WEBVTT - Janette Kotichas Meets World

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<v Speaker 1>UM, I know I I don't normally talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that I have another podcast on I Heart which

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<v Speaker 1>is called I Hear Voices christ to Carlson. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing something super cool that's launching right when this episode

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna air. So I just want two seconds to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it because it's really neat. UM will give you. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, all right, moving on to other appreciations, other things,

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<v Speaker 1>onto literary distance. UM. Yes, so uh. We talked to

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<v Speaker 1>all the greatest voice over actors in the country. We

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<v Speaker 1>love it. I love animation so much. But our number

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<v Speaker 1>one goal when we met up with I Heart and

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<v Speaker 1>I Heart was like, let's go do it is we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do an American Idol style contest. We're blanketing

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<v Speaker 1>the country with a contest call all the super awesome

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<v Speaker 1>contests become the next big voice actor. And so it

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<v Speaker 1>is open for everybody over the age of eighteen who's

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<v Speaker 1>a US resident. We are getting everyone who can be

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<v Speaker 1>involved to enter. We are going to find a colleague,

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<v Speaker 1>and the prizes are ridiculous. So I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>what do people have to do, like send in a

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<v Speaker 1>two minute clip that's either video or audio. You send

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<v Speaker 1>it to I hear voices at I Heart radio dot

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<v Speaker 1>com between January nine and February nine, and you could

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<v Speaker 1>do whatever you want your own voices ad reads. If

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<v Speaker 1>you think you've got the good you know in a

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<v Speaker 1>world like whatever kind of voice you can do, do

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<v Speaker 1>that and the prizes are insane. First you get flown

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<v Speaker 1>out to Los Angeles where you have lunch with Christie

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<v Speaker 1>and I. You get a thousand dollar spending money. But

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<v Speaker 1>if that's not cool enough, which it isn't obviously, at

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<v Speaker 1>that lunch, you also meet with your new agent, because

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<v Speaker 1>you are signing with my voiceover agency C E. S

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<v Speaker 1>Day for a year. Like you get a break, you

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<v Speaker 1>get a big break. And then I called my friends

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<v Speaker 1>a Critical Role, which is, you know, obviously a huge

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<v Speaker 1>juggernaut around the world. And you are also getting a

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<v Speaker 1>private session with Emmy Award winning director Sam Regal who's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the cast members of Critical Role, and Emmy

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<v Speaker 1>Award winning UH Emmy nominated Mary McGlenn, who's the director

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<v Speaker 1>of their new show box Makina. It's really cool. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a ton of fun. If you think you can

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<v Speaker 1>do voices, you've grown up watching cartoons, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>try it. This is really an opportunity. I mean, any

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<v Speaker 1>time I tell an actor you win an actual agent,

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, you've got to be KIDDI makes it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the hardest things to do in this one of

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest things. It's it's such a hard world to

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<v Speaker 1>break into, um, you know, mostly because it's so competitive.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people think they can do this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's a heart it's such a difficult art form,

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<v Speaker 1>and but it's it's so fun too, you know, It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's difficult, but it's so fun. And when you watch

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<v Speaker 1>cartoons or you listen to stuff, you're always like, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I could do cool voices, you know, like everybody

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<v Speaker 1>kind of has that. Not everybody, but I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people have that in the back of their mind,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is fun. That's so enter because we're picking

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen people and then you're gonna go head to head

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<v Speaker 1>against each other until we get down to the final

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<v Speaker 1>two where we have a big show and then the

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<v Speaker 1>final the finalist you're picked, you win, flown out to

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<v Speaker 1>l a, the cut, the agent, the whole thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're super excited. I hear voices at i heart radio

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com between January nine and February nine, US residents

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<v Speaker 1>over the age of eighteen. We can't wait. That is

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<v Speaker 1>my selfish plug. If you know anybody who's like at

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<v Speaker 1>your bank, your uncle, your aunt, anybody who's like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>they do funny voices, tell them to enter. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a ton of fun. That's it. I'm done with

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<v Speaker 1>what I have to say? Can we move on to

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<v Speaker 1>something more amazing? Daniel? Yeah, I I have something I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to confess. So for the last like at

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<v Speaker 1>least several weeks, people have been hitting me up about

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<v Speaker 1>this very important topic and I'm being tagged in it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I I've like not wanted to say anything about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's recently come to like such ahead that I

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<v Speaker 1>just I can't avoid it anymore. And so I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to say that I do, in fact love cush lings,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just cush lings are amazing. They have fun

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<v Speaker 1>to have pizza parties with, They are fun to go

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<v Speaker 1>roller bleeding with. You can eat birthday cake with goush lings.

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<v Speaker 1>And they bounce. Can you bounces? Sure you can? Why not? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>You can? Some of them are just possibly get framed

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<v Speaker 1>portraits of my cush lings and put them on the

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<v Speaker 1>wall in my bedroom. You could, you could, you could

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<v Speaker 1>go swiggles n swiggles around my portraits of Mike. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure I trust you, Danielle. You you're a little

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<v Speaker 1>thing with the truth. Is there any proof that you're

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<v Speaker 1>right there? Right? You know what? Eastern Roll the proof? Wow, Danielle,

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<v Speaker 1>you really loves Yeah, Jodia, they're cool. Guess what. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's wild Times. Wait cool, they're's are the same stuff

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<v Speaker 1>we are? Yeah, Larissa, let's roll. Hey, he's ticklish, party down, Peter,

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<v Speaker 1>Time for some ease wild skateboarding. Tug didn't really want

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<v Speaker 1>a wild time. You want wild time, Suisling Wild Times.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea this thing existed, and you somehow

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<v Speaker 1>came up on our private chat thread. I think Will

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<v Speaker 1>found it and Alexa Bliss just being wrestler. Alexa Bliss

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<v Speaker 1>had it up on her Instagram, and I just got

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<v Speaker 1>all I know is that I thought, because Danielle and

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<v Speaker 1>I did a inline skating, I have grinders in line,

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<v Speaker 1>so do I. I thought that was the most ninetiest

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<v Speaker 1>thing ever. But this takes the cake, just unbelievable. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it so much and had no idea you

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<v Speaker 1>did this and then I had no idea Jodi and Larissa,

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<v Speaker 1>like what Jodi, Jody Sweeten is in it with me

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<v Speaker 1>and Larissa Olank and and filming this commercial was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the like, honestly one of the funniest days of

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<v Speaker 1>my life, because I remember when the offer for the

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<v Speaker 1>commercial came through. It was like, hey, we're getting you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're hoping to get Danielle, Jody Sweeten and Larissa Olank

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<v Speaker 1>together for this wild Time cuch Ling's commercial and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, here's whatever the money was. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even think I really knew what a wild

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<v Speaker 1>times kouch Ling was. It was just like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>call me crazy, but you know, thirteen years older. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think my hair is cut. I'm I'm sixteen and

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<v Speaker 1>that my hair is cut. So I remember getting the

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<v Speaker 1>offer and and being in solely on the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>Jodi and Larissa were in it with me, and being like, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds great. We'll go have a day where we'll

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<v Speaker 1>shoot a commercial for this product I'm in and and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get a storyboard beforehand, didn't get anything, just showing

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<v Speaker 1>up on the day, and I remember vividly Jody on

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<v Speaker 1>one side of me, and Larissa on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of me, and the director walking us through the storyboard

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<v Speaker 1>for the commercial and being like, what what the koush

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<v Speaker 1>lings skateboard down at the skateboard, and and the and

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<v Speaker 1>the dialogue Danye, you're really into Kouchlings, and being like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, and and all of us being like

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<v Speaker 1>U huh, and then the three of us walking off

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<v Speaker 1>the stage and just dying laughing like what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 1>This is gonna be a nightmare, And and it was

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<v Speaker 1>just for the rest of the day. We couldn't stop laughing.

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<v Speaker 1>We laughed so hard. I have memories of people paying

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<v Speaker 1>their pants and I have been told explicitly that that

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<v Speaker 1>did not happen, so it must just be like in

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<v Speaker 1>my head it happened. I'm sorry, So somebody their pants,

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<v Speaker 1>is what you're saying, because they were laughing so hard. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>because we laughed so hard. Well, what for one thing

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<v Speaker 1>for sure that happened. Oh my god, I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to Larissa too. We need to have Jody

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<v Speaker 1>onto um. I know for sure what happened is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the times we were jokingly making fun of what

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<v Speaker 1>we were doing. Jody did a high kick in the

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<v Speaker 1>like white pants she was wearing, and she was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>like couch langs and kicked her kicked her leg up

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<v Speaker 1>by and her pants ripped, fully ripped, I mean just

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody heard it. And she put her leg down

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<v Speaker 1>and she was like, you need to go change my pants.

