1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: I think it's our job as parents to tell our 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: kids the truth. 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 2: And that isn't guy I even to do with sports. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: My middle son might want to be in a band, 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: and he might not be good enough to be in 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: the band he wants to be in. You got to 7 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: get better at that skill if you want to be 8 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: in that band. Otherwise you probably need to go play 9 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: in this band, you know, and just tell them struth 10 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: and give him a plan, and you know, such his life. 11 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: This is the Reform Sports Project, a podcast about restoring 12 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 3: healthy balance and perspective in all areas of sports through 13 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 3: education and advocacy. Hi, this is Nick Bonacord from the 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 3: Reform Sports Podcast. Today, I'm speaking with Jeff Petty, President, CEO, 15 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 3: and head baseball coach of Cain's Baseball, one of the 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 3: top travel and showcase organizations in the country. A longtime 17 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 3: baseball coach, Jeff also serves as a scouting consultant for 18 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 3: the New York Mets and as the general manager for 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: Pro five Baseball Virginia and academy designed to help players 20 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: grow and develop both athletically and academically. 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 4: Jeff and I discussed why the best. 22 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: Baseball players are typically multi sport athletes, the importance of 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 3: preventing burnout and over use injuries, and why honesty is 24 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: crucial when giving feedback. Man, let's go in the freaking fight. 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: Excited to bring you this next guest. I mean, the 26 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: dude is at a baseball practice right now. I got 27 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 3: to get him when I can, so he's gracious enough 28 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: to give us his time this morning. The founder of 29 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 3: the Canes Baseball Organization. I'm sure many of you know it, 30 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 3: Jeff Petty. Jeff, thanks so much for hopping on my man. 31 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, happy to be here, Thanks for having me. Nick. 32 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: Definitely been seeing all your stuff, and you guys are 33 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: doing a great job. 34 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: Well. 35 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 3: I appreciate you, man, and I know that we've been 36 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: trying to make this happen. 37 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 4: For a while. 38 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: You're all over the place on the fields and coaching 39 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: all the time, so, I mean, I can hear the 40 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 3: VP and fungos getting hit in the background. 41 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 4: I love it. 42 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 3: It makes me want to go ground my glove, but 43 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: I probably i'd probably hurt myself if I tried to. 44 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: I feel you, man. 45 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: No, Yeah, we're finishing up here with literally the last 46 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: group and we're about to go into a coach pitch inner. 47 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: Squad here this morning. 48 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm at Franksport, Virginia with our pro Fiber in your 49 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: group and yeah, let's I saw your text. 50 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, let's knock it out real quick. 51 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 4: I love it, dude. 52 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: Well, I want to get into the pro five thing 53 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: because that's kind of a new phenomenon and we'll kind 54 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: of touch on that a little bit later. But Jeff 55 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: as the founder of the Canes, I mean, you guys 56 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: are one of the top rated, you know, travel baseball 57 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 3: organizations in the country. You're one of the pioneers in 58 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: the space, certainly if you've been around for I think 59 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: almost closet thing their twenty years. I gotta I gotta 60 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: ask you, man, because I'm on social media. I know 61 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: a lot of people in the baseball circuit as you do. 62 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: You have a lot of supporters, but man, oh man, 63 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 3: I feel like the whole industry gets a bad rap 64 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 3: the Canes at times. 65 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 4: You have a lot of haters. What do you think 66 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 4: it all comes from? 67 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: As far as like people that are discouraged or or whatever. 68 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: What do you what do you think all the hate 69 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 3: comes from? 70 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: Man? 71 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: That's such a good question. And uh, I don't know 72 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: where the hate. 73 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: Actually comes from. 74 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of haters in general in life. 75 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 2: I think that goes on everywhere. 76 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: I mean, heck, it's probably going on on a local 77 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: elementary school, Diwmastry, local high school down the street, and workspaces. 78 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: All over the country. It's a combination of. 79 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: I think if you look at and I realize that 80 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: at any moment, we can fall off our high horse, 81 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: so to speak. And I'm not saying we're on a 82 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: high horse, but we've had a lot of success, done 83 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: a lot of winning, and had a lot of really. 84 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: Good players come through. And it seems to be that. 85 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: That trend is going to continue, at least in the 86 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: near future. I mean, that can change in any moment, 87 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: and I realize that. But you know, a lot of 88 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: people don't like Alabama football, a lot of people don't 89 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: like the Yankees, a lot of people don't like New 90 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: England Patriots when they were doing what they were doing. 91 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: I think that's some of it. 92 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: And then I think there's also you know, there's some. 93 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: Bad travel baseball out there. 