1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola, and it is time for another edition 6 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: of mix Shots here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I 7 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: am Bill Jones with the Mick, and we've got Cobby 8 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: as well. We've got Everson Walls. It is the last 9 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: day of April. We are one week after the two 10 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: thousand and twenty NFL Draft, and it is day number fifty. 11 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: I'm counting the days of this uh COVID pandemic, and 12 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: so fifty days into this. It was May eleventh when 13 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: this all started, when the sports world got shut down. 14 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: But thank god, Mickey, we had the NFL Draft last 15 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: week and this is a new look Dallas Cowboys team. Yes, 16 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: absolutely is seven dude Draft choices in uh March eleventh. 17 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: By the way, Billy March eleventh. I'm sorry, I always 18 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: get March in May mixed. You know what, you always 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: got to be scared that I lost track of the time. 20 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: But you know what, Uh what a draft. It was 21 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: what a neat production the NFL pulled off with all 22 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: the teams. What a neat production the Cowboys pulled off 23 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: as a as an organization. And uh, you know, and 24 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: here we are finally get a chance to talk about 25 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: it five days later, but it's still fresh and everybody's 26 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: mind and uh, you know, Everson, I never dreamed that 27 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: the NFL could pull it off the way they did 28 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: so seamlessly. It seems, Hey, everybody's going virtual now, Spags. 29 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: It was That's what I've been doing. You know, I've 30 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: been on the computer more now than I've ever been 31 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: in my entire life. And as an old dude like myself, 32 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: this is not anything I'm accustomed to. But I like 33 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: the way that the NFL made the adjustments. I love 34 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: the raw opportunity to look at the where the kids 35 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: came from and the interaction with the parents. You know, 36 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: when we see them on the draft day, they're all 37 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: drafted up. Everybody's all looking nice and fancy restaurants and 38 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: things of that nature. Now it was just raw, dog, 39 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: this is my house. My currents are a little stained 40 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: in the back. You know. We tried to cover up 41 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: some of the stuff with some other stuff, and you know, 42 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: I thought that was just very cool. You saw, first 43 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: of all, how personal this this whole draft was, because 44 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: you heard a lot of very human interest stories that 45 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: just really kind of pulled at your heart string. And 46 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: that's been going on obviously, you know, for decades. But 47 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: it's good that they kind of dwelled on that a 48 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: little bit. And along those lines also the coaches and uh, 49 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: team executives and so forth, seeing them in their own 50 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: homes from the commissioner in his own basement, which was 51 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: of course dressed up for television. But uh, in fact 52 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: I was talking with I did a little zoom interview 53 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: with Charlotte Jones Anderson yesterday and we were talking about 54 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: the telecast and you know, you had Cliff Kingsbury out 55 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: in his whatever he's living in out Arizona. Uh, you know, 56 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick with his dogs making the pick and U 57 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: and then Jerry on his yacht and as Charlotte, as 58 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: Charlotte put it, you know, it was it was someone 59 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: had told her that this and she so she admitted 60 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: she was stealing it from someone. But it was like 61 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: it was like everyone was sort of on brand with 62 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: what they are like in real life and being the 63 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: chief branding officer that Alice Cowboys. I thought that was 64 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: then appropriate way for Charlotte to put it. Well, you know, 65 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: and and and it continues to happen, uh, you know, 66 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: the stay at home thing, the isolation thing, but it 67 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: always seems to bring us more together. Uh. And we 68 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: see a more personal view of people. Uh. And again 69 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: it happened in the draft and Bill, you're you're exactly right. 70 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: It it put a face on the NFL. You know 71 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: everything when it's at a stage it's formal. The guys 72 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: walk out, they hugged the commissioner, they put on a 73 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: goofy hat. Uh and then you know it's like, okay, fine, 74 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: well this uh yeah, it just made it more real 75 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: and uh made people more real and the emotion more real. 76 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: Uh So yeah, I thought it was great. And you 77 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: know it all worked too. We didn't really lose connection 78 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: or anything, uh fluffed up, didn't miss a draft pick. 79 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: And you know, and you go through however many draft 80 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: choices they had, Uh, it seemed like that. It was remarkable. 