1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the program that gets you 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: inside the building NRG Stadium. Yeah, we're here doing shows 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: from now until the end of time on your Houston 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: Texans players on a break, rookies here, players still working out. 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Of course, training camp gets underway in late July. We 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: can't wait. Mark Vandermer and John Harris with you. We're 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: gonna do numerous things today, including going over Johnny's article 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: about five things to watch during training camp. We'll also 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: pick two divisions that the Texans are playing against, the 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: NFC East and the AFC West, and we'll go around 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: the league as well. I know there's other news breaking today, 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: but what do you want us to say about that. 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: We're all waiting for the same thing here. It does 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: affect the Texans because draft choices are coming back based 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: on the finish of the team they traded with in 16 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: the blockbuster deal this offseason. That would be the Cleveland Browns. 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: But that's all I can say about that right now. 18 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: How are you doing, Johnny, Yeah, that's essentially it. That's 19 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: it acually the rest of its legal situation. We just 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: wait to see how many how many games we'll Deshaun 21 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: wants to be suspended, and how does it impact the 22 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: Browns in twenty twenty two and twenty three. Right, for 23 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: the drafts of twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: that's all that matters, okay, really all that matters. So 25 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: that so when the Browns come in here, that could 26 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: be a double whammy for us. That could be a 27 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 1: double win for us because we win, we beat them, 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: knocked them down. Well, I mean I shouldn't say knock 29 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: them down, move them up the draft order, just might 30 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: beat them. So it's a double wammy for us. Yes, 31 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: we can do that. Very cool. All right, We're gonna 32 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: go around the league later. But is there anything less 33 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: believable in the world than Rob Gronkowski's latest retirement? Oh boy? 34 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there are some things. I am 35 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: not gonna say anything about politicians. I'm not gonna say that. 36 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: I saw somebody's tweet. I think it was Tom Pellisaros 37 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: tweeted it. It said retirement scoreboard, Rob Gronkowski two, Tom 38 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: Brady one. Yeah, I mean, that's it. It's like a 39 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: boxer now, when it got so comical with the boxers 40 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: after a while, Like, really, you're retiring and I get 41 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: it with the boxers, oh absolutely, and I get it 42 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: with the football players too. It's in a sense because 43 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: as they get older, the amount of training you need 44 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: to do just to get back to the starting line 45 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: in September. So it's not going to shock anybody if 46 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: Gronk comes back, including his agent, who pointed out that, yeah, 47 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: it could happen. Brady could call him. He can see 48 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: it plausible. Sure, Why not? Did you? And have you 49 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: watched Man in the Arena? I haven't watched that, and 50 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm really upset at myself as I say that right now, 51 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: because I keep forgetting to It's one of those things 52 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: where it's like when you used to go to the 53 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: video store and yet all these movies you wanted to see, 54 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: but you forgot what they were when you went to 55 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: the video store. This is back in the day, kids, 56 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: when we had video stores. I don't quite feel that 57 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: way on TV because it's just somehow easier to peruse 58 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: and remember these things. But yeah, I need to watch 59 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: Man in the Arena. One of the things that comes 60 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: up in Man in the Arena, and I think it's 61 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: something that you and I have talked about. But it 62 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: was interesting to hear an NFL player and a player 63 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: of Rob gron Gronkowski's stature talk about how beat up 64 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: he was he went into and I think it may 65 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: have been the last. So they did every single super 66 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: Bowl year, not winning, just Super Bowl year of Tom Brady, 67 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: and they hadn't done year ten when he went with 68 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: the Buccaneers. I thought that one was fairly enlightening. So 69 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: they talked to Grock during now when I believe it 70 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: was during that one, and he went through why he 71 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: had actually retired. He said they got through with the 72 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: ninth the eighteen season when he won a Super Bowl 73 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: and he makes that catch down the seam and then 74 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: they end up scoring a touchdown a little bit later 75 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: and they win that game, and he's like he knew 76 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: he was done. He walked off the field. He's like, 77 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: I can't do this. My body is just beat to 78 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: you know what. He sits out twenty nineteen, and then 79 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, Tom goes down to Tampa Bay and 80 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: calls him and he's like, you know what, my body 81 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: started feeling better. Yeah, I'll go down and do it. 82 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: That's it seems logical, But that's the one thing that 83 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: these guys go through so much playing this game. That man, 84 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 1: you get through a seventeen game season and you tack 85 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: on playoffs. You don't want you don't want to go 86 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: through training camp, you don't want to go through all 87 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: that stuff. Well, yeah, you want me down to stretch, 88 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: or you want me to show up during the regular season, 89 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: I'll be there. Those guys are beat up so much 90 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: in it. And look, a five game of if he 91 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: plays five games at the end of the year, you 92 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: can get beat up just as much as playing ten games. 93 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: So I don't know about timing or whatever, but it 94 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: doesn't have to go through training camp. He's sitting out there. 95 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: Tom needs him. I think for the Buccaneers it kind 96 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: of I don't say it stinks for the Buccaneers, but 97 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: they o. J. Howard ended up going to Buffalo. That's 98 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting now Gronkt retires. He loves to have 99 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: his tight end. So if cam Raake get ready, if 100 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: they thought Gronk was gonna be there from the get go, 101 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: I don't shame on them. I'm not even close to 102 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: the situation and I wouldn't count on that. Yeah, and look, 103 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: they'll take him because he comes in handy later on 104 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: and I think as far as the guys that retire young, 105 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: and he's not young in a football sense either. He's 106 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: been around for a while now Rob Gronkowski, but guys 107 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: who have to go through a lot of long rehab, 108 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: which he has had to do. I believe that that 109 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: has a wear and tear effect mentally having to do 110 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: that all over again. That's why JJ blows me away 111 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: that it keeps doing it, because he's had to do 112 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: it so many times and within a season to get 113 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: back for the postseason, has done that twice, semi miraculously. 