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<v Speaker 1>Um god, So hold on. I just love that you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>So you guys were because the realities, you're just too

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<v Speaker 1>old to be commercial for like six year olds, ten

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<v Speaker 1>year olds, and you were teenagers, okay, so you were

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<v Speaker 1>feeling this sort of like oh, this is just the

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<v Speaker 1>weirdest thing we're going to be a part of. But

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<v Speaker 1>you turned that, Like I see, if I had been

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<v Speaker 1>in that situation, I would have like cried and like

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<v Speaker 1>gone to my dressing room and like maybe tried to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of the job. Just why I didn't do commerce,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I never did commercial site was so terrified of

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<v Speaker 1>that situation. The fact that you guys were able to

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<v Speaker 1>spin it into like let's just have fun and laugh

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<v Speaker 1>is so awesome and admirable and like you so much

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<v Speaker 1>healthier because like, who gives a crap, Like you just

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<v Speaker 1>do this, you get paid. The people that want couch

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<v Speaker 1>lens are gonna love it, and no one else was

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<v Speaker 1>going to notice until thirty years later when it's on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet, when it's going viral on the internet and

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<v Speaker 1>people are tagging you in it. Yeah. No, I mean honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>had I been doing the commercial alone, I probably would

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<v Speaker 1>have had the reaction that you're talking about. Writer. I

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<v Speaker 1>would have felt like, this is a career ender. Why

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<v Speaker 1>did I yes? Because I did other projects like that

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<v Speaker 1>where I was like what am I doing? How did

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<v Speaker 1>I get here? Um? And this commercial I think because

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<v Speaker 1>Jodi and Larissa were there and we were like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>all three of us can't like we've all agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>do this. We're all in the same boat, like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>just have fun. We had true, I mean we had

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<v Speaker 1>a blast. It was all. It was just one of

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<v Speaker 1>those days where you're like, well, we're here and they

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<v Speaker 1>paid us, and this is what we agreed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just do it. Can I ask an important question

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd like to say, yes, I still have the

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<v Speaker 1>couch links? No? No, yeah, exactly, UM, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>it needs to be asked and get the bleep button

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<v Speaker 1>ready because it needs to be asked this way. What

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<v Speaker 1>the is akusch Ln What you remember balls? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember couch balls? There were, but yeah, those are those.

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<v Speaker 1>There were couchh balls with they're like rubber, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hairy thing like don't they're like basically the rubber like

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<v Speaker 1>a like a shredded rubber band, so shred rubber band

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<v Speaker 1>with colors. And they became very popular like throw and

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<v Speaker 1>toss or I don't know, but yeah, that's all they

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<v Speaker 1>could do. And so it seems like the next evolution

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<v Speaker 1>was to put a face and legs in our where

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<v Speaker 1>they do things now, like you saw the one that

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<v Speaker 1>had the was on a skateboard and so it rolled down. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a couche link, I said, of just a couchh ball,

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<v Speaker 1>it's perfection. I not speaking for rider, but I watched

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<v Speaker 1>it fifty times in a few times, and like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>when I when I noticed that there was framed cush

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<v Speaker 1>ling photos Danny his bedroom wall, like portraits of couse

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<v Speaker 1>Lan's and then not as if that wasn't enough, they

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<v Speaker 1>had added animation squiggles around them like perfection spinning camera

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<v Speaker 1>with you guys lying on the ground that the spinning

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<v Speaker 1>camera had me every time like looking up like awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the best. But I mean, I know that

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<v Speaker 1>feeling because I remember, you know, we used to do

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<v Speaker 1>t J. I have promos and stuff on the set

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<v Speaker 1>constantly where somebody would show up and be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>guess here's what we're gonna do. It would always be

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<v Speaker 1>some over energetic director if it was poor job. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure it was awful to have to like come on

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<v Speaker 1>and tell all these young actors to like stay energetic

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<v Speaker 1>and promote this thing. And we would be under contract

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<v Speaker 1>to have to do it, and we would be miserable

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<v Speaker 1>and like that feeling of just like one of them

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<v Speaker 1>all the time with the jump he jump, Remember that's

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<v Speaker 1>want to jump, but want to jump. Because every time

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<v Speaker 1>we get a photo shoot for Boy Meets World, every season,

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<v Speaker 1>we would have to do a new photo shoot, multiple

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<v Speaker 1>photo shoots, I feel like, but they wanted new, fick

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of us that because we've gotten older or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and inevitably they would hand us a globe, either in

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<v Speaker 1>inflatable globe, a giant globe would be leaning on a globe,

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<v Speaker 1>so there are so many globe photos it's always and

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<v Speaker 1>then Ben and I would always have to do a

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<v Speaker 1>back to back photo at some point you know, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my arm on bench on ben shoulder. I always had

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<v Speaker 1>you next. I was the older and you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>would go through these different photographers every year, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>they would be amazing and nice, and then other times

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<v Speaker 1>they would be very condescending and not know how to

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<v Speaker 1>work with children or just bizarre. And there was one

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<v Speaker 1>season where some guy I just remember he didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what he was doing in the I think he had

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<v Speaker 1>a New York accident. At least he has in my if.

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<v Speaker 1>We and and we we were joking around, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>basically mocking the entire process that we were in. And

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<v Speaker 1>we were like, what if we all jumped in the

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<v Speaker 1>air and like high five, thinking it was the cheesiest

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<v Speaker 1>thing ever. And this guy overheard us and was like, oh, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the kids want to jump, all right, the kids are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna jump, everybody, the kids are gonna jump. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we ended up doing it like he took us completely

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<v Speaker 1>at phase value. So for years afterwards, we were just

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<v Speaker 1>always the kids wanted up quick, quick, figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>we can make the kids jump. This is also exactly

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<v Speaker 1>why that commercial is. It proves why every craft service

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<v Speaker 1>table was just full of candy and soda because they

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<v Speaker 1>try to pump you up on sugar and then get

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<v Speaker 1>you out there. Come on, be be energetic. Oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>that was so that was it was just marvelous, Daniel,

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<v Speaker 1>it was marvelous. You're welcome. Thank you for letting me

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<v Speaker 1>make this admission. I feel much better, So document for

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<v Speaker 1>the ages, so good. Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Fishel, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilfred ll Hi. Christy. Hey, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I have some unbelievable news. Oh there's a Kim Possible

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<v Speaker 1>Rounstoppable reunion in the works. No, no, no, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be great, but no, I have other big news. We

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<v Speaker 1>just launched the Super Awesome Contest to become the next

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<v Speaker 1>Big Voice Actor. That's right. We want to give an

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<v Speaker 1>amateur voice actor an opportunity to win a one year

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<v Speaker 1>are amazing. I've been with them for over twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not all. A trip to l A to

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<v Speaker 1>how do people enter the Super Awesome Contest to become

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<v Speaker 1>that's me. Yea. We know that Michael and a different

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<v Speaker 1>Bass on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast or

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you listen to podcasts. So today's guest is another

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<v Speaker 1>example of us just going out there and becoming amateur

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<v Speaker 1>sleuths to track someone down because her her name is

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<v Speaker 1>a name that came up twice during our season one

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<v Speaker 1>recaps and we really wanted to know more about her.

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<v Speaker 1>Um In addition to writing two of our standout favorites

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<v Speaker 1>from the first season, Boys to Mensa and the show

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<v Speaker 1>We shot Last it wasn't the actual finale, but the

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<v Speaker 1>finale we shot last of Boy Meets a Girl, she

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<v Speaker 1>also wrote episodes of Webster, Living Single and an episode

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<v Speaker 1>of For Your Love In, but she did not return

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<v Speaker 1>to Boy Meets World for season two, and because her

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<v Speaker 1>episodes are so beloved and really good, we wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>hear from her. So please welcome to the show. Jeannette

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<v Speaker 1>could teach us. Hi. Hi guys, Hi, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys look so grand so you and you're not

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<v Speaker 1>in your pajamas at all. You wonderful. Thanks you too.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys haven't changed a bit, well except thirty years. Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for agreeing to do this. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know when we to you. When I reached out

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<v Speaker 1>to you on Instagram? Did you have any sort of

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<v Speaker 1>hesitation about coming on the pod? Absolutely, I'm usually behind

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<v Speaker 1>the cameras, um the writer. At one time I did

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<v Speaker 1>a show and we all showed all the writers showed

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<v Speaker 1>up as monks with like hoods on. But that was

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<v Speaker 1>the closest I came to be writing. Well, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for being here, and I'd love to start with you

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<v Speaker 1>in the same place we start with with everyone we

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<v Speaker 1>have on I would like to know your origin story.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we even get to your origin story on

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<v Speaker 1>boy Meat's World, I want to talk to you about, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>where did your love for writing come from? And how

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<v Speaker 1>did you end up writing in Hollywood? Tell us your story. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see. Well, I came across my first play and

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<v Speaker 1>I had written it when I was fourteen. UM, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's so cute because I do these little pictures and everything. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I grew up and went through school in college,

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<v Speaker 1>I found that, UM, I could write my way out

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<v Speaker 1>of a brown bag. Like if the three question was

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<v Speaker 1>you know what what happened in the Civil War, I

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<v Speaker 1>would take the word the and just extrapolate on it,

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<v Speaker 1>getting an A in the in the class. So UM

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<v Speaker 1>television came about really coincidentally and synchronicity. I think what

