1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: I never told you production of I Heart Radio. All right, okay, guys, 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: it's happened. It finally happened after years of talking about 4 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: it and even her buying me the actual DVD. Yeah, 5 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: we finally watched Heathers. We thought it would be be 6 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: kind of fun because there are several moments where Annie 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: and I have the have you seen this? You haven't 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: seen this? Oh my god, I can't believe you haven't 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: seen this moments. So we thought we would come back 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: and revisit some of those that we've talked about because 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: I know several of you have written and asked, wait, 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: I cannot believe Annie has not seen Heathers. And I 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: was like, I'm in agreement. We need to have this discussion, 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: and finally made it happen. So you wanted about how 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: I failed all this time just a little bit, just 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: a little bit, but no, I just kind of wanted 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: to talk about and revisit the classic Heathers and I'm 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I was a little scared because I 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: didn't know how it would hold up. Has It's been 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: years since and it was made or released in nineteen nine, 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: so before a lot of our listeners were even born 22 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: could understand what's happening with this movie in general. So, um, Annie, 23 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: what did you think about the movie? I really liked. 24 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: It is not what I expected at all. I will 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: tell you that what did you expect? Um? It was 26 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: darker than I thought it was going to be, which 27 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: seems to be the overarching reaction to it even when 28 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: it comes to making it, which we're gonna talk about 29 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. But yeah, I was not expecting that 30 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: level of darkness. I did really um enjoy it, and 31 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: I loved how stylized it was, like with the color 32 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: SKI aimed to really drive home this is like a satire. 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: Um Christian Slater really freaks me out. I kept thinking 34 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: it was like Jack Nicholson and Jack Nicholson really freaks 35 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: me out. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. But now I did 36 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: enjoy it, and I thought it was pretty funny but 37 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: also like pretty pretty messed up, pretty dark. Right. So 38 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 1: I didn't realize when we were talking about this movie 39 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: as well as my other pick on the Witches, that 40 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: I have pretty much dated myself really hardcore because the 41 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: past year was the thirty year anniversary for that movie. 42 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: So within the last couple of years, I'm like, well, 43 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: I'm bringing you some really outdated movies, and I apologize. 44 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: It's still it seems to have like a cult following. 45 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: And I was reading articles because you know, when the 46 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: thirtieth anniversary of something that has a cult following comes out, 47 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of events, and I was reading a 48 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: bunch of articles that said the audience was generally like 49 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: young people, younger people. So it's still resonating, um clearly, 50 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: and for people who aren't aware, can you do like 51 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: a very quick plot summary, I can, so essentially, um, 52 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: just f y, not that this is really triggering triggering, 53 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: but we do talk about suicide within the sexual assault 54 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: within this movie as well, because it plays on several 55 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: eighties tropes, especially in high school era. So think about 56 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: all of the cool movies that had the valley girl 57 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: in like idea, as well as the hierarchy within school. 58 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: So the jock versus the nerd versus the ugly people, 59 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: which is unfortunate because that's not a thing I should, 60 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: like I say ugly people. It is just they put 61 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: ugly people as in they don't fit the perfect iconic 62 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: idea of like traditional cute girl or a cute guy 63 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: or whatever, so therefore you're just in that group. Um. 64 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, So essentially it starts out with Veronica, who 65 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: is a very rich girl that ends up paying out 66 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: with a group of other very popular girls all named Heather. Um. 67 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: And by the way, each of them are assigned to 68 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: color and you see that throughout the movie, as well 69 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: as the fact that the scrunchy thing has this it's 70 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: like the crown for whoever the most popular or the 71 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: leader girls throughout the movie, which I've always thought was 72 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: like so eighties, this is so perfect. I love it. Um. 73 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: But you see Veronica, who is this really kind girl 74 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: who plays the lead. She is the anti heroin essentially 75 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 1: in this I think she's the heroin but not because 76 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: you see the back and forth of her trying to 77 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: be cool but not cool. Um, as well as the 78 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: fact that she actually can imitate anybody's handwriting, so she 79 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: is well liked and is used for that ability by everyone, 80 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: actually everyone throughout the whole thing. And it opens up 81 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: with the scene with her being buried into the ground. 82 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I've always been confused, like is 83 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: that literal or is I supposed to say something because 84 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: they are playing um croquet, the game they're playing croquet, 85 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: which is already kind of bougie in itself, and she 86 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: is somehow one of the markers in the game. And 87 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: then she kind of like I guess, has to come 88 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: up into the hierarchy of popularity and then goes to 89 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: the point of being an anarchist and say I don't 90 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: want this anymore type of things. So essentially you followed 91 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: this whole thing with this group, and slowly, one by 92 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: one by one, people start dying, people the really popular kids. 93 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: And of course this is where Jack Nicholson ak Christians 94 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: later comes in as the Is he the antagonist because 95 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: he also tells like the bad boy hero look as well. 96 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: I mean his name is j G