114 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: Man to have to do that over and over again, 115 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: I think it wears on you. I don't want to 116 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: get off on a tangent on this aspect, but I 117 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: actually was thinking about this the other day. I don't 118 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: know why. I got to thinking about how much longer 119 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: do you think JJ plays? It wouldn't have shocked me 120 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: had he retired this year this offseason. Yeah, I was 121 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: thinking it would not have shocked me at all. I 122 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: think it could be any minute, almost. But you know, 123 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: he understands life very well, right. You know, I'm not 124 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: saying other guys don't necessarily, but you know that JJ does, 125 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: and he knows that when it's over, it's over. You're 126 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: not going to be that guy anymore, or you're gonna 127 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: be the reformer guy, the former great defensive end, the 128 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: former great pass rusher, and one of the best in 129 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: the history of this game, no question. But he still 130 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: has a chance to add to the legacy, add to 131 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: the sack total, maybe get a ring. Possibly possibly. No 132 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: one's picking the Cardinals to do that this year, but hey, 133 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: you never know. No one picked the Bengals to go 134 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: to the super Bowl last year, so it's all out there. 135 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: All right, here's what I want to do today. Let's 136 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: go over first your article. It's way too early for 137 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: training camp, but you wrote this on Houston Texans dot 138 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: com and the Texans appened. Everybody should look at it. 139 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: Five things to watch during Texans Camp. And I'm gonna 140 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: go in reverse order because I liked this question a lot. 141 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: You know, who is the breakout player we didn't see 142 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: coming last year? It was Roy Lopez. Later around Draft choice, 143 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: I had him in a vandermock as we all know 144 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 1: you and I saw him his first day on campus 145 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: that we could actually look there out of the field 146 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: and we're like that dude, is big. I don't know 147 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: if he can play, but he's big. The way he's 148 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: built looks like he possibly can, and he certainly can. 149 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: That was cool. Twenty sixteen, A J. Boyer broke out big. 150 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: That was really cool. He was around here before, but 151 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: he had a great camp. Marking DeAndre Hopkins I use 152 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: the soccer terminology marking DeAndre Hopkins very well in camp 153 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: and then guarding. I'll use the basketball term this time. 154 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: How about that Travis Kelsey in Week two and the 155 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: Texans beat the Chiefs here in a really hard fought, 156 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: hard hitting game at NRG Stadium. Of course, Thursday night 157 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: they lost in the Patriots twenty seven and nothing in 158 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette. We can get to him later. But AJ 159 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: boy A once upon a time was that guy. Another 160 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: once upon a time guy was Dylan Cole. So, Johnny, 161 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: you didn't predict to the breakout guy was, but you 162 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: said that's something to watch for. Who's gonna be the 163 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: breakout player in the twenty twenty two Texans camp. Yeah, 164 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: you can think about this a couple of ways in 165 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: that you know, could it be somebody that's been here 166 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: for a year or two that it has been off 167 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: the bean Powder just hasn't yet the one name that 168 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: I really would like for this to be very clearly 169 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: as Russ Blacklocke, to really truly break out. And that's 170 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: the thing when people like, well, you know Ross has started. 171 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: You know, he's played the last couple of years. But 172 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: I mean I'm talking break out. Like we're watching games 173 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: and ninety is making plays consistently hard to take him 174 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: out of the game, Yes, consistently, like they're rotating guys 175 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: up front, and somehow he's staying in the game because 176 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: they just can't afford to take him off because of 177 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: the plays that he's making. That's the kind of breakout 178 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: that I want to see him have. Now, Roy was 179 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a draft pick, so you kind of 180 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: assumed Roy was gonna have an opportunity. The other way 181 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: I look at a breakout player is is there a 182 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: player that nobody else is talking about channeling up in 183 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: the Luke Pilandry and John nobody's talking about guy? Who's 184 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: the guy that nobody's talking about? And it's a guy 185 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: that we noticed that the both Nick and love you 186 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: have mentioned. And that's as Jed Anderson running back with 187 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: some I mean the big name is Jet. There's a 188 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: reason for that because dude, for four Pink County can fly. 189 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: So maybe he's a breakout guy, a guy that's off 190 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: the beam. So I look at it kind of two 191 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: different ways. The breakout player i'd like for it to 192 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: be as Ross Blacklock. The player that I think could 193 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: come out of nowhere and find a role on this 194 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: team is Darius jed Anderson. He has really really fun 195 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: to watch. And we went through camp last year, and 196 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: we were watching camp last year the running backs. We 197 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: all knew a lot of the vets, but who was 198 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: it every day where we're looking at each other going, hey, man, 199 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: Dontrell Hilliard's pretty dumb good Like he's making some plays, 200 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: like he's doing some really good things in camp. And 201 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: then we got to face him later in the years. 202 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: He's playing with Tennessee Titans, doing some good things. I 203 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: don't know if you would say he'd broke out, but 204 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: he kind of did because he was kind of behind 205 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of bunch of guys that have played a 206 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: lot in the league, but he was making his name 207 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: every day and then he got an opportunity to go 208 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: to the Titans and do something. Man, he did some 209 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: good things for the Titans. So from that perspective, I 210 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: think it's two different ways of looking at it. There 211 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: out to me that I want to see that if 212 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: Ross Blacklock breaks out, oh boy, but Darris jan Anderson 213 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: could come from out of well, nobody really knows this 214 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: guy's name too. Hey, we really like watching number thirty. 215 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: Can we get him the ball in these preseason games 216 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: and see what he can do and then maybe that 217 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: leads to making the team and doing something on a 218 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: regular basis during the regular season. I kind of like 219 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: Philip doors Set also, even though he's been around the league, 220 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: he's been with the Colts, he's been with the Patriots. 