94 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: I believe in what we do and I don't pay 95 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: it a lot of attention, to be quite honest, I can't. 96 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean, i'd have to be blind and death not. 97 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: To see or hear the hate. 98 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: But it honestly doesn't affect me at all. And I've 99 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: seen some people in our industry really get caught up 100 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: in it, and really it bothers them deeply, and it 101 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: just doesn't me. I don't know if it's a combination 102 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: of I believe in what we do, and I'd speak 103 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: on it, you know, all day, and I'd argue with anyone, 104 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: and anyone could say anything, and I could probably come 105 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: back with something that I believe in. And if we're 106 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: in the wrong in a certain instant, I mean, I 107 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: would acknowledge that and willing to grow and admit when 108 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: we're wrong. But maybe it's just a combination of just 109 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: being focused on doing a good job and doing what 110 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: I believe in, and you know, being a father and 111 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: a husband and just trying to just do too many 112 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: impactful things for it to really bother me, if that 113 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: makes sense. 114 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to dodge a question whatsoever. But 115 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: I just I see it all and hear. 116 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: It all, like I said, But you know, I don't 117 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: know exactly where it all comes from. 118 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, do you feel like, because 119 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 3: I know I'm looking at it from my vantage point 120 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 3: and I have, you know, from my variance with my 121 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 3: kids and just talking to so many people, and I think, 122 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: if I back up and we're to ask the question again, 123 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: what is it about? I guess because you're dealing with 124 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 3: people's kids, right, and I know you're specifically working with 125 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 3: high school and kids that are getting ready to go 126 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: to college and professional baseball. But why do you think 127 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: the travel industry because there's a black guye around recruiting 128 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: when at all costs and all those things, do you 129 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: think that there's an age in which winning becomes more 130 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: of the focal point versus the younger Because I mean, 131 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: for God's sakes, I see advertisements Jeff, where let's let's 132 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: have a travel team with a six year old t 133 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 3: ball team and we're going to travel across the country, 134 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: and I think that is what spawns a lot of 135 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: these people going like, what in the hell is going on? 136 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 3: Then you see seventh and eighth graders committing so it's 137 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: like this whole basket. And because you're at the top 138 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: of the food chain, per Se is like one of 139 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: the best programs in the country. I feel like you 140 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: bear the brunt of something that really is an industry thing, 141 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: And can you talk about the industry and maybe why 142 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: there's a black guy? 143 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, it's a multi millions millions industry now right, 144 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's perfect game and PVR and USA Baseball 145 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: and YadA prospects select me, YadA, YadA, YadA, and then 146 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: teams the team business and everything. So it's all changed, 147 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, but first of all, a six 148 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: year old team traveling all over the country is ludicrous 149 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: in my opinion. That's my stance on that particular thing. 150 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you want to find ten 151 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: twelve six year old parents that are crazy enough to 152 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: do that, I mean, that's the second. 153 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: Eve wrap my brain around that. I don't even know 154 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 2: who you'd go play. You know, that's crazy. And then 155 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: the other thing with the early recruiting, you. 156 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: Know, that's a lot of the NC Doublea's fault. But 157 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: I also hear there's some changes where you can't offer 158 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: a kid until July one, going into his junior year, 159 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: which will fix a lot of this stuff. But then 160 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: we'll have a lot of our own Like that was, 161 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: they'll stop eighth to ninth and tenth graders committing, but 162 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: then you know you're still gonna have problems with that, right, 163 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 1: I mean, no one's ever always going to be happy. 164 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: I mean there's gonna be kids not committing, but committing, 165 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they're going to the 166 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: camps and that's where this job of this high school 167 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: showcase baseball teams and stuff is going to be even 168 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: more difficult than it's been before. But yeah, the early 169 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: recruiting is is crazy. There's no commitment on the college 170 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: side or the player's side that we're seeing because the 171 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: college will commit to a kid in the eighth ninth grade, 172 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: but then if that kid takes a couple of steps backwards, 173 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, they'll cut them loose in a minute. And 174 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: players are decommitting left and right, and it's it's a mess, 175 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: but I don't know if. 176 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: You fix it. 177 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, like like, because 178 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys have a big enough brand where 179 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: you know, you have you've been around since the beginning, 180 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: so you don't really have to prom I mean, your 181 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: your body of wark kind of speaks for itself. But 182 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 3: then you have, you know, maybe newer teams or or 183 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: coaches or whatever that are trying to get a name 184 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 3: in there, and they're selling the idea of hey, come 185 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: play for me, come play with the organization. We got 186 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: to start early. We got to do this year round 187 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: at nine, ten, eleven years old. That's the only way 188 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: because so and so is committing and aquinn. If we don't, 189 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: you know, we're going to miss the boat. So it's 190 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: very easy to sell that fear. You know, I guess 191 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: when you see that as a leader in this space, 192 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: what do you think of those kind of fear mongols 193 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: that are out there because they're out. 194 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: There, Yeah, it's a bad sell. 195 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: I don't talk to people that are more in the 196 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: know and that have a proven track record, and that 197 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: could be college coaches, pro scouts, some of the people 198 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: that are in our space that have done it for longer. 199 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of kids playing multiple sports. 