WEBVTT - Talking TV with Catastrophe’s Sharon Horgan 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:08.879 Hi Katie, Hi Brian, and hello everyone again from London. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.720 When I visit the city, which is one of my favorites. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.520 By the way, I always feel like Lindsay Lohan's character 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:19.200 or characters in The Parent Trap. Remember when she drives 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:22.480 around London soaking in all the sites and sounds. It's 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:24.720 so great. I love that movie, and of course you're 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.680 always compared to Lindsay Lohan. But anyway, now that you 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.280 mentioned that The Parent Trap is actually on theme with 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:33.040 today's show, and not just because it's in London. It's 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.440 also about a divorced couple and their tug of war 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.400 over their kids. That's right. It does have a wonderfully 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.959 happy ending, but we won't get into that. But messy relationships, 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:47.040 those are today's guests, bread and butter. Sharon Horgan is 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.480 a British writer, actor, and producer whose body of work 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.840 has covered everything from dating and not being sure about 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.360 getting married, to trying to make a marriage work, to Yes, 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.920 d I v O r c E. Which, by the way, 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.520 is the name of Sharon series for HBO, which stars 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.319 Sarah Jessica Parker and Thomas Hayden Church. I guess you 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:09.080 have to have three names to be on that show, 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:11.920 and in the last dozen years, Sharon has written or 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:16.120 co written no fewer than four UK TV series and 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.480 acted in even more. Her break through show was a 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.480 dark comedy series on the BBC called Pulling And for 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.840 those of you who do not know uh and get 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.120 your minds out of the gutter, pulling is a bit 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.520 of British slang and we had Sharon explain what it 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.240 means and stay tuned for that because it is a 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.320 bit saucy. More recently, Sharon has been co starring and 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:41.240 writing the Amazon series Catastrophe, which is about to launch 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:45.600 its fourth season, and Sharon met Rob Delaney, her Catastrophe 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.320 co star and co creator, on Twitter. How very twenty 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.200 one Century of Them? That shows all about a sexy 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:57.760 fling that resulted in a row pregnancy and a new 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.920 couple trying to make a life together, getting things a 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.080 bit out of border. That's not even to mention yet 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.760 another current TV show of Sharon's motherland. And she does 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.480 really make me feel lazy Katy, I think compared to Sharon, 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.040 we're both kind of lazy brand what are we going 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.640 to do? Anyway? We were super psyched to have That's 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.959 what they say over here in Britain. Isn't it super 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:23.799 psyched to have come and do our podcast here in London, 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.919 especially after a long day of filming. And we talked 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.480 about all kinds of things for various TV shows, her 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:34.520 childhood and why she got into acting, her friendship with 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:38.160 the late Great Carrie Fisher. We also talked about the vote, 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.240 the recent vote in Ireland, the me Too movement, and 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:50.040 your favorite subject, Brian Gregsit Okay, Sharon Oregon. We're so 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.920 happy to have you here. We're here in London and 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.840 we're interviewing you. So life is good for us, but 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:58.600 perhaps not as good for you because you've been filming 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.800 all day long. You're probably exhausted and about ready to 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.480 kill us now, I mean I'm going to kill you. 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.600 It's it's a pleasure to be here. I'm just like 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.360 worried that I'm brain dead. I mean, also I'm in 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.160 trouble with my eldest daughter because I'm supposed to be 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.840 at home. But that aside, I'm more worried about just 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.840 you know, my fatigue making your show not interesting. Well, 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.919 I'm worried about your eldest daughter and please extend her 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:27.000 My apologies to her, So, so you make me feel 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.800 like such a loser. You're doing three TV shows at 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.440 at the same time. You're starting in one, writing and 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.720 producing two others. You were just in Game Night, so 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.920 obviously you're doing some film as well. You're running a 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.640 production company with your female partner, well your partner, not 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.600 your female partner. You're you're not married to your production 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.560 company partner. So are are you now? When people say partner, 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:53.080 I'm always like, Wayne, but are you loving life? Are 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:56.200 you really stressed out? What is your state of my vs? Days? Sharon? 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:00.280 I mean it kind of changes day to day. Really, 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:07.280 yesterday I hated my life and today, you know, it's 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.120 all right. It's yeah, it's a bit busy at the 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:14.560 moment because of our production company, and you know, there's 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:16.640 a few things sort of moving at the one time. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.640 But that always happens, doesn't that I mean exact right, 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.960 So I still have that slight thing of um because 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.680 I got my break kind of late in life. I'm 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:31.560 still like, you know, you've got yeah, exactly, and it's 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.360 it's ridiculous. I should just take some time off. Let's 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.080 just be, you know, like a normal person. One. But 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.080 on the other hand, it's kind of an unpredictable business. 