WEBVTT - Ep. 43: Bear Grease [Render] - Nine Miles In Reverse and Raccoon Camp 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:17.080 Yeah. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.680 of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.200 where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:30.040 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.320 HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.280 that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.559 Dan's instinct for where his mic she goes, it's like 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:53.320 really off. Then every time we put on microphones, he's like, 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.080 you can tell her he thinks he's about to get 0:00:55.080 --> 0:01:03.120 in trouble. Kinds it doesn't make it doesn't make eye contact. 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:04.760 And then I look at him and he won't look 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.080 at me. And his mic is like jammed up in 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.920 his nose, and like every time he breathe it sounds 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.200 like a rhinoceros. I'm nervous. I'm looking. I know a 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.720 lot of times when we when we're setting that in 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.160 the World Headquarters, I hear breathing and I'll stop and say, 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:21.760 is that means they're out here? And I look and 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:29.280 I'm watching everybody watching. Usually I'm watching his chest go 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:39.960 up and down, like, oh, well, welcome to the Beargrease Render. 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.360 What this is. Yes, I feel like I need to 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.920 explain what the burgary S frender is because if somebody 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.240 here's like, man, the Beggars podcast is awesome, I need 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.040 to listen to it. And they come to a render, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.320 they may not know what it is. They may hear 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:58.000 Dan breathing profusely through the microphone the Bgaras Russian his 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:01.800 microphone with his my stache. Yeah, the Bargery surrender is 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:08.760 the the the secondary part of the Burgrease podcast, which Isaac, 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.640 why don't you tell him what the Beargrease podcast is? Uh, 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:20.799 it's a it's a storytelling podcast. Is the guy that works. 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:28.040 The Bargaras podcast is a documentary style podcast, Yes, taking 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:35.440 things forgotten but relevant. Yes. Uh, anthropology, history, stories, biology, 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:41.040 human history, human psychology. I once heard it described as 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.320 things that you could get excited about. Yes, So that's 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:50.520 what the Bargaries podcast is every other week, well produced. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.640 And then the render is when we break down, we 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:58.440 render down and render a metaphor render. The word render 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.560 is a metaphor for what you due to bear fat 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.480 to make it into bear grease. So you render it down, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.520 you melt it down, apply heat and so the Bargreasur 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.960 Render is where we talk about the previous week's podcast. Okay, 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.840 with this kind of an eclectic group of people, different 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:17.720 people every time, usually there's some people that are consistent. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.160 So welcome to the Beargrease Render. And on this render 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.680 we're gonna talk about the podcast that came out last 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.200 week called Where the Red Fern Grows, Part one, The 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:32.239 Peculiar Life of Wilson Rawls. So we are right now 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:38.440 near the town of Augusta, Arkansas. Is that correct? Yep? Augusta, 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.680 Arkansas is in the Delta region of Arkansas. I've spent 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.120 quite a bit of time in the Delta region of 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.320 Arkansas this year duck hunting and then now we have 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:50.680 come to what has become known as Coon and Squirrel 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:55.480 Camp with Brent Reeves, hosted by Brent Reeves. Good to 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.480 be here, bad you guys are here. This is actually 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.760 we can think in for this. You're welcome boys, we 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:08.640 can yep, was it for anything? Four months ago we're 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.160 finishing a render at the World Headquarters. Heed said, man, 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.920 we need to get together and gokuna and that's all 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.720 it took. He lit the fuse and bang, here we are. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:23.960 I'm like the spark that that lights y'all's souls on fire. Yeah, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.240 so and good had a good idea. So we have 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.159 We're here for two nights. We got here yesterday on 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.880 a Friday. We kun hunted last night. We'll talk about 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.320 that where you scure hunt a little bit this morning, um, 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.560 and then and then we're gonna coon hunt tonight. If 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.600 the score hunting a little bit is foreshadowing, it was 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.039 a little bit, it wasn't. It wasn't a lot of Yeah, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.360 it wasn't a lot of It was a little scure hunting. Hey, 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.719 I want to start off before I introduce everybody. I 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.640 have a story to tell you guys that is relevant 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.640 to the coon hunting series that we're doing because knut 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:01.120 has been a fairly substantial sector of my outdoor life. Okay, 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:06.640 And when I was in the ninth grade, my good 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:11.920 friend Nick Cunningham, he his dad came to us, we're 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.159 fourteen year old boys, and said, I think you boys 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:18.159 should get coon dogs. And I had never coon hunter before, 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:22.200 and they took us coon hunting with So Nick's uncle 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.240 had coon dogs or his cousin had coon dogs. We 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.360 went coon hunting with his with his cousin, and I 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.400 remember we were hunting in National Forest and he had 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.800 two blue ticks, Teresa and Trooper, and Teresa was real 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:39.200 coon dog, and we we road hunted back in the 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:44.040 in the long drainages of the Washtall Mountains. Washtall Mountains 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.120 run east and west long east east west running ridges, 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.040 so the roads travel either the tops of the mountains 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.039 or the bottoms of the mountains along creeks, and so 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.719 there's long stretches where there's just roads going by creeks. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.119 And so you road hunted your dogs at night, turned 0:05:58.120 --> 0:05:59.920 the dogs out in front of the truck and just 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.960 drove down the roads and your dogs just hunted like 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.119 quail dogs, you know, out in front of the truck. 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.000 The dogs struck, and I really don't remember the sequence 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.880 of events, but the dogs ended up on a The 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.000 coons typically if they're on the creeks, they go right 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:15.760 to the top of the mountain and tree, and I 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.359 remember that Teresa and Trooper treat on top of that mountain. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.159 We walked up there, and at this point I still 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.040 didn't think much about coon hunting, you know, it was 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.080 just going out in the dark with these dogs and 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.960 it was cool, but nothing was that unique about them. Man, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.640 When I saw those dogs tread and we shot that 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:36.679 coon out and those dogs ended up at the bottom 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:40.440 of the mountain after the coon kind of jumped out, 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.760 and it was like the most exciting thing I had 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.240 ever been a part of in my life. And I 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.960 was like, I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.120 get into this. And then Nick's dad came to us 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:52.839 and said, hey, y'all need to have some coon dogs. 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:54.599 You'll need to get some coon dogs. He went to 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:59.000 the Arkansas Democratic Gazette and the printed version of the Gazette, 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.760 which all there was at that and there was a 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.600 litter of blue tick raish your blue tick coon hounds 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.920 for sale about an hour away from where we lived. 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:15.880 On New Year's Eve, about I think, we drove in 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:22.400 the cunning Hams like total like mom mini van kind 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:26.440 of van hour and a half and bought a pair 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.960 of bought a we were going to buy one dog. 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:33.160 And when we got there, the dogs were The dogs 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:37.840 were a hundred dollars apiece, and Jeff Cunham knew how 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.960 to roll. He picked out the dog we wanted. We 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.880 started to walk away. He turned around and he said 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.280 I'll give you fifty dollars for another dog, and the 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:54.680 guy said deal, and so Jeff paid a hundred fifty 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.840 dollars for a pair of dogs I remember we got. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.080 When we got back in the truck, Jeff said, I 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.480 could tell that fan needed an extra fifty bucks. It 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.120 was they were like and it was New Year's Eve. 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.360 He said, those kids will have a better Christmas. I'll 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:10.440 never forget that. He actually said that New Year's come 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.680 after years, say New Year's Christmas Eve? Okay, I just 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.800 I didn't want. I didn't didn't want. Okay, changes everything. 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.800 I'm sorry. Did I say New Year's Eve? Christmas Eve? 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:26.960 It was Christmas Eve? And we get these dogs. And 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.679 then here's where I'm gonna speed this story up a lot. Okay. 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:33.120 We named the dogs Macy and Maddie. My dad, Gary Newcomb, 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.679 wanted me to name them after the president during that time. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.760 We won't mention his name after his wife and daughter, 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.320 but we're not going to mention their names. And I said, Dad, 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.720 that's a bad idea. So we named the dogs Macy 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:50.800 and Maddie. There were registered blue ticks and um and 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.240 we raised the dogs and they were never very good. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.480 They just weren't They just weren't great dogs. We didn't 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:57.800 know what we were doing. We didn't get to hunt 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:03.480 them very much. And I started getting uh coon Hound 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:07.920 Bloodlines magazine and I started seeing all these big, awesome 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:11.560 pictures of stud dogs and coon haum Bloodlines magazine. I 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.200 still have the picture that I ripped out of the 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:18.280 magazine of East Texas Blue Thunder. Who was in who 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.360 was in uh uh Center Texas, which is a six 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.080 hour drive from where I lived. And I was a 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:29.160 junior in high school, and I said, Dad, I need 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.920 to go to Center Texas. I'm buying a pup out 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.680 of East Texas Blue Boomer And it was a beautiful picture. 