221 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: He's here, but he knows that he's got a shine here. 222 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: He wants to make the team, obviously, but he has 223 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: to shine. He wants to be the receiver they always 224 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: thought he could be when they got him out of 225 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: the University of Miami. So we'll see how this goes. 226 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: When the Colts got him, here's another one we have him. 227 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: I think you could throw into that group depending on 228 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: how you perceived Brevin Jordan last year first half of 229 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: the year, he didn't play. I was inactive for the 230 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: first seven eight games. Then he gets in the lineup 231 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: over the last eight nine games and did some things, 232 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: showed some of things that he could do. But if 233 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: he breaks out, what does nan tail Probably seventy seventy 234 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: five catches, eight hundred and fifty nine hundred yards handful 235 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: of touchdowns. That's huge, that would be massive in this particular. 236 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: But you're talking about camp first and foremost. This was 237 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: an article about camp, so he's gonna have to really 238 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: show out during camp. But yes, look during OTAs he's 239 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: hard not to notice out there. It's true he makes plays. 240 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: Brevin Jordan second year now tight end where University of Miami, 241 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: thank you. The defensive line menagerie is number four seventeen 242 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: defensive linemen on the roster. We're gonna be watching the rotation. 243 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: There are a lot of people to sift through here. 244 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: There'll be injuries, there'll be other situations. But you've been 245 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: talking about this from the get go. This is an 246 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: interesting group. They found ways to get pressure last year, 247 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: not always sacks, but pressure last year. Four some bad 248 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: throws they were top third in the league and takeaways. 249 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: Because these guys all played hard, they kept them fresh, 250 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be interesting to find out how they 251 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: figure out who that final eight r That's the thing 252 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: to me, that's the as I started thinking about the 253 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: seventeen guys. Yeah, and you start in your mind thinking, okay, 254 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: well is it undrafted rookie gonna make the roster? Maybe 255 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: he's Kurt Heinich from out of Notre Dame. Is he 256 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: gonna make the roster? And I say that just I 257 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: know what I'm about to say. But you know, you 258 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: say that just because he's undrafted out You know, what 259 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Kurt Heinesh could play. I watched 260 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: him on Notre Dame and liked him, and not only that, 261 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: we were talking to uh. I think it was lovely Smith. 262 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: I think it was love You mentioned Kurt Heinisch and 263 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: I remember making note whoa okay, because that's a guy 264 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: I thought, may he could play. But you think, going 265 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: in with seventeen guys, how's an undrafted free agent gonna 266 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: make it? Like Kurt Heinich, like Double D Daniels, How 267 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: is he gonna make it from out of Nebraska? Those 268 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: undrafted guys they're not gonna make it, are they are? They? 269 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: But then you watch him and you go pretty pretty good. 270 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how they're gonna sift through that whole group. 271 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: I really don't. Again, because of the collisions that go 272 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: on front, they're gonna be some injuries that kind of 273 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: do that for you to a degree. But they're gonna 274 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: be some guys Like last year, They're gonna be some 275 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: guys and they get cut, they end up going somewhere 276 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: else and doing some good things somewhere else. I just 277 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: think that's the that's the depth that they have up there. 278 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: The key to all this is those vets that you 279 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: sign Rashim Green and Mario Addison, Jerry Hughes. You get 280 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: value out of those three guys. I mean, that's three 281 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: of eight right there. Now Rashim can bounce inside outside. 282 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: That's three of eight right there. If those guys all stick, 283 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: how do you then get through everybody else. I'm gonna 284 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: read you some names, Roy Lopez, the League, Ross, Rashim Green, 285 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: John Grenard, Thomas Booker, Jerry Hughes, Addison. Yeah, that's eight right, 286 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: that's eight. I mean, Jordan Jenkins, I could list the 287 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: guys that we have not named. You name Mobo. I 288 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: did not name Obo, and he's gotta be named he's 289 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: gotta be in this eight Obeazy Jordan Jenkins, h Damon 290 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: Harris off the edge stuff for a little b last year. 291 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: You're gonna be some tough cuts here. There's I didn't 292 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 1: even name. Yeah, Highness is a guy that I think 293 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: you know. Derek Rivers has been banged up a little 294 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: bit OTAs we saw him. So it's one of those 295 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: positions that to me is really worth watching. In those 296 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: preseason games become so incredibly massive, they're gonna be guys 297 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: getting reps in the third and fourth quarter of preseason 298 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: games who might write factor in big right. I'm not 299 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: saying necessarily starting, but big time rotational contribution and because 300 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: you have seventeen guys to sift through and like you said, 301 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: injuries whatnot. But yeah, we've just named a whole lot 302 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: of guys on that D line. Okay, your number three 303 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: thing to watch during training camp, Johnny In this article 304 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: on Houston Texans dot Com, which running back takes charge again, 305 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: you're not answering these questions. You're throwing this out there. 306 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to give you an answer here. As far 307 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: as what I want to see from this person, I 308 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: want it to be very clear. I know you need committee, 309 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: but I want it to be very clear that Buddy 310 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: is gonna be a big time difference maker in the 311 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: regular season, or at least has that potential. We know 312 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: they have the potential on paper. We saw some flashes 313 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: of things during OTAs and you mentioned Jed Anderson. Of 314 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: course everyone wants to take a look at Pierce DP. 315 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: You want to take a look at Pierce Royce. Freeman's 316 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: still around, Rex Burkhead still here obviously, And it's interesting 317 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: that they only recently waived Scottie Phillips off IR because 318 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: that was sort of a forgotten man in all this. 319 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: But he's not in the equation. But it's a really 320 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: great question. Who's going to be the take charge guy. 321 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: There's not a thirty carry guy on this roster on 322 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: a regular basis. Nobody has that really other than you 323 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: know who two teams in our division, thank you, but 324 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: twenty five thirty carries. But there's a leader somewhere and 325 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: you have to find that leader. Yeah. Absolutely, And there's 326 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: a part of this I really like, and a part 327 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: of this then I'm like I said, I want to 328 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: see which running back sort of steps up. And I 329 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: always whenever I think of this, I always go back 330 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: to twenty ten and I remember, I remember it was 331 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: during Actually it happened in OTA's