,320 --> 03:02:09,280
Speaker 2: Vance. Okay, Like if he loses, that's going to be

3661
03:02:09,320 --> 03:02:11,640
Speaker 2: the rest of his life. Is him showing up places

3662
03:02:11,640 --> 03:02:18,039
Speaker 2: going I'm JD Vance and people going, all right.

3663
03:02:16,360 --> 03:02:20,360
Speaker 8: Please stay away from my Childrenyody, you're about to tell

3664
03:02:20,400 --> 03:02:22,680
Speaker 8: me that you can't be within one hundred meters.

3665
03:02:22,440 --> 03:02:26,640
Speaker 2: Of a school. Yeah, seriously, sow that beard looks anyway. Ads,

3666
03:02:26,879 --> 03:02:41,560
Speaker 2: here's some ads. We're back and yeah. So the protests

3667
03:02:41,560 --> 03:02:44,720
Speaker 2: have continued. Garrison and I nearly got arrested during a

3668
03:02:44,800 --> 03:02:48,000
Speaker 2: kettle that wound up being about sixty It looked like

3669
03:02:48,040 --> 03:02:50,640
Speaker 2: people who were both sighted and arrested. Most of those

3670
03:02:50,640 --> 03:02:53,360
Speaker 2: people cited and released on the scene. A couple about

3671
03:02:53,360 --> 03:02:56,280
Speaker 2: two dozen or so actually arrested, including four members of

3672
03:02:56,320 --> 03:03:02,039
Speaker 2: the press. Pretty nasty scene. Yesterday was very different. There

3673
03:03:02,120 --> 03:03:06,240
Speaker 2: was a protest march that moved up to the gates

3674
03:03:06,280 --> 03:03:09,160
Speaker 2: of the convention and then marched back. There were a

3675
03:03:09,200 --> 03:03:11,360
Speaker 2: couple of moments where like police would grab people that

3676
03:03:11,400 --> 03:03:15,000
Speaker 2: happened at the train station and detain them, but ultimately

3677
03:03:15,120 --> 03:03:18,800
Speaker 2: did not significant numbers of arrests, at least from what

3678
03:03:18,879 --> 03:03:21,720
Speaker 2: I saw, and from talking to people, it did sound

3679
03:03:21,760 --> 03:03:24,879
Speaker 2: like they were mostly kind of detaining and releasing. We

3680
03:03:24,920 --> 03:03:27,320
Speaker 2: had not intended to do more protests last night, just

3681
03:03:27,360 --> 03:03:29,959
Speaker 2: because the first two nights were supposed to be the largest,

3682
03:03:30,000 --> 03:03:33,199
Speaker 2: and I had not even been to the DNC until

3683
03:03:33,280 --> 03:03:35,800
Speaker 2: last afternoon actually passed the gate, so we all went

3684
03:03:35,840 --> 03:03:38,959
Speaker 2: in together. We watched a couple of speeches. Thank god,

3685
03:03:39,040 --> 03:03:41,400
Speaker 2: I got to catch the Bill Clinton speech. Oh my god,

3686
03:03:41,480 --> 03:03:42,640
Speaker 2: I don't wanted to miss that.

3687
03:03:42,760 --> 03:03:45,720
Speaker 1: Barn Berners' affiliate Bill Clinton.

3688
03:03:45,920 --> 03:03:48,720
Speaker 2: Oh wow, So he sounded almost closer to death than

3689
03:03:48,760 --> 03:03:51,160
Speaker 2: Joe Biden. Yeah, which was just shocked. Bisen sounds a

3690
03:03:51,200 --> 03:03:52,520
Speaker 2: lot better now. Yeah.

3691
03:03:52,560 --> 03:03:55,760
Speaker 1: He also spoke very early on in the night, and

3692
03:03:55,800 --> 03:03:57,959
Speaker 1: his speech was so long.

3693
03:03:58,040 --> 03:04:00,520
Speaker 2: It wasn't great, and it was bad. It was I

3694
03:04:00,560 --> 03:04:01,840
Speaker 2: don't know why speech.

3695
03:04:02,000 --> 03:04:03,880
Speaker 10: Don't speak for that long if your speech is bad.

3696
03:04:03,959 --> 03:04:06,080
Speaker 10: But also just like, don't invite him in the first place.

3697
03:04:06,879 --> 03:04:11,039
Speaker 2: It's because, probably because of the sheet amount of clout

3698
03:04:11,120 --> 03:04:13,320
Speaker 2: that the Clintons have within the Democratic Party still to

3699
03:04:13,360 --> 03:04:17,280
Speaker 2: this day, because if you don't have Bill there, well,

3700
03:04:17,280 --> 03:04:19,920
Speaker 2: they also they wanted Hillary, and Hillary did get a

3701
03:04:19,959 --> 03:04:24,520
Speaker 2: big reaction, and I'm sure Hillary dislikes Bill Clinton as

3702
03:04:24,560 --> 03:04:27,560
Speaker 2: much as anyone. Sure, but for a variety of complicated

3703
03:04:27,600 --> 03:04:31,320
Speaker 2: and stupid reasons, you can't both have Hillary Clinton and

3704
03:04:31,760 --> 03:04:35,400
Speaker 2: exclude Bill and repeatedly attack Trump for his Epstein connections.

3705
03:04:35,480 --> 03:04:37,959
Speaker 2: It just doesn't work very well, which is why they

3706
03:04:38,000 --> 03:04:41,560
Speaker 2: shouldn't have had any Clinton's there and hit on Trump

3707
03:04:41,600 --> 03:04:44,000
Speaker 2: for being a pedophile. But yes, I don't know.

3708
03:04:44,280 --> 03:04:48,240
Speaker 1: He spoke for so long I can't it set me

3709
03:04:48,320 --> 03:04:49,160
Speaker 1: over the edge.

3710
03:04:49,360 --> 03:04:51,320
Speaker 2: It was fine. It was not like you're just kind

3711
03:04:51,320 --> 03:04:55,720
Speaker 2: of boring, Thankfully, more important things happened, if not inside

3712
03:04:55,760 --> 03:04:59,160
Speaker 2: the DNC, just just outside, yes, the actual United Center

3713
03:04:59,240 --> 03:05:01,800
Speaker 2: like stadium, still inside the security perimeter. So while we

3714
03:05:01,800 --> 03:05:05,480
Speaker 2: were watching Mindy Kaling talk about how she should be

3715
03:05:05,520 --> 03:05:08,080
Speaker 2: the ambassador to Italy, which I know was a bit

3716
03:05:08,160 --> 03:05:11,440
Speaker 2: but I was just not in the mood. Now we

3717
03:05:11,480 --> 03:05:15,040
Speaker 2: start I start getting like updates from there's a journalist

3718
03:05:15,040 --> 03:05:18,800
Speaker 2: on the ground, Prem Thacker, who was outside with some

3719
03:05:18,920 --> 03:05:23,119
Speaker 2: representatives of the uncommitted movement. So the uncommitted movement started

3720
03:05:23,200 --> 03:05:26,200
Speaker 2: as Democrats who were voting uncommitted in the primaries in

3721
03:05:26,280 --> 03:05:28,600
Speaker 2: order to make a point about, you know, the fact

3722
03:05:28,640 --> 03:05:33,080
Speaker 2: that there is significant solidarity among the Democratic voters with

3723
03:05:33,240 --> 03:05:37,200
Speaker 2: Gaza and that if Democrats do not do something more

3724
03:05:37,240 --> 03:05:39,920
Speaker 2: than the thoughts in prayers, they won't get those votes.

