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Speaker 1: to you by your local cat or dog shelter. Are

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Speaker 1: There's tons of wonderful animals, cats and dogs who really

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Speaker 1: And if you already have cat or a dog, or

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Speaker 1: and you can meet lots of cool animals and cool

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Speaker 1: people too. So hey, do it today or tomorrow's thick sargold? Well,

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Speaker 1: hey there, and welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways.

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Speaker 1: I am Steve, as always joined by and who's not

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Speaker 1: sure she's Devin, have you been replaced by a pot person? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I even know what a person is. I do. I

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Speaker 1: was actually going to say I think I'm a synth,

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Speaker 1: but okay, we're just talking different fandoms. It's fine way

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Speaker 1: it happens so much, at least in the movies. Yeah, alright, Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess we've we've got a lot to cover ground

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Speaker 1: this week we've got a big mystery, which is the

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Speaker 1: crash of t w A flight eight hundred, which I

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's big enough that the conspiracy theories

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Speaker 1: We're gonna call this a disclaimer. We've just talked about

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Speaker 1: how big this story is and how many theories are

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Speaker 1: Of the NTSP report itself, is like, what three hundred

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Speaker 1: particular wire is it goes into a bundle that runs

428
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: up into the cockpit and controls the fuel Quantity Indicator system,

429
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: the gas gage. It's they refer to it as the

430
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: f q I S, but it's the gas gage. And

431
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: because the tank wasn't completely full and the short is

432
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: going on, one of the pilots is saying, look at

433
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: these weirdo readings that I'm getting on the gauge for

434
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: the center wing tank. This is just prior minute or

435
00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: two prior to the explosion. Um and yeah, and and

436
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: when that spark arked, there was vapor fuel in there,

437
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: so it wasn't the liquid fuel but the vaporized version

438
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: of it, which is which is always flammable. I actually

439
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: watched the thing today, a guy taking jet fuel and

440
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: a lighter and sticking or a match and sticking it

441
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: in the fuel and not igniting, but as soon as

442
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: he missed it across the flame, it just it lit

443
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: right up. And they're saying that what happened is that

444
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: vapor hits that spark that caused the explosion, which ignited

445
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: the about three pounds of liquid fuel that was in

446
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: the center wing tank, and it tore the plane apart

447
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: just in front of the wings. So remember we talked

448
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: about in the red yellow in the green zone. Okay,

449
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: the nose of the front of the plane was ripped

450
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: off in the initial explosion. The following probably second or

451
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: third explosion or you know, portion of that explosion ripped

452
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: off another say, about twenty or thirty foot section of

453
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: the plane that included the shoulders where they join up

454
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: with the plane and some of the landing gear and yeah,

455
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: and well, of course and everything it was in that area,

456
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: but essentially and then this giant ring of fuselage, it's

457
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: just a big ring. And then what the NTSB says happened,

458
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: So it was the nose went down into the yellow

459
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: zone or the red zone, the second that thin that

460
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: portion went down into the yellow zone. And then the

461
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: plane continued to fly for a short time with its

462
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: wings on and eventually crash. And I know that that's

463
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: the crazy thing because a lot of people like that

464
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. I'm I'm on board with

465
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: this whole you know, the wings floated situation, but I'm not.

466
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't understand how a fire in the wings causes

467
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: an explosion that first tears off the no is and

468
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: then tears off this other people let me, I may

469
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: have glossed over that in the in the wrong in

470
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: a bad way. It's the center wing tank, the part

471
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: of the a tank that is in the body of

472
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: the plane, not in the wings. It connects the two wings,

473
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: so it's the center of the plane. It's between the

474
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: two wings. Center wing tank makes me think it's the

475
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: tank in the middle of you know, so when it's

476
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: in the body of the plane and it explodes. That's

477
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: why it popped the front of the plane off. Okay,

478
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: and it's in the middle of the plane from from

479
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: left or right the full width of it. Think of

480
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: as a unified structured right and everything just one solid

481
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: structure with Yeah, I got it, I just I but

482
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: I still am like not totally it's I mean, it's fine,

483
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: but I don't totally understand how the front two parts

484
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: exploded into like two different things, and why the front

485
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: you know what it's it's all in the way that

486
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: the fuel was and the explosion. It's it's fine. I've

487
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: read it a couple of times. It is still tough

488
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: to figure why. Well, and this is this is where

489
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: you can kind of see why, like people don't believe

490
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: this because it doesn't totally makes sense. I'm sure if

491
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: you are a scientist about something like this or an

492
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: expert in something like this, it does make sense. But

493
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: for like us, you know, Layman, this is like super

494
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: counterintuitive and still kind of like, I mean, I guess

495
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: that makes sense, but only because you said it's super

496
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: science e. So that the thing is is that it

497
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: does it is it does seem a little odd that

498
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: the entire nose of seven forty seven could come off

499
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: because of an explosion in the center wing tank at

500
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: the same time, that wouldn't be explained by the missile

501
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: theory either, which is unless the missile hit, unless it

502
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: was an enormous freaking missile, because everybody's talking about and

503
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: you're jumping a little head on duping ahead. But but yeah, so,

504
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,239
Speaker 1: I mean, actually, it's actually more easily explained by an

505
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: explosion in the center wing tank than although in theory

506
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: you can encompass both those things, the missile and the

507
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: explosion in the center wing tank. So as Joe has

508
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: given away one of our theories, actually multiple theories by

509
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: a missile, I'll keep my favorite theory a secret until later, okay,

510
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: so you can tell me whisper it. Here's the thing.

511
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: The NTSB says that from explosion to final crash, the

512
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: plane was in the air for approximately forty seven to

513
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: fifty four seconds. So explosion happens, that front bit falls off,

514
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: and the plane continues in a forward trajectory. They said

515
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: that it was after three to five seconds after that

516
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: explosion the plane rolled and actually started to climb, so

517
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: it actually went upwards, and according to their analysis, they

518
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: say that it initially was at thirteen thousand, eight hundred

519
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: feet just when the explosion happened, and it climbed to

520
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: somewhere between fifteen to sixteen thousand feet in elevation, which

521
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: is at climb that's three to sixeventy, which is weird.

522
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: But at that point the fire had continued through the plane,

523
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: and you know, then bits of it are falling off,

524
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: and that's why we've got the wreckage spread the way

525
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: that it is over the debris field. So when the

526
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: soaring was happening, this was before the plane broke apart.

527
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: Is that true? No, No, in front of plane comes

528
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: off and then the plane continues to fly and actually

529
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: rolls and goes upwards. I know, I know it sounds weird.

530
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: I was willing to say, well, maybe the pilots were like, wow,

531
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: we're on fire, and I think when they're on fire,

532
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: they're supposed to go up because there's less air, so

533
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: it'll maybe if they're at high enough altitude they can't

534
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: do that to extinguish it. But the pilots were already exposed, right,

535
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: But that's but that was my thought was like, Okay,

536
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: that makes sense that the pilots were like, oh, yeah,

537
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: I think it was Yeah, it was like, I don't

538
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: think there was fire and then explosion. Yeah, Now it

539
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: was just the the black felage of the airplane somehow

540
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: going like a hundred thousand, undred one thousand to two thousand.

541
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: Let's just round it out that way. Yeah, yeah, and

542
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: we'll get to it because I have some weird quirks

543
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: with it. Um. So the NTSB they say that, listen

544
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: those things that the witnesses saw, you know, that that

545
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: stuff going upwards from the horizon, actually that was the

546
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: plane itself post explosion. And what they say is that

547
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: when the plane exploded, it would have begun to vent

548
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: fuel which was on fire, which would create a white

549
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: cloud behind it. So the people who say they saw

550
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 1: it come from the horizon, they may have presumed they

551
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: saw it from the horizon, but it may have actually

552
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: been somewhere in the distance and not truly on the horizon.

553
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: And that weird trail that they saw was burning fuel

554
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: that would make that white cloud, and that they would

555
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: watch that rise upwards because the plane is now gaining

556
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: altitude before it then has its final explosion, which is

557
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: then the explosion they see and then they see the

558
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: plane falling and splitting as the fuselage is breaking apart

559
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: in the wings are shearing off. Okay, that's their official

560
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: explanation of what they say people saw. Now I I

561
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's I understand what Devin is saying,

562
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: because it's just weird that two thirds of the plane

563
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: should continue on. And I know, Joe, you don't think

564
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: it's weird. I'm I'm I'm in the middle of the

565
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: road on this, but it's a it's an amazing series

566
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: of events, and like we said, that's why people don't

567
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: really believe it. It seems just outlandish. One of the

568
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: things that I really haven't seen is that I've seen

569
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: a map of all the locations of the different witness

570
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: side things, and I read all the various numbers of

571
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: people have said, Okay, I think it rose from the horizon,

572
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: and other people have said, well, I think it started

573
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: about halfway up from the horizon. I want to know

574
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: where those people were, because I'm suspecting the guys that

575
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: the people who said I saw it come from the horizon.