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:37.720 Like I I had to find it and put it 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:42.280 on Instagram. Gary Newcomb and I this is dad was 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.480 a good dad. He was like, Okay, I'll drive with 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.320 you down to Texas. We drive to Texas pick up 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.200 a pup. I named him Newcomb's washing Tall Southern Blue 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:55.640 Thunder's Mouthful. And this caused a major breakup with me 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:59.800 and Nick. We we worked this out back in the day, 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.280 but I was I didn't handle it right like I 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.080 owe Nick an apology, which I apologized him, but I'll 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:09.040 do it again publicly. I wanted to get out of 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.679 our pair of dogs. I was like, these dogs aren't 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:17.480 for me, but we were partners, and so we got 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.160 like mad at each other. He got he kind of 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.080 got upset with me, and I was in the wrong 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.880 for even just like you know, bring it up and 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:26.839 so you know, like trying to get out, Like why 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.720 didn't I just the dog? Yeah, I failed on the 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:35.280 dogs basically like a single parent exactly. And that's why 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.800 I want to officially apologize to Nick. Um. And so 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:43.920 I remember, like I talked it over with them and 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.079 in in anyway, it was kind of like a big deal. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:48.960 And uh, anyway, I ended up getting this dog and 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.840 I still feel bad about that. Um, so sorry Nick. 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.920 And uh, East text blue Thunder no, no excuse me, 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.600 Lucole Southern Washington. Blue Under never made much of a dog, 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.679 but he he had an active name. So you ditched, 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:12.839 You ditched your forma in favor of U the new 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.640 shiny thing, which didn't turn out to be much any exactly. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:20.160 Man never saw that coming. Yeah, and uh and then 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:25.959 East texta blue No, not East texta Thunder. He incessantly 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.160 barked in a dog box, like, I could not get 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.400 him stopped. And we didn't have electronics back then, and 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:36.040 so anyway, we uh, you know, he just like it 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:37.679 pretty much. If he wasn't hunting, he was gonna be 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.040 barking the entire time he was in the box. I 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:41.920 couldn't get him stopped. I mean I could. I tried 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.840 every trick in the book, couldn't get him stopped. And Um, 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.440 Anyway that I said all that to say that Nick 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.760 and I when we hunted together with our dogs, we 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:56.440 had to kind of infamous coon hunting run ins that 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:00.600 we talked about this day. The first one as we 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.120 were driving his dad's old truck called the Gray Ghost, 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.000 and we were hunting out in the National Forest and 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.480 we were sophomores, so we would have been like sixteen. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.640 We drove out, we got nine miles away from our 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.480 camp and the transmission went out on the truck and 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.000 we're there were no cell phones, no nothing, you know, 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.679 just like back in the night you didn't have cell phones. 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.600 She did, no communication. You're just walking out, you know. 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.760 But we found out that the truck would drive and reverse. 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.080 Serious we it would not drive forward, but it would 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.400 drive and reverse. And we drove nine miles back to 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.760 camp in reverse. We took turns because our next hurt 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:50.400 automatic automatic turn. Okay, I'm I know I'm hugging the 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.439 I'm doing a monologue here, but I just couldn't help it. Um. 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.400 And so the second thing that happened was one night 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.960 after we played a basketb All game. It was late 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:03.960 at night, I mean we got done with a basketball game, 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:05.839 like at ten o'clock and it was late in the 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.680 winters after the first year. So was in January February. 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.880 We jumped in Nick's dad's truck. Nick's dad is great man, 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.720 still is a good guy. And um, he had an 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:22.280 extended cab, long bed, full size Chevrolet pick up. I mean, 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.360 the thing was like eighteen feet long, two wheel drive. 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:30.600 We went out in National Forest and went on a 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.840 a section of road that it's pretty remote that goes 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.040 from one community to another community. But it's basically like 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.880 a one lane road for about six or seven miles. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:46.280 And we're road hunting the dogs and we we decide, 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:47.800 you know, the dogs get away from us and we 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:49.200 don't know where theyre, and we decided we need to 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:53.640 turn around. Well, we decided we can just turn around 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:55.599 right here in the road because we couldn't find a 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:57.600 place to turn around, and so we started doing like 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:01.080 the fourteen point turn in the This is basically one 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:05.640 lane road with an eighteen foot truck, and the truck 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.880 just absolutely gets wedged in between the two banks of 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.080 the road. I mean like the bumper is up on 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.160 the bank in the front and a bumper is up 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.960 on the bank in the front, front and back, and 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.320 I mean just like all of a sudden, it's just 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:27.000 like we're stuck bad. And so this is we were 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.280 still hunting Macy and Maddie at this time. This was 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:38.960 prey and so we're right in the dead middle of 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.440 this road. So we could walk either way, but we 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.080 feel like the closest way to walk is to walk, 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.160 you know, to the to the east is what it 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:52.360 would have been. And it's several miles to a little community, 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.880 a rural, little rural community, and we knew that one 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.560 of our English teachers lived in that community. His name 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:03.720 was Mr McMasters, and so we just take off walking. 