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Speaker 1: Peculiar Life of Wilson Rawls. So we are right now

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Speaker 1: as my coon light. And he was like yeah, whatever,

424
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, let's go outside right now. I

425
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: was in the dark and he turned on his light

426
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: and then I turned on my sun spot light and

427
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: it was a it was a light they had made

428
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: for hog hunting or something, and it was just it.

429
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: It was a bright light, no doubt, but it was

430
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: like night and day. And I was just like, Bros,

431
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about when you talk

432
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: about lights until you talk. So like, I'd like to

433
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: circle back on that first experienced coon hunting last night,

434
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: it became immediately apparent why you need a bright light.

435
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: But can you describe that to somebody who hasn't been

436
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: What do you mean why we need one? Yeah, well,

437
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean just it's just highly specific. You get to

438
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: the tree, you're looking for a tiny object that has

439
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: is it looks like a tree branch's camouflaged like a

440
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: tree branch, and you're just trying to catch the smallest

441
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 1: glimpse of him whatever. Third up, Yeah, yeah, I mean

442
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: you're just like you're you're participating in a hunting practice

443
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: that takes place at night, and you know you might

444
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 1: as well just be able to just light the world up.

445
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: But what these coon lights have, like Michael makes, is

446
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: they have multiple multiple variables. So like you can turn

447
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: on a walking light, which is like in in the

448
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: click very easy click of a twist of a knob,

449
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: it goes to a walking light, which is a really

450
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: wide soft light that it's made for walking out of

451
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: the woods, and it uses less battery. How long will

452
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: your typical light run with just the walking light running?

453
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: Like how long? So we give burn times and I

454
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: would tell you that I would say fifteen hours on

455
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: the walk light, but that's how long it will be bright.

456
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: It'll start deeming after that it'll probably burn twenty two

457
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: before it goes out. Okay, so twenty two. Think about

458
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: if you left a flashlight on your house for twenty

459
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: two hours, I mean it would burn out. This light

460
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: off a single charge would run twenty two hours. You

461
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: could walk out of the woods if you just left it.

462
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: If you left it on and went to bed and

463
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: you woke up, it would still be bright. Now, the

464
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: the full beam when you turn it onto spotlight, Now

465
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: that you're not using that all the time, so you

466
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: don't need that full power. But what would be the

467
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: burn time on like full high beam, same thing we

468
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: advertise seven if full power, it starts to d M

469
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: after that and it'll go about twelve before it's dead.

470
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's incredible. And so I take my coon

471
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: lights on back country hunts, Like when I go away

472
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: back in the mountains in Montana and I see guys

473
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: carrying the little little little head lamps you know that

474
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: the things see their toes in their tent, And I'm like,

475
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: that's the only thing you got to get out of

476
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: here if we have to get out of here in

477
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: the middle of the night. And they're like yeah, and

478
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not as smart as you look and like,

479
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: look at this and I step out of the tent. Yeah,

480
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: I think the thing for those of us that are

481
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: not a depth coon hunters with that have the trained

482
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: I to find them in the in the tree. The

483
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: thing I like about is the model that that some

484
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: of you guys had on last night has a laser pointer. Yes.

485
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: We started putting a laser on them a few years

486
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: because I'm like, where is it? Where is it? Where's there?

487
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: Like right here? Click and yeah, put a really neat

488
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: feature on the light. You click a single button and

489
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: it puts a green laser out so you can point

490
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: out stuff from a long distance. But he's right there.

491
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: So now I'm a big fan coon lights. And and

492
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: really I mean for this in the sales pitch for

493
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: sun Spot, I mean, but it's like I just love them,

494
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: use them all the time. It's a great light and

495
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: um yeah yeah, and so it's there there. There are

496
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: a lot of companies to make coon lights, you know.

497
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of and a lot of

498
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: them are good. There's a lot of there's a lot

499
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: of great lights. Yeah, there's a lot of great lights. Well, okay,

500
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: let's talk about her hunt last night before we go

501
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: down any further. We went coon hunt last night and

502
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: we're down in the delta. There's a lot more raccoons

503
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: down here than in the mountains. Yeah, and a lot

504
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: of water, a lot of water. So we we cut loose.

505
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: The sequence of a coon hunt would be you go

506
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: out typically right it dark. We were out a little

507
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: bit later last night because we didn't get here, but

508
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: typically right it dark, and uh, we had We were

509
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: hunting four dogs, two walker dogs and two of my plots.

510
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: So we turned all four dogs loose at the same

511
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: time in an area that we believe there be to

512
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: be raccoons close by, and that that understanding would just

513
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: come from years of hunting. And it's not rocket science.

514
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of coons on the landscape, but coons

515
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: like water. Coons like hardwood timber in the winter because

516
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: a lot of acorns and different things still on the

517
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: ground that they're eating. And so you know, you guys

518
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: just knew, Hey, this block of hardwood timber by the river,

519
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna have coons. Well, we actually cut loose there

520
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: last night because it had least a chance for us rounding. Yeah,

521
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: a lot of water and would you say, the conditions

522
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: were just about perfect for a hunt. Hey, if y'all

523
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: had him in coming in front of the fireplace at

524
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: exactly So Michael brought it up. We did a meat

525
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: Eater film deal last February, like with snow ice Mgeddon

526
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: in Arkansas and we were out there with Michael Lanier,

527
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: were on mules squirrel hunting in the snow, gonna go

528
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: coon hunting that night. And I had turned to Michael.

529
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: We weren't treating any squirrels, and I said, Michael, we're

530
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: kind of at a moment when there was a decision

531
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: of like what we were gonna do, which way we're

532
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: gonna go? And I said, Michael, what would you do

533
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: if we weren't here, if it was just you? And

534
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: he said, I wouldn't be here. And I was like,

535
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: great point, Let's say you were here and you're just

536
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: by yourself now. So, yeah, it's tough conditions thus ice

537
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: on the ground, you know, And and um, yeah it was.

538
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: It was cold. I think it was twenty seven we

539
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: cut loose. It was twenty five before we get done.

540
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: And it was normally Michael to tell you, normally it

541
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: gets below freezing. I couldn't down here. They just don't

542
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: stir much. Now, the thing we got going for us

543
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: was this is probably the peak of the rut and

544
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: of the coon rut. And because of the ice on

545
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: Wednesday and that being Friday, they've been dend up, you know,

546
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: not going anywhere because of how cold it is for

547
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: about three days. So they're going to stay in the

548
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: dance along. They're gonna have to get out a little bit.

549
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: You add that into being the rut, and you know,

550
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: we think we one of the trees we think had

551
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: a you know, pretty good a sound that was in

552
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: season in there, and that kind of was like the

553
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: perfect storm and the terrible and terrible conditions and we

554
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: were able to make some trees last night and look

555
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: at some coons. Can we treat five coons? Last night?

556
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: Saw five coons? Didn't we? Yeah, we actually saw we

557
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: made more trees and salt coons and we did Dan trees.

558
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: Was what I figured we all thought we would do.

559
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, I figured we'd make dens and slicks.

560
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: We'll make we'll make Dan trees. And I figured we'd

561
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 1: make the slicks because the walkers. But I feel like

562
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: you need to do a whole series goes, that's a

563
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: low blow. Don't start disambiguating the language of coon hunting. Yeah,

564
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: you're talking about dens, slicks trees. Clay would probably have

565
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: a better handle on the slick tree. I figured he

566
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: could describe them. Yeah, so a dent tree is a

567
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: hollow tree. So your dog will often tree a dent

568
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: tree and you don't see the coons. You can't kill

569
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: in tree is bad. It's like dog gone. It's got

570
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: a hole in it. It means the coon's up in

571
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: the hole. Now, Billy Coleman, and where the red fern grows,

572
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: And because where the red fern grows is out of graphical,

573
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: we can only assume Woodrow Wilson Rawls, who served three

574
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: terms in prison, would have also cut down a tree. Yep,

575
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: it would have cut down a tree. But we don't

576
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: do that anymore. Some people do. I have friends that will.

577
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: Now I've tried to smoke them out. Yeah, we've smoked

578
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: them out. I have a friend that carries a hatchet

579
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: and he'll cut a hole in a dn tree to

580
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: be able to look in it and see if as Yeah,

581
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: a dent tree isn't marketable timber anyway. I think of

582
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: it more of you know, just like good habitat, you know,

583
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: and now they have another hole to go on. Yeah, no,

584
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm off for cutting a hole in it. It's I'm

585
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: on private land, just reeled their home. Man. So so

586
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: den trees I gotta yeah, I got a good dent

587
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: tree story, but um, a slick tree. A slick tree. Well,

588
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: first of all, okay, if we're talking about coon hunters,

589
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: we got to talk about how den trees are often

590
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: the the often dogs will tree on den trees and

591
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: we all know that there's probably not a coon in there.

592
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: Often dogs that are no good. It's true, it's true.

593
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: So you go to a dent try and it's kind

594
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: of like did your dog go backwards on this track?

