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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. There's a place in our world where the dubious

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<v Speaker 1>things end up, a morgue of fakes, hoaxes, frauds, and

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories. I've got a wall of televisions in here.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a hoax. I think it's a hoax

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<v Speaker 1>by the newspapers and the Democrats are based on based

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<v Speaker 1>on what you've been with a lot of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter what it's supposedly about, the pandemic, the election,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like a broken record. It's a hoax. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a hoax. Everybody knows that it's a it's a complete hoax.

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<v Speaker 1>Or it's like a Russian doll. Crack open one hoax

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<v Speaker 1>an inside there's just another hoos hoax after hoaxing. But

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<v Speaker 1>a hoax. It's a hoax because as soon as Teach

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<v Speaker 1>was over, they needed something else to bring down shrump

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<v Speaker 1>and they had to bring the economy down. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is it and I'll tell you why. So wait, wait, James,

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<v Speaker 1>you think that somebody conspired to have a virus to

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<v Speaker 1>bring down the president? Yea a deep state? The deep state.

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<v Speaker 1>Conspiracy theorists look for patterns, they connect the dots. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's also how historians work even here in a place

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<v Speaker 1>that lies half hidden, in the shadow of doubt, where

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<v Speaker 1>the sign on the door reads the last Archive. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm digging through my files to find the hook

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<v Speaker 1>story that started it all. Two minus one minute, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five seconds on the Apollo mission, The flight to land

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<v Speaker 1>of the first men on the Moon, nineteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>The dawn of the Age of Aquarius, the dawn of

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<v Speaker 1>the age of the hoax, step through an airlock to

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<v Speaker 1>Cape Canaveral, Florida. The Kennedy Space Center Launch time follow eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>When NASA launched Apollo eleven in July nineteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>that rocket fractured time and space. People who watched on

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<v Speaker 1>television live remember it. I was too little. But for

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<v Speaker 1>most people this was a television event, not a big

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<v Speaker 1>bang of an idea like Copernicanism or Darwinism. It was

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<v Speaker 1>something you watched on a screen as if it were

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<v Speaker 1>a TV show like Gunsmoke or Bonanza, a television episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But it also was a dream, and it was a

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<v Speaker 1>big idea. Since the dawn of humanity, people had lain

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<v Speaker 1>awake in the chill and dark of night and looked

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<v Speaker 1>up at the stars in the Moon and wondered what's

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<v Speaker 1>up there or who. Then at the start of the

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy administration, the President said it was time to find

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<v Speaker 1>the answers. We set sail on this new sea because

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<v Speaker 1>there is new knowledge to be gained and new rights

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<v Speaker 1>to be won, and they must be won and used

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<v Speaker 1>or the progress of all people. The audacity of it

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<v Speaker 1>staggers me. In the middle of the twentieth century, in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of an arms race, at the height of

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<v Speaker 1>the techno swagger of the Cold War, the United States

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<v Speaker 1>decided to conquer the Moon. We choose to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon and districate and do the other thing, not

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<v Speaker 1>because they are easy, but because they are hard. Because

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<v Speaker 1>that gold we'll serve to organize and measure the best

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<v Speaker 1>of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one

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<v Speaker 1>that we're willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone,

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<v Speaker 1>and one we intend to win. We will win the moon.

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<v Speaker 1>We will win the race to the Moon. It began

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<v Speaker 1>with a big idea in nineteen sixty one, but when

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<v Speaker 1>it finally came off, when it happened it was broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>live in nineteen sixty nine, it became a big idea

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<v Speaker 1>disguised as a TV event, A miniseries beginning with the

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<v Speaker 1>rockets launch on July sixteenth, at nine thirty two am

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern five four three two one zero, all engine running,

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<v Speaker 1>lipped off. We have a lipped off thirty two minutes

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<v Speaker 1>past the hour, ripped off on Apollo eleven. The United

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<v Speaker 1>States had been launching people into orbit and beyond for

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<v Speaker 1>nearly a decade at this point, but this launch it

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<v Speaker 1>was hard to believe it was really happening, probably because

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<v Speaker 1>of where it was going. Norman Mailer, the bad boy

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<v Speaker 1>of mid century American letters, wrote a series of essays

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<v Speaker 1>about it for Life Magazine. The event was so removed,

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<v Speaker 1>so unreal, that no objective choral would have existed to

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<v Speaker 1>prove it had not been an event stage in the

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<v Speaker 1>television studio, like the greatest connoist century. Here's what made

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<v Speaker 1>mail are sure the Moon mission wasn't a con. Going

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<v Speaker 1>to the Moon was hard, but faking it and the

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy required to cover up the fake would have been

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<v Speaker 1>even harder. It would have been impossible if it were bogus,

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<v Speaker 1>Mailer said, it would have been as incredible an accomplishment

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<v Speaker 1>and mass hoodwinking as the actual mission was in technology.

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<v Speaker 1>It would take criminals and confidence been mightier, more trustworthy,

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<v Speaker 1>and more resourceful than anything in a century of the

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<v Speaker 1>ones before. So that makes sense to me. It'd be

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<v Speaker 1>way too complicated to fake this. Why not just go

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<v Speaker 1>to the Moon? All the same? A not small number

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<v Speaker 1>of Americans began to think the Moon mission was a hoax,

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<v Speaker 1>that there had really been a mass hoodwinking. But believe

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<v Speaker 1>it or not, some people say it never happened. This

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing was a fake. Decide for yourself, as he explore,

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<v Speaker 1>the vice or mid have orchestrated the deception of the

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<v Speaker 1>century massa cop have pulled off the greatest coats of

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<v Speaker 1>all time. Welcome to the Last Archive, the show about

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<v Speaker 1>how we know what we know, how we used to

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<v Speaker 1>know things, and why it seems lately as if we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know anything at all. I'm Jillipour and this is

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<v Speaker 1>our season of doubt. What about going to the Moon

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<v Speaker 1>led to the rise of the modern age of the

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<v Speaker 1>hoax and to the idea that history itself couldn't be trusted.

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<v Speaker 1>It had taken seven years from the day Kennedy said

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<v Speaker 1>we choose to go to the Moon, to the launch

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<v Speaker 1>itself the effort costs nearly two hundred billion dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one. Money, no bucks, no buck, rogers, NASA

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<v Speaker 1>guys told Congress. But Congress kept ponying up all that money,

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<v Speaker 1>not so much because members of Congress were looking to

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<v Speaker 1>the future, but because they were looking to the past,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically to something that had happened in nineteen fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Until two days ago, that sound had never been heard

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<v Speaker 1>on this earth. Suddenly it has become as much a

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<v Speaker 1>part of twentieth century life as the horror of your

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<v Speaker 1>vacuum cleaner. It's a report from man's farthest frontier. The

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<v Speaker 1>radio signal transmitted by the Soviet Sputnik, the first man

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<v Speaker 1>made satellite, as it passed over New York earlier today.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen fifty seven, the Soviet Union had launched the

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<v Speaker 1>world's first satellite, Sputnik. At the time, Kennedy was a

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<v Speaker 1>Massachusetts Senator. He publicly blamed President Eisenhower for what had

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<v Speaker 1>been dubbed a missile gap, for falling behind the Soviets

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<v Speaker 1>in the space race. Senate majority leader Lyndon Johnson warned

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<v Speaker 1>that soon the Russians will be dropping bombs on us

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<v Speaker 1>from space like kids dropping rocks onto cars from freeway overpasses.