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.200 And when your hat your hat, sister, yeah it is. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:49.320 I mean that's the problem. That's my that is the problem. 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.200 But yeah, but I mean most of the time, I 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.919 just feel pretty lucky because I enjoy my job. Like 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.720 it's hard work, but you know, it's got lots of 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.719 plus science. The good news is things are going really 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.760 really well. I mean, I'll kidding aside, you're in demand, 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.400 you're doing great work. You're doing I'm sure what you 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.159 dreamt that you could do one day. Oh god, yeah yeah, 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.359 yeah yeah, So take a moment and soak that in. 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.920 I will. I mean, people keep telling me to do that. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.400 Really nice women actually keep telling me to do that 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.400 because they sort of notice it more than anyone else, 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.760 Like just go and like, you know, have a burger 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.200 or you know, Rob and I when we first started 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:34.440 writing Catastrophe, we planned constantly that at some point when 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:36.479 we when we finished writing, like whatever, it was the 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.080 first series at that point, just like we should just go, 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.440 we should just go and have lunch, you know. And 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.240 there's never just been a moment. We're all like always 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.039 just like you know, last minute writing. It's always like 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.240 a crazy kick bollock scrumble and then you know, then 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:54.080 there's no time for lunch. So, speaking of catastrophe, of 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.280 which I'm a big fan, the name comes from orb 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.559 of the Greek as I've learned. So tell us about 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:06.520 that quote, I'm married, Um God, what is the quote? Again? 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:11.279 I'm very I have a wife, kids, house. The whole 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:15.080 catastrophe what it was about, it was it was too 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.160 I mean, we love the idea of, you know, terrible 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:23.040 things happening to regular people and those people kind of 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.560 finding a way out of it, you know. Um, but 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.279 also we like the idea that just marriage is a catastrophe, 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.480 just as a as an idea, you know. Um. So yeah, 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.280 we just I don't know, Rob came up with it, 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.120 and we just it was one of those things like 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.719 everyone will tell you that the title they give something, 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.680 it's a working title. And I really think it's looking better. 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.240 I mean everything I've ever written is like, that'll do 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.800 for now. And then you're like God, and then you 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.640 know you go with us. Well it does kind of 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:52.680 say it all. And before we talk about the premise 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.880 of the show, which is so funny and so great, 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.760 let's talk about Rapp Delaney for a second, because you 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.320 all met on Twitter, which to me strikes me as 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.640 so funny. Although I'm starting to get to know people 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.599 on Instagram and Twitter and sometimes I d M people 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.320 and you know, people tell me things on the social 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.160 media platforms and then I start talking to them and 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.000 developing a relationship. How did it happen with you and Roth? 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.400 It was kind of like that, really, Um. He he'd 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:24.760 started getting a lot of interest in the UK, UM, 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.080 just because he's he's so funny, like he's always done 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.120 these amazing one liners and he you know, he's kind 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.000 of gross and I mean the stuff he says not 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:37.440 not him and um, so I started following him and 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.320 and I noticed he was following me. And at that 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.560 point when I joined Twitter, I'd had a show on 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:47.840 the BBC called Pulling and he had somehow watched UM 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:49.960 in the US, and so he got in touch with 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.679 me just to say that he enjoyed the show and 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:54.800 and I was like, well, you're great as well. I like, 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.239 that's like you had a little Twitter flirtation. Not really, 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.040 but you know, he was pay his picture on Twitter 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.800 He's on a beach in green speedos. So yeah, okay, 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.280 an element of that I thought he looked like Buck Rogers. 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.160 So yeah, a few of us were like, oh my god, 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.800 who's this guy? And uh and then I when I 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.440 when I went to the US to work, I'd go 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.320 and see him do stand up and we sort of 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.720 kind of became friendly, and you know, we sort of 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.760 planned to work together on something. And then he Um, 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.760 the BBC originally offered him, you know, a sort of 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:30.400 script deal, and he was like, I've never written a 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.600 sitcom before. We you write with me, and and the 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.199 rest is history. They say, you never know how these 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.120 things are going to go. I mean and definitely, and 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.800 we always say it. We we literally never expected it 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.600 to go beyond writing something for fun, you know, and 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:49.040 it would get turned down and then but yeah, it 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.840 sort of it worked out. And yeah, series four, Season four, 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.560 now you're shooting now, right, And and for people who 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.960 don't love this show like Brian and I do, or 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:05.800 maybe or haven't discovered it yet, tell us quickly the premise, um, well, 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:11.440 I mean, the premise really is um. Is their partnership, 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.760 is the marriage? I mean, I guess the very genesis 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:18.880 of it is them meeting Um, you know, he they 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.440 meet they have this wonderful sort of six days in London. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.760 He gets are pregnant, and they decided to just have 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.080 a go, you know, because of their ages and situations, 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.839 and they like each other. I mean they do like 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.520 there's definitely you know, in the first episode you can 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:36.880 sort of see that there's something there and so yeah, 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:41.240 it's excited. The pregnancy is a complete show. Oh yeah, 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:45.400 I mean it's kind of slightly based on my life 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.439 situation a little in that I got pregnant very quickly 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:55.680 with you know, a man's baby, and you know, we 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.240 just decided to have a go, and you know, we're 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.320 still together. But yeah, we just we just liked the 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:06.240 idea of writing about a real marriage and and really 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:10.000 genuinely making it as words and all as possible. And 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.480 when the kids come along, we didn't want to write 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:16.000 about what it's like to be a parent. We kind 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.360 of wanted to write about what it's like to continue 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.960 to have a relationship whilst being a parent. You know, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.719 So it's never been about the kids. It's always been 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:25.720 about them. I mean, I think we've given the kid 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.800 one line in four years. The genesis, as you mentioned, 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:34.000 is based on this unexpected pregnancy. Here is the clip 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.080 from the show Let's take a listen. You just don't 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.559 think that stuff like this will happen. What they repeated, 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.000 sexual intercourse between two healthy adults will do the exact 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:45.720 thing it's supposed to do. Have you ever done a 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:52.319 science class? You know how to read. I'm sorry, I'm 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.080 not pregnant, and you are and it's because of me. 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.600 But if you're going to have this baby, he says, 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:05.080 I'm going to, Uh, well, how old are you? Look? 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.920 The good news is is that we're reasonably good people, 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.920 so we could probably do this and not fund the 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:16.240 kid up too horribly. I'm just saying, a terrible thing 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:23.080 has happened. Let's make the best of it. So are 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:29.520 you staying I'm joking, I'm staying in my spare room. 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:34.400 I'm joking. I'm a teacher. I'm a spare room. So 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.319 so much of this show, if not ripped from the headlines, 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.160 is ripped from the pages of your actual life. And 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:41.800 we'll get to your other shows and how they're ripped 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.400 from the pages of your life as well. But is 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.880 it true that nothing from this show is really made up? 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.800 That either happened to Robert to you in some form. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.400 I think we said, um in the first series that 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.600 we made up some ridiculous figure, like you know, percent 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:01.440 of it and mean there there there was a bunch 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.640 of stuff in the first series that was pulled from 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:09.640 our lives and you know, bigger ideas and small plot 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.760 lines and you know, tiny little detail. I mean, we 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:17.520 were kind of stealing. But but as it's gone on, 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.800 it's kind of become less and less because we know 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.719 the characters more and we know you know, what they 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.400 would do as opposed to what you know we would do, 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:30.360 so and it's, um, yeah, it's been an interesting process 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:34.600 in that way. I mean, they'll still always be stuff 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.960 that's real in there, because we both you know, we 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.960 arrive into the writer's room having just come from our 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.280 lives and it's very hard to leave that behind when 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:47.120 you're writing a show that's you know, has similarities. And 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.160 also the cadence I would assume sort of the dialogue 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.240 and the way you talk, I mean, even sort of 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.959 that last line when you were making the joke about 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:58.000 being a teaching that, I mean, I would imagine we're 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.720 not friends, but that's probably something you would kind of 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:06.080 riff with, riff on with your friends or with your husband. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.760 I mean we both m yeah, when when we walk 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.120 into the writer's room, we really do just start writing 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.640 down what each other are saying, you know, before we've 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:19.319 even kind of worked out any bigger sort of plotlines 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.760 and stuff that that kind of I think, Yes, how 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.200 you how you speak and how you say things, um, 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:29.360 sort of yeah, definitely comes into it a lot. Jeremy Rainboard, 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.880 your husband, who has the best name ever, by the way, 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:39.120 it sounds like a super action figure. Well, the good 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.760 news is he's home taking care of the girls right now. 