595
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: Because like a coon could come out of the tree,

596
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 1: out of a den and leave, and then your dogs

597
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: hit the trail wrong. Go to the dent tree, smell

598
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of coons, sing and be like tree and

599
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: so it's always really nice. Like last night happened twice

600
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: where we were able to look in a hole and

601
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: see a coon and dentry, which is which is pretty good.

602
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the dent try thing. So when

603
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: you when you's like oh, it's a dent tree. You're

604
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, how many dent trees your dog

605
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: tree on all the time? Okay, slick trees. And you

606
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: heard me give a sucker punch to these two guys

607
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: a minute ago, and then they sucker punched me back. See,

608
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: there's stuff going on that normal people don't even know

609
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: what's happening. Hunting POLITI yeah, big time, big time. So

610
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: the coon hunting world is very opinionated on the types

611
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: of dogs they like to use. Okay, and by far

612
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: the most popular breed of dog, it's a walker tree

613
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: dog walker coon. I mean, like, Michael, would you say

614
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the coonhound world dogs are walkers and

615
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: then the other it's like six breeds of tree dogs

616
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: would would be the other. Sure for people that competition hunt,

617
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: probably of those are walker dogs. A big majority of

618
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: the rest are not. For the guys that just simply

619
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: pleasure hunt, um, a big majority of those are blue ticks,

620
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: black and tans, that sort of thing. I've always kind

621
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: of liked that that that term pleasure hunting. It seems

622
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: kind of like old school. Yeah, it's kind of like, uh,

623
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: thatwards just pleasure hunting. It's a good descriptive though, I mean, like,

624
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: why are you coon hunting? Fun? I guess I can

625
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: get pleasure around of pleasure hunting just to pleasure walkers.

626
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: And Brent and Michael have walkers and fine pair of

627
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: walk Both of them are yeah, nice hounds. They're beautiful dogs.

628
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say whoa, whoa and waterfowl. It's like a lab,

629
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: right labs the default. Yeah, and then you got other breeds.

630
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: I had a chassis and what I would have a

631
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: half breed dog. Yeah, it's like me a little bit different. Yep.

632
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: It's style. Yep, yep, it is style. So a slick

633
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: tree is when you're dog trees and by trees, that

634
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: means he indicates that he believes a coon to be

635
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: in this tree. So that means he would go to

636
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: that tree and bark up, and and you'd go to

637
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: the tree and there's no coon in it, like like clearly,

638
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: like you can see the whole tree. There's not a hole,

639
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: not a nest or anything. There's no leaves that you

640
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: can see the whole tree, and you're confident Hu that

641
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: coons like the size of a nickel or the reasons First,

642
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: what are the reasons for a selectory one. A dog

643
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: just simply gives up. They've tackled a track that they

644
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: can't finish. Uh, there's enough scent here that it interests them.

645
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: They know that their owner wants them to tree, so

646
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: they give up in tree right here, and they're not right. Um.

647
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: Other times there's been if you've deer hunted for the

648
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: people of deer hunt, if you watched a coon in

649
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: the daytime, move around there, up this log down, up

650
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: this tree down. They leave a lot of scent all

651
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: over the woods. And if the dog maybe has a

652
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: little trouble trailing because of one just ability or to

653
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: sink conditions, they may wind up on a tree that

654
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: doesn't have a coon in it. Uh. There are dogs

655
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: that will grab a tree because another dog comes in

656
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: and trails too close to them, and out of pure competition,

657
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: just grab a tree. There's several reasons this slick tree

658
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: and see the whole idea of a dog tree and

659
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: two is it's bred into them to want to bark

660
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: at the base of a tree based upon the scent

661
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: of the game that there that they're running like that.

662
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: A tree dog or a tree hound is a specially

663
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: bred dog like what's so interesting is is that doesn't

664
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: work out in nature. That is a human specific thing

665
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: bred into them. Because if a if a wolf trees

666
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: a squirrel and stays under there for eight hours barking

667
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: at that squirrel like he's gonna die, this is a

668
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: This is a human influenced breeding of these dogs. And

669
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: so the end goal to finish for that dog is

670
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: to tree. And so that's why I like he might

671
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: tree if he gives up, like he's like, okay, I

672
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: gotta finish this track. I'm just gonna tree. Or he

673
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: knows that he gets praise from his owner when he trees,

674
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: and so he'll tree. That's probably the number one problem

675
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: is people not quite understanding what they're doing when they're

676
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: training a pup. They you've seen me last night petting

677
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: heck when he treat uh, Well if you do that

678
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: too much for a dog that doesn't completely understand what's

679
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: going on, Well he thinks, well, I'm gonna go out

680
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: here and tree and get pettied. So here I go,

681
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: come pet me. So yeah, you also got variations of that.

682
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: You know, dogs are like people, you got different personalities,

683
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: and they accept praise and and punishment different ways. You

684
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: know when is a clown. I think I can beat

685
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: him with the two before for doing Not that I've

686
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: ever laid a hand on him, but I could do that.

687
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: In the next minute, he's like, Okay, let's that was fun.

688
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: Let's go do something else. And some dogs you can

689
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: look at and get on to them verbally and they're

690
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: done for the evening and they just cowered down. So

691
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with being able

692
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: to recognize the personality of a dog. Now you can

693
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: talk to ye to look at the dog and say

694
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: that was adequate. Your dogs was adequate. How long have

695
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: I hunted with Whalen? Uh going on? It's over two years? Yeah,

696
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: look a little over two years. He's the most accurate

697
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: dog I've ever seen. Um, I don't think I've ever

698
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: seen These are big words. Sorry, hunters don't do this

699
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: to each other. Michael So is beautiful. It is a

700
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: beautiful moment. He doesn't hardly make a slick tree, and

701
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: I mean I can I can count on one hand

702
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: in two years the amount of slick trees I've seen

703
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: you make, and he hardly ever trees a dent. Try

704
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: that we can't get some kind of looking that dentry

705
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: believe no, I find it. Yeah, stop our phone in

706
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: the bottom took a picture of coon's in there, that

707
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: kind of thing. He's the I've hunted for going on

708
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: thirty five years. He's the most accurate dog I've ever seen.

709
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: How would he compare to Clay's dogs. Clay's dogs tree

710
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: one time last night didn't had a coon, so they're

711
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: d yeah, and they were there on the one that

712
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: got pulled out. They're still a hundred percent. Yeah. I

713
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: have seen Wayland slick tree more than I have Claysed dog.

714
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: So given the conditions last night, you were expecting a

715
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: lot of dens and slick trees. Do you slick? Do

716
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: they slick tree more on a slow night? Did they

717
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: have more false flags or so they would slick tree

718
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: more on a night that the sinning conditions weren't great

719
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: and they were not great last so we were expecting

720
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: more of that, but we ended up having a good

721
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: Would I would expect that out of most dogs, I

722
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect that out of the two they got hunted

723
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: last night. At the same time, they still do it sometimes,

724
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: and if they were going to do it, last night

725
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: would have been the night to have done it, Michael,

726
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: how much? How much? Give us an overview of the

727
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: the what a coon dog? Okay, a couple of things,

728
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: but the the high end of what coon dogs go for,

729
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: which which will be exorbitant, and we'll make us all

730
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: go what but then all so bring it down to

731
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: how an entry level thing like how could somebody get

732
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: into coon hunting? Give me like a span of the

733
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: economics of coon hounds because it's kind of mind blowing.

734
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: So I have some parallels between them and mules. This

735
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: is all changed in the last five years. So this

736
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: has changed quite a bit in the last five years.

737
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: Up until five years ago, a high end competition coon dog,

738
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: proven winner or someone that knows what they're doing, if

739
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: seen him and have complete confidence that he's gonna win

740
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: thirty thou dollars um, who has that much money? Raise

741
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: your hand in this room. If you do way more

742
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: people than you believe, all eyes, all heads down, just

743
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: raise your hand. In the last four or five years,

744
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: there's been some people come into the game that in

745
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: the competition end of it, that there's been coon dogs

746
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: sold for over a hundred thousand dollars. Now, where are

747
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: these guys making their money back? They are not. Okay,

748
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: they're not. They're not. Would someone spend money? Let me

749
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: let me so with a lot of luck, they can

750
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: make their money back. When was that hunt? The Jarvis

751
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: Unfree's Memorial hunt was three weekends, so four weekends ago.

752
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: Four thousand dollar entry fee. Wow, sixty four dogs in

753
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: the hunt, and you would think, oh man, there's no

754
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: way that's going to fill up. It filled up so

755
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: fast that they had a second sixty four dollar sixty

756
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: four dog hunt on the same night. So they hunted

757
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty eight dogs, two separate hunts, four

758
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: thousand entry fee per dog. First place paid a hundred

759
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Wow. There and there are there, yes, several

760
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: of them. They're hunting for a truck right now in

761
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: Texas to night's finals. Uh, there's a group of guys

762
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: that have gotten together. They go all over the country

763
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 1: and they give away trucks for first place. Entry feed

764
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: on those hunters are a thousand dollars. I think, can

765
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: you can you bread a dog and get money out

766
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: of it? Yeah? I'm thinking, like, there's no money in

767
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: study dogs. I mean, you're not gonna make a living

768
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: in a stud dog. Let's put it that way, not

769
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 1: that you couldn't make money. Okay, So that's that's the

770
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: ultra high end. And I think it could be compared

771
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: to like race horses. Like you look at a horse,

772
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: like how much the horse cost. It's like, well, you

773
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: could spend a million dollars on a horse or ten million,

774
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: but you could also go down there and probably buy

775
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: a pretty good broke horse for you know, well pre COVID,

776
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: post COVID out the roof, you still buy puppies for

777
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: three d bucks or so you can buy a well

778
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: bred coon hound puppy. Yes, yeah, I gave two hundred

779
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: fifty dollars for oil. Yeah, so this is not they're

780
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: not financial significant financial barriers to entry into coon honey.