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<v Speaker 1>Historians have come to cease since there really was no

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<v Speaker 1>missile gap, which is what Eisenhower had always insisted. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>with some reluctance, Eisenhower agreed to establish NASA, the National

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<v Speaker 1>Aeronautics and Space Administration. It's easy to think American voters

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<v Speaker 1>were super gung ho about NASA and about going to

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon, but Americans were not gung ho about the

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<v Speaker 1>Moon mission. At hardly any point between the day Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>announced the mission and the day American astronauts landed on

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon did a majority of Americans support the moonshot. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>critics called it a moondoggle for one thing, A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people thought, not unreasonably, that there are other better

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<v Speaker 1>things to spend taxpayer money on the head of the

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<v Speaker 1>National Urban League said it will cost thirty five billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars to put two men on the Moon. It would

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<v Speaker 1>take ten billion dollars to lift every poor person in

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<v Speaker 1>this country above the official poverty standard this year. Something

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong somewhere. The day before the launch, civil rights

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<v Speaker 1>activists staged a protest at the Kennedy Space Center. Ralph

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<v Speaker 1>Abernathy gave a speech that even now unsettles me from

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<v Speaker 1>this day to the heavens beyond. But as long as racism, poverty, hunger,

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<v Speaker 1>and won't prevail on the head, we as a civilized

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<v Speaker 1>nation have failed. Among the skeptics of the Moonshot were

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<v Speaker 1>some of the astronaut's own wives. The wife of a

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<v Speaker 1>member of the crew of Apollo ten said, if you

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<v Speaker 1>think going to the moon is hard, try staying at home.

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<v Speaker 1>This is strange sexual politics to the Cold War race

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<v Speaker 1>to conquer space. A few people said this more squarely

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<v Speaker 1>than the writer and scientist Rachel Carson, who, when the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviets launched their first satellite, had been writing a book

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<v Speaker 1>she'd been calling men against the Earth. In pre spotnic days,

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<v Speaker 1>it was easy to dismiss so much as science fiction fantasies.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the most far fetched schemes seem entirely possible of achievement,

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<v Speaker 1>and man seems actually likely to take into his hands,

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<v Speaker 1>ill prepared as he is psychologically many of the functions

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<v Speaker 1>of God. So yes, even before the Moonshot there were

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<v Speaker 1>people who are skeptical about it, about men trying to

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<v Speaker 1>become gods by flying to the skies. There were misgivings.

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<v Speaker 1>But how did we get from doubts and misgivings to

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<v Speaker 1>a full on conspiracy theory. One answer to that question

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<v Speaker 1>lies in the history of hoaxes. I started to have

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<v Speaker 1>a hunch that hoaxes weren't about what certainly what the

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<v Speaker 1>hoaxes said they were, but even what people sometimes wrote

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<v Speaker 1>about that they were. Kevin Young is the poetry editor

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<v Speaker 1>of The New Yorker and director of the Smithsonian Museum

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<v Speaker 1>of African American History and Culture. He's also the author

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<v Speaker 1>of a very on the noose book, Oh, and my

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<v Speaker 1>book is Bunk. The Rise of Hoaxes, humbug play, dress phonies,

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<v Speaker 1>post facts, and fake News. I called Young because it

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<v Speaker 1>was in his book that I'd first read of the

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<v Speaker 1>Moon hoax. Not the theory that American astronauts never went

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<v Speaker 1>to the Moon in nineteen sixty nine, but a completely

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<v Speaker 1>different hoax perpetrated in the nineteenth century by an American

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<v Speaker 1>penny newspaper, The New York Sun. In eighteen thirty five,

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<v Speaker 1>The Sun ran a series about some astounding new astronomical discoveries.

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<v Speaker 1>Recent discoveries in astronomy will build an imperishable monument to

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<v Speaker 1>the age in which we live and confer upon the

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<v Speaker 1>present generation of the human race, a proud distinction through

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<v Speaker 1>all future time. In the eighteen thirties, astronomers had been

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<v Speaker 1>debating whether life could exist on the Moon. The scientific

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<v Speaker 1>consensus tended towards no, because astronomers had been able to

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<v Speaker 1>determine that there is no atmosphere on the Moon. No atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 1>no life. Still, they weren't certain. There was room for doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>So playing on this doubt, the Sun perpetrated a hoax

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<v Speaker 1>on Herschel. The famous Scottish astronomer had just built an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous telescope in South Africa. That was true, But then

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun published what it claimed was a reprint of

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<v Speaker 1>a journal article reporting to an eager public what Herschel

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<v Speaker 1>had seen through that telescope. This was the hoax. No

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<v Speaker 1>such journal article ever existed. The Sun made it up,

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<v Speaker 1>but in their coverage they reported that when Herschel put

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<v Speaker 1>his eye to the eyepiece he saw life on the

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<v Speaker 1>surface of the Moon. He was about to become the

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<v Speaker 1>sole depository of wondrous secrets which had been hid from

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<v Speaker 1>the eyes of all men that had lived since the

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<v Speaker 1>birth of time. The eighteen thirty five moon hoax was brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>Readers were duped. It became the talk of the nation,

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<v Speaker 1>was picked up all over the country, reprinted everywhere. Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>Young found it all fascinating. It has this beautiful casing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it starts with sort of, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>observing the moon, and oh. He reports that the first

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<v Speaker 1>day he sees the moon, and then he gets better

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<v Speaker 1>and better, closer and closer. It's almost sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>the heavens parting each day. According to the fake report,

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<v Speaker 1>Herschel was able to see more and more and more

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<v Speaker 1>on the Moon as he focused his lens lakes, oceans, mountains, valleys, plants,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he spies animals. The first observed was a

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<v Speaker 1>quadruped with an amazingly long neck, head like a sheep,

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<v Speaker 1>bearing two long spiral horns. White is polished ivory, almost

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<v Speaker 1>like a sheep, but not a sheep. Everything on the

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<v Speaker 1>Moon was like that, a lot like things on Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>but then not quite like things on Earth, somehow exotic.

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<v Speaker 1>It resembles the beaver of the Earth in every other

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<v Speaker 1>respect than in its destitution of a tail and its

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<v Speaker 1>invariable habit of walking upon only two feet. It carries

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<v Speaker 1>its young in its arms like a human being man

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<v Speaker 1>on the moon a beaver man. Then Herschel saw a

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<v Speaker 1>higher order of human being. We scientifically denominated them as vespaculio, homo,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, bat man bat on the moon. Finally, the

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<v Speaker 1>fake Herschel sees creatures even more amazing, whiter angelic. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>they were like human beings, for their wings had now disappeared,

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<v Speaker 1>and their attitude in walking was both erect and dignified.

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<v Speaker 1>Readers ate it up. They talked about it at dinner,

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<v Speaker 1>they gabbed about it on the way to church where

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<v Speaker 1>they really met on the moon. What was this all about?

