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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Free Wendy Williams. This after

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Speaker 1: a judge's threats on Wendy.

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Speaker 2: Who is she thinks she is threatening.

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Speaker 1: Wendy Williams after Wendy's boozy lunch out.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: Wendy Williams celebrates a victory in her controversial guardianship battle

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Speaker 3: as a judge reportedly allows the ex talk show host

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Speaker 3: queen to move from a senior living.

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Speaker 2: Facility living facility, my roar in. It was more like a.

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Speaker 1: Prison, Wendy had stated over and over. She's surrounded by seventy,

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Speaker 1: eighty and ninety year olds. No offense. But that is

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Speaker 1: not Wendy Williams' style. And I don't like the way

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Speaker 1: this judge is talking down to Wendy Williams. Uh uh

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Speaker 1: n oh, you know, a little power is a dangerous thing,

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Speaker 1: judge A listen to this.

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Speaker 4: Photographers frequently crowd below Wendy Williams window at Koderie Hudson Yards,

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Speaker 4: where the sixty year old resides in the memory care unit.

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Speaker 4: One such photographer watches as Williams throws this scrap of

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Speaker 4: paper from her window, scribbled on the note help Wendy,

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Speaker 4: the paparazzi calls for a welfare check, and hours later

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Speaker 4: NYPD officers escort Williams out of the facility into a

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Speaker 4: waiting ambulance.

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Speaker 5: Where I lived at this memory unit on this floor.

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Speaker 5: You know, I just needed a breath of fresh air,

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Speaker 5: you know. And I'm saying I needed to see the doctors.

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Speaker 5: So that's why I went to the hospital.

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Speaker 1: That's from our friends at ABC. I am on Wendy's

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Speaker 1: side here. Why is it if she's got a guardian

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Speaker 1: watching out for her, that she has to send up

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Speaker 1: a note, throw it out her window and the paparazzi

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Speaker 1: get it and they let her out with police escort.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't sound right to me? Does it sound right.

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Speaker 1: To you that she has to throw a help me

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Speaker 1: note out a window?

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Speaker 2: Where's a conservator?

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Speaker 1: Why has Wendy been in lockdown for all this time?

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Speaker 2: Listen?

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Speaker 4: Wendy Williams says she feels like she's in prison as

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Speaker 4: she continues her fight to and her court appointing guardianship

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Speaker 4: as if almost on cue. Williams may have proved her

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Speaker 4: point when the assisted living facility where she resides on

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Speaker 4: the fifth floor, Coterie calls police, claiming the sixty year

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Speaker 4: old TV host has been kidnapped by her niece, Alex Finny.

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Speaker 4: The report Coterie filed with the NYPD claims Finny evaded

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Speaker 4: staff by taking her aunt Wendy out of the building

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Speaker 4: to eat an Italian restaurant.

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Speaker 1: Uh uh huh an oh, joining me in an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: First to Jessica Fann joining me, senior investigative reporter at

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Speaker 1: the US Sun, who was at the courthouse as Wendy

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Speaker 1: is battling for her freedom and got some incredible exclusive shots.

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Speaker 1: Let me see those shots that Jessica Finn got. There's

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Speaker 1: we no Wendy is walking, she's talking, she's smiling, She's

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Speaker 1: flanked by friends, relatives. These are pictures from our friend

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Speaker 1: joining us right now, Jessica Finn at the US Sun,

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Speaker 1: just taken as Wendy battles for her freedom. Jessica, I

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Speaker 1: don't like this one bit that the niece of Wendy

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Speaker 1: goes and takes her out to a simple lunch and

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Speaker 1: then the assisted care facility i e. Lockdown actually calls

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Speaker 1: the police with a kidnapped claim on the niece.

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Speaker 2: Are you serious?