781
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: I mean you heard Michael say what a good dog

782
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: Brent's dog has become, and you paid two dollars for

783
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: that dog. Yeah. I raised heck on his mother and

784
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: his father. Yeah. So your dog's names Heck Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

785
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: So I bought his I bought his sire, and I

786
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: bought a half sister to him, who I sold back

787
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: to the owner and got his mother in on the deal.

788
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: So I've always raised my own dogs. I've hardly ever

789
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: bought a puppy, having having until now you're doing You're

790
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: in the competition world. Though you're doing some competitions, some

791
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: nothing like I used to. I can't with my business, um,

792
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: so I can't go out here and it's it's a competition,

793
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: so there's people. Well, it gets heated every once in

794
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: a while, so you're Michael only does Yeah, So you're

795
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: in a sport where most of it is judged with

796
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: what you hear is going on. So it's easy to

797
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: have a miscommunication with someone else about what's going on,

798
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: or just a complete disagreement on what's happening. So I

799
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: hear what's going on, and you hear what's going on,

800
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that we have the same opinion of

801
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: what's going on. So you're basically doing the same thing

802
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: at a competition hunt. And I can't go out there

803
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: and sell all these guys coon hunting lights and um

804
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: stick up for my dog in a competition and make

805
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: people mad. At the same time, I want to just

806
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into the details of competition hunting.

807
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: We may do that later at some point, but basically

808
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: on a competition coon hunt, that could some people might

809
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: hear that and be like, wait a minute, we can't

810
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, that might go against like North American male

811
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: of wildlife conservation in some way, Like but a competition

812
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: couon hunt, no, no, raccoons die. You're not even allowed

813
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: to firearm on the ground. So this is not about

814
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: so in in the movie, in the book where the

815
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: red Fern grows, And this is probably the way competition

816
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: coon hunts started is it literally was who can bring

817
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: back the most dead raccoons And that hasn't taken place

818
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: in a long time. These competition hunts. Raccoons don't die.

819
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: It's it's really an artifact of of the meat hunts

820
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: because you're just seeing which dog can tree the most coons,

821
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: the fastest, and the most kind of clinical textbook away

822
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: for a coon dog to operate essentially like you you

823
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: want a dog that I mean, it seems simple. Like

824
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: if you go coon hunting with really good dogs, like

825
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: like Heck and Whalen last night, you're like, what's the

826
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: big deal? Sure? I mean for real, we literally turned

827
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: the dogs loose in the dark and in ten minutes

828
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: we're looking at the coon and we're looking at you know,

829
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: Heck tree and a coon. Well, what you don't know

830
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: is that these are really good dogs. So the other

831
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: option is you go out in the twenty five degree

832
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: weather with ice and all this. You turn loose your

833
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: dog and he bumbles around for forty minutes and go

834
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: there and runs the deer and makes a big loop

835
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: and trees for ten minutes. You start walking towards him

836
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: and he leaves the tree and chases an armadilla. I

837
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: mean you you you feel in the story of what

838
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: goes wrong on a coon hunt and you hunt for

839
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: five hours and don't see a coon. Last night, we're

840
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: hunted for two hours, two and a half, three hours

841
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: and bad conditions, saw five coons, you know, saw some

842
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 1: pretty good dog work. So that was like, very good.

843
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: Is it safe to assume at a competition they don't

844
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: do it on the honor system? Man, that you don't

845
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: want me to talk about competition coon hunting, So I'm

846
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: not We're not going to get into the system. They're

847
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: called are you serious. You just go out and you're like, yep,

848
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: well listen, okay, I'll talk. See you're doing what I

849
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: told you we couldn't do. Okay, we're not going to

850
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: talk about this Isaac, we're not going to talk about this.

851
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: We can talk about it's a it's a good I

852
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: can just open it up just a little bit, but really,

853
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into the rules of it. Basically,

854
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: they're very prescribed rules. There is a judge and competition

855
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: coon hunting, by my assessment, and I think everybody in

856
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: here would agree that would know is as much about

857
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: the handler as it is the dog. I mean, like

858
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: I could I could have the best dog in the

859
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: world and know very little about the rules and not

860
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: be very good and go out and get beat by

861
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: an average dog with a really good handler. So it's

862
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: a game. Does each handler have a judge? You're still

863
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: asking questions. You're just trying to get out judge hunting

864
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: most of the time. Yeah, that's the one said that

865
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: coon hunters aren't vaccinated against lyon. Oh they're not, all right,

866
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: So what you mentioned about the dog bumbling around and

867
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: leaving trees and and chasing armadilla's, there are guys that

868
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: have an absolute ball out there doing that, and that's fine. Yeah,

869
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: it's just not my thing, you know. Yeah, but they're

870
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: they're a big majority of people that just love to

871
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: be out there at night with a dog and haven't

872
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: really matter what the dogs doing. It is a social sport. Um.

873
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: So you know last night we didn't. I heard this

874
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: mentioned on the render about the duck hunting, that it's

875
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: a social thing that you don't have to be quiet.

876
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't coon hunting either. I mean, these

877
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: guys never shut up last night. At one point I said, now,

878
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: you got to understand, we're trying to hear these dogs

879
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: bark a little bit. Oh, somebody said last night it

880
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: just seems too easy, damn and Joshua trout fishing the

881
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: whole time we were out there. YEA, give it up, boys,

882
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: let's listen to this now. And so yeah, that's a

883
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: great place to like swing the conversation back to why

884
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: I have always of coon hunt and I've done you know,

885
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: I've been in probably less than ten competition coon hunts

886
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: and and enjoyed them in their own right for different reasons.

887
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: Was never very successful at it, and couldn't expect to

888
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: be with only doing it that amount of time. But

889
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: the pleasure hunt a coon dog goes right back to

890
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: what you see in the book where the red fern

891
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: grows and it is there is there's a magical connection

892
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: between a person and a hound that is undescribable. It's

893
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: in our DNA. It literally, I mean you go back

894
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: to our original conversations in the Burgers podcast about dog domestication,

895
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: and I mean like there's deep science, deep human psychology

896
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: and science about our connection with dogs that's just bizarre.

897
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: Like you just kind of wake up as a human

898
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: one day born and you just love dogs. And you're like, well,

899
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: why don't I love chipmunks, Why don't I love ostriches?

900
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: Why don't I have a rhinosters in my house? And

901
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: you're like, don't ever question why you have this incredible

902
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: connect connection to this dog. I'm not crying talking to

903
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: you have this incredible connection to a dog. And it's

904
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: like it's like very deep, very real, very biological, very

905
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And so to be able to hunt

906
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: with a dog, it's just fun. I mean, it's just

907
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: it just doesn't even make it doesn't even make sense,

908
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: And um, I guess I'm feeling I just thought, I

909
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: guess now makes sense. Y'all were there, y'all are amazing

910
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: coon hunters, We had amazing dogs. I thought I was

911
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: just an amazing coon hunter. I thought, I'm just really

912
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: mean this, see me the way I pointed my sunlight.

913
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: But before Josh Spilman you mentioned you mentioned the connection

914
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: with that dog. Um, So competition coon hunting is about

915
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: pride and recognition and me wanting you to recognize how

916
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: good my dog is. That's what it's when it when

917
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: it comes down to everything, is not the money. It

918
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: is for some people, but normally it's not about the money.

919
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: It's about recognition. So I wouldn't carry anything about competition

920
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: coon hunting and say winning the world championship if no

921
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: one knew about it. So it's about getting my dog

922
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: on the front of the magazine, getting on the website.

923
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: That's when it bulls down to it. It's about recognition

924
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: for your coon dog. And you know, and I don't

925
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: want to throw competition coon hunters under the bus too

926
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: much because I think there's a there's a possibility for

927
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: a pure motivation inside of any kind of competition, you know.

928
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean, and there's some guys that are probably doing

929
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: it for you know, some guys would say it's for

930
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: the dog. You know, it's too it's recognition that you know,

931
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: this dog is a top notch dog. And for him

932
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: to be recognized. But but I get it as too,

933
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: as exactly what you're saying. Well, and the problem with

934
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: competition hunting is the same reason that they go. It's

935
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: about pride. So if I have this much pride in

936
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: this dog and you say, oh, your dog left that treat,

937
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: No he didn't. You know, So Rex been asleep on

938
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: the couch over there. Um I met Rex almost thirty

939
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: years ago. Competition coon hunt. That's how I met Rex.

