WEBVTT - Season 08 Episode 22: Somewhere in Dreamland 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:14.520 In late December twenty thirteen, a video was uploaded to 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:19.000 the YouTube account of doctor Stephen Greer, a ufologist and 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:23.280 founder of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:30.400 titled Area fifty one Technician's Son Discloses Secret Alternative Energy. 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.720 The sixteen minute clip is an interview with Paul H. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:39.879 Hut's about his father's involvement in a clandestine scientific project. 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.680 For most of Paul's childhood, Ute Senior worked at Nellis 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:49.440 Air Force Base in southern Nevada. Paul remembers him leaving 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.400 every morning from the Las Vegas Airport close to their 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.560 home and flying to Nellis, where he claimed to work 0:00:55.600 --> 0:01:00.920 as an optical engineer. Paul describes his dad as a quiet, 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:06.080 conservative man, not prone to sharing details about his life. 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:10.479 But in nineteen ninety three, after Yute Senior retired, he 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:15.080 and the now adult Paul met at a bar. It 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:19.200 seemed the alcohol loosened something in the old man. It 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.800 seemed as though there was something he needed to get 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:26.640 off his chest, a truth he'd been withholding for years. 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.679 According to Paul, this was when his father confessed to 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.000 him that he hadn't simply worked at Nellis Air Force 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:41.399 base he'd worked at the infamous Area fifty one. This site, 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.360 which is indeed a remote part of the Nellis Base, 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.000 as many listeners will know, has been the center for 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:53.560 conspiracy theories for decades. Most famously, according to some, it 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.960 is thought to be the place where the remains of 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:59.760 the Roswell incident were studied, but other rumors have a 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:05.640 rude and persisted the development of exotic technologies, weather control, 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:12.400 time travel, and even face to face meetings with visiting extraterrestrials. 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:18.760 It's a site forever associated with shadowy, black ops and secret, 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:25.000 perhaps dangerous knowledge. Paul Utes his father is said to 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:31.760 have called it Dreamland. You're listening to Unexplained and I'm 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:43.840 Richard McLean Smith. It was at Dreamland that Paul Utes 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:48.000 claimed his father and his team specialized in reverse engineering 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:55.240 and adapting advanced technologies. The provenance of technologies is never questioned. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.280 In Paul's YouTube interview, Paul says they were presented to 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.880 his father's dead team by government agencies and universities, but 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:09.240 where they got them is not discussed. One of the technologies, however, 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:14.600 was apparently a new and unknown energy source. Paul has 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.560 scant details to give, but he does say that his 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.480 father described the device as containing a large amount of 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:27.519 organic material and even potentially some degree of consciousness, though 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.280 he doesn't elaborate on what his father meant by this. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.440 He does add, however, that when Yute Senior's team took 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.840 the device out into the desert to activate it, it exploded. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:46.880 After these tantalizing hints of highly strange conspiracy, Paul's interview 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:51.000 trails off into a long lament for a childhood marred 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:55.840 by his father's career, how an atmosphere of secrecy suffocated 0:03:55.840 --> 0:04:01.280 the family and impeded Paul's social development. The video does 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.880 not return to the nature of Eute Senia's work or 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:11.320 its mysterious implications. It's at best a half mystery, intriguing 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.440 for sure, with Paul's knowledge of military jargon and regional 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.680 geography giving some weight to his story, but it's never 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:24.080 more than an anecdotal contribution to the sweeping mythology of 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:28.560 Area fifty one, and that's probably where the video's impact 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:32.920 would have ended as a minor footnote in a grand conspiracy, 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.640 were it not for a single reply posted in the 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:41.960 comment section below the video. Nearly a year later, at 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.760 first glance, it reads like a typically cooky bread crumb 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:51.279 thrown at YouTube, either attention grabbing fiction or a paranoid 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:55.719 upping of the ante. But that comment turned out to 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.320 be the first digital link in a new chain of mystery, 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.400 one that has stumped both online sleuths and real world 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:09.200 investigators for over a decade, one that suggests there may 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:13.159 be far stranger things waiting in the Nevaden dream land 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:18.919 for those reckless enough to go looking. I am a 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:24.040 long distance hiker. The comment began one time during one 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.120 of my hikes out by Nellis Air Force Base. I 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:31.080 found a hidden cave. The entrance was shaped like a 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:35.840 perfect capital M. I always enter every cave I find, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.479 but as I began to enter this particular cave, my 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:43.400 whole body began to vibrate. The closer I got to 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:48.280 the cave entrance, the worse it became. Suddenly I became 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:52.279 very scared and high tailed it out of there. That 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.520 was one of the strangest things that ever happened to me. 