Speaker 1: I'm Manny, I'm Noah, and this is no such thing.
Speaker 1: The show where we settle our drump arguments and yours
Speaker 1: by actually doing the research. On today's episode, we're asking
Speaker 1: whether men should sit while they pee. We'll find out
Speaker 1: whether there are any benefits, medical or otherwise by talking
Speaker 1: to a urologist who went viral for his take on this.
Speaker 1: There's no no such thing, no such thing such thank touch.
Speaker 2: All right, so I'm watching or rewatching the greatest TV
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Speaker 2: Larry's dad comes over and he leaves the toilet seat up,
Speaker 2: and Larry goes up to him and says, dad, you
Speaker 2: got to put the toy seat down. He say, well,
Speaker 2: you pussy whooped. You know the Cheryl's making you do that?
Speaker 2: And he's like, no, it's for me.
Speaker 1: I peece sitting down.
Speaker 3: I was getting up to go at night sometime and
Speaker 3: I didn't feel like putting the light on, so I
Speaker 3: would sit down. And then I figured, you know, I
Speaker 3: got I got very comfortable with it.
Speaker 4: You know what Winston Churchill said, why stand when you
Speaker 4: can sit?
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard that expression?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: I never heard that expression, but yeah, I don't think
Speaker 4: he meant the toilet.
Speaker 2: And then it's a plot device because later in the episode,
Speaker 2: Cheryl leaves the seat up, he falls in a toilet,
Speaker 2: and then he's walking around with a king So, uh, that's.
Speaker 1: And you you sit when you pee.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, Yes, especially when I'm home, not in public. If
Speaker 2: I never sit down in pee in public. When I'm
Speaker 2: at home, I sit down in pee a lot of
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, if I'm in a rush, I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But if I'm just going to pee and I got time,
Speaker 2: I love to sit. Love the sit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you too, Yeah, I'd say it's the only
Speaker 4: time I'm standing is if I'm I just came in,
Speaker 4: I really need to go or something, I still have
Speaker 4: everything on, then I'm running in there getting it done.
Speaker 4: But otherwise I'd say it's ninety percent more. Oh, that's
Speaker 4: how I'm sitting because same reasons. It's ld I've got
Speaker 4: magazines in.
Speaker 1: There, chilling, I mean, relax phones now.
Speaker 4: Also, yeah, who I mean, who knows what else I
Speaker 4: might want to get up to when I'm in there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, you might want to go. You
Speaker 2: might want to go from one see.
Speaker 4: My options open that's why I want to go from
Speaker 4: one day it's also like what's what's the rush? You know,
Speaker 4: and it feels it feels nicer. You can't go and yeah,
Speaker 4: no aim, it's cleaner and don't need to worry about
Speaker 4: the seat situation.
Speaker 1: So then how long are you in there? You go there,
Speaker 1: you go into p and you sit down, So what
Speaker 1: are like, how long are you in there?
Speaker 4: It could be a minute, it can end up being
Speaker 4: three minutes. Ye could be fine because I can you know,
Speaker 4: then it's like, oh, I finish this paragraph, get to
Speaker 4: the next line, break if I need to.
Speaker 1: If I'm reading, I mean, I don't sit on my pee,
Speaker 1: and I don't think I would. I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: just wanting to be in a bathroom as little time
Speaker 1: as possible.
Speaker 4: Why is that you don't like you've got a beautiful,
Speaker 4: clean bathroom in there.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just I mean, it's a bathroom. If I
Speaker 1: want to like relax or whatever, I'll I'll just go
Speaker 1: to my couch.
Speaker 2: When you pop.
Speaker 1: Yeah you do it?
Speaker 2: Number two? Yeah you ever just you're done and you
Speaker 2: just just hang out a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess it depends on if I was reading something
Speaker 1: like something like an article or something. I might stick
Speaker 1: around that's it. I might maybe to get to the
Speaker 1: end of the sentence, but I'm not just hang ok.
