WEBVTT - Should men sit when they pee? 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.680 I'm Manny, I'm Noah, and this is no such thing. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.720 The show where we settle our drump arguments and yours 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:10.360 by actually doing the research. On today's episode, we're asking 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.520 whether men should sit while they pee. We'll find out 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:17.280 whether there are any benefits, medical or otherwise by talking 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.320 to a urologist who went viral for his take on this. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:31.680 There's no no such thing, no such thing such thank touch. 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.520 All right, so I'm watching or rewatching the greatest TV 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:45.240 show of all time. Curb your enthusiast. Okay, curb your enthusiasm. 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:49.400 Larry's dad comes over and he leaves the toilet seat up, 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:51.720 and Larry goes up to him and says, dad, you 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:53.199 got to put the toy seat down. He say, well, 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.400 you pussy whooped. You know the Cheryl's making you do that? 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:56.600 And he's like, no, it's for me. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:57.800 I peece sitting down. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.400 I was getting up to go at night sometime and 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.760 I didn't feel like putting the light on, so I 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.480 would sit down. And then I figured, you know, I 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:06.760 got I got very comfortable with it. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.640 You know what Winston Churchill said, why stand when you 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:10.040 can sit? 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:11.280 Have you ever heard that expression? 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:11.399 No? 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:13.320 I never heard that expression, but yeah, I don't think 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:14.200 he meant the toilet. 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.080 And then it's a plot device because later in the episode, 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.880 Cheryl leaves the seat up, he falls in a toilet, 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:25.120 and then he's walking around with a king So, uh, that's. 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.400 And you you sit when you pee. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:31.160 Sometimes, Yes, especially when I'm home, not in public. If 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:33.920 I never sit down in pee in public. When I'm 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.280 at home, I sit down in pee a lot of 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.199 the time. Yeah, if I'm in a rush, I don't. Yeah, 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.360 But if I'm just going to pee and I got time, 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:42.880 I love to sit. Love the sit. 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.200 Yeah, and you too, Yeah, I'd say it's the only 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.480 time I'm standing is if I'm I just came in, 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.160 I really need to go or something, I still have 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.559 everything on, then I'm running in there getting it done. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.440 But otherwise I'd say it's ninety percent more. Oh, that's 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:01.280 how I'm sitting because same reasons. It's ld I've got 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:01.960 magazines in. 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.080 There, chilling, I mean, relax phones now. 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:05.840 Also, yeah, who I mean, who knows what else I 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:07.960 might want to get up to when I'm in there. 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.680 Oh yeah, you know, you might want to go. You 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.160 might want to go from one see. 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:13.600 My options open that's why I want to go from 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.320 one day it's also like what's what's the rush? You know, 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.840 and it feels it feels nicer. You can't go and yeah, 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.959 no aim, it's cleaner and don't need to worry about 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:23.680 the seat situation. 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:25.480 So then how long are you in there? You go there, 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.400 you go into p and you sit down, So what 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:29.799 are like, how long are you in there? 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:32.000 It could be a minute, it can end up being 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.000 three minutes. Ye could be fine because I can you know, 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.480 then it's like, oh, I finish this paragraph, get to 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.000 the next line, break if I need to. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:43.359 If I'm reading, I mean, I don't sit on my pee, 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:48.120 and I don't think I would. I feel like I'm 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.720 just wanting to be in a bathroom as little time 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:51.360 as possible. 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.240 Why is that you don't like you've got a beautiful, 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:55.280 clean bathroom in there. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.160 Well, it's just I mean, it's a bathroom. If I 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.440 want to like relax or whatever, I'll I'll just go 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:01.440 to my couch. 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:02.360 When you pop. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:03.440 Yeah you do it? 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.680 Number two? Yeah you ever just you're done and you 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:07.760 just just hang out a little bit. 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:08.000 Yeah. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.919 I guess it depends on if I was reading something 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.040 like something like an article or something. I might stick 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.040 around that's it. I might maybe to get to the 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.200 end of the sentence, but I'm not just hang ok. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.280 Kind of quick any of the sentence that's in and out. 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:20.400 Yeah, I don't know. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:21.840 You're not out in the bathroom. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.040 No, not really. I'm surprised to hear that it's only 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:25.360 a hanging out in there. 