81 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: You know. Plus you saw how Rot Goodell has the 82 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: worst sense of humor. I think I've ever heard of 83 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: any commissioner. His jokes were bad, and he knew they 84 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: were bad, but I did like his timing. His timing 85 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: was good, but the jokes were just really bad. Can 86 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: we clear something up on CD Lamb's reaction, Mickey, because 87 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: because there was a lot of criticism out there that 88 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: when the announcement was made on television that CD didn't 89 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: really have a reaction, much of a reaction, we need 90 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: to point out that, See that was not when he 91 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: found out that he's a Dallas Cowboy, right right, I 92 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: mean he got the phone call prior to that. Yeah, absolutely, 93 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: And and again what he was mad that he got 94 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: drafted by the Dallas Cowboys? Are you serious? Now? He 95 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: may be a little disappointed that he lasted till the 96 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: seventeenth pick. They could understand that. And I saw that 97 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: in some of the other guys too. It's like, yeah, okay, 98 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: I just got drafted. And it wasn't just by the Cowboys, 99 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: it was other picks too that guys thought they would 100 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: go a lot sooner. So uh, yeah, it's hard to 101 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: hide your disappointment in how long you lasted the draft 102 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: when everything's live. But I was getting some texts from 103 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: friends saying, well, it doesn't look like he's excited me 104 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: in a Dallas cowboy, And so I explained to him 105 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: that what happens on this is the team makes the call, 106 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: when they make the pick, they and they're making they're 107 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: sending the pick in Basically, they make the call, Jerry 108 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: gets on the phone with the player and they get 109 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: on and then it's it's several minutes passes by before 110 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: the announcement is made on television, and that's why his 111 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: friends and family are all poised to jump up and 112 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: they're all excited whenever the pick is announced on television, 113 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: and the players will react different ways once they the 114 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: realization occurs where it's actually announced on television, but they 115 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: already understand that the team has already drafted him. Yeah, 116 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: it's really what really went viral though, was between the phone. 117 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: I know you guys, you know you gotta go there, 118 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: ain't God, I gotta go there, man, I got kids 119 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: here at the house. You know when I said kids 120 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: are thirty plus years old. But that's what they all noticed. 121 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: Everybody went off on the The young lady tried to 122 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: tried to take the phone from him, and he on 123 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: a smooth I mean a real smooth tip. He just 124 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: kind of reached and grabbed that phone from like, no, no, no, 125 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: you don't touch that phone. No, no, let me touching 126 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: the phone, right, yeah, don't message the bath phone. I thought. 127 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: I just thought I was That was the funniest thing, 128 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, the second funniest thing about the entire draft, 129 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: that phone to her picking up the phone and then 130 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: the lady getting picked up off of her son. You know, 131 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: the girlfriend was hanging on the guy and the mother 132 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: comes over, picks up the girlfriend by under her armpits 133 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: and drags her away. I want to get in and 134 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: get this is my son. I'm gonna get a hug 135 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: at this Mary. That's the kind of stuff golden, golden 136 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: for the draft. I hope they do this every year 137 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: Reality TV. And it's fine. It is reality and you know, 138 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: and see since that stuff happened when the camera was flashing, 139 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: it happened, right. It's the old saying, like a tree 140 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: falls in the forest. Uh, you know, you know if 141 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: nobody and the same thing with CD, because that's up 142 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: to TV. TV's gotta be on him. When he got 143 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: the original phone call, like a bunch of the other 144 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: guys and they didn't have that shot good stuff. You 145 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: see those shots on the like the second day of 146 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: the draft, you get the uh, the actual phone call 147 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: reaction a lot of times. All right, let's talk about 148 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: CD to get things kicked off here. And how surprised 149 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: were you, Mickey, that CD was still there at seventeen. Yeah, 150 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. You know, as I was monitoring 151 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: the draft and they got past the pick twelve, and 152 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: I said to myself, oh my goodness, they're going to 153 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: be able to draft calevan Chase on and I put 154 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: a question mark on my sheet at number sixteen next 155 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: to Atlanta, and I said, if Atlanta doesn't screw this up, 156 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: the Cowboys going to get their defensive end. And then 157 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: as it started getting closer, I'm going, oh my gosh, 158 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: they might have a choice between two of them. And 159 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: you remember how we had been talking Bill and we'd say, 160 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, this is what they need, and this is 161 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: what they're going to get at seventeen. And