1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm Manny, I'm Noah, and this is no such thing. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: The show where we settle our drump arguments and yours 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: by actually doing the research. On today's episode, we're asking 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: whether men should sit while they pee. We'll find out 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: whether there are any benefits, medical or otherwise by talking 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: to a urologist who went viral for his take on this. 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: There's no no such thing, no such thing such thank touch. 8 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 2: All right, so I'm watching or rewatching the greatest TV 9 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: show of all time. Curb your enthusiast. Okay, curb your enthusiasm. 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: Larry's dad comes over and he leaves the toilet seat up, 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: and Larry goes up to him and says, dad, you 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: got to put the toy seat down. He say, well, 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: you pussy whooped. You know the Cheryl's making you do that? 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: And he's like, no, it's for me. 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: I peece sitting down. 16 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: I was getting up to go at night sometime and 17 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: I didn't feel like putting the light on, so I 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 3: would sit down. And then I figured, you know, I 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 3: got I got very comfortable with it. 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 4: You know what Winston Churchill said, why stand when you 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 4: can sit? 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: Have you ever heard that expression? 23 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: No? 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 4: I never heard that expression, but yeah, I don't think 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 4: he meant the toilet. 26 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: And then it's a plot device because later in the episode, 27 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: Cheryl leaves the seat up, he falls in a toilet, 28 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: and then he's walking around with a king So, uh, that's. 29 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: And you you sit when you pee. 30 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: Sometimes, Yes, especially when I'm home, not in public. If 31 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: I never sit down in pee in public. When I'm 32 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: at home, I sit down in pee a lot of 33 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, if I'm in a rush, I don't. Yeah, 34 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: But if I'm just going to pee and I got time, 35 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: I love to sit. Love the sit. 36 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you too, Yeah, I'd say it's the only 37 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 4: time I'm standing is if I'm I just came in, 38 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 4: I really need to go or something, I still have 39 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 4: everything on, then I'm running in there getting it done. 40 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 4: But otherwise I'd say it's ninety percent more. Oh, that's 41 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 4: how I'm sitting because same reasons. It's ld I've got 42 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 4: magazines in. 43 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: There, chilling, I mean, relax phones now. 44 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 4: Also, yeah, who I mean, who knows what else I 45 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 4: might want to get up to when I'm in there. 46 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, you might want to go. You 47 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: might want to go from one see. 48 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 4: My options open that's why I want to go from 49 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 4: one day it's also like what's what's the rush? You know, 50 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: and it feels it feels nicer. You can't go and yeah, 51 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 4: no aim, it's cleaner and don't need to worry about 52 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 4: the seat situation. 53 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: So then how long are you in there? You go there, 54 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: you go into p and you sit down, So what 55 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: are like, how long are you in there? 56 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 4: It could be a minute, it can end up being 57 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 4: three minutes. Ye could be fine because I can you know, 58 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 4: then it's like, oh, I finish this paragraph, get to 59 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 4: the next line, break if I need to. 60 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: If I'm reading, I mean, I don't sit on my pee, 61 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: and I don't think I would. I feel like I'm 62 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: just wanting to be in a bathroom as little time 63 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: as possible. 64 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 4: Why is that you don't like you've got a beautiful, 65 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 4: clean bathroom in there. 66 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: Well, it's just I mean, it's a bathroom. If I 67 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: want to like relax or whatever, I'll I'll just go 68 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: to my couch. 69 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: When you pop. 70 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: Yeah you do it? 71 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: Number two? Yeah you ever just you're done and you 72 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: just just hang out a little bit. 73 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 74 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: I guess it depends on if I was reading something 75 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: like something like an article or something. I might stick 76 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: around that's it. I might maybe to get to the 77 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: end of the sentence, but I'm not just hang ok. 78 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: Kind of quick any of the sentence that's in and out. 79 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 80 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: You're not out in the bathroom. 81 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: No, not really. I'm surprised to hear that it's only 82 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: a hanging out in there. 83 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: I mean, why after a shower might just sit down, 84 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: put the lotion on. You might have read a few articles, 85 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: you know, what's your rush alone time for me? 86 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know in my head the 87 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 1: way you're describing it. I just feel like I would 88 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: get the relaxation or the hanging out just somewhere else 89 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: in the house. 90 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 4: I meant, listen, most of my hanging out is not 91 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: in the bathroom. But it's just like, why stress myself 92 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 4: out by standing and then worrying about. 93 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: Is it stressed out? That's a stand versus sitting in. 94 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like now I need to pay I need 95 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 4: to pay attention to where this is going. 