Speaker 2: Kind of quick any of the sentence that's in and out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You're not out in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: No, not really. I'm surprised to hear that it's only
Speaker 1: a hanging out in there.
Speaker 2: I mean, why after a shower might just sit down,
Speaker 2: put the lotion on. You might have read a few articles,
Speaker 2: you know, what's your rush alone time for me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know in my head the
Speaker 1: way you're describing it. I just feel like I would
Speaker 1: get the relaxation or the hanging out just somewhere else
Speaker 1: in the house.
Speaker 4: I meant, listen, most of my hanging out is not
Speaker 4: in the bathroom. But it's just like, why stress myself
Speaker 4: out by standing and then worrying about.
Speaker 1: Is it stressed out? That's a stand versus sitting in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like now I need to pay I need
Speaker 4: to pay attention to where this is going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand that part where like it's probably
Speaker 1: a cleaner experience if you sit because it's going direct.
Speaker 2: Nowhere. Do you have a lot of lights on in
Speaker 2: your house at night. No, so this is the perfect
Speaker 2: reason why you should.
Speaker 4: You could be in the full full darkness.
Speaker 2: I don't turn a light on in my house when
Speaker 2: I go at night.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: You just go.
Speaker 1: You don't need to turn it on because you're aiming,
Speaker 1: and you're not aiming.
Speaker 2: You don't got to look at where it went. You
Speaker 2: know where it went. You're sitting down.
Speaker 4: There's only one place for it to go, and it's going.
Speaker 1: This is fascinating.
Speaker 2: When I'm standing up, then I'm like, God, turn the
Speaker 2: light on.
Speaker 4: It might mess up your whole night asleep. Yes, now
Speaker 4: that this bright lights flashing open my eu, it might
Speaker 4: as well just stay up. But you know, go to
Speaker 4: the office.
Speaker 1: Some of what you guys are saying makes sense. One
Speaker 1: thing I'll take issue with is that it's easier to
Speaker 1: sit down to be it is when I'm already standing.
Speaker 2: No, you're thinking of ease as in in and out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, does it take you so so long to sit down?
Speaker 4: That's what I don't get you.
Speaker 1: It doesn't like it's this, It doesn't it doesn't take
Speaker 1: so long, but it takes longer. Like so that's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I mean half a second. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's technically harder.
Speaker 2: Than but does LEMP doesn't necessarily dictate hardness well.
Speaker 4: Because then you're spending time cleaning up in ways we
Speaker 4: don't have to probably balances out. We should do a test, honestly,
Speaker 4: start stop.
Speaker 1: Watching in my head. I go into the bathroom. It's
Speaker 1: more streamlined to remain standing than like pulling my pants down,
Speaker 1: turning around, squatting down to the toilet. How are you
Speaker 1: like I pull my penis out the box over the top. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've never I don't ever do through.
Speaker 2: In a public restroom.
Speaker 1: In a public restroom, I'm going over the top. I'm
Speaker 1: going over the top of no matter.
Speaker 4: I guess I usually am just doing that. I guess.
Speaker 2: I do all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a two way player. Here's the difference. Now
Speaker 1: we're adults. Yes, we can change, and I think it
Speaker 1: might be worth it for me to try peeing sitting
Speaker 1: down for a while, log exactly what am I trying
Speaker 1: to figure out? If it's a nicer ex if you like.
Speaker 4: It more, yeah, that's all. Okay, just see how you feel.
Speaker 4: If you feel like, oh you're wasting time? Are you
Speaker 4: getting antsy. Do you actually find it comforting or are
Speaker 4: you like just annoyed by the process?
Speaker 2: Okay, and I guess part of this too, right. I
Speaker 2: didn't start doing this till I was older, you know,
Speaker 2: because as a kid, you're told you're a man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's toxic men.
Speaker 2: When they pee, that's for girls.
Speaker 1: No one told me that. No one ever said give
Speaker 1: the talk. That's my experience.
Speaker 2: Then how did you learn? How did you? Why are
Speaker 2: you standing?
Speaker 4: You don't think society pressured you into this?