but Ben Ben was drafted. Oh, 332 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: Ben Tate was drafted a year twenty ten. Yea, so 333 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: in OTA's And I remember the first OTIA ended up 334 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: going to and I'm watching the running backs and I 335 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: had seen Aria in play for two years or two 336 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: games in two thousand and nine. I thought he was 337 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: really good. And there had been a lot of talk 338 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: to offseason like who are they gonna draft the run 339 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: they got, draft the running back man they got? You 340 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: can't count on Aria and counting on drafted free agent, 341 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: right can you? And that was the question. So they 342 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: went ahead and drafted Ben Tight, been tight, Ben Tight, 343 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: and brought him in. It thought, okay, he's gonna be 344 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: and I'll never forget from the first carrier, that first practice, 345 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: first reception, that practice, all the way through. I remember 346 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: going back to my radio station at the time and 347 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: they were like, oh, what do you think, And I said, well, 348 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. It was a mistake drafted Ben Tate. 349 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: And they were like, why you're so brutal, and I said, 350 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: I said, well, I don't know if it was a mistake. 351 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: I said, it's gonna end up being a pretty good 352 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: one two combination, but is clearly second. And they're like 353 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: what I said, Foster said, Foster's ridiculous. I said, this guy, Wow, 354 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: you get that guy. That guy's gonna be outstanding. And 355 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: he just stood out. He just took charge, if you will. 356 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: He changed numbers, he went to number twenty three. He 357 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: looks sleek, he was quick. Everything he did just look 358 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: different from every other running back that was on the 359 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: roster at that particular time. And I just thought, there's 360 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: no question he's that guy. I didn't think he was 361 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: gonna go out the Colts and go for two bills 362 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: the first game. I didn't think that, but I thought, 363 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: he's clearly the guy here right now, no doubt. It's 364 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: it's no doubt. Of course Ben gets hurt that year, 365 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: Arians got to carry more of the load. Ben came 366 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: back in twenty eleven, and then they were able to 367 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: team up, and still Arian was still that guy. You 368 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: could tell I watched these guys. I can't tell it. 369 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to say I can't tell a difference, 370 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: but I don't know who is that guy. It's not 371 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: as clear as Arians that and you could see it 372 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: in LTA's the body lane they see had a year 373 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: under his belt. You know, Yars doesn't have that, Anderson 374 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: really doesn't have that. You know, obviously Rex does. But 375 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: we know what Rex is to this team at this point. 376 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: He's more than he's not the bell cow running back. 377 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: He's somebody who can certainly spot start and help you 378 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: and play special teams and certainly get carries for he'd 379 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: be productive. There's no doubt he's a tough, hard runner, 380 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: but he's not going to be that main guy. Royce 381 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: Freeman is interesting because can he recapture the form of 382 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: his rookie year. It's possible. It's possible that he has 383 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: enough tread on the tire to help this football team 384 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: more than people can imagine. Yes, he's thick. We did. 385 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: We had an interview with Royce on media days. He 386 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: came in here. Had really fun time talking to him 387 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: because he's he's from like an hour and a half 388 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: away from San Diego. So I was talking about the 389 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: trip I took out there a couple of years ago 390 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: and bringing my car out there, and like, anyways, we're 391 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: talking about that, and really had a good time talking 392 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: to him. But as I'm talking to him, I'm like, man, 393 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: he's thick. You see him out on the field, He's 394 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: a thick guy. But if there's a guy, if there's 395 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: a guy that I'm forced, Hey, who was the number one? Like, 396 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: who's the guy coming out of camp it running back? 397 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: I probably just said Marlon Mack. I think Marlin showed 398 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: a lot, but you hold back because he's coming off 399 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: of Achilles. Running back off with Achilles, you never know, 400 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: but he's two years removed from it, so you hope 401 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: at that point, okay, two years removed, he's gonna be okay, 402 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: And he alluded to that when he talked with us, 403 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: the fact that, yeah, he feels that much better physically. 404 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: That's the only thing that holds me back is that 405 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: if he wasn't coming off an Achilles, but he just 406 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: got stuck behind Jonathan Taylor, I'd say, yeah, that's that's 407 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: it for sure. But what I saw during OTA's I 408 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: felt like, if I had to pick it would be 409 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: it would be close, because I think all the backs 410 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: showed something and showed some positives, but I think Marlon 411 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: Mack would be that number one, and I'd be curious 412 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: to see what he would do against his former team. Well, 413 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: how any running back looks is going to tie into 414 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: your number one thing to watch during training camp. But 415 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: we have number two before we get to that, in 416 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: this article from Houston Texans dot com, and number two 417 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: is Derek Stingley Junior playing football. Meaning we didn't see 418 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: him do a ton. We saw him do some things 419 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: during OTAs, but they're bringing him back from the foot 420 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: and we all want to watch him play and be 421 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: out there and coverage and see what he can do. 422 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: And he's been pretty visible. He just did a thing 423 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: with the rookies at the Houston Texans YMCA yesterday and 424 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: some of that is up on the Texans social media channels. 425 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: I did a zoom with him with some people who 426 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: won an auction with the number one Oh what, the 427 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: number one pick for the Texans, number three overall. It 428 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: was Stingley and they were LSU fans and it was 429 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: Pamela Irby and her husband Thomas, and Pamela was out 430 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: in Vegas and got to go on stage with Goddell 431 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: and announce a pick. Yeah, yeah, that was cool. And 432 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: she was out there with a bunch of diehard Texans fans, 433 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: and Stingley was in Vegas but not at the draft party, 434 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: so it's just kind of interesting. And Stingley could not 435 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: have been better. Yeah, and he was fun at this 436 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: Houston Texans YMCA thing, which I know these two things 437 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: are the most important things to everyone listening. No, they're not. 438 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: What's most important everyone listening is how's he gonna look 439 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: on the field. We want to see it. But Johnny, 440 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: he said things in this call I don't mind sharing 441 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: this that really intrigued me, the way his process works, 442 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: looking at the quarterback. He described some of the nuances 443 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: of the way he handled things in college, and I 444 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: just thought, this guy's gonna sharp mind, he's gonna be 445 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: and he's obviously outstanding athletically, he's gonna be good. He's 446 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: gonna be good. He's gonna put the time in the 447 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: work in just gotta get healthy and let's see him 448 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: in camp. I'm about to say something that I know, 449 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're gonna say. Okay, do you 450 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: want to read the last sentence of what I wrote, 451 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: The very very last sentence of what I wrote about 452 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: Derek Stingley. Basically Number two is Derek Stingory playing football. 