576
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: We're probably well inland, and the guys who said they

577
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: saw it started about halfway. We're probably on the beach.

578
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: But I mean, we'd have to know. I mean, and nobody.

579
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: I've never seen any analysis of this. It actually tries

580
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: to break it out by you know, these people were

581
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: way over here and here's where they saw it to originate.

582
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: And I'd like to see that that would be very

583
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: interesting And totally had no idea the government even knows this,

584
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: and hopefully you would think they would have analyzed that

585
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: whole thing because it's a worthwhile piece of information. So

586
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: that's that's the end of this portion of the story.

587
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: By the way, don't worry. They went ahead and they

588
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: fixed in all seven four sevens that wire and potentially

589
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: that explosion happen. Yeah, I think they now now they're

590
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: pumping nitrogen into those banks so that the fuel vapor

591
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: canding night there was no air and well that was

592
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: the thing they were like, listen, it was July, it

593
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: was hot as hell, and they sat on the tarmac

594
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: for an hour, so no wonder there was vapor in that.

595
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: Plus also apparently the center wind tank is over there's

596
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: an air conditioning unit. Yeah, there's a big air conditioning unit.

597
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: This guy and so it's one of the major heat

598
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: sources on the plane. It's a huge heast think, yeah,

599
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: right underneath that tank, and so that's generated tons of

600
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: heat to that. Is that still true as far as

601
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: I was still there. They might have added a little

602
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: layer of insulation or something interesting. I have always felt

603
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: like the air on airplanes makes me feel really really nauseous,

604
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: in the same way that like having my window open

605
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: at a gas station makes me feel really really nauseous.

606
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: And that is maybe now connecting in my brain that

607
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: actually maybe it's because there was maybe a little bit

608
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: of combing. That's actually just the sedative that they pumped

609
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: into the airplane to keep the vaccines. Actually, yeah, I

610
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: think for me, it's just for me, it's kind of

611
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: psychosomatics that realized I'm just breathing in all the filth

612
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: and germs from no it definitely definitely yeah. Okay, well

613
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: that is the end of the story at this point.

614
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: As I said, so we should probably get into theories.

615
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: Let's look at the theories. Let's continue on actually with

616
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: what's from the NTSB, and let's go with the official theory,

617
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: which is it truly was an accident. One of the

618
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: things that the NTSB pointed out to back up their

619
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: findings was the cockpit voice recorder. And I mentioned this

620
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: earlier that the one of the pilots had talked about

621
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: the crazy readings that he was getting on the gauge

622
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: for the center wing tank. So they said, well, look,

623
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: that obviously means that something was going on because the

624
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: gauge was bouncing all around. Another thing that they would

625
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: say is that when they examined the skin of the plane,

626
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: you know, the the outside of the plane, they would

627
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: see no entrance or exit wounds on it, and there

628
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: were no signs of melted metal. And melted metal is

629
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: important because if there's a high explosive that impacts the plane,

630
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: it's going to create very intense heat, which is going

631
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: to melt the skin of the airplane and throw slag everywhere,

632
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, if you ever see a

633
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: guy arc welding, stuff splatters everywhere, beds all over the place.

634
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: And they said, well you should see that if a

635
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: missile or some kind of high explosive were used on

636
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: the outside to cause it from the exterior of the plane,

637
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: not happening from the inside. Now, what I really want

638
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: to know is what the spirk on Devon's faces, because

639
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: she is holding back really really hard. I just really

640
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: love that they're like, yeah, jet fuel. Jet fuel doesn't

641
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: melt metal like that. It doesn't have it doesn't leave

642
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: the same kind of patterns. It doesn't. I'm just saying.

643
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: All I can say is that I love that the

644
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: t s A was like NTSB was like, uh, yeah,

645
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: I know jet fuel, the that melta metal. Okay, that's all.

646
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: That's all I was sarking about. So here's now. Of course,

647
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: in their official explanation, we've talked about this a couple

648
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: of times, is that it seems really weird that this

649
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: plane rose after the explosion. I mean, if you think about,

650
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: you know how we've all made paper airplanes and you

651
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: throw them and they fly straight for a while and

652
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: then they nose dive. But if you cut off the

653
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: front I don't know, quarter or so and then chuck it,

654
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: they should just start spiraling down. You did this. You

655
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: did this in the office, didn't you. But I have

656
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: done this before. I've never done then cut the nose

657
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: off and threw it. Yeah, and was like, ah see,

658
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: that's actually my favorite theory is that it was actually

659
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: just Thor with his hammer an accident just cut it off.

660
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: Slops and that's why it rose, because the hammer was

661
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: still stuck under it and was taking it wherever. Well,

662
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, but I mean we I think we mentioned

663
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: this earlier. The reason that it seems so weird that

664
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: the plane rose is that by taking off the nose

665
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: of the plane, you're moving the center of gravity, which

666
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: should screw it up to a point that it should

667
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: not be able to have lift. But doesn't believe that.

668
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe that at all, because moved the center

669
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: of gravity backwards behind the wings drops the tail. I

670
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: guess what. I The reason I say that, though, is

671
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: that if the wings are still chucked full of all

672
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: of that fuel and you move the center of gravity,

673
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: the wings are now the heavy point. They should actually

674
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: tip it forward cause it to lift the wings of

675
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: the fulcrum of the plane without the nose, without the front,

676
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: with the wings of the falcrum. That's what the plane

677
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: balance is on when it's fully assembled. And it's fully assembled, yeah,

678
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: and so you take away that that half on the

679
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: right side of the wings, and then the other half

680
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: goes down. So the point is that the fulcrum can

681
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: never be the heaviest point, right. That's like at the

682
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: falcrum way, so falking can be allied, can be waity,

683
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter and so, but and so, because

684
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: it's all it's floating on. When it's floating on, can't

685
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: be the heaviest part ever. But that's that's the thing,

686
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: is that it's just to me, it seems strange that

687
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, but trying to remember also

688
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: that there is another reason I don't. It's also it

689
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: also has a hell of a lot, well more than that.

690
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they were at about I think thirteen thousand

691
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: feet and they just gotten orders from the tower to

692
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: go to fifteen thousand, and so undoubtedly the pilots and

693
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: you know, goose the gas, they goose the throttles, and

694
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: then the plane blows up. So they're there. You know,

695
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: it's going, it's it's powering up, going faster, and then

696
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the tail just drops because all

697
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: that weights falling off the front of the plane. And

698
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's gonna go upwards until it either stalls

699
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: or blows up. Yeah, yeah, I mean, so here's a

700
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: stat that might help. It's still I still struggle with that, Joe,

701
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to say you're not that you're wrong.

702
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, to be quite honest, but I do

703
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: know that the plane they have the ability the seven

704
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: four sevens to rise to climb somewhere between fifties six

705
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty four hundred feet per minute, which is

706
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: pretty good climb up. And for our folks who work

707
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: on the the Imperial System that we're on the Imperial System,

708
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: it's named after the things. Yeah, I know, I've I've

709
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: brain farted that would be seventeen hundred to fifty meters

710
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: per second or per minute climbing. So I mean, you're right,

711
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: it could have gone up, and it could have continued

712
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: our words like that. There is a huge amount of

713
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: thrust in the in those engines. And yeah, when you

714
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: when you take away that whole nose section, that's a

715
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: lot of weight. Yeah, that's all, you know, a serious

716
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: lot of and all those passengers too, you know, and

717
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: all the luggage and everything else. I mean, all that way,

718
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: it's just gone, you know. And plus the pilot just

719
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: goose throttles. So that the assumption is I don't know

720
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: enough about how planes work with like electronics and bold

721
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: that the throttle would stay open despite the fact that

722
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: the computer that's controlling the throttle may no longer be discomputed. Well,

723
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: that's That's the thing I don't quite get is that

724
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: is that I think that on those planes, I'm not

725
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: sure if they use cables or if it's entirely computers,

726
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: wires and everything. I thought that they had backup cables

