Speaker 1: In late December twenty thirteen, a video was uploaded to
Speaker 1: the YouTube account of doctor Stephen Greer, a ufologist and
Speaker 1: founder of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence,
Speaker 1: titled Area fifty one Technician's Son Discloses Secret Alternative Energy.
Speaker 1: The sixteen minute clip is an interview with Paul H.
Speaker 1: Hut's about his father's involvement in a clandestine scientific project.
Speaker 1: For most of Paul's childhood, Ute Senior worked at Nellis
Speaker 1: Air Force Base in southern Nevada. Paul remembers him leaving
Speaker 1: every morning from the Las Vegas Airport close to their
Speaker 1: home and flying to Nellis, where he claimed to work
Speaker 1: as an optical engineer. Paul describes his dad as a quiet,
Speaker 1: conservative man, not prone to sharing details about his life.
Speaker 1: But in nineteen ninety three, after Yute Senior retired, he
Speaker 1: and the now adult Paul met at a bar. It
Speaker 1: seemed the alcohol loosened something in the old man. It
Speaker 1: seemed as though there was something he needed to get
Speaker 1: off his chest, a truth he'd been withholding for years.
Speaker 1: According to Paul, this was when his father confessed to
Speaker 1: him that he hadn't simply worked at Nellis Air Force
Speaker 1: base he'd worked at the infamous Area fifty one. This site,
Speaker 1: which is indeed a remote part of the Nellis Base,
Speaker 1: as many listeners will know, has been the center for
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories for decades. Most famously, according to some, it
Speaker 1: is thought to be the place where the remains of
Speaker 1: the Roswell incident were studied, but other rumors have a
Speaker 1: rude and persisted the development of exotic technologies, weather control,
Speaker 1: time travel, and even face to face meetings with visiting extraterrestrials.
Speaker 1: It's a site forever associated with shadowy, black ops and secret,
Speaker 1: perhaps dangerous knowledge. Paul Utes his father is said to
Speaker 1: have called it Dreamland. You're listening to Unexplained and I'm
Speaker 1: Richard McLean Smith. It was at Dreamland that Paul Utes
Speaker 1: claimed his father and his team specialized in reverse engineering
Speaker 1: and adapting advanced technologies. The provenance of technologies is never questioned.
Speaker 1: In Paul's YouTube interview, Paul says they were presented to
Speaker 1: his father's dead team by government agencies and universities, but
Speaker 1: where they got them is not discussed. One of the technologies, however,
Speaker 1: was apparently a new and unknown energy source. Paul has
Speaker 1: scant details to give, but he does say that his
Speaker 1: father described the device as containing a large amount of
Speaker 1: organic material and even potentially some degree of consciousness, though
Speaker 1: he doesn't elaborate on what his father meant by this.
Speaker 1: He does add, however, that when Yute Senior's team took
Speaker 1: the device out into the desert to activate it, it exploded.
Speaker 1: After these tantalizing hints of highly strange conspiracy, Paul's interview
Speaker 1: trails off into a long lament for a childhood marred
Speaker 1: by his father's career, how an atmosphere of secrecy suffocated
Speaker 1: the family and impeded Paul's social development. The video does
Speaker 1: not return to the nature of Eute Senia's work or
Speaker 1: its mysterious implications. It's at best a half mystery, intriguing
Speaker 1: for sure, with Paul's knowledge of military jargon and regional
Speaker 1: geography giving some weight to his story, but it's never
Speaker 1: more than an anecdotal contribution to the sweeping mythology of
Speaker 1: Area fifty one, and that's probably where the video's impact
Speaker 1: would have ended as a minor footnote in a grand conspiracy,
Speaker 1: were it not for a single reply posted in the
Speaker 1: comment section below the video. Nearly a year later, at
Speaker 1: first glance, it reads like a typically cooky bread crumb
Speaker 1: thrown at YouTube, either attention grabbing fiction or a paranoid
Speaker 1: upping of the ante. But that comment turned out to
Speaker 1: be the first digital link in a new chain of mystery,
Speaker 1: one that has stumped both online sleuths and real world
Speaker 1: investigators for over a decade, one that suggests there may
Speaker 1: be far stranger things waiting in the Nevaden dream land
Speaker 1: for those reckless enough to go looking. I am a
Speaker 1: long distance hiker. The comment began one time during one
Speaker 1: of my hikes out by Nellis Air Force Base. I
Speaker 1: found a hidden cave. The entrance was shaped like a
Speaker 1: perfect capital M. I always enter every cave I find,
Speaker 1: but as I began to enter this particular cave, my
Speaker 1: whole body began to vibrate. The closer I got to
Speaker 1: the cave entrance, the worse it became. Suddenly I became
Speaker 1: very scared and high tailed it out of there. That
Speaker 1: was one of the strangest things that ever happened to me.
