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I 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:25.400 was actually going to say I think I'm a synth, 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.959 but okay, we're just talking different fandoms. It's fine way 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:34.160 it happens so much, at least in the movies. Yeah, alright, Well, 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:36.680 I guess we've we've got a lot to cover ground 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.560 and cover todays we're just we should probably just jump 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:43.000 into things because as always we've got a mystery and around. Yeah, well, 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.479 this week we've got a big mystery, which is the 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:50.120 crash of t w A flight eight hundred, which I 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.800 think a lot of people probably know about the crash 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:58.400 and that happened, but maybe not so aware of some 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.600 of the controversy that's surrounds it and all of the 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.559 theories that have spawned out of the It's kind of big. 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:07.920 I mean, it's it's big enough that the conspiracy theories 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:12.240 had their own Wikipedia page. Yes, I have an important question, Um, 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.200 was tw A actually an airlines or was it just 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:19.040 like the code name they gave every airplane that ever 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:23.320 had something tragic happened on it because trans World Airline. 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.040 I just feel like, yeah, and I just feel like 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:30.280 every time I hear you know, prior to these last couple, 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.720 every time it used to be oh yeah, that flights 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.200 t w A whatever that was, it was really tragic, 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.240 and it's just like, well, I really feel like t 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.359 w A something something or you know, letters that are 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.040 almost the same organization. Are the plane that they crashed 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.639 in the original or the second die Hard? Remember the 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.880 second die Hard? There must be it's very similar. That's 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.799 but t w A was big enough, they were, it 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.120 was recognizable, and they do not exist anymore. Yeah, but 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.359 there for a I think they were the biggest airline anywhere. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:04.320 They were one of the top, and that would be 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.560 kind of like, you know, the leader and crashes therefore 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:11.960 also yeah, well let me give a quick little disclaimer here. 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.040 We're gonna call this a disclaimer. We've just talked about 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.200 how big this story is and how many theories are 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.520 out there, and there is a lot a lot of 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.640 content associated with it, and we're not going to be 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.919 able to hit every single point because there is just 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.760 so much. I mean, I've watched multiple documentaries on this already, 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.120 hours and hours worth of time, and we're not going there. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.320 Of the NTSP report itself, is like, what three hundred 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.360 plus pages. Yeah, I read most of the things. I 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.640 don't know. This script feels like it might be so. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.960 So my point is in saying that is if this 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.560 is your favorite or pet story, don't get upset if 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.880 we leave something out that you think is extremely important 0:03:55.920 --> 0:04:00.520 or pertinent. You know what you need to do. You 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.120 need to go online and join the discussion, because I 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.200 know there's gonna be a lot of conversation about this 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.640 when this episode drops, and that's going to be the 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.839 place to share it and and have those conversations. Those 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:15.200 are places like the Facebook, the Reddit, um, Twitter maybe, 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.719 but like it's pretty hard to have. So I would 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.240 say the Facebook group and the Reddit group yea, yep, 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.200 those are totally it. Before I forget, I do want 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.960 to thank both Christie and Megan who suggested this one 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.919 for us. So let's get into the story. Uh. Story 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:35.480 tastes place on the seventeenth of July when t w 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:40.000 A Flight eight hundred was scheduled to leave JFK International 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.039 Airport in New York City at seven o'clock at night, 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.680 with its destination being Paris, France. The plane itself was 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:52.080 a Boeing seven four seven Dash one hundred and at 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.000 that point it had been in service for about twenty 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.880 five years, which honestly isn't that long when you think 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.440 of how many aged seven four seven as there are 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.880 flying around the world right now. Oh yeah, that's still 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.320 I mean, yeah, I think it has been over sixteen 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.440 thou flights something like that. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, planes 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:10.640 aren't like cars. So one thing they're they're better built, 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.240 they're well maintained, better than cars, and so yeah, they'll 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.880 go forever close to Oh yeah, no talking about well built. 