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Speaker 6: It was a wild scene for sure. So basically what

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Speaker 6: had happened is that Wendy was just released from the

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Speaker 6: hospital after being evaluated. Her niece Alex Binney, comes to

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Speaker 6: pick her up to take her back to the living facility,

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Speaker 6: but on their way back, they go to dinner and

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Speaker 6: apparently the living facility decided that it wasn't approved. There

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Speaker 6: was a conflicting reports. Alex says that they knew that

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Speaker 6: they were going out to dinner, the living facility allegedly

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Speaker 6: said that this outing was not approved and at some

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Speaker 6: point threatened to call the NYPD to file a kidnapping report.

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Speaker 1: Joining me Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psycho Alice, joining us

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Speaker 1: from the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can

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Speaker 1: see her now on Peacock and you can find her

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Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, it's

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Speaker 1: my understanding that you agree with the judge who seemingly

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Speaker 1: continues to threaten when williams like she's a petulant child.

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Speaker 7: Nancy. People in cognitive decline notoriously do not realize what's

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Speaker 7: happening to them, So let's hold that in the back

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Speaker 7: of our minds. Sokoloff is basing her decision on criteria,

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Speaker 7: not personal opinion. Wendy Williams probably had cognitive testing, neural

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Speaker 7: psych testing, and the testing showed that she was a

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Speaker 7: danger to self or others and that she had lacked ADLs,

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Speaker 7: meaning activities of daily living. The judge is looking at

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Speaker 7: that criteria.

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Speaker 1: Okay, question to you, yes, did you perform a test

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Speaker 1: on Wendy Williams? Did you, Bethany Marshall, perform a cognitive

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Speaker 7: I did not, But usually a baseline test given initially

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Speaker 7: so that we get a baseline on the patients.

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Speaker 2: So you're just speculating, are you not?

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Speaker 1: I am speculating, yes, Okay, So the fact that she

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Speaker 1: has recently passed a cognitive test does that mean anything

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Speaker 1: to you? Are you just sucking up to a judge

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Speaker 1: that is talking down to Wendy Williams like she's a

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Speaker 1: five year old that grabbed a handful of jellybeans?

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Speaker 7: Hey, Nancy is the family who said says she's what?

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Speaker 7: The family, not the not the physician who administered the tests,

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Speaker 7: us the media.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of hippa?

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Speaker 1: You think the judges you think that the daughter's going

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Speaker 1: to go out on the steps of Mount Sinai, which

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Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with, had all my prenatal tests there,

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Speaker 1: was going to have the children there until I suddenly

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Speaker 1: gave birth in Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: Mount Sinai. That's where she took the test.

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Speaker 1: And what do you expect her doctor to go out

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Speaker 1: and say, hey, she passed. Everybody, let me go out

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Speaker 1: to special guests joining us Elizabeth mcinturf, attorney specializing in

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Speaker 1: guardianship issues, a partner at Selzer Gervich.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about this type of care

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Speaker 1: facility where all the elevators are locked and you have

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Speaker 1: to have a chaperone to take you down the elevator,

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Speaker 1: and you go to lunch with your niece and suddenly

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Speaker 1: they accuse the niece of kidnapping reportedly and call police.

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Speaker 2: What about it, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 8: It sounds like very typical precautions that happen in a

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Speaker 8: memory care unit where a person who has cognitive decline

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Speaker 8: or cognitative abilities need to have a more structured environment

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Speaker 8: with more security measures, including, you know, preventing somebody from

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Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, Elizabeth, and this is your specialty. However,

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Speaker 1: when if it were being told.

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Speaker 2: Is true, and I have no reason to think it's

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Speaker 2: not true.

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Speaker 1: If they have to unlock the elevator and chaperone her

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Speaker 1: down the elevator to her niece, that is inconsistent within

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Speaker 1: calling police and threatening to file a kidnap allegation. That's

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Speaker 1: a criminal complaint against the niece. They had to let

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Speaker 1: her down to go meet the niece. So why are

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Speaker 1: they doing this just because Wendy Williams wants.

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Speaker 2: To have lunch. Let's learn a little bit more.

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Speaker 4: Feels like you're screaming for help.

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Speaker 5: Are you allowed to go out now? In the last

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Speaker 5: thirty days, I went out twice.