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.040 I mean, why after a shower might just sit down, 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.400 put the lotion on. You might have read a few articles, 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.840 you know, what's your rush alone time for me? 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.160 Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know in my head the 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.119 way you're describing it. I just feel like I would 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.960 get the relaxation or the hanging out just somewhere else 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:44.400 in the house. 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.480 I meant, listen, most of my hanging out is not 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.680 in the bathroom. But it's just like, why stress myself 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.480 out by standing and then worrying about. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.280 Is it stressed out? That's a stand versus sitting in. 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.360 Yeah, it's like now I need to pay I need 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:57.640 to pay attention to where this is going. 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.920 Yeah, I can understand that part where like it's probably 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.800 a cleaner experience if you sit because it's going direct. 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:06.960 Nowhere. Do you have a lot of lights on in 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.400 your house at night. No, so this is the perfect 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:11.280 reason why you should. 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.200 You could be in the full full darkness. 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.160 I don't turn a light on in my house when 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:15.840 I go at night. 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:16.760 Oh, I see what you're saying. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:17.359 You just go. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.960 You don't need to turn it on because you're aiming, 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:20.760 and you're not aiming. 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.600 You don't got to look at where it went. You 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.040 know where it went. You're sitting down. 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.520 There's only one place for it to go, and it's going. 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:29.760 This is fascinating. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.800 When I'm standing up, then I'm like, God, turn the 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:32.159 light on. 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.240 It might mess up your whole night asleep. Yes, now 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.840 that this bright lights flashing open my eu, it might 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.479 as well just stay up. But you know, go to 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:41.000 the office. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.960 Some of what you guys are saying makes sense. One 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.880 thing I'll take issue with is that it's easier to 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.719 sit down to be it is when I'm already standing. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.800 No, you're thinking of ease as in in and out. 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.160 Yeah, does it take you so so long to sit down? 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:57.120 That's what I don't get you. 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.320 It doesn't like it's this, It doesn't it doesn't take 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.440 so long, but it takes longer. Like so that's all 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.000 I'm saying, I mean half a second. Yeah, yeah, but 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.000 that's technically harder. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:13.800 Than but does LEMP doesn't necessarily dictate hardness well. 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.800 Because then you're spending time cleaning up in ways we 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.040 don't have to probably balances out. We should do a test, honestly, 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:21.240 start stop. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.760 Watching in my head. I go into the bathroom. It's 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:28.479 more streamlined to remain standing than like pulling my pants down, 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:34.080 turning around, squatting down to the toilet. How are you 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:41.160 like I pull my penis out the box over the top. Okay, 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.000 I've never I don't ever do through. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:45.360 In a public restroom. 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.400 In a public restroom, I'm going over the top. I'm 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:49.360 going over the top of no matter. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.479 I guess I usually am just doing that. I guess. 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:56.520 I do all. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:06.640 Yeah, I'm a two way player. Here's the difference. Now 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.800 we're adults. Yes, we can change, and I think it 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.880 might be worth it for me to try peeing sitting 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.839 down for a while, log exactly what am I trying 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:18.800 to figure out? If it's a nicer ex if you like. 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.360 It more, yeah, that's all. Okay, just see how you feel. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.320 If you feel like, oh you're wasting time? Are you 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.160 getting antsy. Do you actually find it comforting or are 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:27.719 you like just annoyed by the process? 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.200 Okay, and I guess part of this too, right. I 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.159 didn't start doing this till I was older, you know, 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.080 because as a kid, you're told you're a man. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:37.159 Yeah, it's toxic men. 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.080 When they pee, that's for girls. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:47.160 No one told me that. No one ever said give 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:48.840 the talk. That's my experience. 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.279 Then how did you learn? How did you? Why are 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:51.719 you standing? 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.479 You don't think society pressured you into this? 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.680 Why are you if no one told you men, why 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:00.520 do you stand when you pee? I told you that. 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.960 Well, look who taught you that? I don't know. I 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.680 think we should look into like the history of this. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.720 Did men ever sit when they peed? 