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Speaker 1: And all out feud has erupted within President elect Trump's

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Speaker 1: MAGA base over visas for skilled immigrant workers. Trump is

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Speaker 1: apparently now expressing some support for the H one B

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Speaker 1: This comes after Trump allies Elon Musk and Viva Ramaswami

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Speaker 1: expressed their support for the program last week, arguing that

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Speaker 1: high skilled formed workers are essential for the US tech industry.

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Speaker 1: That had many in MAGA world furious, claiming the pair

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Speaker 1: were contradicting Trump's immigration policies and his America First philosophy

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Speaker 1: for their own personal benefit.

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Speaker 2: It's an inevitability that the hyper populist, non college educated

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Speaker 2: part of Trump's base, which is the plurality at the

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Speaker 2: minimum of majority, if you think certain arguments, we're always

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Speaker 2: going to be preconditioned to believe that the word immigration

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Speaker 2: or the word visa, always in their minds means brown people.

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Speaker 2: And so they have this belief that, you know, the

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Speaker 2: guy with the ged and his fake Oakley sunglasses, his

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Speaker 2: goatee and his pickup truck, you know, the universal Twitter

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Speaker 2: guy's thinking to himself, I could have been.

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Speaker 3: The senior and software designer at Google.

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Speaker 2: If only it weren't for DEI or immigration, it's absurd.

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Speaker 2: But now you see these people that rely on that

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Speaker 2: as a core part of their business, just like Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump does also, by the way, for service staff at

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Speaker 2: mar A Lago and other resorts.

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Speaker 4: You see this conflict.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna eventually, you know, the hyper populace. They don't

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Speaker 2: really care about the more sophisticated arguments about H one

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Speaker 2: their whole that's their whole driving conditioning they've had from

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Speaker 2: Fox for years.

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Speaker 1: I mean Steve Bannon called Elon Musk a child on

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk's own social.

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Speaker 5: Media platform over the weekend.

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Speaker 4: That's where things are are right now.

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Speaker 6: On the VAGA right Well, I mean, look on one

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Speaker 6: level that there's a there's a power struggle going on

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Speaker 6: inside of MAGA. But on another level, this is a

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Speaker 6: substantive there's a substantive dispute which is inevitable in a

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Speaker 6: populist movement that is now dominated by billionaire tech bro elitis,

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Speaker 6: and that's going to show up in a lot of issues. Look,

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Speaker 6: a lot of them OGA base has motivated by the

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Speaker 6: fear of immigrants and resentment against immigrants foreigners taking jobs

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Speaker 6: that they think that Americans should have it. And here

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Speaker 6: comes Elon Musk and saying that, yeah, there are not

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Speaker 6: enough Americans. Americans are and he endorsed the word retarded,

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Speaker 6: are just not smart enough or not skilled enough to

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Speaker 6: take all these high tech jobs. We need to import

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Speaker 6: foreigners like me. Well, clearly that's going to cause tension

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Speaker 6: in MAGA. This is a campaign that was based upon

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Speaker 6: fear of foreigners coming in and taking your communities, your jobs,

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Speaker 6: your women, all of those things. And so these late comers,

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Speaker 6: Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami really have very different value systems.

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Speaker 6: I think they have different agendas than the MAGA base.

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Speaker 6: So this is going to play out over a long

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Speaker 6: period at time. Right now, and to no one's surprised,

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump is siding with you know, the billionaire tech bros.

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Speaker 6: But the base is not going to change its position

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Speaker 6: on immigration. And sometimes, you know, ideas have consequences, but

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Speaker 6: so does racial demagoguery. And I think what was really

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Speaker 6: extraordinary was watching how shocked Elon Musk and some of

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Speaker 6: comes to Indian immigrants, and it seemed like they were shocked, like, wait,

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Speaker 6: we were supposed to be afraid of those immigrants. Now

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Speaker 5: We didn't mean that. This is the primal scream of

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Speaker 5: a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going

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Speaker 5: to medieval on these people.

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Speaker 3: Here's not got a free shot.

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Speaker 5: All these networks lying about the people, the people have

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Speaker 5: had a belly full of it. I know you don't

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Speaker 5: like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything

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Speaker 5: in the world to stop that, but you're not going

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Speaker 3: It's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: And where do people like that go to share the

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Speaker 4: big line?