96 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand that part where like it's probably 97 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: a cleaner experience if you sit because it's going direct. 98 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: Nowhere. Do you have a lot of lights on in 99 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: your house at night. No, so this is the perfect 100 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: reason why you should. 101 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 4: You could be in the full full darkness. 102 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: I don't turn a light on in my house when 103 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: I go at night. 104 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying. 105 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 2: You just go. 106 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: You don't need to turn it on because you're aiming, 107 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: and you're not aiming. 108 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: You don't got to look at where it went. You 109 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: know where it went. You're sitting down. 110 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 4: There's only one place for it to go, and it's going. 111 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: This is fascinating. 112 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: When I'm standing up, then I'm like, God, turn the 113 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 2: light on. 114 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 4: It might mess up your whole night asleep. Yes, now 115 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 4: that this bright lights flashing open my eu, it might 116 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 4: as well just stay up. But you know, go to 117 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 4: the office. 118 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: Some of what you guys are saying makes sense. One 119 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: thing I'll take issue with is that it's easier to 120 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: sit down to be it is when I'm already standing. 121 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: No, you're thinking of ease as in in and out. 122 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, does it take you so so long to sit down? 123 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 4: That's what I don't get you. 124 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: It doesn't like it's this, It doesn't it doesn't take 125 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: so long, but it takes longer. Like so that's all 126 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I mean half a second. Yeah, yeah, but 127 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: that's technically harder. 128 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: Than but does LEMP doesn't necessarily dictate hardness well. 129 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 4: Because then you're spending time cleaning up in ways we 130 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 4: don't have to probably balances out. We should do a test, honestly, 131 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 4: start stop. 132 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: Watching in my head. I go into the bathroom. It's 133 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: more streamlined to remain standing than like pulling my pants down, 134 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: turning around, squatting down to the toilet. How are you 135 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: like I pull my penis out the box over the top. Okay, 136 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: I've never I don't ever do through. 137 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: In a public restroom. 138 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: In a public restroom, I'm going over the top. I'm 139 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: going over the top of no matter. 140 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 4: I guess I usually am just doing that. I guess. 141 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: I do all. 142 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a two way player. Here's the difference. Now 143 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: we're adults. Yes, we can change, and I think it 144 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: might be worth it for me to try peeing sitting 145 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: down for a while, log exactly what am I trying 146 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: to figure out? If it's a nicer ex if you like. 147 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 4: It more, yeah, that's all. Okay, just see how you feel. 148 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 4: If you feel like, oh you're wasting time? Are you 149 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 4: getting antsy. Do you actually find it comforting or are 150 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 4: you like just annoyed by the process? 151 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: Okay, and I guess part of this too, right. I 152 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: didn't start doing this till I was older, you know, 153 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: because as a kid, you're told you're a man. 154 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's toxic men. 155 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: When they pee, that's for girls. 156 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: No one told me that. No one ever said give 157 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: the talk. That's my experience. 158 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: Then how did you learn? How did you? Why are 159 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: you standing? 160 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 4: You don't think society pressured you into this? 161 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: Why are you if no one told you men, why 162 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: do you stand when you pee? I told you that. 163 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: Well, look who taught you that? I don't know. I 164 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: think we should look into like the history of this. 165 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: Did men ever sit when they peed? 166 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: You know, we all have very different background. I wonder 167 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: if our bodies are actually designed for us to be 168 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: standing while we're ping. I know we do it for 169 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: convenience sake, but I wonder if scientifically it's better it 170 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: would be better for us to sit down. 171 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, my guess is it's better to sit down. 172 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: That's interesting, I think, Yeah, I don't know. 173 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 4: And hygienically I bet it's better too, mm hmmm. 174 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: And then yeah, you mentioned just a few moments ago. 175 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: The cultural aspect. I wonder if around the world there 176 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: are different rates of yes. 177 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we did. I did look up. There's a 178 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 4: survey from our friends that you go do we want 179 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 4: to guess which country has the least amount of men 180 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 4: who say they sit down. 181 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: And the least amount. 182 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would guess like some toxically male like the United. 183 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: At least amount. 184 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 4: Least Yeah, Russia, also the US, it's Mexico. Oh so 185 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 4: six percent of men there say they sit down every 186 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 4: every time, a strong thirty six percent never sit down, 187 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: They would never sit down. 188 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: To Well that's manny. Have you ever sat down to 189 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: pe on purpose. 