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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Bombshell and I main Bombshell.

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson, big win. That's right. A judge has greenlighted

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Speaker 1: his bid for freedom, this as he double downs on

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Speaker 1: the burglary theory and swears he kept his sex mistress

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Speaker 1: in order to find Lacey. Let that Saint Ken. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 2: Peterson claims investigators did not turn over key evidence to

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Speaker 2: his defense that could have cleared him of his pregnant

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Speaker 2: wife's murder. During the trial.

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Speaker 3: I was searching for my family.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to search teams stay in contact with ambro

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Speaker 4: Thiden and she would.

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Speaker 3: Get into the picture of complicated ruin the search.

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Speaker 1: Does it never end with him? That is from our

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Speaker 1: friends over at Peacock their documentaries called face to face

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Speaker 1: with Scott Peterson, and there he says, okay, wait, he's asked,

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Speaker 1: why did you keep talking to Amber Fry after Lacey disappeared? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's obvious he wanted to continue having sex with her.

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Speaker 1: But what he says is well, I was searching for

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Speaker 1: my family under Amber skirt, and I wanted that search

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Speaker 1: to continue. I stayed in contact with Amber, I thought

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Speaker 1: if she wouldn't get into the picture and complicate it

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Speaker 1: and ruin the search for Lacey and Connor. Okay, the

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Speaker 1: bombshelt tonight is that a judge, in her wisdom has

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Speaker 1: green lips Scott Peterson's bid for freedom. But before I

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Speaker 1: get into the legalities of all that, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go straight out to a long time colleague, you I

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Speaker 1: consider to be a friend. Oh the good old days

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Speaker 1: of living in Redwood City. During the trial, John Bueler

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Speaker 1: is with US former detective and the Scott Peterson investigation.

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Speaker 1: Former detective, formerdesto PD thirty one years John, can you

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Speaker 1: believe this? Can you believe this is still happening with

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: I can because there's only so much to do when

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Speaker 4: you're locked up in state prison, so you're doing everything

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Speaker 4: that you can to get out.

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Speaker 3: And I don't.

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Speaker 4: Suspect that he's ever going to admit to this, because

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Speaker 4: that would ruin his chances. As far as the judge

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Speaker 4: granting this see it on temporary victory for him. I

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Speaker 4: don't see it as a real big deal for us

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Speaker 4: because they can test all the evidence they want, and

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Speaker 4: that I encourage them to.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not an attorney, so.

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Speaker 4: I don't have a legal ofb to that I'm confident

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Speaker 4: we got the right guy, and that there's not going

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Speaker 4: to be any revelation when they test anything that comes

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Speaker 4: up that they're allowed to do.

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Speaker 1: I remember every day listening to evidence poor from the

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Speaker 1: witness stand and investigating. Of course, my investigation was just,

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Speaker 1: you know, a pinpoint of what your investigation was, but

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Speaker 1: everything I saw and I was looking at it in

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Speaker 1: the light most favorable to the defendant. Yes, I'm a

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Speaker 1: former felony prosecutor and a crime victim. But the way

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Speaker 1: I tried cases John, as you know, is once I

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Speaker 1: got my case in chief ready, I wanted to look

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Speaker 1: at the case as if I were the defense attorneys,

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Speaker 1: so I could prepare to fight whatever they were going

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Speaker 1: to throw at me. And I did that for weeks

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Speaker 1: and weeks and weeks in Modesta, throughout the area, trying

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Speaker 1: to find the flaw, the hole in the state's case.

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Speaker 1: And I was convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Peterson

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Speaker 1: was guilty. And then, of course more evidence poured from

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Speaker 1: to trial. I want you to state on camera, because

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Speaker 1: while you were talking, the control room went to Peterson.

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Speaker 1: As much as I love looking at Scott Peterson in

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Speaker 1: his demand, ponytail, I want you to look in the

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Speaker 1: camera so I can see you and repeat what you

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Speaker 1: just said. When it comes to retesting the evidence and

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Speaker 1: the Lacy Peterson murder, how do you react to that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I react with a kind of nonchalance boredom.