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Speaker 3: Mega media?

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Speaker 2: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of

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Speaker 2: these people had a conscience.

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Speaker 5: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 1: If that answer is to save my country, this country.

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Speaker 5: Will be saved.

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Speaker 3: Or here's your host, Stephen k Ban.

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Speaker 5: It's Monday, thirty December in the year of Our Lord, twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty four, a weekend of a firef fight and much

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Speaker 5: needed and we've got a lot of stuff to get

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Speaker 5: to that. They we're gonna get to Speaker Johnson. We're

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Speaker 5: gonna talk about this, the bomb that was dropped by

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Speaker 5: the Secretary Treasury on the debt, right, new developments in Ukraine,

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Speaker 5: all of it. But first we have to deal with

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Speaker 5: the business at hand. I want to set the table

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Speaker 5: for this. Elon Musk is already surrendered, already surrendered. The

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Speaker 5: if you look at the arc of his you know,

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Speaker 5: this is from a guy who's gonna go to war.

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Speaker 5: And if ways we can't imagine, and this is the

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Speaker 5: most important thing, we will fight to the death. All

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Speaker 5: this he in sacks, you know immediately with just a

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Speaker 5: little pressure. Oh yeah, needs reforming. And we're just talking

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Speaker 5: about the point zero zero one percent we got to

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Speaker 5: skilled immigrant workers, the high skilled foreign workers. Let me

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Speaker 5: repeat this and for those out there, and there's a

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Speaker 5: small portion right now in the poll that's being done

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Speaker 5: by Sean Spicer's almost one hundred thousand people have voted,

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Speaker 5: and our position has two thirds of the vote and

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Speaker 5: the other position has one thirty And only reason has

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Speaker 5: one third is that folks haven't looked under the hood

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Speaker 5: here so let me repeat this. The H one B

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Speaker 5: VISA program is a total and complete scam to destroy

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Speaker 5: the American worker because naturally capitalists always want to they

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Speaker 5: always want to pay the cheapest wages. That's just the

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that is wrong. What I'm saying is

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Speaker 5: that when you have an America First movement and that

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Speaker 5: American citizen. Then your perspective changes. We have called and

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Speaker 5: they have not shown us one. I have not seen

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Speaker 5: one example of the millions, and these are millions. I

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Speaker 5: have not seen one example. And if they had examples,

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Speaker 5: they'd be rubbing your nose. And it's like Rachel Maddow

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Speaker 5: skill set of American workers. That is a bald face lie.

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Speaker 5: This is just about a compensation in indentured servants, basically

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Speaker 5: oligarchs of Silicon Valley. This is techno feudalism. Remember, they

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Speaker 5: don't believe in the nation state. What they believe in

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Speaker 5: kind of a network effect. This is like the Borgias

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Speaker 5: sociopathic overlords. And they've got a system that the politician

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Speaker 5: the polcal class are fine with because the donations roll in.

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Speaker 5: That's what you say, everybody this week. Oh this isn't

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Speaker 5: Oh but this is can't we all just get together

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Speaker 5: have group hug. You're either going to learn how to

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Speaker 5: taking money from people saying you're fighting. This is the

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Speaker 5: core fifteen million they let in for low skilled workers. Here.

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Speaker 5: They've been running this scam for decades for medium and

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Speaker 5: multiple fronts. Number one, the private equity. Remember, the private

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Speaker 5: equity is your money, the pension funds, your pension funds,

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Speaker 5: your taxiles. First off, they ship as many manufacturing jobs

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Speaker 5: import that here, and they're going to use this kind

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Speaker 5: of Oh, it would only want skilled immigrant workers. They're

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Speaker 5: not more skilled than American tech workers. They're not more skilled.

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Speaker 5: Show me, show show me the Let's see the resumes.

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Speaker 5: Let's see what they did. Let compare that all week.