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted to do was right for the Rolling

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<v Speaker 1>Stone because I was a rocker when I was younger. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted to do that. But UM, I ended

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<v Speaker 1>up writing a countdown radio show. I don't think they

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<v Speaker 1>have those anymore, but you UM do the top forty

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<v Speaker 1>hits exactly, exactly exactly. And UM I wrote that with

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<v Speaker 1>my best friend. She was producing this show. It went

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<v Speaker 1>out to a hundred and sixty four radio stations across

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. Um not Chicago, not New York or

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, said Francisco. But you know maybe Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>when didn't monsec got canceled, and my best friend and

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<v Speaker 1>I went over to Lucy's l Adobe across the street

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<v Speaker 1>from Yes, and we sat there and we're like, we're

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<v Speaker 1>in the entertainment industry. Now got canceled it. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>then I was temping all over the place and she

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<v Speaker 1>had referred me to a TV show that, wait for it,

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<v Speaker 1>April Kelly was producing. Okay, there's my foray into television. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>which show? Remember it was a pilot and it was

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<v Speaker 1>it might have been an hour of trivial Pursuit. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you remember that game? Of course you'll of course, so

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<v Speaker 1>that game, they did it in a studio and they

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<v Speaker 1>had like three or four stars who were from that

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<v Speaker 1>time period who were sitting in a couch while playing

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<v Speaker 1>the game. But then they would do all these cameos.

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<v Speaker 1>So we would go out on these cameos shoots. So

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<v Speaker 1>we had William Shatner and we had Betty White and

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<v Speaker 1>different people, and they would ask a question and then

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<v Speaker 1>we would like being William Shatner onto the stage and

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<v Speaker 1>then he would answer the Star Trek question. She has

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<v Speaker 1>been the funniest person I've ever met. Yeah, we really

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<v Speaker 1>connected because we both were pretty um rabby. I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. We were we dropped a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>f bombs and just you know, we're making our way

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<v Speaker 1>through as women, and uh. I ended up hooking up

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<v Speaker 1>with her for a couple other gigs. I ended up

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<v Speaker 1>on Webster Great, Great Show Yet and it was the

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<v Speaker 1>last season and another I was a writer's assistant and

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<v Speaker 1>I was working with another prediction secretary and she and

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<v Speaker 1>I just used to hang out at lunch and come

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<v Speaker 1>up with story ideas. So we came up with a

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<v Speaker 1>story idea for Webster, and we knew if we ever

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<v Speaker 1>got to pitch it, we would have to make it work.

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<v Speaker 1>So one night, April's leaving and and she's collecting all

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<v Speaker 1>the story ideas. They were like four or five episodes

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<v Speaker 1>needed for the syndication deal. And she's like, nobody's coming

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<v Speaker 1>up with ideas, and Tina goes, let have a Jeanette

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<v Speaker 1>and I have an idea, and April goes, I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll hear it. And she gave us a pitch meeting

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<v Speaker 1>and let us pitch it. And she asked all these questions,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course we knew we had one shot, so

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<v Speaker 1>we had figured out every single beat, and so we

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<v Speaker 1>nailed it and we got it and then the network

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<v Speaker 1>lie did better than the than some of the others,

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<v Speaker 1>so they bumped ours up into first run and put

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<v Speaker 1>someone else's story into the syndication. Wow. And so were

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<v Speaker 1>you like freaking out at this time, like you had

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<v Speaker 1>just been writing for radio and now you meet April

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly and she's giving you a shot, and you've prepared

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<v Speaker 1>and you kill it? Are you now just like, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, I'm a TV writer? No? I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I am this is not happening. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to believe it until it actually happens industry right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the contract comes out and I'm like And

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<v Speaker 1>so April took us along with Judy p Oli. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you know her, but she was with

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<v Speaker 1>the Fons Happy Days. She was one of Fonzie's chicks.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Wait she she was. Was she leather

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<v Speaker 1>Pinky Tusky Darrow? That's what it was. Okay, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I thought she. I think she's Leather Tusca Darrow. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So um. Judy Peeley and April Kelly were both producers

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<v Speaker 1>on Webster, and they took Tina and me out to

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<v Speaker 1>dinner at the Palm. Oh nice. That was pretty exciting,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we had to write the script, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a whole another thing. So you form this relationship with April,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'm assuming you just continue to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>go with her from show to show until you get

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<v Speaker 1>to boy Meets World and ye, and so how did

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<v Speaker 1>that come about? How did what did she talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you about Boy Meets World? Tell us about that conversation

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<v Speaker 1>where then you ended up joining boy Meat's World. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see. So I remember we went out to dinner

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<v Speaker 1>at Iroha, which is a Japanese do you yes, Danielle

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<v Speaker 1>knows restaurants like I know TV exactly. You talk to

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<v Speaker 1>me about food. I'm there, We're sitting in a rohan.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes, Okay, we're not going to get all excited yet,

0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Like we're both like that, And she said, um, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I pitched an idea to Disney and I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're gonna go with it. They're gonna pare me

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<v Speaker 1>up with this other producer and if it does, of

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<v Speaker 1>course you're coming with me. And um, I'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to pitch stories. We were We've all been

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.840
<v Speaker 1>told the same story about somebody was, you know, Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Savage was sitting on a desk with with Michael Jacobs,

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<v Speaker 1>and Michael knew instantly that we're going to do a

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<v Speaker 1>show together. And here's the show I've come up with.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the story we've been told from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>This is I'll be honest with you, You writer, Daniel,

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<v Speaker 1>You guys might have heard of this. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>first time I heard that it was really April that

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<v Speaker 1>went in and pitched Boyan's world. I hadn't heard that before.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the first we've heard that. But um, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>that it all makes sense. Obviously, we've had other writers

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<v Speaker 1>on the show who have come on, and we had

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:02.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of gathered the impression that in that first season

0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.880
<v Speaker 1>it was really like a very divided room where there

0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 1>was like the Michael camp and the April camp. Is

0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:15.120
<v Speaker 1>that a fair assessment? Absolutely? The mean girls and then

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 1>April and her two or three and so who else

0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 1>was there on the April side besides you. I was

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:24.919
<v Speaker 1>trying to think of that now. It was definitely ken Kuda.

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:27.200
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, we've heard that ken Kuda was

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 1>was was a good friend of April's as well, and

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.680
<v Speaker 1>still a laugh that we remember to this day. Ken

0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Kuda's laugh was intoxicating and it was the one you

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.879
<v Speaker 1>could hear during runthrough like you knew you'd hit a

0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>joke when you heard ken Kuda go, it was great.

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 1>He is another one man. He is just a really

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:49.639
<v Speaker 1>good writer. April Um. He was April's assistant at the

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 1>very beginning of his career and she became his mentor.

0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I think April loves to mentor because I came in

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 1>on Webster with Tina and she mentored us. We wrote

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.480
<v Speaker 1>a couple we were We ended up writing three scripts

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:11.280
<v Speaker 1>as um partners. What is Tina's last name? Wong Tina?

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Tina and I wrote her three shows for TEENA, three

0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:19.639
<v Speaker 1>different scripts for April and got them produced. It was

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:21.639
<v Speaker 1>a show that nobody heard of. It was called Santa

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Zabella and yes, Ken was on it as a writer,

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:28.919
<v Speaker 1>and Um, we just always had a lot of fun. Um.

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 1>They're both hysterical. April is an amazingly generous human. I

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>should just be her pr person. That's so grateful to

0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:42.399
<v Speaker 1>her because I did go on Um Sanchezabell Air with

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 1>her and then when Boy Meets World came up, Like

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 1>I said, we talked about it and um, yeah, and

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 1>then when it came about we came in, April was allowed,

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:58.400
<v Speaker 1>not allowed, but April was given the opportunity to bring

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>a couple of writers in. Tricia Forrester. She was another

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:04.120
<v Speaker 1>woman that was there in season one was Patricia Forrester.

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Someone else that came with April Kelly. No, I don't

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:11.640
<v Speaker 1>think so, okay, maybe I mean was there she would

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 1>like find writers, like yeah, one of one of the

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:21.400
<v Speaker 1>producers that you guys interviewed said, April found this writer,

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Bill Lawrence and was trying to you know, that's the

0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:32.959
<v Speaker 1>little writer guy. Yeah, yeah, poor Bill exactly. Everyone has

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>what it takes to make it in the business. Didn't

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 1>get his shot on Boy Meats World. Poor guy, well

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 1>did he? I thought he had one show? He did,

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>he did. We heard that he wrote an episode, turned

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.200
<v Speaker 1>it in and he wasn't allowed to be in the

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 1>writer's room. So his episode was picked apart and completely

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 1>rewritten by the writer's room. And then when it actually

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 1>got to tape night, he didn't recognize that it was

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 1>even his script because there wasn't even one you know,

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 1>last day thing that had stuck around. Just a hack

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>that guy. So what were your experiences during that first

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 1>season in the writer's room. Um. Yeah, it was definitely divisive.