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<v Speaker 1>But I also think there was something lurking beneath all

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<v Speaker 1>of these hoaxes. But that was slavery, and the questions

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<v Speaker 1>and schisms of slavery, I think were often made allegorical

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<v Speaker 1>through hoaxes. So how does that work exactly? Then? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it the people are seeing that they want

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<v Speaker 1>to see on the moon that tells us what they

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<v Speaker 1>believe about slavery and race? I think of the moon

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<v Speaker 1>hoax specifically, and the thing that I noticed is there's

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<v Speaker 1>a hierarchy of being there, and it makes a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sense. So you know, these people are below these people,

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<v Speaker 1>the biped beavers are this kind of person. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a real transplanting of racial hierarchies onto the moon,

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<v Speaker 1>onto these fictional creatures. And you see that in science

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<v Speaker 1>fiction still, you know, there's usually a good set of

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<v Speaker 1>aliens or a good set of people found under the earth,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a bad set. Eventually, the Sun came clean

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<v Speaker 1>and admitted that the whole thing had been a stunt.

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<v Speaker 1>The newspaper printed a half hearted apology, weirdly suggesting that

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<v Speaker 1>the whole stunt had had a useful effect in diverting

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<v Speaker 1>the public mind from the bitter apple of discord the

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<v Speaker 1>abolition of slavery. One of the great things about a

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<v Speaker 1>hoax is once it's revealed, you can tell what people

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<v Speaker 1>really believe, because they wanted to believe this so badly,

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<v Speaker 1>even it's so clearly fake. I mean, biped beavers on

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<v Speaker 1>a moon. It's pretty hard in retrospect to see as credible.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also think there was this real wish to

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<v Speaker 1>find another place somewhere far away in which you could

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<v Speaker 1>put your hopes in dreams. So it's like the cats

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<v Speaker 1>out of the bag. This hoax was about race. Young

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<v Speaker 1>isn't surprised by that cat, though, because he found that

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<v Speaker 1>same cat hidden inside quite a few bags of hoaxes.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of the hoaxes that I turned up or that

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<v Speaker 1>I vaguely knew about but learned more about. We're deeply

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<v Speaker 1>invested in these kind of ideas and deep divisions in

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<v Speaker 1>our country, and there were ways of sort of working

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<v Speaker 1>that out, however, terribly in the hoax. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that's so striking to me about the eighteen thirties

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<v Speaker 1>Moon hoax is that they're kind of on the side

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<v Speaker 1>of scientific inquiry somehow, that they're celebrations of empiricism, even

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<v Speaker 1>though he's completely bogus bunk. Is there some pivot point

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<v Speaker 1>there where like earlier hoaxes are like, look, science is real,

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<v Speaker 1>and now hoaxes they're like, look, science is a bogus.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think there's a with the hoax questions

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<v Speaker 1>of science and questions of religion or questions of truth

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<v Speaker 1>get worked out. And it's almost in times when these

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<v Speaker 1>things are uneasy that it might go one way or

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<v Speaker 1>the other. And I do think you're absolutely right that's

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<v Speaker 1>starting in the twentieth century. Early part it flips from

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm going to tell you how things are,

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<v Speaker 1>and part of the hoaxes it's authority. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>think starting in the twentieth century, it really erodes, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that fear and pain become the topics of

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<v Speaker 1>the hoax. So jump ahead to the moonshot in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine. Okay, plainly it's a story inseparable from racial

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<v Speaker 1>injustice and the question of whether we're all in this

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<v Speaker 1>together or not. You have a poem here, it's called

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<v Speaker 1>Whitey on the Moon. That's the poet in musician Gil

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Heron with his indictment of the Moon mission killing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't pay no doctor bills, but white He's on

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<v Speaker 1>the moon. Ten years from now, I'll be paying still

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<v Speaker 1>while white He's on the moon. You know, the man

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<v Speaker 1>just up my red last night because Whitey's on the moon.

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<v Speaker 1>No hot water, no toilets, no lights, But Whitey's on

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<v Speaker 1>the moon. White He headed to the Moon on July sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, the day after civil rights leader Ralph

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<v Speaker 1>Abernathy let a protest at the Kennedy launch site. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't say this moment in time isn't about whether all

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<v Speaker 1>humans are one here together, on Earth because it is

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<v Speaker 1>leaving the Earth for the Moon. Brought all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>matters into the blinding, flashing light of Apollo eleven's launch

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds san conning past NAT's report, it feels good. Team.

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<v Speaker 1>On twenty five seconds that day, three men gained escape

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<v Speaker 1>velocity and left the Earth behind. Soon out among the gods.

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<v Speaker 1>The men in that spaceship looked back at Earth. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you going to a rap rate right now? And it

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<v Speaker 1>took four days to get there, all the way to

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon. And then everyone back on Earth turned their

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<v Speaker 1>televisions on to watch in just fifty minutes from now,

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<v Speaker 1>well within the hour, the Moon is due to have

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<v Speaker 1>visitors from another planet. On the afternoon of July twentieth,

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<v Speaker 1>CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite narrated the greatest single scientific

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<v Speaker 1>expedition in the history of humanity. Apollo eleven's lunar module

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<v Speaker 1>Eagle and two of the mission's three astronauts, Neil Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>and Buzz Aldron. We were about to land on the Moon.

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<v Speaker 1>Landed rocket quin crank Quility. We caught the on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>He got a bunch of guys about the turn blue.

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<v Speaker 1>We're breathing again. Thank a lot. Man on the moon.

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<v Speaker 1>We're cutting it down, eagle, Oh boy, thank you, you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking good here. You hardly ever see Cronkite get excited.

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<v Speaker 1>The man holds it all in, but here he's like

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<v Speaker 1>a little boy, so tickled, so thrilled. The astronauts get

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<v Speaker 1>ready to go outside. It took hours, but you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to miss it, would you. Nine Armstrong opens the hatch.

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<v Speaker 1>He starts climbing down the ladder rung by rung ten

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six pm. He plants his foot on the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of the Moon. Find the fall fast for land, buy

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<v Speaker 1>a plat. In the studio, Cronkite gathered himself up for

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<v Speaker 1>his historic reaction. Malan's dream and a nation's pledge have

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<v Speaker 1>now been fulfilled. The lunar Age has begun. The lunar

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<v Speaker 1>Age had begun, but another age began that day. Something

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<v Speaker 1>else was launched. The lunar Age would undermine the very

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<v Speaker 1>institution and values at Cronkite so iconically stood for the

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<v Speaker 1>integrity and credibility of the news in the lunar Age.

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<v Speaker 1>The more extraordinary scientific research and technology got, the more

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<v Speaker 1>difficult it became to keep sight of the line between

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<v Speaker 1>fact and fiction, between the believable and the unbelievable. On

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<v Speaker 1>the first season of The Last Archive, I talked a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about the era of mystery in the Middle Ages

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<v Speaker 1>and how it gave rise to the age of the

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<v Speaker 1>fact and then the age of the number, but also

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<v Speaker 1>how with the development of the main frame computer in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen forties and nineteen fifties, mystery returned in the

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<v Speaker 1>form of data, because data is a kind of knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>that can only be really reckoned with by computers, not

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<v Speaker 1>by people on their own. But consider other forces of history.