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.160 I told you guys, I went into the Boeing factory 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.440 and took the tour and it's amazing the stuff that 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.640 they do. Um. It was incredible to me, just like sidebar, 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:30.960 how many things you have done? The longer we do this, 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.040 the more I'm like, when does Steve have the time 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:39.800 to do all this stuff? Okay? Got it? Um. So, 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.520 if you're wondering what a seven four seven Dash one 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.320 looks like, it's pretty easy to tell it's it's a 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.400 jumbo jet, of course, but it's got that funny hump 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.000 at the nose. So the cockpit is in that upper 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.320 section and then the windows run along and all the 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.880 way almost all the way to the tip of the nose. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.120 So that's kind of an easy you way to identify it. 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:06.880 The presidential plane is or the presidential Yeah, when the 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.800 presidents in its air Force one technically, but yes, that 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.279 is the plane that they use when he and staff 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.920 are traveling around. Is it the double decker ones? It's 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.680 not truly double decker. I mean it's it's like the 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.120 British Airways one where there's like a little first class 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.920 cabin behind and then it's everybody, all us pleads down below. Correct, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:26.560 there's like a yeah when you look at it, there's 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.920 maybe a dozen or so windows up there. Some of 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.080 the later versions they actually elongated the bulbs, you know, 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:33.760 to where it is a little more double decker you 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.160 looking and more. I just think that's like the British 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.200 Airways from like the early two thousands. Is like what 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.080 I think of when I think of this plane? Got it? 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:43.800 Got it? You want to see a weird one with 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.360 a bull John Look up pictures. I don't want to 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.760 see anything weird with bull No, no, no, no no. Look 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:52.720 at the Dreamliner. That plane in the world, the one 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:56.240 that are not the Dreamliner, it's the what is the 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.320 newest plane that Boeing is. Well, what is that? They 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.800 have a name for the plane that carries the parts 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.800 of the Dreamliners around, and yeah it is. It is 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.680 literally a seven four seven with another seven four seven 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:16.000 stacked on top of it. Crazy looking. If you want 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.520 to see a weird plane, look that thing up. But 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.480 we were already way off topic. It's gonna be a 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.800 long show, as I said. The plane was scheduled to 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:28.360 leave JFK at seven o'clock, but it was delayed because 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.160 of mechanical issues with engine number three. It was about 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:36.040 to explode no, but eventually the ground crew fixed the 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.400 issue and at eight o two pm it was given 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.800 clearance to leave the gate, and at eight nine pm 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:47.200 t w A Flight eight left the ground. It followed 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:51.240 its expected flight path by heading briefly south. And if 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:55.360 you don't know, JFK International Airport is right on the ocean, 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.240 so they almost immediately when they head south, they're out 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.360 over the Atlantic Ocean. So this all takes place over 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:05.160 the ocean. But they go south very briefly, and then 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:09.560 they change heading and they go into generally east northeast 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:14.600 rely trajectory of Long Island. That's actually a flight path 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:20.320 of eight hunter takes it right past Plumb Island. I 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:26.400 didn't notice that one. Does it matter which engine is 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.360 engine number three? It does not. That actually doesn't officially 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.400 doesn't play into anything. Yeah, no, totally. Um so the 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:38.240 but the plane takes off and the flight time lasts 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:44.280 for about thirteen minutes. Now, it's a nice July evening 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.760 in New York, so of course there's quite a few 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:50.400 people out and about, and at the time that flight 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.800 eight hundred or two eight hundred is in the air, 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.560 seven or eight hundred people are out and about and 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.560 happy to be looking in the direction of where the 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:03.079 plane would be flying along the coastline. And these people 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.600 reported that at eight thirty one pm they saw some 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.439 of them, I should say, not all of these people, 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:13.240 not all, not more like around fifty to a hundred, 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.880 depending on the accountings, but they reported that they saw 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:22.800 something rising from the horizon on a generally upward trajectory 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.280 exactly like that was the thing. I looked at my 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:29.160 clock and they were like, it was like eight thirty one. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.880 You know that it's been pinned down that way. Okay, 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.920 but let's just say a lot of these people, I 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:36.520 mean some of them were like standing on the beach 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.440 on Long Island. Some of them were like, you know 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.400 way Inland might like, you know, ten miles in that 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.240 kind of thing. So they're all over something rising from 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.280 the horizon is different for for the guy that was 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.680 like a new you know way up in Brooklyn versus 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.319 the guy that was standing on the beach on Long Island. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.600 That's absolutely credibly different things. Yeah. Yeah, though that that 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.079 does play apart that will actually come on in our 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:05.000 fairy section. Yeah. Um. Now to to address what Joe 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.000 says in terms of like what these things would look 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.600 like from different perspectives, some of these people said they 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.200 thought it looked like a distress flare. Others said they 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.800 thought it looked like cheap fireworks. Uh, and a number 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.920 of people actually said they thought it looked like a 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:22.880 missile um flying up into the sky. And they described 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.440 is a bright white light that came up from the 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:31.240 horizon a light, Yeah, there is a red light. Yeah, 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.560 it changes color, but it again, it went generally upwards 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.280 or in some instances upwards and then kind of at 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:42.160 a forty five degree angle. So there's a lot of 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.640 it's very loose in terms of exactly what the flight 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:49.080 path of this supposed object was after a couple of 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.800 seconds of watching this thing fly into the sky, they 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.679 watched it suddenly erupt into a fireball and then plummet 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:59.600 towards the ocean. And after a couple of seconds that 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.559 fire balls split into two. It split into two pieces, 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.160 and then those pieces continued to fall into the ocean. 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.160 And that, of course was the explosion of t w 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.240 A flight eight hundred, And what they saw was the 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:19.640 flames and then it's splitting into multiple parts as it crashed. Now, 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.720 the people on the shore, they weren't the only ones 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.880 to see this happen. There were people in boats. I 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.319 would imagine a lot of people saw this happen, the 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.640 actual explosion of the plane, the actual event. There were 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.400 people who were in boats on the water nearby. There's 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.880 also a couple of pilots one I know, there's a 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.600 helicopter pilot from the Coast Guard, and a couple of 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.400 commercial pilots. There's a number of pilots that they reported it. 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:48.440 But the boaters were nearby and they immediately went to 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.640 the crash site to try to help. They couldn't do 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.280 much though, because the water was literally on fire and 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.439 if you if you go out and google this, you'll 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.800 see the images of pieces of wreckage floating in the water, 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.720 and there's flames all over because the jet fuel that 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.400 was on fire is floating on top of the water. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.280 And so these guys couldn't get in there to try 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.480 to help survivors, which was their aim, and you know 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:26.160 understandably that unfortunately. Yeah, actually, but there was a lot 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.040 of stuff floating on the surface, and as you can imagine, 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.239 it wasn't just parts of the plane. It was luggage 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.439 and it was bodies. There were a total of two 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.880 and thirty people on board the aircraft when it went down, 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:45.960 and none survived. So it's a very catastrophic event. And 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.079 at the time that it happened, this was the second 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:54.360 worst aircraft accident in US history. Five years no longer, 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.520 is I mean five years later with United Airlines Flight 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:01.080 one seventy five and American Airlines Fly at eleven again 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:05.199 five years later at eleven. Those numbers were massively, massively, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.840 you know, they just went down, They dropped down the 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.320 rankings very quickly. Well, yeah, so they can't they must 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.760 count like the total loss of life in those ones, 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.319 because I'm sure there were more people on the t 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.280 w A flight than there were on either of those 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.120 two planes. Yeah, I don't think those were stuff Those 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.400 were stuff full. But I do believe that it's the total, 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.720 the total disaster. I think it's the way it's described 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.240 that was a pretty bad one. Yeah. Um So, like 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.720 I said, there's people on the water and at that 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.400 point and a massive search and rescue operation is launched, 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.000 an official one, and police and civilian boats are out there. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:47.320 Eventually it's military vessels. They're combing the area. At first 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.160 they're looking for survivors. Once they realized that they're not 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.240 going to find in these survivors, they are trying to 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:57.079 recover both wreckage and the bodies of the people who 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:01.400 were killed in the accident, plus looting, plus an occasional 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:06.640 bit of looting. According to Yeah, I can't take full credit, 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.720 it's true. Now, Okay, So here's here's normally how this 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.440 stuff goes down. Is normally, when there's an accident with 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.920 an airplane, the National Transportation Safety Board, the NTSB, which 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:18.680 was what we're going to call him from here on out, 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.480 they'd comed it out to the scene and they'd investigate 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.400 to determine what happened, and more importantly, how to prevent 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.280 it from happening again. And I feel like a lot 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.760 of people may not really know that the t in 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.280 TSP is out there, but you've seen their handiwork. You've 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.920 seen reconstructed planes after an accident, and they're the guys 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.960 who do that. Giant bottles are Superglue is their friend. 