200 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: I think it teaches them to compete in different ways. 201 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: Also athletically, it's good to move in different sports and 202 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: just be athletic. 203 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: And also the other reality of the situation is is 204 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: what is a small percentage of kids that will actually 205 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: turn this thing into a job and play professionally. That 206 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: number is so small, So then you miss out on 207 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: a potential like to. 208 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: Play on Friday nights to play football and. 209 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: Play basketball, learn how to play basketball or wrestle or 210 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: play golf, or might going just go on and on 211 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: and play soccer. 212 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: Or whatever the case may be. 213 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: And a lot of times you're better baseball players are 214 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: the ones that do play multiple sports ironically, you know. 215 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: And then the other side of it is is the 216 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: kid wants to dedicate his life to baseball and that's 217 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: all he's going to do. That's fine, but there's a 218 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: way to handle that properly so you don't get burnt out. 219 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: And also, you know, taking care of your body, especially 220 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,359 Speaker 1: when you get a little older. 221 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: Becomes a huge piece of that. 222 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: And it doesn't really matter if you're playing football, basketball, whatever. 223 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 2: Sport may be. 224 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: Once you start getting a little older, taking care of 225 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: your body and get in the weight room and things 226 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: like that, remaining flexible and being able to move, and 227 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: that becomes more important than any of the other stuff. 228 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: And it's I don't know, it's it's a while that 229 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: there's people out there trying to flip that, and I 230 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: guess probably sell that just for their own advantage, you know. 231 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 3: So the one other big piece you mentioned taking care 232 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: of your body, and it's something that it's been talked 233 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: about for years, the arm care situation, right over use. 234 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: You know, we hear about it all the time, and 235 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: you know what's funny, I feel like this is nothing new. 236 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: I mean, for God's sakes, I'm forty three years old 237 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: and I think you're a few years younger than I am. 238 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 3: But God, I remember kids that were absolute monsters at ten, eleven, twelve, 239 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: thirteen years old and they pitched all the time, and 240 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: then by the time they were in high school they 241 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: were done. So this is not a new phenomenon with overuse. 242 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I know I saw it back then. You 243 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: just hear it about a lot more now. I feel 244 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: I feel like maybe Tommy John's are up more. But 245 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: what's a way in which you can prevent that. Are 246 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: there things that you do with the canes to make 247 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: sure that these kids their arms are protected starting at 248 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: young ages? 249 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know at the high school level, we always 250 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: know going into the summer how many innings they logged 251 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: with their high school. I don't know how you manage 252 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: a kid otherwise, Like, how can you if you're getting 253 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: a kid June one, or June fifteenth, and you have 254 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: thirty five games in the summer and one of the 255 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: arms is throwing seventy five innings in high school, I 256 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: don't know how you manage. 257 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: That kid the same as a kid. 258 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: That you're inheriting that has thirty innings. So that's part 259 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: of the process, is knowing what they did in the spring, 260 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, and if through seventy five innings, then you 261 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: really need to limit their innings. 262 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: I don't believe a high school kid. 263 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: Should throw over one hundred innings from February one to 264 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: let's say the end of the fall. 265 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: I don't believe. 266 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: But I don't know how you track that unless you know, 267 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: so you got to do your due diligence there. And 268 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: then at the Little league level, you know, I don't 269 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: keep up with a lot of that, And be completely honest, 270 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: I've got some kids coming up. 271 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 2: They're very young. 272 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: I don't know either of them will play baseball, but 273 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: one of them does, maybe I'll get to. 274 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 2: See that more. 275 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: But I mean, I think I hear stories about kids 276 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: just overthrow and just sow somebody can win a trophy 277 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: that means absolutely nothing, and that's that's sad. Then we 278 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: know that takes place, and that's that's sad, you know, 279 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: just to get a trophy that means absolutely nothing, you 280 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: know when really you just it needs to be pitch 281 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: counts and plans in place, and people need to be 282 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: on plans, you know, when they're days off and days after. 283 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: There needs to be a regiment and a plan in 284 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: place and not just running kids out for their own benefit. 285 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: So I coach, you know, rec baseball. It's all I've 286 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 3: ever really ever done. And my kids play all different 287 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: different sports kind of like you mentioned, but you know, 288 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 3: I've seen it where you're playing even coach pitcher, machine 289 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: pitcher or or you know, first year kid pitch and 290 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: people will keep their best place like I have my 291 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: you know, my best athletes at the shortstop position or 292 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: he's a pitcher or he's a catcher or whatever. You're 293 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: playing those up the middle positions to keep them there, 294 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: and I'm going, you know, I don't do that because 295 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 3: I want these kids to play everywhere, because you want 296 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: them to get better at each position. 