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.080 Was the plan, to just walk through town the middle 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.040 of the night, calling for Mr McMasters. It's not a town, 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.560 it's like a community, meaning there's like four houses like 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.640 surrounded by national for us. So you got one that 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:19.000 we just knew that Mr McMasters lived in that community. 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.400 You're either gonna get Mr McMasters or you're gonna get shot. Yeah, 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.400 And so we walk and I don't know how long 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.120 it took us, but you know, several miles through the dark, 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:33.320 and we get to Mr McMaster's house around one am, 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:37.320 and he is he was our ninth grade English teacher, 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.560 and he was like just like the nicest man in 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.000 the world. And so, you know, we were nervous to 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.560 knock on the door, and we were you know, I 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.360 remember it was like, who's gonna knock? And I'm like, 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:53.360 you're gonna knock. And so anyway, we go up the door, knock, 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.000 and we hear wrestling around, and you know, we knocked 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.120 all louder and we hear more wrestling, and we hear 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.720 Mr McMaster's wife say who's there, and we go it's 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.840 Nick and Clay from school. Our truck stuck. We need 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:12.480 some help, and she just goes okay, and the next 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:16.360 thing we know, Mr McMasters just like springs out of 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.520 the door like fully dressed. Hey, what do you do. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:25.040 It's great to see you and he was, and we're like, 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.000 we've got your truck stuck, and he's like, oh, no problem, 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.280 I got I got my four wheel drive. We'll just 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.680 go in there and get it out. And so Mr 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.840 McMasters drives back in there, gets us unstuck at one 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.280 in the morning, and then we drive home, get home 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:42.440 at four in the morning. I remember that. And uh, anyway, 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.600 that was the story. Did you find the dogs? We 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.640 got the dogs. They met us on the road on 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.760 the way to McMaster's house, so the dogs were with 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:51.640 us when we went back. So we had to load 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.920 the dogs up and Mr McMaster's truck to get back. 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:55.920 Did he get it or did you have to, Like 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.280 you know that book where the red Fern Grows? We 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:03.560 were doing that. Oh man, he was English teacher, I 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.520 know for sure would have known about where the red 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.360 friend growth. That feels like a missed opportunity. Yeah, can 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.480 you get him on the second part. I wrote a 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.640 poem about coon hunting when I was in the ninth 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.720 grade in his class, and I still remember a phrase 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:20.960 of it. I'll tell you later. Um, hey, we have 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:25.760 some we have two sort of guests today. We have 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.560 Michael Roseman with us. So this is part where we're 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:32.639 gonna introduce guests. Michael roseman Man, good to see you, 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.480 Good to see you, good to be here. Michael's a 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:40.600 coon hunter, Michael's uh friend of Brent Reeves, and uh 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:46.080 so we got Daniel Rupe, Josh bill Maker, President, Brent Reeves, 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:52.280 Isaac neil h. We'll get back to Michael Isaac. Did 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.520 you know Isaac works with meat Eater? Now? Is that 0:17:55.560 --> 0:18:00.000 appropriate way to say that? I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.680 it's a true story. Yeah, Isaac is helping me a 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.919 lot with Bargeras right now. He's uh, he he is, 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:12.719 He's uh, come alongside and is helping with just every 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.000 part of the Burgers podcast. So that's a big deal. 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:21.159 I'm the Chief Facilitating Officer yep, CFO, quite a title, 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:26.520 facilitating whatever. Maybe you can clean this mess up. Yeah, 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:31.880 So Isaac is a Isaac is a photographer, videographer, lets 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.359 the Spring film Missouri and all around good guy. So 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.840 they brought in a fixer, is what they did. They 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:42.720 were like, Isaac, go in there, fix it, fix it. 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:49.119 So Michael is a lifelong coon hunter and you have 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.239 a light company called sun spot Lights. That's how I 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:57.399 know you. Yeah, um, Brent, tell us about sun spot lights, 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.439 because you're going to be better at it than me. 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.399 Sit in the dark man. They really are. Here's how 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.840 I got to introduced to it my buddy Rex, who's 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.720 painfully obviously and absent from the from this, but he's 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:13.240 on his way up here. He's gonna be here in 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.879 time to help us eat fish here later on. But 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:18.840 he was wearing he was wearing when we started hunting. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:23.840 And you know, Rex and I met. He drove up 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:25.240 in my yard and pulled up in the yard one 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.639 day as iut there clearing out my dog box. He 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.119 wanted to know what kind of dog I had. You know, 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.120 people didn't live in my part of the country either 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.480 duck hunter. They either got labs or coon dogs, one 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.760 or the other. And turns out, right after I first 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.520 got Whalen and we became he's an old coon hunter, 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.520 and we became friends. And he was wearing a sun 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.159 spot light and he's and h he said, and he 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:51.240 introduced you to to Michael, my friend lives up at McCray. 