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:01.640 The poster went by the handle snake Bit McGee. Out 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.159 in the real world. He was Kenny Veach, a forty 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:09.800 seven year old outdoors enthusiast, and self proclaimed inventor from 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:21.600 Las Vegas. Kenny Veach frequently posted on other users' videos, 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.960 typically about his prowess as an outdoorsman in the Mohart 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:31.039 and Great Basin deserts. In one comment, he describes how 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:35.320 my hikes are brutal on the body. Sometimes my toenails 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.640 turn black and fall off. It takes me about three 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.840 days to recover from the abuse I put myself through. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.440 He explains that his online monica was a reference to 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.520 his reckless habit of picking up snakes during his excursions. 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.640 In another post, he sets out his experience in the desert. 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.000 I have been doing this sort of thing for over 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.800 twenty years. I go where no one goes, and I 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.680 never take any one with me. I high cover mountaintop 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.520 after mountain top and sleep on peaks under the stars. 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.160 Sometimes I have to scale giant cliffs just to get 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.480 myself out of a jam, but I always make it back, 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:23.200 beat up and tie it. Though his remarks are strewn 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:27.000 across YouTube, Kenny's own footprint on the site is minimal. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:32.560 The snake bit McGee profile hosts only five videos, three 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:37.760 of which demonstrate prototypes of his inventions. One is a 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:42.200 new and improved toilet roll holder. Another is a polar 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:46.440 bear figurine filled with luminescent beads that make it glow 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.560 in the dark. He calls it the Glolar Bear and 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.400 says he plans to submit it to the reality TV 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:58.720 show Shark Tank as an investment opportunity. There's a sense 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:04.240 of cheerful desperation to Kenny's videos. Another film documents an 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.600 attempt to sell his house whilst hoping to be allowed 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.200 to live on in the property as a caretaker of sorts. 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.960 Watching the videos and reading Kenny's comments, you get the 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:22.160 impression of an endearingly eccentric man, funny, energetic, and extremely 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.760 confident in his own abilities, though it's hard to tell 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:31.080 whether that confidence is hard earned and deserved, foolhardy, or 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:36.760 camouflaged for a deeper insecurity. There is only one video 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:42.400 that substantiates Kenny's claims of outdoor expertise. This is the 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:46.960 now infamous m Cave Hike, the video that sits at 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:52.120 the center of the mystery surrounding Kenny Veach. You made 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.040 it as a response to the backlash he received to 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:59.480 his comment on Paul Uts's video. After Kenny described the 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.480 strange cave that scared him so badly. A number of 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:10.199 YouTube users expressed doubts. Many were extremely skeptical, even hostile. 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:15.640 Others were fascinated and encouraged Kenny to retrace his route 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:22.480 and investigate further. One reply stands out, though, a user 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:27.920 named Lemmy kill Mister wrote, No, don't go back there. 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.839 If you find that cave entrance, don't go in. If 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:37.320 you do, you won't get out. What makes you say that, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:44.400 Kenny asked, but he received no reply. Unmoved by the warning, 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.640 or perhaps feeling the need to back up his self 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:52.080 professed reputation, Kenny posted that he would make another trip 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:56.920 into the desert and he would film it. The video 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:00.160 he recorded would be the last footage the world. What 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:14.240 Ever saw of Kenny veach m Cave Hike was uploaded 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:19.680 to YouTube on October eighteenth, twenty fourteen. It is twenty 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.760 two minutes in length and opens without fanfare or tidal 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:29.400 cart on an unforgiving panorama. Far in the distance, a 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:34.160 mountain range looms hazy in the morning light. The mountains 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.720 roll down to a flat span of desert in the 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:40.680 middle distance, before the land rises again toward the camera. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:45.680 In the immediate foreground, there is a scaffold, a crude 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:49.080 assembly of wood and steel over a small hole in 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:53.120 the ground, an old mine shaft, like a scene from 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:57.800 an old Western. After a few seconds, we hear the 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:02.440 crunch of approaching footsteps. Then a figure steps into the frame. 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:11.319 This is Kenny Veach. He's a lean, wiry man with 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:15.320 dark hair and sun blasted skin. He looks like someone 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:19.560 who spends a lot of time outdoors. His clothing is 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:23.880 a random assortment of technical and casual gear, all topped 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:28.240 off with a floppy fishing hat. At its waist is 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.880 a brown leather holster. He looks like someone experienced enough 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.440 in the outdoors to know what he needs, not what 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:42.520 looks good on camera. Kenny walks back and forth until 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.360 he settles in the center of the frame. Then he 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.200 turns to the camera with a smile. 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:54.240 Well, here I am on my hike up here in 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.720 the mountains north of Las Vegas. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.560 He turns to point at the view behind, tells us 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.800 his truck is parked somewhere way out there, on the 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.480 far side of what looked to be in possibly distant peaks. 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.760 He switches stance and points to the mountains to the 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:13.960 right side of the frame. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.120 On the other side of these mountains, I'll show you 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.760 in a second is the bombing range, the Nellis Air 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.400 Force Bombing Range. They do a lot of practice stuff 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:23.880 out there. 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:29.160 These details and other geographical features seen in the video 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.640 have led experts to believe that Kenny was hiking in 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:36.559 the Sheep Range, a sixty mile stretch of mountains running 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:41.280 north to south in the Desert National Wildlife Refuge and 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.559 named for the bighorn sheep that make their home amids 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:49.240 the rock and rubble. Though it parallels Highway ninety three, 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:55.320 it is the largest roadless area in Nevada. Clearly, Kenny 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.120 is well oriented himself. He knows where he is and 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.760 where he has been, pointing to the nearby gas peak, 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.600 where he spent the night on his previous visit to 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:10.400 the area. But on this day, his mission is a 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.960 single day, ten hour hike looking for the cave that 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.600 had so spooked him. M cave. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.400 The last time I came up here, I didn't I 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.679 didn't have a side arm when I was here before, he. 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:27.000 Gestures casually to the weapon now holsted on his hip. 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.480 Something about that cave just spooked me. At all the 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.880 caves I've ever gone in. This one just made my 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.800 body vibrate. The closer I got to it, the crazier 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:37.719 my body felt. And I was like, all right, I'm 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:39.959 not gonna go in there right now, but I'm coming 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:40.720 back someday. 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.800 The first section of Kenny's M Cave video lasts for 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:56.080 six minutes. He speaks to the camera casually, telling the 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.240 viewer that he has a big cooler of beer waiting 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.040 for him in his truck because he didn't bring a 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.439 lot of water with him and only a single candy bar. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.920 He emphasizes the length of his hike and the harshness 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.880 of the terrain, establishing also that he's already at a 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:18.440 significant altitude, telling us that a nearby mountain is around 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.240 nine thousand feet that would put him somewhere close to 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:27.880 Hayford Peak, the highest part of the range. Kenny then 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.280 points out the next stage of his hike. He turns 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.400 the camera to reveal a low rise on the far side. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.680 He tells us there is a canyon heading west towards 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:43.480 Mount Charleston, a canyon that gets ever narrower, and in 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:50.560 there somewhere is the M Cave. Seemingly reminded of his purpose. 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:54.680 Kenny references being called out on YouTube for his claims 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.560 of the cave's strange properties. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.000 Yeah, I don't know if fault be freaked out like 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.360 I was last time. There might have been a mountain 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.280 lying in there, and it was just my sixth sense 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:04.240 talking to me, So. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:05.920 He grins at the camera. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.960 If I find the cave, I'm definitely gonna set up 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:13.480 my tripod over here, and uh, I'm gonna go check 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.440 it out. So you'll see me with my gun in 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.720 hand and my flashlight and we'll see what happens. 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.280 The rest of the video continues in somewhat repetitive two 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:26.520 or three minute chunks. Each leaps forward to a new 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:31.160 stage of Kenny's hike. He discovers fresh pine nuts and 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:35.320 pops them in his mouth. Much later, he stops to 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.800 marvel at a large moha tortoise and tells us he 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.960 got a great photo of a tarantula. So Kenny is 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.960 looking for the cave. The video does not give the 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:50.040 impression of a man possessed by singular purpose. He is 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.280 enjoying his day in the desert. He's relaxed. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:06.840 Oh perfect right stage, look at that perfect Wow. So 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.320 I'm a happy camper. I'm gonna collect these for a 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:13.080 while and then hopefully we'll find that cave. 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.800 Kenny doesn't have a compass with him, and he has 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.920 an odd approach to self discipline. 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.560 I don't have any supplies, you know. I bring water 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.880 and I bring something to eat, but I kind of 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.280 try to pretend that I'm running out or I don't 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.760 have it, just so I can see how far I 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.320 can actually go before I feel like I'm in trouble. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.080 That way, if I ever do get in trouble, I 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:39.720 know when I should start panicking. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.800 Despite the stark, frightening beauty of the desert, there is 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.760 little in the video that appears strange or out of place, 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:55.280 but two details catch the eye. Around thirteen minutes, Kenny's 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:59.360 camera lens lingers on an unusual rock formation, a patch 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.360 of stone that looks different to the rock around it, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:08.400 almost like brickwork set into the hillside. Beside it, there 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.719 is what looks in passing more like a ruined stone 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:16.359 structure than a natural outcrop. Kenny pauses for a moment, 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:22.640 gives a curious hum, then moves on. Towards the very 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.720 end of the video, he cuts to the lonely profile 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:29.439 of a ram standing on a cliff edge. It's an 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.960 animal native to the area, but it looks eerie none 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:37.360 the less. When it turns its horned head in Kenny's direction, 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.920 it's hard not to feel that the creature has sensed 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:46.359 the interloper from its distant perch. And then the adventure 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:50.879 is over. Suddenly, the film cuts to the canyon mouth, 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.200 where the tight wind opens up on to the hard 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.480 packed floor of the Great Basin. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:08.600 Well, I did not find the cave. That is so. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:13.120 Weird, Kenny sounds more surprised and disappointed here. 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.080 I mean, I thought for sure I was just going 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.200 to be able to find it. I remember it being 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:24.399 fairly easy. Who knows, But that's it. I'll talk to 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:25.920 you when I get back to my truck. 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.880 My back, And with that it begins the remaining three 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.439 mile trek to his car, with its tantalizing promise of 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:38.600 cold beer. When Kenny uploaded his failed hike to m Cave, 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.720 it was met by an intense blast of skepticism and negativity. 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:48.520 Fellow YouTubers angrily insisted that he'd fabricated the entire story. 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:54.880 After several weeks of this, Kenny posted a reply, I'm 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:58.919 going again this weekend, he wrote, I'll be hiking solo 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.400 for three days and plan on covering about forty miles. 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.600 I will cross through the same canyon where I found 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.040 the cave. If I don't find it again, I'll just 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.600 continue hiking over mountain after mountain to the north of 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:18.960 the canyon. Kenny sounded incensed by his followers attitudes. He continued, 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.320 I dare any of the people that like to run 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.600 their mouths on here to join me. My hike's are 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.680 brutal on the body. There's no guarantee that I will 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.159 find the cave again. The region that I cover is vast. 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.920 There are many caves. I have been in hundreds of them. 