297 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 4: And it's kind of but like if you were to. 298 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: Be coaching young kids let's say six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, 299 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: I don't wan't put words in your mouth. But I 300 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: would think it's advantageous to them to experience playing different positions. 301 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: And would you say that in and of itself you 302 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 3: may sacrifice wins and losses at those young ages, but 303 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: for crying out about is that you mentioned those cheap, 304 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 3: stupid trophies like take the coaches ego out of the way. 305 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: It's not about winning, you know, a machine pitch pony 306 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 3: League trophy. It's about helping these kids get better through 307 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: the experience. And I would believe the more positions they play, 308 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: probably the better off. 309 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 4: They're going to be. 310 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: No, I agree with that for sure. 311 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: If anything, you have to mix them in and practice 312 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: and teach them how to play outfield and field and 313 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: figure out how many guys on your team can catch, 314 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: because that's a really difficult position to play, and how 315 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 1: many guys on your you know, kid might say well, 316 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: I don't catch and I can't catch. The more you 317 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: don't know because you never tried it, no one's ever 318 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: worked with you on it. I think that's your duty 319 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: as a young coach is to at least make sure 320 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 1: you're getting them the reps in practice at all the positions, 321 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: and then try to give them a taste in the 322 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: games at all the positions for sure at that age. 323 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: That's that's my thoughts. 324 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: The theory that everyone plays shortstop and stuff like that. 325 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: We all know how that goes as you get older. 326 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: So see the advantage to learn all the positions for sure. 327 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: When you see a kid, you know that may be 328 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: coming into the King's organization and he's been you know, 329 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: best player on the other teams he was on, or 330 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: whatever the case is, and you see that kid struggle. 331 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: I interviewed, I know, you know, Scott Forbes says, do 332 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 3: why And when he was talking at he said about 333 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 3: when these kids come to Carolina, they have to really 334 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: do a good job of pulling them through failure, you know, 335 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: helping them through because it's almost like almost every freshman. 336 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 4: And I mean you were a freshman. 337 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: I was a freshman in college at one point, and 338 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 3: it is an adjustment and it's an adjustment going from 339 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: the little field to the big field right when you 340 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: finally get it. I know, for me, it was overwhelming. 341 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 3: What are way in which you, as a coach help 342 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: these kids deal with that struggle. Maybe they're undersized, but 343 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 3: they have skills. I mean, I was a catcher. When 344 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: the field grew, I didn't I couldn't reach second base. 345 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 3: That was frustrating. 346 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 4: And how do you support those kids to work through that? 347 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's fundamentally be there with them through that walk, 348 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: in that process. And this is a very difficult sport. 349 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot of failure involved, and they need to 350 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: understand that it's not a layup. It's hard. It's hard, 351 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: and that's a huge piece to it. And then if 352 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: you're really going to quote unquote be a coach, you 353 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: need to physically be there for them to help them. 354 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: Get through that. 355 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: And that means extra practice, early work, showing up early 356 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: to the. 357 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: Field, things like that. 358 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: That's what's going to ultimately instill confidence is doing it, 359 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, And that's one of the main things that 360 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: you can do is to be a support mechanism for sure. 361 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: So when you say physically being there, you know, to me, 362 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: that word jumped out of me and made me think 363 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: of the relationship, like is that something you really because 364 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: I feel like the best coaches I ever had, you know, 365 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 3: we're getting to know me more as a person, which 366 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 3: would help me want to work harder or be It 367 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: made me feel like they cared more. 368 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: Is that something that you do with intent? 369 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: Are you intentionally trying to build that rapport to get 370 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: the most out of the kids you coach? 371 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: Well me personally eight thousand percent yes. 372 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean I've always been that way and always will be. 373 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: I try to reach them on a personal level, you know, and. 374 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: Most of the time with success and some kids, you're 375 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: just not going to reach. 376 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: But I do think that there's direct correlation with effort 377 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: and will to just go out and give it everything 378 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: you got when you're playing for somebody that you believe 379 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: cares about you as a person. 380 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: I mean, that is something that I've always believed in. 381 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 3: So when you're seeing kids who are struggling and maybe 382 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: they come to play with you, they're a freshman in 383 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: high school or whatever, and they're like, man, I want 384 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: to go to I want to go play in the 385 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 3: ACC or the Pac twelve or the whatever the heck 386 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 3: it is, you know, the sec go play at the 387 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 3: highest level. And you realize that that level might not 388 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 3: be for them, and that's just the reality of it. 389 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 3: Like I didn't grow up going I want to go 390 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 3: to North Carolina Wesley and I wanted to go to 391 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 3: Miami that's what I was seeing in the College World Series. 392 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 4: Well, I realized pretty quickly I couldn't play there. 