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Speaker 1: at Iroha, which is a Japanese do you yes, Danielle

426
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: knows restaurants like I know TV exactly. You talk to

427
00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: me about food. I'm there, We're sitting in a rohan.

428
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: She goes, Okay, we're not going to get all excited yet,

429
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: Like we're both like that, And she said, um, but

430
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, I pitched an idea to Disney and I

431
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: think they're gonna go with it. They're gonna pare me

432
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: up with this other producer and if it does, of

433
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: course you're coming with me. And um, I'll give you

434
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: the opportunity to pitch stories. We were We've all been

435
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: told the same story about somebody was, you know, Ben

436
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: Savage was sitting on a desk with with Michael Jacobs,

437
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: and Michael knew instantly that we're going to do a

438
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: show together. And here's the show I've come up with.

439
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: So that's the story we've been told from the beginning.

440
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: This is I'll be honest with you, You writer, Daniel,

441
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: You guys might have heard of this. This is the

442
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: first time I heard that it was really April that

443
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: went in and pitched Boyan's world. I hadn't heard that before.

444
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: This is the first we've heard that. But um, I'm

445
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: that it all makes sense. Obviously, we've had other writers

446
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: on the show who have come on, and we had

447
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: kind of gathered the impression that in that first season

448
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: it was really like a very divided room where there

449
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: was like the Michael camp and the April camp. Is

450
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: that a fair assessment? Absolutely? The mean girls and then

451
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: April and her two or three and so who else

452
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: was there on the April side besides you. I was

453
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: trying to think of that now. It was definitely ken Kuda.

454
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we've heard that ken Kuda was

455
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: was was a good friend of April's as well, and

456
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: still a laugh that we remember to this day. Ken

457
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: Kuda's laugh was intoxicating and it was the one you

458
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: could hear during runthrough like you knew you'd hit a

459
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: joke when you heard ken Kuda go, it was great.

460
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: He is another one man. He is just a really

461
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: good writer. April Um. He was April's assistant at the

462
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: very beginning of his career and she became his mentor.

463
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: I think April loves to mentor because I came in

464
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: on Webster with Tina and she mentored us. We wrote

465
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: a couple we were We ended up writing three scripts

466
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: as um partners. What is Tina's last name? Wong Tina?

467
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: Tina and I wrote her three shows for TEENA, three

468
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: different scripts for April and got them produced. It was

469
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: a show that nobody heard of. It was called Santa

470
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: Zabella and yes, Ken was on it as a writer,

471
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: and Um, we just always had a lot of fun. Um.

472
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: They're both hysterical. April is an amazingly generous human. I

473
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: should just be her pr person. That's so grateful to

474
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: her because I did go on Um Sanchezabell Air with

475
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: her and then when Boy Meets World came up, Like

476
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: I said, we talked about it and um, yeah, and

477
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: then when it came about we came in, April was allowed,

478
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: not allowed, but April was given the opportunity to bring

479
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: a couple of writers in. Tricia Forrester. She was another

480
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: woman that was there in season one was Patricia Forrester.

481
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: Someone else that came with April Kelly. No, I don't

482
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: think so, okay, maybe I mean was there she would

483
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: like find writers, like yeah, one of one of the

484
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: producers that you guys interviewed said, April found this writer,

485
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: Bill Lawrence and was trying to you know, that's the

486
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 1: little writer guy. Yeah, yeah, poor Bill exactly. Everyone has

487
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: what it takes to make it in the business. Didn't

488
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: get his shot on Boy Meats World. Poor guy, well

489
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: did he? I thought he had one show? He did,

490
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: he did. We heard that he wrote an episode, turned

491
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: it in and he wasn't allowed to be in the

492
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: writer's room. So his episode was picked apart and completely

493
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: rewritten by the writer's room. And then when it actually

494
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: got to tape night, he didn't recognize that it was

495
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: even his script because there wasn't even one you know,

496
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: last day thing that had stuck around. Just a hack

497
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: that guy. So what were your experiences during that first

498
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: season in the writer's room. Um. Yeah, it was definitely divisive.

499
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: Only I didn't think. I mean, I didn't realize that

500
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: going into it. I didn't know it was going to

501
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: be that divided. Um, but it really was. There was

502
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: there was a lot of snarkiness on the other side. Um,

503
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: And that's okay. I mean, you know, obviously I didn't

504
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: know that they had gotten this story that April was

505
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: this monster. April, it's an amazing human being and so generous.

506
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to counteract that, because you know,

507
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: the head mean Girl had a huge overall deal at Disney.

508
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: And here's an example, like our p s would come

509
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: in around four or five I think, and get ready

510
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: for the evening because it was back in the day

511
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: where they were delivering a lot of scripts and they

512
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: had to copy all the scripts or at the very

513
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: least they had to go pick them up from the

514
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: copy or so they were up rather late into the night,

515
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: and the mean Girl wouldn't buy them dinner. April just

516
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: pulls out her heart and says, give us to the

517
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: kids and let them order dinner. So she has a

518
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: generous heart, and she really saw something in us and

519
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: made it possible that if I came on the show

520
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: as a writer's assistant or at the time, was a

521
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: script coordinator on Boie Meat's World, then she would give

522
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: us a chance, like she gave me a shot to pitch.