453 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: I love watching this guy play. I love him at LSU. 454 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: Do you have that last sentence? Yes, it says all 455 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: eyes will be on him due to his draft slot, 456 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: but I just love to watch him match and mirror 457 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: and compete for the Rock. I wonder if there it 458 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: is read that last one. I wonder if nah, I'll 459 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: stop there for now. Well, you know what the plan 460 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: was in twenty twenty one, right, the plan in twenty 461 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: twenty one when he was at LSU before the foot injury. 462 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: What was the plan? Well, I mean there's Justin Jefferson, 463 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: There's Jamar Chase, there's uh Terris Marshall. I mean they 464 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: did have ke seam Boote, but I thought that maybe 465 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: Derek Stingley might play some offense said LSU. I'm not 466 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: saying that's happening. Oh boy, I'm not saying that's happen. 467 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: But could you imagine, Yeah, could you imagine what happened 468 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: a lot of things if that If they pulled that 469 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,239 Speaker 1: out now, I don't think they would do it as 470 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: a rookie, especially coming off the foot injury. I think 471 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: they would want him, like you focus here, But as 472 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: the year goes on, if he's making some plays, or 473 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: maybe teams aren't thrown at him, going you know what, 474 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: we don't want to throw at this guy, and they 475 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: want to get him involved in some way, shape or form. 476 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not I'm not opposed to it. I 477 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: really am not. I'll tell if he checks into the 478 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: game on offense, he's attracting a lot of attention. Wait 479 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: a minute, right, what's he gonna do? They must be 480 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: going to him, right if they bring him into the game. 481 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: There's a lot there's a lot that could there's a 482 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: lot that could be there. But that was that was 483 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: the talk. In fact, he alluded to it. I think 484 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: it was at SEC media Days in twenty twenty one. 485 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: He was wearing number seven, and the thought was, you know, 486 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: wearing number seven. A lot of guys at LSU warned 487 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: that's a big that's a big number. You know. Leonard Fournette, 488 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: Warrett Tyrn, Warrett, Patrick Peterson I think was the first 489 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: one to go to number seven and wear it. So 490 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: it became a big number to wear. And so he's 491 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: gonna wear number seven. And there was like, yeah, you know, 492 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: maybe can flop over in the offensive side and go 493 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: run some routes and do some things on the offensive 494 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: side of the ball, and I thought, wow, yeah, Now 495 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: again it's a rookie, so I would my I think 496 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: my heart would feel better if you just defense master it, 497 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: get it down. Year two. I think Lovey's heart will 498 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: feel better too. Let's play around. And that's the other 499 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: part of this too, was head coaches defense a play caller, 500 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: so when he looks out there in offense and he 501 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: sees his star corner like, oh man, but when's the 502 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: last time we had a player in the NFL. No, 503 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: we've had players that could do it. When's the last 504 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: time we saw a player in the NFL that actually 505 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: did plays, even like a handful of plays both ways. 506 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: I remember them trying to figure out what to do 507 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: with Devin Hester and yeah, I was there during that time. Yeah, 508 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: so that's pretty interesting. Well, the one guy I can 509 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: think of, well, there's two guys I can think of. 510 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: I remember Hot playing defense and hail Mary situation here. 511 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: Um remember Trey Brown wide receiver? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. 512 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,239 Speaker 1: You know who also played defense for a little while too, 513 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: was Julian Edelman. That's right, Well, we know who was 514 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: there during that time, and we have him here. So 515 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: there's that. Yeah, you said that, and quickly the number 516 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: one thing here that you want to see or that 517 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: is a thing to watch during training camp in your 518 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: article in Houston Texans dot com offensive line physicality. Yes, 519 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: this is going to tell you a whole lot how 520 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: that D line really does look, how the linebackers look, 521 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: and of course which running back can take charge because 522 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: something happens, There's an electricity, there's a chemistry, something happens 523 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: when you get the pads on and you see these 524 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: running plays, when they go full on, let's go go 525 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: line here, this is gonna be smash math. We want 526 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: to see who's more physical. And yes, with George Warhop 527 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: in the building, this is definitely something to watch, maybe 528 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: the thing to watch, and obviously everything feeds into that. Yeah. 529 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: And I think with again going back to Lovey Smith 530 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: being a head coach, defensive minded, plank physical on outside 531 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 1: of the ball, being disruptive, I mean matching that on offense. 532 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: I mean, look, you gotta you gotta run and throw 533 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: for as many yards as you possibly can. So however 534 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: you do it, I don't really care. I don't care 535 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: if this is the most finesse offense we've ever seen. 536 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: I just a don't think it's going to be in 537 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: b I don't think that offensive line will have finesse 538 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: in them. I think there's an opportunity to with some 539 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: of the things they're doing. Just watching what they were doing, 540 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have to bring up their physicality 541 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: to be able to run the ball the way that 542 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: they want to be as diverse in the run game. 543 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: But I think they have the pieces of front to 544 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: do that. They just gotta do it. You know, it's 545 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: one of those things, well, yeah, they're there now, they 546 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: just gotta do it. Well, Okay, let's do it, and 547 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: this is that time. And those running backs, I think 548 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: obviously we'll appreciate that, but those five upfront, and we 549 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: don't know that five are gonna be. I think we 550 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: know that Laramie and Titus will be any outside. I 551 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: think we have that down justin Brittt Center. More than likely. 