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<v Speaker 1>In the middle decades of the twentieth century, beginning with

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<v Speaker 1>Sputnik in nineteen fifty seven, or even really beginning with

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<v Speaker 1>the dropping of the atom bombs in nineteen forty five,

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<v Speaker 1>science got so powerful that it could do things well

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<v Speaker 1>beyond what nearly everyone except a handful of scientists could know,

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<v Speaker 1>or experience or understand. The more extraordinary the scientific accomplishments,

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<v Speaker 1>the harder it became to believe. The news missiles that

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<v Speaker 1>could annihilate the population of the entire planet in an instant,

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<v Speaker 1>men going to the moon. Eventually it became kind of commonplace,

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<v Speaker 1>a little sheek, a little George Orwell meets Marshall mcluin

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<v Speaker 1>to wonder whether all the news was fake. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight, the BBC broadcast a play called The News Benders.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd like you to help Plan the News for nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three. In the play, an acclaimed director goes to

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<v Speaker 1>meet with a corporate bigwig. The big wig wants to

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<v Speaker 1>hire him to fake a bunch of film footage that

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<v Speaker 1>will air in the future as news come again. Plan

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<v Speaker 1>the news by nineteen seventy three. You didn't really believe

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<v Speaker 1>there were all these things whizzing about up there? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you spot nicks on rockets? Astronauts crossing their legs? For

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<v Speaker 1>eighty day? How long has this been going on since Hiroshima?

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<v Speaker 1>In the studio, there's a toy sized model of a

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<v Speaker 1>lunar lander sitting on a table covered with sand. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>this play was produced in nineteen sixty eight, a year

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<v Speaker 1>before the Apollo eleven Moon mission. The filmmaker picks up

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<v Speaker 1>the model as he listens to an early cut of

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<v Speaker 1>the news. They've created Fake news for a day five

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<v Speaker 1>years in the future today. April fourteen, nineteen seventy three.

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<v Speaker 1>First Historic Pictures by rad Star of the combined US

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<v Speaker 1>Russian landing on the move. Shown here are Major's Webb

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<v Speaker 1>and Mikhailovitch taking their first steps into the unknown. The

0:24:38.476 --> 0:24:44.716
<v Speaker 1>Nine Way Hotline finally triage it off. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen in nineteen seventy three. You're going to

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<v Speaker 1>make this happen. No, we are going to make models

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<v Speaker 1>much cheaper than we photographed the models. Fake newsrooms, a

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<v Speaker 1>fake newsmends, whoa dude? The news beenders was mind bending,

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<v Speaker 1>a thought experiment, but it also got to the heart

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<v Speaker 1>of a real problem. The actual news had gotten very

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to believe. Adam bombs rockets to the Moon news

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<v Speaker 1>in the actual year in nineteen seventy three was way

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<v Speaker 1>more dreary than the newsbender's plan for a fake landing

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<v Speaker 1>on the Moon. There weren't even any more Apollo missions

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<v Speaker 1>to report. Those ended in nineteen seventy two. Instead, TV

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<v Speaker 1>viewers flocked to something else on the dial, something different,

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<v Speaker 1>the Watergate hearings, which revealed that Richard Nixon had lied

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<v Speaker 1>and lied, and so had a whole lot of his advisers.

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't believe anything anymore. But if you didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to watch Watergate, you could still speculate about space space

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<v Speaker 1>an endless tapestry of stars reaching to its infinity, scattered

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<v Speaker 1>through its fastness, or one hundred billion planets on which

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<v Speaker 1>life theoretically could exist. Yes, that is the sultry voice

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<v Speaker 1>of Rod Serling. He probably knew him from twice Zone

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<v Speaker 1>show he started in nineteen fifty nine. The Twilight Zone

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<v Speaker 1>is where fact turns to fiction, history turns to mystery,

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<v Speaker 1>and mystery becomes conspiracy. In nineteen seventy three, Stirling hosted

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<v Speaker 1>a documentary called In Search of Ancient Astronauts. If only

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<v Speaker 1>one percent of that life is intelligent, there could be

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<v Speaker 1>one million civilizations out there. Listen carefully to that voice,

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<v Speaker 1>not even so much what he's saying, but how he's

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<v Speaker 1>saying it. It's the voice of the news anchor, the authority.

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<v Speaker 1>It's as if he's hypnotizing you into trusting him, and

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<v Speaker 1>of that million, it is conceivable at one discover the

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<v Speaker 1>secrets of space travel. It is possible that ancient astronauts

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<v Speaker 1>went in search of life beyond their own world and

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<v Speaker 1>found it on the planet Earth. Why all this new

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<v Speaker 1>spookiness just after men landed on the Moon. Here's what

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<v Speaker 1>I think everyone can see the Moon, every last human

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<v Speaker 1>being on Earth. It's ours, all of ours. It holds

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<v Speaker 1>out a certain hope for unity, but then the moon

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<v Speaker 1>holds out a certain mirror of division. Some have got

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<v Speaker 1>and some have not. White, black, brown man, bat, beaverman, angels,

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<v Speaker 1>weighty on the moon. But there's something else too, something

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<v Speaker 1>that really slays me. I think people like to have

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<v Speaker 1>things around that are mind boggling, but then just out

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<v Speaker 1>of reach. Conquering the moon deprived people of the Moon

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<v Speaker 1>as a mind boggler. That one huge mystery was solved.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no white haired god up there in the sky.

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<v Speaker 1>There was instead a giant, dusty rock. This intense change,

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<v Speaker 1>I think got all balled together into a specifically nineteen

0:27:56.196 --> 0:28:00.916
<v Speaker 1>seventies fetish for unsolved mysteries, because well, okay, the moon

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<v Speaker 1>is a rock, but maybe there were still other mysteries.

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<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot omni magazine and the news stand spoon bending Urigeller

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<v Speaker 1>on TV. And there was a weird snakeding its tail

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<v Speaker 1>theory that ancient spacemen had visited the Earth thousands and

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of years ago, and maybe they and not Adam

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<v Speaker 1>and Eve, were our ancestors, or maybe they were the

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<v Speaker 1>source of our beliefs about God. If we accept the

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<v Speaker 1>premise that beings from another civilization visited here ages ago,

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<v Speaker 1>then some of the mysteries of our past take on

0:28:34.516 --> 0:28:40.236
<v Speaker 1>a new and startling light. I confess I love this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Ancient aliens came to Earth and built the pyramids. Okay, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe that. I think it's crazy, but I

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<v Speaker 1>love the hypnotic, fake mysteriousness of it, all, the junkie science,

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<v Speaker 1>the completely preposterous historical analysis. If ancient astronauts did land here,

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<v Speaker 1>what effect would they have had upon early Earthmen? Perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>they were worshiped, feared, loved, Perhaps they brought gifts, a

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<v Speaker 1>new world of not This stuff was all over the

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<v Speaker 1>place in the Spooky Kookie late nineteen sixties. In early

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies, Still in Search of was also interested in

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<v Speaker 1>actual science. Doctor Carl Sagan is one of the directors

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<v Speaker 1>of the Mariner mission exploring Mars, and he has a

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<v Speaker 1>special interest in the possibilities of intelligent life in the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>At the very end, in just the final seconds of

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<v Speaker 1>this long documentary, Serling introduced a very young Carl Sagan.