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Speaker 4: This sounds more like a prison than independence.

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Speaker 5: I want my right back, I want my freedom back.

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Speaker 4: TMZ presents Saving Wendy now streaming on twob.

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Speaker 2: That was our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ.

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Speaker 1: They've got a new documentary on TMZ Saving Wendy. You know,

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Speaker 1: when I listened to her speaking very coherently, I agree

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Speaker 1: with Harvey. I think this is wrong and she is

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Speaker 1: having to launch a major legal battle.

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Speaker 2: What to go have lunch?

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Speaker 1: For Pete's sake and submitting herself not only to testing

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Speaker 1: at Mount Sinai, which according to her and others, she passed.

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Speaker 1: So why is she still going to be moved to

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Speaker 1: a restrictive condo? I mean, did you hear where she's

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Speaker 1: been at the care facility? No personal belongings or electronics.

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Speaker 1: She cannot receive calls, cannot leave her room without a

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Speaker 2: Visitors have to be pre approved.

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Speaker 1: In other words, they want to give the appearance they

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Speaker 2: Your loved one.

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Speaker 1: And to top it all off, I don't like the

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Speaker 1: way this judge is talking down to Wendy Williams and

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Speaker 1: basically threatening her, saying things like and I quote, I've

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Speaker 1: always contended that William's begiven the independence she can handle.

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Speaker 1: I really, Judge, it's when were you a shrink? I

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Speaker 1: question how well she has handled the independence he has

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Speaker 1: been given. Really, what did Wendy do wrong? Haven't played apasta?

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Speaker 1: You don't like that, judge, And she goes on to

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Speaker 1: threaten Wendy, stating to the lawyer, tell your client, if

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Speaker 1: she wants a jury, she should refrain from trying to

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Speaker 1: poison the jury Pool retrow. Sounds like somebody's impinging on

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Speaker 1: Wendy williams freedom of speech. Oh there's that pesky little

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Speaker 1: bill of rights judge.

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Speaker 2: Who does this judge think she's talking to? Listen?

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Speaker 9: After a successful trial run of The Wendy Williams Show,

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Speaker 9: the talk show is broadcast internationally and Garner's two point

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Speaker 9: four million daily viewers, Williams trades off with Ellen DeGeneres

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Speaker 9: as the number one female daytime television host for years.

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Speaker 9: The daily show runs for twelve years straight, while Williams

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Speaker 9: starts her own reality TV production company with her manager

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Speaker 9: and husband and Kevin Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Oh did I just hear? Husband? Manager? Wait?

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Speaker 1: Jessica Finn senior investigative reporter us son who got this

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Speaker 1: awesome photos of Wendy going to court? Jessica there at

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Speaker 1: the courthouse when this goes down?

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Speaker 2: Husband?

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Speaker 1: You mean the guy that took all that money from

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Speaker 1: the Wendy Williams show. Him, the one that was having

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Speaker 1: a year's long affair with what was messus and then

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Speaker 1: had a baby, living what nine or ten miles away

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Speaker 1: from Wendy. I think he even had his name on

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Speaker 1: her mailbox.

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Speaker 2: That guy, That's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they are actually still fighting it out in divorce

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Speaker 6: court over money. He claims he's owed as partly as

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Speaker 6: executive producer for the Wendy Williams Show.

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Speaker 2: There was a.

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Speaker 6: Stipulation in their divorce that he was going to get

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Speaker 6: basically a several package from Wendy and then once Wells

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Speaker 6: once when he was put into this guardianship and the

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Speaker 6: bank took over her accounts, Wells Fargo shut down her accounts,

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Speaker 6: his payments stopped. So they're actually backfighting it in divorce court,

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Speaker 6: and Kevin's been in part not only trying to get

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Speaker 6: his severance payments to resume, He's also been really trying

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Speaker 6: to get access to Wendy's financial records and in part,

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Speaker 6: I think what he hopes that's going to show is

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Speaker 6: what is happening with her money since she's been placed

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Speaker 2: So while Kevin is all.