3725
03:05:40,440 --> 03:05:44,480
Speaker 2: And particularly Chicago massive Palestinian population, it could be something

3726
03:05:44,520 --> 03:05:47,160
Speaker 2: that you know matters in some of the swing states.

3727
03:05:47,720 --> 03:05:51,160
Speaker 2: So the uncommitted movement has kind of coalesced over the

3728
03:05:51,200 --> 03:05:55,880
Speaker 2: last couple of months into a group of delegates who

3729
03:05:56,000 --> 03:05:59,080
Speaker 2: are again we're not talking about like the folks marching outside.

3730
03:05:59,080 --> 03:06:01,240
Speaker 2: These are not people who are just like committed radicals.

3731
03:06:01,280 --> 03:06:04,360
Speaker 2: Are're certainly not communists. I heard a number of folks

3732
03:06:04,400 --> 03:06:07,039
Speaker 2: who engaged with people from the DNC who were and again,

3733
03:06:07,080 --> 03:06:11,680
Speaker 2: these are members of the uncommitted movement wearing like Palestinian scarves,

3734
03:06:12,040 --> 03:06:14,560
Speaker 2: who specifically like would say I think Israel has a

3735
03:06:14,640 --> 03:06:15,680
Speaker 2: right to defend itself.

3736
03:06:15,840 --> 03:06:18,080
Speaker 10: Describe these folks as moderate Democrats.

3737
03:06:19,040 --> 03:06:21,959
Speaker 2: It's a mix of moderate, moderate and like radical Democrat,

3738
03:06:22,000 --> 03:06:26,040
Speaker 2: but Democrats right progressive, progressive. And the point I'm making

3739
03:06:26,080 --> 03:06:27,800
Speaker 2: about like I heard a couple of them say no,

3740
03:06:27,840 --> 03:06:29,920
Speaker 2: I think Israel has a right to defend itself is

3741
03:06:29,959 --> 03:06:33,240
Speaker 2: not that I think that's a particularly valid thing to mention,

3742
03:06:33,400 --> 03:06:36,280
Speaker 2: but that it shows you the level of rhetoric which

3743
03:06:36,400 --> 03:06:40,520
Speaker 2: they were taking pains to be speaking within the bounds

3744
03:06:40,520 --> 03:06:46,880
Speaker 2: of extremely acceptable Democratic Party rhetoric. Right, we are loyal Democrats.

3745
03:06:47,000 --> 03:06:49,480
Speaker 2: We were very excited. I listened to a couple of

3746
03:06:49,520 --> 03:06:53,520
Speaker 2: representatives of the movement give speeches. One of them was

3747
03:06:53,800 --> 03:06:56,760
Speaker 2: Delegate June Rose, which in my initial threat I think

3748
03:06:56,760 --> 03:06:58,960
Speaker 2: I went with he him, but I believe their pronouns

3749
03:06:58,959 --> 03:07:02,680
Speaker 2: are they them? And Rose basically mentioned this is a

3750
03:07:02,760 --> 03:07:05,000
Speaker 2: quote from them. When President Biden was the nominee, I

3751
03:07:05,040 --> 03:07:07,480
Speaker 2: felt hopeless. And this is both because Biden was providing

3752
03:07:07,520 --> 03:07:10,240
Speaker 2: Israel with bombs and because he could not win. This

3753
03:07:10,280 --> 03:07:12,800
Speaker 2: is a quote from them. When Harris was chosen, I

3754
03:07:12,840 --> 03:07:16,080
Speaker 2: heard empathy in her voice for Palestinian suffering. But then

3755
03:07:16,160 --> 03:07:20,320
Speaker 2: June says they remembered what Democrats give Republicans shit for saying,

3756
03:07:20,440 --> 03:07:23,280
Speaker 2: you know, thoughts and prayers after mass shootings, And I

3757
03:07:23,280 --> 03:07:26,200
Speaker 2: thought that was a valid point to make. Right a

3758
03:07:26,240 --> 03:07:29,280
Speaker 2: month ago, the fact that dimm's had really changed their

3759
03:07:29,280 --> 03:07:32,880
Speaker 2: messaging on Gaza sounded like it could be the start

3760
03:07:32,920 --> 03:07:35,280
Speaker 2: of something promising, but it hasn't led to any kind

3761
03:07:35,280 --> 03:07:38,840
Speaker 2: of like strong commitment for actually anything actionable. Right, just

3762
03:07:38,879 --> 03:07:42,280
Speaker 2: saying I support a ceasefire isn't enough when people are

3763
03:07:42,280 --> 03:07:45,920
Speaker 2: getting killed. It's not like an actual commitment to, for example,

3764
03:07:45,959 --> 03:07:49,760
Speaker 2: stop sending Israel arms now. To be totally fair, I

3765
03:07:49,800 --> 03:07:52,960
Speaker 2: don't want to be flattening this too much. There have

3766
03:07:53,120 --> 03:07:59,400
Speaker 2: been some significant concessions from the DNC to Palestinian solidarity movement, right,

3767
03:08:00,120 --> 03:08:03,240
Speaker 2: not just a number of mentions and embraces of ceasefires

3768
03:08:03,240 --> 03:08:06,880
Speaker 2: from multiple speakers that got massive lines of applause. But Sophie,

3769
03:08:06,920 --> 03:08:08,760
Speaker 2: you went to the panel that the DNC put on

3770
03:08:09,120 --> 03:08:11,760
Speaker 2: with doctors who had just been working in Gaza, and

3771
03:08:11,840 --> 03:08:13,200
Speaker 2: that particularly.

3772
03:08:12,800 --> 03:08:14,879
Speaker 10: It was a verse of its kind panel.

3773
03:08:14,560 --> 03:08:18,960
Speaker 2: And that I would say more than people advocating a ceasefire,

3774
03:08:18,959 --> 03:08:21,200
Speaker 2: and their speech is that's not nothing right like that,

3775
03:08:21,240 --> 03:08:22,320
Speaker 2: that's an actual no.

3776
03:08:22,680 --> 03:08:26,760
Speaker 1: And Robert June also posted that over two hundred and

3777
03:08:26,800 --> 03:08:31,240
Speaker 1: eighty Harris delegates have signed their letter demanding a permanent

3778
03:08:31,320 --> 03:08:35,240
Speaker 1: ceasefire in arms embargo and says not another bomb, which

3779
03:08:35,240 --> 03:08:36,680
Speaker 1: is which was one of the signs that they had

3780
03:08:36,760 --> 03:08:39,760
Speaker 1: last night. So that two hundred, over two hundred eighty

3781
03:08:39,760 --> 03:08:42,840
Speaker 1: Harris delegates, that is not insignificant.