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Only I didn't think. I mean, I didn't realize that

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>going into it. I didn't know it was going to

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:25.159
<v Speaker 1>be that divided. Um, but it really was. There was

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of snarkiness on the other side. Um,

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:33.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's okay. I mean, you know, obviously I didn't

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:36.159
<v Speaker 1>know that they had gotten this story that April was

0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 1>this monster. April, it's an amazing human being and so generous.

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I want to counteract that, because you know,

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the head mean Girl had a huge overall deal at Disney.

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 1>And here's an example, like our p s would come

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 1>in around four or five I think, and get ready

0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 1>for the evening because it was back in the day

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>where they were delivering a lot of scripts and they

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 1>had to copy all the scripts or at the very

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 1>least they had to go pick them up from the

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 1>copy or so they were up rather late into the night,

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 1>and the mean Girl wouldn't buy them dinner. April just

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>pulls out her heart and says, give us to the

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 1>kids and let them order dinner. So she has a

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>generous heart, and she really saw something in us and

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 1>made it possible that if I came on the show

0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 1>as a writer's assistant or at the time, was a

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 1>script coordinator on Boie Meat's World, then she would give

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 1>us a chance, like she gave me a shot to pitch.

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>So again, I knew I had one shot, and I

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 1>went in with six stories and she loved four of them,

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:51.239
<v Speaker 1>and they ended up choosing to Wow. Yeah, those are

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 1>two of the best of the first season. Frankly, so

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about. I mean, they really were two of

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 1>the most well received. The ones we liked the best.

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean we you know Rider had Again I've said

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 1>this before that Rider just found out he was on

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Boy Meets World like a week ago. Um, so he

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 1>hasn't seen the shows ever, and Danielle and I haven't

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>seen him since they were on. And I mean that

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 1>first season is now thirty years ago, so watching it

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>again it was watching a brand new show for all

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 1>three of us. And collectively, your two episodes were two

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 1>of our favorites. I mean they just and the ones

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 1>that I do remember actually like it's so funny, especially

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, Boy Meets Girl was just like indelible. Um.

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, Boys to Mensa too. It's like they were

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.200
<v Speaker 1>both like the ones that the second we started watching

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 1>was like, well I think I remember these lines actually

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 1>this story. Yeah, yeah, they were very important in the

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 1>first in the in the overall building of the first season.

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, especially boy meets Girl you go back to

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>you know what that started? It was, you know, it

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>created the show. I mean it really did. It helped.

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>It helped to push the show in the direction it

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to go. And that's why it was I

0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 1>think Danielle who was like, where the hell is this woman?

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Where we gotta go find her? What? These are easily

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>two of the best episodes and the fact that then

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>we lost your voice going into season two just felt

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 1>so painful to think about. So it's to you guys,

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 1>really sweet. Where did the ideas for those episodes come from?

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 1>And then I also want to know, do you remember

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 1>the two other ideas that April loved that I searched

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 1>my house for those. I want to know all six

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>of them. But it was back when I don't know.

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I I was just doing my job, do you know

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:36.560
<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Like I was in the writer's room

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 1>all day and then I would go home and I

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 1>would never want to just disappoint April like I had to.

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 1>I wrote spec scripts that she read and gave me

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 1>notes on to get agents and stuff like that, and

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>I just never wanted to make her look bad or

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>disappoint her on that show. I mean, it was finally

0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 1>really her baby, And so I it on my off hours,

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 1>just sit in the room, come up with stuff talking

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 1>about boy Meets Girl and what a fantastic memory an

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.320
<v Speaker 1>episode that is for for us when we when we

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>watched it, did you like I'm trying to I'm trying

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 1>to get to It wasn't until I think it's you know,

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>significantly later in the show, maybe even season three, that

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 1>to Panga and Corey actually become a couple like we

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>were we're you know, we've just started season two and

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 1>Corey already is kind of starting to date somebody new, Wendy. Um.

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>He does ask to Panga out, but to Panka says, no,

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>they can't really, they're not going to go through life together. Uh.

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 1>And so did you on like, was there a thing

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 1>in the writer's room about let's do an episode where

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Corey gets feelings for a girl and let's set it

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 1>up where it's going to be to Panga was Topanga

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>and Corey gonna be long game no matter what by

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>that time? Or was that kind of an original idea

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 1>you had, And I wouldn't say it's an original idea.

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 1>I would say that it was a logical step for

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 1>the progession of the show. I mean, the Sean character

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>was a little older or a more mature, and so

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 1>it just seemed logical that he was going to get

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 1>the girls and first, and he was gonna he was

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 1>going to take this more mature stance, and Corey wanted

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 1>to wanted to keep up right. I mean, he's like,

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna I'm gonna ask a

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 1>girl out. And then he asks to pay out, which again,

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, you guys were the core of the show.

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>And he's gonna ask to paying it out and then

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 1>he flips, He's like, what the heck did I do? There?

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Really wasn't ready. Um No, I didn't see the long term.

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't. Once we weren't on the show. It was painful,

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 1>pinful to watch. I personially think boy Meet's world could

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 1>have gone ten years if they had slowed the role

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. Like I remember when they were taping

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 1>my episode. Michael was pitching to the director to say

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 1>like kind of have her, you know, walk up to

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>him and you know, turn his collar and I'm like,

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:19.839
<v Speaker 1>you mean more like more flirtatiously saltry set okay and um,

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>and we all kind of cringe. Do you remember we

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.759
<v Speaker 1>would be in the back of the stage in a

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.359
<v Speaker 1>room and we would be pitching. I think we were

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>the I think it wasn't the main girls. I think

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>it was just April and maybe like check Mannell in

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:41.319
<v Speaker 1>my opinion was it was so nice. He is one

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>of the nicest people. Yes, for the For the record,

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I would like to say that the experience that you

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 1>all had in the writer's room was very different than

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>the experience we had with the writers. There are most

0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:58.719
<v Speaker 1>are not all the writers I can think of. We're

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>super sweet to me, I will speak just for me,

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:03.479
<v Speaker 1>very nice to me. We always got the best side

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>of everybody. That's why we're so interested in capturing these

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 1>stories because we were really insulated from everything going on there.

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:13.760
<v Speaker 1>So Jeff Minnell, Jeff Sherman, all of the ken Kuda,

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:16.279
<v Speaker 1>all the people from the first season, second season and on.

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:19.359
<v Speaker 1>We always had a great relationship with the writers. They

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:23.359
<v Speaker 1>were always wonderful people to us, April everybody, So that's

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 1>why hearing a lot of these stories at first was

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 1>so jarring. And then we're kind of getting into it

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:32.280
<v Speaker 1>because whoever it was, whether it was April, I'm guessing

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 1>with her instincts it was more April than anyone else,

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.839
<v Speaker 1>but who knows. Um, somebody was protecting us from seeing

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 1>any of this happen. So were the minnell Sherman, all

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:45.839
<v Speaker 1>the people we've had on They're all wonderful people to us.

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 1>We're still close friends with a lot of them. Um.

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 1>So the experiences that you went through are very different

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 1>than the experiences that we went through, which is why

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 1>we're so interested to see the other side of it,

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:56.279
<v Speaker 1>because as kids, we didn't get any of that. Yeah

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 1>we didn't. We didn't know what the what was going

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 1>on in the room. Um, and I do think, yeah,

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 1>we were very well protected from it, which is what

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>probably what you guys wanted. You didn't want your adult

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>um issues coming onto the set with kids, which is

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.360
<v Speaker 1>the responsible thing to do. So it's only now that

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 1>we're going I wonder what was going on for them,

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:20.800
<v Speaker 1>But your instincts are correct. Jeff Minnell is one of

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 1>the nicest people you'll ever meet in your life. He's

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>a wonderful man. So yeah, he's a great guy. And

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 1>April looked him and he would come sit in the

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 1>room like there was there were two rooms essentially, right,

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 1>and so even on set it was separated really that much.

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 1>There were two rooms. That's how the two camps were.

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Not the whole time, right, but a lot, you know,

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>there were two like two separate rooms. Certainly by the

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>time we got to Boy Meets Girl, which was the

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 1>last episode of the season, so definitely by the end

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>of the season there had been enough divisiveness that there

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:57.399
<v Speaker 1>were now two rooms. But keep in mind, everybody would

0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:00.800
<v Speaker 1>come together in the room to do like final pitches

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:04.800
<v Speaker 1>and you know, make it funnier. But a lot of times,

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, the other team was we don't I don't

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 1>know what they were doing, but we would all come

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 1>together in the room. When I turned in one of

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 1>my drafts, he in April met me in Michael's office

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 1>and um, Michael had notes. Well, they were going to

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 1>give me notes on my script, and Michael just like goes.

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:31.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know what to say. I don't know,

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, and he throws my script across the

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>room and goes, this is a piece of blank like

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:42.719
<v Speaker 1>that is right, And I'm sitting there like what And

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 1>April says, Okay, Michael, it's cool, Like let's just sit

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 1>down and go through the script and give Jeanette notes.