727
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: and all kinds of things like mechanical hydraulics. I'm not

728
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: willing to venture. I don't. I don't really know, because

729
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: you would think that if the computer stopped communicating with

730
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: the plane, it would it would stop well accelerating. You

731
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: would think that that, you know. But well now at

732
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: the same time, though, I mean, you want the inches

733
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: to keep going no matter what. You don't want the

734
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: engines going, oh well, I'm not detecting the cockpit. I

735
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: think I'll just shut down over the mid Atlantic. You

736
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: don't want them doing that, true, but you don't want

737
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: them going like all right, full steep ahead, or like

738
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: whatever you told me last. But I'm kind of thinking

739
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: that they are probably designed to keep going no matter

740
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: what until until they get though, you know, hey, really

741
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: shut down a verse do something because you can't have

742
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: your interests just aside and hey, absolutely, I guess I

743
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: just think like there, but yeah, I know at all

744
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: in the middle ground that the value or the importance

745
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: of that maybe negligible, because remember, post explosion, we've got

746
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: about forty or fifty seconds of flight time, So it

747
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: could have just been you know, it had begun in

748
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: time and so the inertia carried it. We don't know. Um,

749
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: what we do know is that there is a ton

750
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: of radar evidence available that track the flight. If I

751
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: remember right, it's like three or four at least three

752
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: or four different radar locations were tracking the plane, not

753
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: just JFK, and they seemed okay. So there's a I'm

754
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about this a couple of times. But

755
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: there's a documentary that came out in about t w A,

756
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: and it's a bit sensationalist at times, but they make

757
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: a lot about the final moments of the plane and

758
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: the radar information that's out there. But that radar information

759
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: tracks both the plane and then post explosion, some of

760
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: its debris moving forward as it and then plummets down

761
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: into the ocean. Uh So, according to that, it does

762
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: seem to indicate that the plane did indeed climb uh,

763
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: and it it before it eventually would tip back down

764
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: and crash into the ocean. So or well, I mean,

765
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: both those things happen. Both of those things happened, probably

766
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: in that order. But another thing that supports their claim

767
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: is that there were there have been other aircraft that

768
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: were down supposedly because of this same issue or similar

769
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: issues with the center wing tank. UM. The NTSB they

770
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: conducted some tests and they took an old seven forty

771
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: seven and they pumped the center wing tank not full

772
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: of jet fuel, but god it was like propane or

773
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: something was an aerosol fuel and then lit it ignited

774
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: it and it was catastrophic. Did rip that whole poor

775
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: plane apart. Uh. So they were like, well check that out.

776
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 1: This obviously does very similar damage. There was two other

777
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: flights that they referenced in their report. There's UM which

778
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: it's the Avianca flight two oh three which crashed in nine,

779
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: and then the Philippines Airlines flight one forty three which

780
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: crashed in nine. I will point out it's a little

781
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: odd that I get why they included it. But the

782
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: Avianca flight, the one from nine that was there was

783
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: a bomb that that blew up and it ignited the

784
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: center wing tank, which they said the bomb itself probably

785
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: would not have been enough to take the plane down,

786
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: but because of where it was, it's set the center

787
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: wing tank off and that's what brought the plane. I

788
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: feel like they're test to have, like, listen, we've filled

789
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: it full of propane, which is it's going to ignite,

790
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: and then we ignited it intentionally with the igniter and

791
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: it blew up. Look it blew up. It's kind of

792
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: like those people who are like, this recipe sucked because

793
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: I used peanut butter instead of regular butter, and I

794
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: replaced the oatmeal with regular flour, and it was like,

795
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: it's just I think what they were testing is like

796
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: they wanted to see if if it would blow up

797
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: in this I understand. So we feel this was something

798
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: that's going to explode it it's a tank strong enough

799
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: to hold all that pressure in until it suddenly just

800
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: fails catastrophe. But that's only half of the equation. They're right,

801
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: they also have to prove that that one little fuse

802
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: could wire or whatever could also ignite on However, my well,

803
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: they were pretty sure prior to this that it couldn't

804
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: do that, right, but and so maybe that's the thing,

805
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: is like, that's the part that I feel like, I

806
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: have no doubt that if you put a bomb on

807
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: a fusile or on a fuel tank, it will explode

808
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: a plane. Okay, I'm not questioning that part of it,

809
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: but I am. That's what I'm questioning. And so that's

810
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: my big problem with this and that test they did

811
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: where they're like, yeah, we put a super explosive thing

812
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: in the tank, it exploded, the plane exploded, it's closed.

813
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: That's not the big question that you missed. The point

814
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: is not the explosive, iss the igniter, the method. Yeah,

815
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: and actually the I mean the their theory about that,

816
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: which especially is says there there's a very low voltage

817
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: wire that goes into a sensor in the tank, and

818
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: actually it is designed to be very very low voltage

819
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: for a reason, so it can't spark and plan out.

820
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: But apparently it is part of a larger harness that

821
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: and that included things like it goes back to the

822
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: fuel gage. I think it was also it wasn't the

823
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: cockpit voice recorder also on that same I think it

824
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: was all on the same bundle yet, and they had

825
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: and they were having issues with it also at the

826
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: same time, they were having issues with the fuel gage

827
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: readings and which which made them think they had a

828
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: short somewhere. And so it's actually what it was. The

829
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: thinking is that there was a breaker that should have

830
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: shut off and prevented that that that all that extra

831
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: voltage from that short from getting back into that low

832
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: voltage wire in the tank. And apparently I discovered that

833
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: breaker didn't shut down until kind of later than they

834
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: thought it should have, which is how all that extra

835
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: voltage got in there and sparked created an arc and

836
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: I lit that off. So that's that's the thinging about that.

837
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: I understand that as well. Yeah, I understand that theory,

838
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: but they didn't test that well, that's the thing I

839
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: don't know, did they did they test that theory and

840
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like it to me, but probably should have. Yeah,

841
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'll be honest, I did I While I

842
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: read a lot of the information that they put out,

843
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: I didn't read at all. I don't think any normal

844
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: human being in the time in the month that I've

845
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: been working on this could have gone through at all.

846
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: It's a lot, yeah, I think, But I think like

847
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: that that the thing where they blew up to seven

848
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: before they seven. I think what they were trying to

849
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: just find out was this, if we if we light

850
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: off the field in this tank, however we do it,

851
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: is it gonna be a catastrophic to blow the nose

852
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: off the plane. And we're agreeing on that. That's why

853
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: they did that particular experience, right, which is fine, we

854
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: are we're arguing that same thing. I'm just saying that,

855
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: like they should have done the other one somehow more important,

856
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: mean like con testing that circuit to see, actually that's

857
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: more important to me. Yeah, I agree they must have.

858
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean, of course it's the government. A Well, let's

859
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: let's move on because that is the end of the

860
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: official theory or the story. It was truly an accident.

861
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: So from here on out, we're gonna to a point

862
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: disregard some of the ntsb s findings because that's what

863
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: the folks who were putting out these theories are doing.

864
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: Where and when. I'm not gonna say when it's convenient,

865
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: but when it suits them. I don't want to be,

866
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: you know, negative about about this. But sometimes they're saying

867
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: that what the NTSB said is wrong. Sometimes they're saying

868
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: it's an outright, lie, So we're just gonna follow that path. Yeah.

869
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're saying they're a confidence. Sometimes they're saying they're conspiring. Yeah,

870
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: there's collusion, all that kind of stuff. So theory theory

871
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: number two here is that the plane was taken down

872
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: and it was taken down from a missile that was

873
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: fired from land. Uh And they say specifically they speculate

874
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: that it was done with something like a Stinger missile,

875
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: which is uh. The official acronym is the worst acronym ever.

876
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: It's a man pads, marble air defense system, shoulder mounted rocket.