which I assumed 97 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: was like James Dean probably, so he's the rebel, but 98 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: he's an actual rebel. And I think all of those 99 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: is also kind of making fun of the uh And 100 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: I told any about this and she didn't know what 101 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: I was talking about. The rat Pack movies, not back, 102 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: the brat Pack movies, and the rat Pack made of 103 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: like Molly Ringwalls, Amelia Estevez, all of them, and they 104 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: used to have all the John Hughes films, so this 105 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: kind of made fun of that trope as well. Yeah, 106 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: oh yeah. I stood out in comparison to the upbeat 107 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: teenage movies at the time, or at least happy ending 108 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: teenage movies of the time, because all of them is 109 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: some kind of teenage angst. Yeah, absolutely in all of them, 110 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: but this one is a lot darker, a lot more cursing, 111 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: a lot more violence. Yeah yeah, so yeah, I mean 112 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: essentially it's like a satire look of like clicks and 113 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: teenage power in high school and Veronica and j D 114 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: accidentally kill this first Heather, and then it became well 115 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: j D want to want to D did? Yeah, I 116 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: think that's fair. Well anyway, it wasn't necessarily what Veronica 117 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: was into, but um, and then they frame it as suicide, 118 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: and so that is something when we say it's dark 119 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: like that was one of the things that I was 120 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: like wow, because I I know, like, if you even 121 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: touch on that subject, and rightfully so today on like 122 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: a teenage program, there's like that government message at the 123 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: end with like the phone line, and this whole movie 124 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,119 Speaker 1: like suicide comes up a lot because they consistently frame 125 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: it as suicide. And there's even like in the papers 126 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: reporting on like it's the trend um school bombing is involved. 127 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: I was not expecting that. Um, So it's pretty serious stuff. 128 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: And it also touches on like eating disorders, fat shaming, homophobia, 129 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: self harming, and sexual assault. And apparently it was almost 130 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: much darker because the original ending had Veronica more involved 131 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: going throughout this. She she has this like teenage I 132 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: don't know if I would call it love, but she's 133 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: with j D and he's growing for using more violent. 134 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: At first, she's growing along with it, but then she 135 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: kind of is like, no, this is bad, this is wrong. 136 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: The original ending had Ronica much more involved in all 137 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: of it, and the school did get blown up and 138 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: the students went to prom in Heaven. Can you imagine, right, 139 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: going to see that movie? Right? It was supposed to 140 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: be like if Stanley Kubrick made a teen movie. That's 141 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: what the whole goal was was to write the script 142 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: and get Stanley Kubrick to make it. But it did 143 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: change a lot, largely based on what when knowing a 144 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: writer brought to the role, and also a lot of 145 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: pushback from studios. For sure, writer's agent begged her not 146 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: to do it. She was fifteen at the time. A 147 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: lot of actors whose names I recognized their parents would 148 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: not let them be in this movie. Yeah, it was 149 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: a meaning that definitely became a trendsetter for these ironic 150 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: I guess scathing conversation conversations or commentary on high schools 151 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: and know what it is supposed to be and what 152 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't be and how good it was and how it 153 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: really wasn't that great kind of conversation because you know, 154 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: later on you had Job Breakers, which was a very 155 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: much kind of an adaptation to that as well in 156 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: a different way, which had um Rose McGowan in it 157 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: as well, kind of playing almost I think she was 158 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: the one that was no she was the main mean 159 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: in that one. Never mind, I think who wasn't. The 160 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: Noxima girl was the not mean mean. I never seen 161 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: it this one. I'm okay with you not seeing There's 162 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: been a long time to not see that. But it's 163 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: it's also got a cult following two Job Breakers in itself, 164 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: but it does have that conversation of what is its 165 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: expectation and were not a writer? Was a darling of 166 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: the eighties. Darling not because she was adorable, because she 167 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: was so sassy and frank and just sardonic to the core. 168 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: So that kind of followed her around, and she this 169 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: was the beginning for her, not the beginning, but part 170 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: of the beginning for her and establishing her as this character. 171 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: It was a great role, and she did a fantastic 172 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: job in it, so good. Yeah. But I think that 173 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: was the big schocker for me. UM, because a lot 174 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: of what I would, you know, think of teen movies 175 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't either wouldn't touch on these subjects or they wouldn't 176 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: do it in the way that this movie did. And 177 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: I was reading articles, all these articles that were written 178 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: for the thirtieth anniversary, and um, people were saying it 179 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: would not get made today. UM, I don't think no, 180 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: because this was before Columbine. UM. And that's the big 181 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: thing they say, is like school violence. Um, on that level, 182 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: it wouldn't get made. Many have said it predicted all 183 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: kinds of things. UM. So it was interesting to watch 184 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: it from like modern eyes and being astounded that it 185 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: got made. And I think because of that, like when 186 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: any of the like self harm came up, or there's 187 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: like a sexual as salt kind of happening in the 188 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: background of one scene and I was just continuously how 189 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: did this get made? Definitely, so this is definitely during 190 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: the time of the era when violence was being blamed 191 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: on what you see. So the whole commentary of like, 192 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: these video games are violent and it's teaching out kiss 193 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: these things, and I mean, and it's kind of like 194 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: talking about how it desensitized teenagers. And so this is 195 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: what it looks like when teenagers of this since it 196 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: dies as well as it becomes a public fawning when 197 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: you see a tragedy instead of you know, the realities 198 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: of what it was. So it's this whole breakdown in commentary. 