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Speaker 1: Out with Sean Merriman. What's up, guys, We're back here
Speaker 1: with another Lights Out podcast with me, Sean Merriman, and
Speaker 1: uh we gotta special guest man in the boxing world
Speaker 1: today talking some bare knuckle though. For you guys that
Speaker 1: don't know, UM, I did actually sign up for a
Speaker 1: bare knuckle fight UM a couple of years ago. And
Speaker 1: I know everybody's indy, Oh, what the hell are you thinking?
Speaker 1: What are your other thing? Well, let me tell you this.
Speaker 1: I've been in over twenty barre knuckle fights before in
Speaker 1: my life and uh, I never got paid for none
Speaker 1: of them. So that's what we did back in Prince Orcani, Maryland,
Speaker 1: where I grew up at. Uh it was just part
Speaker 1: of the culture anyway. Got a former boxing champ here,
Speaker 1: Pauli Mala Nagi UM today it's just a UM was
Speaker 1: a great fighter, great broadcast or two by the way,
Speaker 1: and now's working B y B bare knuckle boxing and
Speaker 1: they got a huge event coming up, I believe sometime
Speaker 1: in July. So I'll let him talk about it. But
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great, man. We'll get into uh what
Speaker 1: happened with my bare knuckle as well. Were part of
Speaker 1: the country you are right now. I'm on Florida, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're in Florida. Yeah, I stay down here part of
Speaker 1: the time. Actually it's been most of the time lately,
Speaker 1: but but let's stay down here. Yeah. So, so are
Speaker 1: they still holding the bare knuckle down there? And um
Speaker 1: yeah in Florida? Right, yeah, yeah they do. Uh uh,
Speaker 1: I mean a Florida one of the first days to
Speaker 1: open up to Bare Knuckle, but not there's a there's
Speaker 1: a lot of action but going on. You know, I
Speaker 1: just worked on the y B Show last month and
Speaker 1: I'm working in one next month as well. Uh. So
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's getting a lot of popularity. Is picking
Speaker 1: up a lot of steams down here, and I think
Speaker 1: you can pick up a lot of momental see. But
Speaker 1: it's really exciting way of fighting, you know, short fights,
Speaker 1: a lot of blood, a lot of action, not a
Speaker 1: lot of space in there, especially with B I B
Speaker 1: with the trigonell. I mean about that because I'm trying
Speaker 1: to So it's a it's a triangle, right, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a tring. It's a triangle with ropes, So think
Speaker 1: about it. Think about a triangle. You know, when you're
Speaker 1: in the corner of the ropes are kind of close
Speaker 1: to you, you know, So it's not like a square
Speaker 1: where you can kind of slide from one rope to
Speaker 1: the other and kind of get yourself out of there.
Speaker 1: You're stuck on the corners, in one of the corners,
Speaker 1: and a trygon it's a lot more difficult to get
Speaker 1: out out of that corner than it is being stuck
Speaker 1: in the corner in a boxing ring. I mean, in
Speaker 1: the boxing ing is already diffult to get out of
Speaker 1: the corner, but in a try gun it's even harder
Speaker 1: because the ropes are tight in those corners, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you have nowhere to go. You can't slide
Speaker 1: off one side of the rope to the other. So
Speaker 1: what I noticed with B y B the first car
Speaker 1: I worked, every single fight ended in the knockout because
Speaker 1: between the band uncles you see a lot of blood,
Speaker 1: and the trygon doesn't give you a lot of space
Speaker 1: for any kind of maneuverability, you know, so you have
Speaker 1: to kind of know what you're doing and then fight
Speaker 1: your way out of those problems, or be smarter not
Speaker 1: get yourself into those problems, and not get yourself backed
Speaker 1: up too much because the trygon. Another thing about it
Speaker 1: is is not that big, so one too steps backwards
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden getting close to one of
Speaker 1: those three points in the ring in the try gone,
Speaker 1: and then you've got a problem. So, uh, it really
Speaker 1: was good action. I think it's really good for this generation.
Speaker 1: This generation kind of has that kind of has that
Speaker 1: it's a gratification. You know, their smart phones, they want
Speaker 1: everything at once. They don't have a lot of patients
Speaker 1: and there's not a lot really a big feel out
Speaker 1: process and the try goon. Uh, you don't really have
Speaker 1: a chance to do that. You gotta get right to
Speaker 1: and you gotta get right the business. So I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna have a lot of success, not for sure
Speaker 1: if you think about it, because of how it's how
Speaker 1: it was built. If you do slide down, the rope
Speaker 1: is actually pushing you back down to the middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, then you've got no joys but to fight.