3782
03:08:42,400 --> 03:08:45,280
Speaker 2: No, that's a and those people you know come here

3783
03:08:45,320 --> 03:08:49,359
Speaker 2: representing you know, a large significantly larger number of voters.

3784
03:08:49,560 --> 03:08:53,920
Speaker 2: So what had happened outside of the United Center is uncommitted.

3785
03:08:54,160 --> 03:08:56,680
Speaker 2: Led by the co founder of the organization, A Boss

3786
03:08:56,720 --> 03:09:00,000
Speaker 2: all Away, we're essentially engaging in a sit in, although

3787
03:09:00,080 --> 03:09:02,360
Speaker 2: A Boss was very open about like, I don't want

3788
03:09:02,360 --> 03:09:04,199
Speaker 2: this to be a set in. I want to go home.

3789
03:09:04,360 --> 03:09:07,400
Speaker 2: I'm very tired, my feet hurt. I am just waiting

3790
03:09:07,440 --> 03:09:11,520
Speaker 2: for a call. We presented the DNC some time ago.

3791
03:09:11,640 --> 03:09:13,840
Speaker 2: The conversations really started about a month ago. They were

3792
03:09:13,920 --> 03:09:17,160
Speaker 2: initially trying to get a doctor a five minute speaking

3793
03:09:17,160 --> 03:09:20,480
Speaker 2: slot at the DNC to talk about medical care for

3794
03:09:20,640 --> 03:09:23,840
Speaker 2: children in Gaza. That has evolved over time into they

3795
03:09:23,840 --> 03:09:27,360
Speaker 2: have a list of Palestinian American Democrats who they were

3796
03:09:27,360 --> 03:09:30,280
Speaker 2: willing to let the DNC pick from and let them

3797
03:09:30,360 --> 03:09:31,599
Speaker 2: vet a speech.

3798
03:09:31,400 --> 03:09:33,720
Speaker 3: Including some who have endorsed terrorists already.

3799
03:09:33,840 --> 03:09:36,039
Speaker 2: From what I was listening to, all of this was

3800
03:09:36,120 --> 03:09:39,320
Speaker 2: very much in the context of and endorsing Harris right.

3801
03:09:39,840 --> 03:09:41,280
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of people be like, yeah, but

3802
03:09:41,320 --> 03:09:44,480
Speaker 2: what if they come up and attack the Democratic Party

3803
03:09:44,480 --> 03:09:47,200
Speaker 2: and call you know them genocide supporters or whatnot. And

3804
03:09:47,840 --> 03:09:50,640
Speaker 2: I don't get that feeling from this group of people. Now,

3805
03:09:50,920 --> 03:09:53,080
Speaker 2: I understand if you're like, well, that's what they should do.

3806
03:09:53,120 --> 03:09:57,160
Speaker 2: But these folks are not coming at this and certainly

3807
03:09:57,200 --> 03:10:00,480
Speaker 2: not framing themselves as we are radical left. They're framing

3808
03:10:00,520 --> 03:10:03,920
Speaker 2: themselves as we are normal Democrats who want to see

3809
03:10:03,959 --> 03:10:08,280
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party acknowledge the humanity of Palestinians and also

3810
03:10:08,360 --> 03:10:12,720
Speaker 2: start taking real steps to reduce and mitigate the violence

3811
03:10:12,720 --> 03:10:14,480
Speaker 2: that is really able to do over there. And that's

3812
03:10:14,480 --> 03:10:16,680
Speaker 2: what these people were standing for.

3813
03:10:16,800 --> 03:10:18,560
Speaker 8: And at least in terms of the actually d NC

3814
03:10:18,879 --> 03:10:21,840
Speaker 8: like convention at the United Center, the fact that they

3815
03:10:21,840 --> 03:10:23,480
Speaker 8: do not want to do this and would rather just

3816
03:10:23,560 --> 03:10:25,760
Speaker 8: continue like this big like party to.

3817
03:10:25,840 --> 03:10:28,000
Speaker 2: Be partying with you is really part of the vibe

3818
03:10:28,000 --> 03:10:28,720
Speaker 2: that they were getting on.

3819
03:10:29,040 --> 03:10:31,959
Speaker 8: Sure, and but the dn Z doesn't even want that

3820
03:10:32,320 --> 03:10:35,320
Speaker 8: to like put at risk this whole vibe shift party

3821
03:10:35,320 --> 03:10:37,920
Speaker 8: that they have going on, and that that is like,

3822
03:10:38,240 --> 03:10:40,959
Speaker 8: you know, a massive issue. And similarly, we had we

3823
03:10:41,000 --> 03:10:44,039
Speaker 8: had videos coming out last night of DNC attendees leaving

3824
03:10:44,120 --> 03:10:46,960
Speaker 8: the area plugging their ears as as people read out

3825
03:10:47,160 --> 03:10:50,320
Speaker 8: like names of dead Palestinian children. It just creates this

3826
03:10:50,440 --> 03:10:54,440
Speaker 8: overwhelming like atmosphere that these people don't want to be

3827
03:10:54,560 --> 03:10:58,039
Speaker 8: inconvenienced by the genocide and the genocide for them, it

3828
03:10:58,160 --> 03:11:01,520
Speaker 8: just is a political inconvenience that's phibiting them from stopping

3829
03:11:01,560 --> 03:11:04,600
Speaker 8: Trump and prohibiting them from just making this big like

3830
03:11:05,120 --> 03:11:05,880
Speaker 8: Kamala Party.

3831
03:11:06,240 --> 03:11:08,680
Speaker 2: And it is very much an own goal because one

3832
03:11:08,680 --> 03:11:10,440
Speaker 2: thing I will say, if I'm trying again, if I'm

3833
03:11:10,480 --> 03:11:13,160
Speaker 2: trying to be fair, is when I saw people leaving

3834
03:11:13,360 --> 03:11:16,240
Speaker 2: the event, I saw people who got angry. I saw

3835
03:11:16,280 --> 03:11:18,840
Speaker 2: people who tried to ignore it, and I also saw

3836
03:11:18,879 --> 03:11:21,920
Speaker 2: a decent number of people come up and engage politely

3837
03:11:22,040 --> 03:11:24,640
Speaker 2: and with interest in the people who were doing a

3838
03:11:24,680 --> 03:11:27,920
Speaker 2: sit in. Yes, And in fact, before the event let out,

3839
03:11:27,959 --> 03:11:31,040
Speaker 2: there were maybe one hundred people including press around the

3840
03:11:31,080 --> 03:11:33,000
Speaker 2: un committed sit in, and it was a couple hundred

3841
03:11:33,000 --> 03:11:34,840
Speaker 2: when I left, get a lot of infinitely people who

3842
03:11:34,840 --> 03:11:37,240
Speaker 2: had come out. And so it is not it is

3843
03:11:37,280 --> 03:11:40,560
Speaker 2: not fair to say, but when you have people reading

3844
03:11:40,600 --> 03:11:43,760
Speaker 2: out the names of folks killed in a genocide leaving

3845
03:11:43,840 --> 03:11:47,480
Speaker 2: an event, and you get any photos of Democrats leaving

3846
03:11:47,480 --> 03:11:49,760
Speaker 2: plugging their ears, that's that's the image that's going to

3847
03:11:49,800 --> 03:11:52,879
Speaker 2: stick with people, right, And that was obvious going into this.