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Speaker 1: Justing moment, didn't he Jessica give up any rights to

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Speaker 1: get all up in her money when he cheated on

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Speaker 1: her with that girl and had the baby. And Wendy's

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Speaker 1: the one making all the money working. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: been on her show several times. That woman worked like

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Speaker 1: a mule. And was surrounded by people, parasites sucking all

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Speaker 1: her money.

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Speaker 2: Every time I went.

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Speaker 1: Everybody around her was just kicked back, lounging, having a

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Speaker 2: Now, why would he get access to her money?

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Speaker 6: Well, he was the executive producer for the show, and

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Speaker 6: he did a lot of work behind the scenes, right, exactly,

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Speaker 6: absolutely was and so in their divorce agreement and did.

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Speaker 2: All that when he started having sex with a mistress.

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Speaker 6: Divorce agreement he did there was an agreement for him

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Speaker 1: Well, let me be clear, the ex husband has not

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Speaker 10: In twenty seventeen, Williams passes out during a taping of

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Speaker 11: We do whatever year, So it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 5: I am not cognitively impaired, you know what I'm saying. No,

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Speaker 4: I said, you're cognitively impaired and you're incapacitated.

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Speaker 5: Do I see that way you've been You've been calling.

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Speaker 5: No, you don't see that.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing Wendy on the phone at the breakfast

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Speaker 7: Because I'm a professional. And just because she sounds intact

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Speaker 6: Okay, so we know that she has We know that

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Speaker 1: I've got so many questions right now. But doctor Kendall

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Speaker 2: That's Fort Worth. Never a lack of business there.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's got a question regarding the frontal temporal

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Speaker 12: Can get it from chronic brain trauma. But one of

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Speaker 1: Hold on, I don't want to mix apples and oranges. Look,

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Speaker 1: you're the renow medical examiner. I'm just a trial lawyer.

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Speaker 12: Frontal temporal dimension and alcohol related brain damage can be well.

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Speaker 1: Gotten that frontal temporal dementia from alcohol abuse. It's possible

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Speaker 12: Okay, so blows to the head. You have to remember

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Speaker 1: Abuse crime stories with Nancy Grace. I've got a big problem,

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Speaker 2: What you're going with that Crowns he had those tests,

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Speaker 1: Jessica Fann, Senior investigated reporter us Son, who was camped

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Speaker 6: The judge basically said that this was not enough. This

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Speaker 6: picture of what Wendy is dealing with. In the coming weeks,

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Speaker 6: it sounds like the judge is going to be having

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Speaker 6: her do another more extensive, thorough psycholological evaluation to determine

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Speaker 6: exactly where Wendy's cognitive abilities are at this point and

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Speaker 6: see you if how that's going to change the guardianship,

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Speaker 6: because it's going to change the whole nature of the guardianship.

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Speaker 6: It could get her out of the guardianship. If she

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Speaker 6: does really well, she could end up in a less

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Speaker 6: restrictive situation, she could end up a different guardian. So

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Speaker 6: this next test is really going to be the big

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Speaker 6: moment for Wendy and to see how our guardianship is

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Speaker 6: going to go moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now is Ashley Wardlaw PI private investigator, chief

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Speaker 1: operation officer at Nathan's Investigation and has extensive experience investigating

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Speaker 1: conservatorship issues. Ashley, thank you for being with us. This

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Speaker 1: is very concerning to me. I'll tell you why. If

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Speaker 1: Britney Spears and Wendy Williams have to fight tooth and

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Speaker 1: nail to get out from a conservatorship, what about the

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Speaker 1: rest of us regular people?

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Speaker 2: How could we get out of it?

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Speaker 1: If we're wrongfully put in a draconian or harsh conservatorship

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Speaker 1: where you can't even get phone calls, your room is locked,

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Speaker 1: you have to throw notes out for a stranger to

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Speaker 1: find to help you get out.