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Speaker 5: We've been pleading, please show me. If they had a position,

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well we'll only talking about, you know, from

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Speaker 5: fighting to the death. From fighting to the death, they

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Speaker 5: went to Yes, the system needs reform, it needs reform. Yes,

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Speaker 5: we only want to point zero one percent. No, no, stop, stop,

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Speaker 5: and you're gonna tap us a long thing. We're not

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Speaker 5: gonna forget this. It's a total and complete scam to

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Speaker 5: this is the opposite of racism. What did I say

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Speaker 5: at the New York Young Republicans Club interview with the

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Speaker 5: And I'm not quoter's guy. I'm just saying, give him

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Speaker 5: South Asians. That's not racist if but American citizens should

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Speaker 5: white working class, take your pick. That's how you get

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Speaker 5: the golden door. Five years, will give you a green

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Speaker 5: cart and chain migration. Boom. How's that? So you're going

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Speaker 5: to be an indentured servant just like many of our

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Speaker 5: we broke indentured servitude and we're going to break it. Here,

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Speaker 5: here's our position. You're not going to reform it because

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Speaker 5: we're going to get a shut down all of it.

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Speaker 5: It should be the top. If Elon Musk's number one

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Speaker 5: his agenda is how to become the first train there.

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Speaker 5: our technology which they steal. I don't know, they say

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Speaker 5: six hundred million dollars a year. I'm just quoting with

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Speaker 5: studies show if you stop that, maybe they wouldn't be

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Speaker 5: a peer competitor in the East China Sea, in the

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Speaker 5: South China Sea. Let me repeat this and some people

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Speaker 5: there have been some people, as I put up some

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Speaker 5: office at Steve, we have to have a group. No, No,

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Speaker 5: this is central to how they gut it the middle

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Speaker 5: over years and years and years to allow American citizens

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Speaker 5: of every race, ethnicity, religion be gutted by the sociopathic

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Speaker 3: in a market economy, long term labor shortages don't exist. Why,

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Speaker 3: because workers will gravitate to where the demand is. They'll

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Speaker 3: go for the because demand creates higher wages, better benefits,

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Speaker 3: more job security. And they did Americans learned to code

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Speaker 3: men and women. There are more women working in the

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Speaker 3: eighties and early nineties in computer science than there are today.

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Speaker 3: So back to the H one B Visa and the

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Speaker 3: Immigration Act in nineteen ninety So number one this, I.

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Speaker 5: Tell you what. Hang on, Hang on, Mike, Mike, hang

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Speaker 5: on one second, hang on. I'm going to give you

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Speaker 5: plenty of runway to go through this so people know

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Speaker 5: I'm just not a raving madman. This is based on facts.

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Speaker 5: It's a total and complete scam, a con. It must

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Speaker 5: be eliminated one h and we need to give it

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Speaker 5: a Carthaginian piece. That's the piece we want. Bros. Tech bros.

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Speaker 5: Salt the earth around it, export, deport the foreign workers today,

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Speaker 5: Hire Americans today, and then we'll sit down. We will

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Speaker 5: have a discussion and talk about reparations for the American worker. Yep,

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Speaker 5: that's where we are to our word. You stole their future.

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Speaker 5: So we're gonna try to get a little bit back

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Speaker 5: here in the warm short breaks. Your host Stephen k back, okay,

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Speaker 5: Kevin Lynn's gonna jump back in her second. Alison hun

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Speaker 5: is also here. She's gonna join us. I've got the

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Speaker 5: great will Upton Will was over the Treasury Department in

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Speaker 5: President Trump's first term, and hopefully, if we're successful, Will

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Speaker 5: will be somewhere in the senior position in the second term.

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Speaker 5: Will joins us one of the senior guys over the

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Speaker 5: National Pulse. You've done some analysis, so Cain put up

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Speaker 5: this report that blew everybody away over the weekend. It

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Speaker 5: turns out there may be some technical issues with the report,

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Speaker 5: and of course the guys that are saying, oh, we

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Speaker 5: just need to reform her all over that, but it's

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Speaker 5: really not that important your assessment. You've gone through this

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Speaker 5: and you've gone through the real data, Will, and you're

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Speaker 5: a numbers guy from Treasury. Just walk me through. I say,

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Speaker 5: the H one bv's is a totally complete scam. But

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Speaker 5: I want people to know the scale of this and

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Speaker 5: what we're sitting on right now. Can you just walk

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Speaker 5: us through a brief summary of your finding, sir, Yes, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I pulled data from the fiscal year twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: three year report from the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services,

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Speaker 4: so they're the ones that oversee these visa applications USCIS.