Speaker 1: You know me, I'm always a kind of guy even
Speaker 1: want to think my bare uncle, but I'm the kind
Speaker 1: of got to use a lot of maneuverability and ring generaship.
Speaker 1: You know. Um, if I was to fight in a
Speaker 1: try Gone, I think somebody with my style would have
Speaker 1: problems because the trygon itself doesn't give you a lot
Speaker 1: of options for that. You know. It's really a very
Speaker 1: unique uh fighting surface, uh fighting type of ring. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: it's very unique and uh if you're not there to fight,
Speaker 1: if you're there to the waste time, you know, because
Speaker 1: again that's another thing in the ring, in the in
Speaker 1: the circle that I bought in with the KFC. Uh,
Speaker 1: in an octagon, you can maneuver a little bit and
Speaker 1: waste some time. You know. You can pick your spots
Speaker 1: to fighting and pick your spots to rest. What I
Speaker 1: noticed about the Trigon is it didn't give you a
Speaker 1: lot of thought that all those options. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: kind of pushed into a situation where you're either fighting
Speaker 1: or you're trapped. And then when you're trapped, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to fight anyway, but from the worst position. No,
Speaker 1: and I'll go back to even when you had you
Speaker 1: a bare knuckle, do you think do you think bare
Speaker 1: knuckle is more about skill or it's more about because
Speaker 1: obviously you're you're a more skill fighter when you when
Speaker 1: you had your last fight. Yeah, Um, I think I
Speaker 1: think it's about skill. You just it's just that, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you're dealing with the fan base is a little bit
Speaker 1: stupid and and the judges are a little bit stupid,
Speaker 1: you know, so they gotta kind of get educated in
Speaker 1: the art of fist to fifth hand to hand combat.
Speaker 1: You know. Uh. Actually I'm doing them at the service
Speaker 1: by telling a little bit stood actually really stupid they live.
Speaker 1: They're the dumbest fans of sports. But and then the
Speaker 1: obviously the dumbest judges too, because I don't think that
Speaker 1: the fight I had even one hand that I did
Speaker 1: break my hand, but I didn't think it was that
Speaker 1: difficult to judge when I watched it over. Um, I
Speaker 1: thought I wanted pretty easily, uh, despite the fact that
Speaker 1: I had to fight in a more tactical way because
Speaker 1: I ended up one handed. But regardless, Um, it does
Speaker 1: take skill. I don't know if it's gonna be appreciated,
Speaker 1: but it does take skill. I mean, you can the
Speaker 1: ability to hit and not get hit. You need that
Speaker 1: in any form of combat. You can't just walk be
Speaker 1: a punching bag and just walk through shots, although in
Speaker 1: bare knuckles the impact is not as heavy as it
Speaker 1: is with boxing gloves. And the reason I say this
Speaker 1: is because you cannot load your shots consistently with a
Speaker 1: bare nuncle fight. You are able to load up your
Speaker 1: shots consistently with a small eight or ten outs glove,
Speaker 1: where it's enough padding to protect your hands but not
Speaker 1: enough padding to protect the person getting hit. So therefore
Speaker 1: it is I think there's more traumatic brain injury risk
Speaker 1: in boxing and professional boxing, and there is a bare nuncle.
Speaker 1: So you do sometimes get the thing that some guys
Speaker 1: just want to walk through the shots, even if they're
Speaker 1: gonna get caught up and beat up and and and
Speaker 1: it does make for a lot of action. It's safer,
Speaker 1: but it looks more brutal. And so I think from
Speaker 1: that perspective and the fighters that fights are quicker and
Speaker 1: you get more action and people can enjoy it. I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's what they're looking for. Fox Sports
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Speaker 1: s R to listen live. When I signed on to
Speaker 1: do my my Barrey Nicle, fight. A couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: I signed him to do the other bullshit lead the
Speaker 1: b KFC another big uh C but w b K.