940
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: Rex introduced me to wait Land over there, and uh,

941
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: I mean that that's how it goes. That's how we

942
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: build relationships, is is through people that we know. And

943
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: I would have never known Rex without competition coon hut Yep.

944
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: It's definitely a passionate group of people that uh that

945
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, And that's so people. It's always interesting

946
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: interacting with people kind of on a broader level about

947
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: coon hunting. People are surprised to hear that people even

948
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: coon hunt anymore, like in Arkansas and in different places

949
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: maybe it's a little bit more known that people coon hunt,

950
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: but you get it into more urban areas and sometimes

951
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: people are like, people still coon hunt. And and that's

952
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: why this book where the red Fern Grows in the movie.

953
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: And this whole idea for this podcast is so interesting

954
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: to me that and I said it in the introduction

955
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: to this this podcast, was that this was the one

956
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: time that this super niche thing did a three six,

957
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 1: three sixty slam dunk on pop culture and made him

958
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: love it. And I the reason I got interested in

959
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: this is I had a friend of mine, um that

960
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: moved to Arkansas from Los Angeles, California pretty much, and

961
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: he he he told me that he read Where the

962
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: Red Fern Grows at his high school or maybe his

963
00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: grade school in in California. And I was, I was like, what,

964
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: I thought this book was a regional phenomenon. I thought

965
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: it was just like a small thing, and said, you

966
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: read that in your school in Los Angeles and he

967
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: was like yeah, And he was fascinated, and he had

968
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: all these questions and he wanted to go coon nothing

969
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: with me, and so I took him first month he

970
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: lived in Arkansas, and I mean, this guy had never

971
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: interacted with hunting in any way, and he had all

972
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: kinds of questions about the book. He was like, the

973
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: raccoons really like shiny things. There's a part in the

974
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: book where where Billy catches a coon by putting the

975
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: shiny object in a hole in a log and then

976
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: the coon puts his hand in there, and he's got

977
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: little little traps that that the coon pull his hand out,

978
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we talked about that and we well,

979
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: and then it happened again with another guy from California. Well,

980
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: he was on the podcast Andreas I'll Tie You from

981
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: Meat either. He told me, he just said, man, I

982
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 1: love that book so much, and and that's why made

983
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: me do a little more research and then realized kind

984
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: of what a big deal the movie was in nineteen

985
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: seventy four. I mean, that was like a major that

986
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: would essentially be like, I mean, I don't know what

987
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: what's a famous movie today. I don't even know where

988
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: the Red Fern grows iron Man? Iron Man? Where the

989
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: Red Fern Grows was basically the Iron Man of nineteen

990
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: seventy four is This was produced by Walt Disney. This

991
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 1: was a major motion picture. This was like a big deal,

992
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: went across the country, movie theaters all across the country. Um,

993
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: and I think, honestly, I think there's a pattern inside

994
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: of it. And I alluded to it and said it

995
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: in the podcast. But we are very interested as hunters

996
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: and I am as a hunter, in preservation of a

997
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: lifestyle that is, you know, we believe is beneficial to

998
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: wild places, wildlife and people in families and economy. Like

999
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: there's like, yeah, yeah, you'd have a hard time, like

1000
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: given too much of a painting. Hunting really in a

1001
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: negative picture and when you look at this broad scale thing.

1002
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: But we know that the culture in general in this

1003
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: country is leaning towards movement away from some of these things.

1004
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: And so what Wilson Rawls did was he encased a

1005
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: lifestyle that involved hunting into a very human story that

1006
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: was relatable to people. And people all over the country

1007
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: related to Billy Coleman on a human level and they

1008
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: were like they empathized with him, and inside of that

1009
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: empathy for another human, they accepted his lifestyle. And that's

1010
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: just do you see what I'm saying. Yeah, well he

1011
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: took that, He took a subject that just happened to

1012
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: be wanting some dogs and and applied the lesson of

1013
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: working wanting something so bad that was pure and work

1014
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: can hard. For two years I think in the book,

1015
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: just save up enough money to be able to get

1016
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: something and succeed at a dream. And you could apply

1017
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: that anything learning to ride a bicycle, Daniel, there's still

1018
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: hope that, but anything like that, use that handlebar most

1019
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: day stabilization, you know, it could it could be whether

1020
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: it's since you know, studying in school or learned to

1021
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: play the guitar, draw or whatever. Yeah, he he said

1022
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: hisself a goal. He worked beyond measure too to succeed.

1023
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: And the hardships that he faced along the way. And

1024
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: there's so many the story and we're gonna get into

1025
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: it more on the second podcast with Sean Tutan, the

1026
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 1: professor at the University of Arkansas. The narrative of that

1027
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: movie is really quite complex. It moves in and out

1028
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: of conflict and resolution, conflict resolution from when when the

1029
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: Pritchard boy dies when he falls on his ax oh

1030
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: man spoiler in nineteen seventy four. Yeah, if you hadn't

1031
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: seen this movie yet, you better watch it. Yeah, the

1032
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: Pritchard boy dies. Um, they go to the coon hunt

1033
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: and Grandpa breaks his ankle and then he you know,

1034
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: ends up winning the hunt and then the hunt the

1035
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: money from the hunt is actually what funds his family

1036
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: to leave the country and go to the city, which

1037
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: is the most heartbreaking part of the whole thing for me.

1038
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: For real, It's like doggun it. I thought his criminal

1039
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: record was I heard your heartbreak when you found out

1040
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: about that. Tell you what do you mean when he

1041
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: found out that Wilson Rawls had a criminal record? Yeah,

1042
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: did anybody else? I mean, nobody knew that wasn't so

1043
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: what was the time frame? But it was when he

1044
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: was when he was young man. He first went to

1045
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: person in Oklahoma in nineteen thirty threes. When he went

1046
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: to nineteen yeah, nineteen thirty threes, when he served time

1047
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: great depression, larceny of domestic foul. He said he was

1048
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,959
Speaker 1: stealing a chicken eat. He stole a chicken to eat.

1049
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: And you don't know. The second reason could have easily

1050
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: just been a parole violation. The third reason was breaking

1051
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: and entering. Man. That could have been he got in

1052
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: an old building to go to sleep. I mean, you

1053
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: don't know what right, we don't know. So he in

1054
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: the speech that you put on there, he said his

1055
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: mother said he was born in the wrong place at

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01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: the wrong time. Uh, well, I would imagine that all

1057
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: three of those times he was probably in the wrong

1058
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: place at the wrong time. Yeah, yeah, you know that

1059
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: was so interesting to me. And I found it out

1060
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: like while I was interviewing Sean Tutan. I mean, that

1061
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: was the first I expected him to say, Man, Wilson

1062
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: Rawls was born in Oklahoma and was just upstanding man

1063
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: and he's buried over by talk and he's like, well

1064
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: he served three prison terms. And and then when I

1065
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: went to research it, it was very difficult to find

1066
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: that information, like to actually get like hard information, which

1067
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: made me and I communicated with Professor Tutan and I

1068
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: was like, do you know it is? I mean I

1069
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: see this, but like, do you have more information? And

1070
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: he was like not really, And that's when I was like, okay,

1071
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: well we got to confirm this before and what you

1072
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't know from the podcast, and this is why the

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01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: Burgers render is the rent that this is why this

1074
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: is we're rendering it down. I called the Oklahoma Department

1075
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: of Corrections. They never called me back. So it's a

1076
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: little bit of a dramatic setup. You got the answering machine.

1077
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: I still haven't called me back, um, but I was

1078
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: able to I mean one percent, I believe one confirmed

1079
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: through records that we were able to find online I

1080
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: actually joined ancestry dot com um and looked up his

1081
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: records and like, there's a picture of Wilson Rawls twenty

1082
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: years old on a with a handwritten prison like card,

1083
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: and that's where it told all this stuff, you know,

1084
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: like five ft ten and a quarter hundred forty eight

1085
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: pounds smoker vaccination scar on his left arm. Um, and uh,

1086
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: it just like told it all. And I mean it

1087
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: was like legit, like that was really his record and um.

1088
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: And again not that that mattered. It's just interesting that

1089
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: he wrote this book that was so deep in character,

1090
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: and that an autobiographical book, you kind of get to

1091
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: go back in and write the things that that you know,

1092
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: you just rewrite your story kind of way maybe you

1093
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: thought it should have been or wanted it to be. Yeah,

1094
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: it was just so interesting, I think. And the professor

1095
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: that you interviewed said he was probably trying to teach

1096
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: young boys basically how to not be him at what

1097
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: he was and do the things that he did to

1098
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: get him in prison, you know, whatever it was. It

1099
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: kind of made me think because I remember very clearly

1100
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: reading that book in school, and then of course I

1101
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: remember seeing the movie and when the Pritcher boy dies.

1102
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: You know, that's such a that really it's like, wait

1103
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: a minute, thought I was watching a Disney movie here,

1104
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, and all of a sudden because like, well,

1105
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: I thought we were hunting coons and somebody's dead. This

1106
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: is crazy, and I guess I thought, my goodness, like

1107
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: what if? And there's no way to know. But you know,

1108
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: I feel like each one of us looks back on

1109
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: our past and there's these things that we wish we

1110
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: could undo or take away, like parts of ourselves, so

1111
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: we wish would just die, you know. And I wonder

1112
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: if as he was writing that story, he was kind

1113
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: of coming to grips with a part of who he

1114
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: was that it seems like died and came to an end,

1115
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: because eventually he was he was married, he had a family.