190 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: Not explicitly to pee? 191 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 192 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll go down there thinking I need. 193 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, one two combination, and only one comes down. Yeah, yeah, 194 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: fair enough, now it does not that don't count. 195 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: But I've never been like, I'm gonna sit on this 196 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: thing to just peak. 197 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: So you've never sat down just to pee on purpose, 198 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: not that you could remember. 199 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: Not that I can remember. 200 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: Wow, this is gonna but you have to record the 201 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: first time. 202 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 4: I can't wait to hear this. 203 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: We need we need to be in the room. 204 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: I'll take it video. 205 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, the flip side is the country with the most 206 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 4: men who sit down to pe. 207 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: Gotta be scanningaving country. 208 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 4: Germany, Oh, every time, everything versus ten percent never, So 209 00:08:58,520 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 4: that's interesting. I mean Germany. 210 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: I wonder if bathrooms in Europe are cleaner than they 211 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: are here. 212 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, at least like yeah, public ones probably, Yeah, probably. 213 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 4: More infrastructure set up for it. They like to follow 214 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 4: rules and you know, be very rigid in some woods. 215 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: Has any of us been in Germany? 216 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 4: Yeah? 217 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: In Germany. Yeah, the big train station in Munich. I 218 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: was in an overnight train. I needed to take a shower, 219 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: and I heard that, uh, there was a facility in 220 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: the train station where you could take a shower. And 221 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm running around trying to find it. But I'm imagining 222 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: the most disgusting thing ever. Like if you told me 223 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: in Grand Central. 224 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: There was a shower. 225 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're getting like, you know, you're gonna be 226 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: devoid or something. 227 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: You're gonna be dirtier at the end of the shower. 228 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. But I but I got to the place and 229 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: it was pretty clean. 230 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: Yep. 231 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: It was like four showers for men, four showers for women, 232 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: and bathrooms surrounding it. Place was pretty clean. 233 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: It seems like it had been washed but didn't last. 234 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, just more uh more attentive to that stuff. Okay, 235 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: So of Germans p sitting down, I wonder if I mean, 236 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: is there are there benefits to it, like beyond you 237 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: guys feeling comfortable when you pee? What are some of the. 238 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 4: Are the health benefits? Benefits? 239 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: Let's do two things. Okay, let's figure out if men 240 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: should be sitting when they pee. And then the second 241 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: thing is, I'm going to keep a record of maybe 242 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: one week long. Yes, if I'm at my apartment, I'll 243 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: sit down to pee, Yes, and I'll just kind of 244 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: log my experience. 245 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: I want to take some voice memos. 246 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. 247 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's talking through your sitting down, especially the first 248 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: time you do it. I really want to hear that. Yeah, 249 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 2: I want to hear it in the background. 250 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 4: I think you're gonna like what you find. 251 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: All right, after the break, we'll be hearing from a 252 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: urologist about whether men should sit down when they pee. 253 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: All right, we're back. I'm Manny, I'm Noah. Last time 254 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: we were here, we talked about men sitting versus standing 255 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: while they pee. You both like to sit. I like 256 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: to stand, but when I was looking for an expert 257 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: who could tell us whether we should be sitting. One 258 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: name just kept coming up. 259 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's Gerald Noah as Jerry Collins. I'm the 260 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 3: consultant geological surgeon. I have been for quite a few 261 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: years now. I'm from Ireland, too public gather, but I'm 262 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 3: based in Manchester in the UK. 263 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: So doctor Gerald Collins is a urologist who went kind 264 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: of viral, no pun intended. There were all of these 265 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: articles with titles like You've been peeing wrong your whole life, 266 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: and they cited him talking about like the anatomical process 267 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: of peeing. But I interviewed doctor Collins, and the more 268 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: I talked to him, the more I realized that these 269 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: headlines were kind of misleading, which we will get to later, 270 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: but first I want to play a SoundBite from the 271 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: interview that kind of captures just how many people care 272 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: about this topic. 273 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 3: I was interviewed by the Telegraph and my sort of 274 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: initial reaction was, you know, well, this is one of 275 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 3: those little quirky, bit of fun type questions. But it 276 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 3: ended up in a sort of full page spread on 277 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 3: the Sunday Telegraph. And then I was contacted by Babe Scotland, 278 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: and I was contacted by other people. I was even 279 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 3: contacted by Radio New Zealand. So clearly it caught the 280 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 3: public imagination, which things do sometimes, bizarre things do. When 281 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: I looked into a little bit, there was a lot 282 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 3: more to this than I initially was expecting. 