523
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: So again, I knew I had one shot, and I

524
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: went in with six stories and she loved four of them,

525
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 1: and they ended up choosing to Wow. Yeah, those are

526
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: two of the best of the first season. Frankly, so

527
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: we've talked about. I mean, they really were two of

528
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: the most well received. The ones we liked the best.

529
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: I mean we you know Rider had Again I've said

530
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: this before that Rider just found out he was on

531
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World like a week ago. Um, so he

532
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: hasn't seen the shows ever, and Danielle and I haven't

533
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: seen him since they were on. And I mean that

534
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: first season is now thirty years ago, so watching it

535
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: again it was watching a brand new show for all

536
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: three of us. And collectively, your two episodes were two

537
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: of our favorites. I mean they just and the ones

538
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: that I do remember actually like it's so funny, especially

539
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, Boy Meets Girl was just like indelible. Um.

540
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, Boys to Mensa too. It's like they were

541
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: both like the ones that the second we started watching

542
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: was like, well I think I remember these lines actually

543
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: this story. Yeah, yeah, they were very important in the

544
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: first in the in the overall building of the first season.

545
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean, especially boy meets Girl you go back to

546
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: you know what that started? It was, you know, it

547
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: created the show. I mean it really did. It helped.

548
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: It helped to push the show in the direction it

549
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: was supposed to go. And that's why it was I

550
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: think Danielle who was like, where the hell is this woman?

551
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: Where we gotta go find her? What? These are easily

552
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: two of the best episodes and the fact that then

553
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: we lost your voice going into season two just felt

554
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: so painful to think about. So it's to you guys,

555
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: really sweet. Where did the ideas for those episodes come from?

556
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: And then I also want to know, do you remember

557
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: the two other ideas that April loved that I searched

558
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: my house for those. I want to know all six

559
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: of them. But it was back when I don't know.

560
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: I I was just doing my job, do you know

561
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I was in the writer's room

562
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: all day and then I would go home and I

563
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: would never want to just disappoint April like I had to.

564
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: I wrote spec scripts that she read and gave me

565
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: notes on to get agents and stuff like that, and

566
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: I just never wanted to make her look bad or

567
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: disappoint her on that show. I mean, it was finally

568
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: really her baby, And so I it on my off hours,

569
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: just sit in the room, come up with stuff talking

570
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: about boy Meets Girl and what a fantastic memory an

571
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: episode that is for for us when we when we

572
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: watched it, did you like I'm trying to I'm trying

573
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: to get to It wasn't until I think it's you know,

574
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: significantly later in the show, maybe even season three, that

575
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: to Panga and Corey actually become a couple like we

576
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: were we're you know, we've just started season two and

577
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: Corey already is kind of starting to date somebody new, Wendy. Um.

578
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: He does ask to Panga out, but to Panka says, no,

579
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: they can't really, they're not going to go through life together. Uh.

580
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: And so did you on like, was there a thing

581
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: in the writer's room about let's do an episode where

582
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: Corey gets feelings for a girl and let's set it

583
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: up where it's going to be to Panga was Topanga

584
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: and Corey gonna be long game no matter what by

585
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: that time? Or was that kind of an original idea

586
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: you had, And I wouldn't say it's an original idea.

587
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: I would say that it was a logical step for

588
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: the progession of the show. I mean, the Sean character

589
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: was a little older or a more mature, and so

590
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: it just seemed logical that he was going to get

591
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: the girls and first, and he was gonna he was

592
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: going to take this more mature stance, and Corey wanted

593
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: to wanted to keep up right. I mean, he's like,

594
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna I'm gonna ask a

595
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: girl out. And then he asks to pay out, which again,

596
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, you guys were the core of the show.

597
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: And he's gonna ask to paying it out and then

598
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: he flips, He's like, what the heck did I do? There?

599
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: Really wasn't ready. Um No, I didn't see the long term.

600
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't. Once we weren't on the show. It was painful,

601
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: pinful to watch. I personially think boy Meet's world could

602
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: have gone ten years if they had slowed the role

603
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: a little bit. Like I remember when they were taping

604
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: my episode. Michael was pitching to the director to say

605
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: like kind of have her, you know, walk up to

606
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: him and you know, turn his collar and I'm like,

607
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: you mean more like more flirtatiously saltry set okay and um,

608
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: and we all kind of cringe. Do you remember we

609
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: would be in the back of the stage in a

610
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: room and we would be pitching. I think we were

611
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: the I think it wasn't the main girls. I think

612
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: it was just April and maybe like check Mannell in

613
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: my opinion was it was so nice. He is one

614
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: of the nicest people. Yes, for the For the record,

615
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: I would like to say that the experience that you

616
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: all had in the writer's room was very different than

617
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: the experience we had with the writers. There are most

618
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: are not all the writers I can think of. We're

619
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: super sweet to me, I will speak just for me,

620
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,479
Speaker 1: very nice to me. We always got the best side

621
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: of everybody. That's why we're so interested in capturing these

622
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: stories because we were really insulated from everything going on there.

623
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: So Jeff Minnell, Jeff Sherman, all of the ken Kuda,

624
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: all the people from the first season, second season and on.