0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Let's fix it, because you know, he's all like like

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:01.879
<v Speaker 1>he was kind of nervous, a nervous energy, and he's

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 1>just like I don't even know what to say, you know,

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 1>and he April looked at me and she goes, I'm devastated.

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>And she goes, Janet, go back to your desk. I

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 1>will work with Michael and I'll get you notes. He said, okay,

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and I left the room. And so she was even

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>protecting you. Absolutely, oh, absolutely absolutely. He was just a

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:31.880
<v Speaker 1>dramatic energy, you know. So anyway, yeah, I there. So

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:34.400
<v Speaker 1>there were times everybody was in the room and Michael

0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>as well. They were definitely different. I mean, April was

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 1>really a calm force, and we talked about stories or

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>we you know, punched up with script or whatever we did. Hi,

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm Christine Taylor and I'm David Lasher. David and I

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>started in a little show in the nineties called Hey Dude,

0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and now we're teaming up once again. The host of

0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 1>a new I Heart podcast, Hey Dude the Nineties called

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>do you remember the motor rolla flip phone? Do you

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 1>remember going to Blockbuster? Do you remember Nintendo sixty four?

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember getting frosted tips? Was that a serial? No?

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Its hair? Do you remember a O L instant Messenger

0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and the dial up sound like Poltergeist? Do you remember

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:22.400
<v Speaker 1>when we dated? Okay, save that for the podcast. We're

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 1>going to use Hey Dude as our jumping off point,

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 1>but we are going to unpack and dive back into

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the decade of the nineties. We lived it, and now

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:32.279
<v Speaker 1>we're calling on all of our friends to come back

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 1>and relive it. Each episode will rival the feeling of

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 1>taking out the cartridge from your game boy, blowing on it,

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:40.359
<v Speaker 1>and popping it back in as we take you back

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 1>to the nineties. So listen to Hey Dude the Nineties

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:46.840
<v Speaker 1>called on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>wherever you listen to podcasts. Did you have any memory

0:39:57.040 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 1>of of April tell and not to not to tell

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 1>April story, but do you have any memory of April

0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:04.959
<v Speaker 1>telling you that she wasn't coming back to the show.

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.479
<v Speaker 1>This story breaks my heart. So April had a really

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:13.360
<v Speaker 1>handsome boyfriend and that two of them were going to

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 1>after this long year and a half. Because remember there

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.959
<v Speaker 1>was the pilot that they were working, and I worked

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 1>on the pilot with Michael and and um April in

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:27.759
<v Speaker 1>the sense of only of course typing it. I was, yeah,

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have anything to do with the writing on

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.840
<v Speaker 1>the pilot, but I was brought in to get it

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 1>ready and just need the writer's assistanners on it and

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:40.240
<v Speaker 1>do that thing. So anyway, at the end of the season,

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Um Mike Um, after a year of working, April was

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>ready to take a vacation with her lovely boyfriend and

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 1>she set up to go to France. She'd always wanted

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 1>to go to France or go back with her boyfriend.

0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 1>And I go, April, I just don't feel good about this.

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 1>She goes, Jeanette, I've given Michael the list of writers

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:03.800
<v Speaker 1>and you and Kennor on it. You're gonna get finally

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:07.279
<v Speaker 1>like I been with April ten years. And she's like,

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:09.799
<v Speaker 1>You're finally going to get your bump up to staff writer.

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:14.479
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, like, well, you don't believe it until

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the contract comes over, and I'm like, I just wish

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 1>you weren't going to France. I wish you'd wait to

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the contracts. No, no, this is all worked out. Michael

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 1>has agreed to it. Your names are on the list

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:28.840
<v Speaker 1>on his desk, and I said, okay, And you've got

0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 1>to believe April because she knows her stuff. I mean absolutely,

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 1>So she goes away and I'm probably cleaning up for

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:41.400
<v Speaker 1>the season, like getting all the first dress and everything

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.040
<v Speaker 1>in order, getting all the files in order, doing all

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 1>the computer stuff, whatever put to We got let go,

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 1>and we're not on the show. And I sent April

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>a telegram in France to her hotel saying we've been cut,

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure her agent did too. We just got cut.

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 1>You and April, you mean and Cancuta. So we were

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>cut and that's it, just that simple. That's simple, man.

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 1>We weren't broke back, so essentially anybody team April was gone. Correct. Wow, brutal.

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I hate to keep harping on this, but I just

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:26.799
<v Speaker 1>I keep trying to picture it because it's, um, it's

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.719
<v Speaker 1>so sad to me. But you you were cleaning up,

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:33.399
<v Speaker 1>getting the season one scripts in order. And then who

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 1>actually came to you to say, pack up your stuff

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 1>and don't come back. I don't remember very well. Could

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:44.800
<v Speaker 1>have been Michael, It could have been I don't know.

0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. All I remember was sending April a telegram.

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:53.279
<v Speaker 1>It was traumatic for me. It was I loved the

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 1>show and I liked what we were doing with it.

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>We were taking it slow. What how old are you

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 1>in Bend at the time, ten or twelve? Yeah, So

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:04.799
<v Speaker 1>what's news to me is that I guess in my mind,

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I always thought April left. Yeah, I always thought that

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 1>she was fed up with the show and left, you know,

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 1>because of the politics and whatnot. I didn't realize that

0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 1>it was actually a a move that had been made,

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:22.360
<v Speaker 1>uh you know, putting you know. I mean, I'm assuming

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 1>that that means that there was a decision made at

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:27.319
<v Speaker 1>the network level or Michael just suddenly got more power

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 1>than he had before and was able to, you know,

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 1>take over the show. That's so interesting. I never knew that.

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh it's my opinion, and from kind of looking at

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 1>his past shows that it's sort of a have it

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 1>just like takes over the show. And as I said,

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I think when I Meets World could have gone ten

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:54.399
<v Speaker 1>years easily if if that, you know, ten eleven year

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 1>old sweetness twelve got to carry on and play through

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:04.239
<v Speaker 1>a little longer and have kid issues rather having been

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 1>hiding in cause it's wanting to kiss girls and stuff.

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:09.840
<v Speaker 1>But that's so funny because that's sort of our experience

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.399
<v Speaker 1>right now watching the second season, which you know, I've

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 1>never seen, and we're sort of like, oh, like I

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:16.840
<v Speaker 1>think Danielle said, you know, I want the warm, comfy

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:19.759
<v Speaker 1>blanket of season one, and I feel the same way.

0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 1>And it's it's jarring. It seems like the show just

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:27.120
<v Speaker 1>went from you know, a kids show, a very sweet

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:32.040
<v Speaker 1>family show, to something you know, very teenage and adolescent quickly. Um.

0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 1>And then I heard a great I heard a great

0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 1>saying that so encapsulates what we've been talking about. It's perfect,

0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, see. And I watched that show alone, and

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:43.799
<v Speaker 1>all of the contestants talk about right when they're first

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:46.800
<v Speaker 1>put into the wilderness by themselves, they call it drop shock,

0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:50.720
<v Speaker 1>and so I think we have drop shock from finishing

0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 1>season one and starting and starting season two. It is

0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:57.440
<v Speaker 1>we're just we're it. It's very jarring. But it seemed

0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:01.360
<v Speaker 1>like there was a mandate somewhere to clean house. April

0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 1>isn't here. April hasn't hasn't come on the podcast. She's

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:08.240
<v Speaker 1>she's declined. We asked her, of course, Um, she declined.

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:10.440
<v Speaker 1>But she isn't here to tell us whether or not

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:13.880
<v Speaker 1>for a fact, she was let go. Um. She did

0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 1>write us a letter. We read it. We this is

0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 1>from Jeanette's experience. Um, and from you know, what Jeanette

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 1>saw and witnessed her was a part of herself. But

0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 1>without hearing it directly from April, we don't know for

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:28.920
<v Speaker 1>sure that she was let go and didn't just walk away.

0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 1>But from experiences, it seems as though she may have

0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:33.920
<v Speaker 1>been let go, But we don't know that for for

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:36.239
<v Speaker 1>a fact. And in all fairness to also say this,

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.719
<v Speaker 1>we have to we we are getting one side of

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the story. Unpacking people, unpacking nikes. We thought the suitcases

0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:45.680
<v Speaker 1>were empty, and oh my god, there's another bag that

0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:51.719
<v Speaker 1>was just delivered, just been dropped. I'm curious, though, do

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:56.280
<v Speaker 1>you think the listeners care about this stuff? Rearely because

0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.400
<v Speaker 1>because it seems so snarky, you know, it just seems

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:03.960
<v Speaker 1>like ide saying you know what, I don't think I

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:07.320
<v Speaker 1>don't think it comes across as snarky. I think the

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:10.400
<v Speaker 1>reason it's come up is not because we are a

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 1>gossip podcast. We're absolutely not. It has come up because

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:17.360
<v Speaker 1>we have been asking these questions about, so, what happened?