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<v Speaker 1>This is seven years before Sagan became famous for his

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<v Speaker 1>masterful series on PBS cause rous the question arises, might

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<v Speaker 1>there have been a visit to the Earth in historical times.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a kind of scientific justification of theological belief which

0:29:57.716 --> 0:30:01.716
<v Speaker 1>people would rather believe in any case, it's kind of

0:30:02.436 --> 0:30:05.796
<v Speaker 1>modern dress for old time religion. I can only say

0:30:06.916 --> 0:30:10.596
<v Speaker 1>that you can't exclude the possible, but there's not a

0:30:10.676 --> 0:30:15.556
<v Speaker 1>smidget of evidence that is compelling. Sagan nailed it believing

0:30:15.596 --> 0:30:18.956
<v Speaker 1>in ancient astronauts or extraterrestrials. It was like believing in

0:30:19.036 --> 0:30:23.516
<v Speaker 1>God's God's in a godless world magic. After the Great

0:30:23.556 --> 0:30:27.756
<v Speaker 1>Disenchantment in the US, In Search Of became a TV series.

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<v Speaker 1>But the show's thesis wasn't everything is a hoax. The

0:30:31.396 --> 0:30:34.556
<v Speaker 1>show's thesis was everything you thought was a hoax is real.

0:30:35.276 --> 0:30:40.316
<v Speaker 1>The lockness monster, esp governments and scientists have just been

0:30:40.356 --> 0:30:43.716
<v Speaker 1>concealing from you all the evidence, hiding it, locking it

0:30:43.796 --> 0:30:46.676
<v Speaker 1>up in government archives. Nothing was a hoax. It's just

0:30:46.876 --> 0:30:49.796
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of things were hidden by conspiracies. Rod

0:30:49.796 --> 0:30:51.836
<v Speaker 1>Serling had died and so the producers of In Search

0:30:51.916 --> 0:30:55.556
<v Speaker 1>Of instead hired Leonard Nimoy from Star Trek to host

0:30:55.596 --> 0:30:59.716
<v Speaker 1>the series. There are episodes about Amelia Earhart and Bigfoot,

0:31:00.316 --> 0:31:09.116
<v Speaker 1>and of course UFOs. Sometimes they come in silence, sometimes

0:31:09.196 --> 0:31:13.676
<v Speaker 1>quiet thunder. Often they leave marks in the earth signals

0:31:13.676 --> 0:31:24.356
<v Speaker 1>and they're passing. I watched In Search Of as a

0:31:24.436 --> 0:31:26.956
<v Speaker 1>kid with my mom. I have zero data on whether

0:31:26.996 --> 0:31:29.796
<v Speaker 1>fans of the show believed in Bigfoot or the Lockness Monster.

0:31:30.076 --> 0:31:32.196
<v Speaker 1>I can only report that my mother and I did not,

0:31:32.396 --> 0:31:34.356
<v Speaker 1>and that was the fun of it. It was like

0:31:34.436 --> 0:31:37.556
<v Speaker 1>believing but also not at all believing in the Tooth Fairy.

0:31:39.276 --> 0:31:41.276
<v Speaker 1>But now that I've grown up to be a historian,

0:31:41.596 --> 0:31:43.516
<v Speaker 1>I want to know what was the meaning of this

0:31:43.636 --> 0:31:48.316
<v Speaker 1>rage for goofy unsolved mysteries in the nineteen seventies. In

0:31:48.316 --> 0:31:49.796
<v Speaker 1>one way, I think of In Search Of as an

0:31:49.876 --> 0:31:53.116
<v Speaker 1>update of Ripley's Believe it or not. Ripley had called

0:31:53.156 --> 0:31:57.956
<v Speaker 1>his stuff curiodities, But somehow what started out as curiodities

0:31:58.596 --> 0:32:02.036
<v Speaker 1>became conspiracies because at the same time that my mom

0:32:02.036 --> 0:32:04.356
<v Speaker 1>and I were watching In Search Of, a lot of

0:32:04.396 --> 0:32:08.276
<v Speaker 1>other people started arguing and believing that the Apollo will

0:32:08.276 --> 0:32:12.076
<v Speaker 1>even mission never happened, that we'd never landed on the Moon,

0:32:12.716 --> 0:32:15.796
<v Speaker 1>that the whole thing had been covered up by a

0:32:15.876 --> 0:32:30.396
<v Speaker 1>vast conspiracy. Good afternoon. This is May Brussel in Carminal, California.

0:32:30.476 --> 0:32:34.276
<v Speaker 1>It's September the nineteenth, nineteen seventy seven. I jotted down

0:32:34.756 --> 0:32:37.436
<v Speaker 1>dialogue conspiracy number two hundred and eighty six, but I

0:32:37.436 --> 0:32:39.996
<v Speaker 1>think it's two hundred and eighty seven. I keep track

0:32:40.076 --> 0:32:42.356
<v Speaker 1>each week, but I forgot to write down. I believe

0:32:42.356 --> 0:32:46.356
<v Speaker 1>it's number two hundred eighty seven. May Brussel. She came

0:32:46.396 --> 0:32:49.636
<v Speaker 1>to be known as the Queen of Conspiracy. At the

0:32:49.636 --> 0:32:52.396
<v Speaker 1>time of this broadcast, she was fifty five years old.

0:32:52.876 --> 0:32:57.236
<v Speaker 1>She'd once studied at Stanford, mother of five, housewife. After

0:32:57.356 --> 0:33:00.596
<v Speaker 1>Kennedy was shot, she became convinced that the government was

0:33:00.676 --> 0:33:04.476
<v Speaker 1>hiding a vast conspiracy. The more she looked into it,

0:33:04.596 --> 0:33:07.516
<v Speaker 1>the bigger that conspiracy became. These people in the wall

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<v Speaker 1>of secrecy, the news media being silent, and the pats

0:33:11.196 --> 0:33:14.636
<v Speaker 1>he's locked up in, the psychological profiles, and the writings

0:33:14.676 --> 0:33:18.036
<v Speaker 1>on the wall or the diaries, the incriminating evidence or

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<v Speaker 1>the source of weapons for all his assassinations or conspiracies

0:33:21.956 --> 0:33:25.636
<v Speaker 1>will eventually be traced back to the same sources, which

0:33:25.756 --> 0:33:29.756
<v Speaker 1>is the intelligence community in this country. She launched her

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<v Speaker 1>radio show in nineteen seventy one from KLRBFM, a community

0:33:34.276 --> 0:33:37.276
<v Speaker 1>radio station. Then came Watergate, which made a lot of

0:33:37.316 --> 0:33:42.156
<v Speaker 1>cockamami theories about secret government conspiracies look suddenly plausible. Her

0:33:42.196 --> 0:33:45.116
<v Speaker 1>audience grew. She sent out mail ordered cassettes of her

0:33:45.156 --> 0:33:49.116
<v Speaker 1>show to people far away. She called her fans Brussels sprouts.