625
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: We always had a great relationship with the writers. They

626
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: were always wonderful people to us, April everybody, So that's

627
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: why hearing a lot of these stories at first was

628
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: so jarring. And then we're kind of getting into it

629
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: because whoever it was, whether it was April, I'm guessing

630
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: with her instincts it was more April than anyone else,

631
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: but who knows. Um, somebody was protecting us from seeing

632
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: any of this happen. So were the minnell Sherman, all

633
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: the people we've had on They're all wonderful people to us.

634
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: We're still close friends with a lot of them. Um.

635
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: So the experiences that you went through are very different

636
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: than the experiences that we went through, which is why

637
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: we're so interested to see the other side of it,

638
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: because as kids, we didn't get any of that. Yeah

639
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't know what the what was going

640
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: on in the room. Um, and I do think, yeah,

641
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: we were very well protected from it, which is what

642
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: probably what you guys wanted. You didn't want your adult

643
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: um issues coming onto the set with kids, which is

644
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: the responsible thing to do. So it's only now that

645
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: we're going I wonder what was going on for them,

646
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: But your instincts are correct. Jeff Minnell is one of

647
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: the nicest people you'll ever meet in your life. He's

648
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: a wonderful man. So yeah, he's a great guy. And

649
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: April looked him and he would come sit in the

650
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: room like there was there were two rooms essentially, right,

651
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: and so even on set it was separated really that much.

652
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: There were two rooms. That's how the two camps were.

653
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: Not the whole time, right, but a lot, you know,

654
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: there were two like two separate rooms. Certainly by the

655
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: time we got to Boy Meets Girl, which was the

656
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: last episode of the season, so definitely by the end

657
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: of the season there had been enough divisiveness that there

658
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: were now two rooms. But keep in mind, everybody would

659
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: come together in the room to do like final pitches

660
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: and you know, make it funnier. But a lot of times,

661
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, the other team was we don't I don't

662
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: know what they were doing, but we would all come

663
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: together in the room. When I turned in one of

664
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: my drafts, he in April met me in Michael's office

665
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: and um, Michael had notes. Well, they were going to

666
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: give me notes on my script, and Michael just like goes.

667
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what to say. I don't know,

668
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, and he throws my script across the

669
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: room and goes, this is a piece of blank like

670
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: that is right, And I'm sitting there like what And

671
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: April says, Okay, Michael, it's cool, Like let's just sit

672
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: down and go through the script and give Jeanette notes.

673
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: Let's fix it, because you know, he's all like like

674
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: he was kind of nervous, a nervous energy, and he's

675
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: just like I don't even know what to say, you know,

676
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: and he April looked at me and she goes, I'm devastated.

677
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: And she goes, Janet, go back to your desk. I

678
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: will work with Michael and I'll get you notes. He said, okay,

679
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: and I left the room. And so she was even

680
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: protecting you. Absolutely, oh, absolutely absolutely. He was just a

681
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: dramatic energy, you know. So anyway, yeah, I there. So

682
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: there were times everybody was in the room and Michael

683
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: as well. They were definitely different. I mean, April was

684
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: really a calm force, and we talked about stories or

685
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: we you know, punched up with script or whatever we did. Hi,

686
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm Christine Taylor and I'm David Lasher. David and I

687
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: started in a little show in the nineties called Hey Dude,

688
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: and now we're teaming up once again. The host of

689
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: a new I Heart podcast, Hey Dude the Nineties called

690
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: do you remember the motor rolla flip phone? Do you

691
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: remember going to Blockbuster? Do you remember Nintendo sixty four?

692
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: Do you remember getting frosted tips? Was that a serial? No?

693
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: Its hair? Do you remember a O L instant Messenger

694
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: and the dial up sound like Poltergeist? Do you remember

695
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: when we dated? Okay, save that for the podcast. We're

696
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: going to use Hey Dude as our jumping off point,

697
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: but we are going to unpack and dive back into

698
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: the decade of the nineties. We lived it, and now

699
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: we're calling on all of our friends to come back

700
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: and relive it. Each episode will rival the feeling of

701
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: taking out the cartridge from your game boy, blowing on it,

702
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: and popping it back in as we take you back

703
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: to the nineties. So listen to Hey Dude the Nineties

704
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: called on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or

705
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: wherever you listen to podcasts. Did you have any memory

706
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: of of April tell and not to not to tell

707
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: April story, but do you have any memory of April

708
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 1: telling you that she wasn't coming back to the show.

709
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 1: This story breaks my heart. So April had a really

710
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: handsome boyfriend and that two of them were going to

711
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: after this long year and a half. Because remember there

712
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 1: was the pilot that they were working, and I worked

713
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: on the pilot with Michael and and um April in

714
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: the sense of only of course typing it. I was, yeah,

715
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: I didn't have anything to do with the writing on

716
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: the pilot, but I was brought in to get it

717
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: ready and just need the writer's assistanners on it and

718
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: do that thing. So anyway, at the end of the season,

719
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: Um Mike Um, after a year of working, April was

720
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: ready to take a vacation with her lovely boyfriend and

721
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: she set up to go to France. She'd always wanted

722
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: to go to France or go back with her boyfriend.