552 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: We think Kenyan Green, hopefully he's gonna be fully healthy 553 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: for training camp and he will step into one of 554 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: those guard spots. We think AJ can the other one. 555 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know so, but it's not set 556 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: in stone yet. And don't forget about don't forget about 557 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: me guy. Yeah, and that would be Max Sharp Mack sharping, 558 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: absolutely no doubt. Justin mccraie, don't forget about Justin mccraieus. 559 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: There are guys would have lost snaps. You know. Charlie 560 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: Hack has started thirteen. He wants to play too, all right. 561 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: Check out Johnny's article Houston Texans dot Com and the 562 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: Texans app coming up. We're gonna go full on Athlon, Lindy's, 563 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: Dave Campbell. Let's pick two divisions. The Texans are playing 564 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: NFC East and AFC West. We'll do that next here 565 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: on Texans Radio. Keeping your company on a Tuesday drive 566 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: home or wherever you're going or listening. Great to have 567 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: you with us on Texans Radio, Mark Van Dramaer and 568 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: John Harris with you, Johnny. The Texans will play the 569 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: AFC West and the NFC East this year, and we're 570 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: gonna go Lyndy's Athlons maybe Dave Campbell. We're gonna go 571 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: preseason mag style here and pick the divisions. By the way, 572 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: pre internet, I used to inhale these magazines. I still 573 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: get them Athlons and Lindy's you do. It's kind of cool. 574 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: Because they summarize everything. You have them in the written 575 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: form in your hands. It's just different than looking things 576 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: up online. I kind of like that. But here we go, 577 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: all right, which shall we start with? First? Let's just 578 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: go with the NFC East, which might be the weirdest 579 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: division in football. Yeah, I'm gonna go weirdest, and I 580 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: think leading the way in the weird ishness is the 581 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: Washington Commanders having Carson Wentz as their quarterback. This is 582 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: a team that went seven and ten last year. Yea, 583 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: with Wentz playing as well as he did last year. 584 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: At times, I know that's a lot to ask for. 585 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: They could surprise some people within that division, and then 586 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: who knows, they really could. This could be the surprise 587 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: team in the league. Perhaps you flipped that seven and 588 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: ten to ten and seven. That's the same record that 589 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: the Bengals had last year and they went to the 590 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: super Bowl. So I'm picking Washington. No, I'm not. I 591 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: would not do that, but I think Washington sort of 592 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: paints the picture of how strange this division can be. 593 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: Things they've got to focus on. First of all, Wentz 594 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: has got to play. It's not so much mistake free, 595 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: but he's got to play idiot free. He can't do 596 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: idiotic things like throwing left hand interceptions in his own reds. 597 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: I mean, he's got to do smart things with the football. Yeah, 598 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: they've got to get Terry McLaren his contract and get 599 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: that thing worked out. Chase Young has to be fully healthy, 600 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: and it sounds like he is, and then they've got 601 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: to make sure that that secondary is halfway decent. And 602 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're all the way there with 603 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: that secondary. They loaded up offensively with John Dotson because 604 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: they weren't sure about McLaren and I like Dots and 605 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: think Dots and McLaren could be a good team, good connection. 606 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,239 Speaker 1: But this all comes down to wins. Will they protect him? 607 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: Is that offensive line gonna be good enough? They lost 608 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: Brandon Sheriff, All Pro guard, so he's finally out of 609 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: the buildings. So is that offensive line good enough to 610 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: protect Wins? Well, wentz play idiot free? And are they 611 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: healthy enough on the front, because that defensive front could 612 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: be stout. The defensive The defensive front with Montes Sweat 613 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: and Chase Young and Ron Payne and Jonathan Allen's one 614 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: of the best ones in the league. But secondary has 615 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: been great and those guys didn't all play well at 616 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: the same time last year, so I think they could 617 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: be a surprise. But it just can Wentz not kill himself. Yeah, 618 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: and I think that's a that's a man, that's an issue. 619 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 1: Antonio Gibson's running back is one of the better ones 620 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: in the league. I wanted us to draft him a 621 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I think he is a He's 622 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: a tremendous weapon for them. I think Washington's kind of 623 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: lyne in the weeds. And if Wentz does play well, 624 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: that's a division they absolutely can win. So will you 625 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,239 Speaker 1: pick the Cowboys to finish first in this division? Yes? 626 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: Or no? They went twelve and five last year. If 627 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: I remember right, NFC East champion has not repeated year 628 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: after years since back in the nineties. I think. I 629 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: think it's always been a different team. That's wild. Yeah, 630 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: let me give you a number from last year. I 631 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: have a team that in mind that was all right. 632 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: So the Cowboys were six at ozo in the division. 633 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean that's huge to get twelve wins. You know, 634 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: you go four and two and feel pretty decent about 635 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: your divisional record and have ten wins, So there's that 636 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: they're not going six and oo in the NFC East 637 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: this year, not with Philly doing what they've done. I 638 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: don't think with Washington doing what they've done, the Cowboys 639 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: are not going six and oz in the division. No, 640 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: I don't think so. In fact, the team and I 641 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: think he's gonna win it's Philadelphia, okay, And I don't 642 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't have a I don't have a conviction like 643 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pound the table and filled off Eagles. I'm 644 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: not going to Vegas and put one hundred dollars on 645 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: the Eagles. IM not gonna do that. But I just 646 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: feel like, what the Cowboys They're always a ticket time mom. Yeah, 647 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: they really are. And when it they're really they're really 648 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 1: like a fine tuned Italian sports car that if if 649 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: it's off just a widget, then it could the whole 650 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: thing can go to hades. It's got to be everything 651 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: in sync perfect and then like whoa. That's the way 652 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: that that Cowboys team feels like a front runner team 653 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: to me, Yes, absolutely, that's absolutely what it is. So 654 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: for that reason, I just can't get behind the Cowboys. 