393 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 3: How do you mentor those kids to helping them find 394 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 3: the right fit because I mean, let's face it, a 395 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: lot of those kids that you're coaching have aspirations to 396 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 3: go to the next level. 397 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 4: Whatever that next level is. 398 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 3: What are the ways in which because parents are always confused, 399 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: even kids like how do I know where I fit in? 400 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: You had to be brutally honest, and you know when 401 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: we lose players left and right because of the honesty 402 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: we do. That's just the fact of the matter. And 403 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: we're okay with that. And you hate it when you 404 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: tell a kid that wants to go play at UVA 405 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: that you know you're you're probably a Division three player, 406 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: and not that there's a thing wrong with that, by 407 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: the way, there there's great baseball at that level. But 408 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: once you drop that to them, and you and you, 409 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: but you pair that with well, this is why and 410 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: if this, this and this changes, then that could change. 411 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: And here's a plan as to how we can maybe 412 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: get a little faster. You know, there's not a lot 413 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: of seven to two runners running around and now feel 414 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: UVA but we could change it by doing this, and 415 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: are you willing to put this work in it? 416 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: Just that's an example. 417 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: But we lose players all the time because we have 418 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: a pyramid system within our organization at the high school level, 419 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: where it's like, if you're on this team, you know 420 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: this is these are Division one players. If you're on 421 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: this team, these are mid major Division one players, high 422 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: end Division two players. If you're on this team, you're 423 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: a high academic kid. This Division three players. And it's 424 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: paired that way. And when we offer them the team 425 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: and we tell them that that's the players that are 426 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: on that team, and then they're like, well, I can 427 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: go play on this national team down the street, and 428 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: then they but the other group is selling them a 429 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: bag of goods. 430 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: It's not true. So to answer your question is the 431 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 2: first word out of my mouth is just honesty, you know. 432 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: And that's and that's what we have to do, and that's. 433 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: What we'll continue to do, and we'll continue to lose 434 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: players as a result. 435 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 3: When we return, Jeff and I discussed the questions parents 436 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 3: should ask coaches in order to make informed decisions about their. 437 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 4: Child's athletic development. 438 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: Welcome back where we left off, Jeff and I were 439 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 3: about to talk about the value of clear communication between coaches. 440 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 4: Parents and athletes. 441 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 3: That's probably the number one reason why if I had 442 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 3: to guess, you know, a lot of people get jaded with, 443 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: you know, the the business of club sports, youth sports 444 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 3: in that regard pay to play, because you know, what 445 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 3: doesn't matter the sport. There are people out there that 446 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: are selling the dream, selling the idea. But at the 447 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 3: end of the day, every single college coach, every single 448 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 3: person I've spoken with, says that giving that positive feedback, 449 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 3: giving that constructive criticism. Who do you feel like struggles 450 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 3: with the most when they hear the honesty? Is the 451 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 3: parent or is it the kid? 452 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: Oh? What a great question. 453 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,239 Speaker 1: I'd say it's just as much the parent as it 454 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: is the kid. But a lot of kids can't handle 455 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: the truth because of the way they were raised or 456 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: what their parents are saying to them when they get 457 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: the truth. So it's it's a mixed bag, but it's 458 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: definitely I think it's our job as parents to tell 459 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: our kids the truth. 460 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: And I plan on doing that. And that isn't got 461 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: anything to do with sports. Nick. 462 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: It could be my middle son might want to be 463 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: in a band and he might not be good enough 464 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: drummer to be in the band he wants to be in. 465 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, Like, yeah. 466 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: You got to get better at that skill if you 467 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: want to be in that band. Otherwise you probably need 468 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: to go play in this band, you know, and just 469 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: tell tell them the truth and give them a plan, 470 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: and you. 471 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: Know, such his life. 472 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: And then there's you know, there's silver spoon kids that 473 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: come from money and parents you used to buy in whatever, 474 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: and you get to a certain level, you can't buy it, 475 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: you know, And that's a problem out there. 476 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: Because you know, a lot of these dads bunches of money. 477 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: They're not going to be told what to do. I've 478 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: never been told what to do in my life. 479 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: And I'm going to start another. 480 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: Team and put my. 481 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: Son on that and make you know, you know that deal. 482 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: So's it's a mixed bag. 483 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: I know you probably shouldn't give specific examples, but are 484 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: there times where you've had people, like you know, a 485 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: parent flex on you like I'm so and so and 486 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: you either do what I say, like almost try to 487 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 3: intimidate you because of their stature and throw money around. 