877
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: It's really that's the simple thing it is. But theoretically

878
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: that's something that can easily be brought to a location

879
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: like the shoreline, fired and then thrown into a bag

880
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: and hustled away from the scenes, even like on a boat. Yeah,

881
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: I was I was taking of shooting up from a

882
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: boat makes more sense to me. Yeah, well the boat

883
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: thing comes up from a in a different theory. But

884
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: but people say, well, who could have done this and

885
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: why would they have done it? And their speculation, well,

886
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: maybe this was like an early trial run on the

887
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: part of Osama bin Laden or some other group that

888
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: we anger It's not like it's a new idea. You

889
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: remember in our Barn fifty two episode, we talked about

890
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: the Black September group wanted to take down an L

891
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: L jet liner in rural airport and they had Remember

892
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: that was that Barn fifty two? Yeah, not Barn No, No,

893
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: not not Bearing fifty two. I'm sorry, Argo, Argo sixty. Yeah,

894
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 1: it was fifty two. Was Vietnam. We're doing too many

895
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: plane mysteries. This is the hand anyway, that that was

896
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: the one where they actually got some some black market

897
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: missiles and but somebody, the guy, the guy that that

898
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: delivered him didn't didn't have a car, so they had

899
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: to go buy some rugs and rolled missiles up in

900
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: the transport them back to their apartment right of the

901
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: Rome subway system, rolled up in carpets. So it's not

902
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: a new idea, no no. But but the problem with

903
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: the idea here, if it was a rocket, a man pad,

904
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: a man pad, the problem with the whole thing is

905
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: that there should have been at least an entry wound

906
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: on the plane from where the rocket hit the plane.

907
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: Because it's high energy explosive, there should have been melt.

908
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: Like we talked about before that splatter or that slag,

909
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: and officially there doesn't appear to have been any of that,

910
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: but some people say, well that could have been hidden,

911
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: and there's some ways that that could have been hidden.

912
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about those in a theory and a half. Well, then,

913
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: since the government bodies were investigating it, yes, generally speaking,

914
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna move on to theory and or three. This

915
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: is a different way that the missile was launched, and

916
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: this is a missile from c but not with a

917
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: guy on a boat with a stinger rocket, but instead

918
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: it was launched from a ship that would be carrying

919
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: munitions like that a k A navy or coast guard

920
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: or somebody like that. And here's the thing is that

921
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: that changes the kind of rocket. It also changes to

922
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 1: a degree the requirement of that high energy explosive impacting

923
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: the plane, because not all rockets are designed to contact

924
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: with their target and then explode like you want a

925
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: fighter jet. You're not going to hit him, he's just

926
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: too damn fast. But if you blow up near him

927
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: and throw shrapnel, it's hot and fast all around in there.

928
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: And probably so this theory is saying that the reason

929
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: we're not seeing a massive entry wound from a rocket

930
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: is because it was high you know, I'm high tech

931
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: isn't the right word, but it's a sophisticated piece of

932
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: munitions that exploded and through this hot shrapnel and these

933
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: one of these little pieces is what punched through the

934
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: plane and punched into the center fuel tank, the center

935
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: wing tank, and that is then what caused that explosion,

936
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: and that's what introduced the the ignition source rather than

937
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: that wire that we were discussing earlier. Um and you know,

938
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: the the NDSB they said, well, listen, it couldn't be

939
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: a rocket because we didn't have any kind of trace

940
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: evidence on anything that would support that. This maybe could

941
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: be the reason why there's some things that we haven't

942
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: talked about. And again this is something that's brought up

943
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: in some of the documentaries. Uh. And that is damage

944
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: done to the I think it's the left wing of

945
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: t w A flight eight. The right wing pretty well

946
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: intact in terms of I mean, it's broken, but the

947
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: circumference of it was pretty well intact, whereas the left wing,

948
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: the top surface of it was shattered. And the NTSB's

949
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: official explanation was, listen, it was still full of fuel

950
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: and when it hit the water, there was hydraulic force

951
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: that pushed the fuel that was still remaining in the

952
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: wing tank because there's two tanks, but pushed it through there,

953
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: and that hydraulic pressure shattered the wing, and that's why

954
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: that one's all broken up, whereas the other one came

955
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: down in a different manner, and so they left wing

956
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: had more the right wing didn't have any fuel in it. Well, no,

957
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: I think I think it's more of think of it

958
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: this way. If the where it tore off from the plane,

959
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: if you if that were to fall and land on

960
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: that torn end first, then the impact with the ocean

961
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: and all that hydraulic pressure upwards would have to go somewhere.

962
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: But if the light wing were land at some kind

963
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: of angle or flat or you know, with the the

964
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: front tip in, that's a different impact. So it's it's

965
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: not the hydraulic pressure is not moving through the length

966
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, Well, our conspiracy friends say, well, listen

967
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: that that's obviously total bunk because the only way that

968
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: that wing could have shattered that way is if the

969
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: fuel inside of that left wing were to also have ignited,

970
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: and if they were hit with some kind of rocket

971
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 1: like this it could have set off the center wing tank,

972
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: but it could have also set off the fuel in

973
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: that left wing, and that would account for that shattering.

974
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, another question would be like, wasn't it dumping

975
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: all the fuel like while it was falling, but also

976
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: then somehow like landed and the fuel exploded out of it, Like,

977
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: you can't have it both ways. I actually I did.

978
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: After I wrote up all of my stuff that we're

979
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 1: going through tonight, I actually went back to the NTSB

980
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: S report and I started pouring through what of respects

981
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: I could get on the wing tanks. The wings hold

982
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: up to sixteen thousand gallons of fuel. Uh, that's sixty

983
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: thousand liters. I had to convert that real fast. That's

984
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: a lot of fuels, so in forty or fifty seconds.

985
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: If they were completely full when the accident happened, which

986
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: I don't know that they were to the top full,

987
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: they probably, but it could It's probably not likely that

988
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: it would have burned and lost all of the fuel

989
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: in that, but it probably lost a great amount of it.

990
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: So it does It does beg the question of well,

991
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: that's a lot of pressure to cause that, and even

992
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: if the wing was only half full, that's still weird

993
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: that it would have that with shattering going. You're absolutely right, Yeah, yeah,

994
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, then again I could

995
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: see if it's half full, all that liquids in the top,

996
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: then it hits and it comes slamming forward with all

997
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: that force, and you know, maybe bust. The hydraulic action

998
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: does some crazy. It sure does. But I do think

999
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: there are still some weird questions about it. There. So

1000
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: another thing that our conspiracy theorist friends who are putting

1001
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: out the rocket from Sea theory will point to is

1002
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: they will talk about the fact that listen, and we've

1003
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: been talking about this this whole time, is all these

1004
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: witnesses on land, but there are witnesses who were in

1005
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: the air at the time that this happened, and at

1006
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: least several of them saw the explosion of flight at

1007
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: t w A flight eight hundred. At least one of

1008
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: them reported seeing this light streaking upwards and making contact

1009
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: with the plane. He's not in the ntsb S report.

1010
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: That's actually one of the major complaints is that of

1011
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: all of these interviews that were done, a huge portion

1012
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: of them seem to have been omitted. And that omission

1013
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: or that having been cut out. People point to as well,

1014
00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: they're actively tailoring things to fit the nario that they

1015
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: created for what brought this plane death. It's hard, it's

1016
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 1: that's that's always like a hard one for me. I

1017
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: think you shouldn't omit things, but you do have to

1018
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: only include the credible ones, because when something this big happens,

1019
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people just want to be a part

1020
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: of the story and they want to say, oh, yeah,

1021
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: I saw something, well and totally I saw something, And

1022
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: it's like you have to deem if that report is

1023
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: credible or not, but also you got to include most

1024
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: of it. There. There are issues though, with the way

1025
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: that the interviews were handled and the modification of witness statements,

1026
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about some of this in our next

1027
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: theory that our next one. But there are people who

1028
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: say that like I never said that, I never said

1029
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: that's not what I told them, And they're being cited

1030
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: in the reports, Well they summarized, they didn't quote them directly.

1031
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: The witnesses were all over the place. The problem they

1032
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: figured rely and literally one reason you really can't you

1033
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: can't really have all that stuff in there because it

1034
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: doesn't any sense when we them altogether. It makes no

1035
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: sense whatso it makes it very difficult. You're absolutely right,

1036
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: But but that aside, what we still haven't figured out

1037
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: is whether this this was launched from sea or from land.

1038
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: We still don't really see a clear reason why to

1039
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: bring this particular plane down. It doesn't seem to be

1040
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: a logic other than fear into the United States. Yeah.

1041
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: On the problem with that is that if that had

1042
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: been brought down by terrorists, they would have taken credit

1043
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: for it. Nobody did. Yeah, yeah, that is that is

1044
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: the odd part. Um. Let's let's move to our next theory,

1045
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: and this is that it is a military mistake and

1046
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: cover up, I think. And we talked about the fact

1047
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: that in the beginning, when we were talking about the

1048
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,479
Speaker 1: civilian boats going to try to help, there were also

1049
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: military boats there in the area, and allegedly there was

1050
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: one military craft that was almost directly underneath the explosion,

1051
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: and it is seen on radar. Supposedly, I haven't, I don't.