Speaker 2: Why are you if no one told you men, why
Speaker 2: do you stand when you pee? I told you that.
Speaker 1: Well, look who taught you that? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think we should look into like the history of this.
Speaker 1: Did men ever sit when they peed?
Speaker 2: You know, we all have very different background. I wonder
Speaker 2: if our bodies are actually designed for us to be
Speaker 2: standing while we're ping. I know we do it for
Speaker 2: convenience sake, but I wonder if scientifically it's better it
Speaker 2: would be better for us to sit down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my guess is it's better to sit down.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, I think, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: And hygienically I bet it's better too, mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, you mentioned just a few moments ago.
Speaker 1: The cultural aspect. I wonder if around the world there
Speaker 1: are different rates of yes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we did. I did look up. There's a
Speaker 4: survey from our friends that you go do we want
Speaker 4: to guess which country has the least amount of men
Speaker 4: who say they sit down.
Speaker 2: And the least amount.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would guess like some toxically male like the United.
Speaker 2: At least amount.
Speaker 4: Least Yeah, Russia, also the US, it's Mexico. Oh so
Speaker 4: six percent of men there say they sit down every
Speaker 4: every time, a strong thirty six percent never sit down,
Speaker 4: They would never sit down.
Speaker 2: To Well that's manny. Have you ever sat down to
Speaker 2: pe on purpose.
Speaker 1: Not explicitly to pee?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll go down there thinking I need.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one two combination, and only one comes down. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: fair enough, now it does not that don't count.
Speaker 1: But I've never been like, I'm gonna sit on this
Speaker 1: thing to just peak.
Speaker 2: So you've never sat down just to pee on purpose,
Speaker 2: not that you could remember.
Speaker 1: Not that I can remember.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is gonna but you have to record the
Speaker 2: first time.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to hear this.
Speaker 2: We need we need to be in the room.
Speaker 1: I'll take it video.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the flip side is the country with the most
Speaker 4: men who sit down to pe.
Speaker 2: Gotta be scanningaving country.
Speaker 4: Germany, Oh, every time, everything versus ten percent never, So
Speaker 4: that's interesting. I mean Germany.
Speaker 1: I wonder if bathrooms in Europe are cleaner than they
Speaker 1: are here.
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, at least like yeah, public ones probably, Yeah, probably.
Speaker 4: More infrastructure set up for it. They like to follow
Speaker 4: rules and you know, be very rigid in some woods.
Speaker 2: Has any of us been in Germany?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: In Germany. Yeah, the big train station in Munich. I
Speaker 1: was in an overnight train. I needed to take a shower,
Speaker 1: and I heard that, uh, there was a facility in
Speaker 1: the train station where you could take a shower. And
Speaker 1: I'm running around trying to find it. But I'm imagining
Speaker 1: the most disgusting thing ever. Like if you told me
Speaker 1: in Grand Central.
Speaker 2: There was a shower.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're getting like, you know, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: devoid or something.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be dirtier at the end of the shower.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I but I got to the place and
Speaker 1: it was pretty clean.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: It was like four showers for men, four showers for women,
Speaker 1: and bathrooms surrounding it. Place was pretty clean.
Speaker 2: It seems like it had been washed but didn't last.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just more uh more attentive to that stuff. Okay,
Speaker 1: So of Germans p sitting down, I wonder if I mean,
Speaker 1: is there are there benefits to it, like beyond you
Speaker 1: guys feeling comfortable when you pee? What are some of the.
Speaker 4: Are the health benefits? Benefits?
Speaker 1: Let's do two things. Okay, let's figure out if men
Speaker 1: should be sitting when they pee. And then the second
Speaker 1: thing is, I'm going to keep a record of maybe
Speaker 1: one week long. Yes, if I'm at my apartment, I'll
Speaker 1: sit down to pee, Yes, and I'll just kind of
Speaker 1: log my experience.
Speaker 2: I want to take some voice memos.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's talking through your sitting down, especially the first
Speaker 2: time you do it. I really want to hear that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to hear it in the background.
Speaker 4: I think you're gonna like what you find.