0:33:50.236 --> 0:33:53.196
<v Speaker 1>Don't become a Brussels sprout. I know it would be

0:33:53.236 --> 0:33:56.556
<v Speaker 1>so easy if the deep state were running everything. You

0:33:56.556 --> 0:33:58.996
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have to think about anything. You could just always

0:33:59.036 --> 0:34:02.276
<v Speaker 1>blame the deep state. But that's not how history works.

0:34:02.636 --> 0:34:05.756
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk about a book today that I've

0:34:05.756 --> 0:34:07.956
<v Speaker 1>had a while called We Never Went to the Moon

0:34:08.556 --> 0:34:12.036
<v Speaker 1>by build Casing and Randy read. It's called America's thirty

0:34:12.036 --> 0:34:16.116
<v Speaker 1>Billion dollars Swindle. It's a fascinating book. We Never Went

0:34:16.156 --> 0:34:18.876
<v Speaker 1>to the Moon is a seventy eight page self published

0:34:18.916 --> 0:34:23.116
<v Speaker 1>piece of nonsense. May Brussel incorporated its central theory that

0:34:23.276 --> 0:34:26.316
<v Speaker 1>NASA faked all the Apollo missions into all of her

0:34:26.316 --> 0:34:30.116
<v Speaker 1>other theories and these other zombies that have been controlled

0:34:30.116 --> 0:34:33.996
<v Speaker 1>by hypnosis and government drugs, and will also go into

0:34:33.996 --> 0:34:37.116
<v Speaker 1>the possibility that the astronauts were controlled by the government

0:34:37.716 --> 0:34:42.556
<v Speaker 1>psychological department. Brussel was a researcher. Old school conspiracy theorists

0:34:42.636 --> 0:34:46.116
<v Speaker 1>are meticulous about research, and she saw her work as

0:34:46.156 --> 0:34:49.756
<v Speaker 1>giving her listeners a body of previously hidden evidence. She'd

0:34:49.756 --> 0:34:54.196
<v Speaker 1>read newspaper stories out loud, always providing citations. I'm just

0:34:54.356 --> 0:34:57.076
<v Speaker 1>here sharing the evidence. This sort of person always says,

0:34:57.316 --> 0:35:01.236
<v Speaker 1>you decide believe it or not. You are feeling very sleepy.

0:35:01.636 --> 0:35:04.556
<v Speaker 1>Herzog that has been described in The New York Times

0:35:05.036 --> 0:35:08.236
<v Speaker 1>September the eleventh, nineteen seventy seven. If you want to

0:35:08.236 --> 0:35:11.796
<v Speaker 1>go the library in it, radio can work as a

0:35:11.796 --> 0:35:15.396
<v Speaker 1>loudspeaker in amplifier. Reading something obscure out loud on the

0:35:15.476 --> 0:35:18.916
<v Speaker 1>radio gives it a new audience. In this broadcast from

0:35:19.036 --> 0:35:22.996
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy seven, Russell mainly read long passages of Bill

0:35:23.076 --> 0:35:27.676
<v Speaker 1>Casing's moon lending conspiracy theory book out loud. Hardly anyone

0:35:27.716 --> 0:35:30.916
<v Speaker 1>had read Casing's book or even heard of it. Russell

0:35:31.236 --> 0:35:33.916
<v Speaker 1>helped to break it out, but she also tried to

0:35:33.916 --> 0:35:37.636
<v Speaker 1>set it in a much bigger context. Now, the Moonshot

0:35:37.636 --> 0:35:43.316
<v Speaker 1>took place in July of nineteen sixty nine, that great moonshot,

0:35:43.836 --> 0:35:46.556
<v Speaker 1>and many of you may remember, or you may not remember,

0:35:47.036 --> 0:35:49.756
<v Speaker 1>that that was the night that Ted Kennedy had the

0:35:49.796 --> 0:35:53.196
<v Speaker 1>accident in chapter critic. Now, if you can accept some

0:35:53.356 --> 0:35:55.036
<v Speaker 1>of the facts in this book that I'm going to

0:35:55.076 --> 0:35:57.476
<v Speaker 1>be shared with you, you have to have a view

0:35:57.516 --> 0:36:00.276
<v Speaker 1>of history, an overall view of what was happening in

0:36:00.396 --> 0:36:05.636
<v Speaker 1>July nineteen sixty nine. This was by way of introducing

0:36:05.676 --> 0:36:08.836
<v Speaker 1>one of her favorite theories, which involved a conspiracy led

0:36:08.916 --> 0:36:13.196
<v Speaker 1>by the military industrial complex to get Richard Nixon elected president,

0:36:13.556 --> 0:36:16.076
<v Speaker 1>which required getting out of the way all of the

0:36:16.156 --> 0:36:19.636
<v Speaker 1>Kennedy brothers, first Jack, then Bobby, then Teddy at chap

0:36:19.636 --> 0:36:22.836
<v Speaker 1>aquittic somehow. Honestly, don't even ask me. This thing is

0:36:22.876 --> 0:36:27.916
<v Speaker 1>so convoluted. Getting Nixon elected president also entailed faking the

0:36:27.956 --> 0:36:31.996
<v Speaker 1>moon landing. Why were all transmitters easily faked? Why was

0:36:32.036 --> 0:36:35.036
<v Speaker 1>there nothing to see other than the launch? Is there

0:36:35.076 --> 0:36:39.036
<v Speaker 1>any real assurance that the astronauts were aboard the Apollo?

0:36:39.556 --> 0:36:42.636
<v Speaker 1>Is there any proof that they really flew a full

0:36:42.876 --> 0:36:45.436
<v Speaker 1>load of fuel? And he goes into the statistics of

0:36:45.516 --> 0:36:47.556
<v Speaker 1>the fuel. She went on and on and on. It

0:36:47.636 --> 0:36:52.076
<v Speaker 1>was all leading ominously somewhere. Then came the whopper, the

0:36:52.156 --> 0:36:56.036
<v Speaker 1>simulated moon landing. It's very complicated, but it starts with

0:36:56.156 --> 0:36:59.396
<v Speaker 1>Stanley Kubrick. He made a film everyone Knows two thousand

0:36:59.436 --> 0:37:02.716
<v Speaker 1>and one, a Space Odyssey. It was released in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight. The filming took two and a half years.

0:37:06.116 --> 0:37:08.796
<v Speaker 1>The original budget was six million, and then they patted

0:37:08.836 --> 0:37:11.676
<v Speaker 1>it with another four and a half million, a ten

0:37:11.716 --> 0:37:14.196
<v Speaker 1>and a a half million budget. There were two hundred and

0:37:14.196 --> 0:37:17.676
<v Speaker 1>five special effects shots, and then he said, they went

0:37:17.716 --> 0:37:23.596
<v Speaker 1>into the university's, the industrial seventy industrial and aerospace corporations, universities, observatories,

0:37:23.676 --> 0:37:28.076
<v Speaker 1>weather bureaus, laboratories, institutions to ensure that the film would

0:37:28.076 --> 0:37:33.316
<v Speaker 1>be technically accurate. Brussels conspiracy theory has it that Kubrick

0:37:33.396 --> 0:37:35.916
<v Speaker 1>made the film two thousand and one to cover up

0:37:35.956 --> 0:37:40.316
<v Speaker 1>another film that was being made in Nevada for NASA,

0:37:40.436 --> 0:37:42.636
<v Speaker 1>which was footage of a landing on the Moon that

0:37:42.716 --> 0:37:49.036
<v Speaker 1>never happened, faked news newsbender style, and the Apollo Space

0:37:49.116 --> 0:37:52.116
<v Speaker 1>program could use the two thousand and one as a cover.