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Speaker 3: If they want to retest it, I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 4: I'm real confident that we've got the right guy because

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Speaker 4: there's so much circumstantial evidence that you can't ignore when

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Speaker 4: it comes to this, and the evidence does also diffuse

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Speaker 4: their claim of the burglary being involved. The burglars committed

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Speaker 4: that crime across the street, but over and above that,

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Speaker 4: when they're trying to talk about whether it's duct tape

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Speaker 4: it's really not a big deal for me. You have

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Speaker 3: Go ahead and test that stuff.

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Speaker 4: You might find that it's linked to some other man

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Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean it's related to her and where

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Speaker 4: she was in the water. So I as far as

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Speaker 4: they're going to have an uphill battle, it has a

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Speaker 4: over the fact that they can't link this stuff directly

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, you are hearing really renowned detected John Buehler.

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Speaker 1: He was renowned within the ranks of the MINESTOPD and

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Speaker 1: the community, but it was a Scott Peterson prosecution that

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Speaker 1: vaulted him to become well known across the country. John.

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Speaker 1: And I know this is off the top of your head.

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Speaker 1: What do you people ask me this all the time?

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Speaker 1: What do you consider to be the strongest evidence against

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson?

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Speaker 3: Probably the bodies And here's why.

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Speaker 4: When the remains of Connor were found, they were in

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Speaker 4: pristine condition, which indicates what was described in the autopsy report.

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Speaker 4: That Connor was ejected from Lacey in what was called

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Speaker 4: Lacey was anchored down in four points with what we

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Speaker 4: believe to be the concrete anchors, the residue that was

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Speaker 4: found on Scott's fertilizer trailer and his warehouse, but over

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Speaker 4: and above that when her body was found, it was

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Speaker 4: a remarkable difference in the appearance of the body because

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Speaker 4: of marine activity, and it showed that the body was

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Speaker 3: Six months, which, of course four months is.

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Speaker 4: Right in the middle there, so when you have limbs

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Speaker 4: extreme surgical precision, which of course Scott wasn't a doctor.

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Speaker 4: That shows that the body was put there on the

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Speaker 4: Why would a burglar wait it? And most burglars I

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Speaker 4: there's a whole bunch of other things that we could

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Speaker 4: strongest thing. And another thing that really kind of struck me,

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Speaker 4: I'll just wrap it up real quick, is his ability

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Speaker 4: to order a double double, which she is a small

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Speaker 4: fry in a vanilla shake, ten minutes after we told

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Speaker 4: him that the DNA results had proved that it was

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Speaker 1: Stop stop, stop stop. Did not know that I was

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Speaker 1: going along merrily with you, going yeah, yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard about the double double. If anybody else knows

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Speaker 1: about the double double on this panel, speak up now

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Speaker 1: or forever, all is your pace? Tell me about the

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Speaker 1: double double? Okay, I got to hear this.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I've told it a few times and I

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Speaker 4: transcript because.

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Speaker 3: We wired my car when we were driving back from

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Speaker 4: And one of the things that you know, we always

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Speaker 4: have to remember is I was a cog in the

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Speaker 4: that worked at Craig Grogan. Of course, the lead BROKINI

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Speaker 4: was a team effort with Modesto Police Department and numerous

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Speaker 4: other agencies in California.

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Speaker 3: So I'll just take credit for the reports I did

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Speaker 3: and the things I did on it. But we're coming

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Speaker 4: Our way into Bakersfield on the way up from San

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Speaker 3: Scott's sitting behind me.

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Speaker 4: I'm driving Craig Grogan to sit next to him, and

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Speaker 4: Craig gets the call that the Attorney General's Office, Bill

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Speaker 4: Lockyer's office at the time, had confirmed that the DNA

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Speaker 4: results on the remains found in San Francisco Bay a

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Speaker 4: Craig tells that to Scott right after he finished the

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Speaker 4: It was just, it isn't the reaction that you're going

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Speaker 3: Was telling how much he missed his wife, and.

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Speaker 4: I five, going over to ninety nine, and we get gas,

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Speaker 3: He's not gonna be able to run, so we're not

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Speaker 4: But I'm filling the car with gas, and I asked him.