1116
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: He did all this talking to all these kids and

1117
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: wrote overcame as kind of being ashamed of being a

1118
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: writer and wrote these books. Yeah, yeah, I wonder if

1119
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: on that line, the Pritchard's dying like they were. Man,

1120
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 1: he did such a great job of making you hate

1121
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: the Pretchers. I'm glad my last name is not Pretcher.

1122
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: I knew those kids. I knew that several growing up.

1123
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: Do you know that that book? I don't know, So

1124
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: it didn't influence everyone like it influenced me. I wouldn't

1125
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,959
Speaker 1: be setting right here right now without that book. So

1126
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 1: we well the movie. I've seen the movie as a

1127
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: as a kid. Before me and my friend setting, we

1128
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: would spend the summers when we got out of school.

1129
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: The day we got out of school, we went to

1130
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: his grandmother's house and we lived in a tent on

1131
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: the pond of the bank or the bank of the

1132
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: pond for the entire summer, and we hunted and we fished,

1133
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: and that's all we did all summer long. We would

1134
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: go to her house once a week, whether we needed

1135
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: a bath or not, and take a bath. Well, we

1136
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: watched the movie at her house, and we decided we

1137
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: won't need to be coon hunters. That's what had zero

1138
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: idea of how to do it. Uh, looked in the paper,

1139
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: tried to find puppies for sale, didn't have a ride

1140
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: to go get anything. I went to work at the

1141
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: sawmill that was down the road and saved up our

1142
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: money to get dogs for both of us. Before we

1143
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: did that, we're setting out on the front porch and

1144
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: there is a blue tick coonhound walked across the front

1145
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: yard in front of us, no collar on, no nothing,

1146
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: Walt Disney there, I don't know, but they were like

1147
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: released a blue tick. So so we gathered this thing

1148
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,919
Speaker 1: up and we hunted him for a year and never

1149
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: seen a coon. But we hunted almost and I was

1150
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: in So we hauled this thing around on a rope.

1151
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: We had no idea what we were doing. We were

1152
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: afraid to cut him loose. We're afraid we'd lose him home. Yeah,

1153
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: Frady to go home. We had him on a tin

1154
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: foot horse rope and that thing run more armadilla and deer.

1155
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: We were scratched from one end to the other. And

1156
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: I told my friend, because my best friend growing up,

1157
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: still my best friend. I told him, I said, we

1158
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: have to turn this thing loose. I am beat up,

1159
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm scratched on my face, on my arms. We have

1160
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: to turn him loose. And we turned him loose and

1161
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: never seen him again. Okay, now they were like there

1162
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: was like a three month period. Came back. But in

1163
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: that time is when we were carrying. We were a

1164
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: lot tougher. Carried the car battery on our back with

1165
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: the spotlight and UH had a little to cell rayovact

1166
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: flashlights that we walked with and shine the trees with

1167
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: that spotlight. He made two trees. He treated a house

1168
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: cat and he treated a tree that um after watching

1169
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: the movie, we thought, you know, coon's just look, it's

1170
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,439
Speaker 1: easy to put the light up there. They don't look.

1171
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: We looked at that tree for probably two minutes. He

1172
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: was like lion dog. And the way we went, you know,

1173
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: that's a good point, man, when we look at a tree.

1174
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes you look at a tree for a

1175
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: long time, circlet circlet, circlet, circlet, circlet, and then you're like,

1176
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: there it is, yeah, right out in the wide open.

1177
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: But that led into a life of coon hunting. That

1178
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: led into a life where I build hunting lights and

1179
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: that's what I do for a living now. And meeting

1180
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,759
Speaker 1: Rex and meeting Brent and sitting here with you guys

1181
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: would have never happened. Without that Book's what I'd be

1182
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:51,959
Speaker 1: doing making. I'd probably be a Meganaire right now. Pretty amazing. Actually,

1183
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 1: we talked about this a couple of months ago and

1184
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 1: I hadn't I don't know how I made it through

1185
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: school without ever reading this book. And so I I

1186
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,839
Speaker 1: was doing the buzz building the deck, and so I

1187
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: got the audio book and listened to it, and uh

1188
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: it was great, yeah, man, and I loved it. I

1189
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: was disappointed in Disney in the movie. It would have

1190
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: been so easy to have set a tree in a

1191
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: field with a hollow uh fence post instead of whatever

1192
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: that was, they had to ghost Cooney and that that

1193
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: ruined the movie for me. After every yea, so there

1194
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: there was. I may get into it more on the

1195
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: on the next podcast, as I interviewed Stuart Peterson, who

1196
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: was the childhood actor who's Billy Coleman. It's real hard

1197
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: for me not to want to tell you all about him.

1198
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: But that's what the next podcast is gonna be about.

1199
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,839
Speaker 1: Super interesting guy and super interesting kind of sub story.

1200
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: But yeah. So in the book, they the ghost coon

1201
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: climbs up a tree and then drops into a hollow

1202
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 1: fence post, and so the dogs tree on the tree,

1203
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: and then the guys get there and they go, let's

1204
01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: slick you know tree again the ghost coon. Well, in

1205
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: the movie that they tree by an old building. And

1206
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: I mean, and when I saw it, even as a kid,

1207
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: I was like, come on, Pritchard boys, the old ghost

1208
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: coons in that building. I mean, you know, he was obvious,

1209
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: and so he was going from the tree into this

1210
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 1: old building. And then Billy's like, you notice that in

1211
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,759
Speaker 1: the movie. I mean, you know, like Hollywood's got speed

1212
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: stuff up. You can't do stuff in real time. They

1213
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: get to the tree, they shine their light. He ain't

1214
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 1: there ghost two dollars and there, and Billy's like, oh, well,

1215
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: shuts you learned it. Here's your two dollars. And I'm like,

1216
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: shining that tree ye around this thing. I want to

1217
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: send up the bat signal. How many people got into

1218
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: gambling from this book? Because you bet that the podcast

1219
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: he did that to me. He may only be six

1220
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: years old, but I hold that him response, you bet

1221
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: your truck, some guy. I'm worried about it. There's a

1222
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 1: hotline for people like you. Oh man. Yeah. So, so

1223
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: the book has a couple of different places where the

1224
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 1: story is different. I'll tell you where I got hung

1225
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: up on the movie. In the book, and this is

1226
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: pretty serious. In the in the movie, excuse me. In

1227
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: the book, the big Pritchard boy sees old An and

1228
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: old Blue fighting and and Pritchard goes, I'm gonna kill

1229
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 1: that red bone and he grabs Billy's axe and takes

1230
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: off running to go kill Billy's dog, and he falls

1231
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: on the acts, which is Nope, he reached out and

1232
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: grabbed his leg. I watched the movie. You fell right

1233
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:50,759
Speaker 1: into my track. In the book, he didn't do that.

1234
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's my point. So in the

1235
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: book he runs and he trips and falls on the acts,

1236
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: which I always thought it was an unlikely accident. I mean,

1237
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: I probably set up by like a Southern mother influence.

1238
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: Southern mothers are always very fairful, highly unlikely mom. The

1239
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: acts you couldn't hardly cut up the and it's sticking

1240
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 1: straight up when I fall down. In the book, Billy

1241
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the death. In the movie,

1242
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: Billy Coleman reaches out and trips him and he falls

1243
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 1: on the acts. Terry manslaughter. Boys. I'm not a lawyer,

1244
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: but when I saw that, I was like, oh, dang,

1245
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the movie. Well, and then okay, and

1246
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: then they go to the The movie really is well

1247
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: done for nine, but they go they go to the

1248
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,919
Speaker 1: I mean the next scene coming out of the woods,

1249
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: after the pitcher boy dies and you know he's dead.

1250
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: And in the movie Billy tripped the boy and he

1251
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 1: falls on the acts. The next scene, the whole Coleman

1252
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: family is by a gray side in the rain, just

1253
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: pouring rain. I mean, like you just feel sorry for

1254
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: and they're just standing there in the pouring rain, and

1255
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 1: you see the Pritchard family who they were set up

1256
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: as this like kind of like bad family. And Tuton,

1257
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: Professor Tuton did a good job. He said, what's cool

1258
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:21,799
Speaker 1: about literary mechanisms is you don't really know what's happening

1259
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: inside of you until someone tells you, and you're like exactly,

1260
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: but you feel terrible for the Pritchards, these like bad people,

1261
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, quote bad people that had these little boys

1262
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: that he just hated. But then when they died and

1263
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: he saw his mother and his father and they're standing

1264
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 1: there in the rain by this grave side, you just

1265
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: have empathy for them. And then the Coleman family is

1266
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 1: setting back from the grave like they're not right up,

1267
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: they're not like crowding the family, but they came to

1268
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: pay their respects. And when they're walking back to the

1269
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: wagon and the pouring rain, Grandpa says to Billy, Billy,

1270
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: this wasn't your fault, this was just an accident, and

1271
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: I was like, Billy, it actually was your fault. And

1272
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: that's where that's where walking back with my son and

1273
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: been like, son is going to be tough with you

1274
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: while you're there, I come visit. So the biggest disappointment

1275
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: for me from the book to the movie was the

1276
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: cutting down of that tree for the first con. Yeah,

1277
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: so the movie it was he spent one night, they're

1278
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: cutting that tree down, and the book he spent it

1279
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 1: was days. His promise to those dogs to get that coon.