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.879 The m Cave is the only cave I ever feared 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:43.600 going inside. I really want to find it again. It 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:47.840 was November tenth, twenty fourteen, when Kenny ventured out to 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:51.600 the Sheep Range for the third time. All we know 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.240 is that he set out in his truck that morning 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.439 with a cell phone and the necessary supplies for a 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:02.200 multi day hike. He told him his girlfriend, Sherrion Pilgrim, 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.720 that he would be gone for a few days. When 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:10.760 he didn't return after three, she raised the alarm. In 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.760 the days following Sheryon's report, the Las Vegas based Red 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:20.320 Rock Search and Rescue located Kenny's truck. Led by Commander 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:24.639 Dave Cummings. They followed Kenny's trail to that first mine 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:29.679 shaft featured in the m cave hike video. Lying on 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.880 the ground near the borded shaft entrance, they found Kenny's 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:39.639 cell phone. Efforts intensified to find Kenny. Other crews poured 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:44.320 in from surrounding areas, with over thirty rescuers conducting three 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:50.119 separate searches. A helicopter surveyed the scene but found no 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:56.320 sign of Kenny, his camp, or his trail. Commander Cummings 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:00.439 told reporters that there was no visible trail leading away 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:04.399 from the mine. It doesn't mean he went down the 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:08.280 mine shaft. He hedged, but we tracked him as far 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:21.560 as we can. In the days that followed Kenny's disappearance, 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:26.879 with comments and conspiracies already boiling up online, Kenny's girlfriend 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:32.760 Sherrion posted an unexpected note under the mkve hike video. 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:36.760 In it, she first acknowledges the interest and sadness of 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:40.959 other posters before confirming that Kenny has not been found, 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.960 and suggesting that he would likely not be found for many, 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:49.880 many months if ever. She then goes on to explain 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:53.200 that she and Kenny had hiked often together in the desert, 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.960 and though Kenny was more daring than her, they always 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:01.280 took appropriate precaution that led her to a sad conclusion. 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.240 I want you to know that I do not think 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:12.360 Kenny had an accident, Sheririon writes, I believe he committed suicide. 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.800 He battled depression for many years and would not take 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:21.960 medication or see a doctor. Sherrian suspected that Kenny left 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.240 his phone where he did so that he could not 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:28.320 be tracked by the GPS. She also points out that 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.880 this time he had left the video camera at home 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:35.960 because he had no intention of filming anything. She concluded 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.399 her message with a plea to those who may be 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:41.760 inspired to go looking for Kenny or the m Cave, 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:48.400 please please be careful, enjoy your adventures of life, and 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.880 thank you for the kind, loving comments sent my way. 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:58.280 For some, Sheririan's assumption of suicide is the most reasonable explanation. 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:05.000 Others suggest that Kenny simply had an accident, got lost, dehydrated, 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:10.320 or fell prey to the countless spiders, rattlesnakes, and scorpions 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:15.960 that routinely skitter across the desert floor. Some point out 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:19.399 that the area is a known hotspot for criminal activity 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:23.159 and that Kenny may have stumbled into something he shouldn't 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:27.600 and was murdered as a result, but some suggest there 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:33.960 are other lines that Kenny could have unknowingly crossed. Thousands 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:38.080 of comments on the mk video still fixate on nearby 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:42.400 Nellis Air Force Base and the infamous Area fifty one. 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:47.560 After all, in the video itself, Kenny points out that 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:51.280 the base and its test sites are located just over 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:56.199 and nearby Mountain One. Theory in particular relates to the 0:23:56.240 --> 0:24:00.919 intense fear and physical vibration that Kenny said he experienced 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:05.879 near the m Cave. Commentators have pointed out that both 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:18.600 are symptoms theoretically ascribed to the effects of infrasound. Infrasound 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:21.639 is a term used to describe sound waves with a 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:26.400 frequency below the normal limits of human hearing, generally considered 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:30.600 to be twenty hurts or less. Though the vast majority 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:34.560 of humans fail to perceive such sounds, many feel the 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:40.959 waves as physical vibrations in their body. More surprisingly, exposure 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:45.600 to infrasound may prompt feelings of extreme fear or awe. 