1052
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: I can't read the radar tracks well enough to know

1053
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: this myself, but supposedly it leaves the area at high

1054
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: speed while everybody else is going directly to the area.

1055
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: So people say, well, obviously there was a ship in

1056
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: the area, and if it was one of ours, if

1057
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: it was a U. S. Military ship and it accidentally

1058
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: launched a weapon and brought down a civilian craft, well

1059
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: you know, no wonder they left well identified, you know,

1060
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: not that I have ever seen. Here's the thing, and this,

1061
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: this really this bugs the holy hell out of me.

1062
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: We've talked about this before. These boats and these ships

1063
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Speaker 1: have lots of people on them working every day. And

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Speaker 1: if if the military were to have made a food

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Speaker 1: bar like this, then you would imagine that they couldn't

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Speaker 1: keep quiet over it. How how fast is thirty knots

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Speaker 1: uh not? Not as like one and one eighth mile,

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Speaker 1: It's about and something like that fast. Yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: you know, if I saw a plane falling straight towards me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but if you realize that you launched a weapon and

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Speaker 1: then a civilian craft comes falling out of the sky,

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Speaker 1: I would also buggy on. After the fact, you would

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Speaker 1: think that these people would feel a responsibility to say, listen,

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Speaker 1: we screwed up in a big way and the military

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Speaker 1: has done this and they've had to you know, they've

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Speaker 1: been made accountable for there was uh yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's happened before. Well, it does happen. I mean, but

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Speaker 1: you're playing with dangerous toys. There's going to be accident. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing is, No, none of these guys, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the guy, the captain on this ship, the captain had

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Speaker 1: the Excel. All these these are not morons. They're not

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Speaker 1: like your typical criminals. You know, they're not like they're

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Speaker 1: not thinking, oh yeah, if we just boogie out of

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Speaker 1: here as quick as we can, nobody will ever figure

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01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: out that it was us. You know. They don't like that,

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01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, and they're not eight years old now, so

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Speaker 1: I can see them, like Deva says, you know, getting

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01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: the hell out if there's a fireball directly above you.

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01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: I can see them stepping on the gap yourself. But

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01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna stop and come back. But you don't hide,

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01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: you don't just hope nobody will notice. Yeah, although I

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Speaker 1: will say, um, you know, on a bigger scale, if

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Speaker 1: this was like a vast conspiracy that ranged, you know,

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Speaker 1: into lots of different organizations, it wouldn't be uh oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we made a mistake, but we're going to get out

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Speaker 1: of here. They'd be like we made a attack that

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Speaker 1: was ordered from higher ups, and we feel justified in

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Speaker 1: that because that was that was the goal, was to

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Speaker 1: take this plane down for whatever reason, and we will

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Speaker 1: be taken care of. Yeah, it could be that if

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Speaker 1: it was I like this, Serri. Actually it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do this and then we're gonna go out

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01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: to sea and we're going to kill the crew and

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Speaker 1: them over or maybe it's a you know, skeleton crews

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01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: behind killing and five people and you can kill four

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01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: hundred instead. You know, it's there, you know, the small crew.

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Speaker 1: But you know it's also it could be like, well, listen,

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Speaker 1: this is a covert operation. Is that's what this boat

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01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: is for. Its covert operation. There's a you know, mass

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01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: terrorist on that airplane. We're going to take him out.

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01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: There's going to be a few civilian casualties, but the

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Speaker 1: you know gain of life from whatever, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: whatever story is told could be there. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: this is a good theory, because I don't think it's

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01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,479
Speaker 1: a good theory, but I just think they're like, there're

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Speaker 1: a lot I can get there well, and and the

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01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: thing is so easily. If it truly was a military

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Speaker 1: vessel that did it, then it would take a massive

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Speaker 1: internal conspiracy of the US government's part to cover that up.

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Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of people are going on.

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01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: And one of the things that really gets people going

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Speaker 1: is the reported behavior of the b I during the investigation, because,

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Speaker 1: like I said before, they don't normally investigate aircraft crashes

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01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: like this um and a lot of people came forward

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Speaker 1: after the fact and said there was some weird stuff

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Speaker 1: early on in the investigation. Of course, what's happening is,

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01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, they're getting the parts of the plane in

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Speaker 1: to inspect and reassemble, and they start testing it for

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Speaker 1: explosive residue to figure out, well, did somebody actually shoot

1130
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Speaker 1: this down? And they start getting pieces of the plane

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Speaker 1: which you're testing positive for explosive residue. So everybody freaks out,

1132
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god. Except

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Speaker 1: then they decide to dismiss those findings because they say, well, listen,

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01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: these parts of the plane were underwater for a couple

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01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: of days, so there's no way they can still have

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Speaker 1: the residue, so that must be Um, oh god, what

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01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: is the word I'm looking for. It's cross contamination from

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01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: the military vessels that brought them back that of course

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01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: would be have would have unitions have that kind of

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01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: residue on down well, and also there were at least

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01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: some of the interior contamination was potentially at least acounting

1142
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: part the fact that they use that very plain for

1143
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: explosive training for dogs about a month before the accident.

1144
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: Actually that that actually gets a lot of ridicule because

1145
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: if you look at the timeline, that plane is sitting

1146
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: on the tarmac, it lands then and then within about

1147
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: an hour to an hour and a half passengers are

1148
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: boarding and it's leaving again. So there's a very short

1149
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: amount of time to do a dog training exercise with

1150
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: nobody else on it, but apparently directly next to it

1151
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: on the tarmac for hours was a completely empty seven

1152
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: four seven. So people say, listen, they were probably actually

1153
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: testing the other one, and they said they were in

1154
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: this one. But but even if that's the case, the

1155
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: thing was underwater for days. That's part of it, but

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Speaker 1: it shouldn't have been there. Yeah, but as part of

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Speaker 1: the explosive thing too. It's not even a very busy

1158
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: little seven forty seven like ours what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: That's some down time. Why they do maintenance on it

1160
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: and it which is a great time to bring your

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01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: dogs and your bombs on board and do you know,

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Speaker 1: do a little plane around. But like you said, too,

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Speaker 1: it was also all this stuff was immersed for a

1164
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Speaker 1: long period of time. I don't know what kind of

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Speaker 1: residue was left behind from a bunch of stuff burning

1166
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: on your plane, not not just the jet fuel, but

1167
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, seat cushions and luggage, all kinds of nasty

1168
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Speaker 1: stuff burning. And that's gonna be some residue too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily the same signature as an explosive, you know,

1170
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Speaker 1: But I don't know well, and you know, they're at

1171
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: one point during their investigation, there's a hole to do

1172
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Speaker 1: made of this reddish material that is found on the

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Speaker 1: seats of the airplane that was chewing gum. It's chewing

1174
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Speaker 1: gum it. It officially was figured out to be the

1175
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: glue that the seat manufacturer used to adhere the fabric

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Speaker 1: to the cushion. According to the there's a like I said,

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Speaker 1: there's multiple documentaries. There's one that came out in two

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Speaker 1: thousands seven or two thousand eight ish and it says,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, no, that's actually not true. That manufacturer never

1180
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: came forward and said that, but in the official reports

1181
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: that's what it says. There's also some things. There's more

1182
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: weird behavior on the part of the FBI. UM. One

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01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: of the people said that was involved, said that he

1184
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: took a part to the FBI to have invested part

1185
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: of the plane, said can you test this? They were

1186
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: testing for nitrates. Uh, And they took it in and

1187
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: the thing tested positive, and everybody started wigging out, and

1188
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: then the FBI shut him out and said, we have

1189
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: to ship it somewhere. And it's because we don't know

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01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: if this is real and the machine has prone to

1191
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: false positives, except the machine was state of the art

1192
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: and the guy who made the machine and cells it

1193
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, no, there's no such thing as false

1194
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: positives with this thing. It goes down to you know,

1195
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: so many parts per million to make this conclusion. So

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01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: there's like when McDonald's is like, no, our ice cream

1197
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: machine is down, when you know it's just the employees

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01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: just want all the ice cream for themselves. That's exactly

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01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: the same thing. Um. But I can see if you

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Speaker 1: did get if you did get a positive on this

1201
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: on this thing, you'd want to stip it off to

1202
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: somewhere else for more testing. But and so the thing

1203
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: that people say is weird about that is that there

1204
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: there shouldn't have been any difference between what they were

1205
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Speaker 1: doing on site. Also once it left the hangar, that

1206
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: part has been unaccounted for since then. So people find

1207
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: that to be very very hinky. You know, they lose stuff.