Speaker 1: All right, after the break, we'll be hearing from a
Speaker 1: urologist about whether men should sit down when they pee.
Speaker 1: All right, we're back. I'm Manny, I'm Noah. Last time
Speaker 1: we were here, we talked about men sitting versus standing
Speaker 1: while they pee. You both like to sit. I like
Speaker 1: to stand, but when I was looking for an expert
Speaker 1: who could tell us whether we should be sitting. One
Speaker 1: name just kept coming up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's Gerald Noah as Jerry Collins. I'm the
Speaker 3: consultant geological surgeon. I have been for quite a few
Speaker 3: years now. I'm from Ireland, too public gather, but I'm
Speaker 3: based in Manchester in the UK.
Speaker 1: So doctor Gerald Collins is a urologist who went kind
Speaker 1: of viral, no pun intended. There were all of these
Speaker 1: articles with titles like You've been peeing wrong your whole life,
Speaker 1: and they cited him talking about like the anatomical process
Speaker 1: of peeing. But I interviewed doctor Collins, and the more
Speaker 1: I talked to him, the more I realized that these
Speaker 1: headlines were kind of misleading, which we will get to later,
Speaker 1: but first I want to play a SoundBite from the
Speaker 1: interview that kind of captures just how many people care
Speaker 1: about this topic.
Speaker 3: I was interviewed by the Telegraph and my sort of
Speaker 3: initial reaction was, you know, well, this is one of
Speaker 3: those little quirky, bit of fun type questions. But it
Speaker 3: ended up in a sort of full page spread on
Speaker 3: the Sunday Telegraph. And then I was contacted by Babe Scotland,
Speaker 3: and I was contacted by other people. I was even
Speaker 3: contacted by Radio New Zealand. So clearly it caught the
Speaker 3: public imagination, which things do sometimes, bizarre things do. When
Speaker 3: I looked into a little bit, there was a lot
Speaker 3: more to this than I initially was expecting.
Speaker 1: So then I was curious about where this kind of
Speaker 1: fascination began.
Speaker 3: Population surveys were what started this off, really, and in
Speaker 3: the last few years, something like forty percent of Germans
Speaker 3: sit down to avoid, and in fact there's been some
Speaker 3: public health initiatives there encouraging them to do so. Apparently
Speaker 3: some public toilets in Germany have some sort of electronic
Speaker 3: prompt requesting the mail to sit. So in the UK
Speaker 3: twenty five twenty four percent, so one in four people
Speaker 3: sit to avoid. That's quite a high. If you'd asked
Speaker 3: me my guests or that before I knew that, I
Speaker 3: would have said maybe ten percent something like that. And
Speaker 3: then you look at Japan, we're seventy percent seven zero
Speaker 3: percent to void. So it turned out that this was
Speaker 3: a far more relevant tissue than perhaps I ear. Indeed,
Speaker 3: many others appreciated.
Speaker 1: Seventy percent of men in Japan, I mean they weren't
Speaker 1: even in the Yugov survey, so congrats to them on
Speaker 1: yet another innovation around the world. It sounds like more
Speaker 1: and more people are sitting to to void, as he
Speaker 1: says for listeners, to void just means to pee. I
Speaker 1: think it's like the medical way to say it.
Speaker 4: We're a silent majority, yeah or yeah yeah, something.
Speaker 1: Like silent super majority. You know. I think it is
Speaker 1: fascinating as someone who would prefer to stand. Uh, there
Speaker 1: is clearly a wave of sitting peers growing across around
Speaker 1: the world, and so naturally my next question is why
Speaker 1: why is that happening.