Speaker 1: I forgot what those plans were. They on Ken Shack Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: not the one with Ken Shamrock. It was another one
Speaker 1: that was gonna do that was in Wyoming, right, so
Speaker 1: I and I sned that was the first thing. So
Speaker 1: I signed on to do that. And obviously that there
Speaker 1: were a bunch of scumbags and promoter, you know, the
Speaker 1: promoters and all that, the owners of the league, um,
Speaker 1: and I end up suing them and actually you know
Speaker 1: one and went after them. You know something, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned that when I thought the b
Speaker 1: KFC fight, I think everybody, everybody unfortunatelybody gets grouped together.
Speaker 1: They had kind of given a bad uncle a bad name,
Speaker 1: those promoters, and they said, yo, make sure you get paid.
Speaker 1: A lot of guys didn't get paid. And then the
Speaker 1: guy Dave felt and assured me that he was like, NA,
Speaker 1: I'm not the same guy, I'm gonna pay you. And
Speaker 1: they did pay me to their credit. But I heard
Speaker 1: I heard about that promotion. Unfortunately gave that. I gave
Speaker 1: the whole support up bad start. It was, it was bad. Actually,
Speaker 1: they tried to lower my pay fifty nine days before
Speaker 1: the fight, so we already got a contract for half
Speaker 1: a million dollars. So I said, okay, cool, I was
Speaker 1: gonna fight Mike Board, right, So you know me, I
Speaker 1: had plenty of big bare knuckles, you know, for free.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean the locker room video playing over free.
Speaker 1: So in my head when everybody was asking me about
Speaker 1: the bare knuckle, oh man, you're crazy, You're crazy, I said, dude,
Speaker 1: I have been about twenty five ofties in my life
Speaker 1: and I ain't got paid for none of them, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and honestly for me, And that's why, and that's why
Speaker 1: I didn't like. I wasn't for me. I wasn't. It
Speaker 1: was smart for me because I wasn't gonna go find
Speaker 1: another boxer. I'm gonna fight you know, guys. Look, he's older,
Speaker 1: he's an old m m A guy. He's gonna big
Speaker 1: go these big, wounding punches, and he's gonna move slow,
Speaker 1: and I can move around him and get in and
Speaker 1: out of stuff and keep my distes keep tagging off
Speaker 1: on him. So for me, I was just like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just go and just mop this guy up, get
Speaker 1: my half a million plus and just walk out the door.
Speaker 1: It's light work for me. But you know that whole
Speaker 1: thing I was like, people want to understand on the
Speaker 1: on the bare knuckles side, as tactical it is. As
Speaker 1: tactical it is. You hit a guy in the right spot,
Speaker 1: it don't take much, not like, so you don't have
Speaker 1: to load up with him. Yeah. And also I feel
Speaker 1: like in bare knuckles you notice a lot of knockouts
Speaker 1: and aren't really knockouts. What happens is I think the
Speaker 1: psychology of people getting hit with bare hands, the blood,
Speaker 1: they they psyche themselves out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: When I was in there, even the shots that did
Speaker 1: hit me, it wasn't that many, but it didn't me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I felt like, honestly, I wasn't getting hit,
Speaker 1: and I felt like, you know, it does not you know,
Speaker 1: And like I said that, you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been in free fights. I've been in
Speaker 1: some street fights earlier in my life too, you know,
Speaker 1: um my high school days and especially I was on
Speaker 1: the smaller kid. But but I mean, it's not anywhere
Speaker 1: near the amount of pain that you feel with a
Speaker 1: hounds glove. I mean those those shots gett loaded off,
Speaker 1: those gotta know how to throw punches. Idea to me
Speaker 1: was a whole different level of pain when it was
Speaker 1: professional boxing, and I think the statistics will show that
Speaker 1: because people actually die in professional box people get traumatic
Speaker 1: injuries and professional boxing, so for me, there's no violence
Speaker 1: like professional boxing. But but it was a situation where
Speaker 1: it's mostly m m A fans, you know, And so
Speaker 1: because of the most Amain fans I think about m
Speaker 1: m A fans is and m A the emory culture
Speaker 1: is because their support is mixed martial arts, they think
Speaker 1: they have they hold they they kind of hold the
Speaker 1: final call in anything that has to do with combat.
Speaker 1: And when any what has to do is punching and
Speaker 1: grappling and whatever and whatever, boxing things know that what
Speaker 1: they're talking about when it comes to hand to hand combat.
Speaker 1: So the funny thing about there was, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you see m A fans kind of trying to be
Speaker 1: the bll ND goal when it comes to that for boxing.