1208
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: You know, the FBI still can't put his hands on

1209
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: d V. Cooper's cigarette. They really, they lose stuff all

1210
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Speaker 1: the time. Let's see what not What else did the

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Speaker 1: FBI do well? According to investigators, they manipulated wreckage the NTSP.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about NTSB investigators against the FBI. Okay, I

1213
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Speaker 1: just wanted to be clear that we're saying that like

1214
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: one agency that was investigating it, one national agency that

1215
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: was in charge investigating is he's making allegations against the other.

1216
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Speaker 1: That it's not just random people on the internet saying correct. Well,

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01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: I heard this not in the comments section. So DSP

1218
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: investigator James Spear, he's been open about saying that he

1219
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: walked into the hangar at one point and caught a

1220
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Speaker 1: unnamed FBI agent using I think it was like a

1221
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: hammer on pieces of wreckage to change their shape which

1222
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: is just more than a little bit unusual when you

1223
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: want to keep things as they were when it's like

1224
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: a crime scene or whatever, exactly know what it looks

1225
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: like if you've modified its appearance. But he was, he

1226
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: was weighing on something. Is this guy sure it was

1227
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: wreckage and not just something else. As far as I'm awhere,

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01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: they only had wreckage in there. It wasn't like they

1229
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 1: were storing wreckage. And by the way, the auto shop

1230
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: was next door and he was working on his pondy

1231
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: another stuff in there. I'm sure they had their tools,

1232
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: they had their lunchboxes, there was miscellaneous others. I don't

1233
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: think he was fixing us. But so here's other things

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01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: that they out their allegations they have out there. Um,

1235
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: they say that David Mayer, who was the the ntsb

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01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 1: S or the NDSP, he's the NTSBS head guy for

1237
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: this investigation. He was seen believed to be coluding with

1238
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: the FBI, and he was going through the hangar and

1239
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 1: as things were coming in, they were being tagged with

1240
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: their location and know what zone did they come from,

1241
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: how did they get there? And he apparently was changing

1242
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: what was written on the tags, which is highly unusual

1243
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 1: because again that changes and says the landing gear didn't

1244
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: drop in first, he dropped in last. That would greatly

1245
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: influence your conclusion of the order of events of the explosion.

1246
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: So that has got people. There's a lot of people

1247
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: who just hate that guy's guts. They do not like

1248
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: him at all. I don't have an opinion on him,

1249
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: but they they go to some pretty great lengths to

1250
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: say some rather nasty things about him. But again, why

1251
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: why are they doing all this? Why are they hiding it? Well,

1252
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: if it's a military mistake, then that gives them a

1253
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: reason to all work, the NTSB and the FBI, to

1254
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: work together with whatever military organization it was to hide

1255
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: the fact that they accidentally took down one of our civilians.

1256
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: That I don't I don't see how how changing the

1257
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,560
Speaker 1: labels so it looks like I don't know. I just

1258
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: don't see how that really affects the outcome of the

1259
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: investigation all that much. I mean, I think it redirects it.

1260
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: If you think that a part of the plane fell

1261
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: off first, and then now you think it in the

1262
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: very beginning, and now you think it fell off halfway

1263
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 1: through the process, Yeah, that's going to change analysis. Yeah,

1264
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: I kind of I kind of see what that is,

1265
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: but it still doesn't take away the fact that if

1266
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 1: the military screwed up took it down with the missile,

1267
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 1: that fiscal evitage is going to remain. That's still going

1268
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: to be there. There should be and and people have said,

1269
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: listen the missile. Probably actually they're Okay, we're gonna jump

1270
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: forward and then I'm going to get into this, So

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into the documentary multiple missile theory.

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Speaker 1: But there's people who say that listen to missleton actually

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Speaker 1: explode in the plane. It just punched through the plane

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Speaker 1: from underside to top side, and that's what caused the explosion.

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Speaker 1: And so because that medal was torn and not ignited

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01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: and melted, they're not seeing it. And I'm using air

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01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: quotes when I'm saying they're not seeing it. Do I

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Speaker 1: believe that. I'm not on board with that. So, like

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Speaker 1: I said before, they're multiple times. Now there's a documentary.

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Speaker 1: This is the two thousand thirteen documentary UH focused on

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Speaker 1: the event, and it's I'm pretty sure it's made by

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Speaker 1: Tom Salcott. He's features prominently in it. He's actually in

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Speaker 1: the one that's from two thousand seven or eight. I

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01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: think that's the year. Anyway, I keep forgetting what you're

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01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: the older one was made in uh And he's made

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Speaker 1: allegations pretty much from the beginning. He was in the meetings,

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01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: the official hearings back in two thousand and we're taking

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01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: place on this. So like this guy is deeply involved.

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Speaker 1: What's his relation to it? Is he just an investigator?

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01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: He just took an interest in it and went from there.

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01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: He has he had no formal training yet to be

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Speaker 1: involved in it. Yeah, I think you're right, all right.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, but as we've already talked a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the fact that you know, he along with several

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01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: of the people, didn't feel that the NTSB and the

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01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: FBI were doing everything above board. And one of the

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01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: things that they used to say that something is being

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01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: hidden is the bodies of the people in the plane.

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Speaker 1: And I apologizing going to be a tadbit graphic here,

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01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 1: but the bodies of the passengers should have shown evidence

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01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: of exposure to extreme fire temperatures or extreme heat and

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01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: extreme pressure changes. And they also should have shown evidence

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01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: from you know, if they were thrown out of their

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01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:07,440
Speaker 1: seats or their seats disconnected from impacting other objects inside

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01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: of the plane and eventually impossibly the surface of the ocean,

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01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: and that should have followed a pattern which it makes sense,

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01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, in the plane and after they identified the bodies,

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01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: the guy in the tail of the plane is probably

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01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: not going to be burned, whereas the person sitting over

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01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: the center wing tank should have suffered extreme you know,

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01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 1: fired down of some of the other stuff, Like when

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01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 1: you're talking about trauma and stuff like that, it's like,

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01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, after this body has fallen like, you know,

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01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: thousands of thousands of feet and hit the ocean, maybe

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01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: been submerged for a while. Yeah, how do you how

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: the hell can you tell? I mean, I understand the burns,

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01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: you're going to recognize burns, but some of the rest

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01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: of that, I'm not so sure. But yeah, Well, the

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01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: thing is is that they're saying, according to this documentary,

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01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: they say that the medical examiner's stuff. I want to say,

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01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: it's fabricated, but maybe modified or altered because they say

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01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: the the conclusions. Because they're saying that there are bodies

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Speaker 1: that weren't burned that should have been burned, and there

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01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: were bodies that were burned that should not have been

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01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: in the plane that should not have been burned, right,

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01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: and the same thing with impact damage and stuff like that.

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01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: They really they go off on this. But if you

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01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: when I read things, and it took me several times

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01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: to really internalize this, the center wing tank is not

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01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:36,719
Speaker 1: the only thing on fire. The wings are venting fuel

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01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: and burning, which means the body of the plane is

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01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: the center of the fuselage, has got fire pouring down it.

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Speaker 1: So it actually maybe does make sense that some people

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01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: who were farther back in the plane are burned. The

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01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: heat sources and the other thing. You know, even if

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01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: that wasn't happening, if if it was a center wing

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01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: tank that was on fire and that's where the big

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01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: conflagration is going on. And also you know that these

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01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:05,839
Speaker 1: are people seated behind it well back and everything like that,

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01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: but the plane is still moving forward at a high speed.

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01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: What happens is all that heat is pushed back into

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01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: the plane, so the people actually it would actually cool

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01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: the people right next to the tech, they would be

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01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: less likely to get burned. The people behind them would

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01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: be more like barbecued. It's kind of the way I'm thinking, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with that, I just I agreed I

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01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: just agree that it's weird that, um, it sounds like

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01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: not everybody in like rows were burned, or well, the

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Speaker 1: burns didn't. Like theoretically you should expect that the row

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01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: of seats. So let's just say I'm making up a

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01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: number here, row A to F. They that all should

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01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: have had relatively similar burns, but instead only a B

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01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: and C of C or D and E of the

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01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 1: row behind him, and then you know, so it kind

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01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: of makes a stagger pattern. That's one of the things

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01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: that I've seen pointed out is that, like the injuries

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01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: and stuff seem to not be as uniform as one

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01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:13,600
Speaker 1: would you know, initially expect, But then again, explosions and

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01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: fires tend to not be uniform like pandemonium chaos kind

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01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: of thing mechanics. But also, I don't know, this makes

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01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: me think that if I fly to seven forty seven,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say it right over that center wing tank.