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Speaker 4: I said, hey, Scott, you know we're going to stop

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Speaker 4: want to eat, we'll get you something. You know, big

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Speaker 4: spenders that we are. And he says, well, John, where

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Speaker 4: are you going? Because we're on a cordial basis and

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Speaker 4: always were. I never really had any problems with him

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Speaker 4: other than him killing his wife and his child. But

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Speaker 4: he looked at me. I said, I think we're going

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Speaker 4: to hit an in and out. There's an in and

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Speaker 4: out of eggs that are two up, and he goes.

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Speaker 3: In and out.

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Speaker 4: I'll have a double double with shees a small fryd

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Speaker 4: of vanilla shake. And the reason I remember the order

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Speaker 4: is because that's my order minus at Chess.

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Speaker 3: Because she's only belongs to a Pisa.

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Speaker 4: So I just kind of looked at him and I went,

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Speaker 4: you got it, buddy, and I closed the door, and

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Speaker 4: I thought, who orders dinner right after they find out

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Speaker 3: Without me staying much. But we will, Yes you did.

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Speaker 1: Double Murder in Delphi. By the way, that trial's about

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Speaker 9: Exactly, Nancy, and has to do with that penal code

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Speaker 9: This stood out to me to Connor's room and what

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Speaker 9: I don't think it's going to give Scott Peterson a

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Speaker 1: Hey, Troyce Layton joining guys Chroyce Layton is renowned defense

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Speaker 1: attorney in la at Slayton Lawyers Chroyce Layton. Why did

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Speaker 10: Well, that's why I always recommend to clients and any

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Speaker 10: Because anything that exercise, you're.

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Speaker 1: Right to remain silence. How about exercising in the yard

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Speaker 1: with the other inmates.

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Speaker 10: It can be used against you before, during, and even

443
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Speaker 10: after your trial. But I think Scott Peterson may very

444
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Speaker 10: well be getting a new trial here because the judge

445
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Speaker 10: did what the judge was basically required to do. Here, Nancy,

446
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Speaker 10: you can't blame the judge because they're given very little

447
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Speaker 10: discretion to not grant a defendant a review of evidence

448
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Speaker 10: when somebody's convicted to fifteen years or more for a

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Speaker 10: serious or violent felony.

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Speaker 6: I met Scott Peterson November twentieth, two thousand and two.

451
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Speaker 6: I was introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried.

452
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Speaker 6: Scott told me he was not married. We did have

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Speaker 6: a romantic relationship. When I discovered he was involved in

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Speaker 6: the disapparent of the Lacy Peterson disappearance case, I immediately

455
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Speaker 6: contacted the Modesto Police department. Although I could have sold

456
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Speaker 6: or sold the photos of Scott and I to tabloids,

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Speaker 6: I knew this was not the right thing to do.

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Speaker 6: For fear of jeopardizing the case or the police investigation.

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Speaker 6: I will not comment further.

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Speaker 1: There is Amber Frye, who has somehow managed to rise

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Speaker 1: above the entire Scott Peterson debacle and go on with

462
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Speaker 1: her life. She's now a mother. Amber fry was duped,

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Speaker 1: like so many other people were, by Scott Peterson. Listen

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Speaker 1: to this.

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Speaker 5: Ever ever, ever, ever, Hey, happy weird to call you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Are right there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I wish you could give me. I'm on the

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Speaker 5: iles that you're there.

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Speaker 3: I'm my yah.

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Speaker 5: The idol power you tell.

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Speaker 3: Unreal figt it's huge.

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Speaker 5: Got ember.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here.

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Speaker 3: Ever you're there, I can't hear right now. I'll call

476
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Speaker 3: you on your knear ever ever.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I hate it. It's so hard to hear

478
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Speaker 1: when you're like a full four blocks away. Okay, that

479
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Speaker 1: call was made, if I'm correct, and correct me if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, John Buelor during the vigil for Lacy Peterson,

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson's wife.

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Speaker 11: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: John?

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Speaker 1: Is is that the one made during the vigil?

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Speaker 3: That the visual? Yeah, you're correct, I mean help me

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Speaker 3: out now.