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Speaker 4: This is the most recent data we have from the government.

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Speaker 4: There were a total of a little over three hundred

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Speaker 4: and eighty six thousand, five hundred and fifty nine requests

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Speaker 4: for H one B visas three hundred and eighty six,

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Speaker 4: three hundred and eighteen were approved. So you even approve

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Speaker 4: a right of about ninety nine point nine percent grant.

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Speaker 4: This is an environment where the Department of Justice has

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Speaker 4: fined you know, Cognizant and Infhosis and some of these

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Speaker 4: other sort of H one B mills almost where they

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Speaker 4: they contract these guys, these H one B visa workers

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Speaker 4: out to big tech companies, they find them that they

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Speaker 4: haven't shut them down. So this ninety nine point nine

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Speaker 4: percent approve rate is I think somewhat illuminating, is in

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Speaker 4: terms of, you know, what the scam is here. The

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Speaker 4: median income of these workers, according to the government data,

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Speaker 4: is one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars a year. The

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Speaker 4: Silicon Valley Index for twenty twenty four shows that workers

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Speaker 4: in big tech earn around a median income of one

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Speaker 4: hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars a year. That's, you know,

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Speaker 4: roughly a seventy thousand dollars difference. One of the more

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Speaker 4: interesting data points is that while you know, David Sackson Musket.

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Speaker 4: A lot of these guys are claiming that we need to,

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Speaker 4: you know, double or triple the amount of H one

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Speaker 4: B workers we have. In the fiscal year twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 4: there are actually four hundred and forty two thousand approved

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Speaker 4: H one B workers, and that actually decreased into the

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Speaker 4: end of the fiscal year twenty twenty three, which suggests

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Speaker 4: that demand for H ONEP workers has actually gone down,

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Speaker 4: that there isn't this labor shortage that they claim that

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Speaker 4: there is, and that a lot of these companies actually

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Speaker 4: don't need all of these But.

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Speaker 5: Hangou, but hang but hang on. They're always going to

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Speaker 5: want to get it because that's a thirty They're getting

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Speaker 5: labor thirty percent cheaper, not just at the hour I'm

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Speaker 5: going to go back to. But here's the central point.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to talk about the golf course pros

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Speaker 5: and the English teachers here. Yeah, that's all, But that's

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Speaker 5: all noise. It's a it's a huge offensive issue. But

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Speaker 5: the central beating heart of this problem is high tech workers.

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Speaker 5: Please tell me in in in these three hundred th

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Speaker 5: and by the way, that's just the ones that are

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Speaker 5: there today. Remember here's the con. They come over here

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Speaker 5: on this visa, they get eventually four or five years

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Speaker 5: of being an indentured server, they get a green card

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Speaker 5: than chain migration. That there are millions, millions, millions. This

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Speaker 5: is the con. This is the scam. Brother, I know

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Speaker 5: they're the best. David Sachs and Elon and Vivek tell

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Speaker 5: me that these are these are Einstein's these are all

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Speaker 5: the geniuses are there and they're American workers and I

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Speaker 5: quote are too retarded and too lazy to take these jobs.

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Speaker 5: Is the academic performance of these folks so blow away

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Speaker 5: that we couldn't even put up American workers against them, sir?

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Speaker 4: The government data says that's that's completely not the case.

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Speaker 4: Over a third of these workers have a bachelor's degree.

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Speaker 4: Only twenty two percent in the fiscal year twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: three had a master's degree. Only eight percent had a PhD.