3848
03:11:53,560 --> 03:11:55,560
Speaker 2: It's a sign number one, I think of how scared

3849
03:11:56,000 --> 03:11:59,320
Speaker 2: people are of a pack, but also of kind of

3850
03:11:59,360 --> 03:12:03,040
Speaker 2: the lack of trust that the DNC leadership has in

3851
03:12:03,080 --> 03:12:08,400
Speaker 2: anyone Palestinian being able to balance being a Democrat with

3852
03:12:08,879 --> 03:12:13,440
Speaker 2: wanting to end a genocide. And you know, again, I

3853
03:12:13,480 --> 03:12:16,879
Speaker 2: think that probably a lot of folks who were outside

3854
03:12:16,879 --> 03:12:19,320
Speaker 2: of the event at the more radical protests would be

3855
03:12:19,400 --> 03:12:23,359
Speaker 2: frustrated by some of the language that I heard uncommitted

3856
03:12:23,440 --> 03:12:27,160
Speaker 2: representatives use. But I think that sit in is having

3857
03:12:27,200 --> 03:12:29,840
Speaker 2: more of an impact than any of the demonstrations outside

3858
03:12:30,040 --> 03:12:32,240
Speaker 2: right because it's right in the middle of the DNC.

3859
03:12:32,440 --> 03:12:36,680
Speaker 2: It's impossible to ignore, and you cannot write these people

3860
03:12:37,040 --> 03:12:41,000
Speaker 2: off as protesters who are out there breaking the law.

3861
03:12:41,160 --> 03:12:42,760
Speaker 2: You know, there's a guy with a hes Bula flag.

3862
03:12:42,760 --> 03:12:44,440
Speaker 2: Why are they walking around the hes bull of flag.

3863
03:12:44,720 --> 03:12:48,240
Speaker 2: These are people who's messaging is as moderated as it

3864
03:12:48,280 --> 03:12:51,240
Speaker 2: could possibly be. They just want the reality of a

3865
03:12:51,240 --> 03:12:54,240
Speaker 2: genocide to be acknowledged, which is not a big ask

3866
03:12:54,360 --> 03:12:55,120
Speaker 2: in my opinion.

3867
03:12:55,520 --> 03:13:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and did you go to any other protests that night, Robert, Yes,

3868
03:13:00,840 --> 03:13:01,480
Speaker 1: I shared did.

3869
03:13:02,040 --> 03:13:04,720
Speaker 2: Garrison and I had several drinks at the hotel, which

3870
03:13:04,760 --> 03:13:06,920
Speaker 2: we've been doing because you know, when you get a

3871
03:13:07,040 --> 03:13:09,840
Speaker 2: chance to sit with your friend both wearing your nice

3872
03:13:09,879 --> 03:13:14,400
Speaker 2: suit and act world weary at a political convention. It's

3873
03:13:14,440 --> 03:13:17,080
Speaker 2: really nice. I wish we could still smoke indoors Garrison.

3874
03:13:17,520 --> 03:13:20,440
Speaker 2: We'd be four packs of pall mall into this by now.

3875
03:13:20,520 --> 03:13:21,800
Speaker 3: Once we get back to Vegas.

3876
03:13:21,920 --> 03:13:25,480
Speaker 2: Once we get back to Vegas, cees right around the corner, buddy,

3877
03:13:25,959 --> 03:13:28,400
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. So like at one am, and at

3878
03:13:28,440 --> 03:13:31,400
Speaker 2: one am in the morning, we go to bed, just

3879
03:13:31,440 --> 03:13:35,000
Speaker 2: fucking exhausted, and there had been sort of word that

3880
03:13:35,240 --> 03:13:38,760
Speaker 2: was supposed to be some kind of radical demonstration, and

3881
03:13:39,840 --> 03:13:42,120
Speaker 2: it was unclear exactly what was going to happen. And

3882
03:13:42,160 --> 03:13:44,280
Speaker 2: then right as I got up to my hotel room,

3883
03:13:44,440 --> 03:13:47,039
Speaker 2: I saw from one of the reporters I cover on

3884
03:13:47,040 --> 03:13:51,160
Speaker 2: the ground here, Talia Jane at Talia OTG, that a

3885
03:13:51,280 --> 03:13:54,080
Speaker 2: noise demonstration had opened up outside of the They'd figured

3886
03:13:54,120 --> 03:13:57,119
Speaker 2: out what Hotel Kamala Harris is at and had started

3887
03:13:57,160 --> 03:13:59,600
Speaker 2: doing a noise demonstration, just making as much noise outside

3888
03:13:59,600 --> 03:14:01,920
Speaker 2: of the hotel well as possible. And it was like

3889
03:14:01,959 --> 03:14:04,160
Speaker 2: a block away from us. So down the street I

3890
03:14:04,200 --> 03:14:07,800
Speaker 2: went maybe one hundred people or so, including one individual

3891
03:14:07,840 --> 03:14:10,640
Speaker 2: with a flute playing as badly as they possibly could

3892
03:14:10,640 --> 03:14:12,880
Speaker 2: while standing as close to the police riot line as

3893
03:14:12,879 --> 03:14:19,480
Speaker 2: they possibly care. A hero. A hero it was, And yeah,

3894
03:14:19,480 --> 03:14:22,160
Speaker 2: it was interesting because when I got there, I expected

3895
03:14:22,200 --> 03:14:25,480
Speaker 2: because the police were telling people to move. They were

3896
03:14:25,520 --> 03:14:27,800
Speaker 2: in front of the President's hotel. It was one in

3897
03:14:27,840 --> 03:14:29,520
Speaker 2: the morning, and they were being very loud in front

3898
03:14:29,520 --> 03:14:32,240
Speaker 2: of people who have money, So I kind of expected, Okay,

3899
03:14:32,520 --> 03:14:34,160
Speaker 2: wagons are going to come in and people are going

3900
03:14:34,160 --> 03:14:36,720
Speaker 2: to get the absolute shit beat out of them. But

3901
03:14:37,320 --> 03:14:40,279
Speaker 2: nothing happened. The cops didn't even keep a tight cordon.