488 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 3: Like because I often hear people say, oh, you know 489 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 3: so and So's mom or dad has money, so there 490 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 3: can plays win and whatever they want, Like, is that 491 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 3: a real thing or what not? 492 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: With me personally, one thing I am very good at 493 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: is reading people, and I don't there's no world where 494 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: I could care one iota what their parents' stature is 495 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: or I don't want to be bought dinner drink. 496 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: I don't want to hang out with parents. 497 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't have any interests whatsoever. 498 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: I'd be cordial and friendly and help anyone, but their 499 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: kids are gonna earn earn it on the field, and 500 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: you get to a certain level, I guess that you 501 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: can do that, and I'm going just be completely honest 502 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: with them again that work. 503 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: Comes up again. 504 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: Honestly, that conversation starts going in that direction. You just 505 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: gotta ser the car that way and just say, hey, 506 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, everything's gonna get earned here and that's the 507 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: way it's going to be. 508 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: I think it's that way at the higher levels. 509 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 1: You know, there's no donors. I mean, let's be honest. 510 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: I mean Tim Corbin or Scott Forbes, whoever. They're going 511 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: to play the best players. 512 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: You know, they're gonna play the. 513 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: Best players, and the players make the lineup out. Coaches 514 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: don't make the lineup out. The players do. 515 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 3: And I've been told that by probably every single coach 516 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 3: I've spoke with. 517 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 4: It's like, dude, I. 518 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 3: Don't care if your scholarship or not. Like, if you 519 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 3: earn it, it's yours. If you don't, it's not. And 520 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 3: that is what it is. And I don't think people 521 00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 3: know scholarships are one year deal. 522 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 4: That's it. They renew at the end of the year 523 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 4: or they don't renew. 524 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 2: Right absolutely as it should be. 525 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 3: And how do you so kind of flip the script here, 526 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: But you're at Pro five Academy, which for those that 527 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 3: don't know, you know, I think everyone's probably heard of 528 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: IMG Academy. 529 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 4: You know, but walking through because I feel like this 530 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 4: is a. 531 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 3: New I don't want to say phenomenon, or maybe not new, 532 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 3: but it's starting to become more and more mainstream and 533 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 3: that you're seeing these academies. When I was fourteen years old, 534 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 3: Jeff I went to Cuba on an All Star team 535 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 3: to play against you know, Cuban All Star teams. 536 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 4: We got destroyed every time, we got destroyed, but. 537 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,239 Speaker 3: We went and visited some of these some of these 538 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 3: kids where they worked out and stuff, and their schools 539 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 3: were sports schools. I mean they were sports academies, you 540 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 3: know in Cuba, and you know, we got destroyed. But nonetheless, 541 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: I feel like you're seeing that. 542 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 4: What is that about. I feel like, Uh, it's. 543 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: A great opportunity for kids, But what is the whole 544 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 3: thing now with schools centered around athletics in particular baseball? 545 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. 546 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: They're all different. 547 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: COVID showed that kids can get their schooling done online, 548 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: so that kind of ramped it up in the country 549 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: for sure. But I mean it's practiced at nine in 550 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: the morning, done at noon break for lunch, come and 551 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: lift weights and have academic time in the afternoons. Some 552 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: kids are further ahead with their schooling than others, and 553 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: you need to have somebody manage that. But I the 554 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: thought is it more year round training? And I think 555 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: it depends on the kid. 556 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: And the athlete and the situation that they're in. 557 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: I was just having this conversation yesterday with Tyler Wood, 558 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: who's a postgrad kid. 559 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: He's from Da La Sau High School up in northern California. 560 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: He came here because he didn't love the offers he 561 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: was getting at Day La Salle but to go play 562 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: in college, so he wanted to buy another year so 563 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: he didn't lose any eligibility to come here. And he's 564 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: gained three or four mile an hour, put on ten pounds, 565 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: and I think the offers that are going to start 566 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: coming in now are going to be better than if 567 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: he would have gone to a juco at near He 568 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: just didn't want to do that route, so he wanted 569 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: to buy a year. So I think it's great for 570 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: him in no world where he should have left his 571 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: high school to come here at the time, because De 572 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: La Salle is a national level high school program, but 573 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: some kids aren't. 574 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 2: At Da La Sal. They're in a high school baseball. 575 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: Program where it's understaffed and no one in the school 576 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: cares about the sport and the competition's bad. 577 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 2: But blow and. 578 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: Behold, little Johnny is Division one baseball prospect or the 579 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: heck with that, Like maybe he's a Division two player, 580 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: division three player, but he loves the game and wants 581 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: to get better and wants to be around guys that 582 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: take it serious and not be on a high school 583 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: team where no one out there gives a crap, including 584 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: the coach, and then there are. 585 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 2: Some cases where that's the case. 586 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: Now, I mean there's a lot of good high school 587 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: baseball out there still. There really is a lot of 588 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: good programs, but there's some bad And I think that that's. 589 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 2: What's driving it. 590 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: It's like I can go over here and train and 591 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: be with a strength coach and be told what food 592 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: to put. 593 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 2: In my mouth, and have a plan in season out. 594 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: Of season with my strength and conditioning, and. 595 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: Be around a bunch of. 596 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: Guys that want to get better and iron sharpens iron, 597 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: and we're all pushing each other. 