Speaker 1: The poster went by the handle snake Bit McGee. Out
Speaker 1: in the real world. He was Kenny Veach, a forty
Speaker 1: seven year old outdoors enthusiast, and self proclaimed inventor from
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Kenny Veach frequently posted on other users' videos,
Speaker 1: typically about his prowess as an outdoorsman in the Mohart
Speaker 1: and Great Basin deserts. In one comment, he describes how
Speaker 1: my hikes are brutal on the body. Sometimes my toenails
Speaker 1: turn black and fall off. It takes me about three
Speaker 1: days to recover from the abuse I put myself through.
Speaker 1: He explains that his online monica was a reference to
Speaker 1: his reckless habit of picking up snakes during his excursions.
Speaker 1: In another post, he sets out his experience in the desert.
Speaker 1: I have been doing this sort of thing for over
Speaker 1: twenty years. I go where no one goes, and I
Speaker 1: never take any one with me. I high cover mountaintop
Speaker 1: after mountain top and sleep on peaks under the stars.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I have to scale giant cliffs just to get
Speaker 1: myself out of a jam, but I always make it back,
Speaker 1: beat up and tie it. Though his remarks are strewn
Speaker 1: across YouTube, Kenny's own footprint on the site is minimal.
Speaker 1: The snake bit McGee profile hosts only five videos, three
Speaker 1: of which demonstrate prototypes of his inventions. One is a
Speaker 1: new and improved toilet roll holder. Another is a polar
Speaker 1: bear figurine filled with luminescent beads that make it glow
Speaker 1: in the dark. He calls it the Glolar Bear and
Speaker 1: says he plans to submit it to the reality TV
Speaker 1: show Shark Tank as an investment opportunity. There's a sense
Speaker 1: of cheerful desperation to Kenny's videos. Another film documents an
Speaker 1: attempt to sell his house whilst hoping to be allowed
Speaker 1: to live on in the property as a caretaker of sorts.
Speaker 1: Watching the videos and reading Kenny's comments, you get the
Speaker 1: impression of an endearingly eccentric man, funny, energetic, and extremely
Speaker 1: confident in his own abilities, though it's hard to tell
Speaker 1: whether that confidence is hard earned and deserved, foolhardy, or
Speaker 1: camouflaged for a deeper insecurity. There is only one video
Speaker 1: that substantiates Kenny's claims of outdoor expertise. This is the
Speaker 1: now infamous m Cave Hike, the video that sits at
Speaker 1: the center of the mystery surrounding Kenny Veach. You made
Speaker 1: it as a response to the backlash he received to
Speaker 1: his comment on Paul Uts's video. After Kenny described the
Speaker 1: strange cave that scared him so badly. A number of
Speaker 1: YouTube users expressed doubts. Many were extremely skeptical, even hostile.
Speaker 1: Others were fascinated and encouraged Kenny to retrace his route
Speaker 1: and investigate further. One reply stands out, though, a user
Speaker 1: named Lemmy kill Mister wrote, No, don't go back there.
Speaker 1: If you find that cave entrance, don't go in. If
Speaker 1: you do, you won't get out. What makes you say that,
Speaker 1: Kenny asked, but he received no reply. Unmoved by the warning,
Speaker 1: or perhaps feeling the need to back up his self
Speaker 1: professed reputation, Kenny posted that he would make another trip
Speaker 1: into the desert and he would film it. The video
Speaker 1: he recorded would be the last footage the world. What
Speaker 1: Ever saw of Kenny veach m Cave Hike was uploaded
Speaker 1: to YouTube on October eighteenth, twenty fourteen. It is twenty
Speaker 1: two minutes in length and opens without fanfare or tidal
Speaker 1: cart on an unforgiving panorama. Far in the distance, a
Speaker 1: mountain range looms hazy in the morning light. The mountains
Speaker 1: roll down to a flat span of desert in the
Speaker 1: middle distance, before the land rises again toward the camera.