0:37:52.876 --> 0:37:56.676
<v Speaker 1>He claims that that movie in nineteen sixty eight prepared

0:37:56.836 --> 0:38:01.116
<v Speaker 1>the American people for the film version of space exploration

0:38:01.196 --> 0:38:05.156
<v Speaker 1>that would take place in nineteen sixty nine. I see

0:38:05.156 --> 0:38:08.196
<v Speaker 1>why people are attracted to conspiracy theories. I get it.

0:38:08.676 --> 0:38:11.996
<v Speaker 1>Cornel alogy is important. I love lining up a bunch

0:38:11.996 --> 0:38:15.076
<v Speaker 1>of random news stories on a timeline, tacking them up

0:38:15.076 --> 0:38:17.796
<v Speaker 1>to a wall with pushkins, and looking for a pattern.

0:38:18.596 --> 0:38:21.036
<v Speaker 1>That actually is how historians work, at least it's how

0:38:21.076 --> 0:38:25.316
<v Speaker 1>I work. We collect evidence, organize it chronologically, and look

0:38:25.356 --> 0:38:28.476
<v Speaker 1>for patterns. For instance, if you've been listening to this

0:38:28.516 --> 0:38:32.316
<v Speaker 1>episode carefully, and if you've seen Kubrick's nineteen sixty eight

0:38:32.316 --> 0:38:35.116
<v Speaker 1>film two thousand and one, you might have noticed this

0:38:35.316 --> 0:38:39.516
<v Speaker 1>seemingly uncanny coincidence. Two thousand and one is a story

0:38:39.516 --> 0:38:42.396
<v Speaker 1>about how ancient astronauts came to Earth millennia ago and

0:38:42.556 --> 0:38:46.756
<v Speaker 1>left things behind like a big black monolith. It tells

0:38:46.836 --> 0:38:51.556
<v Speaker 1>the same story as in Search of Ancient Astronauts. That's

0:38:51.556 --> 0:38:56.156
<v Speaker 1>not a conspiracy though, that's just a popular idea. So

0:38:56.356 --> 0:38:59.836
<v Speaker 1>I asked the Brussels sprouts. Is there evidence that NASA,

0:38:59.876 --> 0:39:04.076
<v Speaker 1>aided by Stanley Kubrick, faked the Moon landing? No? None,

0:39:04.516 --> 0:39:07.476
<v Speaker 1>But is there evidence that Americans became really vulnerable to

0:39:07.556 --> 0:39:12.036
<v Speaker 1>conspiratorial thinking? And then I seventies Yes, there's a lot

0:39:12.076 --> 0:39:16.396
<v Speaker 1>of it. Here are some pieces of evidence. I might

0:39:16.436 --> 0:39:20.276
<v Speaker 1>tack him my wall with pushpins first. In addition of

0:39:20.356 --> 0:39:23.076
<v Speaker 1>time magazine in nineteen sixty six with a dark cover

0:39:23.196 --> 0:39:27.276
<v Speaker 1>that asked, is God dead? The nineteen sixties where a

0:39:27.276 --> 0:39:31.276
<v Speaker 1>decade of rising secularism. People were looking for other explanations

0:39:31.316 --> 0:39:34.636
<v Speaker 1>for why bad things happened. Second thing on my Wall

0:39:34.876 --> 0:39:37.556
<v Speaker 1>a New York Times front page from nineteen seventy one,

0:39:37.876 --> 0:39:40.116
<v Speaker 1>when the paper announced that it was publishing a leaked

0:39:40.116 --> 0:39:43.596
<v Speaker 1>report later known as the Pentagon Papers, a report they

0:39:43.676 --> 0:39:45.916
<v Speaker 1>revealed that the US government had been lying to the

0:39:45.916 --> 0:39:49.436
<v Speaker 1>public about what was going on in Vietnam. God was

0:39:49.556 --> 0:39:53.836
<v Speaker 1>dead and the government was lying to Third I'd pin

0:39:53.956 --> 0:39:56.716
<v Speaker 1>up news stories about how Americans learned that the FBI

0:39:56.836 --> 0:40:00.276
<v Speaker 1>had been conducting secret, illegal surveillance on civil rights leaders

0:40:00.476 --> 0:40:05.476
<v Speaker 1>and other activists in infiltrating their organizations. For instance, the

0:40:05.556 --> 0:40:08.716
<v Speaker 1>FBI had spied on Ralph Abernathy, the civil rights leader

0:40:08.716 --> 0:40:11.396
<v Speaker 1>who the protest at Cape Canaveral the day before the

0:40:11.436 --> 0:40:17.356
<v Speaker 1>launch of Apollo eleven. We has a civilized nation have failed.

0:40:17.996 --> 0:40:20.556
<v Speaker 1>Last thing I'd pin up on my wall the long

0:40:20.596 --> 0:40:23.036
<v Speaker 1>burning coverage of the Watergate break in and all the

0:40:23.116 --> 0:40:26.636
<v Speaker 1>lies on the part of the Nixon administration. No wonder

0:40:26.676 --> 0:40:29.676
<v Speaker 1>Americans in the nineteen seventies had a tendency to submit

0:40:29.756 --> 0:40:33.916
<v Speaker 1>to conspiratorial thinking. Oh no, wait, I've got one last

0:40:33.916 --> 0:40:37.156
<v Speaker 1>piece of evidence to pinto my wall. In the nineteen seventies,

0:40:37.356 --> 0:40:41.876
<v Speaker 1>Hollywood made a gazillion movies about vast government conspiracies, including

0:40:41.876 --> 0:40:49.036
<v Speaker 1>one about a faked space mission. Capricorn One, hit theaters

0:40:49.076 --> 0:40:52.556
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy eight. Good Morning, Ladies and gentlemen. At

0:40:52.556 --> 0:40:55.756
<v Speaker 1>the present time, all systems are go, all lights are green.