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Speaker 14: Yes, Nacy, things like this happen quite often where pis

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Speaker 14: get hired by families or other concerned individuals who want

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Speaker 14: us to investigate, you know, the well being of this

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Speaker 14: person that's being held In a case like this, for

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Speaker 14: Wendy in particular, I think a private investigator will need

469
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Speaker 14: to think outside the box because this is very complex. Okay,

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Speaker 14: So we don't only do surveillance. We actually conduct undercover

471
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 14: visits at these facilities to see, you know, if she's

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Speaker 14: being mistreated, if she's being denied, you know, certain things.

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Speaker 14: We also investigate or do surveillance on her when she's

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Speaker 14: going out to show that, you know, she's capable of

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Speaker 14: making decisions and taking care of herself. But you don't

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Speaker 14: limit the surveillance to only one person. You have to

477
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 14: keep your mind open because it could be other individuals

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Speaker 14: who may have a hand in this, and you don't

479
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 14: want to leave any stones unturned. Okay, you might miss

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Speaker 14: the golden ticket to actually save Wendy. So as the PI,

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00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 14: you know, you look at the lifestyle of people who

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Speaker 14: are close near to her or who might have a

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Speaker 14: hand in this whole ordeal. What was your lifestyle before

484
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 14: this happened, this whole ordeal, and what is your lifestyle now? Okay,

485
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 14: you also want to look into finances. Okay, were you

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Speaker 14: living a lavish lifestyle before this or are you living

487
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Speaker 14: a lavish lifestyle now? So the main concern a PI

488
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 14: would have is is she being treated fairly and also

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Speaker 14: investigating those individuals who might have a hand in this

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Speaker 14: whole ordeal. Is this something that's being orchestrated? What evidence

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Speaker 14: can we get as a PI to help save Wendy.

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Speaker 1: You know what you just said, Ashley Wardlaw, It's very convincing.

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Speaker 1: You have to look at her lifestyle before her lifestyle now.

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Speaker 1: You have to look at other people that are injecting

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Speaker 1: themselves in to Wendy's situation. Do they have a dog

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Speaker 1: in the fights, get in the game? Does it benefit

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Speaker 1: them for her to stay in lockdown or in a

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Speaker 1: controlled environment? Guys, you were just seeing pictures from our

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Speaker 1: friends at the US Sun that Jessica Finn obtained. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of money, how her money is being spent?

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Speaker 2: This lockdown that the judge had her.

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Speaker 1: In was costing nearly a quarter million dollars a year.

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Speaker 2: I don't blame Wendy.

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Speaker 5: I'd want out of it too, Listen, I want to

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Speaker 5: get out of guardian. It's spent over three years. You

506
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Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, It's time for my money and

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Speaker 5: my life to get back to status quob from our

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Speaker 5: friends at ABC.

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Speaker 3: In appointed email sent to William's attorney, Judge Lisa Sokoloff

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Speaker 3: allegedly says she has always contended that Williams will be

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Speaker 3: given the independence she can handle, but now she says, quote,

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Speaker 3: I question how well she has handled the independence she

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Speaker 3: has been given, it has said.

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Speaker 4: William's attorney got another email from the judge about Williams

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Speaker 4: talking to the media that says, tell your client that

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Speaker 4: if she wants a jury she should refrain from trying

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Speaker 4: to poison the jury pool.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: To Elizabeth J.

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Speaker 1: Macinturf, specialist a guardianship and conservatorship issues.

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Speaker 2: So let me understand.

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Speaker 1: The judge is saying, if you want a jury trial,

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Speaker 1: don't speak to the press. So in her mind does

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Speaker 1: she think she could deny Wendy Williams a jury trial.

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Speaker 1: Isn't any comment to the press something you would.

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Speaker 2: Ask you on what Dyer?

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Speaker 8: So she can't deny a jury trial. If Wendy Williams

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Speaker 8: has a right to a jury trial.

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Speaker 2: I think more what she's.

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Speaker 8: Doing is what the judiciary does in a lot of situations,

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Speaker 8: is which cautioned against public statements that can kind of

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Speaker 8: influence the outcome of a case. We're making opinions right

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Speaker 8: now based on what Miss Williams is stating or saying,

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Speaker 8: or what we're stating or saying, and the court is

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Speaker 8: an essence warning is if you want your neutral jury,

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Speaker 8: we need to make sure that we're not making an

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Speaker 8: argument in the.