3902
03:14:40,800 --> 03:14:43,520
Speaker 2: There was clearly no as we saw last night, there

3903
03:14:43,560 --> 03:14:46,800
Speaker 2: was no walling in the protest. There was no sign

3904
03:14:46,840 --> 03:14:50,080
Speaker 2: that they considered this something that needed to be met

3905
03:14:50,080 --> 03:14:52,720
Speaker 2: with a significant degree of force. I kind of think

3906
03:14:52,760 --> 03:14:55,160
Speaker 2: some of it maybe that they were tired too, because

3907
03:14:55,640 --> 03:14:58,280
Speaker 2: they looked exhausted, So I wonder how much of it

3908
03:14:58,320 --> 03:15:01,080
Speaker 2: is that. I think it also they got supp as

3909
03:15:01,080 --> 03:15:03,959
Speaker 2: opposed to yesterday, where they came in knowing, Okay, this

3910
03:15:04,080 --> 03:15:07,120
Speaker 2: is supposed to be a radical militant demo, so we're

3911
03:15:07,160 --> 03:15:09,720
Speaker 2: going to have an overwhelming force response. I think they

3912
03:15:09,800 --> 03:15:12,640
Speaker 2: just had some teams show up and kind of catches

3913
03:15:12,680 --> 03:15:15,560
Speaker 2: catch can handle the event. But you know, they played

3914
03:15:15,560 --> 03:15:18,560
Speaker 2: around outside of Harris's place for thirty or forty minutes

3915
03:15:18,600 --> 03:15:21,240
Speaker 2: and then marched on and dispersed, And it was fine,

3916
03:15:21,240 --> 03:15:24,160
Speaker 2: no arrests that I saw whatsoever, pretty calm night.

3917
03:15:24,320 --> 03:15:25,879
Speaker 8: And I believe the actual hotel she was staying it

3918
03:15:25,920 --> 03:15:27,400
Speaker 8: was actually like a like a one or two blocks

3919
03:15:27,440 --> 03:15:29,040
Speaker 8: over they it was fortified.

3920
03:15:29,080 --> 03:15:31,000
Speaker 2: It's a fortress. Right, You're not going to get that close.

3921
03:15:31,120 --> 03:15:35,680
Speaker 8: It's the Secret Service like headquarters essentially. Right, the vice

3922
03:15:35,720 --> 03:15:38,240
Speaker 8: president is sleeping in the building here. There's not going

3923
03:15:38,320 --> 03:15:41,440
Speaker 8: to be protesters directly outside on the sidewalk. They're going

3924
03:15:41,520 --> 03:15:43,800
Speaker 8: to have some kind of radius. Yeah, people got as

3925
03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:46,520
Speaker 8: close as they could to what they believed the hotel was,

3926
03:15:46,920 --> 03:15:48,720
Speaker 8: but you know, it's not like they're going to be

3927
03:15:48,720 --> 03:15:50,760
Speaker 8: thrown eggs on the window of the Vice president.

3928
03:15:50,920 --> 03:15:51,000
Speaker 3: No.

3929
03:15:51,080 --> 03:15:54,119
Speaker 2: And I didn't even see any implication that people wanted

3930
03:15:54,160 --> 03:15:56,080
Speaker 2: to do that. I have not, at any of these

3931
03:15:56,120 --> 03:16:01,600
Speaker 2: demonstrations seen any sort of cohesive committed property destruction or

3932
03:16:01,640 --> 03:16:04,320
Speaker 2: even like a hint that people are thinking of property.

3933
03:16:04,520 --> 03:16:06,800
Speaker 2: These are and part because I think most of the

3934
03:16:06,840 --> 03:16:09,200
Speaker 2: people have seen have been younger. They seem to be

3935
03:16:09,320 --> 03:16:12,440
Speaker 2: newer to this kind of protest. It seems like a

3936
03:16:12,520 --> 03:16:16,200
Speaker 2: younger movement is the core of things here, and I

3937
03:16:16,240 --> 03:16:18,959
Speaker 2: don't think if they ever do, I certainly they have

3938
03:16:19,080 --> 03:16:21,720
Speaker 2: not yet psyched themselves up to that kind of direct action.

3939
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:24,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, we will go on an that break

3940
03:16:24,520 --> 03:16:25,960
Speaker 8: and come back to hear about a few of the

3941
03:16:26,000 --> 03:16:28,600
Speaker 8: other speeches that took place last night at the DNC,

3942
03:16:28,879 --> 03:16:30,560
Speaker 8: including Governor Tim Walls.

3943
03:16:30,640 --> 03:16:44,360
Speaker 2: So the window, Okay, we could, So we're back. I

3944
03:16:44,400 --> 03:16:46,080
Speaker 2: did want to note before we get into this that

3945
03:16:46,400 --> 03:16:49,400
Speaker 2: Texas delegate who was in the South side of Chicago

3946
03:16:49,520 --> 03:16:52,320
Speaker 2: got robbed last night. Oh yes, which is not surprising

3947
03:16:52,360 --> 03:16:54,680
Speaker 2: because the South side of Chicago is the baddest part

3948
03:16:54,720 --> 03:16:57,360
Speaker 2: of town. And as I was warned before coming here,

3949
03:16:57,360 --> 03:17:00,200
Speaker 2: if you get down there, you'd better be aware. A

3950
03:17:00,200 --> 03:17:01,360
Speaker 2: man named Leroy Brown.

3951
03:17:01,520 --> 03:17:02,959
Speaker 10: All right, anyways, scarus.

3952
03:17:03,040 --> 03:17:05,280
Speaker 2: He stands about six foot four, so this week has

3953
03:17:05,360 --> 03:17:09,360
Speaker 2: lasted a month. I've aged all the downtown ladies call

3954
03:17:09,400 --> 03:17:12,280
Speaker 2: him treetop Lover, but before the men just call him

3955
03:17:12,320 --> 03:17:14,760
Speaker 2: sir if you were curious about his pronouns.

3956
03:17:14,800 --> 03:17:16,480
Speaker 8: I'm just trying to make sure that we refer to

3957
03:17:16,879 --> 03:17:20,200
Speaker 8: So the theme for Wednesday night inside the DNC was

3958
03:17:20,320 --> 03:17:23,039
Speaker 8: a fight for our democracy and with like a big

3959
03:17:23,080 --> 03:17:26,039
Speaker 8: emphasis on like trying to maintain the freedoms that we

3960
03:17:26,160 --> 03:17:28,879
Speaker 8: now have. There's a lot of we're not going back

3961
03:17:29,000 --> 03:17:30,279
Speaker 8: chance that kind of stuff.

3962
03:17:30,320 --> 03:17:30,680
Speaker 2: A lot of.

3963
03:17:30,680 --> 03:17:34,360
Speaker 1: Speech is focused on redefining freedom. Yes, and curious this.

3964
03:17:34,360 --> 03:17:36,000
Speaker 8: Is this is kind of part of like this like

3965
03:17:36,120 --> 03:17:39,400
Speaker 8: liberal reclaiming of like patreat has been freedom that I've

3966
03:17:39,520 --> 03:17:42,000
Speaker 8: that I've kind of been talking about these past few weeks.

3967
03:17:42,080 --> 03:17:44,000
Speaker 2: It's probably the smartest thing they could be doing.

3968
03:17:44,400 --> 03:17:47,200
Speaker 8: Yes, So this was kind of the main push not

3969
03:17:47,240 --> 03:17:50,240
Speaker 8: only how Democrats will continue to secure these freedoms, but

3970
03:17:50,400 --> 03:17:54,080
Speaker 8: if Trump is elected, these freedoms will be gone and people.