Speaker 1: Fins will know better if the fight, if fight goes
Speaker 1: to the ground and you don't see a box ifin
Speaker 1: telling you all abou at it like you know what
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be this way, this way, but you
Speaker 1: do seem main fans assuming to know about the hand
Speaker 1: to hand combat that boxers really understanding. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where the whole, uh, the whole lack of good
Speaker 1: judging came in my fight and also the lack of
Speaker 1: you know, intelligent fans you know, uh. But I do
Speaker 1: think when it came to Baron uncle, they they had
Speaker 1: something against me that because it was never main judges
Speaker 1: unfortunately doesn't go into boxing, so they're using main judges.
Speaker 1: And I feel like because I abused their sport um,
Speaker 1: and I abused their fans and say people that you know,
Speaker 1: they wanted to kind of get me, and I gave
Speaker 1: them recently get me by letting that fight be close, um,
Speaker 1: but all the day was making abuse them more. I mean,
Speaker 1: you either know you don't you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about. But you know,
Speaker 1: when it came to that, h did you find did
Speaker 1: you so? You and you didn't end up getting to
Speaker 1: do it, That's what you're saying. No, No, I never
Speaker 1: I never got to do it, and thank god I didn't,
Speaker 1: because you know, you go. First of all, I'm not
Speaker 1: getting on the plane unless you know in my bank account,
Speaker 1: like I'm not going nowhere. That that was it, and
Speaker 1: that's that's what ultimately triggered me not not having to fight,
Speaker 1: because you know, when they told me why, I start
Speaker 1: getting word a few weeks before the fight that these
Speaker 1: guys wasn't who they who they say they were, And
Speaker 1: so I said, you know what, let me let me
Speaker 1: check on this. So I had them to try to
Speaker 1: put fifty of the fight person in in that's grow right,
Speaker 1: And so I said, you know, put it there and
Speaker 1: then I'll get on the plane. And then that's when
Speaker 1: they try to negotiate with me. And I said, guys,
Speaker 1: it ain't it's not happening, mind you. I'm spawring all
Speaker 1: professional boxers for two months leading up to this. Man,
Speaker 1: at that point, you've committed to the camp too, that's right,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm spawing with James the Beast Wilson. I
Speaker 1: got all these pros coming in there, and these dudes
Speaker 1: are you know, they got fifty plus fight till they
Speaker 1: go putt You're putting in that work, right? And then
Speaker 1: and then what and then for what? Right? You know,
Speaker 1: that's I always can't stand when the thing to fall
Speaker 1: things fall out of the last minute because you don't
Speaker 1: know the work you put in. Sometimes in your mind
Speaker 1: you already already spending the money in your mind, Like
Speaker 1: how we can't stand that because then because then it
Speaker 1: just all comes apart and it's never gonna hit your
Speaker 1: bain account. How do you feel about what's what's going
Speaker 1: on with this? Uh, this whole? Like I would do
Speaker 1: you necessarily call it boxing with Jake Paul and everybody's doing?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you classify that as boxing? Though?
Speaker 1: Is that like a freak show? You know? At first
Speaker 1: I said, you know, when it's a niche um if
Speaker 1: they generate the money to deserve the money, right, which
Speaker 1: which general gen con generally speak. Yeah, that's capitalism. You know,
Speaker 1: if you generate the money, you know, you're allowed you
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be paying that money. Right. It's not fair, No,
Speaker 1: it's not fair as far as if you live in
Speaker 1: a fail world. The guys who work harder and put
Speaker 1: in the work and all the better fighters get should
Speaker 1: get paid that much, of course, But unfortunately life is
Speaker 1: not fair, and uh, unfortunately the high skill fighters cannot
Speaker 1: be appreciated this same way. There's always the sayings told
Speaker 1: me ignorance. Ignorance cannot appreciate that. If you take me
Speaker 1: to an art museum, I'll see a bunch of paints
Speaker 1: on the wall. Sometimes they just throw a bunch of
Speaker 1: paint on the wall. Obvious that's on art, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And somebody talk you have that paintings
Speaker 1: work whatever, And for me, I don't get. I don't
Speaker 1: get how good you know. So so there's the same thing.