Speaker 3: To answer that question, I think there's two elements to
Speaker 3: look at, really, and what is the target? The other
Speaker 3: is the peer If you want so the target, let's
Speaker 3: assume the targets are toilet bolt. I think it's to
Speaker 3: do with this concept of you know, is there an
Speaker 3: infection risk to you or others? Well, if you stand
Speaker 3: and pee into a toilet bulb, what's happening. Well, what's
Speaker 3: happening there is You've got a static reservoir of liquid
Speaker 3: in the bolt. So if you direct a force fome
Speaker 3: stream into that, you will agitate the reservoir of organisms
Speaker 3: or bacteria, and you will generate droplets just like me speaking,
Speaker 3: are you speaking? And those droplets will have the ability
Speaker 3: to travel they considerable distem you know, one two meters
Speaker 3: or whatever. So in theory you could rationalize that anything
Speaker 3: within Latin August will be contaminating.
Speaker 1: Doctor Collins tells me that there is probably more contamination
Speaker 1: happening when you stand to pee, but he also wants
Speaker 1: people to ask themselves what contamination means to them. All day,
Speaker 1: every day, we're exposing ourselves to various forms of bacterial contamination,
Speaker 1: and it might just be the case that when we
Speaker 1: stand to pee, that level of contamination, when compared to
Speaker 1: the rest of our days, is probably only a drop
Speaker 1: in the bucket or toilet bowl.
Speaker 3: Contamination that you will get from a strong flow into
Speaker 3: a toilet bowl is negligible in my view.
Speaker 1: He's saying that one of the biggest reasons why more
Speaker 1: people are sitting while they pee is essentially to avoid
Speaker 1: this contamination that's happening in bathrooms where you're directing your
Speaker 1: pee into the static reservoir of water in the toilet bowl,
Speaker 1: and then that is causing germs and bacteria to be
Speaker 1: spread about. So if you want a cleaner environment, you
Speaker 1: could sit down while you pee.
Speaker 2: And is that because there's less distance between the stream
Speaker 2: is as powerful?
Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two is that when you're sitting,
Speaker 1: your stream is not going directly into that water. It's
Speaker 1: going into the front of the and then it's trickling
Speaker 1: its way down.
Speaker 4: It's much quieter experience. Yeah, sensitive ears.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: He tells me that the contam the level of contamination
Speaker 1: that happens, like he was saying at the end of
Speaker 1: there's pretty negligible. But if you're these societies around the
Speaker 1: world and you don't care if it's negligible, you just
Speaker 1: want to be cleaner, then you're gonna direct your citizens
Speaker 1: to sit down.
Speaker 4: That makes sense. I mean, it reminds me of you know,
Speaker 4: he's explaining the spread of these things, and it reminds
Speaker 4: you of those early COVID graphics two people talking and
Speaker 4: all the particles spitting obviously effect.
Speaker 1: So, like we were talking about the other day, I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask him whether there were actual health benefits, Like,
Speaker 1: maybe the level of contamination is negligible, but are there
Speaker 1: other reasons you would want to sit while you pee?
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, it would be BPA stands for benign prostatic hyperplasia.
Speaker 3: What happens is when you hit your forties, the prostate
Speaker 3: starts to enlarge in the vast majority of men, and
Speaker 3: that's due to a changing hormodal environment within the prostate,
Speaker 3: and of those men, a significant proportion of problems because
Speaker 3: of the location of the prostate.
Speaker 1: Basically, the prostate is a gland that wraps around the urethra,
Speaker 1: and if you develop an enlarged prostate later in life,
Speaker 1: it can compress on the urethra and make it more
Speaker 1: difficult to pee. Symptoms including a weaker flow of urine
Speaker 1: and having to go to the bathroom more often.
Speaker 3: And I was a bit of drawing earlier when I
Speaker 3: was just waiting for you. I'll draw an octoppation, secretary,
Speaker 3: because I think it's very helpful. But I'm just going to.
Speaker 1: Show you, okay. So at this point, doctor Collins draws
Speaker 1: fore a diagram of the shape and trajectory of the
Speaker 1: average urethra, and it's like inside of a cartoony human midsection.
Speaker 3: This is a you, Maddie. This is you lying down.
Speaker 3: There's your bottom, there's your tubby up here.