Speaker 1: In the immediate foreground, there is a scaffold, a crude
Speaker 1: assembly of wood and steel over a small hole in
Speaker 1: the ground, an old mine shaft, like a scene from
Speaker 1: an old Western. After a few seconds, we hear the
Speaker 1: crunch of approaching footsteps. Then a figure steps into the frame.
Speaker 1: This is Kenny Veach. He's a lean, wiry man with
Speaker 1: dark hair and sun blasted skin. He looks like someone
Speaker 1: who spends a lot of time outdoors. His clothing is
Speaker 1: a random assortment of technical and casual gear, all topped
Speaker 1: off with a floppy fishing hat. At its waist is
Speaker 1: a brown leather holster. He looks like someone experienced enough
Speaker 1: in the outdoors to know what he needs, not what
Speaker 1: looks good on camera. Kenny walks back and forth until
Speaker 1: he settles in the center of the frame. Then he
Speaker 1: turns to the camera with a smile.
Speaker 2: Well, here I am on my hike up here in
Speaker 2: the mountains north of Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: He turns to point at the view behind, tells us
Speaker 1: his truck is parked somewhere way out there, on the
Speaker 1: far side of what looked to be in possibly distant peaks.
Speaker 1: He switches stance and points to the mountains to the
Speaker 1: right side of the frame.
Speaker 2: On the other side of these mountains, I'll show you
Speaker 2: in a second is the bombing range, the Nellis Air
Speaker 2: Force Bombing Range. They do a lot of practice stuff
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: These details and other geographical features seen in the video
Speaker 1: have led experts to believe that Kenny was hiking in
Speaker 1: the Sheep Range, a sixty mile stretch of mountains running
Speaker 1: north to south in the Desert National Wildlife Refuge and
Speaker 1: named for the bighorn sheep that make their home amids
Speaker 1: the rock and rubble. Though it parallels Highway ninety three,
Speaker 1: it is the largest roadless area in Nevada. Clearly, Kenny
Speaker 1: is well oriented himself. He knows where he is and
Speaker 1: where he has been, pointing to the nearby gas peak,
Speaker 1: where he spent the night on his previous visit to
Speaker 1: the area. But on this day, his mission is a
Speaker 1: single day, ten hour hike looking for the cave that
Speaker 1: had so spooked him. M cave.
Speaker 2: The last time I came up here, I didn't I
Speaker 2: didn't have a side arm when I was here before, he.
Speaker 1: Gestures casually to the weapon now holsted on his hip.
Speaker 2: Something about that cave just spooked me. At all the
Speaker 2: caves I've ever gone in. This one just made my
Speaker 2: body vibrate. The closer I got to it, the crazier
Speaker 2: my body felt. And I was like, all right, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna go in there right now, but I'm coming
Speaker 2: back someday.
Speaker 1: The first section of Kenny's M Cave video lasts for
Speaker 1: six minutes. He speaks to the camera casually, telling the
Speaker 1: viewer that he has a big cooler of beer waiting
Speaker 1: for him in his truck because he didn't bring a
Speaker 1: lot of water with him and only a single candy bar.
Speaker 1: He emphasizes the length of his hike and the harshness
Speaker 1: of the terrain, establishing also that he's already at a
Speaker 1: significant altitude, telling us that a nearby mountain is around
Speaker 1: nine thousand feet that would put him somewhere close to
Speaker 1: Hayford Peak, the highest part of the range. Kenny then
Speaker 1: points out the next stage of his hike. He turns
Speaker 1: the camera to reveal a low rise on the far side.
Speaker 1: He tells us there is a canyon heading west towards
Speaker 1: Mount Charleston, a canyon that gets ever narrower, and in
Speaker 1: there somewhere is the M Cave. Seemingly reminded of his purpose.
Speaker 1: Kenny references being called out on YouTube for his claims
Speaker 1: of the cave's strange properties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if fault be freaked out like
Speaker 2: I was last time. There might have been a mountain
Speaker 2: lying in there, and it was just my sixth sense
Speaker 2: talking to me, So.
Speaker 1: He grins at the camera.
Speaker 2: If I find the cave, I'm definitely gonna set up
Speaker 2: my tripod over here, and uh, I'm gonna go check
Speaker 2: it out. So you'll see me with my gun in
Speaker 2: hand and my flashlight and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: The rest of the video continues in somewhat repetitive two
Speaker 1: or three minute chunks. Each leaps forward to a new
Speaker 1: stage of Kenny's hike. He discovers fresh pine nuts and
Speaker 1: pops them in his mouth. Much later, he stops to
Speaker 1: marvel at a large moha tortoise and tells us he
Speaker 1: got a great photo of a tarantula. So Kenny is
Speaker 1: looking for the cave. The video does not give the
Speaker 1: impression of a man possessed by singular purpose. He is
Speaker 1: enjoying his day in the desert. He's relaxed.