3971
03:17:54,120 --> 03:17:57,160
Speaker 8: The judge gave an okay speech, you know, talking about

3972
03:17:57,160 --> 03:17:59,800
Speaker 8: how his current life being married with kids was like,

3973
03:18:00,120 --> 03:18:03,320
Speaker 8: you know, impossible twenty five years ago, and if Project

3974
03:18:03,360 --> 03:18:06,440
Speaker 8: twenty twenty five gets enacted, it will be no longer

3975
03:18:06,480 --> 03:18:08,840
Speaker 8: possible anymore. So, like a lot of stuff kind of

3976
03:18:08,920 --> 03:18:12,000
Speaker 8: like that. Oprah Winfrey showed up and gave a very

3977
03:18:12,040 --> 03:18:12,760
Speaker 8: long speech.

3978
03:18:13,520 --> 03:18:17,640
Speaker 2: I did have a moment of very jarring disconnect where

3979
03:18:17,680 --> 03:18:20,800
Speaker 2: as I listened to the boss who was openly weeping

3980
03:18:20,920 --> 03:18:23,840
Speaker 2: talking about his grandmother having to flee her home in

3981
03:18:23,920 --> 03:18:26,840
Speaker 2: Lebanon as it was bombed and then I look up

3982
03:18:26,920 --> 03:18:29,400
Speaker 2: as this man is crying on the ground talking about

3983
03:18:29,400 --> 03:18:32,640
Speaker 2: his grandmother fleeing bombs, and there's Oprah Winfrey's giant head

3984
03:18:32,680 --> 03:18:34,360
Speaker 2: speaking on the JumboTron above me.

3985
03:18:34,680 --> 03:18:36,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, similar to the RNZ.

3986
03:18:36,440 --> 03:18:41,280
Speaker 13: When the crowd started enchanting Usa, Usa, Usa during Oprah's speech,

3987
03:18:41,680 --> 03:18:44,480
Speaker 13: I got one of what those alert said my smart

3988
03:18:44,480 --> 03:18:48,240
Speaker 13: watch that my heart was a little too high, which

3989
03:18:48,280 --> 03:18:49,840
Speaker 13: again very funny.

3990
03:18:50,120 --> 03:18:52,720
Speaker 10: That's all that it takes to trigger my poor little heart.

3991
03:18:52,800 --> 03:18:57,520
Speaker 2: I got some magnesia and supplement, Sophie. Let's take though.

3992
03:18:58,280 --> 03:19:00,680
Speaker 8: And then even though there's just all this like you know, freedom,

3993
03:19:01,160 --> 03:19:03,800
Speaker 8: democracy stuff, there was also some of the most conservative

3994
03:19:03,840 --> 03:19:06,280
Speaker 8: speakers of the night were also here. There was there

3995
03:19:06,600 --> 03:19:09,119
Speaker 8: was a few police officers. There was a sheriff talking

3996
03:19:09,160 --> 03:19:12,280
Speaker 8: about the border and how how Trump killed the most

3997
03:19:12,400 --> 03:19:16,640
Speaker 8: secure border bill. Even though they're denying any any Palestinian

3998
03:19:16,800 --> 03:19:19,560
Speaker 8: to speak on the main stage, they are inviting like

3999
03:19:19,760 --> 03:19:25,400
Speaker 8: former Trump co workers, a sheriff, a police officers. So

4000
03:19:25,520 --> 03:19:28,440
Speaker 8: all of these guys are speaking, which people are similarly

4001
03:19:28,480 --> 03:19:32,000
Speaker 8: pointing to, is is you know, showcasing what exactly the

4002
03:19:32,080 --> 03:19:34,840
Speaker 8: DNC I think actually cares about right now? But I

4003
03:19:34,879 --> 03:19:37,360
Speaker 8: think I just want to go straight over to mister

4004
03:19:37,560 --> 03:19:41,959
Speaker 8: Walls Coach Walls. Right before he came out, volunteers at

4005
03:19:41,959 --> 03:19:45,520
Speaker 8: the convention center were handing out these big coach Walls signs.

4006
03:19:45,560 --> 03:19:47,840
Speaker 8: There must have must have been thousands of them just

4007
03:19:47,959 --> 03:19:50,200
Speaker 8: handing them out to like everyone on the floor, almost

4008
03:19:50,240 --> 03:19:53,360
Speaker 8: everyone in the stands, just the whole the whole stadium

4009
03:19:53,400 --> 03:19:55,720
Speaker 8: was full of people holding these big Coach Walls signs.

4010
03:19:56,080 --> 03:19:58,080
Speaker 8: He comes out onto stage and people seem to really

4011
03:19:58,080 --> 03:20:01,080
Speaker 8: like him. He gave it short but sweet speech. I

4012
03:20:01,160 --> 03:20:03,000
Speaker 8: guess he was one of the most efficient speakers of

4013
03:20:03,000 --> 03:20:05,920
Speaker 8: the night. He talked a lot about schools and how

4014
03:20:06,200 --> 03:20:08,720
Speaker 8: how schools are kind of one of the big battlegrounds

4015
03:20:08,959 --> 03:20:11,039
Speaker 8: for freedom right now because he used to be a

4016
03:20:11,080 --> 03:20:13,440
Speaker 8: teacher for you know, geography.

4017
03:20:12,879 --> 03:20:14,280
Speaker 2: As well as well as football.

4018
03:20:14,920 --> 03:20:18,440
Speaker 8: He had this line that instead of instead of banning books,

4019
03:20:18,480 --> 03:20:21,520
Speaker 8: we've been banishing hunger in his schools. How he signed

4020
03:20:21,520 --> 03:20:24,600
Speaker 8: that free lunch bill. Meanwhile, all these Republicans are just

4021
03:20:24,600 --> 03:20:28,320
Speaker 8: trying to ban science books, banned social studies, and he's

4022
03:20:28,360 --> 03:20:30,760
Speaker 8: giving kids free food. So it's a lot of stuff

4023
03:20:30,760 --> 03:20:33,279
Speaker 8: about protecting schools, a lot of stuff about empowering teachers.

4024
03:20:33,600 --> 03:20:35,640
Speaker 8: That got great reactions from the crowd. So I'm sure

4025
03:20:35,680 --> 03:20:37,520
Speaker 8: there's plenty of teachers here at the DNC.

4026
03:20:38,000 --> 03:20:42,440
Speaker 1: Sure speaking of crowd reactions, Joe Biden was very briefly

4027
03:20:42,480 --> 03:20:45,640
Speaker 1: mentioned in the thank You Joe chance that normally go

4028
03:20:45,760 --> 03:20:46,280
Speaker 1: on for a.

4029
03:20:46,280 --> 03:20:47,160
Speaker 10: Very long time.

4030
03:20:47,360 --> 03:20:50,440
Speaker 8: They've been getting shorter, getting shorter, shorter, getting shorter and shorter.

