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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Ally here with Matt Williamson and Matt the

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Speaker 1: Steelers agreeing to terms with Mr Biskuite today to be

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Speaker 1: being a quote unquote competition between that. Yeah, they'll they'll

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Speaker 1: give Mason Rudolph a chance to be the starter. I

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Speaker 1: beat your business. I think I think they've signed him

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Speaker 1: to be the starter. You know, that makes perfect sense

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Speaker 1: to me. I think rudolso back up. But I would

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Speaker 1: Tom and Kevin Colburn's mouth will be now we have

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Speaker 1: opening day. Yeah, the high pedigree guys. We We're gonna

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Speaker 1: want Mitch to win the job. He was signed to

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo stuff off the table, thank goodness. Yeah, now

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Speaker 1: I've I've lessened with my Jimmy hate like but awkward

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Speaker 1: don't I don't love Mitch Robinski either. No, we're not

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Speaker 1: saying he's bad, you right, I mean you're getting what

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Speaker 1: reason why you wouldn't You wouldn't trade for Garoppolo who

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Speaker 1: but I'm actually glad you're saying it, not me. That's

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Speaker 1: I was thinking that would be a Dolphins move. Three years,

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Speaker 1: three years, forty million. Wow, So I assumed Schreff got

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Speaker 1: I would think so. Yeah. So you said it was

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Speaker 1: you know, for a James Daniels. Yeah. I wouldn't give

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