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.840 They put these things back together to figure out what 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.720 went wrong so that it doesn't happen again. It's just 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:51.400 like a giant model for a kid. Yeah, just got 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.520 blood and stuff on it. But yeah, the wreckage of 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.680 flight eight hunt TTB flight eight hundred, it fell into 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.680 three rather distinct zones. This is the way that they 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:05.320 categorized it. They were the red, the yellow, and the 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:09.520 green zones. The red zone is was basically directly underneath 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:13.000 where the explosion happened. Uh. This and this is important 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.200 if you ever go in and read the documentation from 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:20.280 the NTSB and their official their final report UM, and 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:24.720 of course the conspiracy documentaries will make reference to it. Uh. 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:29.240 The yellow zone was very small and in the god 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:33.200 it was the eastern corner of the red zone sort 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.880 of that was kind of like in the northeastern corner 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:37.800 of Yeah, yeah, it's it's kind of hard to tell 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:41.440 in their little drawing. And then the farthest east would 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.840 be the green zone. It was obviously much farther along 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.240 than either of them. The front of the plane was 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.040 in the red zone, so that's the first zone. A 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.520 little bit more of the plane right around where the 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.680 wings joined the body of the plane, that section that 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.960 was in the yellow zone, and then every think we're there, 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.840 so the tail, the wings, the majority of the fuselage 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.640 of the plane were actually in the green zone. That's 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.960 very counterintuitive to me, isn't it. It is, And we 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.240 will talk about that, Okay, I know, I know, yeah, 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:16.800 And I want to make sure that I'm pointing that 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.040 out because I don't know that people are necessarily tracking. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.440 The plane was headed east and but the front of 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:28.160 the plane landed most westerly, correct, Okay, yeah, most westerly. 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:34.320 We're pretty sure that's technical term, it's the nautical term. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.440 So we talked about all those folks that were out 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.080 there and and saw this light come up from the horizon, 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.920 and they saw the explosion, and they were not shy 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:48.200 about telling the authorities that they had seen something like this, 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.360 and because that shouldn't be happening, and that of course 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.200 got the attention of the U. S. Government, most specifically 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:58.880 the FBI. The thing is is that this, you know, 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.240 what they describe, makes everybody wonder if this was an 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.800 act of terror, if this plane was brought down intentionally. Well, 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.480 you know, I gotta tell you, it was before the 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.520 reports of possible missiles came out. I mean I was 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:13.679 that night. I was talking to a friend on the 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.359 phone because I was alive when this happened. Believe it 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:21.840 or not, pus cognizant, but he's like, yeah, turning your TV. 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:23.639 There's a huge plane crash in New York and I 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.639 turned it on. This has just happened. They got helicopters 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.160 out there kind of there. Just nobody knows what had happened. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.720 Nobody said anything about missiles. And yeah, still he's said 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.400 to me, terrorism, you know, I mean he was, he 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:37.240 was dead share at the moment at that time that 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.280 it was terror, which is really funny when you think 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:43.719 about how you know, that's before the terror alert became 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.600 a thing. But everybody just like, planes don't just come 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.880 down out of the sky, you don't just yeah, they don't. 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.040 Just something had to have caused. So yeah, well there 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:54.719 and this is not like you know, everybody acts like 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.520 nine eleven. There was no terrorism before then, going to 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:03.000 say there was the original right then? Right, yeah, that 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.240 was I thought I was taking that, but I could 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.840 be Yeah, I mean around within a year, yeah, I 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.440 mean there there had been a lot of stuff. I 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.400 think the cob terrorists and towers attack in Saudi Arabia 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:16.800 had happened just right before then there and there had 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.800 been there had been a building things like what's his name? 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.560 Who did the Oklahoma City bomb? That had only been 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.639 a couple of years prior. So people immediately when something 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:29.280 of this scale happens like, that's not normal. Somebody did that? 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.439 Who the hell was it? And that is you know, 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.720 it's consider there looked, it's viewed as terrorism because it is, 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:41.160 but more importantly, it's considered as a it's crime, and 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:46.800 the NTSB doesn't have the jurisdiction to investigate a criminal action, 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:51.280 so the FBI had to come in. But here's the thing. 