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:19.759
<v Speaker 1>You wrote this amazing episode, where did it go? Why

0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:24.520
<v Speaker 1>did that happen? And then when we would interview other writers,

0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:27.160
<v Speaker 1>there would be things that were said like, well, you know,

0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:31.160
<v Speaker 1>April was very political, and April was very this, and

0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 1>we'd go, huh interesting. So then now we've heard that,

0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:41.120
<v Speaker 1>let's go see, so we're it's literally investigative more than snark.

0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:47.719
<v Speaker 1>We're not trying to gossip or expose anyone. Like Will said,

0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 1>we were very insulated. So this is like really educational

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 1>for us. And we also are now looking at the

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:59.040
<v Speaker 1>show from the adult eyes perspective, and now we relate

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:01.080
<v Speaker 1>so much more to the adults who were on the

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 1>show and had the real the real work of it,

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:08.240
<v Speaker 1>and so it's we're just fascinated by how it all worked.

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I think I think there's something also that needs to

0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:16.879
<v Speaker 1>be said, which is we probably would not have any

0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 1>of these questions, any of this knowledge if it was

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:23.879
<v Speaker 1>not a show co created by Michael Jacobs and April Kelly.

0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:26.880
<v Speaker 1>It's literally the fact that she has that credit that

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:32.400
<v Speaker 1>this question, because we probably would barely remember April honestly.

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:35.759
<v Speaker 1>But but but but all throughout we were always like, wait,

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:38.640
<v Speaker 1>why is the show created by Michael and this other

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:41.960
<v Speaker 1>person who we don't wear that and we have vague

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:44.160
<v Speaker 1>memories of it. And so we would ask that question

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:47.919
<v Speaker 1>regularly of the writers of and it was always sort

0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:50.759
<v Speaker 1>of shoved under the rug or played off as like no, no, no,

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:54.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, and on. Like my impression was there was

0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:58.920
<v Speaker 1>this crazy lady who disappeared, and it was always minimized

0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and always made to be like this person was unusual

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and weird and didn't actually do anything and didn't actually

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:07.400
<v Speaker 1>bring anything to the table. That was always my impression.

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.200
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't until we started this podcast that we

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:12.960
<v Speaker 1>started going like that can't be the whole story, right,

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Like she wasn't you know, I just we have this

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:17.719
<v Speaker 1>image of you know, we've been told she drove a

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:20.400
<v Speaker 1>ferrari and she was crazy, and and like when you

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:22.360
<v Speaker 1>look at her record, you're like, well, she actually had

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:25.160
<v Speaker 1>an incredible track record in television and the things that

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, the things that she did bring to the

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:29.799
<v Speaker 1>show seemed to be really important that we're learning now

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:33.239
<v Speaker 1>and so yeah, so it's it's really about, you know,

0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 1>revising the narrative that we've lived with all our all

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 1>our adults, all our childhood and all our adulthood. And

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:41.080
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of important. You know, it feels important to

0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:42.840
<v Speaker 1>me at least, it doesn't feel snarky. It feels like

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.000
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of the real history. Um. And I

0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:49.200
<v Speaker 1>have to say, like, thank god she got that credit, right, Like,

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:51.719
<v Speaker 1>if she didn't have that credit, we literally wouldn't know

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:53.880
<v Speaker 1>she exists. I don't think. I think it would just

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, you know, because it's hard for us

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.600
<v Speaker 1>to remember. We don't know all that. We barely knew

0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:00.320
<v Speaker 1>the writing staff. You know, we know that people that

0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:02.520
<v Speaker 1>stayed all seven years, um, and we know the people

0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:07.960
<v Speaker 1>that made themselves important to us who expressed to them.

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:09.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm the creator, I did everything. You know

0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:12.399
<v Speaker 1>that happened a lot. There was a lot of self

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:15.759
<v Speaker 1>aggrandizing going on, and um, you know, it's it's just

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:18.440
<v Speaker 1>interesting now to be to to to be revising the

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 1>narrative and realizing like, okay, that was just one person story.

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Um yea and yeah, so we we also we also

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:28.919
<v Speaker 1>said to each other when we started this, we're gonna

0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:31.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a lot of rewatch podcasts out there,

0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:33.960
<v Speaker 1>that's a big thing. We're not going to be one

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:36.080
<v Speaker 1>of those people that just sit there and watch our

0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:37.960
<v Speaker 1>show and talk about how awesome it was all the time.

0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:40.640
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have the conversations we always have. We're just

0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:42.759
<v Speaker 1>gonna happen to record them. We're gonna bring on guests,

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:45.480
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk, and where the conversation leads us is

0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 1>where it's going to lead us. And you know, David

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Trainer came on and let us in one direction, and

0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:51.840
<v Speaker 1>other writers came on and let us in another direction.

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:54.719
<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna go wherever it goes. And it's one

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 1>of those things where I think, like any fandom out there,

0:49:57.760 --> 0:49:59.479
<v Speaker 1>some fans are gonna love it, some fans are gonna

0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:01.319
<v Speaker 1>hate it. Some fans are gonna think we're ruining the show,

0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 1>some fans are gonna think we're enhancing the show, and

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:06.920
<v Speaker 1>it's really just we're we're finding out as much as

0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:09.319
<v Speaker 1>as we can about the things we didn't know about

0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:11.800
<v Speaker 1>the show, as well as the audience. So we're just

0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 1>going where it leads us. Frankly, Yeah, and I think,

0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:17.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, having people on to talk about their experiences

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 1>is um. You know, not everybody gets a platform, not

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:23.759
<v Speaker 1>everybody gets to have it, gets a chance to have

0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:26.320
<v Speaker 1>their voice heard and to share their experiences. And we

0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:28.480
<v Speaker 1>understand why some people have said no, thank you, I

0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:31.200
<v Speaker 1>don't want the opportunity. And then, you know, we're so

0:50:31.400 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>grateful to people like you who say, yes, I'm scared,

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:36.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm nervous, but I do. I want to come on

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:37.960
<v Speaker 1>and I want to talk about my experiences. And I

0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:40.480
<v Speaker 1>think it gives it certainly is helpful for all of us,

0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:42.840
<v Speaker 1>and I think it helps, um give the listeners a

0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:46.279
<v Speaker 1>better understanding of what taking TV is really like. Yeah.

0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:49.520
<v Speaker 1>It's also we constantly say we love Boy Meets World.

0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah we do. We love Boy Meets World. We love

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the relationships, we love the show, we love the fans,

0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:58.160
<v Speaker 1>we love everything they brought to the show. This doesn't

0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:00.800
<v Speaker 1>diminish my love for Boy Meats. I'll speak for myself

0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.480
<v Speaker 1>in any way, shape or form knowing this. It was

0:51:03.920 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the seven greatest years of my life. It gave me

0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:09.560
<v Speaker 1>two of my best friends ever. You know, I love

0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Boy Meats world. Learning about it, learning, you know, growing

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:14.080
<v Speaker 1>up and learning that your parents are real people that

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:17.400
<v Speaker 1>have a past, doesn't make me love them any less. Um,

0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:19.680
<v Speaker 1>in a way, it makes me love them more because

0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:23.720
<v Speaker 1>they're they're real. It's it's it's an experience that certain

0:51:23.760 --> 0:51:26.120
<v Speaker 1>people at a wonderful time, certain people at a terrible time,

0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 1>certain people were friends, certain people weren't. It makes it

0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:31.399
<v Speaker 1>more real to me. It doesn't, in any way, shape

0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:34.719
<v Speaker 1>or form, diminish my love for the show. Um, so yeah,

0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 1>we're going where it goes, because I you know, I

0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:42.279
<v Speaker 1>don't want it to look like I'm just like no, no,

0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 1>of course not. This was your experience. Yeah, and it was.

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 1>It was. It was really heartbreaking. It was it was

0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:52.960
<v Speaker 1>said we loved the show as well. It was April's baby. Um,

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 1>she'd done a lot of writing and you know, I'm

0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:58.320
<v Speaker 1>I can't really speak for her, but but I know

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:00.719
<v Speaker 1>how much she loved the show. I'm she like I said,

0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:02.920
<v Speaker 1>she'd done a lot of writing on other people's shows,

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and it was finally her opportunity to have a show

0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:11.400
<v Speaker 1>produced and then she was let up. How heartbreaking was

0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:14.000
<v Speaker 1>that I heard several times coming out of the writer

0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:16.239
<v Speaker 1>room talking to my own experience, I heard several times

0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:18.120
<v Speaker 1>come of the rider room. Not gonna say anybody's name,

0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:21.800
<v Speaker 1>but I heard this quote several times. Women ain't funny.

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I heard that several times coming out of our writer's room.

0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:33.240
<v Speaker 1>So it shows in the lack of voice that was given. Again,

0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:37.160
<v Speaker 1>we we remember two women. One woman that was there

0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the whole time, Susan Jansen almost. I don't think she

0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.319
<v Speaker 1>was there till seven season. She was there till five. Yeah,

0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:46.279
<v Speaker 1>really she she didn't finish it out. I don't the

0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:48.680
<v Speaker 1>whole show for some reason. I think she and then

0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:52.200
<v Speaker 1>these incredibly funny women coming in, like Laura Renalds and

0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:56.319
<v Speaker 1>Patty Carr, Erica Montalfo, Judy Toll, they came and kind

0:52:56.360 --> 0:53:02.319
<v Speaker 1>of went, um, I think uh, Laura Reynolds and um uh.