655 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: It's really hard. But as far as talent in the division, 656 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: holy smokes, yeah, I mean that team is. That team 657 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: is loaded. Philly comes here, Washington comes here. Tickets at 658 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: Houston Texans dot Com Ticketmaster. So those two teams come here. 659 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: You're on the road against the Giants, So you're gonna 660 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: pick the Eagles to win it. Eagles Giants last? Are 661 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: we safe to say? Giants last? So Daniel Jones, they 662 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: don't pick up the fifth year option and they still 663 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: believe in him. Wait what Yeah, that doesn't make sense 664 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: to me. Well, we've talked about this a lot. I've 665 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: heard a lot of people talk about from a from 666 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: a Texas perspective, why did the Texas not draft a 667 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: quarterback this year? First of all, you saw what happened. 668 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: There was one first rounder and there were a bunch 669 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: of third rounders. There's no sense in doing that. And 670 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: as we've talked about, and I've said this before, Look, 671 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: if if this Texas team has a really if they 672 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,479 Speaker 1: struggle in twenty twenty two, then more than likely Davis 673 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: has struggled, and then the twenty twenty three Classic Quarterbacks 674 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: is really, really good. You can go get a rookie. 675 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: Then I think the Giants looked at it that way. 676 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna do this for a year with Daniel Jones, 677 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: and we'll get some other picks. We've got two top 678 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: ten picks, we'll get Thibodeau, we'll get Neal. That'll be 679 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: the foundation to start along with Andrew Thomas, Leonard Williams, etc. 680 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: And if Jones doesn't get it done, we're gonna finish 681 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: top four again and we're gonna get one of these quarterbacks. 682 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: In a way we go, well, don't you want to 683 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: know what Brian Dable said in the room when they 684 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: interviewed him and what he's saying now about Daniel joneson 685 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: I want to know that behind closed doors, I can 686 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: fix him. So it's Gary Kubiak with David Carr in 687 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: two thousand and six kind of thing. I have a 688 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: feeling that's the first thing that popped into my head 689 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: when you ask me about it. Yeah, because you can't. 690 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,239 Speaker 1: It's a it's kind of a no lose situation, right, 691 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this is the way Gary in 692 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: a way that Brian Dabele look at it, but they go, 693 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: I can fix him, and if I can't, I can't, 694 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: it's his fault. But if I do, then look right, 695 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: So it's really kind of a no lose situation to 696 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: say this, as long as the Giant's ownership is patient 697 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: with Dabel and allows him to well get another shot 698 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: with somebody else, at least for a few years, because 699 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: if you draft somebody, we all know it's not gonna 700 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: be year one in all likelihood, you're gonna have to 701 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: wait it out. Daniel Jones, we seen him make some players. 702 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: We've also seen him turn it over a ton I 703 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: mentioned this before, if Barkley can turn into the Barkley 704 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: that everyone thought that would be something that it would be. 705 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: I don't know. Outside of Barkley, I mean, I've always 706 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: been a Sterling Shepherd fan. I remember interviewing him at 707 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and just fell in love with the guy. 708 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: I was hoping that we were gonna end up with 709 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: him here in Houston. So I cheer for him. But 710 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: outside of that, you know, look, Cadarius Tony could be special, 711 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: but man, off the field, you just never know what 712 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: that guy and so you just kind of you're always 713 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: kind of like on edge. I feel like if they 714 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: can get Tony on board this year and they could 715 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: find something with Barkley, give him another two year extension 716 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: to keep him there, that if things don't go well 717 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: with Jones bringing a young quarterback with Barkley and Kadarius 718 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: Tony and Sterling Shepherd, at least to start, you've got 719 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: something and then day Bowl can start, you know, building 720 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: around him. And look, Joe Shane's GM. They came from 721 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: Buffalo together. They're a package deal like Gary crew Back 722 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: and Rick were in some sense many many years ago. 723 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: So and I think the Giants, I think it was 724 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: John Merrill who said, you know what, I don't know 725 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: that we we have done this right at the head 726 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: coach GM position. So I think they've got a little 727 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: bit of latitude. So I think even if it doesn't work, Okay, 728 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 1: you guys knew it. We found out Daniel Jones wasn't fixable. 729 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: We gotta get our quarterback, and they'll be drafting the 730 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: top three or four and they get their quarterback. You 731 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: mentioned the whole Mills thing and why the Texans didn't 732 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: draft a quarterback or weren't going to this year. Let 733 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: me tell this one about you. What if Mills this 734 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: past draft, having done what he did last year, was 735 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: thrown into the draft miraculously, where's he going? I think 736 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 1: he would have gone ahead to Picket. I think you're 737 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: doing QB one. Okay, I think you would do in 738 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: Q one. Based on that alone, you're on the right track, right, 739 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: but it's also based on things. You're a you're ahead 740 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: of you, you really are. You've played him in the NFL, right, 741 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: he was gonna go in the first round this year, 742 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: and if even if he went in the second round, 743 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: you would have been excused for not drafting Picket at 744 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: number three overall. Right, if Bills it stayed at Stanford 745 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: and the rest is history. Okay, all right, we have 746 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: to do the AFC West. We'll do that next here 747 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: on Texans Radio. I final look at things tonight here 748 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: on Texans Radio, Mark Vactor May and John Harris with 749 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,280 Speaker 1: you as we're picking the divisions the Texans are playing 750 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: other than the AFC South, of course, but the NFC 751 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: East and the AFC West. Johnny, let's go AFC West now. 752 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: And I just don't want to go one, two, three, 753 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: four here. I want to know who you're gonna pick 754 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: last in this division? Who will be the last place 755 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: team in the AFC West. The Chargers, as we don't 756 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: missed the playoffs, they couldn't beat the Raiders or tie. 757 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 1: The Raiders in their last game, they went nine and eight, 758 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: one of those losses against the Houston Texans. Of course, 759 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 1: the Broncos people look at this team in a variety 760 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: of different ways, but they went seven and ten, and 761 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 1: I'm not saying seven and ten is anything to write about. 