723
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: And I go, April, I just don't feel good about this.

724
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: She goes, Jeanette, I've given Michael the list of writers

725
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: and you and Kennor on it. You're gonna get finally

726
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: like I been with April ten years. And she's like,

727
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: You're finally going to get your bump up to staff writer.

728
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 1: And I'm like, like, well, you don't believe it until

729
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: the contract comes over, and I'm like, I just wish

730
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: you weren't going to France. I wish you'd wait to

731
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: the contracts. No, no, this is all worked out. Michael

732
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: has agreed to it. Your names are on the list

733
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: on his desk, and I said, okay, And you've got

734
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: to believe April because she knows her stuff. I mean absolutely,

735
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: So she goes away and I'm probably cleaning up for

736
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: the season, like getting all the first dress and everything

737
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: in order, getting all the files in order, doing all

738
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: the computer stuff, whatever put to We got let go,

739
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: and we're not on the show. And I sent April

740
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: a telegram in France to her hotel saying we've been cut,

741
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: and I'm sure her agent did too. We just got cut.

742
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: You and April, you mean and Cancuta. So we were

743
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: cut and that's it, just that simple. That's simple, man.

744
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: We weren't broke back, so essentially anybody team April was gone. Correct. Wow, brutal.

745
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: I hate to keep harping on this, but I just

746
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: I keep trying to picture it because it's, um, it's

747
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: so sad to me. But you you were cleaning up,

748
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: getting the season one scripts in order. And then who

749
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: actually came to you to say, pack up your stuff

750
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: and don't come back. I don't remember very well. Could

751
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: have been Michael, It could have been I don't know.

752
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember. All I remember was sending April a telegram.

753
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: It was traumatic for me. It was I loved the

754
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: show and I liked what we were doing with it.

755
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: We were taking it slow. What how old are you

756
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: in Bend at the time, ten or twelve? Yeah, So

757
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: what's news to me is that I guess in my mind,

758
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: I always thought April left. Yeah, I always thought that

759
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: she was fed up with the show and left, you know,

760
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: because of the politics and whatnot. I didn't realize that

761
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: it was actually a a move that had been made,

762
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: uh you know, putting you know. I mean, I'm assuming

763
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: that that means that there was a decision made at

764
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: the network level or Michael just suddenly got more power

765
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: than he had before and was able to, you know,

766
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: take over the show. That's so interesting. I never knew that.

767
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: Oh it's my opinion, and from kind of looking at

768
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: his past shows that it's sort of a have it

769
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: just like takes over the show. And as I said,

770
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: I think when I Meets World could have gone ten

771
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: years easily if if that, you know, ten eleven year

772
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: old sweetness twelve got to carry on and play through

773
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: a little longer and have kid issues rather having been

774
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: hiding in cause it's wanting to kiss girls and stuff.

775
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: But that's so funny because that's sort of our experience

776
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: right now watching the second season, which you know, I've

777
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: never seen, and we're sort of like, oh, like I

778
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: think Danielle said, you know, I want the warm, comfy

779
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: blanket of season one, and I feel the same way.

780
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: And it's it's jarring. It seems like the show just

781
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: went from you know, a kids show, a very sweet

782
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: family show, to something you know, very teenage and adolescent quickly. Um.

783
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: And then I heard a great I heard a great

784
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: saying that so encapsulates what we've been talking about. It's perfect,

785
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: you know, see. And I watched that show alone, and

786
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: all of the contestants talk about right when they're first

787
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: put into the wilderness by themselves, they call it drop shock,

788
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: and so I think we have drop shock from finishing

789
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: season one and starting and starting season two. It is

790
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: we're just we're it. It's very jarring. But it seemed

791
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: like there was a mandate somewhere to clean house. April

792
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: isn't here. April hasn't hasn't come on the podcast. She's

793
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: she's declined. We asked her, of course, Um, she declined.

794
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: But she isn't here to tell us whether or not

795
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: for a fact, she was let go. Um. She did

796
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: write us a letter. We read it. We this is

797
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: from Jeanette's experience. Um, and from you know, what Jeanette

798
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: saw and witnessed her was a part of herself. But

799
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: without hearing it directly from April, we don't know for

800
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: sure that she was let go and didn't just walk away.

801
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: But from experiences, it seems as though she may have

802
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: been let go, But we don't know that for for

803
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: a fact. And in all fairness to also say this,

804
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: we have to we we are getting one side of

805
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: the story. Unpacking people, unpacking nikes. We thought the suitcases

806
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: were empty, and oh my god, there's another bag that

807
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: was just delivered, just been dropped. I'm curious, though, do

808
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: you think the listeners care about this stuff? Rearely because

809
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: because it seems so snarky, you know, it just seems

810
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: like ide saying you know what, I don't think I

811
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: don't think it comes across as snarky. I think the

812
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: reason it's come up is not because we are a

813
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: gossip podcast. We're absolutely not. It has come up because

814
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: we have been asking these questions about, so, what happened?

815
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: You wrote this amazing episode, where did it go? Why

816
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: did that happen? And then when we would interview other writers,

817
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: there would be things that were said like, well, you know,

818
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: April was very political, and April was very this, and

819
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: we'd go, huh interesting. So then now we've heard that,

820
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: let's go see, so we're it's literally investigative more than snark.