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Speaker 4: Most of these workers have either a bachelor's degree or

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Speaker 4: some degree of technical training. But they aren't the the

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Speaker 4: you know, they're not like what you would see with

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Speaker 4: them with an one visa. These aren't the the you know,

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Speaker 4: the top of the top, the sort of cream delocrame

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Speaker 4: of of geniuses. Or anything. These are mostly just people

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Speaker 4: that are relatively equivalent to your average US worker within

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Speaker 4: the tech industry that has a bachelor's degree, that knows

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Speaker 4: some degree of coding or has you know, gone through

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Speaker 4: kind of a bootstrap kind of training program. And that's

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Speaker 4: pretty much the extent of it. They just get paid,

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Speaker 4: you know, seventy thousand dollars less.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they get paid to They get paid a thirty

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Speaker 5: percent less and they work in hell whole conditions because

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Speaker 5: they're indentured servants. We've allowed we're allowing this to happen

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Speaker 5: in the sociopathic overlords have no problem having indentured servants

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Speaker 5: that are taking the jobs of people that are citizens

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Speaker 5: of this country and her families have fought for this

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Speaker 5: country and built this country, and who's on their shoulders

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Speaker 5: lest the full faith and credit of this country. This

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Speaker 5: is the con This is a scam. Let me repeat,

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Speaker 5: it is a total and complete scam, from stop to bottom.

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Speaker 5: We're not looking to reform this system. We want its

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Speaker 5: total and complete elimination, and we want it at the

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Speaker 5: top is number one of DOGE. We want Doe to

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Speaker 5: say this has to be eliminated fully and we should

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Speaker 5: deport these workers today, and we should then hire American

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Speaker 5: workers to take their place, and then we can sit

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Speaker 5: down and have a negotiation on what reparations are for

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Speaker 5: stealing these people's future. Kevin Lynn, Hang on, Wilma, come

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Speaker 5: back to you, Kevin Lynn, your assessment? Am I too

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Speaker 5: far off in this?

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Speaker 3: No, you're not far off at all. Again, getting back

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Speaker 3: to how this bill was created, the Immigration for format

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Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety that created H one B visa. It

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Speaker 3: was designed. I used to say it was being abused,

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Speaker 3: but the fact is it was designed to displace American

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Speaker 3: workers that companies felt were expensive, undeserving, and expendable. And

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Speaker 3: they and the proof is in the putting here because

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Speaker 3: when they file what they call a Labor Condition Application

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Speaker 3: an LCA for a job, they won a foreigner four.

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Speaker 3: Unlike the H two A, the AG visa, the H

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Speaker 3: two B, the seasonal worker visa, they don't have to

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Speaker 3: in any way demonstrate that they couldn't find an American

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Speaker 3: for that position. Second thing, it's not a meritocracy. So

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Speaker 3: the eighty five thousand plus another roughly another thirty thousand

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Speaker 3: that come in every year on the H one B visa,

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Speaker 3: it's a lot of so someone who graduates, let's say

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Speaker 3: they're at India Institute of Technology, they get a PhD.

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Speaker 3: They have as much chance of getting an H one

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Speaker 3: B as someone with an associates or a B tech

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Speaker 3: degree from Bengalore Community College, and so it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: All they want are heads in a bed. As you

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Speaker 3: mentioned before, Steve, it's supply and demand. And again they

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Speaker 3: the corporations when they got together and created this program

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Speaker 3: with the corporatocracy our government, they knew darned well that

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Speaker 3: this program was being would be used to displace Americans,

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Speaker 3: and it has been companies like Disney, Northeast Utilities, Abbot Labs,

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Speaker 3: so Cal Edison, hundreds of others. So it's illegal to

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Speaker 3: replace an American one to one with a foreigner. That

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Speaker 3: would be well country of origin discrimination. So what they

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Speaker 3: do is they contract with H one B visa dependent

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Speaker 3: Indian typically Indians. Sometimes it's my old Alba Mater. Ernst

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00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: and Young is as big an abuse or as this

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Speaker 3: as anyone consulting firms that will outsource whole departments like

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Speaker 3: it departments, And what we've seen for two decades was

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Speaker 3: to get Like at Disney, a woman was called in.

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Speaker 3: She had been with them for twelve years, database programmer,

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Speaker 3: highly skilled. She thought she was going to get promoted

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Speaker 3: when they called her in, but they called her and

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Speaker 3: they let her know they were going to fire her

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Speaker 3: and she was gonna have to get a sovereign She

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Speaker 3: was going to have to train her H one B

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Speaker 3: visa replacement. This is how this thing works, and it's

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Speaker 3: it's gotten only more insidious. Again, it's not a meritocracy.