Speaker 2: Oh perfect right stage, look at that perfect Wow. So
Speaker 2: I'm a happy camper. I'm gonna collect these for a
Speaker 2: while and then hopefully we'll find that cave.
Speaker 1: Kenny doesn't have a compass with him, and he has
Speaker 1: an odd approach to self discipline.
Speaker 2: I don't have any supplies, you know. I bring water
Speaker 2: and I bring something to eat, but I kind of
Speaker 2: try to pretend that I'm running out or I don't
Speaker 2: have it, just so I can see how far I
Speaker 2: can actually go before I feel like I'm in trouble.
Speaker 2: That way, if I ever do get in trouble, I
Speaker 2: know when I should start panicking.
Speaker 1: Despite the stark, frightening beauty of the desert, there is
Speaker 1: little in the video that appears strange or out of place,
Speaker 1: but two details catch the eye. Around thirteen minutes, Kenny's
Speaker 1: camera lens lingers on an unusual rock formation, a patch
Speaker 1: of stone that looks different to the rock around it,
Speaker 1: almost like brickwork set into the hillside. Beside it, there
Speaker 1: is what looks in passing more like a ruined stone
Speaker 1: structure than a natural outcrop. Kenny pauses for a moment,
Speaker 1: gives a curious hum, then moves on. Towards the very
Speaker 1: end of the video, he cuts to the lonely profile
Speaker 1: of a ram standing on a cliff edge. It's an
Speaker 1: animal native to the area, but it looks eerie none
Speaker 1: the less. When it turns its horned head in Kenny's direction,
Speaker 1: it's hard not to feel that the creature has sensed
Speaker 1: the interloper from its distant perch. And then the adventure
Speaker 1: is over. Suddenly, the film cuts to the canyon mouth,
Speaker 1: where the tight wind opens up on to the hard
Speaker 1: packed floor of the Great Basin.
Speaker 2: Well, I did not find the cave. That is so.
Speaker 1: Weird, Kenny sounds more surprised and disappointed here.
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought for sure I was just going
Speaker 2: to be able to find it. I remember it being
Speaker 2: fairly easy. Who knows, But that's it. I'll talk to
Speaker 2: you when I get back to my truck.
Speaker 1: My back, And with that it begins the remaining three
Speaker 1: mile trek to his car, with its tantalizing promise of
Speaker 1: cold beer. When Kenny uploaded his failed hike to m Cave,
Speaker 1: it was met by an intense blast of skepticism and negativity.
Speaker 1: Fellow YouTubers angrily insisted that he'd fabricated the entire story.
Speaker 1: After several weeks of this, Kenny posted a reply, I'm
Speaker 1: going again this weekend, he wrote, I'll be hiking solo
Speaker 1: for three days and plan on covering about forty miles.
Speaker 1: I will cross through the same canyon where I found
Speaker 1: the cave. If I don't find it again, I'll just
Speaker 1: continue hiking over mountain after mountain to the north of
Speaker 1: the canyon. Kenny sounded incensed by his followers attitudes. He continued,
Speaker 1: I dare any of the people that like to run
Speaker 1: their mouths on here to join me. My hike's are
Speaker 1: brutal on the body. There's no guarantee that I will
Speaker 1: find the cave again. The region that I cover is vast.
Speaker 1: There are many caves. I have been in hundreds of them.