821
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: We're not trying to gossip or expose anyone. Like Will said,

822
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: we were very insulated. So this is like really educational

823
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: for us. And we also are now looking at the

824
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: show from the adult eyes perspective, and now we relate

825
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: so much more to the adults who were on the

826
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: show and had the real the real work of it,

827
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 1: and so it's we're just fascinated by how it all worked.

828
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: I think I think there's something also that needs to

829
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: be said, which is we probably would not have any

830
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: of these questions, any of this knowledge if it was

831
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: not a show co created by Michael Jacobs and April Kelly.

832
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: It's literally the fact that she has that credit that

833
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: this question, because we probably would barely remember April honestly.

834
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: But but but but all throughout we were always like, wait,

835
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: why is the show created by Michael and this other

836
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: person who we don't wear that and we have vague

837
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: memories of it. And so we would ask that question

838
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 1: regularly of the writers of and it was always sort

839
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: of shoved under the rug or played off as like no, no, no,

840
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: you know, and on. Like my impression was there was

841
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: this crazy lady who disappeared, and it was always minimized

842
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: and always made to be like this person was unusual

843
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: and weird and didn't actually do anything and didn't actually

844
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: bring anything to the table. That was always my impression.

845
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until we started this podcast that we

846
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: started going like that can't be the whole story, right,

847
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: Like she wasn't you know, I just we have this

848
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: image of you know, we've been told she drove a

849
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: ferrari and she was crazy, and and like when you

850
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: look at her record, you're like, well, she actually had

851
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: an incredible track record in television and the things that

852
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: you know, the things that she did bring to the

853
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: show seemed to be really important that we're learning now

854
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: and so yeah, so it's it's really about, you know,

855
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: revising the narrative that we've lived with all our all

856
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: our adults, all our childhood and all our adulthood. And

857
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of important. You know, it feels important to

858
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: me at least, it doesn't feel snarky. It feels like

859
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: this is kind of the real history. Um. And I

860
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: have to say, like, thank god she got that credit, right, Like,

861
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: if she didn't have that credit, we literally wouldn't know

862
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: she exists. I don't think. I think it would just

863
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you know, because it's hard for us

864
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: to remember. We don't know all that. We barely knew

865
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: the writing staff. You know, we know that people that

866
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: stayed all seven years, um, and we know the people

867
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: that made themselves important to us who expressed to them.

868
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: You know, I'm the creator, I did everything. You know

869
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: that happened a lot. There was a lot of self

870
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: aggrandizing going on, and um, you know, it's it's just

871
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: interesting now to be to to to be revising the

872
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: narrative and realizing like, okay, that was just one person story.

873
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: Um yea and yeah, so we we also we also

874
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 1: said to each other when we started this, we're gonna

875
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of rewatch podcasts out there,

876
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: that's a big thing. We're not going to be one

877
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: of those people that just sit there and watch our

878
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: show and talk about how awesome it was all the time.

879
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna have the conversations we always have. We're just

880
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: gonna happen to record them. We're gonna bring on guests,

881
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk, and where the conversation leads us is

882
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: where it's going to lead us. And you know, David

883
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: Trainer came on and let us in one direction, and

884
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: other writers came on and let us in another direction.

885
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go wherever it goes. And it's one

886
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: of those things where I think, like any fandom out there,

887
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,479
Speaker 1: some fans are gonna love it, some fans are gonna

888
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: hate it. Some fans are gonna think we're ruining the show,

889
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: some fans are gonna think we're enhancing the show, and

890
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: it's really just we're we're finding out as much as

891
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: as we can about the things we didn't know about

892
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: the show, as well as the audience. So we're just

893
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: going where it leads us. Frankly, Yeah, and I think,

894
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, having people on to talk about their experiences

895
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: is um. You know, not everybody gets a platform, not

896
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: everybody gets to have it, gets a chance to have

897
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: their voice heard and to share their experiences. And we

898
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: understand why some people have said no, thank you, I

899
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: don't want the opportunity. And then, you know, we're so

900
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: grateful to people like you who say, yes, I'm scared,

901
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm nervous, but I do. I want to come on

902
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about my experiences. And I

903
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: think it gives it certainly is helpful for all of us,

904
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: and I think it helps, um give the listeners a

905
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: better understanding of what taking TV is really like. Yeah.

906
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: It's also we constantly say we love Boy Meets World.

907
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah we do. We love Boy Meets World. We love

908
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: the relationships, we love the show, we love the fans,

909
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: we love everything they brought to the show. This doesn't

910
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: diminish my love for Boy Meats. I'll speak for myself

911
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form knowing this. It was

912
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: the seven greatest years of my life. It gave me

913
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: two of my best friends ever. You know, I love

914
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: Boy Meats world. Learning about it, learning, you know, growing

915
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: up and learning that your parents are real people that

916
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: have a past, doesn't make me love them any less. Um,

917
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: in a way, it makes me love them more because

918
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: they're they're real. It's it's it's an experience that certain

919
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: people at a wonderful time, certain people at a terrible time,

920
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: certain people were friends, certain people weren't. It makes it

921
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: more real to me. It doesn't, in any way, shape

922
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: or form, diminish my love for the show. Um, so yeah,

923
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: we're going where it goes, because I you know, I

924
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: don't want it to look like I'm just like no, no,

925
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: of course not. This was your experience. Yeah, and it was.