4031
03:20:50,560 --> 03:20:53,520
Speaker 1: It was quite literally, thank you Joe once and then

4032
03:20:53,560 --> 03:20:55,879
Speaker 1: thank you, and then he kept talking and the chance ended.

4033
03:20:56,280 --> 03:21:00,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, the party along weaning themselves off of haired

4034
03:21:00,640 --> 03:21:03,800
Speaker 2: Joe in so Walls could.

4035
03:21:05,280 --> 03:21:08,000
Speaker 8: Walls's approach in his speech was similarly on this like

4036
03:21:08,120 --> 03:21:13,160
Speaker 8: freedom and democracy theme. One of the reoccurring talking points

4037
03:21:13,200 --> 03:21:17,080
Speaker 8: he used was back in either Minnesota or Nebraska, because

4038
03:21:17,120 --> 03:21:19,840
Speaker 8: he's lived in both places. Their golden rule is to

4039
03:21:19,959 --> 03:21:22,600
Speaker 8: mind your own damn business, and that's kind of his

4040
03:21:23,360 --> 03:21:25,240
Speaker 8: stated approach to a lot of these things. It's like

4041
03:21:25,280 --> 03:21:27,720
Speaker 8: Republicans are trying to get up into your business. The

4042
03:21:27,760 --> 03:21:30,600
Speaker 8: Republicans talk about freedom, but what they really mean is

4043
03:21:30,959 --> 03:21:34,280
Speaker 8: freedom for the government to get involved in your own business. Yes,

4044
03:21:34,520 --> 03:21:36,920
Speaker 8: saying that the Democrats are going to not do such

4045
03:21:36,920 --> 03:21:39,080
Speaker 8: a thing. We're going to keep the government out of

4046
03:21:39,120 --> 03:21:42,680
Speaker 8: your doctor's office. We're going to provide reproductive freedom. That's

4047
03:21:42,760 --> 03:21:45,279
Speaker 8: kind of the messaging that he kept using because consistently

4048
03:21:45,320 --> 03:21:48,360
Speaker 8: throughout the night about being a good neighbor, calling you know,

4049
03:21:48,440 --> 03:21:51,360
Speaker 8: stuff like Project twenty twenty five, an agenda that no

4050
03:21:51,400 --> 03:21:55,000
Speaker 8: one has really asked for, but Republican like oligarchs are

4051
03:21:55,000 --> 03:21:57,400
Speaker 8: trying to force upon the nation just to get more

4052
03:21:57,440 --> 03:22:00,840
Speaker 8: involved in everyone's lives. And this is something that me

4053
03:22:00,840 --> 03:22:02,680
Speaker 8: and Robert we're talking about kind of back in the hotels.

4054
03:22:03,040 --> 03:22:08,400
Speaker 8: Everyone really likes like libertarian messaging. Yeah, Like this style

4055
03:22:08,440 --> 03:22:11,120
Speaker 8: of messaging always plays very well. People just don't like

4056
03:22:11,200 --> 03:22:13,720
Speaker 8: actual libertarians, and they don't like, you know, lots of

4057
03:22:13,720 --> 03:22:17,480
Speaker 8: like libertarian like you know, urban policy, right, But this

4058
03:22:17,560 --> 03:22:20,880
Speaker 8: style of messaging typically plays really well and is something

4059
03:22:20,920 --> 03:22:24,000
Speaker 8: that Republicans have been using increasingly, like since like the

4060
03:22:24,000 --> 03:22:27,360
Speaker 8: Tea Party and stuff. And because the Republican Party has

4061
03:22:27,440 --> 03:22:29,600
Speaker 8: has gotten much more authoritarian over the years, I think

4062
03:22:29,600 --> 03:22:31,640
Speaker 8: it's interesting to see the Democrats are starting to realize

4063
03:22:31,640 --> 03:22:34,400
Speaker 8: that they can actually weaponize this style of framing themselves

4064
03:22:34,840 --> 03:22:36,920
Speaker 8: to a very good reaction. You know, this is where

4065
03:22:36,920 --> 03:22:39,400
Speaker 8: we get these big we're not going back chants.

4066
03:22:39,640 --> 03:22:43,720
Speaker 10: He in one of his many sports metaphors.

4067
03:22:43,720 --> 03:22:46,720
Speaker 1: He said, when somebody draws up a playbook, they're going

4068
03:22:46,760 --> 03:22:49,000
Speaker 1: to use it. Referred to Project twenty twenty five and

4069
03:22:49,040 --> 03:22:50,720
Speaker 1: the crowd loved that.

4070
03:22:50,879 --> 03:22:53,480
Speaker 3: A lot of sports references that I saw. That sport

4071
03:22:53,600 --> 03:22:54,840
Speaker 3: reference I did not really get.

4072
03:22:54,879 --> 03:22:57,119
Speaker 2: But that's cans. You guys don't like the only real

4073
03:22:57,200 --> 03:22:58,160
Speaker 2: sport in this lie, I.

4074
03:22:58,160 --> 03:23:00,520
Speaker 10: Was translating all the sports reference since.

4075
03:23:00,600 --> 03:23:05,040
Speaker 1: Robert you don't know sports, I know football, great, sob Anyways.

4076
03:23:04,879 --> 03:23:07,440
Speaker 8: He also talked about things that Kamala has helped fight for,

4077
03:23:08,120 --> 03:23:12,840
Speaker 8: including fighting big pharma, security rights for workers, healthcare, and housing.

4078
03:23:12,879 --> 03:23:15,160
Speaker 8: There's just a few of the actual kind of still

4079
03:23:15,200 --> 03:23:18,840
Speaker 8: not not super big policy things, but hinting towards policy

4080
03:23:18,920 --> 03:23:21,480
Speaker 8: things that Democrats have gotten closer to over these last

4081
03:23:21,520 --> 03:23:23,800
Speaker 8: few days as they did release their actual like DNC

4082
03:23:23,959 --> 03:23:26,800
Speaker 8: party platform. And finally, the kind of last thing I

4083
03:23:26,840 --> 03:23:28,760
Speaker 8: want to mention is that with like buddhaj Edge and

4084
03:23:28,800 --> 03:23:32,880
Speaker 8: a few a few other like LGBTQ speakers, you know Walls,

4085
03:23:32,959 --> 03:23:36,560
Speaker 8: Walls talked about how he sponsored the Gaystraight Alliance in

4086
03:23:36,600 --> 03:23:39,360
Speaker 8: the nineties and that under his and Kamala's watch, the

4087
03:23:39,360 --> 03:23:42,400
Speaker 8: government's going to stay out of your bedroom. Similarly, you know,

4088
03:23:42,600 --> 03:23:46,119
Speaker 8: going back to this like freedom messaging. But there has

4089
03:23:46,200 --> 03:23:48,360
Speaker 8: been these few mentions of like you know, keeping the

4090
03:23:48,400 --> 03:23:49,720
Speaker 8: government out of the bedroom, and.

4091
03:23:49,640 --> 03:23:51,520
Speaker 10: Like doctor's appointments as well.