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:51.840 Several academics have tested this hypothesis, with the psychologist Richard 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:55.720 Wiseman going as far as to suggest that infrasound could 0:24:55.720 --> 0:25:00.600 be an explanation for supposedly supernatural accounts, as especially the 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:06.560 perception of ghosts. In an experiment at the University of Hertfordshire, 0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:10.720 a blind sample of participants was exposed to infrasound of 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:18.000 seventeen hertz. Twenty two percent reported feelings of unease, nervousness, 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:24.080 or outright terror among the more conspiratorially minded. Many think 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:28.080 that Kenny Veitch came under the influence of infrasound on 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.560 his first visit to the m Cave, sending him fleeing 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:37.320 in fear without cause or understanding. Even Kenny had no 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:43.040 rational explanation for his apparent reaction. But if there was 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:47.680 infrasound emanating from the m Cave, that is only half 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:51.359 an answer. It doesn't give any closure to the question 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:56.080 of Kenny's whereabouts, and a few strange details given extra 0:25:56.200 --> 0:26:01.000 twist to the mystery. First, Kenny's comment under the Paul 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:05.720 Utes interview and the forbidding warning posted by Lemmy Kilmister 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:09.120 that Kenny should stay well away from the M Cave 0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:15.280 have both since been deleted from YouTube. Indeed, a great 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.720 number of the more recent posts on the utes and 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.920 M Cave hike video are now exclusively about those deletions, 0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:25.200 with many seeing it as a sign of a potential 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:31.359 cover up. Second since Kenny's disappearance, many have continued to 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:36.639 look for the cave. The Internet is littered with search videos, updates, 0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:40.879 and claims to have discovered the site. In truth, there 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:44.040 was little to be gleaned from the vast majority of them. 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:48.119 That was until twenty nineteen, when a professional hiker and 0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:54.720 YouTuber named Sean Neil Horlocker published a video retracing Kenny's 0:26:54.760 --> 0:27:00.520 exact route. In it, Horlocker roams the canyons until he 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:05.359 comes across a strange looking rock formation, partially obscured behind 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:10.399 desert brush. Close to the ground. There is indeed a 0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:14.680 sharply arched pattern to the dark rock that isn't unlike 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:19.520 a letter M, but where a cave mouth could potentially be, 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:24.920 there are layers of much lighter stone. To the naked eye, 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.959 it does look like a space that has been filled in, 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.679 as shorn All Lucar notes of the strange pattern in 0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:42.840 the rock. Each of the rocks filling the hole seem 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:46.159 to stand separate. I don't even know how these are 0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:49.760 sitting here right now, he says excitedly to the camera. 0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:55.760 How are they holding themselves up? Upon closer inspection, the 0:27:55.840 --> 0:28:01.359 stones seem unusually flat and well fitted together. Holuca also 0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:05.040 points out what he regards as an artificial seam in 0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:08.320 the base of the rock, complete with a white substance 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:13.000 that he says resembles a sealant. He then peers into 0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:16.119 a gap between the rocks and finds what appears to 0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:20.960 be the beginning of a cavity. Shortly after peering into 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:26.320 the obscured cave, Horlocer begins to cough. This quickly accelerates 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:33.399 to breathlessness and nausea. Within minutes, he is vomiting. He 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:39.960 only starts to recover when he leaves the scene. As 0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:43.760 with any mystery pursued online, it's difficult to find any 0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:47.720 certain foothold from which to start. We only ever have 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:52.240 the subjective, edited and curated videos of Kenny and those 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:56.760 like Sean Horlocker who follow in its footsteps and from 0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.840 the prevailing comments. It's near impossible to if the fiction 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:06.400 and trolling from ernest hypothesis, but there is one substantial 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:13.040 link between Kenny's and Sean Hollocker's footage. At fifteen minutes 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:17.320 and forty seconds on Kenny Veach's m Cave hike video, 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:21.640 Kenny is becoming frustrated by his inability to find the cave. 0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:27.960 The footage scans across a canyon wall, resting momentarily on 0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:31.920 each opening in the rock. Just as he says, I 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:35.560 have to keep my eyes peeled, his camera flits across 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:39.520 a patch of lighter material nestled in a triangle of 0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:45.160 darkly contrasting stone. Then the moment is gone and Kenny 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:50.000 doesn't stop or notice it. This strange formation in the 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:54.840 canyon is the exact spot that Sewn Hollaker discovers in 0:29:55.000 --> 0:30:00.920 his exploration. Taken altogether, this has led some to believe 0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.880 that Kenny's cave had in fact been filled in during 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.520 the time between his discovery and his failed attempt to 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:14.760