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:53.840 McCray that's just right up the road. He's like, yeah, 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.080 he makes these, he makes these lights. And we started 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:01.800 hunting together and became friends, and it's a good quality 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.400 of product made right here in the old US of eight. Yeah, 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.240 right in the old backyard. Well, listen, I go up 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.560 and watch Michael work. I said he does. He doesn't 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:13.560 help that said. My wife likes him for some reason, though, 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:18.040 so he sits on that side of the room with 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:23.800 her too. She's been trained to manipulate people always. I'm 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:28.720 still not entirely convinced Brent isn't undercover. Is a double 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:33.479 undercover agent. And I thought that there's so many layers. 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.480 Now one day he's gonna flip out of his badge 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.480 and be like Clay all this time. I really wasn't 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:45.359 your friend. It was after you undercover. I got a question, 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:47.480 would you describe it more as a light company or 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:51.000 a hat company? Well, I can sell lights without hats. 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:55.320 I've only seen the hats. Well, and come off. Can 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.240 you paint a picture for people who haven't seen your lights? 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.880 When you say you gotta light company, could you tell 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:02.680 us about a coon light? That was what a coon 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:07.080 light is. So we made the first cap light is 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.400 what you guys are referring to. In two thousand and nine, 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.520 I made it for another guy. It was called the 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:17.080 smart light UM. Then in two thousand and ten, I 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:22.920 started sun Spot and it's UM used to we had 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.119 what you wait a minute, described the first thing you 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:29.840 said that caplight like a soft cap. So no, so 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:36.560 it's totally totally enclosed system, self contained system with the 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.800 battery and the head of the light on the helmet 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:43.520 or because used to. When I walked to Mr McMaster's house, 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:47.159 I was carrying a four pound battery pack on my belt. 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.359 You had a with a wire that went up to 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.760 a hat that had my light. That's how because coon 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:58.760 unders need massive superpower light. Yes, I started with a 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.919 car battery and a backpack. Really really you needed some 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.720 serious light. We were serious about it. I'm talking to 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.359 twelve vote truck battery and a backpack hooked to a 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:12.520 giant sun spot spotlight. It was called a sun spot 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:14.479 was what That's where the name of the company come 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:17.840 from when I was a little kid. And so okay, 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.720 so that's what you mean by the batteries have much 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:24.000 improved by the way, well, batteries and led lights. Okay, 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.760 so described the modern sun spot light like because a 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:28.480 lot of people wouldn't know what a coon light was. 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:32.080 So it has a battery box on the back, cord 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:34.760 attached to a head on the front. We make them 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:38.240 with switches to control different L E D s on 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:41.080 the head and on the battery box. Either way, it's 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:44.720 like a hard It looks like a hard plastic bumbcap, 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:49.360 a bump capump. Well, there's many ways to where basically 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:53.840 the light is designed to ride on your head. There's 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:55.800 multiple ways that can ride on your head. It can 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:57.640 ride on your head and what I'd call a hard 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.920 hat or a bump cap or a coal miner's hat. 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.280 It looks like a coal miner's light. Like great Grandpa 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:05.119 was a lead miner and he has we have his 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.600 helmet looks exactly like that. Yeah, we still make them 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:12.440 much better belt also, so we'll take that same battery box, 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:13.840 put it on a longer cord. You can put it 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:16.280 on your belt. Some guys get headaches from helmets or 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.480 hats or whatever, and we'll put it on a long 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:20.239 cord the head and they'll just throw it over their 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:22.640 shoulder and use it in their hand like a flashlight. Hey, 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:25.600 listen to this, Okay. I think there's a big market 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:29.840 for non coon hunters to use the lights that we use. 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:33.400 As coon hunters because people that are that are interacting 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:35.840 with wild places. I don't know if y'all know this, 0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:39.360 but typically it's dark about as long as it's daylight 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.960 this part of the world, especially on the solstices. Um 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:47.800 and uh and this is getting deep. But if you're hunting, 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.040 you have to interact with nighttime. You shoot your white 0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:53.240 tailed deer hunter, you're walking in the stand before daylight. 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.920 You're tracking deer in the dark. If you're like me, 0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:59.760 I wear my light every single day feeding my dogs 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:03.040