1280
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: That was the whole thing of the book was his

1281
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: promise to those dogs. And uh, he spent all that

1282
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 1: time cutting that tree down. In the you know, they

1283
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: have to make it happen, So they spent one night

1284
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: in the movie. But well, and that's part of it

1285
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: that I never understood with Wilson raw As is. Um

1286
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 1: it seemed like a poor family like that would have

1287
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: had a gun number one and number two, you cut

1288
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: down a tree with a coon in it? Is that

1289
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: coon not gonna hit the ground and run up another tree, clay?

1290
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: Could you just not ruin everything? Well, this is the thing.

1291
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: Though they were poor and bullets cost money, they cost

1292
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: nothing for that boy to swing that ax right, But

1293
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: what I mean do you think people really did that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

1294
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: But I mean, is the coon not just gonna run

1295
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: up another tree, No, not if you have a good

1296
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: killed all to catch him on the ground. Yeah. So

1297
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah easy. So my uncle's grandmother uncle's side, they

1298
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: grew up as sharecroppers here in East Arkansas, and you know,

1299
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: their dad would give them three or four shales to

1300
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: go squirrel hunting, and they better come back three or

1301
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: four squirrels. You know, they didn't waste shals. They didn't.

1302
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: You know, if you could get him out jump the mount.

1303
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: People used to climb trees all the time. That was

1304
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: the thing to do, was to climb the tree and

1305
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: kick the coon out. They just didn't hardly carry. Yeah, okay.

1306
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: So it's so the preservation of ammunition or not having

1307
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 1: a gun pretty pretty realistic. I mean, I knew it

1308
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: could happen, but I was just like, man, it seems

1309
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: like even a poor family would have a singamore tree

1310
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: the size of the one they was. We're just gonna

1311
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: call it good and go find them. But he made

1312
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: a promise. That was the point of the world, was

1313
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: the promise that he made that the dogs and you

1314
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: saying that Michael May helps me make more sense of

1315
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: why at the end when the dogs die spoiler, he's done.

1316
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: Or listen to the podcast. Wait a minute, this is

1317
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 1: the podcast. Didn't you feeling lightheaded some fixer? No, I

1318
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: mean that helps me makes sense of why at the

1319
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: end and when the dogs pass away, he's done. Like

1320
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: it was more than he It was more than I

1321
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: love coon hunting dogs. Those dogs well, and so people,

1322
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: that is a you know, people, why do you want

1323
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: to hunt coons? I don't want to hunt coons. Coons

1324
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: is what my dogs hunt. I love my dogs. That's

1325
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: what it's about. Mm hmm. Coons has just happened to

1326
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: be the game if it was squirrels or possums or whatever.

1327
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: That it's about. Dog work is seeing a dog work.

1328
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: What I think is interesting too. And I tried to

1329
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: say this in the podcast and what you'll hear it

1330
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: more through this. But we live in such a modern

1331
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: time with all the technology that absolutely surrounds us and

1332
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: dominates our lives. And I like cultural artifacts. So cultural

1333
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: artifact would be like why that a competition? Why we

1334
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: like to tree a coon? It's kind unusual. It's like

1335
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: what why, Well, and you go back and there was

1336
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: a time when that coon hide was extremely valuable monetary

1337
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: value also sustenance value for different families just eating coons

1338
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 1: back in the day, and that built such a strong

1339
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: thing inside of rural culture in the South and mid

1340
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: South different you know, wherever they coon hunted, that a

1341
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: coon dog was highly valued. It was highly valued. And

1342
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: so today you go might ask some kid over here

1343
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 1: that is connected to rural culture, be like, it's a

1344
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: coon dog, good or bad? Like you know, and they

1345
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: would be like, good, very good. Why I don't know,

1346
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: it's a coon dog. It's a it's that's good. I mean,

1347
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm breaking it down like to the simplest terms. That

1348
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 1: is a cultural artifact of a time when a coon

1349
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 1: dog could literally change your life. And then it's also

1350
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: interesting to see like the modern version and of that

1351
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: and like when when I look at my life and

1352
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: survey my life and all the incredible times that I've

1353
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: had hunting raccoons with hounds, the people that I've met,

1354
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: the things that I've done that have that has made

1355
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: me go when I see a coon dog, I'm like,

1356
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: that has value, because what else are you gonna do

1357
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: on a Friday night. I mean really for the last

1358
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: seven years. And I was out of coon hunting for

1359
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: a good part of my adult life. So just in

1360
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: the last like seven eight years, I got back into

1361
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:39,520
Speaker 1: coon hunting. And literally, I'm like calculating, of the hundreds

1362
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 1: of times that I've taken my kids and other people

1363
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: coon hunting, what would we have been doing? I mean, like,

1364
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: what would you have been doing on a cold, icy

1365
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: Friday night in February. And I mean the truth is

1366
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: probably a family would have been sitting around watching the

1367
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: television or and it's like, no, we were out engaging

1368
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: in an adventure. You're engaging in, you know, riding trucks,

1369
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: doing stuff, working together. Like, man, I love yelling at

1370
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: kids to go get dogs. If there's a kid around

1371
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: me and I've got dogs, I'm like, get that dog

1372
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: and put him in the box and then go get

1373
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: those dog called. I mean, I just I don't even know.

1374
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't even care who the kid is. He may

1375
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: be the neighbor, he may not even be going with us,

1376
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 1: and I just have this instinct to be like, get

1377
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: that kid's hands on that dog's collar. And what age

1378
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: did you read the book? Were you in elementary school? No,

1379
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't think. I'm not even sure. I

1380
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: read the book when I was a kid. I think

1381
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 1: we started off watching the movie. That's what we did.

1382
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 1: We read it, and I remember we were I have

1383
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: very few memories of school, but I do remember reading

1384
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: it in school and then watching the movie in class. Yeah,

1385
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: I think it was the sixth grade when I read it.

1386
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: I think most elementary schools do it like fifth grade,

1387
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 1: but I think it was the sixth grade. But I

1388
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: remember how it affected me at the time. It was

1389
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: it was culturally significant to me because of Conan being

1390
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 1: big where I grew up, you know, and I knew

1391
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: people and had coon dogs, and me wanting one so bad.

1392
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: I could identify with Billy in there. I think you

1393
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: and I talked about it. The other thing, Well, it

1394
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 1: was identified so much with it because I turned eleven

1395
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 1: when we were when I read the story. No, it

1396
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite years. I turned eleven and

1397
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 1: read the book, saw the movie. I think it came

1398
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: out on TV about that time, and then I had

1399
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 1: to have a coon dog. I talked to my daddy,

1400
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: said you gotta earn it. So it's like I told you,

1401
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: I didn't go through the depression. We weren't having to

1402
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: hunt to feed our families. We hunted because we enjoyed it.

1403
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: We eat a lot of the game that we that

1404
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: we hunted. But I identified so much with it that

1405
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 1: he said, you earned the dog, You earned the money,

1406
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: you can buy the dog. So I worked there. We

1407
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: worked on. I grew up on a farm, so I'm

1408
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: making um a wage there for a different task I

1409
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: would do, and he provided the majority of the money.

1410
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: But I can remember going to school right had to

1411
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: be finished that book, and I put a jar on

1412
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: my desk and I wrote on Salt Disney here for this, No,

1413
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: but I watched this. I put a note in there

1414
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 1: that said, contribute to the Brent wants a Coon Dog fund. Well,

1415
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: I got one donation. One girl in my class and

1416
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 1: her name was Amy. She dropped a quarter in there,

1417
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 1: and I told her, I said Amy. When I grew

1418
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,680
Speaker 1: up and getting married and I have a daughter, I'm

1419
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 1: gonna name her Amy. My daughter is named Amy, Yes, sir,

1420
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: And it was from that are you at all in

1421
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: touch with Amy? Five or six years ago? Think it's

1422
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: really creepy you name After actually introduced her, I said,

1423
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 1: this is Amy. Was with. I thought you were going

1424
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: to say, Amy introduced your daughter to her. This is

1425
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 1: a girl. Remember a coon drop tree on Amy's head?

1426
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: Do you remember the sixth grade? And I told you

1427
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: that a quarter And she looked at me and smiled

1428
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 1: and said, I absolutely do not. She couldn't recall it.

1429
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: I said, I was gonna kill the interest of the story.

1430
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: But this is Amy right here. I thought you were

1431
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: gonna say. I thought you were gonna be like Amy,

1432
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: because you've donated to my fun the first raccoon hide

1433
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 1: that I get, I'm going to donate it to you.