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Speaker 2: Public whoa, whoa, Elizabeth mcinturf. But that's not what she said.

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Speaker 1: She didn't say, if you want a neutral jury, don't

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Speaker 1: poison the jury pool.

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Speaker 2: That's not what she said.

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Speaker 1: She said, if you want a jury trial, tell your

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Speaker 1: client not to speak to the press.

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Speaker 2: If you want a jury trial.

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Speaker 1: As if the judge could take away Wendy Williams right

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Speaker 1: to a jury trial.

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Speaker 8: If she has a right to a jury trial, she

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Speaker 8: has a right to a jury trial.

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Speaker 2: Correct, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And let's just take a look at the biography of

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Speaker 1: Judge Lisa socklouthor she was primarily a personal injury litigator.

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Speaker 1: You know, some not me, of course, but some would

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Speaker 1: call that an ambulance chaser. You know personal injury, slip

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Speaker 1: and fall, personal injury, car crash.

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00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: She also practiced in.

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Speaker 1: Family law, divorce, custody of children, splitting up assets.

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Speaker 2: For more than one.

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Speaker 1: Third of her career she was an appellate lawyer. Translation,

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Speaker 1: she sat in a cubicle and researched. That's what that means,

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Speaker 1: appellant lawyer. Interesting. And now she tells Wendy Williams, hey,

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Speaker 1: hey girl, if you want a jury trial, you better

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Speaker 1: not speak to the media. If she feels that way,

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Speaker 1: she could issue a gag order once legal proceedings have started.

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Speaker 2: But this sounds very much like a threat. And then to.

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Speaker 1: State, Elizabeth, I have always contended Williams will will be

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Speaker 1: given independence she can handle. I question how well she

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Speaker 1: has handled the independence she has been given. I'm curious, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 1: what has Wendy Williams done to deserve that comment from

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Speaker 1: the judge? I question how well she's handled the independence

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Speaker 1: she has been given.

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Speaker 2: What did she do wrong? Why would they just say

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Speaker 2: that to her?

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Speaker 8: The court is concerned with the actions that Wendy Williams

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Speaker 8: is taking right now, including the fact that she may

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Speaker 8: have had a boozy lunch, that she is potentially trying

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Speaker 8: to win a court of public opinion instead of you know,

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Speaker 8: caring about her own health.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Elizabeth, come on place, court of public opinion.

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Speaker 1: I could put a parrot up there in a cage

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Speaker 1: to just parent court a public opinion, court of public opinion.

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Speaker 2: So what.

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Speaker 1: Every celebrity courts the press and they don't get a

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Speaker 1: threat by the judge.

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Speaker 8: Celebrities do court the press. But this is a different

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Speaker 8: situation than your normal celebrity. We're in a situation right

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Speaker 8: now where we have a guardianship where we have concerns

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Speaker 8: about miss Williams and her health, with her mental health,

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Speaker 8: with how she's been treated in the past and currently,

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Speaker 8: and so the court is going to have that overwriting

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Speaker 8: concern and they want to make sure that she's protected.

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Speaker 1: You got me over the barrel, Elizabeth mcinturf about the alcohol.

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Speaker 1: But I hardly think that a glass of wine with

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Speaker 1: her niece constitutes the judge stating I don't know how

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Speaker 1: well you've handled your freedom. Isn't the the sole decider

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Speaker 1: of the facts. Isn't it their province alone, not the judge,

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Speaker 1: to establish and analyze the facts.

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Speaker 8: It'll always come down to the trier of facts to

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Speaker 8: determine whether or not, you know, this old guardianship is

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Speaker 8: appropriate or not, and that is one of the things

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Speaker 8: that they will take into account.

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Speaker 1: Wendy Williams, This by far is not the first time

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Speaker 1: a celebrity has fought to be free from a draconian conservatorship.