762 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: That's what Washington was. We talked about them in our 763 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: last segment with Russell Wilson, and I know there are 764 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 1: other changes and including a coaching change, but with Russell 765 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: Wilson on a seven and ten team, that could flip. 766 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it will, but it could flip to 767 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: ten and seven. Chiefs come back to Earth a little bit. 768 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: Note Tyreek Hill, what does that do? Oh? My gosh, 769 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: Kelsey's not a younger guy anymore. Does that affect things? Oh? 770 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: Is the enemy feud? Is that for real? Or is 771 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: that just an article that we all read and was 772 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: quickly dismissed. And the Raiders, with all their improvements, This 773 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: is a tough nut to crack the AFC West. It's 774 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: a hard one to pick, and to pick last, I 775 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: feel like the Chargers of the most talented overall team 776 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: in the Vision. I feel like the Chiefs. You can 777 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: never if They've got Mahomes, Andy Reid and Kelsey. They'll 778 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: be fine. So it comes down to the Raiders and 779 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: the Broncos. And at that point you look at the 780 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: Raiders firepower and they think, wow, you know, defensively they're not. 781 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: Oh man, They've got two the better edge rushers in 782 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: the league and Chandler Jones and Max Crosby, so could grief. 783 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: But that said, I don't know the Raiders defense at 784 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: all three levels is good enough, at least not yet. 785 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 1: So I think I'm gonna put the Raiders last. That 786 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: the Raiders are gonna win some shootouts because their offensive 787 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: firepower is just ridiculous, but I don't know defensively if 788 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 1: they're all the way there yet. The Chargers I think 789 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 1: are good on all three levels on defense. I don't 790 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: think the Chiefs are great defensively, but Mahomes carries them 791 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: and they've been there. The Broncos. You said it. The 792 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: Broncos are the X factor to me. I it's not 793 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 1: so much that I'm not sold on Russell Wilson, but 794 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: I just don't know. It's a new quarterback, it's a 795 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: new head coach. They've never worked together, so how does 796 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: that come together. I know they had a good running 797 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: game in Javante Williams. Defensively, I feel like they're good 798 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 1: at all three levels. But there's something about the Broncos 799 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: that I just I don't know. I just I worry about. 800 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: So I would I'm sorry, I put the Raiders at three. 801 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: I'd put the Broncos at four. I'm going that way. 802 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: I just think the firepower for the Raiders will get 803 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: them game or two. So Broncos last, Raiders third, Chief second, 804 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: Chargers first. That's the way I would hear. Broncos points wise, 805 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: had the best defense in the division, yeah last year, 806 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: and I think the defense the defense. If you put 807 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: the Broncos defense with the Raiders offense, then I think 808 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: you're talking about at least one of the top three 809 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: teams in the league, if not the best team. But 810 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: I just don't I don't trust the Broncos offense totally yet. 811 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: And maybe that's just a wait and see on Russell 812 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: and not so much Russell trust them yet kind of 813 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: how it all fits together. Once they find a groove, 814 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: which hopefully is after week two, fine, that's great, but 815 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: hopefully it happens after week two. And I think that's 816 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 1: gonna be that to me, is gonna be one of 817 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: the national stories this year is teams that have new quarterbacks, 818 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: be at rookies or veterans, ones that were traded for 819 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan in Annapolis? How does that merger go? Carson 820 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: Wentz with the Commanders, how does that go? Russell Wilson 821 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: with the bron You know, how does that? How do 822 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: those how does that all work together with new people? 823 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: They're unaccustomed to being with that. They have gone a 824 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: decade in the league or a decent amount of time 825 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: in the league, and now they've got to deal with 826 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: the new play caller, coordinator, new offense. How does that go? 827 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: And I think those three teams could be in the mix. 828 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: If one of those quarterbacks steps up and they show 829 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: it early, then the Broncos could be trouble. But I 830 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: just don't. I think it's gonna take them a little 831 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: bit longer than the others. That's why this league. Another 832 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: reason why this league is so phenomenal, because look at 833 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: this division. Look at the storylines. Wilson and the Broncos, 834 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: the Raiders with everything they did, McDaniels leading the Raiders, 835 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: how does that play in with the Patriot like culture. 836 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: If it is indeed like that in Las Vegas with 837 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: that team, how's that gonna go? The Chargers are the Chargers, 838 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 1: and Herbert is Electric, and then you have the Chiefs 839 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: and they're the Chiefs. There's so much to watch just 840 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: in that division alone, storyline wise. You know, it's interesting 841 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: when the NFL was making this decision about what they 842 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: were gonna do, where the Raiders are gonna go, where 843 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: they gonna put teams in LA and all that, and 844 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, man, you know what, why put teams 845 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: out in LA. Man? LA doesn't really care about that. 846 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: They don't really, it doesn't really matter. But then you 847 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: look out on the West coast now and you've got 848 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: both teams in LA that are outstanding with surefire star power, 849 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: you know, the teams we just talked about, all in 850 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: that division. It's like the West is just tremendous. It's 851 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: a complete opposite then it is in college football. College 852 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: football is all Southeast and the East. I mean, it's 853 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: all over on the East coast. The NFL. You look 854 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: at the NFC and AFC West. You could do an 855 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: NFL one hundred of just those eight teams and come 856 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: pre daunt close I'm curious to see how many of 857 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,839 Speaker 1: those teams get players and when the NFL network does 858 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: it in the NFL one hundred, because they put those 859 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: two teams in LA and it's like, man, holy smokes. 860 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: Those divisions are incredible in both the NFC and AFC. 861 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: So thankfully we're only playing one of them this year, 862 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: but it's gonna be such a tough not to crack 863 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: Plan thus fourteen. I like what you said about the 864 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: West Coast. I just wish the Chargers were still in 865 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: San Diego. I wish somehow, some way they could get 866 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 1: a stadium done in that city, keep that team in 867 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: that city. I never wish for the Rams to remain 868 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: in Saint Louis, sorry Saint Louis people, but definitely the 869 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: Chargers in San Diego. It just seemed right to have 870 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: them there. Johnny, thanks a lot, Mark, Thank you all right. 871 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: Read Johnny's articles on Houston Texans dot com and the 872 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 1: Texans App, so check it out there. This show is 873 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: gonna be on the Texans app soon enough. We have 874 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: podcasts up there as well, ticket information. Everything you need 875 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 1: to enjoy to experience your Houston Texans. Will be back 876 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: on tomorrow of course have a great night everyone and 877 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,280 Speaker 1: go Texans.