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Speaker 5: What even hang on, hang on, hang on, slowdown. Because

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Speaker 5: the Disney thing I covered at Brightbart we made that

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Speaker 5: was a big deal in the sixteen campaign. It was

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Speaker 5: horrible even sixty minutes finally wakened to the fact that

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Speaker 5: this was going on after we rubbed their nose in it.

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Speaker 5: But I want to go back to the because skilled

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Speaker 5: skilled immigrant workers, high skilled foreign workers, this is the

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Speaker 5: beating heart of it. And I don't care about the

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Speaker 5: other the teachers would get to that that obviously has

608
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Speaker 5: got to go away in the government contracts. It's it's insane.

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Speaker 5: Are teachers at VMI Virginia Military Institute. I want to

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Speaker 5: focus on the tech because this is the heart of it.

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Speaker 5: Are these high skilled foreign workers are the Are these

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Speaker 5: high skilled foreign workers are there's any skill set that

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Speaker 5: they're bringing now makes them more skilled than American workers.

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Speaker 3: Sir, No, these are very ordinary workers. Again, you wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have to train your replacement if you were far more

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Speaker 3: capable than them. And oftentimes these these fail like at

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Speaker 3: Northeast Utilities, they had they did that whole replacement thing,

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Speaker 3: but then they had to get rid of that consulting

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Speaker 3: firm because they didn't have the skilled talent. Ultimately, Uh

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Speaker 3: so these are not skilled workers. And you had mentioned

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Speaker 3: earlier the accusations of racism. Well this is funny because

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Speaker 3: seventy four percent of all H one B visa holders

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Speaker 3: come from one country, steam India. How is that if

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Speaker 3: if we're looking for the best in the brightest of

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Speaker 3: the world, how is it all concentrated in India? Excuse me? So, uh,

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Speaker 3: it's not the best in the brightest. Uh it's it's

627
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Speaker 3: a program that was designed to displace Americans right from

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Speaker 3: the get go. Again, it's not being abused, it's working

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Speaker 3: exact designed.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I want to I want to defend India

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Speaker 5: as one of the great ancient civilizations. It's got a

632
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Speaker 5: very deep philosophy, the Vedanta, the Gida, it on culture,

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Speaker 5: on and and by the way, the kids and particularly

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Speaker 5: I T. I T their equivalent, MIT is the hardest

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Speaker 5: school to get into the world. I know many graduates

636
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Speaker 5: are there, and and and they do have a system

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Speaker 5: that every kids got to win the spelling bee or

638
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Speaker 5: you know, perform in mathematics from a very early age.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of viveks you know, spelling bee culture, right

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Speaker 5: or Valedictorian culture, right, that's not our culture. Well, and

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Speaker 5: my point is if they go to if they hang on,

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Speaker 5: hang on, Kevin, hang on, if they could show us

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Speaker 5: by the people they hired that these were higher skilled workers,

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Speaker 5: are skilled immig than American citizens, you can have the debate,

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Speaker 5: and we can have the argument. There is no debate here.

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Speaker 5: The facts are overwhelming. They did it because the Indians

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Speaker 5: to get through the Golden door. Yes, will become indentured servants.

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Speaker 5: They will become indentured servants. They will sacrifice themselves in

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Speaker 5: the sixty thousand dollars and come over here and live

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Speaker 5: ten to a house and work non stop to go

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Speaker 5: through the Golden door and eventually get a green car.

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Speaker 5: Eventually get a green car, and eventually get and eventually

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Speaker 5: get chain migration and the of American society. Go ahead, sir,

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Speaker 5: keep keep going.

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Speaker 3: The indentured aspect is it's often downplayed because yes, they

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Speaker 3: are cheaper, But that indentured aspect that you mentioned, Steve

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Speaker 3: is really important. For instance, I was talking to a

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Speaker 3: guy who had about eighty reports to him at Cisco,

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Speaker 3: and he said, well, keV, at Cisco, we pay our folks,

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Speaker 3: you know, the same, and but what they get out

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Speaker 3: of it is a worker that is really compliant. So

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Speaker 3: if you're here on an H one B, you're here

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Speaker 3: for three years and then you can extend for three years.

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Speaker 3: Now baked into the cake with this visa where it's

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Speaker 3: not like any other employment visa, and you mentioned this

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Speaker 3: briefly earlier, Steve. It's a dual intense. So if you

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Speaker 3: come on an H one B, your employer can decide

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Speaker 3: to yes, sir, no, give you a pathway to citizenship

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Speaker 3: by sponsoring you for a green card.