926
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: It was. It was really heartbreaking. It was it was

927
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: said we loved the show as well. It was April's baby. Um,

928
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: she'd done a lot of writing and you know, I'm

929
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: I can't really speak for her, but but I know

930
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: how much she loved the show. I'm she like I said,

931
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: she'd done a lot of writing on other people's shows,

932
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: and it was finally her opportunity to have a show

933
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: produced and then she was let up. How heartbreaking was

934
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: that I heard several times coming out of the writer

935
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: room talking to my own experience, I heard several times

936
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: come of the rider room. Not gonna say anybody's name,

937
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: but I heard this quote several times. Women ain't funny.

938
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: I heard that several times coming out of our writer's room.

939
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: So it shows in the lack of voice that was given. Again,

940
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: we we remember two women. One woman that was there

941
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: the whole time, Susan Jansen almost. I don't think she

942
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: was there till seven season. She was there till five. Yeah,

943
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: really she she didn't finish it out. I don't the

944
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: whole show for some reason. I think she and then

945
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: these incredibly funny women coming in, like Laura Renalds and

946
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: Patty Carr, Erica Montalfo, Judy Toll, they came and kind

947
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: of went, um, I think uh, Laura Reynolds and um uh.

948
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: Laura and Patty I think finished out the show, and

949
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: I think Erica Maltafo did as well. But I think

950
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: Judy kind of came and went Judy told, who was

951
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: you know a phenomenal writer? Uh so there's yeah, but

952
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: women ain't funny. I heard that several times coming out

953
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: of that room. And April is so funny. I mean, yeah,

954
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: I guess I've said that a hundred times, but she

955
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: she was so back to April, so she drives the rip. Ferrari.

956
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: April had wanted a Ferrari from as long as I can,

957
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: Like I already met her as a Ferrari person. But

958
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: she told me she'd always wanted one, and when she

959
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: finally made enough money in Hollywood, she was a good

960
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: violin and it's good for her for that. I did

961
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: exactly the same thing. But no, no, it was I

962
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: wanted a Ferrari, and when I was twenty three, I

963
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: bought myself one. Nobody know what. He looked at me

964
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: crazy because I bought my It was like, hey, good

965
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: for you. Awesome job, kid, Look at that. I can't

966
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: believe what you got. I wasn't weird for that. I

967
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: was awesome for that. So it's, you know, that same thing,

968
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: A total double standard. Um so yeah, it's very strange.

969
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: Did you I'm sure you did, but I'm gonna ask anyway,

970
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: did you feel a specific like, um, you had to

971
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: be scrappier because you were a woman in the room. Absolutely.

972
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: April taught me that. She's like, hang because I remember

973
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: I got I got with her back in the eighties,

974
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: So it was a different world. But it's like, if

975
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: you're going to hang with these comedy writers, you got

976
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: to be like you've got to be able to stand

977
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: up and hang with them. So I could be pretty crass,

978
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: I must say. So let's talk about what happened after

979
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: you were fired? What did you do next? What? What

980
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: was your what was your next move? I took a

981
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: good I think I took a good year and a

982
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: half off of doing any shows. Um in ve I

983
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: guess it was only yeah, it was a bet of

984
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: here anyway. In the fall of nine, I worked on

985
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: a show called Grand I worked with another brilliant woman producer,

986
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: Nancy Lee miyatt Um. She created a show called Social

987
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: Studies and it was very short lived. Um, but I

988
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 1: was her script coordinator and she went on to Living Single,

989
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: and it was the last season of Living Single. And

990
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: by this time, I'm I'm going to choot my own horn.

991
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm an amazing script coordinator. Like I said, I could

992
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: box in the back in my mind, I could hear

993
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: the writer's pitching and I could you know, work type

994
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: on in ten wards minutes, so I could really keep

995
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: up with their banter. Right, So, um, I got pretty confident,

996
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: shall we say? And I said to that a dowser,

997
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, okay, I'll come on a show, but

998
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: I want a writing assignment. And and then I had

999
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: another producer on another line, and they said, well, we'll

1000
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: give you a writing an assignment. So I go back

1001
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: to him that and I go that, so they'll give

1002
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: me a writing assignment too, And she goes, well, listen,

1003
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: that likes to win. That Lee Bowser, she's brilliant. She goes,

1004
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: all right, if we get a back nine on the

1005
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: last season, we'll give you a second script. I'm like

1006
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: another person, all right, came down. There was going on

1007
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: living single, so I spent I think we only did

1008
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: thirteen episodes for the final year. But um, Queen Latifa

1009
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: Kim feels like some really funny, realiant women. Lovely lovely,

1010
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: Queen Latifa so lovely. And then if that created another

1011
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: show called for Your Love on the Warner Brothers Network,

1012
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: and I went on there. That was my last show.

1013
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: I wrote an episode for that, and then that was

1014
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: my last show of the year of my tenure. Um.