487
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Speaker 1: After all of that, I hear Scott Peterson doubling down

488
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Speaker 1: and his whole new legal team with the La Nisis

489
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Speaker 1: project on the burglary. I guess they think that that's

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Speaker 1: their best bet. In the past, they threw out so

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Speaker 1: many different theories. One was that Lacy Peterson had been

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Speaker 1: kidnapped so the killers the kidnappers could cut baby Connor

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Speaker 1: out of her stomach and either keep the baby or

494
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Speaker 1: sell the baby. But then, of course, when she was found,

495
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Speaker 1: baby Connor had still been in her tummy, so that

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Speaker 1: theory was no good. Let's see, then there's a theory

497
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Speaker 1: she had been kept alive for that reason. That didn't

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Speaker 1: work due to this stage of decomposition. Then there was

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Speaker 1: a theory about a Hawaiian gang. There were just so

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Speaker 1: many theories, but this one seems to hold the most

501
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Speaker 1: promise for Scott Peterson. And when you look at him

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Speaker 1: saying it, said, aims.

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Speaker 3: To really believe it.

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Speaker 1: So to you, Troy Slayton, you're the defense attorney. How

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Speaker 1: is anyone, including another jury, supposed to believe anything Peterson

506
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Speaker 1: says when he lies and lies and lies and wait

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Speaker 1: till Buler gets back on the stand and destroys that

508
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Speaker 1: double double with Chase small Fry and Vanilla Shik.

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Speaker 10: Just because someone's a liar, Nancy, doesn't mean that they're

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Speaker 10: also a murderer. So there are people that say all

511
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Speaker 10: sorts of things when they're suffering a tragedy, when they're

512
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Speaker 10: suffering huge emotional stress. And there is no playbook for

513
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Speaker 10: somebody to act or react when a family member a

514
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Speaker 10: family member has been killed. I think Scott Peterson in

515
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Speaker 10: this case may have already been resigned to the fact

516
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Speaker 10: that his family wasn't coming back. Maybe he had already

517
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Speaker 10: gone through that part of the emotional rollercoaster that somebody

518
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Speaker 10: goes through and you've got to eat. He's on a

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Speaker 10: trip from San Diego to Modesto. That's a six to

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Speaker 10: seven eight hour trip.

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Speaker 2: You got to eat.

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Speaker 1: That's not no because John Buehller joining us former detective

523
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Speaker 1: in the Peterson investigation. I remember really well, the first

524
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Speaker 1: thing I ate after my fiance was murdered. I don't

525
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Speaker 1: know how many weeks I had a glass of orange,

526
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Speaker 1: actually had drank straight out of the jug. I finally

527
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Speaker 1: was hungry. I lost down to eighty nine pounds, So

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Speaker 1: I know I'm projecting what I went through after losing

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Speaker 1: him onto how I think other people should act. But

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Speaker 1: have you noticed speaking of a playbook, that's a defense

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Speaker 1: attorney's playbook. They always say there is no playbook for grief.

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Speaker 1: But I am telling you that call to Amber Fry

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Speaker 1: that was before the bodies had been found. That was

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Speaker 1: immediately after Lacy had gone missing, So there was no

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Speaker 1: chance as Troy Slayton just said that he had resigned

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Speaker 1: himself to the fact they were both dead.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I got to admire Troy for his skills

538
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Speaker 4: and you know the way he phrases things, and you

539
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Speaker 4: know he'd be a great adversary in the courtroom.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to be cross examined by him. I think

541
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Speaker 3: we could have some fun with it and everything. But

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Speaker 3: he's got a different book than I do.

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Speaker 4: My book is based on talking the victim families from

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Speaker 4: suicide and traffic collisi fatalities, and of course many murders

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Speaker 4: over the years, and there's a very common theme that

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Speaker 4: we found that was consistent through all of that, and

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Speaker 4: Scott didn't meet that. I had a couple that were

548
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Speaker 4: kind of like Scott, but one was easily cleared which

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Speaker 4: Scott would agree to do, and then another one ended

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Speaker 4: up killing himself as I was trying to get him

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Speaker 4: to do a polly. But they had the same demeanor

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Speaker 4: that Scott did. And and you know, we don't see

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Speaker 4: that very often. Most of the time we see extreme guilt.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'll open my wallet, I'll open my bank account,

555
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Speaker 4: I'll open my computer, I'll open anything that you need

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Speaker 4: to look at to clear me out so you can

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Speaker 4: go after.