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.360 So yeah, that's true. So so when he when he 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:52.680 watches this, does he ever say honey really? Um no, 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.640 I mean only in that, you know, he kind of 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.160 wishes that I dealt with my real life problems the 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.520 way you know, my character sales with them in the show. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.280 I mean she's like a kind of more emotionally developed 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:11.000 version of me, you know, like she has those feelings 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.240 and says those things, but then kind of works through 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:14.880 them and comes out the other side. I mean, I 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:16.400 just kind of feel them and then just sort of 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:20.160 store them up like a horrible kind of bubbling councor Alright, 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.240 I think you're not a good talker. No, I mean 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.960 that's unusual because usually the woman all she wants to 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.760 do is talk and the guy won't. And in your case, 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.920 your you kind of keep things bottled up. Yeah. Yeah, 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.320 that's just that's just what I've tell them to do. 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:40.720 It was an interview, it's actually a therapy session. I 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.400 have a little paper towel your head and a little 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.240 I don't know why it is, that is just it 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.600 is how it is, you know, my upbringing or something. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.720 I don't know what we'll get to that. When you 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.920 when you embarked on this journey share and were you 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.320 writing I guess because you and Rob wrote this together. 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.600 So were you cognizant of making it appealing for both 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.640 sort of both sides of the pond, if you will. 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.920 Were you writing for an American audience, a British audience, 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.400 just any old audience you could get. Well, I mean, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:18.080 I guess to a certain extent it was any old audience, 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.200 because you know, the at the time, we you know, 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.160 we had no idea where it was going to go, 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.880 what was going to happen. But once we got beyond 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.720 the pilot, yeah, we definitely, we definitely had one eye 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.240 on on both camps, and you know there's those jokes 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.440 that don't kind of go in if we feel like 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:38.960 they won't translate. Um. So yeah, and also you know 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.080 how we chose to cast it, and you know, making 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.760 sure he had an American buddy in London and you know, 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.920 getting carry and we we definitely wanted to feel like 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:54.680 there was recognizable characters to a US and a UK audience. 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.280 And you know, not that you always need that. I 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.560 mean I think if you know stories have got a 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:04.280 kind of truth in them, you know anyone would kind 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.120 of get it. But definitely now we kind of have 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.880 an eye on both. And you just mentioned Carrie Fisher, 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.040 who played your sort of evil mother in law on 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:17.320 the show, and it's extraordinary. I mean, you had dinner 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.240 with her here in London the night before she died. 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.240 You wrote a very moving tribute to her in the 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:28.080 Hollywood Reporter. Um, what made her such a complete original? Why? 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.800 Why why did you? Um, why were you so attracted 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:36.200 to her? Well? We um, we went to this awards 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.560 do where she was giving an award to Graham Norton actually, 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.120 and we weren't expecting her to be there. We were 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.400 just in the audience and she got up and she 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:49.200 did this speech and you know, like any Carrie Fisher's speech, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.520 it was kind of everything was you know, irreverend and 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:58.040 naughty and brave and very funny. And I think that 0:16:58.120 --> 0:16:59.840 was it. I think we did. We just looked up 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.320 at and went, that's um, that's your mom there, Rob, 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.760 And we just never thought for a second she'd say yes, 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:12.199 but she did. And why we we chose her is 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.679 because she is that unique person that you're talking about, 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:22.440 you know, I mean, she was a complex individual and um, 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:27.040 but mainly I think it's very, very difficult to grow 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:31.720 up in that sort of very Hollywood lifestyle. And I mean, 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:36.639 apart from that, I think it's difficult obviously being Princess Leiah, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.640 being such a so hugely famous that it kind of 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.800 almost kind of surpassed everything else. But she still, you know, 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.320 she just had a very sort of rye kind of 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.560 point of view on all that. I mean, she talked 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.479 about it a lot, and she talked about her family 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.520 a lot, and she was very open. She was really 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.440 good talker. Obviously, you could listen to her all night 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.480 and we were just desperate to get to hour from 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.639 the minute she showed up. But it wasn't until the 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.240 third season that. I don't know, it's just weird. We 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.320 just sort of clicked, you know. She just started messaging 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:13.040 me and I was like, you know, I was absolutely thrilled, 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.080 and we just started hanging out. She came to my 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.160 