283 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: So then I was curious about where this kind of 284 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: fascination began. 285 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 3: Population surveys were what started this off, really, and in 286 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 3: the last few years, something like forty percent of Germans 287 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 3: sit down to avoid, and in fact there's been some 288 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 3: public health initiatives there encouraging them to do so. Apparently 289 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: some public toilets in Germany have some sort of electronic 290 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: prompt requesting the mail to sit. So in the UK 291 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: twenty five twenty four percent, so one in four people 292 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 3: sit to avoid. That's quite a high. If you'd asked 293 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: me my guests or that before I knew that, I 294 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: would have said maybe ten percent something like that. And 295 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 3: then you look at Japan, we're seventy percent seven zero 296 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 3: percent to void. So it turned out that this was 297 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 3: a far more relevant tissue than perhaps I ear. Indeed, 298 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 3: many others appreciated. 299 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: Seventy percent of men in Japan, I mean they weren't 300 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: even in the Yugov survey, so congrats to them on 301 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: yet another innovation around the world. It sounds like more 302 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: and more people are sitting to to void, as he 303 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: says for listeners, to void just means to pee. I 304 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: think it's like the medical way to say it. 305 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 4: We're a silent majority, yeah or yeah yeah, something. 306 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: Like silent super majority. You know. I think it is 307 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: fascinating as someone who would prefer to stand. Uh, there 308 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: is clearly a wave of sitting peers growing across around 309 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: the world, and so naturally my next question is why 310 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: why is that happening. 311 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: To answer that question, I think there's two elements to 312 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: look at, really, and what is the target? The other 313 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: is the peer If you want so the target, let's 314 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: assume the targets are toilet bolt. I think it's to 315 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: do with this concept of you know, is there an 316 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: infection risk to you or others? Well, if you stand 317 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: and pee into a toilet bulb, what's happening. Well, what's 318 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: happening there is You've got a static reservoir of liquid 319 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 3: in the bolt. So if you direct a force fome 320 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: stream into that, you will agitate the reservoir of organisms 321 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: or bacteria, and you will generate droplets just like me speaking, 322 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: are you speaking? And those droplets will have the ability 323 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: to travel they considerable distem you know, one two meters 324 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 3: or whatever. So in theory you could rationalize that anything 325 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: within Latin August will be contaminating. 326 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: Doctor Collins tells me that there is probably more contamination 327 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: happening when you stand to pee, but he also wants 328 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: people to ask themselves what contamination means to them. All day, 329 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: every day, we're exposing ourselves to various forms of bacterial contamination, 330 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: and it might just be the case that when we 331 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: stand to pee, that level of contamination, when compared to 332 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: the rest of our days, is probably only a drop 333 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: in the bucket or toilet bowl. 334 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: Contamination that you will get from a strong flow into 335 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: a toilet bowl is negligible in my view. 336 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: He's saying that one of the biggest reasons why more 337 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: people are sitting while they pee is essentially to avoid 338 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: this contamination that's happening in bathrooms where you're directing your 339 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: pee into the static reservoir of water in the toilet bowl, 340 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: and then that is causing germs and bacteria to be 341 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: spread about. So if you want a cleaner environment, you 342 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: could sit down while you pee. 343 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: And is that because there's less distance between the stream 344 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: is as powerful? 345 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two is that when you're sitting, 346 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: your stream is not going directly into that water. It's 347 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: going into the front of the and then it's trickling 348 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: its way down. 349 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 4: It's much quieter experience. Yeah, sensitive ears. 350 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: Now. 351 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: He tells me that the contam the level of contamination 352 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: that happens, like he was saying at the end of 353 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: there's pretty negligible. But if you're these societies around the 354 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: world and you don't care if it's negligible, you just 355 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: want to be cleaner, then you're gonna direct your citizens 356 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: to sit down. 357 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 4: That makes sense. I mean, it reminds me of you know, 358 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 4: he's explaining the spread of these things, and it reminds 359 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 4: you of those early COVID graphics two people talking and 360 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: all the particles spitting obviously effect. 361 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: So, like we were talking about the other day, I 362 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: wanted to ask him whether there were actual health benefits, Like, 363 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: maybe the level of contamination is negligible, but are there 364 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: other reasons you would want to sit while you pee? 365 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, it would be BPA stands for benign prostatic hyperplasia. 