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Speaker 3: The right guy. And Troy's got it right, and he's

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Speaker 3: on the side that he has to do. I just

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Speaker 3: I'm reading a different book than he is.

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Speaker 1: A book. Please close hour back. I want her and

562
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Speaker 1: our grandson home safely and immediately, so please bring about

563
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Speaker 1: to US crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 12: The Los Angeles Innocence Project has taken on the Peterson

565
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Speaker 12: case and to seek DNA testing on a piece of

566
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Speaker 12: duct tape that was found on the remains of Lacy Peterson.

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Speaker 12: The LAIP is also seeking to test items from a

568
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Speaker 12: burned out van found near the Peterson home the day

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Speaker 12: after Lacy Peterson vanish, an item considered crucial to the

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Speaker 12: defense as a blood snain mattress, which they believe could

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Speaker 12: contain evidence potentially exonerating Scott Peterson.

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Speaker 1: Straight back eye to Susan Hendricks, investigative journalist and author

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Speaker 1: of Down the Hill, My Descent into the double Murder

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Speaker 1: in Delphi. Let me understand number one, Susan Hendricks. The

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Speaker 1: judge is allowing the defense to go back into all

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Speaker 1: the states' files. You describe your fear, this is my fear. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not my fear. I'm telling you. This is what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. They are going to see all the

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Speaker 1: different people that the state investigated. Hey, let's look at

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Speaker 1: the old boyfriend. Hey, let's look at the former boss. Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's look at the neighbor. And they're going to take

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Speaker 1: that even though all those people were cleared, if they

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Speaker 1: even exist, I'm giving you examples and turned them in

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Speaker 1: to Chief Suspect number one, and they'll probably look for

585
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Speaker 1: somebody that's already dead because they won't be here to

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Speaker 1: defend themselves every avenue of investigation, no matter how it ended.

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Speaker 1: Like these burglars across the street, that will be the

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Speaker 1: new defense. So we've got them a going back through

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Speaker 1: all the state's investigation and b allowing testing on I

590
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Speaker 1: was found in a van related to a burglary near

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Speaker 1: the Peterson home. It's, from what I understand, a burned

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Speaker 1: out orange van and there is a mattress in the

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Speaker 1: back of it that has a substance on it that

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Speaker 1: could be blood. Okay, tell me all about that, Okay.

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Speaker 9: So originally Judge Hill said they could test as I

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Speaker 9: did a show. I did an interview on your show

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Speaker 9: that is about a duct tape that was on Lacy's pants.

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Speaker 9: So that has been tested in July. The results are sealed.

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Speaker 9: The results came back I would say mid August. So

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Speaker 9: now the judge said, look, nothing tied Lacey to that

601
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Speaker 9: burned out orange van, but they are cross referencing it

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Speaker 9: the investment was investigated as part of the prosecution, So

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Speaker 9: therefore the judge is allowing all of that evidence. The

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Speaker 9: more that she allows to me, as you stated, the

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Speaker 9: more holes that can be poked in that. But I

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Speaker 9: believe I go back to Scott Peterson's behavior. But we're

607
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Speaker 9: on the testing here, and I remember Nancy, you said

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Speaker 9: to me in regards to Delphi, let them with the

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Speaker 9: Odinus theory, let them test that.

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Speaker 1: It's so far fetched.

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Speaker 9: And as we heard Detective Bueler saying, Okay, they don't

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Speaker 9: have much to do there. Scott doesn't have much to

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Speaker 9: do serving a life sentence. Let them retest it. I

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Speaker 9: don't think any new evidence won't come from this. Again,

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Speaker 9: it's poking holes in everything they.

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Speaker 1: Do have quickly, Susan Hendricks, are they going to get

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Speaker 1: to test duct tape it was found on Lacey's body? Yes, Noah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they did in Okay, July, let me go to our experts.

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Speaker 1: Toby Wilson is joining US forensic biologist bloodstain expert at

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Speaker 1: no Slow Forensic Consultations. Formerly worked for the Miami Dade

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Speaker 1: Bureau of Forensic Services Miami Dade, Miami No lack of business.