0:53:02.560 --> 0:53:05.759
<v Speaker 1>Laura and Patty I think finished out the show, and

0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:07.640
<v Speaker 1>I think Erica Maltafo did as well. But I think

0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Judy kind of came and went Judy told, who was

0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:13.480
<v Speaker 1>you know a phenomenal writer? Uh so there's yeah, but

0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:16.640
<v Speaker 1>women ain't funny. I heard that several times coming out

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:20.759
<v Speaker 1>of that room. And April is so funny. I mean, yeah,

0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess I've said that a hundred times, but she

0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:29.560
<v Speaker 1>she was so back to April, so she drives the rip. Ferrari.

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 1>April had wanted a Ferrari from as long as I can,

0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Like I already met her as a Ferrari person. But

0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:42.000
<v Speaker 1>she told me she'd always wanted one, and when she

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:44.160
<v Speaker 1>finally made enough money in Hollywood, she was a good

0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:49.000
<v Speaker 1>violin and it's good for her for that. I did

0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:55.400
<v Speaker 1>exactly the same thing. But no, no, it was I

0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:57.480
<v Speaker 1>wanted a Ferrari, and when I was twenty three, I

0:53:57.600 --> 0:54:00.680
<v Speaker 1>bought myself one. Nobody know what. He looked at me

0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:03.120
<v Speaker 1>crazy because I bought my It was like, hey, good

0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:05.879
<v Speaker 1>for you. Awesome job, kid, Look at that. I can't

0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:08.000
<v Speaker 1>believe what you got. I wasn't weird for that. I

0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:12.120
<v Speaker 1>was awesome for that. So it's, you know, that same thing,

0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:17.120
<v Speaker 1>A total double standard. Um so yeah, it's very strange.

0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Did you I'm sure you did, but I'm gonna ask anyway,

0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:24.560
<v Speaker 1>did you feel a specific like, um, you had to

0:54:24.600 --> 0:54:27.759
<v Speaker 1>be scrappier because you were a woman in the room. Absolutely.

0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 1>April taught me that. She's like, hang because I remember

0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I got I got with her back in the eighties,

0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:37.920
<v Speaker 1>So it was a different world. But it's like, if

0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.560
<v Speaker 1>you're going to hang with these comedy writers, you got

0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:42.560
<v Speaker 1>to be like you've got to be able to stand

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:46.440
<v Speaker 1>up and hang with them. So I could be pretty crass,

0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I must say. So let's talk about what happened after

0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:56.800
<v Speaker 1>you were fired? What did you do next? What? What

0:54:57.120 --> 0:55:02.600
<v Speaker 1>was your what was your next move? I took a

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:04.600
<v Speaker 1>good I think I took a good year and a

0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:10.360
<v Speaker 1>half off of doing any shows. Um in ve I

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:12.080
<v Speaker 1>guess it was only yeah, it was a bet of

0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:16.120
<v Speaker 1>here anyway. In the fall of nine, I worked on

0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:20.520
<v Speaker 1>a show called Grand I worked with another brilliant woman producer,

0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Nancy Lee miyatt Um. She created a show called Social

0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Studies and it was very short lived. Um, but I

0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:32.240
<v Speaker 1>was her script coordinator and she went on to Living Single,

0:55:33.880 --> 0:55:36.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was the last season of Living Single. And

0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:40.239
<v Speaker 1>by this time, I'm I'm going to choot my own horn.

0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:43.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm an amazing script coordinator. Like I said, I could

0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:45.560
<v Speaker 1>box in the back in my mind, I could hear

0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:49.200
<v Speaker 1>the writer's pitching and I could you know, work type

0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:51.839
<v Speaker 1>on in ten wards minutes, so I could really keep

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:57.800
<v Speaker 1>up with their banter. Right, So, um, I got pretty confident,

0:55:57.880 --> 0:56:00.480
<v Speaker 1>shall we say? And I said to that a dowser,

0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I said, yeah, okay, I'll come on a show, but

0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I want a writing assignment. And and then I had

0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:10.560
<v Speaker 1>another producer on another line, and they said, well, we'll

0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:13.359
<v Speaker 1>give you a writing an assignment. So I go back

0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:16.560
<v Speaker 1>to him that and I go that, so they'll give

0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:19.280
<v Speaker 1>me a writing assignment too, And she goes, well, listen,

0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:23.719
<v Speaker 1>that likes to win. That Lee Bowser, she's brilliant. She goes,

0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:26.480
<v Speaker 1>all right, if we get a back nine on the

0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:28.880
<v Speaker 1>last season, we'll give you a second script. I'm like

0:56:29.719 --> 0:56:34.600
<v Speaker 1>another person, all right, came down. There was going on

0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:37.960
<v Speaker 1>living single, so I spent I think we only did

0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:43.120
<v Speaker 1>thirteen episodes for the final year. But um, Queen Latifa

0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Kim feels like some really funny, realiant women. Lovely lovely,

0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Queen Latifa so lovely. And then if that created another

0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:58.760
<v Speaker 1>show called for Your Love on the Warner Brothers Network,

0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and I went on there. That was my last show.

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I wrote an episode for that, and then that was

0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:06.600
<v Speaker 1>my last show of the year of my tenure. Um.

0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:12.280
<v Speaker 1>By then I was over forty, and nobody's funny over forty.

0:57:12.360 --> 0:57:18.040
<v Speaker 1>But women, like said, are never funny. So um, so

0:57:18.200 --> 0:57:21.080
<v Speaker 1>I just left. I had my eyes on Boulder, Colorado

0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:23.440
<v Speaker 1>for a long time, so I just said, that's it.

0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm moving to Boulder, Colorado. Are you retired now? I

0:57:27.560 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 1>am retired now? Good for you make jewelry and for fun.

0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't sell it and I you don't sell it.

0:57:39.840 --> 0:57:43.560
<v Speaker 1>You're walking away from tons of money, Like, I'll sell

0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:45.880
<v Speaker 1>it for you. Let me see. Well know what I

0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:48.800
<v Speaker 1>was thinking is I want to buy some And I'm like,

0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:51.120
<v Speaker 1>what do you mean? You don't sell it. I haven't

0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:53.480
<v Speaker 1>seen my jewelry yet. It doesn't matter. I want a

0:57:53.520 --> 0:58:03.840
<v Speaker 1>piece of you. I'll send you. That's Stair, Daniel. I

0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:07.240
<v Speaker 1>love it. I'm still unpacking. I'm still unpacking in my

0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:08.840
<v Speaker 1>head from this whole episode. I've got to be honest

0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:16.120
<v Speaker 1>with you. I've got drop shock again. Hey there, I'm

0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Hollen Rowden and I am the host of a new

0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:22.560
<v Speaker 1>podcast called Holler Back Now. Moons Full and Beacon Hills

0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:26.600
<v Speaker 1>and the Wolves are coming out again. You know me

0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:29.720
<v Speaker 1>as Lydia Martin from teen Wolf, and on this podcast,

0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:33.360
<v Speaker 1>we will rewatch every episode from the beginning. So join

0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:37.200
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0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:40.280
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0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the villains. We'll be sharing every gory detail with you

0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:47.840
<v Speaker 1>because as if a hundred episodes wasn't enough, I am

0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:50.240
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0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:53.400
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0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:57.080
<v Speaker 1>And oh that's right, we'll be talking about teen Wolf

0:58:57.240 --> 0:59:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the movie. I cannot wait. The Wolves are hellen once again.

0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:04.120
<v Speaker 1>What can I say? So holler back now and join

0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:07.240
<v Speaker 1>us each week listen to Holler Back Now on the

0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:10.320
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0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:20.440
<v Speaker 1>to podcasts. I'm gonna bring up a subject that is

0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:25.240
<v Speaker 1>so overdone on this show, so not like a bad thing.

0:59:25.720 --> 0:59:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing like it comes up because it's like this

0:59:28.960 --> 0:59:33.919
<v Speaker 1>big mystery and and it just comes up, like who

0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:39.640
<v Speaker 1>came up with the name to do you remember? Yes,

0:59:40.920 --> 0:59:46.920
<v Speaker 1>it was not Michael Okay, And I asked Ken Couda

0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:50.160
<v Speaker 1>about it, but he um. I love him. I called

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:52.440
<v Speaker 1>him Cuda Bear because I you know, I grew up

0:59:52.480 --> 0:59:55.000
<v Speaker 1>with him in television basically because he was on Webster

0:59:55.160 --> 0:59:56.960
<v Speaker 1>and I was on Webster, and then we were on

0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Santizoville Air and then we were on Boy Meets World.

1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I asked him, I said, can that was you who

1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:09.400
<v Speaker 1>came up with Topanga? And he didn't right back. So um,

1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:13.360
<v Speaker 1>he's busy with his life and he still writes and stuff.