1434
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was gonna be something. I

1435
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna say. Five years ago. I bumped

1436
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: into her and she said, my name's Mamie. Hey, here's okay,

1437
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: here's the biggest question. I mean, did you get a dog?

1438
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 1: I did? I did seventy five dollars. We bought it

1439
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 1: from man Rantom feed store there and Warren where up

1440
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: and we hunted him, started training him. Was he a

1441
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: good dog? He? I think he had he had potential

1442
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: to be something, but he wounded up getting stolen. But

1443
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: the biggest adventure I had with him was no, he

1444
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: was a walker, a couple of kids ended up with

1445
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: the dog for a couple of months, and my dad says,

1446
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna take him over. We'll take him over to

1447
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: a spot I know he's got a bigger symmetry. And

1448
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,759
Speaker 1: we took it overs on a farm a friend of ours.

1449
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: And we drive up. We drive up, we're pulling up

1450
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 1: and the headlights are shout on that cemetery and man,

1451
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: it looks I mean it's like Christmas lights. There's coon's

1452
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: all and it's five or six coons in there. Oh man,

1453
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: oh yeah. So we get at and we get the

1454
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: pup out. We turn him loose, and he's just bumping around.

1455
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: He don't know what he's doing. He's running around the

1456
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: tree and around us and back and forth. And I

1457
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: told my dad, I'm a climbing friend. Shake some of

1458
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 1: them coons that shake a coon. Now, Well, I climbed

1459
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: up in the tree. I gotta grabbed the limb up

1460
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 1: up the tree, I go, and I started shaking him out. Man,

1461
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 1: he just raining coons for like three minutes, bam bam,

1462
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 1: bam back and as soon as they hit the ground,

1463
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: he's barking right back up the tree. They come. They're

1464
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: calling I thought that big old so I thought I'm dead,

1465
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: you know, and hunt I came my dad say this,

1466
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: hang on, son, just hang on. And but that was

1467
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: that was the most adventure we had with him. But

1468
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: he hunted good and uh, but he got out of

1469
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: being somebody picked him up and never saw him again.

1470
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 1: So several several dogs through the years, blue Tick included,

1471
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: and but by far, this one that I have now

1472
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: is it's been the best. I bought my first one

1473
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: for seventy five working at that sawmill. We was like

1474
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:52,560
Speaker 1: the going price for we. We we got ours for

1475
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: after Jeff Cunningham negotiated. That's actually probably pretty accurate because

1476
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: I got my dogs in ninety four. Y'all probably got

1477
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 1: your dogs in the seventies early at DOUN like like

1478
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: not good coon dog puppies had gone up by about

1479
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 1: because that man wanted a hundred dollars for a pub.

1480
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 1: We negotiated for two for one fifty. They've been depreciating.

1481
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: Talk to me, what do you mean, Well, Billy Coleman

1482
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: paid fifty bucks for two pounds, you know, nifteen thirty

1483
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: would be hundred dollars today, Well you can, you can.

1484
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I feel like they're going downhill. Well

1485
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: there's there. It's it's just the tragedy of the commons um.

1486
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 1: Coon dogs have not stayed up with inflation. I wish

1487
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: coon I wish mules and coon dogs would would like

1488
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: like paste with like carrots, fir or like a bag

1489
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:03,839
Speaker 1: of yeah milk, Yeah, but it does. They don't because

1490
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 1: you put a gallon of milk in front of me,

1491
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: especially his chocolate. If you could have a slick train

1492
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: walker or a gallon of chocolate milk or a gallon

1493
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:18,640
Speaker 1: of chocolate offer. I don't know if they heard it.

1494
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 1: I said it really loud a couple of times. I

1495
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: offered Michael five dollars for his dog last night. He

1496
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: didn't take it. And then I offered Brent five dollars

1497
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 1: for his dog and they didn't take it. I mean,

1498
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's that's a lot of money where

1499
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 1: I came from. I believe Brent's response was for what

1500
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: part of my dog by a partnership just that they

1501
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: don't have. Are you interested in selling a partnership in

1502
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 1: your dog? You can have the part that eats this

1503
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: is okay, remember Clay's last partnership with dogs. I'm sorry, man,

1504
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 1: I need to call him. This is like, it's like

1505
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 1: figuring out you served three prison terms. Maybe one day

1506
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 1: you will wow and they'll be like, can you believe

1507
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 1: you never talked about it? He just kind of on

1508
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: your Wikipedia page. Well and they but then, but what

1509
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: I said was maybe he did talk about it and

1510
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 1: we just didn't know. I mean, I don't claim to

1511
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: be a Wilson Rawls, you know, like expert. So maybe

1512
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 1: he did. He just didn't in those channels I gave

1513
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 1: him that. That's not something you jump up and tell

1514
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: everybody every conversation that you have in an elementary school.

1515
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: It's also the kind of thing that if if you

1516
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 1: are a public figure that everybody loves and you wrote

1517
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: this great story that's really compelling, that people don't want

1518
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: to dwell on. They want to kind of forget well,

1519
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: and it probably just wasn't relevant. You don't think so

1520
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: those kids saying it happens so long ago that he

1521
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 1: came into the elementary schools and stole those kids chickens, Well,

1522
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: I think about it. If he went to prison for

1523
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 1: if he went to prison for stealing a chicken, he

1524
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 1: wasn't the only one. It might have been something that

1525
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: was fairly common. You know, my grandpa spent a little

1526
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: time in prison. I just have a feeling that if

1527
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: you serve three prison terms for that kind of stuff,

1528
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 1: there's some shady stuff going on in other places. Well,

1529
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: but remember him talking about even in the clips that

1530
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: I used, which I used like four minutes of an

1531
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: hour long speech, that would have been like his polished

1532
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 1: version of his life. And he said, in all those

1533
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 1: years I spent rambling around from city to city, and

1534
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you're stealing stuff, chicken. I mean,

1535
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm not making it up. I mean, I'm I'm just

1536
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:38,639
Speaker 1: the messenger. But I hope it came through and and

1537
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:42,520
Speaker 1: I believe it did. I mean, I respect him because

1538
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: of the the path that he eventually led his life

1539
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 1: do so. I mean, to me, it's like a thing

1540
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 1: to be celebrated. And I think probably during that time

1541
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't. I think today, because of the nature of

1542
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 1: technology and the communication, you couldn't hide something like that.

1543
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,080
Speaker 1: He came to the chicken and he stole it, and

1544
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: he made the right there. Well, and the point being

1545
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: about like this tip day and ages, you couldn't hide

1546
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 1: something like that, so you'd have to confront it, and

1547
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:11,719
Speaker 1: you'd say, Man, I used to live a rough life

1548
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 1: and then, but I celebrated today. So it's celebrated today

1549
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 1: that you overcame that back then that people didn't want

1550
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: to know about it. Let's not talk about you being

1551
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 1: a thief. That's okay. We just won't bring that up

1552
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: because of their sorted past. Bump bump bum. You know,

1553
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: and Brent have a sorted past. That's all we can't

1554
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 1: talk about. I thought this was a safe place, guys.

1555
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: Do we just kind of gloss over the part where

1556
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:43,879
Speaker 1: he mentions that he was working for the nuclear Yeah Commission,

1557
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 1: He was a construction worker for the nuclear Commission. Yeah,

1558
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 1: you talk to me. I'm just assuming that there'd be

1559
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: a background check on a project like really nuclear fel

1560
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 1: I feel like they were doing some background checking as

1561
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 1: soon as they started messing with nuclear stuff for a

1562
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 1: guy out there. They don't or we wouldn't be here, okay,

1563
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 1: mm hmm. Man Woodrow Wilson didn't he have the coolest

1564
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: voice in the world, though, I recognized that off of

1565
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 1: the movie, like they didn't like. I think in the

1566
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: credits of the movie it says that he narrated it.

1567
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that he didn't do it, and you

1568
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 1: immediately pick up like that's Wilson rawls and um, yeah,

1569
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: but I mean he lived through a difficult time that

1570
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 1: we didn't. We'd have lived through. And you will not

1571
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: die of hunger when there are chickens running around that

1572
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: you could take. So I was surprised. I would like

1573
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 1: a little more detail on that, Like how do you

1574
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 1: go to prison for stealing chickens? Someone had connections, he

1575
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 1: stole a chicken from someone that knew someone probably Yeah, well,

1576
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's chickens plural. It could be twould like

1577
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: today to go to prison for stealing chickens, like in

1578
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 1: a one time incident, you'd have to like steal like

1579
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: a chicken truck and like you think it was a

1580
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 1: sting operation. They had an animatronic chicken. I've seen what

1581
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: those game wardens do with deer. Yeah, I have like

1582
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 1: a chicken out in the yard bouncing up and down. Yeah,

1583
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: I got you, sucker, and you pull in grab it

1584
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: and then the sirens come on. I hate to bring

1585
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 1: us up. This is a big segue, but we had

1586
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 1: a massive chicken crisis at our house this weekend. New

1587
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:42,720
Speaker 1: from Farm Oh it was major and involved my dogs. Uh.