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Speaker 1: They are thinking dexter there he is right there, Toby Wilson. Okay, Toby,

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Speaker 1: tell me your thoughts on this retesting. What I'm trying

624
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Speaker 1: to figure out, Toby, is what can be gained from

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Speaker 1: duct tape that's been attached to her clothing underwater in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay for well over a month. What if

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Speaker 1: it shows, as you heard Bueller saying earlier, some other

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Speaker 1: debris has attached to it. That's like, you know, swimming

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Speaker 1: around in a tesspool. Could that be used by the defense?

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Speaker 1: What do you think will be on the duct taple?

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Speaker 1: Let me just start at the beginning, Toby.

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Speaker 11: Well, it's really hard to predict, but with something submerged

633
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Speaker 11: in water that long, I would be very surprised if

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Speaker 11: they get a DNA profile that is usable.

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Speaker 7: If they get anything at all, the water is going

636
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Speaker 7: to act.

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Speaker 3: As a dilution and wash away.

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Speaker 11: Factor.

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Speaker 7: And I would look at the duct tate more in

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Speaker 7: terms of fracture matches compared to the role that you

641
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Speaker 7: just showed that was as soon taken from his residence.

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Speaker 1: You're so smart, you are so smart. You're absolutely correct fingerprints,

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Speaker 1: John Buehler, This may actually backfire on the defense. John Buehler,

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Speaker 1: as you know by now, is one of the detectives

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Speaker 1: who worked with many other wonderful detectives on the Peterson investigation.

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Speaker 1: What if, just what if Peterson's fingerprint is on that

647
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Speaker 1: duct tape or what if that duct tape matches back

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Speaker 1: to the duct tape found in his warehouse or in

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Speaker 1: his home.

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Speaker 4: Wow, well, I see a couple of things there. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: what a great thing for us to shut all this

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Speaker 4: stuff down. If his fingerprints are preserved on the adhesive

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Speaker 4: side of that duct tape, because they probably wouldn't be

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Speaker 4: preserved on the non adhesive side, that would send shit

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Speaker 4: that he put it on her. But also, if the

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Speaker 4: duct tape is from some shrimp boat fishermen or something

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Speaker 4: like that out of Sauce Alito that has no connection

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Speaker 4: with Lacey because they threw it overboard when they were

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Speaker 4: bringing the catch in, that's going to show that it

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Speaker 4: was just a breathe that washed up with Lacey. If

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Speaker 4: the duct tape construction, the weave of the fibers in

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Speaker 4: it matches, the role of duct tape that you're showing

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Speaker 4: on your video there matches to Scott again, it's incriminating

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Speaker 4: to him. So that's why I throughout all of this,

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Speaker 4: I really haven't had any worries about testing stuff. The

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Speaker 4: truth is going to come out wherever it is, and

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Speaker 4: I believe the truth is going to show, regardless of

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Speaker 4: the testing, that Scott did this, and if anything, it's

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Speaker 4: not going to create enough reasonable doubt to run back

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Speaker 4: into court.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully related to the burned out van.

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Speaker 13: Peterson's team will be able to review a complete color

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Speaker 13: copy of the crime lab file, including all benchnes diagrams,

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Speaker 13: DNA reports, at all documents regarding the testing of the

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Speaker 13: items collected. The judge noted that, based on the cross

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Speaker 13: referencing of the investigation of the two cases, that the

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Speaker 13: orange van was part of the investigation of the offenses charged.

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Speaker 13: Judge Hill ruled in July that a piece of duct

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Speaker 13: tape found on Lacy's pants during her autopsy could be tested,

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Speaker 13: but the results would have to be sealed, according to

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Speaker 13: court filings. These sealed results have been filed with the

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Speaker 13: court in August with.

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Speaker 1: Me longtime colleague and renowned medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, it is so critical that the medical

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Speaker 1: examiner handled Debrilight this duct tape with the utmost care.

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Speaker 1: How do you ensure when you're performing an autopsy that

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Speaker 1: it's not the body but items extrinsic to the body,

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Speaker 1: attached to the body around the body. How do you

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Speaker 1: make sure that they are not contaminated.