1015
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 1: By then I was over forty, and nobody's funny over forty.

1016
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: But women, like said, are never funny. So um, so

1017
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: I just left. I had my eyes on Boulder, Colorado

1018
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: for a long time, so I just said, that's it.

1019
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm moving to Boulder, Colorado. Are you retired now? I

1020
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: am retired now? Good for you make jewelry and for fun.

1021
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: I don't sell it and I you don't sell it.

1022
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: You're walking away from tons of money, Like, I'll sell

1023
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: it for you. Let me see. Well know what I

1024
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: was thinking is I want to buy some And I'm like,

1025
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: what do you mean? You don't sell it. I haven't

1026
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: seen my jewelry yet. It doesn't matter. I want a

1027
00:57:53,520 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: piece of you. I'll send you. That's Stair, Daniel. I

1028
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: love it. I'm still unpacking. I'm still unpacking in my

1029
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: head from this whole episode. I've got to be honest

1030
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: with you. I've got drop shock again. Hey there, I'm

1031
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: Hollen Rowden and I am the host of a new

1032
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: podcast called Holler Back Now. Moons Full and Beacon Hills

1033
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: and the Wolves are coming out again. You know me

1034
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: as Lydia Martin from teen Wolf, and on this podcast,

1035
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: we will rewatch every episode from the beginning. So join

1036
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: me and my favorite teen Wolf stars and friends as

1037
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: we reunite the cast, the crew, and the heroes and

1038
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: the villains. We'll be sharing every gory detail with you

1039
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: because as if a hundred episodes wasn't enough, I am

1040
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: bringing you all the behind the scenes. There's gonna be

1041
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: so much more from each episode. Nothing is off limits.

1042
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: And oh that's right, we'll be talking about teen Wolf

1043
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: the movie. I cannot wait. The Wolves are hellen once again.

1044
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: What can I say? So holler back now and join

1045
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: us each week listen to Holler Back Now on the

1046
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you listen

1047
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: to podcasts. I'm gonna bring up a subject that is

1048
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: so overdone on this show, so not like a bad thing.

1049
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm seeing like it comes up because it's like this

1050
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 1: big mystery and and it just comes up, like who

1051
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: came up with the name to do you remember? Yes,

1052
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: it was not Michael Okay, And I asked Ken Couda

1053
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: about it, but he um. I love him. I called

1054
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: him Cuda Bear because I you know, I grew up

1055
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: with him in television basically because he was on Webster

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Speaker 1: and I was on Webster, and then we were on

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00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: Santizoville Air and then we were on Boy Meets World.

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Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, can that was you who

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01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: came up with Topanga? And he didn't right back. So um,

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Speaker 1: he's busy with his life and he still writes and stuff.

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Speaker 1: So um, I don't know for sure, but I always

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01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: thought it was it was him. But the truth be told,

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Speaker 1: whatever episode you were in the first time, is the

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Speaker 1: writer that gets credit for it, Patricia Forrester, So she's

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Speaker 1: probably still getting my understanding. Remember this is just as

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Speaker 1: I recall from the writer's guild, Um, when the character

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Speaker 1: first occurs and then recurs, that person who came up

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Speaker 1: with the name, or that person who first, you know

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01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: he's going to get the character credit throughout the life

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Speaker 1: of the show. It doesn't always happen, but yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I wonder if she did, because as I recall, she

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01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: was another really nice person, very um, low key, not

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01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: a big you know, I want all the acclamates and

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01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah. So, looking back now thirty years later,

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01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: what are your overall feelings about your short time on

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01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World. Any time I worked with April, I

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01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: had a good time, and I learned a lot like

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01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: we and we and we took it very seriously and

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01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: we were in the back on show nights writing rewriting

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01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: jokes that fell on the stage because things fall. You

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01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: can you can go through all the run throughs, but

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01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: then when it hits the audience, yeah, right, So we

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01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: would be back there pitching jokes just in Kate, you know,

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01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: like if the joke didn't work, and then April would

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01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: come out and give the the new joke and try it. Then.

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01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: I loved every minute I'm up, every minute of my

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01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: time on in television. Every I loved it. I mean,

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01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: I have stories endlessly that nobody cares about, but I

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01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: had such a good time. It's such part. It's like

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01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: you start with a script on Monday, and it's shot

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01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: on Friday, and there's all these rewrites in between, and

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01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: then there's also next week scripting punched up and last

1093
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: week scripts being edited, and six months from now we've

1094
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: got it all blocked out, and I mean it's fascinating,

1095
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: so much fun and exhausting. So another reason we've really

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01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 1: enjoyed doing this podcast is because we have been able

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01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: to shine a light on people who don't always get

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01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: the light. You know, it's very easy for actors to

1099
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,959
Speaker 1: seem like Wow, the stars and yet the people doing

1100
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: the real work, um aren't the ones who end up

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01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: with the platform. So we have been really enjoying asking

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01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: people like you to come on and share your experiences

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01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: and share your stories with us, and let us tell

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01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: you how appreciative we are for all of the blood,

1105
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: sweat and tears you put into it and your love.

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01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: Your love for the show was felt, um in in

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01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: at the very least the two episodes that have your

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01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: name on them, and um, we just are so appreciative

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01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: that you're here. It's really kind of thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: It was a pleasure. I'm scared to death, but it was.