1588
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 1: We had this big snow and ice and you know,

1589
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 1: really extreme temperatures and we have Misty has chickens. She

1590
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 1: loves her chickens like way more than a human should

1591
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 1: love a chicken, and um, it's it's hard for us

1592
01:32:56,040 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 1: because of how much she loves those chickens and us die.

1593
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 1: If you had a romantic setting on your sun spot headland,

1594
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 1: I would shine it away from the chicken, not like

1595
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:11,679
Speaker 1: the though well yeah no she didn't. She was afraid

1596
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,759
Speaker 1: of him. But no. So so we had real extreme

1597
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 1: temperatures and usually we end up shutting the coop a

1598
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 1: little bit after dark because if you shut it, you

1599
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:23,679
Speaker 1: can't shut it try because the chickens don't go in there.

1600
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 1: You gotta shut it, like right it dark, or like

1601
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 1: maybe right before you go to bed. You're like, hey,

1602
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: go out there and shut the chicken coop, And so

1603
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 1: like at ten o'clock at night, she was like, hey,

1604
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: do you mind shutting the chicken coop? And I was

1605
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 1: like okay, And so I walk out there and we

1606
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 1: I think we had like fifteen chickens and they were

1607
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 1: like five in there, and they were like feathers just

1608
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 1: a trail of feathers, and I just go, dot, got it.

1609
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 1: I'll walk back in and I go, hey, something something

1610
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 1: got your chickens, and she just was like, oh no.

1611
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 1: And uh so I take Tim over there, Tim the

1612
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: squirrel dog, and he is so tuned into you know

1613
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 1: what I want from him. I don't know what it is.

1614
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 1: I think maybe it's a coon or a fox, That's

1615
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:12,760
Speaker 1: what I think it is. And I get over there

1616
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: and I see him put his nose on the ground

1617
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: and start smelling, and I start sicking him on it,

1618
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 1: you know, just like get him, get him, get him,

1619
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 1: get it, getting him excited, And sure enough he takes

1620
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 1: off trailing and goes out kind of buy our garden

1621
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 1: around and he gets on a track and it's barking

1622
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 1: on the track and I think, dad gum, he's gonna

1623
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 1: trail whatever that is up. So I go get Fern,

1624
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 1: and which is my plothound, which is supposedly a a

1625
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: dog that won't run off game, which is not true. Uh.

1626
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 1: And I take Fern over there and I turned her

1627
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 1: out right at that chicken coop and she doesn't strike,

1628
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 1: she doesn't bark, and I pretty much know it's not

1629
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: a coon at this point, because if it's a coon,

1630
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,640
Speaker 1: she would just struck out of there. And she just

1631
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 1: kind of ambles around. But I acor on it, like

1632
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, get get get get get it.

1633
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 1: And she hears tim and sure enough she starts trailing

1634
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 1: and barking, and off they go. And I had my

1635
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 1: phone with me and I text everybody, and you know,

1636
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 1: I kind of just want to miss you to feel good.

1637
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, we're on the track, babe, you know,

1638
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:20,719
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, we're after him, him and Fern. We'll

1639
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: find those twelves. And they they run across the road

1640
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 1: and up on a ridge and make a loop and

1641
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 1: circle back around and come over right by my neighbor's house.

1642
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,599
Speaker 1: And I text my neighbor. I have good neighbors. Text

1643
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: my neighbor and I say, hey, I just turned loose

1644
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 1: my dogs on something that kills our chickens and they're

1645
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 1: over by your house. He text me back and he says,

1646
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 1: I'll get my A R. Fifteen out. I'll be on

1647
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 1: the porch. I love the guy literally said that, and

1648
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:54,679
Speaker 1: uh and and so the dogs run past his house

1649
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: and they're trailing, and finally the track just kind of

1650
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: peters out and they're going to play. So I can't

1651
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 1: get to and thereby road, and so I call him back.

1652
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:10,719
Speaker 1: Well the next night. My neighbor also has some traill

1653
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,639
Speaker 1: cameras set up like that, send pictures to his phone.

1654
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:17,719
Speaker 1: And uh, it was a black panther, A black panther,

1655
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: good one. That was a good one. That's why you're here.

1656
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 1: And and he had a picture of a kyo. Yeah

1657
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,679
Speaker 1: it was. I'm pretty sure the chickens are dead. There's

1658
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 1: a tin of chickens in his mouth. Or fox wouldn't

1659
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:36,679
Speaker 1: killed tin chickens. That would have come back ten nights

1660
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:39,639
Speaker 1: and killed one a night, yeah, yea. Or a mink

1661
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:41,640
Speaker 1: would get in there and kill them all and leave him.

1662
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 1: And but so the moral are the stories your dogs trashy? Yes? Absolutely,

1663
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 1: And that's where Stan died. That's why where the red

1664
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 1: friend grows. A real coon dog wouldn't have struck a

1665
01:36:56,160 --> 01:37:00,679
Speaker 1: mountain lion because he was trashy. I'm all about having

1666
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 1: a multipurpose dog at different times. I would love it

1667
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 1: if my dog well. And and and they have got

1668
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 1: after bobcats a couple of times that I've known about,

1669
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 1: which is legal to run in our stay. I'd love

1670
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 1: it if they had trashy multipurpose. What does he run

1671
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: whatever he wants? I mean, it's it's obvious what it happens.

1672
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: He swaps on the very first coon tracks he crosses,

1673
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 1: but he will run something off. I mean, did you

1674
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 1: mark that down? Do you realize it's been recorded? Michael

1675
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 1: I freely admitted it before the first time he said it.

1676
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:33,720
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm white, like I didn't hear that.

1677
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: Next time, I'm gonna be be ready for and recorded.

1678
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 1: But it's not he said it. Oh man, So chickens,

1679
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 1: Wilson rawls, coon dogs, trashy coon dogs. We've really covered

1680
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:50,679
Speaker 1: it here. This is this has been really insightful. Um,

1681
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:54,839
Speaker 1: speaking of black panthers meat either now we have our

1682
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 1: our believer black panther hat out. Yeah, I'm gonna get one.

1683
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:01,839
Speaker 1: I like that. Hey, and I'm not trying to hype

1684
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 1: the market, but I'll just tell you if you're gonna

1685
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 1: get when, you better get one because they already sold

1686
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:13,799
Speaker 1: out of Burgery's hats real. Yeah. Yeah. So we ordered

1687
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 1: a big number of them the first time, and we

1688
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 1: sold out in like a week and they were like, Okay, Well,

1689
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 1: let's order twice as many. They ordered twice as many

1690
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 1: of that number, Like we were really, we're not doing

1691
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: this on purpose, Like I'm I'm like, how many do

1692
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 1: you think your mom to choose? Bottom? The other day?

1693
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 1: And she was wearing one front words and back. So

1694
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,839
Speaker 1: she's she's bought a lot of them, but it's not support.

1695
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:49,440
Speaker 1: She's scalping them look up. Yeah. Yeah. And so anyway,

1696
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: they sold out of the double amount, you know, a

1697
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago when I started posting about those,

1698
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 1: those happened like two weeks. So doesn't have someone that

1699
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 1: projects sales. It's it was just a gamble. We didn't

1700
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 1: know how much they were gonna sell. But this time

1701
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:07,679
Speaker 1: they're reordered and they won't be back in for like

1702
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 1: another I think like two months. And then and they

1703
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 1: bought some of this time that I mean, I don't

1704
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:16,799
Speaker 1: have to give them away. They're gonna flood the market.

1705
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: Price is gonna drop nopet in two days. You better

1706
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 1: buy him quick. Embarrassed to admit it. But the first

1707
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: time they ordered ten, this time they ordered twenty. Hey,

1708
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:30,160
Speaker 1: you's be surprised at the text messages I get. I

1709
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 1: got a message from a guy the other day. That

1710
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 1: is a friend of mine, and um, he held up

1711
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 1: his phone on an airplane and took a picture and

1712
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:40,760
Speaker 1: there was a guy like a couple of seats up

1713
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 1: wearing a Burger's hat backwards. And I said, did you

1714
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 1: talk to the guy? And he was like no, I

1715
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 1: couldn't you know. By the time he got out, it

1716
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 1: was kind of over and um, trying to think of

1717
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 1: a people all the time are sending me pictures of bargers,

1718
01:39:56,280 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: people you know, but no, So now it's it's great.

1719
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 1: I really appreciated by buying the hats and wearing them

1720
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 1: and supporting what we're doing. But you better get those

1721
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: believer hats quick. That's all I gotta say. Can anybody

1722
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 1: else here? Rick snoring but me? So we have a

1723
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 1: coon hunter over here. I hadn't mean dead asleep. Oh man, Hey,

1724
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 1: this has been fantastic, Thanks guys. Closing thoughts, Dan, anybody, Michael,

1725
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:31,680
Speaker 1: Josh looking forward to tonight? Tonight? Yeah, we're going if

1726
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 1: it's raining or not. I don't want to hear it.

1727
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm such a good hunter. We're gonna see

1728
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:39,680
Speaker 1: so many coons. Yeah, we set you up for real disappointment.

1729
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 1: You've got to deliver tonight. Deliver the mail, all right, guys,

1730
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:49,360
Speaker 1: next time. See like