Speaker 1: Okay, uh huh, it's you quite accurate depiction of me. Actually,
Speaker 1: quick note for the listeners. Obviously this is a podcast
Speaker 1: and you can't see the drawing, but I'll include it
Speaker 1: in the corresponding substack for this episode on No Such
Speaker 1: Thing Dot Show. Basically, the urethra does like a thirty
Speaker 1: degree angle turn inside and through your pros state. So
Speaker 1: if you imagine yourself peeing while standing up, the urethra
Speaker 1: kind of goes towards your back first before it makes
Speaker 1: that angle turned towards your front. And if you are
Speaker 1: an older man and you have an enlarged prostate, this
Speaker 1: condition bph that thirty degree angle becomes more like a
Speaker 1: ninety degree angle, and it makes it much more difficult
Speaker 1: to pass urine. And one way to make it easier
Speaker 1: to pass urine and that specific context is to sit
Speaker 1: down while up. I had a few more questions for him.
Speaker 1: The first one was I just kind of wanted to know,
Speaker 1: like the history men peeing while they were standing up,
Speaker 1: Like why did they pee while they were standing up?
Speaker 1: Why didn't they pee while they were sitting down like
Speaker 1: way back in the day.
Speaker 2: Who was the first man to stand up?
Speaker 1: Who was the first brave soul or who was the
Speaker 1: first brave soul to sit. Yeah, that's probably.
Speaker 2: The more accurate. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: I think this is an evolutionary thing. It came to
Speaker 3: be the norm because firstly men could right, so they
Speaker 3: were able to pee standing up. So if you're a hunter,
Speaker 3: godser and you're out stalking an elk for whatever you're stalking,
Speaker 3: or a buffalo and you need a pee, well, if
Speaker 3: you were able to sort that out without particularly having
Speaker 3: to move too much, then you can carry on with
Speaker 3: your quest. So clearly being able to pass urine standing
Speaker 3: up is a big advantage for them, no question about it.
Speaker 3: So I would say, evan, it evolved to become the norm.
Speaker 1: So doctor Collins made sure to tell me that that's
Speaker 1: just kind of his take, like he's a urologist and
Speaker 1: not necessarily a historian. But I think it makes sense.
Speaker 2: It makes sense, especially you've got to be more on
Speaker 2: your toe back in the day.
Speaker 4: So just you're certainly not worried about contamination.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't even know what is just in your
Speaker 2: ready position at all times, it makes sense to be
Speaker 2: standing versus like sitting down where you know you're a
Speaker 2: little less agile.
Speaker 1: Finally, I asked him one final question I asked him
Speaker 1: if he, as a urologist, recommends that men sit down
Speaker 1: while they pe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I wouldn't recommend it in general. If someone
Speaker 3: is doing it, okay, it doesn't bother me, but I
Speaker 3: don't think they need to do so.
Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised to hear this, right, like,
Speaker 1: he's basically saying there is no medical benefit to sitting
Speaker 1: while up unless you have BPH and enlarged prostate. And
Speaker 1: all the initial articles that I came across when I
Speaker 1: was researching this at first took his words and kind
Speaker 1: of contorted them to mean that you should be sitting
Speaker 1: when you pee, And as you just heard, he simply
Speaker 1: does not recommend that.
Speaker 2: I remember when these articles were coming out, I similarly
Speaker 2: was like, oh, wow, have I been peeing wrong my
Speaker 2: whole life? And it's just sort of like, no, I
Speaker 2: guess if I have an enlarge prostate, maybe I should
Speaker 2: sit my ass down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, otherwise will happen to all of us someday.
Speaker 2: Choose your own adventure.
Speaker 1: Now, that doesn't tell you anything about whether you should
Speaker 1: prefer to sit or say still done. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: prefer it because it's more comfortable, you should absolutely continue
Speaker 1: to do so, and obviously a lot of the world
Speaker 1: is moving in that direction.
Speaker 2: What I wanted to hear from this conversation is there
Speaker 2: anything bad about me sitting down?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it sounds like his answer is not.
Speaker 4: All right, mannie, how about you tell us about your experiment.
Speaker 1: I sat while I peed for a week for a week.
Speaker 2: Wow, you know.