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01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: I always said over the wings because it's the smoothest ride. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's another good reason, because it's the full crimb of

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01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: the point no matter what's going on, and you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously we can just we can only hope that these

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01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: people were dead well before any of this. Yeah, some

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01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: of the ones in the actually survived from really hope

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01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: that the initial explosion was enough to, if nothing else,

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Speaker 1: render them unconsciously. Yeah, yeah, because otherwise it would be

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01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 1: a terrifying ride and then when that big wave of

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01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: searing heat comes back and you should stop there. Yeah,

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: but I agree, it is a little weird. Knowing that

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Speaker 1: there is some semblance of a pattern makes me. You know,

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Speaker 1: I initially when I read that was thinking like, okay,

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01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: so passengers in UM like A, C and E were

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01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: all burned, but like in B D n F, we're fine, right,

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Speaker 1: And that to me is like, well, that's that's that's

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01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: that Sherlock episode where it's just a plane full of

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01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: people who are already dead, Like that's how that happens.

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Speaker 1: That's the only way that happens. Right. But you know,

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Speaker 1: knowing that it was kind of like in this weird

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01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: maybe diagonal pattern, that doesn't bother me as much because

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01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: that I can understand how, you know, things could be

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01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: traveling like that. And also and also to me, it

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01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: does not indicate you know, missile versus fuell TEK explosion.

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01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't like you know, it doesn't make anything. It

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01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: doesn't make me think, you know, Kearis bomb or accident

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01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: or whatever. It doesn't change anything really. Well, the other

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01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: thing that really sticks in in sou Cut and teams

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01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: craw is the interviews with the witnesses, because we mentioned

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01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: this before, but the FBI did all the interviews because

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01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 1: this was still a criminal investigation at the time, and

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01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: all that was provided was the FBI investigators notes. It

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01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: wasn't as if it was a transcript of what was stated,

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01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: and so therefore it's already a slightly modified version of

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01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: the conversation. So they say, well, obviously that's not the

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01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: entire conversation. And they say that the fact that the

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Speaker 1: NTSB then declined to reinterview these these witnesses because the

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01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: NTSB said, listen, there's like five I don't know, let's

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01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: just say five hundred people were interviewed, because that's a

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01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: ballpark about the right number. There's a lot of people.

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01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm round figuring it, so round figure, let's just say

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01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: five are they want to talk to? But those people

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01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 1: have already been talked to once and now a year

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01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: two three have passed and memory changes, and that's a

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01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: lot of effort in time to track those people down

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01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 1: and re retake their statements and may have changed, and

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01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: they changed, and as completely as he is from that

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01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,560
Speaker 1: totally makes sense because also there's been a lot of publicity,

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01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: which is also good to influence these people's thoughts about

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01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: the whole thing. So yeah, it really makes it worthless

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01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: to go back and reinterview them all this probably should

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01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: have recorded or think it really was a little too cursed.

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01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 1: I you know, that was my initial question when we

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01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: were first talking about the case, was, you know people

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01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: reported they saw missiles. Well, did they report they saw

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01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: missile after they found out that a plane exploded or

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01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 1: did they just on their own think, oh, that looks

1420
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: like a missile, right, Because yeah, I saw something go

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01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: up in the air and then learned that a plane

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01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: had exploded, I would think that looks kind of like

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01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 1: a missile. But at the time when I saw the

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01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 1: initial thing, I might have thought that looks like a

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01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,679
Speaker 1: crappy firework, Like what's going on? People were thinking that.

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01:20:57,800 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: And also, let's not forget this was less than two

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01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 1: we exact fourth or July. But that's what I mean

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01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: is like that was my initial question was, And that's

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01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 1: that's so indicative of how that can change. There's so

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01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 1: much perception. And also, like you said, you know they

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01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: should have just the So so here's here's where this gets.

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01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 1: So this is what I so, this whole part we've

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01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: been talking about is the multi missiles theory, and this

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01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: this is the part of where Okay, well, there's two

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01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: things about Seal Cutt and the documentary that I don't like. One,

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01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: it bugs the hell out of me that he hijacked

1437
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: the last fifth ten or fifteen minutes of the documentary

1438
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: to talk about how his mom died when he was

1439
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: a kid. That was weird. But what also bugs me

1440
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: is that they start saying, oh, no, the plane was

1441
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 1: taken down by multiple missiles. The early documentary that he

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01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: was featured in says it was two missiles, and then

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01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: when you go to documentary, they've upped the annie and

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01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: they moved it to three missiles. And as far as

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01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 1: I can tell, what they're doing is they're basically figuring

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01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: out where these people were in time and on the

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01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: coast and then saying, okay, well, these people must have

1448
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: saw this one, and these people must have saw that one,

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01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 1: and they've assembled this timeline of three missiles impacting this plane.

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01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 1: Almost exactly at the same time, instead of saying that

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01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 1: the witnesses could have been faulty. And it's hard enough

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01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 1: sometimes for things to hit a moving object just one

1453
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 1: of them, you know, there's multiple projected simultaneously, that sets unlikely.

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01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: But but yeah, and and the thing about it is

1455
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: and and that what they're what they're doing, constructing reconstructing it.

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01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 1: That one it makes kind of sense because from the

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01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: advantaged one of some of the witnesses, well, it looked

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01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: like it was coming straight up from the ground. I

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01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: just said, oh no, it looks like it was coming

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01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,719
Speaker 1: out about a forty five degree angle from north to south,

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01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 1: and other said east to west, west to east. And

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01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: so you know, you assemble all that together, you get

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01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: the trajectories of what maybe we're three missiles or uh,

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01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of pieces of fireworks. Because again, we Americans,

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01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 1: if you don't know this, we like our like we

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01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: love to send things into the sky, and we like

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01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 1: things that go bluie. Yeah, we like. Yeah, we like

1468
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: our noisy, explosive, dangerous toys and our darks and cats,

1469
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 1: don't we know. Yeah, And so again to to less

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01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: than two weeks after forwards of July but there's still

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01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 1: some straight rockets out there that people had. Yeah, some

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01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 1: of that stuff going. But here's the funny thing is

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01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 1: that I was watching something this was actually today as

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01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 1: walking watching and they were saying, well, listen, if this

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01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: had been like a stinger missile, you know, something a

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01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: guy launched off his shoulder something like that, or even

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01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: if it was from a ship. Um actually more of

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01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: the stinger missile. It would have taken off and about

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01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: one or two seconds after it left the barrel that

1480
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 1: of the launcher, it would have began to burn its

1481
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: few will that makes smoke as it propelled itself upwards.

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01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: But you would only see that trail of smoke for

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01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 1: about seven seconds, and then it would exhaust that fuel

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01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: and continue on its trajectory unaided, you know, just under

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01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 1: its own force. But there will be no trail at

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01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: that point. So now you got another up to seven

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01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: seconds of flight before impact. And yeah, exactly, and these

1488
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: people recording the trailer going all the way up and

1489
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: then going boom. Yeah, the reported and and for like

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01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, in some cases like thirty seconds. Yeah, and

1491
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 1: again yeah, all these little all these little manpad type launchers. Yeah,

1492
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: like I said, they have maybe seven or eight seconds

1493
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: of burntime and that's just bam and so, which is what.

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01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: So that's one of the things that really really kind

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01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 1: of sunk the it was launched from the coast by

1496
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 1: a person theory. For me. What we have here, though,

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01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 1: is we do have believe it or not, we still

1498
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: have remaining theories. We're way into this and we're not bad.

1499
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: They're theories though, like Michael Jacks in Bad, I'm bad,

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01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, all right, well so bad. Theory Number one,

1501
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: according to Devon is the meteorite theory. I don't think

1502
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: this is so bad, I think, but she got it

1503
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: yea for once, you like to joke. I didn't like it.

1504
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,839
Speaker 1: I just got it, okay. So there's absolutely no support

1505
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: for this theory. But what it said is that a

1506
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: bull is it bull eyed or ball eyed? I thought

1507
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: so too, a bull eyed cause the destruction of this plane.

1508
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: And here's how it works is that a meteor comes,

1509
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, just shuttling into our atmosphere, heats up to

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01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,719
Speaker 1: the point that it explodes into a bunch of little

1511
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: bits like that one that I like, that one that

1512
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 1: blew up over Russia several years ago. This stuff happened.