1:00:13.440 --> 1:00:17.480
<v Speaker 1>So um, I don't know for sure, but I always

1:00:17.560 --> 1:00:21.680
<v Speaker 1>thought it was it was him. But the truth be told,

1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:25.160
<v Speaker 1>whatever episode you were in the first time, is the

1:00:25.240 --> 1:00:29.880
<v Speaker 1>writer that gets credit for it, Patricia Forrester, So she's

1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:36.760
<v Speaker 1>probably still getting my understanding. Remember this is just as

1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:41.360
<v Speaker 1>I recall from the writer's guild, Um, when the character

1:00:41.520 --> 1:00:45.640
<v Speaker 1>first occurs and then recurs, that person who came up

1:00:45.680 --> 1:00:49.240
<v Speaker 1>with the name, or that person who first, you know

1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:55.240
<v Speaker 1>he's going to get the character credit throughout the life

1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:59.600
<v Speaker 1>of the show. It doesn't always happen, but yeah, and

1:00:59.800 --> 1:01:02.160
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if she did, because as I recall, she

1:01:02.320 --> 1:01:06.800
<v Speaker 1>was another really nice person, very um, low key, not

1:01:06.960 --> 1:01:10.600
<v Speaker 1>a big you know, I want all the acclamates and

1:01:10.720 --> 1:01:17.080
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. Yeah. So, looking back now thirty years later,

1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:22.800
<v Speaker 1>what are your overall feelings about your short time on

1:01:23.160 --> 1:01:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Boy Meets World. Any time I worked with April, I

1:01:26.600 --> 1:01:28.960
<v Speaker 1>had a good time, and I learned a lot like

1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:32.000
<v Speaker 1>we and we and we took it very seriously and

1:01:32.880 --> 1:01:36.800
<v Speaker 1>we were in the back on show nights writing rewriting

1:01:36.920 --> 1:01:40.120
<v Speaker 1>jokes that fell on the stage because things fall. You

1:01:40.240 --> 1:01:42.720
<v Speaker 1>can you can go through all the run throughs, but

1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:48.440
<v Speaker 1>then when it hits the audience, yeah, right, So we

1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:52.080
<v Speaker 1>would be back there pitching jokes just in Kate, you know,

1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:54.600
<v Speaker 1>like if the joke didn't work, and then April would

1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:58.080
<v Speaker 1>come out and give the the new joke and try it. Then.

1:01:58.800 --> 1:02:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I loved every minute I'm up, every minute of my

1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:06.760
<v Speaker 1>time on in television. Every I loved it. I mean,

1:02:08.080 --> 1:02:11.640
<v Speaker 1>I have stories endlessly that nobody cares about, but I

1:02:12.600 --> 1:02:15.480
<v Speaker 1>had such a good time. It's such part. It's like

1:02:16.000 --> 1:02:18.720
<v Speaker 1>you start with a script on Monday, and it's shot

1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:21.680
<v Speaker 1>on Friday, and there's all these rewrites in between, and

1:02:21.760 --> 1:02:25.880
<v Speaker 1>then there's also next week scripting punched up and last

1:02:25.960 --> 1:02:29.080
<v Speaker 1>week scripts being edited, and six months from now we've

1:02:29.120 --> 1:02:32.200
<v Speaker 1>got it all blocked out, and I mean it's fascinating,

1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:37.800
<v Speaker 1>so much fun and exhausting. So another reason we've really

1:02:37.880 --> 1:02:40.439
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed doing this podcast is because we have been able

1:02:40.520 --> 1:02:43.280
<v Speaker 1>to shine a light on people who don't always get

1:02:43.320 --> 1:02:45.600
<v Speaker 1>the light. You know, it's very easy for actors to

1:02:45.640 --> 1:02:49.959
<v Speaker 1>seem like Wow, the stars and yet the people doing

1:02:50.040 --> 1:02:52.760
<v Speaker 1>the real work, um aren't the ones who end up

1:02:52.760 --> 1:02:56.720
<v Speaker 1>with the platform. So we have been really enjoying asking

1:02:56.760 --> 1:02:59.200
<v Speaker 1>people like you to come on and share your experiences

1:02:59.320 --> 1:03:01.880
<v Speaker 1>and share your stories with us, and let us tell

1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:05.200
<v Speaker 1>you how appreciative we are for all of the blood,

1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:07.200
<v Speaker 1>sweat and tears you put into it and your love.

1:03:07.360 --> 1:03:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Your love for the show was felt, um in in

1:03:10.800 --> 1:03:13.280
<v Speaker 1>at the very least the two episodes that have your

1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:16.640
<v Speaker 1>name on them, and um, we just are so appreciative

1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:19.160
<v Speaker 1>that you're here. It's really kind of thank you so much.

1:03:19.240 --> 1:03:22.720
<v Speaker 1>It was a pleasure. I'm scared to death, but it was.

1:03:23.600 --> 1:03:25.320
<v Speaker 1>And that by the way, this was just the rehearsal.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to record the next one and take care

1:03:30.280 --> 1:03:34.640
<v Speaker 1>of yourself. You too, being wonderful. Thank you you too.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's so great to Sue by Jeanette. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what to say. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's so funny, Will, when we were talking to her,

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<v Speaker 1>you said something about, you know, finding out your parents

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<v Speaker 1>are real people. It does. It's a very similar process

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<v Speaker 1>for us. You know. It's like, yeah, there's just always

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<v Speaker 1>myth making uh when you're a kid, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>you participate in it, whether it's Santa Claus or the

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<v Speaker 1>Tooth Fairy or the incredibly healthy writing dynamic. That was

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<v Speaker 1>no politics that's going on in your writing staff on

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<v Speaker 1>your show, which you know we should have been protected from,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were, and that was great because we all

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<v Speaker 1>just had so much fun. Um. But I definitely, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>became aware of this possibility working on Girl Meets World,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when I was directing and finally able to

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<v Speaker 1>see as much as I understood the directing side of

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<v Speaker 1>things by that point, it was very eye opening to

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<v Speaker 1>see that the way the writing side of things and

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<v Speaker 1>the producing side of things, and the network side of things,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so much more complicated. It's so much more brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very political. It's a political machine. Had Girl

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<v Speaker 1>Meets World never happened, I wouldn't know or suspect any

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<v Speaker 1>of the stuff, any of it, I would. But I

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<v Speaker 1>agree that the amount that you were, you saw a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I needed a week in the I was like, I'm out,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's yeah, no, it's um. And again, I I

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<v Speaker 1>hate I hate that we constantly have to remind people

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<v Speaker 1>that we love the show. I hate having to do

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<v Speaker 1>that because we do we we I mean, we love

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<v Speaker 1>Boy Meets World. And I hate that we keep having

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<v Speaker 1>to reiterate that because we're learning all this stuff too.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't like that we keep having to convince

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<v Speaker 1>people that we're not here to destroy anything. I think

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<v Speaker 1>so too. It's just it annoys me that we have

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<v Speaker 1>to keep going. We love. This is something we love.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a hugely important and wonderful part of our lives. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't mean you don't look at it differently,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you're an adult, that you go back and

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<v Speaker 1>you you know, and again it's as Ryder said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's great that we were insulated from all this we

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be. It would have destroyed our performances. It

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<v Speaker 1>would have, you know, destroyed our childhoods. It would have

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<v Speaker 1>been harmle So the adults in this sense did exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the right thing. They you know, had their adult thing

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<v Speaker 1>and we had our kids thing. But um, hearing it

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<v Speaker 1>now can be tough, It really can. Yeah, there's so

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<v Speaker 1>many changes going into season two, you know, like the

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<v Speaker 1>show getting older, the sort of nineteen fifties five we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about, the complete just discarding of Topanga's character. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of choices that I now wonder

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<v Speaker 1>how much of you know, how much of them were

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, a result of just this purge, how

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<v Speaker 1>much of them were just you lost a lot of voices.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's and you know, I'm sure we

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of listeners who love season two and forward,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe we will love it too for various reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>But right now it feels like a real shock and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's this is probably indication or it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a result of what was going on behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>Um so it's gonna be interesting to see how how

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<v Speaker 1>that develops and how it settles. And you know, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think we will. I was thinking about this. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we will start to like season two because I

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<v Speaker 1>remember certain things like the Nancy Carrigan episode and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that that I think are going to be really

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<v Speaker 1>like season two. I think I'm just uncomfortable with how

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<v Speaker 1>it aged up so quickly. And then of course i'm

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there are things that we've talked about, like

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of uh, male perspective, you know, like where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm flirting with the teacher, you know, teenage boy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it does seem like the perspective of uh, season

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<v Speaker 1>two is is a different one. The show is the

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<v Speaker 1>show has been united around, you know, told through a

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<v Speaker 1>different lens. Yeah, yeah, well not to not to mix metaphors,

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<v Speaker 1>but it seems like the mommy's gone now and Daddy's

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of the show. M hm. So that's just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what it what it seems like a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit to me, so huh. Well, thank you for joining

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<v Speaker 1>We love you all. Pod dismissed. Pod Meets World is

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