366 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 3: What happens is when you hit your forties, the prostate 367 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 3: starts to enlarge in the vast majority of men, and 368 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 3: that's due to a changing hormodal environment within the prostate, 369 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 3: and of those men, a significant proportion of problems because 370 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 3: of the location of the prostate. 371 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: Basically, the prostate is a gland that wraps around the urethra, 372 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: and if you develop an enlarged prostate later in life, 373 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: it can compress on the urethra and make it more 374 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: difficult to pee. Symptoms including a weaker flow of urine 375 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: and having to go to the bathroom more often. 376 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: And I was a bit of drawing earlier when I 377 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: was just waiting for you. I'll draw an octoppation, secretary, 378 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: because I think it's very helpful. But I'm just going to. 379 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: Show you, okay. So at this point, doctor Collins draws 380 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: fore a diagram of the shape and trajectory of the 381 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: average urethra, and it's like inside of a cartoony human midsection. 382 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 3: This is a you, Maddie. This is you lying down. 383 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 3: There's your bottom, there's your tubby up here. 384 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: Okay, uh huh, it's you quite accurate depiction of me. Actually, 385 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: quick note for the listeners. Obviously this is a podcast 386 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: and you can't see the drawing, but I'll include it 387 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: in the corresponding substack for this episode on No Such 388 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: Thing Dot Show. Basically, the urethra does like a thirty 389 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: degree angle turn inside and through your pros state. So 390 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: if you imagine yourself peeing while standing up, the urethra 391 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: kind of goes towards your back first before it makes 392 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: that angle turned towards your front. And if you are 393 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: an older man and you have an enlarged prostate, this 394 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: condition bph that thirty degree angle becomes more like a 395 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: ninety degree angle, and it makes it much more difficult 396 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: to pass urine. And one way to make it easier 397 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: to pass urine and that specific context is to sit 398 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: down while up. I had a few more questions for him. 399 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: The first one was I just kind of wanted to know, 400 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: like the history men peeing while they were standing up, 401 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 1: Like why did they pee while they were standing up? 402 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: Why didn't they pee while they were sitting down like 403 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: way back in the day. 404 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: Who was the first man to stand up? 405 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: Who was the first brave soul or who was the 406 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: first brave soul to sit. Yeah, that's probably. 407 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: The more accurate. Yeah, that's true. 408 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 3: I think this is an evolutionary thing. It came to 409 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: be the norm because firstly men could right, so they 410 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 3: were able to pee standing up. So if you're a hunter, 411 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: godser and you're out stalking an elk for whatever you're stalking, 412 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: or a buffalo and you need a pee, well, if 413 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 3: you were able to sort that out without particularly having 414 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 3: to move too much, then you can carry on with 415 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: your quest. So clearly being able to pass urine standing 416 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 3: up is a big advantage for them, no question about it. 417 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 3: So I would say, evan, it evolved to become the norm. 418 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: So doctor Collins made sure to tell me that that's 419 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: just kind of his take, like he's a urologist and 420 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: not necessarily a historian. But I think it makes sense. 421 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: It makes sense, especially you've got to be more on 422 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: your toe back in the day. 423 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 4: So just you're certainly not worried about contamination. 424 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't even know what is just in your 425 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: ready position at all times, it makes sense to be 426 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: standing versus like sitting down where you know you're a 427 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: little less agile. 428 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: Finally, I asked him one final question I asked him 429 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: if he, as a urologist, recommends that men sit down 430 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: while they pe. 431 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I wouldn't recommend it in general. If someone 432 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 3: is doing it, okay, it doesn't bother me, but I 433 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 3: don't think they need to do so. 434 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised to hear this, right, like, 435 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: he's basically saying there is no medical benefit to sitting 436 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: while up unless you have BPH and enlarged prostate. And 437 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: all the initial articles that I came across when I 438 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: was researching this at first took his words and kind 439 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: of contorted them to mean that you should be sitting 440 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: when you pee, And as you just heard, he simply 441 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: does not recommend that. 442 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: I remember when these articles were coming out, I similarly 443 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: was like, oh, wow, have I been peeing wrong my 444 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: whole life? And it's just sort of like, no, I 445 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: guess if I have an enlarge prostate, maybe I should 446 00:21:58,960 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: sit my ass down. 447 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, otherwise will happen to all of us someday. 448 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: Choose your own adventure. 