Speaker 1: Will combat supports I think the ly level of combat
Speaker 1: supports sometimes it's not appreciated because people are too stupid
Speaker 1: to appreciate it. And so you know when you got
Speaker 1: a Jake Paul and you got uh the logan Paul
Speaker 1: and you got up these YouTubers now, because I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what I could have. I could be okay with
Speaker 1: the log with the Paul brothers. They've got years into
Speaker 1: this now. But now it's like every social media guy
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit of a following, he's now
Speaker 1: wants looking to fight because they realize it's like the
Speaker 1: most popular kid in of high school fighting the other
Speaker 1: popular kid in high school. Nobody cares about the nerd,
Speaker 1: even if he's got a black black brother, and you
Speaker 1: just but the two more five ular kids in the
Speaker 1: school of fighting after school, the whole school's gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about it, right, So this is kind of like
Speaker 1: a high school mentality where these kids, these guys have
Speaker 1: a following. It doesn't matter if they can't fight. They
Speaker 1: got into five people want to see it, you know,
Speaker 1: they just go and find another celebrity. Doesn't even have
Speaker 1: to be a boxing which most of the time it's
Speaker 1: not even another boxes and uh and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know, you got fights that people want to watch,
Speaker 1: and you've got on the other end, these world class
Speaker 1: fighters battling with each other risk in their lives. You know,
Speaker 1: you can clearly see the talent if there's somebody like
Speaker 1: me who understands the talent level, but people can't appreciate
Speaker 1: it enough to order it and watch it. You know,
Speaker 1: so it's generating more money again, dumb generations, stuper generation.
Speaker 1: You know. So, um, do I think it's gonna last?
Speaker 1: I mean it may last for a while. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got had one of these guys who actually started
Speaker 1: thinking he's got Corey p actually started with me. He's
Speaker 1: like a TikTok or a YouTuber and had a radio
Speaker 1: radio show in New York and I feel like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna go away until somebody hurts one of
Speaker 1: these guys. Hey so so so tell me, man, what
Speaker 1: what's to tell me a little bit about the next event?
Speaker 1: Do you all got coming up? It's kind of four
Speaker 1: long ago in July the sixteen. Uh, all I can
Speaker 1: tell people is right now. Obviously band uncles new, uh
Speaker 1: b y p is new, but the band uncle, the
Speaker 1: sport of band uncle boxing has picked up a lot
Speaker 1: of momentum. A lot of people didn't literally believe in
Speaker 1: it when it first came out. You know, they started
Speaker 1: having these fights like now it's kind of it's kind
Speaker 1: of uh dated, you know they were doing a hundred
Speaker 1: years ago and after it's moved on. But you know something,
Speaker 1: and I said, I think it's really really good for
Speaker 1: the modern generation. Why do I say that? Because the
Speaker 1: modern generation wants that instant gratification, They want that sue,
Speaker 1: that that that that instant result. They don't want to
Speaker 1: sit through a fight where people have to kind of
Speaker 1: uh kind of uh, you know, you have the patience
Speaker 1: to see it on fold and understand attack of the
Speaker 1: aspect of it. They don't understand that and they don't
Speaker 1: know that. Um. But either way, if you look up
Speaker 1: B y B B y B bare knuckle extreme bare
Speaker 1: Nuncle on July sixteen, I'm sure it'll it'll come up
Speaker 1: in your search engine. But it's quick fights. I mean
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be five rounds, but the show I work,
Speaker 1: none of them last than five rounds. That try Gon
Speaker 1: is a crazy, crazy thing place to fight in. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, okay, hey, al right, my dude. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming old man. I'll let you get back
Speaker 1: to doing your thing. I appreciate you. Sean, Thank you, man,
Speaker 1: thank you. Thanks guys, listening to another lights out podcast
Speaker 1: me Sean Ramon and uh, how was that? You know?
Speaker 1: The uh, the bare knuckle look. You know, even though
Speaker 1: you know I have lights of extremee fighting and obviously
Speaker 1: I'm always talking to with me and uh, I also
Speaker 1: love boxing, you know. I look at barre knuckle is
Speaker 1: is a you know, you gotta have a stomach for this.
Speaker 1: It's one of these things that if you'd like to
Speaker 1: see it and and and you like to see uh,
Speaker 1: you know the viciousness of the sport. Then you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people watch it. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: also funny what to hear PAULI talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: Jake paul and when he thinks about the boxing world
Speaker 1: and how he looked at him and make fighters and
Speaker 1: so forth. So that was great, man. I appreciate Pauli
Speaker 1: for coming on. So thank you guys for listening to
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