Speaker 1: The m Cave is the only cave I ever feared
Speaker 1: going inside. I really want to find it again. It
Speaker 1: was November tenth, twenty fourteen, when Kenny ventured out to
Speaker 1: the Sheep Range for the third time. All we know
Speaker 1: is that he set out in his truck that morning
Speaker 1: with a cell phone and the necessary supplies for a
Speaker 1: multi day hike. He told him his girlfriend, Sherrion Pilgrim,
Speaker 1: that he would be gone for a few days. When
Speaker 1: he didn't return after three, she raised the alarm. In
Speaker 1: the days following Sheryon's report, the Las Vegas based Red
Speaker 1: Rock Search and Rescue located Kenny's truck. Led by Commander
Speaker 1: Dave Cummings. They followed Kenny's trail to that first mine
Speaker 1: shaft featured in the m cave hike video. Lying on
Speaker 1: the ground near the borded shaft entrance, they found Kenny's
Speaker 1: cell phone. Efforts intensified to find Kenny. Other crews poured
Speaker 1: in from surrounding areas, with over thirty rescuers conducting three
Speaker 1: separate searches. A helicopter surveyed the scene but found no
Speaker 1: sign of Kenny, his camp, or his trail. Commander Cummings
Speaker 1: told reporters that there was no visible trail leading away
Speaker 1: from the mine. It doesn't mean he went down the
Speaker 1: mine shaft. He hedged, but we tracked him as far
Speaker 1: as we can. In the days that followed Kenny's disappearance,
Speaker 1: with comments and conspiracies already boiling up online, Kenny's girlfriend
Speaker 1: Sherrion posted an unexpected note under the mkve hike video.
Speaker 1: In it, she first acknowledges the interest and sadness of
Speaker 1: other posters before confirming that Kenny has not been found,
Speaker 1: and suggesting that he would likely not be found for many,
Speaker 1: many months if ever. She then goes on to explain
Speaker 1: that she and Kenny had hiked often together in the desert,
Speaker 1: and though Kenny was more daring than her, they always
Speaker 1: took appropriate precaution that led her to a sad conclusion.
Speaker 1: I want you to know that I do not think
Speaker 1: Kenny had an accident, Sheririon writes, I believe he committed suicide.
Speaker 1: He battled depression for many years and would not take
Speaker 1: medication or see a doctor. Sherrian suspected that Kenny left
Speaker 1: his phone where he did so that he could not
Speaker 1: be tracked by the GPS. She also points out that
Speaker 1: this time he had left the video camera at home
Speaker 1: because he had no intention of filming anything. She concluded
Speaker 1: her message with a plea to those who may be
Speaker 1: inspired to go looking for Kenny or the m Cave,
Speaker 1: please please be careful, enjoy your adventures of life, and
Speaker 1: thank you for the kind, loving comments sent my way.
Speaker 1: For some, Sheririan's assumption of suicide is the most reasonable explanation.
Speaker 1: Others suggest that Kenny simply had an accident, got lost, dehydrated,
Speaker 1: or fell prey to the countless spiders, rattlesnakes, and scorpions
Speaker 1: that routinely skitter across the desert floor. Some point out
Speaker 1: that the area is a known hotspot for criminal activity
Speaker 1: and that Kenny may have stumbled into something he shouldn't
Speaker 1: and was murdered as a result, but some suggest there
Speaker 1: are other lines that Kenny could have unknowingly crossed. Thousands
Speaker 1: of comments on the mk video still fixate on nearby
Speaker 1: Nellis Air Force Base and the infamous Area fifty one.
Speaker 1: After all, in the video itself, Kenny points out that
Speaker 1: the base and its test sites are located just over
Speaker 1: and nearby Mountain One. Theory in particular relates to the
Speaker 1: intense fear and physical vibration that Kenny said he experienced
Speaker 1: near the m Cave. Commentators have pointed out that both
Speaker 1: are symptoms theoretically ascribed to the effects of infrasound. Infrasound
Speaker 1: is a term used to describe sound waves with a
Speaker 1: frequency below the normal limits of human hearing, generally considered
Speaker 1: to be twenty hurts or less. Though the vast majority
Speaker 1: of humans fail to perceive such sounds, many feel the
Speaker 1: waves as physical vibrations in their body. More surprisingly, exposure
Speaker 1: to infrasound may prompt feelings of extreme fear or awe.