449 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: Now, that doesn't tell you anything about whether you should 450 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: prefer to sit or say still done. Yeah, if you 451 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: prefer it because it's more comfortable, you should absolutely continue 452 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: to do so, and obviously a lot of the world 453 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: is moving in that direction. 454 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 2: What I wanted to hear from this conversation is there 455 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 2: anything bad about me sitting down? 456 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 4: Yeah? 457 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it sounds like his answer is not. 458 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 4: All right, mannie, how about you tell us about your experiment. 459 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: I sat while I peed for a week for a week. 460 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 2: Wow, you know. 461 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: As much as I could while I was at home. 462 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're talking home piece. 463 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: This was also during my trip to Atlanta. So like 464 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: when I'm in the hotel, I would sit, but outside 465 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: of that, I would stand. Generally, my experience was that 466 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, like I almost didn't know what to think. 467 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, this is uh, this is nice. 468 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: I guess if you want to do it, maybe if 469 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: I like let some candles in there or something like, 470 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: al right. 471 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 4: Well, all right, let's take take us through a void session. 472 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: This is Manny. I am in my bathroom, I am 473 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: needing to void, and I'm gonna do it. Uh. Sitting 474 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: down definitely feels a little bit awkward at first, knowing 475 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: that I don't have to uh defecate. I am here 476 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: to urinate, and I am in a seated position, and 477 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: here we go. Uh, you know, much quieter experience, obviously, 478 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: but the noise level of a typical urination doesn't really 479 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: bother me. I have just finished urinating, and I will 480 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: kind of just remain on the toilet here to hang out. 481 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: I guess I'll be on my out, you know, I'll 482 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: take a look at my phone no texts, snow notifications 483 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: that are super urgent, and uh yeah, I'll be honest, 484 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm kind of fighting the urge not to get on 485 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: out of here. 486 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 4: You're not taking advantage of this. 487 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of be in the moment. There 488 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: were times when I would look at my phone or whatever. Oka, 489 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: but it was hard to fight that urge not to 490 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: just leave after I was oh yeah, but I guess 491 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: we just are going into the bathroom with different states 492 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: of mind. 493 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It's it's interesting because in life I 494 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: don't see you as a person who rushes through life. 495 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 4: Well, you know, you know, you're not like a slow. 496 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: Person, you don't. I don't think you have the traditional 497 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 2: Ohio like yo, hurry up. Yeah, but you're also not 498 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 2: someone who you know, has like a New York attitude 499 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: about things. I think you're pretty good with the flow 500 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: you're pretty relaxedly back guy. So it's inter that when 501 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: you get in the bathroom, you're on New York time, like, hey, 502 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: I got. 503 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: To get one thing that's sitting added to my experiences. 504 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: Was thinking about this in general, and I think I 505 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: realized that I'm using the bathroom. Anything I'm doing in 506 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: the bathroom is I kind of see as a chore. 507 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: And so I thought about it as like, Okay, when 508 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm washing the dishes, you know, I want to get 509 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: that done as soon as possible. 510 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 2: You view using the bathroom as washing the dishes, like 511 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 2: on the same. 512 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: Level, I think it's just like a thing I have 513 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: to do. 514 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 4: There we go again that I'm to spend forty seconds voiding. 515 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the thing that I have to do to 516 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: move on. Yeah. 517 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: Wow, that's just If I could opt out of washing dishes, 518 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: just press the button, never have to wash the dish again. 519 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 2: We'll do it tomorrow. 520 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: I probably would opt out of peeing if I never had. 521 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: An that's crazy, I would not. I think it's such 522 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: a nice break to your day. It's like a it's 523 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: like forced alone quiet time. 524 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think I do appreciate the solitude 525 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 4: of it. Yes, And that's part of why I like 526 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 4: the sitting. You know, you do get so used to 527 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 4: just always having a podcast on or music or something 528 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 4: where it's nice to sometimes be like whether I'm at 529 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 4: home or even just like I'm gonna go do a 530 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 4: chores like running errand if it's a quick thing, like yeah, 531 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 4: maybe I don't need my headphones on. 532 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: Sitting while up in the bathroom ends up just being 533 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: a good vehicle for to get Yeah. 534 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 4: That just like doing it like a shower. 535 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, well no music or anything. 536 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do a lot about very long shower. 537 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 4: A pee is in some ways of a mini shower. 538 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: We don't need to go on, but I think we're 539 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: gonna end the episode right there. 540 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 2: All the girls standing and the life for the bathroom, 541 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 2: all the girls standing. 542 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: In the line. 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