598 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 2: And so it's a good fit for some kids. I really, 599 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: I've seen it with my own eyes. 600 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: But again, I would never tell a kid that's at 601 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: a good high school program to leave it, you know, 602 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: because if you're being taken care of and you can 603 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: stay at home with mom and dad and so so 604 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: be it. 605 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 4: Are you seeing it grow? 606 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: Because I feel like the post grad year was, but 607 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 3: you're seeing it really like kids are coming in as 608 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 3: freshman sophomores, Like you see it continuing to grow. 609 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 4: You don't see it going back. 610 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, uh huh. It's going to be a thing 611 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 2: in our country. 612 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine where it'll be in five to 613 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: ten years now. 614 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 2: With that being said, there's some people doing it and 615 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: not doing it so well. 616 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: When you see sixty seventy kids out there and two coaches, 617 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: that message just says, I'm just trying to. 618 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: Pock as much money as I can. I mean, I'm 619 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 2: watching us right now. 620 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: Take Io before this little scrimmage we're going to do. 621 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 4: And for those that don't know, Io is in field. 622 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: Outfield, Yeah, and we have twenty five players and we 623 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: have eight coaches out of here right now. 624 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 2: So I would just do. 625 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: My homework before I decide to sign on and join 626 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: one of these things, if it's direction. But the answer 627 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: your question, Nick, yes, these things are going to be 628 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: all over the country, and this is going to be 629 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: a new wave of how it's done, in my opinion, 630 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: at the amateur level, whether we like it or not. 631 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: So it's nothing I can do to stop it, or 632 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: you or anyone else. 633 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that this is the direction that 634 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: a lot of it's going to go. 635 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 4: You know, It's funny. 636 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 3: I had this conversation not too long ago with another guess, 637 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 3: and I hear people say it all the time, especially 638 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 3: on social media, and not to put in a democratic 639 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 3: but it's always people my age or older that are like, oh, 640 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: I want to go back. They use the word sandlot, 641 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 3: I want to go back to sand lot, and I'm like, dude, sandlot, 642 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 3: like that time has gone. Are there ways in which 643 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 3: things can get better and improve? 644 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 4: Sure? 645 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 3: But is the landscape going back thirty five five years? 646 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 3: That's just not the way the world works. So I 647 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 3: guess how can parents as this new wave of academies 648 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 3: and you know, as people are trying to catch up 649 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: to you know, the world that pay to play sports 650 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 3: has become, So how can these parents and you're a 651 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 3: parent of young kids, like, how do you get these 652 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 3: people ready for this culture? 653 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: Oh? 654 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: Be honest? Here you go. 655 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: There's that word again, honesty. Yeah, just be honest about 656 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: what it is. And if you don't know what's going on, 657 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: then ask somebody that does. 658 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: You know. 659 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: I got a couple of friends of mine that their 660 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: boys play baseball or that eleven. 661 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 2: Twelve, thirteen year old range and they. 662 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: Get invited all this stuff and they know what I 663 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: do for a living. And I got a Texas Morning 664 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: from one of my buddies who lives down the street. 665 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: I think his son's twelve. 666 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: And he's like, I got invited to go play in 667 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: Florida at this Hugri plus a tournament in Vero Beach, 668 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: and should I do this? 669 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: And then costs this? 670 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: And so just call me and I'll run through running 671 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: through with you. I'm like, if you want to go 672 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: down there and you want to play and go to 673 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: Florida with your family and get some at bass, the 674 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: first thing I would ask the coach is he gonna play? 675 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: Because you don't know the coach at all, you know, 676 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: so what what is his role gonna be? I'm gonna 677 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: send you a check. What's he gonna play? What position 678 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: is he gonna play? How many at bass is he 679 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: gonna get? How many position players are you bringing down there? 680 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: And you want to go down there and just get 681 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: some at batch, no harm, no foul. I mean, it's 682 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: not gonna make her break your situation. I don't know 683 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: that I would do it. 684 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: It is cold up here, so I guess you can 685 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: go down there and get some at bass and some 686 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: warm weather, so there's an advantage there. But if you 687 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: go down there and don't clear with the coach, like 688 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: be on the same page. You get down there and 689 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: he gets two at bass. I mean, what a waste 690 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: of money you So you got to make sure you 691 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: know what you're getting into. But I mean, I'm giving 692 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: you a long winded answer, but you need to know 693 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: what's going on. 694 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I'll just tell you right now. Like my 695 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 2: daughter does cheer four days a week. She competes on 696 00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: the weekends. 