0:40:56.556 --> 0:40:59.156
<v Speaker 1>Capricorn One is like a movie version of Bill Casing's

0:40:59.156 --> 0:41:02.356
<v Speaker 1>book We Never Went to the Moon. The film's advertising

0:41:02.396 --> 0:41:05.996
<v Speaker 1>campaign featured the line would you be shocked to find

0:41:05.996 --> 0:41:08.556
<v Speaker 1>out that the greatest moment of our recent history may

0:41:08.596 --> 0:41:11.836
<v Speaker 1>not have happened at all? In the movie, NASA fake

0:41:11.876 --> 0:41:14.756
<v Speaker 1>submission to Mars by sending an empty rocket off into

0:41:14.756 --> 0:41:18.836
<v Speaker 1>space and filming a Mars landing in an abandoned military

0:41:18.836 --> 0:41:23.716
<v Speaker 1>facility that's been converted into a movie studio. I do

0:41:23.916 --> 0:41:27.076
<v Speaker 1>really think you're going to get away with us? Well,

0:41:27.076 --> 0:41:29.476
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's a chance. Maybe it's not a

0:41:29.596 --> 0:41:33.236
<v Speaker 1>very good one. It's a chance. That's the Hollywood version

0:41:33.276 --> 0:41:36.196
<v Speaker 1>of We Never Went to the Moon, the for profit

0:41:36.316 --> 0:41:40.436
<v Speaker 1>version of May Brussel True Believer. But then how does

0:41:40.476 --> 0:41:42.916
<v Speaker 1>the stuff break out and into the real world? To

0:41:42.956 --> 0:41:46.396
<v Speaker 1>the twenty first century and modern conspiracy theories, the nine

0:41:46.436 --> 0:41:49.596
<v Speaker 1>to eleven Truthers, the Birthers, the Q and honors. You

0:41:49.676 --> 0:41:52.396
<v Speaker 1>really need only to stop and pause at the strange

0:41:52.396 --> 0:41:57.716
<v Speaker 1>and unsettling Quebrickian year of two thousand and one. The

0:41:57.756 --> 0:42:02.156
<v Speaker 1>following program deals with a controversial subject. The theories expressed

0:42:02.196 --> 0:42:06.396
<v Speaker 1>are not the only possible interpretation. Viewers are invited to

0:42:06.436 --> 0:42:12.516
<v Speaker 1>make a judgment based on all available information. This is

0:42:12.556 --> 0:42:15.156
<v Speaker 1>from a Fox special from two thousand and one called

0:42:15.676 --> 0:42:19.436
<v Speaker 1>Conspiracy Theory, Did We Land on the Moon? I think

0:42:19.476 --> 0:42:21.356
<v Speaker 1>of it as a missing link that gets us from

0:42:21.356 --> 0:42:23.956
<v Speaker 1>stuff like May Brussel and a radio show to the

0:42:23.996 --> 0:42:28.476
<v Speaker 1>mainstreaming of conspiracy theories. Unlike in Search of his episode

0:42:28.516 --> 0:42:32.356
<v Speaker 1>about ancient astronauts, it offered no substantial equivalent to a

0:42:32.436 --> 0:42:36.556
<v Speaker 1>Carl Sagan. Instead, a NASA spokesman appears on screen every

0:42:36.596 --> 0:42:38.996
<v Speaker 1>now and again, attempting to make clear that these claims

0:42:38.996 --> 0:42:42.996
<v Speaker 1>are just baseless nonsense, but Fox quickly pivots back to

0:42:42.996 --> 0:42:46.956
<v Speaker 1>sell the conspiracy theory for ratings. There are those who

0:42:47.036 --> 0:42:51.396
<v Speaker 1>claim that believing in Man's one small step requires one

0:42:51.436 --> 0:42:57.236
<v Speaker 1>giant leap of faith. Bill Casing was an analyst and

0:42:57.396 --> 0:43:01.516
<v Speaker 1>engineer at Rocket Dyne. No, he wasn't an analyst and

0:43:01.556 --> 0:43:06.636
<v Speaker 1>an engineer. Casing was a technical writer. In the footage

0:43:06.636 --> 0:43:10.836
<v Speaker 1>of the stage going up, what you don't see is

0:43:10.996 --> 0:43:14.636
<v Speaker 1>an exhaust plume coming out of a rocket engine nozzle.

0:43:17.596 --> 0:43:23.276
<v Speaker 1>A ride ride. So in February of two thousand and one,

0:43:23.676 --> 0:43:27.716
<v Speaker 1>Fox was broadcasting news bindery stuff like that, suggesting huge

0:43:27.716 --> 0:43:31.676
<v Speaker 1>events of the past. We're maybe not real that September,

0:43:32.036 --> 0:43:35.636
<v Speaker 1>a terrifying event took place in the present. Terrorists flew

0:43:35.716 --> 0:43:38.356
<v Speaker 1>airplanes into the twin towers of the World Trade Center,

0:43:38.436 --> 0:43:42.836
<v Speaker 1>New York. And this time someone was ready right away

0:43:43.356 --> 0:43:46.156
<v Speaker 1>to call it a hoax, even while it was happening,

0:43:46.796 --> 0:43:49.876
<v Speaker 1>Even as firefighters and police and rescue workers were trying

0:43:49.876 --> 0:43:53.676
<v Speaker 1>to find survivors in the flames and the rubble. Alex Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>the made Brussel of the twenty first century, was on

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<v Speaker 1>the air saying the whole thing was fake. Well, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been warning you about it for at least five years.

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<v Speaker 1>All terrorism that we've looked at, from the World Trade

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<v Speaker 1>Center of Oklahoma City to Waco has been government actions.

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<v Speaker 1>They need this as a pretext to bring you and

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<v Speaker 1>your family martial law. We've come a long way from

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<v Speaker 1>the hypnotists of the nineteen fifties, but listen to the

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<v Speaker 1>way this guy is trying to hypnotize you, to relieve

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<v Speaker 1>you of the obligation of thinking anything through of analyzing

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence, by offering instead a species of historical explanation

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<v Speaker 1>that the world is even more terrible than it appears,

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<v Speaker 1>and that only Alex Jones can make sense of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you the bottom line, ninety eight percent chance

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<v Speaker 1>this was a government orchestrated control bombing. I've been telling

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<v Speaker 1>you this was going to happen just two weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I put the caller the moon landing the old New

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<v Speaker 1>York Sun in search of the twilight zone capricorn. One.

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<v Speaker 1>May Brussel do all these bits and pieces I've got

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<v Speaker 1>here in the last archive line up together to form

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<v Speaker 1>a conspiracy, a conspiracy to turn Americans into conspiracy theorists. No,

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<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't a conspiracy. It was just the of

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<v Speaker 1>history and of politics, the expression the exertion of power.

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<v Speaker 1>Conspiracy theorists and historians do have a lot in common,

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<v Speaker 1>but somewhere we diverge. Historians believe history is driven by ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>by economic forces, by technological change, and even by biological

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<v Speaker 1>and environmental factors. Historical evidence for this kind of change

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<v Speaker 1>over time, it's everywhere. Conspiracy theorists believe that the course

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<v Speaker 1>of history is driven by terrifying higher powers that control

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<v Speaker 1>everything and then conceal the traces of that control by

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<v Speaker 1>hiding the historical evidence. The conspiracy theorist always believes in

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<v Speaker 1>an unseen reality. The historian always believes in reality, hiding

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<v Speaker 1>in plain sight, in the actual evidence of the historical record.

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<v Speaker 1>This is apollow control. At one hundred forty eight hours,

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<v Speaker 1>seven minutes and about twenty four seconds from now, the

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<v Speaker 1>spacecraft will pass the imaginary line enter the Earth sphere

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<v Speaker 1>of influence. Ban By for remark leaving the lender of influence.

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<v Speaker 1>Men flew to the Moon in nineteen sixty nine and

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<v Speaker 1>then they fell to Earth? Or did they next time?

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<v Speaker 1>On the Last Archive, how Americans never really left that

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<v Speaker 1>lunar sphere of influence. The Last Archive is written and

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