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Speaker 5: He no, Okay, hang on exactly, Hang on, Kevin, hang on,

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Speaker 5: hang on, hang on. Where we get to take a break.

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Speaker 5: ed Doud hopefully in the second hour talk about the

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Speaker 5: what they're doing to chop block President Trump from the

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Speaker 5: get go. Short commercial break back on the total and

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Speaker 5: complete scam of h one b visus use your hosts

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Speaker 5: even k back. We're still waiting for the counter argument

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Speaker 5: that shows that these were high skilled foreign workers that

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Speaker 5: were more skilled than citizens of this country, skilled immigrant workers.

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Speaker 5: You see the mantra they put out, It's a lie.

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Speaker 5: It's not a tiny light it's a bald face lie.

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Speaker 5: And for you saying that, people out there, a couple

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Speaker 5: of people saying, oh, well you got you know, we

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Speaker 5: just have to have a group hug and you know,

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Speaker 5: don't distract. What are you talking about? Do you understand

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Speaker 5: the firestorm we're about to hit. Do you think on

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Speaker 5: the afternoon of the twentieth that these guys, remember I

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Speaker 5: was doing the podcast, and the guy asked me if

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Speaker 5: Sacks as co host, good guy this on election. He says, look,

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Speaker 5: it looks like you're gonna win to what you know,

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Speaker 5: the the deportations. That's not real. I said, yeah, it's real.

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Speaker 5: Fifteen million. He goes, all, you can't what what what?

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Speaker 5: He was gasping for breath, about to have a heart attack.

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Speaker 5: Don't even know if he took the vaccine. I don't

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Speaker 5: know if it's Meyer carditis or just the that. No,

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Speaker 5: we're dug in all fifteen MANI got to go home. Well,

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Speaker 5: guess what, all these visu's phony. They got to go

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Speaker 5: home home, and the job's got to go to America,

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Speaker 5: and hey, we'll put the resumes up. What American workers do. No,

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Speaker 5: But here's the deeper con to this. It is the

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Speaker 5: green card and then the citizenship and then the chain migration.

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Speaker 5: Kevin Lynn, walt me through that process, sir, because this

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Speaker 5: is the long con.

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Speaker 3: Right exactly. So the reason we call this indentured servitude

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Speaker 3: is the employer gets to dangle the carrot of a

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Speaker 3: pathway to citizenship in front of this worker. So they're

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Speaker 3: going to do whatever they're told. Let's say they're work

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Speaker 3: eighty hours if they have to, they'll work for less

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Speaker 3: if they have to. They will turn a blind eye

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Speaker 3: to any draft or corruption that could be going on

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Speaker 3: at that company that might deserve a whistle being blown.

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Speaker 3: So what the emplawyer will do then right about the

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Speaker 3: sixth year is they'll offer them a spot to sponsor

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Speaker 3: them for a green card. And when that happens now

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Speaker 3: with most people from most countries, they can they'll get

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Speaker 3: that green card in a couple of years. In the

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Speaker 3: case of India because of this, only because of this

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Speaker 3: H one B visa and the dual intent nature of it,

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Speaker 3: there is a backlog because we have country caps. We

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Speaker 3: don't want any one country to dominate our immigration system.

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Speaker 3: And right now, even though the cap is said it's

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Speaker 3: seven percent per country, because there's we allow for overflow

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Speaker 3: when a country doesn't hit its quota, anywhere from twenty

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Speaker 3: five to thirty percent of all green card employment visas

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Speaker 3: issued go to one country, India. That's and they're claiming racism.

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Speaker 3: It's it's just it's absolute rubbish. So again that's the

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Speaker 3: indentured we talked about. They're cheaper, they're indentured. What's not

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Speaker 3: to like if you're a heart capitalists, you don't care

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Speaker 3: about you don't put Americans first.