697 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: And you know, I have seen her get a lot 698 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: better at the skills through through hard work, and. 699 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: She the best one out there. 700 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: She's not, but she's nine years old and I've seen 701 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: in two years a lot of growth and gotten better 702 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: at these skills that I don't know a lot about. 703 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: It teaches hard work. 704 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a lot of bad out there. But 705 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: I think you make a big mistake by spending a bunch. 706 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 2: Of money on something that you don't know what you're getting. 707 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 4: You know, that makes sense, It makes a ton of sense. 708 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: In fact, there's one point I'm glad you just broughtup 709 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 3: because I saw you tweet this up. 710 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 4: It might have been a month or so ago. And 711 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 4: I love how you know you you seem to be 712 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 4: your your Twitter feed. 713 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 3: Man. I love it because I feel like you really 714 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: give valuable insight, you know, considering the position you're in. 715 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 3: And you talked about and I'm not going to I 716 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 3: don't have it in front of me, so I can't 717 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 3: say it verbatim, But you talked about how the parents 718 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: are the customers, and I know, and I'm one of 719 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 3: these people like parents need to not ask about playing 720 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 3: time and things like that at certain ages. You know, 721 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: you get to high school and you go to a 722 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 3: high school coach like let your kid advocate for themselves. 723 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 3: But you, if I'm not mistaken, said your parents when 724 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 3: it comes to travel ball and parents, they're your customers. 725 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 4: You know, they're paying, they have a right. 726 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 3: It's almost like when I read what you wrote, it 727 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 3: almost was like, Wow, you were looking at it from 728 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 3: that vantage pot, which I thought made complete sense. Like 729 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 3: how do you tote that line of you know, being 730 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 3: coached but understanding that communication Like you were just talking 731 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 3: about communication with the parents. You can't just shut it down. 732 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 3: I mean, not only are your paying customers, but like 733 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 3: they do have a right to know. So how do 734 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 3: you hold that line of you know, coach versus you know, 735 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 3: customer type thing? 736 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: From the day I got in this thing, I've always 737 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: communicated with parents. I just got done saying I don't 738 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: want to go to dinner with them. 739 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 4: But I've always well there's a difference there. 740 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: I get that, no, no, but no, But I've always 741 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: communicated with what it's going to be because you eliminate 742 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: bad phone calls later. It's called managing expectations. And if 743 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: you manage expectations, then you'll be fine. 744 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 2: If you know what you're getting. 745 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: Kind of walk up to a car lot and buy 746 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: a car, but you don't know exactly what it is. 747 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: I mean, if you go, if you if you went 748 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: and bought a great truck today and then you went 749 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 2: out to your driveway tomorrow and it was red, you'd 750 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: be like, what the hell just happened? Yeah, So it's 751 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: it's the same thing. 752 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they do deserve, they're paying, they're paying money, 753 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: and and it also what it does is is your 754 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: phone rings less in the summer, you get less complaints. 755 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: I mean, if I tell you what I'm gonna do 756 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: and then I turn around and do exactly what I. 757 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 2: Told you I was gonna do, then you're not gonna 758 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: call me. 759 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: If your son comes in place for me, I tell 760 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: you exactly what it's going to be, and I do 761 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: exactly what I said. You're not complaining about anything, So 762 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: that's managing expectations is huge in this industry, and a 763 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: lot of the problems that you see are because no 764 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: one does that. 765 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 3: I love that critical point. I cannot thank you enough 766 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 3: for coming on dude. I know you're literally in the 767 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 3: middle of a practice, but I don't know. I'm having 768 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 3: the same lower back paying you. I don't know what 769 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 3: the hell happened or your back's banged up. So I 770 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 3: caught you in a day where you're not out there 771 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 3: hitting fungos. But Jeff, where can people follow you? I 772 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 3: know you're on Twitter. Let us know where you're at 773 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 3: where people can follow and connect with you Twitter, Dan. 774 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: It's W Jeff Petty at W Jeff Petty. 775 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, happy to talk to anyone or as any questions. 776 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: Definitely don't have all the answers, definitely don't, but here 777 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: to help and care about all the kids coming through, 778 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: and you know, appreciate everything you're doing. 779 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 4: Nick, Well, dude, I appreciate you. 780 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 3: I appreciate you coming on here and being frank and 781 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 3: shooting from the hip and not backing down from many 782 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 3: questions and really being an open book. 783 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: Man. 784 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 4: I appreciate you very much. 785 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, anytime. 786 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 3: That's Jeff Petty, President and CEO of Canes Baseball. Thanks 787 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 3: for listening to the Reform Sports Project podcast. I'm Nick 788 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 3: Bonacor and our goal is to restore a healthy balance 789 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 3: and perspective in all areas of sports through education and advocacy. 790 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 3: For updates, please follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, 791 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 3: or check out our website by searching for the Reform 792 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 3: Sports Project mm HM