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:55.399 The behind therefore, TA is not figuring out what brings 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:59.159 down planes and reconstructing them. So while there may have 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.639 been a lot of carotterie in the beginning, according to 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.560 some people who were involved, as time wore on, there 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:10.440 was more and more friction through lack of communication and 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.320 different methods of operation and maybe lack of knowledge of 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:18.120 what goes on when you reconstruct a plane. Um, so 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:22.920 they're they're in there. Um. Now here's the thing. This investigation, 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:27.600 it took a long time. The FBI, they help out. 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.679 It takes about ten months to recover all of the 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.879 bodies and they you know, the ones that weren't on 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:36.880 the surface, we're about a hundred and fifty feet down. 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.400 And then the the plane itself right that that did 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:46.399 help out a lot in recovering those bodies. In seven 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.760 the FBI would come out, so this is a year. 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.320 After a year and several months, they would come out 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.280 and say, listen, we couldn't find any sign of foul play, 0:19:56.560 --> 0:20:00.880 so we don't think someone brought the plane down intentionally. So, uh, 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:05.160 we're closing our investigation. And in TSP, you're on it's 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:09.040 your show go dance. I mean, you know, it's likely, 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.000 they said, and if you find anything that contradicts that, 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:16.159 let us know and we'll come back. Maybe they might have, 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.439 but I'm sure if they were like and if you 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:23.560 find a giant missile hole. Let us know, and we 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.160 will come investigate some more. But right now we don't 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.280 have any proof of that. So we're tired of this. 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.480 We're leaving. You guys are a bunch of nerds who 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:34.240 are trying to put your thing back together. You do that, 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.280 We're going to go do other stuff. I gotta say, 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.440 you give it to give it. Some of my other 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.119 observations about the FPI ten months is actually a pretty 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.600 brief investigation for those guys. Yeah, really, I'm sure they 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.280 were just tired of fighting Paly quick probably be probably 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.080 a little bit of pressure from the government to to 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.800 probably you know, issue some sort of a fine name, 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.679 to put all these conspiracy stuff stuff to rest. And 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.280 you want that's probably the main reason. You really want 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:04.080 your citizens to feel safe traveling, especially by air. That's 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:08.080 a huge, huge portion of the economy. And if people are, 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.840 you know, for a year, sitting there thinking, but every 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.240 plane is getting shot out of the sky, or maybe 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.560 one plane, but it could be the plane I get onto. 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:18.159 I'm not getting on an airplane anymore. I don't know. 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.520 I didn't bother to do any research into the economic 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.200 impact of this attack. I get really had a dentity, 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:25.880 but you know what I mean, Like I think after 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.240 nine eleven people stopped taking airplanes for a while because 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:31.679 they were so scared, you know. So it was just 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.440 kind of I can totally understand why the FBI would 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:38.119 be like, we gotta get ahead right now. Thanks. Yeah, okay, 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:40.840 So I'm gonna I'm gonna speed things along here a 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:45.000 little bit because these investigations are very, very meticulous and 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.480 they take a long time. The NTSB would finally render 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:52.560 their findings in August of two thousands, so that's like 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:55.439 four years later. That's a long time, and there's a 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.959 lot of information. Like Joe said earlier, their report on this, 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.400 their final report is over three hundred pages long. There 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:04.560 was an interim report or two that were put out, 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:07.760 so there's there's tons of information out there. I'm gonna 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:09.959 I'm gonna try and cook this down to as simple 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.080 and basic or short of time as I can, and 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.719 we're still gonna be here for a while. So here's 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:21.760 what they say caused the explosion. A faulty wire. Seven 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:27.720 seven sevens, as with a lot of large aircraft, don't 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:31.360 carry their fuel in external tanks like you'll see on 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:36.679 some smaller aircraft. Instead, they stored in the wings and 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:40.840 a portion of the fuselage underneath where the passengers sit 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:45.080 the body of the plane. And it's just simple flight economics. 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.840 I mean, you don't ever see jumbo planes like that 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:52.480 because a big tank causes air drag, which slows you down, 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:55.960 requires more fuel to get where you're going. So it 0:22:56.040 --> 0:23:00.360 makes just total sense in terms of fuel economy and efficiency. Well, 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:02.119 you also put it in the wings because that's kind 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.480