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Speaker 5: Kevin Hanger For one second, we'll come back to I

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Speaker 5: want to introduce Alison when Allison, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 5: You're actually, I guess pretty prominent in the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 5: But you've had an awakening. It talked to me about

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Speaker 5: this whole visa situation, the gutting of American citizens and

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Speaker 5: gutting of our workforce to bring in workers who are

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Speaker 5: not even at the same skill level, but to bring

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Speaker 5: them in because they're cheaper labor. Ma'am.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So I have a unique perspective because I was an

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Speaker 8: insider at big tech really early on with Google. I

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Speaker 8: helped to come up with the tech based advertising that

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Speaker 8: eventually became AdWords, and my husband for twenty five years,

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Speaker 8: wrote the original Google search engine at Stanford. So when

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Speaker 8: we were going to college at Stanford and my co

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Speaker 8: ed engineering fraternity were we helped to write the business

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Speaker 8: plan for Google, and a lot of the early employees

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Speaker 8: at the big tech Facebook, Google came from there. We

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Speaker 8: were all Americans, and you know, we didn't have that

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Speaker 8: Some of them were on student visas, but we didn't

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Speaker 8: have the h one b Visas you know, in the

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Speaker 8: founding team, they were mostly just Americans from what I

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Speaker 8: recall in the in the mid nineties, and so somewhere

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Speaker 8: along the line they became heartless capitalists, do no evil.

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Speaker 7: Became as.

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Speaker 8: Mister Lynn would say, you know, make as much money

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Speaker 8: as you can, and they hired the CFOs and they

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Speaker 8: figured out the loopholes to replace American workers so that

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Speaker 8: way you get the cheaper.

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Speaker 7: Inflow of workers.

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Speaker 8: I myself love Elon muss I think he's a great visionary.

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Speaker 8: He's done so much for our country in the world

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Speaker 8: in terms of electric cars. He opened up that industry

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Speaker 8: space explore and I'm excited for Doge.

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Speaker 7: But and I personally know him.

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Speaker 8: We went on vacation with him years ago and he

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Speaker 8: gave my daughter and I his private suite on the

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Speaker 8: private jet. And you know, he wakes up really early

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Speaker 8: in the morning, who's playing chess with my daughter before

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Speaker 8: everyone else did. And he's the last one to go

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Speaker 8: to sleep, always working, always think about serving other people.

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Speaker 8: So I only have good personal experience with mister Musk,

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Speaker 8: and I love what he's done in terms of technology innovation.

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Speaker 7: A great risk taker.

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Speaker 8: I do take some of what mister Vivek Ramaswami has

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Speaker 8: said about the American culture, I disagree with him.

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Speaker 7: I myself loved dance. At Stanford.

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Speaker 8: I had two activities, which was our engineering co ed

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Speaker 8: fraternity and my dance group, the twenty four hour Dance Group.

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Speaker 8: And I think dancing and sports. And I played semi

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Speaker 8: professional tennis. I was in a varsity tennis team, and

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Speaker 8: we traveled around from a young age.

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Speaker 7: And I know my friends who were in football, baseball.

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Speaker 8: This American culture is really fundamental to what gives America

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Speaker 8: the edge in terms of innovation, creativity, risk taking.

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Speaker 7: It's a secret sauce, right.

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Speaker 8: We may not have the best math scores, we may

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Speaker 8: not have the best science scores, but it's like Tom Brady,

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Speaker 8: Hey didn't He wasn't the fastest quarterback. If you look

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Speaker 8: at his college recruiting role, he was like the slowest.

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Speaker 8: He was the slowest runner, and he got recruited one

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Speaker 8: hundred and ninety nine out of two hundred. But what

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Speaker 8: he offered was not just exactly is his leadership and

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Speaker 8: America we have leadership.

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Speaker 5: Alison Hanger one second, will take a break, go to

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Speaker 5: the top of the hour. What Alison is saying, is

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Speaker 5: Tom Brady had the right stuff. Remember there were seven

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Speaker 5: I think seven quarterbacks drafted before him, didn't even start

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Speaker 5: all his senior season at the University of Michigan. Brought

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Speaker 5: a baseball player back from the Yankees to start for

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Speaker 5: a couple of games. He had the right stuff, just

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Speaker 5: like this Nation short commercial break. Kevin Lynn, Alison, Kevin Lynch,

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Speaker 5: Alison Win and Will Upton will join us after a

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Speaker 5: short commercial break.