199 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: And it was not subtle in any way. It was 200 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: in your face, smack you in the face with it. 201 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: And yes, no way in hell could it be made 202 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: again today. And I would not recommend this to any teenagers. 203 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: I don't think. Well, and that's interesting to you because 204 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: they so there is a musical um, but I've heard 205 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: it's much more upbeat. I'm sure. There was a TV 206 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: show that I think is permanently canceled because they did 207 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: on a hold when the Parkland shootings happened, and then 208 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: I think that was it. They were like, well we 209 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: can't do this um and yeah I did. I I appreciated. 210 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: I guess it felt really honest in the way that 211 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: we see kind of these more glossy representations of high 212 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: school and this one felt more honest of what it 213 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: really is. Even though it was a satire. It was 214 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: over the top and to see these young people really 215 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: play into this power game and like having that amplified 216 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: and recognizing it like we you know, I was there, 217 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: I was in high school and I could you knew 218 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: these power dynamics and just how brutal and how many 219 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: people it hurts. Yeah, yeah, and I think, like I 220 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: will say again, because it is a dark comedy, like 221 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: you kind of sit there and wonder which part of 222 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: them was supposed to laugh. Yeah, there's definitely those moments 223 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: because it was again necessarily uh advertised as a drama 224 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: or anything that feel good John Hughes stuff. It definitely 225 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: was again a smack in the face and it was 226 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: a commentary about get over yourself. This is what it is. 227 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: But they did make sure and I don't know, as 228 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: you said that the ending had changed, why not on 229 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: writer's character. Veronica ended up being like, hey man, it's 230 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: not all that bad. These people don't deserve this. Get 231 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: over yourself and this, I mean even his outfit though. Yeah, 232 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: the first thing I thought was, oh my god, this 233 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: is kind of the stereotype we see in MATS shootings 234 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: and uh, like the actual gunman, this is the wardrobe 235 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: that they talked about. But it wasn't actually called like 236 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: until like the what late nineties, so that that actually 237 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: became a thing thing, Like I didn't even realize until 238 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: we watched that again, I was like, shoot, he's literally 239 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: in an outfit that could have been dubbed as part 240 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: of the Columbine shooting as well. Yeah, well he was 241 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: an angry white dude, right who didn't get what you 242 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: want and was mad about it, right, Um. And I 243 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: do like how they played on that too, because a 244 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: lot of times if you took away like before you 245 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: know he's going to blow up the school, he has 246 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: played as like the cool rebel character. Yeah, but throughout 247 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: this you you see that through that that he's just bad. 248 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: He's not like he's violent and he hurts people. And 249 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: the people he hurt who you were originally painted as 250 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: the villains, like, they still did terrible things, but there 251 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: was people and they had humanizing traits, and yeah, I 252 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: appreciated that. I liked that they flipped that. Um, I 253 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: think and again, one of these things that you couldn't 254 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: make about this is because it was so over the 255 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: top obvious that it was entire And that's the only 256 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: difference as where today things are taken to like people 257 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: call it a satire, but you're like, wait, are you 258 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: endorsing this because this is not helping the situation, Um 259 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: that this too tongue and is not tongue in cheek, 260 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: is too hitchy or today's audience like they want to 261 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: have that unsure of like maybe he is a good guy, 262 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: like he ends up being the absolute worst guy and 263 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: you see it because he's the stalker that you're like what, 264 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, that becomes like that is an appreciative thing, 265 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: but you can't have that today. And I wouldn't recommend 266 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: it being used today. And again I wouldn't recommend it 267 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: to people young kids. And I'm like, oh damn, that 268 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: was a lot darker than I remember. And I don't 269 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: understand how I was like, this is a great movie. 270 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: And I still do appreciate the qualities of one own 271 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: a writer, a Christian Slater like all of them. Shannon 272 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: Doherty was in this, like all of them, playing these 273 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: really over the top characters. Um. But then at the 274 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: same time, I'm like, Okay, yeah, I'm gonna put that 275 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: in my lock box. Yeah. It aged not so well, 276 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: but it made its point. Yeah, And I think when 277 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: people were curious as to why so many younger people 278 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: have latched onto I do think it's kind of the 279 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: honesty of it, Like, even as unfortunate as it is, 280 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: that's more like the experience a lot of us had 281 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: or are having, than or we'll have. I don't want 282 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: to leave anyone out. Hope it changes. Yeah, God, I 283 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: mean to me to fingers crossed for that. But yeah, 284 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: that's our thoughts on Heather's. 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