Speaker 1: As much as I could while I was at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're talking home piece.
Speaker 1: This was also during my trip to Atlanta. So like
Speaker 1: when I'm in the hotel, I would sit, but outside
Speaker 1: of that, I would stand. Generally, my experience was that
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I almost didn't know what to think.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, this is uh, this is nice.
Speaker 1: I guess if you want to do it, maybe if
Speaker 1: I like let some candles in there or something like,
Speaker 1: al right.
Speaker 4: Well, all right, let's take take us through a void session.
Speaker 1: This is Manny. I am in my bathroom, I am
Speaker 1: needing to void, and I'm gonna do it. Uh. Sitting
Speaker 1: down definitely feels a little bit awkward at first, knowing
Speaker 1: that I don't have to uh defecate. I am here
Speaker 1: to urinate, and I am in a seated position, and
Speaker 1: here we go. Uh, you know, much quieter experience, obviously,
Speaker 1: but the noise level of a typical urination doesn't really
Speaker 1: bother me. I have just finished urinating, and I will
Speaker 1: kind of just remain on the toilet here to hang out.
Speaker 1: I guess I'll be on my out, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: take a look at my phone no texts, snow notifications
Speaker 1: that are super urgent, and uh yeah, I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of fighting the urge not to get on
Speaker 1: out of here.
Speaker 4: You're not taking advantage of this.
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of be in the moment. There
Speaker 1: were times when I would look at my phone or whatever. Oka,
Speaker 1: but it was hard to fight that urge not to
Speaker 1: just leave after I was oh yeah, but I guess
Speaker 1: we just are going into the bathroom with different states
Speaker 1: of mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It's it's interesting because in life I
Speaker 2: don't see you as a person who rushes through life.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, you know, you're not like a slow.
Speaker 2: Person, you don't. I don't think you have the traditional
Speaker 2: Ohio like yo, hurry up. Yeah, but you're also not
Speaker 2: someone who you know, has like a New York attitude
Speaker 2: about things. I think you're pretty good with the flow
Speaker 2: you're pretty relaxedly back guy. So it's inter that when
Speaker 2: you get in the bathroom, you're on New York time, like, hey,
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 1: To get one thing that's sitting added to my experiences.
Speaker 1: Was thinking about this in general, and I think I
Speaker 1: realized that I'm using the bathroom. Anything I'm doing in
Speaker 1: the bathroom is I kind of see as a chore.
Speaker 1: And so I thought about it as like, Okay, when
Speaker 1: I'm washing the dishes, you know, I want to get
Speaker 1: that done as soon as possible.
Speaker 2: You view using the bathroom as washing the dishes, like
Speaker 2: on the same.
Speaker 1: Level, I think it's just like a thing I have
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 4: There we go again that I'm to spend forty seconds voiding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the thing that I have to do to
Speaker 1: move on. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's just If I could opt out of washing dishes,
Speaker 2: just press the button, never have to wash the dish again.
Speaker 2: We'll do it tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I probably would opt out of peeing if I never had.
Speaker 2: An that's crazy, I would not. I think it's such
Speaker 2: a nice break to your day. It's like a it's
Speaker 2: like forced alone quiet time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think I do appreciate the solitude
Speaker 4: of it. Yes, And that's part of why I like
Speaker 4: the sitting. You know, you do get so used to
Speaker 4: just always having a podcast on or music or something
Speaker 4: where it's nice to sometimes be like whether I'm at
Speaker 4: home or even just like I'm gonna go do a
Speaker 4: chores like running errand if it's a quick thing, like yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe I don't need my headphones on.
Speaker 1: Sitting while up in the bathroom ends up just being
Speaker 1: a good vehicle for to get Yeah.
Speaker 4: That just like doing it like a shower.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, well no music or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do a lot about very long shower.
Speaker 4: A pee is in some ways of a mini shower.
Speaker 1: We don't need to go on, but I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna end the episode right there.
Speaker 2: All the girls standing and the life for the bathroom,
Speaker 2: all the girls standing.
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