4092
03:23:51,360 --> 03:23:53,800
Speaker 8: Doctors appointments, and and not and and not regressing on

4093
03:23:53,959 --> 03:23:58,480
Speaker 8: LGBTQ rights. There's been very little actually talked about positively

4094
03:23:58,480 --> 03:24:02,560
Speaker 8: about helping secure the LGBTQ rights that are currently like

4095
03:24:02,600 --> 03:24:05,200
Speaker 8: actually a jeopardy, like specifically like trans healthcare. Like there's

4096
03:24:05,240 --> 03:24:08,480
Speaker 8: not been a trans speaker at the DNC. I've heard

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Speaker 8: almost no mention of trans issues on any of the

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Speaker 8: speeches or any of the or any of the panels.

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Speaker 8: And that this is I guess just slightly.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I guess I was expecting something, honestly on this because

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Speaker 8: this is such a big topic for Republicans, because there

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Speaker 8: was consistently every night mentions of trans people at the RNC.

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Speaker 8: I was expecting at least some degree for the DNC

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Speaker 8: to like push back on that and be like, no,

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Speaker 8: we actually are gonna make sure we have health care

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Speaker 8: for trans people and make sure that trans people are

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Speaker 8: not unfairly discriminated against. And they have just sidesteped this

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Speaker 8: whole issue, and that has been that's not great. That

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Speaker 8: is that is another thing as well as Palestine to

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Speaker 8: push them on, because this is like literally one of

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Speaker 8: the core parts of the Republican Party right now is

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Speaker 8: attacking the ability for trans people to not only get

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Speaker 8: health care, but it's just to exist in public life.

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Speaker 2: And it's specifically something Walls has a really good record on. Yes,

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Speaker 2: some of these people do have a good recordation ban

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Speaker 2: and stuff, so it's not something that they have shied

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Speaker 2: away from in their own electoral history.

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Speaker 8: But at least at the DNC, they're not putting it

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Speaker 8: on like the national stage, and maybe they think it

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Speaker 8: won't play well. Maybe they think it's a little bit

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Speaker 8: too weird for some of the people that they're trying

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Speaker 8: to kind of court their votes for.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I wonder if the calculation is a

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Speaker 2: little different. The only direct references I've heard of trans

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Speaker 2: people have been as part of LGBTQ. I wonder if

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Speaker 2: there's a degree of strategy where they're thinking, like the

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Speaker 2: smart way to play this is to reconnect trans people

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Speaker 2: with LGBTQ as opposed to deal with it as if

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Speaker 2: there's some sort of like separate thing going on. I

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Speaker 2: wonder if that's a calculation that they're making. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but you're right, it is kind of it is very

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Speaker 2: conspicuous in its absence.

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Speaker 8: I mean, we just had this massive flare about the

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Speaker 8: Olympics with this like increasing like trans panic stuff, and yeah,

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Speaker 8: it's just something I've observed the past few days that

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Speaker 8: I mean, we'll see if we'll see if there's anything Tonight,

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Speaker 8: I'm going to try to talk to the people who've

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Speaker 8: been at the LGBTQ caucuses these past few days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to end by just as we're recording this,

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Speaker 2: it's come out Mother Jones is published at the text

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Speaker 2: of the speech that the Uncommitted Movement wanted to give

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Speaker 2: it the DNC. This was from rep Rua Roman was

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Speaker 2: supposed to be the one giving this and this was

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Speaker 2: like specifically turned down by the Democratic Party. And I

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Speaker 2: want to read a couple of paragraphs from it, just

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Speaker 2: to give you an idea again, make it very clear

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Speaker 2: the actual kind of rhetoric and how modest it is

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Speaker 2: that these people are using in this pain. I've also

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Speaker 2: witnessed something profound, a beautiful, multi faith, multiracial and multi

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Speaker 2: generational coalition rising from despair within our Democratic Party. For

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Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty days, we've stood together, demanding to

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Speaker 2: enforce our laws on friend and foe alike, to reach

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Speaker 2: a ceasefire in the killing of Palestinians, fore all the

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Speaker 2: Israelian Palestinian hostages, and to begin the difficult work of

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Speaker 2: building a path to collective peace and safety. That's why

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Speaker 2: we are here, members of this Democratic Party, committed to

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Speaker 2: equal rights and dignity for all. What we do here

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Speaker 2: echoes around the world. They'll say, this is how it's

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Speaker 2: always been, that nothing can change. But remember Fanny lou

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Speaker 2: Hamer shunned for her courage, yet she paved the way

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Speaker 2: for an integrated Democratic Party. Her legacy lives on and

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Speaker 2: it's her example we follow. But we can't do it alone.

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Speaker 2: This historic moment is full of promise, but only if

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Speaker 2: we stand together. Our party's greatest strength has always been

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Speaker 2: our ability to unite. Some see that as a weakness,

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Speaker 2: but it's time we flex that strength. Let's commit to

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Speaker 2: each other, to electing Vice President Harris and defeating Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: who uses my identity as a Palestinian as a slur.

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Speaker 2: Let's fight for the politics long overdue from restoring access

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Speaker 2: to abortions, to ensuring a living wage, to demanding an

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Speaker 2: end to reckless war and a ceasefire in Gaza. To

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Speaker 2: those who doubt us, to the cynics and naysayers, I say,

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Speaker 2: yes we can. Yes, we can be a democratic party

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Speaker 2: that prioritizes funding our schools and hospitals, not for endless wars,

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Speaker 2: that fights for in America, that belongs to all of us, black, brown,

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Speaker 2: and white, Jews and Palestinians, all of us, like my

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Speaker 2: grandfather taught me together Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's the least

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Speaker 2: objectionable thing I can imagine. Yeah, So anyway, that's what

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Speaker 2: the DNC didn want people do here.

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Speaker 10: Pretty despicable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's pretty frustrating.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Well, this is how we're gonna be closing this week

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Speaker 8: of coverage. We will start next week's episodes by talking

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Speaker 8: about the final day of the DNC, including Kamala Harris's speech.

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Speaker 8: And I also have some kind of disjointed thoughts I'll

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Speaker 8: try to put together more about some of like the

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Speaker 8: discourse revolving around some of these protests, how they've been

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Speaker 8: handled a few like tactics things. But yeah, this has

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Speaker 8: been this week at It could Happen here. Recording from Chicago, Illinois.

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Speaker 2: Nice exhausted, Well, you guys, listen to the speeches. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to try to find Jake Tapper at the Politico

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Speaker 2: Bar and Grill and uh, you know, read him the

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Speaker 2: lyrics of bad bad Le Roy Brown. Let us know

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Speaker 2: all that baddest man in the whole damn town.

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Speaker 1: Normally I would I would be against abandoning you at

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Speaker 1: a big public event.

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Speaker 10: But see you.

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Speaker 2: It's fine if it turns into a fist fight. I

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Speaker 2: feel confident. We all view. I feel very confident I

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Speaker 2: can win.

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Speaker 8: If you're getting close to Jake Kapper, it's going to

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Speaker 8: turn into a fistfight.

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Speaker 3: We all know this, all right, horrible.

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Speaker 2: Hey, We'll be back Monday with more episodes every week

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