Speaker 1: Several academics have tested this hypothesis, with the psychologist Richard
Speaker 1: Wiseman going as far as to suggest that infrasound could
Speaker 1: be an explanation for supposedly supernatural accounts, as especially the
Speaker 1: perception of ghosts. In an experiment at the University of Hertfordshire,
Speaker 1: a blind sample of participants was exposed to infrasound of
Speaker 1: seventeen hertz. Twenty two percent reported feelings of unease, nervousness,
Speaker 1: or outright terror among the more conspiratorially minded. Many think
Speaker 1: that Kenny Veitch came under the influence of infrasound on
Speaker 1: his first visit to the m Cave, sending him fleeing
Speaker 1: in fear without cause or understanding. Even Kenny had no
Speaker 1: rational explanation for his apparent reaction. But if there was
Speaker 1: infrasound emanating from the m Cave, that is only half
Speaker 1: an answer. It doesn't give any closure to the question
Speaker 1: of Kenny's whereabouts, and a few strange details given extra
Speaker 1: twist to the mystery. First, Kenny's comment under the Paul
Speaker 1: Utes interview and the forbidding warning posted by Lemmy Kilmister
Speaker 1: that Kenny should stay well away from the M Cave
Speaker 1: have both since been deleted from YouTube. Indeed, a great
Speaker 1: number of the more recent posts on the utes and
Speaker 1: M Cave hike video are now exclusively about those deletions,
Speaker 1: with many seeing it as a sign of a potential
Speaker 1: cover up. Second since Kenny's disappearance, many have continued to
Speaker 1: look for the cave. The Internet is littered with search videos, updates,
Speaker 1: and claims to have discovered the site. In truth, there
Speaker 1: was little to be gleaned from the vast majority of them.
Speaker 1: That was until twenty nineteen, when a professional hiker and
Speaker 1: YouTuber named Sean Neil Horlocker published a video retracing Kenny's
Speaker 1: exact route. In it, Horlocker roams the canyons until he
Speaker 1: comes across a strange looking rock formation, partially obscured behind
Speaker 1: desert brush. Close to the ground. There is indeed a
Speaker 1: sharply arched pattern to the dark rock that isn't unlike
Speaker 1: a letter M, but where a cave mouth could potentially be,
Speaker 1: there are layers of much lighter stone. To the naked eye,
Speaker 1: it does look like a space that has been filled in,
Speaker 1: as shorn All Lucar notes of the strange pattern in
Speaker 1: the rock. Each of the rocks filling the hole seem
Speaker 1: to stand separate. I don't even know how these are
Speaker 1: sitting here right now, he says excitedly to the camera.
Speaker 1: How are they holding themselves up? Upon closer inspection, the
Speaker 1: stones seem unusually flat and well fitted together. Holuca also
Speaker 1: points out what he regards as an artificial seam in
Speaker 1: the base of the rock, complete with a white substance
Speaker 1: that he says resembles a sealant. He then peers into
Speaker 1: a gap between the rocks and finds what appears to
Speaker 1: be the beginning of a cavity. Shortly after peering into
Speaker 1: the obscured cave, Horlocer begins to cough. This quickly accelerates
Speaker 1: to breathlessness and nausea. Within minutes, he is vomiting. He
Speaker 1: only starts to recover when he leaves the scene. As
Speaker 1: with any mystery pursued online, it's difficult to find any
Speaker 1: certain foothold from which to start. We only ever have
Speaker 1: the subjective, edited and curated videos of Kenny and those
Speaker 1: like Sean Horlocker who follow in its footsteps and from
Speaker 1: the prevailing comments. It's near impossible to if the fiction
Speaker 1: and trolling from ernest hypothesis, but there is one substantial
Speaker 1: link between Kenny's and Sean Hollocker's footage. At fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: and forty seconds on Kenny Veach's m Cave hike video,
Speaker 1: Kenny is becoming frustrated by his inability to find the cave.
Speaker 1: The footage scans across a canyon wall, resting momentarily on
Speaker 1: each opening in the rock. Just as he says, I
Speaker 1: have to keep my eyes peeled, his camera flits across
Speaker 1: a patch of lighter material nestled in a triangle of
Speaker 1: darkly contrasting stone. Then the moment is gone and Kenny
Speaker 1: doesn't stop or notice it. This strange formation in the
Speaker 1: canyon is the exact spot that Sewn Hollaker discovers in
Speaker 1: his exploration. Taken altogether, this has led some to believe
Speaker 1: that Kenny's cave had in fact been filled in during
Speaker 1: the time between his discovery and his failed attempt to
Speaker 1: relocate it, and if Horlocker's supposition is true, this was
Speaker 1: not the result of natural processes. This episode was written
Speaker 1: by Neil McRobert and produced by me Richard McLain Smith.
Speaker 1: Neil is the creator and host of his own brilliant
Speaker 1: podcast called Talking Scat, in which he discusses the craft
Speaker 1: of horror, writing with everyone from Tnanerieve Do to the
Speaker 1: God of Horror himself, Stephen King. I can't recommend it
Speaker 1: highly enough. Unexplained as an AV Club Productions podcast created
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Speaker 1: including the music, were also produced by me. Richard McLain's
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