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Speaker 1: Britney Spears, for instance, what's the biggas I'm thinking a

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Speaker 1: lot about her residency in Vegas?

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Speaker 2: Did she want that?

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Speaker 15: No?

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Speaker 2: No, they worked her. I was a machine.

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Speaker 1: I was a machine, not even human. They literally killed me.

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Speaker 15: They basically worked her. She did rehearsals, she did the

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Speaker 15: whole thing, but she couldnot get a massaged.

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Speaker 2: She cannot go to a restaurant. Talk about isolation. That's

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Speaker 2: where my friends at Fox Nation.

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Speaker 1: When I was taping Trapped, I was speaking to Leanne Spears,

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Speaker 1: a close relative of Britney Spears. You know, let me

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Speaker 1: ask doctor Kindle Crowns and doctor Bethany Marshall about hysteria.

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Speaker 1: Hysteria female hysteria actually a diagnosis in the nineteenth century

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Speaker 1: for a behavior or symptom that made men usually uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: It could be depression in fertility, a fondness for writing.

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Speaker 1: According to historical documents, I'm very curious how much Wendy

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Speaker 1: is being penalized because she's not behaving. You ever heard

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Speaker 1: of that diagnosis, doctor Kendall Crowns. It led to a

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Speaker 1: lot of mistreatment by women, a lot of mistreatment of women,

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Speaker 1: for instance, putting them in asylums, subjecting them to all

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Speaker 1: sorts of experiments and treatments.

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Speaker 12: Well, yeah, I mean it's part of medical history, is

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Speaker 12: the diagnosis of hysteria with women. In fact, the surgery

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Speaker 12: of a hysterectomy was believed that if they removed the

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Speaker 12: uterus that the woman's issue would go away. So it's

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Speaker 12: called the hysterectomy because of hysteria, hysterectomy, et cetera. So

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Speaker 12: that is something no.

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Speaker 2: Offense, doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 1: But I think to alleviate the problem, it shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: the uterus to be removed. It should probably be the husband.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, can you jump in on that female hysteria,

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Speaker 1: because I believe Wendy is being judged. She's a woman

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Speaker 1: and she has an orthodox behavior.

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Speaker 7: You know, a hysteria is like a transient emotional state

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00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 7: that goes away. It's not a sign of anything deeper,

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00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 7: and there can also be something called pseudo dementia, where

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00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 7: a person appears to have dementia on the surface but

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00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 7: they don't really have it. I think the thing about

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Speaker 7: Britney Spears, Nancy, is that the problem is they placed

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Speaker 7: her in a conservatorship with her father. Families are notoriously

644
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Speaker 7: money hungry when they have a star in their midst

645
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Speaker 7: and in this case, what the judge is doing is

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Speaker 7: removing her from the family and putting her with a

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Speaker 7: neutral party who has no skin in the game. This

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Speaker 7: person is not going to profit financially off of Wendy Williams.

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Speaker 7: I think the elephant in the room, Nancy, I really do,

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Speaker 7: is the sign getting paid, Yes, but not millions of dollars.

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Speaker 7: She can't do to Wendy Williams what Britney Spear's father did.

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Speaker 7: That is the big difference. And Nancy, the judge is

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Speaker 7: getting it right in one respect for sure, and that

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Speaker 7: is she's sending Wendy Williams back for further testing. In

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Speaker 7: that case, she will see the progression of the disease,

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Speaker 7: which will then be compared against the baseline.

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Speaker 1: Well, Dodgor Bethany Marshall, you got me over the barrel

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Speaker 1: with her drinking. If in fact she has alcohol related

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Speaker 1: brain damage, and regarding additional tests, why not just to

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Speaker 1: be sure. But what I don't like is the judge threatening,

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Speaker 1: seemingly to take away Wendy Williams right to a jury

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Speaker 1: trial and treating her, like I said, like a petulant

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Speaker 1: child who stole some jellybeans at the candy store, reprimanding.

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Speaker 2: Her in that way. We wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, good bye friend,