1513
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: It happens every day, it happens all the time on

1514
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 1: varying scales, and they're saying that what happened is it

1515
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 1: was it just the right place and time that when

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01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: it exploded, those that bits of shrapnel that came off

1517
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: of it went into the the aircraft and that's what

1518
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: ignited it, and that's what set the entire explosion off.

1519
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: I would think that if this was the case, for

1520
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: as many airplanes as we have in the sky, this

1521
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,879
Speaker 1: should have happened more than justice. No, actually, no, actually

1522
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 1: it's I could see it being a one off thing.

1523
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: Really again, this is a really this if it did happen,

1524
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: would be extremely rare occurrence, extremely rare, and so I

1525
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: could totally The only reason I don't buy this theory entirely,

1526
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: Number one, there's no there's no proof for it, even

1527
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 1: though it's plausible as possible. But I think it's very

1528
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: unlikely that if had it happened, that the plane would

1529
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: have only been hit by by one piece of meteorite.

1530
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: That would have been hit by at least several, if

1531
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 1: not you know, hundreds, Who knows when boys blow up,

1532
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 1: I don't know how many pieces they actually explode into

1533
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,679
Speaker 1: I think it really depends on the unique one. Yeah,

1534
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: it totally does, I'm sure. And so you know, it

1535
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: seems unlikely to me that it managed only one piece

1536
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 1: hit the plane, you know, I mean, Bob breaks into

1537
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 1: four pieces. Why well, Tommy over there breaks into a hundred.

1538
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it really just depends on what kind they are.

1539
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: So it could be that it broke into three. But

1540
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 1: one of those things just hit it just right. Yeah,

1541
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: but it's unlikely as it is. I mean, sins things happen.

1542
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 1: If you look at the look at the surfaces of

1543
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: the Moon. Look at all those meteor impacts on there

1544
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 1: in a in a system the size of our Solar

1545
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: system and a target as tiny as our moon. It's

1546
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,719
Speaker 1: every single one of those dots on the Moon represents

1547
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: an extremely unlikely occurrence. Yeah, it did happen eventually. Listen.

1548
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: I know nobody's told you this before, but the moon

1549
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: has acne. That's yeah, damn it. Okay, I feels okay anyway, enough,

1550
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 1: But I like the theory, but you know, yeah, it's

1551
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: in practice. I just I have a really hard time

1552
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: saying that what's going on? But let's move the last

1553
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: theory in this which is that this was this whole

1554
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: thing was caused by electromagnetic interference. And this one is

1555
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 1: also kind of tough to follow, and it's all based

1556
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 1: on high intensity radiated fields UM, which is hi RF

1557
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: is what you see the acronym all the time. And yeah,

1558
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: if you read this kind of stuff, you see you

1559
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 1: guys have talked about this with oh god, what's the

1560
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: place that does it doesn't matter or it doesn't matter,

1561
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:39,879
Speaker 1: but it's basically it's the idea that, yeah, it's microwaves

1562
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: directed energy. So a microwave in your kitchen or office,

1563
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, common area is really on a small scale

1564
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 1: directing all kinds of high radiation or it's all kinds

1565
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: of high energy radiation into one very close area. What

1566
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 1: this is saying is that military vessels are able to

1567
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 1: act shoot beams of that at targets and disrupt them

1568
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: to a degree that they can disable them. That's well, yes,

1569
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 1: we can do it in a in a microwave, and

1570
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 1: maybe we can throw a high energy freak or high

1571
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 1: RF stuff some distance. To hit a plane at fourteen

1572
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: thou feet is just pretty far out there. And almost

1573
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 1: nobody tastes this seriously, except for the one person who

1574
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 1: brought it to the NTSB. I do not remember her name.

1575
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 1: It's scary, yeah, Elane Scarier scary, Ok, yeah, but it's

1576
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 1: Alane Scary. She's the only one who says they can

1577
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 1: do this. I know that the military can do stuff

1578
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: like this. Don't think it's on that scale, especially in

1579
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 1: nineties six, I don't. I don't know what they had.

1580
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: I mean, they've been working on things like directed energy

1581
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: weapons like that that can basically reproducing any MP pulse

1582
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 1: but directed at like an enemy fighter and fry all

1583
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: of us electronics, all kinds of cool stuff like that.

1584
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 1: Of course, we've got lasers are now they're not getting

1585
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 1: ready to start downsizing lasers powerful lasers and put them

1586
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,680
Speaker 1: on planes and stuff. And so we're getting to that

1587
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 1: point where we're actually gonna have lasers on planes. Wait wait, wait, wait,

1588
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: fighter jets are going to be going around for real. Well,

1589
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be more for development, like

1590
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: like like protecting against incoming rockets and things like that.

1591
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:30,719
Speaker 1: But it's still speakers on the plane to make the noise.

1592
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 1: They should they should at least for air shows. You know,

1593
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: they should totally install speakers on the plane for air ship.

1594
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 1: I think what they should do is install speakers, but

1595
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 1: they're connected to a microphone in like the dudes headset,

1596
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: so he's just in there. I don't know, I don't

1597
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't know about this story. All right, we've been

1598
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 1: doing a lot of the late let's do a throwback.

1599
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 1: Here's something that we don't do very off did preferred theory,

1600
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: I don't have one. That's what I was just saying,

1601
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:06,600
Speaker 1: is I don't have one. Yeah, my preferred theory is

1602
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: the short and the fuel tank. I think it's the

1603
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: best supported. Yeah, it really is. Uh yeah, because the

1604
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: missile uh, if the military had done in our military,

1605
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 1: there would have been an accounting for it. They wouldn't

1606
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 1: have gotten away with it. If terrorists had done it,

1607
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: they would have taken credit for it. So it's you know,

1608
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 1: really short, the short really working. Although again even the

1609
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:32,799
Speaker 1: anti speed does not say they're that that's what caused

1610
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 1: the expen and and remember they recover of the airplane,

1611
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 1: not all of it, and people have said, well, you

1612
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: put parts of it the wrong place, so that might

1613
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 1: not be right. So it's hard to say, but I'm

1614
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm mostly behind that it was an accident. I will

1615
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 1: say that I'm not totally opposed to the idea of uh,

1616
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 1: you know, high explosive kind of shrapnel bomb throwing something,

1617
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 1: but would have left a lot more puncture. But that's yeah,

1618
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing is that the other ones, you know,

1619
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,679
Speaker 1: don't line up with the data for me. So yeah,

1620
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 1: and then there was there was one subterry on that

1621
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: is that well, maybe one of those one of those

1622
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 1: excluding shrapnel you know, air interceptor bombs went off, but

1623
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 1: at one of but well went not far enough away

1624
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 1: and we're talking to regular bomb just like what we

1625
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: were talking about, but it went around, it went off

1626
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 1: far enough away that only one chunk of it hit

1627
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 1: the plane and that happened to punch through the center

1628
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: wing tank and blow the plane up. And and that's

1629
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: why you don't see all these puncture marks all over

1630
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 1: the plane. And the NTSP actually actually did consider that theory,

1631
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 1: and if you read the report they considered, I was

1632
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: actually kind of surprising all of the things, including the

1633
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 1: report that they considered. Yeah, and they considered it, well,

1634
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 1: let's face it, it's it's rather unlikely proximity fuses and

1635
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: those things, you know, I mean, uh, maybe a malfunctioning,

1636
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: proximity fuse and everything. I don't know, it's just a

1637
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: confluence of things. I'm very un likely things number one,

1638
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: the terrorists who have happens to have one and doesn't

1639
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 1: feel like taking credit for the whole thing. And this

1640
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: thing just happens to be defective and goes off way

1641
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 1: too far away from the aircraft it's supposed to be

1642
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: taken down. It's a lot of things. It's hard to buy,

1643
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, all right, Well, so let's let's finish

1644
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:19,439
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1645
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Speaker 1: this is a Christmas episode, So Mary christ Pacific if

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Speaker 1: it is, or if you're in Christmas or whatever, happy

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Speaker 1: Honkah or whatever holiday that you prefer to celebrate. Congrats.

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Speaker 1: And it's almost a New Year, so yay New Year crash,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you're not traveling. Sorry, everyone want to

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Speaker 1: travel by the ultra safe high speech right, Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: we'll get me a pack by shoot and get out

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Speaker 1: of here. We will talk to you guys later. By

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Speaker 1: guys to