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.800 You know, we all have very different background. I wonder 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:17.720 if our bodies are actually designed for us to be 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.280 standing while we're ping. I know we do it for 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:24.360 convenience sake, but I wonder if scientifically it's better it 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:25.760 would be better for us to sit down. 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.720 Yeah, my guess is it's better to sit down. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.680 That's interesting, I think, Yeah, I don't know. 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.200 And hygienically I bet it's better too, mm hmmm. 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.440 And then yeah, you mentioned just a few moments ago. 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:40.360 The cultural aspect. I wonder if around the world there 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.040 are different rates of yes. 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.000 Yeah, so we did. I did look up. There's a 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.200 survey from our friends that you go do we want 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.040 to guess which country has the least amount of men 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:52.200 who say they sit down. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:53.880 And the least amount. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.960 Yeah, I would guess like some toxically male like the United. 0:07:57.960 --> 0:07:58.600 At least amount. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:04.880 Least Yeah, Russia, also the US, it's Mexico. Oh so 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.200 six percent of men there say they sit down every 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:12.520 every time, a strong thirty six percent never sit down, 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:14.120 They would never sit down. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.000 To Well that's manny. Have you ever sat down to 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:18.400 pe on purpose. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:19.760 Not explicitly to pee? 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:20.120 Yeah. 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.120 Sometimes I'll go down there thinking I need. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.080 Yeah, one two combination, and only one comes down. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:26.960 fair enough, now it does not that don't count. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.000 But I've never been like, I'm gonna sit on this 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:30.400 thing to just peak. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.600 So you've never sat down just to pee on purpose, 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:34.240 not that you could remember. 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:36.160 Not that I can remember. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.000 Wow, this is gonna but you have to record the 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:39.360 first time. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:40.560 I can't wait to hear this. 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:42.640 We need we need to be in the room. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:44.600 I'll take it video. 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.120 Yeah, the flip side is the country with the most 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.200 men who sit down to pe. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:51.880 Gotta be scanningaving country. 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:58.440 Germany, Oh, every time, everything versus ten percent never, So 0:08:58.520 --> 0:08:59.880 that's interesting. I mean Germany. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.160 I wonder if bathrooms in Europe are cleaner than they 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:02.520 are here. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.559 Oh, definitely, at least like yeah, public ones probably, Yeah, probably. 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.720 More infrastructure set up for it. They like to follow 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.160 rules and you know, be very rigid in some woods. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.280 Has any of us been in Germany? 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:14.920 Yeah? 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.400 In Germany. Yeah, the big train station in Munich. I 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.560 was in an overnight train. I needed to take a shower, 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:24.280 and I heard that, uh, there was a facility in 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.400 the train station where you could take a shower. And 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:30.040 I'm running around trying to find it. But I'm imagining 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.679 the most disgusting thing ever. Like if you told me 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:34.880 in Grand Central. 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:35.480 There was a shower. 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.200 Yeah, yeah, you're getting like, you know, you're gonna be 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:39.040 devoid or something. 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:40.680 You're gonna be dirtier at the end of the shower. 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.280 Yeah. But I but I got to the place and 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:44.040 it was pretty clean. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:44.800 Yep. 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.760 It was like four showers for men, four showers for women, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.760 and bathrooms surrounding it. Place was pretty clean. 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.160 It seems like it had been washed but didn't last. 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.959 Yeah, just more uh more attentive to that stuff. Okay, 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:03.199 So of Germans p sitting down, I wonder if I mean, 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.199 is there are there benefits to it, like beyond you 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:10.160 guys feeling comfortable when you pee? What are some of the. 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.719 Are the health benefits? Benefits? 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.640 Let's do two things. Okay, let's figure out if men 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.880 should be sitting when they pee. And then the second 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.160 thing is, I'm going to keep a record of maybe 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.600 one week long. Yes, if I'm at my apartment, I'll 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.320 sit down to pee, Yes, and I'll just kind of 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:31.520 log my experience. 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.480 I want to take some voice memos. 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:34.719 Yeah. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.280 Yeah, that's talking through your sitting down, especially the first 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.160 time you do it. I really want to hear that. Yeah, 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:42.319 I want to hear it in the background. 