house in Hackney and I went for dinner and just 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:23.120 like talked a lot, laughed a lot, and yeah, it's 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:27.119 just horribly tragic because I mean, that night we had dinner, 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:31.560 there was you know, I mean, she she'd like health 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.879 troubles and stuff, you know, of course, but it just 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.280 didn't it didn't seem like someone who she seemed like 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.280 someone who had a lot of plans. You know, she 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:43.280 had a lot more to give. And she also she 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.440 loved acting. You know, that was the thing I really 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.440 sort of learned about her. She really she really wanted 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.600 to do more, and it kind of bothered her that 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.200 she didn't kind of get the opportunities that she would 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.359 have liked to have to have gotten. And but yeah, 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.800 we we genuinely felt and I'm gonna see blast and 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.520 lucky to have her for that short time. I mean, 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.600 on a ridiculous privilege. I was going to say, it 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.880 sounds like you all became actually really really good friends. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.919 And so it must have been surreal, Sharon, for you 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.679 to spend this time with her, you know, having so 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.679 much fun the night before, and then hearing the news 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.200 that this had happened. It must have been such a shock. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.240 Do you remember when you heard that and how you 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:30.200 were able to process it? Yeah? I absolutely remember, because 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.719 I was having a Christmas drinks party in my house 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:39.240 and my daughter came running down from upstairs because you know, 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:43.000 obviously she's a teenager and on social media all the time, 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.359 and they came running into the kitchen and told me, 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:50.399 and yeah, well I just had to leave my own party, 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:55.600 and I went upstairs and I start That's when I 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:57.880 started writing that article, because I thought, if I don't 0:19:57.880 --> 0:19:59.880 write down this stuff now, like what if I don't 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.440 remember the conversation, Like what if I remember the last 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:04.960 thing she said to me when she walked up to 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:07.399 her bedroom, And so like that's how I kind of 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:11.240 processed it. I just immediately started writing everything down. Well, 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.840 you know, I guess in some ways, I mean not 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.920 to to be pollyannish about it. As tragic as as 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.159 Carrie's death was. I mean, what a gift that you 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.320 got to work with her and get to know her 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:27.960 and you know, and spend time with her. But it 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.320 is it's so heartbreaking because I watched that documentary about 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:36.080 her mother and with with Debbie Reynolds, and I think 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:40.760 you're right. It was such a unique sort of situation 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:44.199 and they're living right next door to her mom, and 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:49.239 the you can understand how crazy making that whole scene was. 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:53.560 And the fact that Carrie Fisher survived and in some 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:58.280 ways thrived despite these kind of this very uh sort 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:02.680 of high octane in the light Hollywood existence, I think 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.080 is pretty remarkable. I haven't watched it yet, I think 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.920 as it came out not too long after death, and 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:10.800 I was like, I just don't think I can because 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.280 she was so and also we were editing the third 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.200 season when it happens, so we were like seeing her 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.000 every every day and she's so alive on screen. And 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:23.440 then I thought, I can't watch it, but I definitely 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.480 will at some point. It's very much worth watching for 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.680 her and for Debbie. Yeah. Yeah, Well, when we come back, 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:31.920 we're going to talk to you, Sharon about sort of 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:36.800 how you got into this crazy business. You're sort of 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:44.720 Irish heritage or for Irish heritage right your your work 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.159 with Sarah Jessica Parker, which a lot of our listeners 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.280 will be interested in. So we'll be back with more 0:21:49.800 --> 0:22:05.880 from Sharon right after this. Remember we love hearing from 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:09.720 you listeners. Listeners like Julio Lopez, who wrote this to us, 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.680 take it away, Katie. I enjoyed the show so much. 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.600 I even considered offering my services as the Lighty to 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:20.640 your barefoot contessa. That's very sweet of you, Julia, Thank 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.440 you so much, and for everyone else. Lighty is Ena 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.639 Garten's assistant who was featured in the interview we taped 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:30.440 in INA's kitchen. Julia also wrote, I would be remiss 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:33.000 if I did not mention that Katie singing Oh, I 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.119 love this, Julia is one of the highlights of the show. 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.720 Well for some of us, Well, thank you very much. 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.639 Don't worry. I'm going to keep those hits coming. We 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:46.240 also heard recently from an Irish listener, gosh, we're so international, 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.280 Brian named Thomas. Why don't you read that one and 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:52.040 try not to do it with an Irish accent? Oh damn, 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.840 I was about to sure think, Thomas writes, I have 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.320 to say that the Trump era has somewhat changed the 0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.320 image of your country to the rest of the world. 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.520