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01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: And that by the way, this was just the rehearsal.

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Speaker 1: We're going to record the next one and take care

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01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: of yourself. You too, being wonderful. Thank you you too.

1114
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: And it's so great to Sue by Jeanette. I mean,

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01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. Well, you know,

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01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: it's it's so funny, Will, when we were talking to her,

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01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: you said something about, you know, finding out your parents

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01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: are real people. It does. It's a very similar process

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01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: for us. You know. It's like, yeah, there's just always

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01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: myth making uh when you're a kid, you know, and

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01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: you participate in it, whether it's Santa Claus or the

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01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: Tooth Fairy or the incredibly healthy writing dynamic. That was

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01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: no politics that's going on in your writing staff on

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01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: your show, which you know we should have been protected from,

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01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: and we were, and that was great because we all

1126
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: just had so much fun. Um. But I definitely, you know,

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01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: became aware of this possibility working on Girl Meets World,

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Speaker 1: you know, when I was directing and finally able to

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01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: see as much as I understood the directing side of

1130
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: things by that point, it was very eye opening to

1131
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: see that the way the writing side of things and

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01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: the producing side of things, and the network side of things,

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01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: it's so much more complicated. It's so much more brutal.

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01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: It is very political. It's a political machine. Had Girl

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01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: Meets World never happened, I wouldn't know or suspect any

1136
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: of the stuff, any of it, I would. But I

1137
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: agree that the amount that you were, you saw a lot.

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01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: I needed a week in the I was like, I'm out,

1139
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: so it's yeah, no, it's um. And again, I I

1140
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: hate I hate that we constantly have to remind people

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01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: that we love the show. I hate having to do

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01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: that because we do we we I mean, we love

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01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World. And I hate that we keep having

1144
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: to reiterate that because we're learning all this stuff too.

1145
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: And I don't like that we keep having to convince

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Speaker 1: people that we're not here to destroy anything. I think

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01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: so too. It's just it annoys me that we have

1148
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: to keep going. We love. This is something we love.

1149
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: It's a hugely important and wonderful part of our lives. Um,

1150
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean you don't look at it differently,

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01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: especially when you're an adult, that you go back and

1152
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: you you know, and again it's as Ryder said, it's

1153
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: it's great that we were insulated from all this we

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01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: needed to be. It would have destroyed our performances. It

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01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: would have, you know, destroyed our childhoods. It would have

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01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: been harmle So the adults in this sense did exactly

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01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: the right thing. They you know, had their adult thing

1158
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: and we had our kids thing. But um, hearing it

1159
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: now can be tough, It really can. Yeah, there's so

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01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: many changes going into season two, you know, like the

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01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: show getting older, the sort of nineteen fifties five we've

1162
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: talked about, the complete just discarding of Topanga's character. Um,

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01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: there are a lot of choices that I now wonder

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01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: how much of you know, how much of them were

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01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: a you know, a result of just this purge, how

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01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: much of them were just you lost a lot of voices.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's and you know, I'm sure we

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Speaker 1: have a lot of listeners who love season two and forward,

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Speaker 1: and maybe we will love it too for various reasons.

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Speaker 1: But right now it feels like a real shock and

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01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: I think that that's this is probably indication or it's

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01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 1: it's a result of what was going on behind the scenes.

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01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: Um so it's gonna be interesting to see how how

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01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: that develops and how it settles. And you know, but

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01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: I think we will. I was thinking about this. I

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01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: think we will start to like season two because I

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01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: remember certain things like the Nancy Carrigan episode and stuff

1178
01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: like that that I think are going to be really

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01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: like season two. I think I'm just uncomfortable with how

1180
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: it aged up so quickly. And then of course i'm

1181
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, there are things that we've talked about, like

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01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: that sort of uh, male perspective, you know, like where

1183
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: I'm flirting with the teacher, you know, teenage boy. Yeah,

1184
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: but it does seem like the perspective of uh, season

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01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: two is is a different one. The show is the

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01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: show has been united around, you know, told through a

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01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: different lens. Yeah, yeah, well not to not to mix metaphors,

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01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: but it seems like the mommy's gone now and Daddy's

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01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: in charge of the show. M hm. So that's just

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01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: kind of what it what it seems like a little

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01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: bit to me, so huh. Well, thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: us for this episode of Pod Meets World. Join us

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Speaker 1: for the next one. But you can also follow us

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Speaker 1: meets the World show dot com. And yeah, thanks for

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Speaker 1: being with us for all the unpacking. Well send us out.

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Speaker 1: We love you all. Pod dismissed. Pod Meets World is

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Speaker 1: an I heart podcast produced and hosted by Daniel Fishel

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Speaker 1: Wilford l and Ryder Strong. Executive producers Jensen Carp and

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Speaker 1: Amy Sugarman, Executive in charge of production, Daniel Romo, producer

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Speaker 1: and editor, Tara sup box producer, Jackie Rodriguez, engineer and

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Speaker 1: Boy Meets World super fan Easton Allen our theme songs

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Speaker 1: by Kyle Morton of Typhoon, and you can follow us

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