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:43.640 I think you're gonna like what you find. 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.520 All right, after the break, we'll be hearing from a 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:52.080 urologist about whether men should sit down when they pee. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:03.080 All right, we're back. I'm Manny, I'm Noah. Last time 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:07.040 we were here, we talked about men sitting versus standing 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:11.160 while they pee. You both like to sit. I like 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.440 to stand, but when I was looking for an expert 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.760 who could tell us whether we should be sitting. One 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:18.400 name just kept coming up. 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.800 Yeah, So it's Gerald Noah as Jerry Collins. I'm the 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:29.080 consultant geological surgeon. I have been for quite a few 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.600 years now. I'm from Ireland, too public gather, but I'm 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.360 based in Manchester in the UK. 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.240 So doctor Gerald Collins is a urologist who went kind 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.280 of viral, no pun intended. There were all of these 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:45.160 articles with titles like You've been peeing wrong your whole life, 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:50.760 and they cited him talking about like the anatomical process 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.920 of peeing. But I interviewed doctor Collins, and the more 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.640 I talked to him, the more I realized that these 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.400 headlines were kind of misleading, which we will get to later, 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:03.800 but first I want to play a SoundBite from the 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.160 interview that kind of captures just how many people care 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:08.080 about this topic. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.960 I was interviewed by the Telegraph and my sort of 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.080 initial reaction was, you know, well, this is one of 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:19.120 those little quirky, bit of fun type questions. But it 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.400 ended up in a sort of full page spread on 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:25.719 the Sunday Telegraph. And then I was contacted by Babe Scotland, 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.440 and I was contacted by other people. I was even 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.200 contacted by Radio New Zealand. So clearly it caught the 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:37.680 public imagination, which things do sometimes, bizarre things do. When 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.760 I looked into a little bit, there was a lot 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.840 more to this than I initially was expecting. 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.760 So then I was curious about where this kind of 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:46.240 fascination began. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:50.720 Population surveys were what started this off, really, and in 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.800 the last few years, something like forty percent of Germans 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.160 sit down to avoid, and in fact there's been some 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:01.199 public health initiatives there encouraging them to do so. Apparently 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:05.240 some public toilets in Germany have some sort of electronic 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.400 prompt requesting the mail to sit. So in the UK 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.440 twenty five twenty four percent, so one in four people 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.439 sit to avoid. That's quite a high. If you'd asked 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.160 me my guests or that before I knew that, I 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.720 would have said maybe ten percent something like that. And 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.880 then you look at Japan, we're seventy percent seven zero 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.160 percent to void. So it turned out that this was 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:30.200 a far more relevant tissue than perhaps I ear. Indeed, 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.280 many others appreciated. 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.559 Seventy percent of men in Japan, I mean they weren't 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.040 even in the Yugov survey, so congrats to them on 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.839 yet another innovation around the world. It sounds like more 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.760 and more people are sitting to to void, as he 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:50.040 says for listeners, to void just means to pee. I 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:51.480 think it's like the medical way to say it. 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.320 We're a silent majority, yeah or yeah yeah, something. 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.120 Like silent super majority. You know. I think it is 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.880 fascinating as someone who would prefer to stand. Uh, there 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:07.760 is clearly a wave of sitting peers growing across around 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.960 the world, and so naturally my next question is why 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:12.000 why is that happening. 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.800 To answer that question, I think there's two elements to 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.200 look at, really, and what is the target? The other 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.120 is the peer If you want so the target, let's 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:28.200 assume the targets are toilet bolt. I think it's to 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.560 do with this concept of you know, is there an 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.600 infection risk to you or others? Well, if you stand 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.000 and pee into a toilet bulb, what's happening. Well, what's 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.280 happening there is You've got a static reservoir of liquid 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.640 in the bolt. So if you direct a force fome 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:48.880 stream into that, you will agitate the reservoir of organisms 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:53.560 or bacteria, and you will generate droplets just like me speaking, 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.880 are you speaking? And those droplets will have the ability 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:01.160 to travel they considerable distem you know, one two meters 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:04.400 or whatever. So in theory you could rationalize that anything 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.040 within Latin August will be contaminating. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.560 Doctor Collins tells me that there is probably more contamination 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.000 happening when you stand to pee, but he also wants 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:19.680 people to ask themselves what contamination means to them. All day, 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:24.160 every day, we're exposing ourselves to various forms of bacterial contamination, 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.160 and it might just be the case that when we 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:30.080 stand to pee, that level of contamination, when compared to 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.160 the rest of our days, is probably only a drop 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.480 in the bucket or toilet bowl. 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.840 Contamination that you will get from a strong flow into 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.160 a toilet bowl is negligible in my view. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.120 He's saying that one of the biggest reasons why more 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.800 people are sitting while they pee is essentially to avoid 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:53.160 this contamination that's happening in bathrooms where you're directing your 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:57.600 pee into the static reservoir of water in the toilet bowl, 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:01.600 and then that is causing germs and bacteria to be 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.800 spread about. So if you want a cleaner environment, you 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:07.680 could sit down while you pee. 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.680 And is that because there's less distance between the stream 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:12.600 is as powerful? 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.320 That's number one. Number two is that when you're sitting, 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.520 your stream is not going directly into that water. It's 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.480 going into the front of the and then it's trickling 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:23.160 its way down. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:28.760 It's much quieter experience. Yeah, sensitive ears. 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:29.240 Now. 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.040 He tells me that the contam the level of contamination 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.200 that happens, like he was saying at the end of 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:40.480 there's pretty negligible. But if you're these societies around the 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.760 world and you don't care if it's negligible, you just 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.960 want to be cleaner, then you're gonna direct your citizens 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:47.080 to sit down. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:49.680 That makes sense. I mean, it reminds me of you know, 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.160 he's explaining the spread of these things, and it reminds 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.840 you of those early COVID graphics two people talking and 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.960 all the particles spitting obviously effect. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.040 So, like we were talking about the other day, I 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:07.000 wanted to ask him whether there were actual health benefits, Like, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:11.160 maybe the level of contamination is negligible, but are there 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:15.000 other reasons you would want to sit while you pee? 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:21.600 Yes, definitely, it would be BPA stands for benign prostatic hyperplasia. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.520 What happens is when you hit your forties, the prostate 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.399 starts to enlarge in the vast majority of men, and 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:32.080 that's due to a changing hormodal environment within the prostate, 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:36.359 and of those men, a significant proportion of problems because 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.200 of the location of the prostate. 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.800 Basically, the prostate is a gland that wraps around the urethra, 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.479 and if you develop an enlarged prostate later in life, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.760 it can compress on the urethra and make it more 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:54.359 difficult to pee. Symptoms including a weaker flow of urine 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.879 and having to go to the bathroom more often. 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.760 And I was a bit of drawing earlier when I 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.720 was just waiting for you. I'll draw an octoppation, secretary, 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.720 because I think it's very helpful. But I'm just going to. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:10.560 Show you, okay. So at this point, doctor Collins draws 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:15.520 fore a diagram of the shape and trajectory of the 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:21.760 average urethra, and it's like inside of a cartoony human midsection. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.119 This is a you, Maddie. This is you lying down. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.280 There's your bottom, there's your tubby up here. 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:32.800 Okay, uh huh, it's you quite accurate depiction of me. Actually, 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.800 quick note for the listeners. Obviously this is a podcast 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.320 and you can't see the drawing, but I'll include it 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:42.520 in the corresponding substack for this episode on No Such 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.800 Thing Dot Show. Basically, the urethra does like a thirty 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:52.119 degree angle turn inside and through your pros state. So 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.840 if you imagine yourself peeing while standing up, the urethra 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.800 kind of goes towards your back first before it makes 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.320 that angle turned towards your front. And if you are 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.000 an older man and you have an enlarged prostate, this 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:11.760 condition bph that thirty degree angle becomes more like a 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.200 ninety degree angle, and it makes it much more difficult 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:19.000 to pass urine. And one way to make it easier 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.840 to pass urine and that specific context is to sit 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:29.160 down while up. I had a few more questions for him. 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.360 The first one was I just kind of wanted to know, 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:35.680 like the history men peeing while they were standing up, 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:37.719