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Speaker 14: So what we do is when the body is found

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Speaker 14: at the scene, they are wrapped in a blanket that's

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Speaker 14: called a trace blanket. It's a sterile blanket that has

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Speaker 14: kept in a plastic bag just for this purpose. It's

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Speaker 14: wrapped about the body. Then they're placed into the body bag,

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Speaker 14: which is sealed, and then brought to the medical Examiner's office.

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Speaker 14: Body bags unsealed, and then we carefully unwrapped the trace

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Speaker 14: blanket and then any trace evidence, duct tape, hair fibers,

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Speaker 14: anything like that is collected immediately under sterile conditions, placed

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Speaker 14: into envelopes.

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Speaker 3: And then hand it over to the crime scene or

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Speaker 3: the crime lab individuals.

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Speaker 14: So the whole process is you make sure you keep

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Speaker 14: it all sterile and you don't try and introduce anything

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Speaker 14: else into it while you're doing it.

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Speaker 1: Do you wear a face mask while you perform the autopsies.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 14: It's the main thing to keep stuff out of your mouth,

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Speaker 14: but also you don't breathe DNA all over the body,

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Speaker 14: but you wear an N ninety five mask, which is

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Speaker 14: a mask to keep out things like tuberculosis and COVID.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Troy Slayton, give me your best shot. I'm braced.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting down. Maybe I need to lay down. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you were handling this case, how would you pursue?

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Speaker 1: What avenue would you pursue with the duct tape and

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Speaker 1: with the evidence from the burnout mattress?

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Speaker 10: Every avenue? I'd believe no stone unturned because when the

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Speaker 10: government wants to put a person in a cage for

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Speaker 10: the rest of their life, and you know as well

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Speaker 10: as I do, we've made mistakes before. People have been

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Speaker 10: executed who were later shown to be innocent from evidence.

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Speaker 10: I agree with the detective, and I don't often agree

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Speaker 10: with detectives. Here, let's recheck everything. There should be nothing

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Speaker 10: to hide. We should look at every note, every piece

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Speaker 10: of evidence.

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Speaker 1: Now, how are you going to pursue specifically the duct

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Speaker 1: tape and the items from the van. Don't give me

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Speaker 1: a speech about instant people. Okay, I already know all that.

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Speaker 1: Tell me something I don't know. Have an original thoughts, Layton.

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Speaker 10: It's exactly what you said. We want to check it

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Speaker 10: for DNA. We want to check it against roles that

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Speaker 10: were found in other places. We want to check it

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Speaker 10: for fingerprints. We want to check it for the color

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Speaker 10: and the texture. The FBI crime lab can match a

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Speaker 10: tiny fragment of a piece of tape to other pieces

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Speaker 10: or to a role. They can even tell where it

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Speaker 10: was manufactured and possibly even what store was sold from.

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Speaker 1: Choice Layton, Why don't you admit what the defence is

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Speaker 1: really going to do what you would do, and that

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Speaker 1: is take any detain, no matter how small, how microscopic,

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Speaker 1: how unrelated, Like Bueller just said, from a fisherman out

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Speaker 1: on San Francisco Bay that threw the tape out, or

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Speaker 1: if it got somehow compromised with other matter in the bay,

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Speaker 1: you would use that and run with it and pretend

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Speaker 1: that unrelated person had something to do with Lacy's murder.

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Speaker 10: Then maybe maybe desonerate or maybe it would exonerate an

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Speaker 10: innocent person, or maybe, as a detective said, it will

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Speaker 10: prove his guilt. I don't know, but there should be

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Speaker 10: no fear in testing everything and leaving no stone unturned,

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Speaker 10: so that way we can be one hundred percent sure

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Speaker 10: and one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: First is not the standard of the law. The standard

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Speaker 1: of law a mathematical certainty such as two intendals four,

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Speaker 1: but you do.

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Speaker 10: Have to be one free of any reasonable.

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Speaker 1: Doubt that's true. Okay, there you see, that's what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: We are waiting for that information to be unsealed regarding

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Speaker 1: the Duck Tape results. But as for tonight, the judge

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Speaker 1: has given a green light to Scott Peterson in his

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Speaker 1: freedom grab. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,