I would 162 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: bring up, but what happens if by some miracle, they're 163 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: sitting there at seventeen and CD lambs on the board, 164 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: you know, what do you do? And I think we 165 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: were all in agreement We'll take them, don't. He's got 166 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: to be the best player on the board at seventeen, 167 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: no doubt about it, and that's the decision they made. 168 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: It was like all the mock drafts that they did. 169 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: Stephen talked about it. Will McClay talked about it. They 170 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: never had to go through a scenario where they had 171 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: to decide if CD was their choice at seventeen because 172 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: they thought it was so unreasonable, And when it happened, 173 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: it was like, well, I got to follow the board. 174 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: We got this guy number six on our draft board, 175 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: the sixth best player in the draft. We gotta take them, 176 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: and boy, what a home run. They couldn't have asked 177 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: for anything more. I'm gonna ask you in a bit 178 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: why he lasted so long. But you know, the Cowboys 179 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: ended up doing what most teams do. You're gonna take 180 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: the best athlete available, and it just so happened. The 181 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: best athlete available is in a positions that we need. 182 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: We just lost Coyle. We realized how CD is in 183 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: regards to where he lines up. He can run routes 184 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: from any position. I think this is gonna bode well 185 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: for obviously our offensive system, especially on third downs. Having 186 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: CD in there being able to go back and forth 187 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: with he and Cooper in the slot. That's something that 188 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: you know, we always criticized Daz about about not being 189 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: able to be more versatile by being in the slot. 190 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: This guy kind of checks all of those boxes and 191 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: of course once he's once he gets the ball, he's 192 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: just a game breaker. So we talked about this a 193 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: long time ago, Spag. We always talked about the studs 194 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: that were available at wide receiver in this draft. We 195 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: talked about this months and months ago, and here it is. 196 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: It comes into fruition that this is a guy. But 197 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: overall I might be jumping the gun, but overall I 198 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: thought this is a defensive draft for the Cowboys. So 199 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: everything just kind of worked out pretty well. You know. 200 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: I thought Jerry Jones made a really good point when 201 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: he was summoned up the draft and he said, I 202 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: don't know what we did, what we wore, what we 203 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: where we were sitting, but we need to do it 204 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: again because things just fell for him, right. They didn't 205 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: force anything. It just kind of happened. Didn't happen to 206 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: make any hard decisions. Yeah, yeah, And a lot of 207 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: it had to do and you were gonna say, well, 208 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: why was he there? Well, I think a lot of 209 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: teams ahead of him basically started drafting by Need and 210 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: the more offensive tackles you saw go off the board. 211 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: You're sitting there going, oh my gosh, the Cowboys are 212 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: gonna get what they want. H and teams drafted for Need. 213 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: And you know, as I said, we got to sixteen 214 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: in Atlanta took aj Tarrell, the Clemson cornerback. It was like, well, 215 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: all this just fell in their lap. They didn't have 216 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: to do anything. They didn't have to trade up, they 217 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: didn't have to get fancy. It was like, huh. You know. 218 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: The funny thing was I got a question from somebody, well, 219 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: with the Michael Gallop and Amari Cooper, how are they 220 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: gonna use C. D. Lamb? And my answer was, they're 221 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: just gonna put them on the field. You know, we're 222 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: gonna worry about how we're gonna use them and get 223 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: him on the field. You know, just put the ball 224 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: in his hand. That's what we're gonna do with him. 225 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna put the ball in his hand. That's right, 226 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: you know. And you look at the way things fell. 227 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: There were really three receivers and I actually had four. 228 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: I had to Jefferson from LSU up there, along with 229 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs and Jerry Judy and CD Lamb. And I 230 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of teams probably look at those 231 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: top three guys as you know, it's it's like do 232 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: you like chocolate ice cream, you like vanilla ice cream? Whatever? 233 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: I mean there, I can see how you might rank 234 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: them where Judy might be number one on some teams board. 235 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: I personally like Lamb the best. I had Judy second 236 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: by a small margin. Ruggs and Jefferson were in that 237 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: same mix, but it kind of went by need. What 238 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: those teams ahead of them were looking at it wide 239 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: receiver and the Raiders wanted a speed guy, and so 240 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: they took Rugs and then Denver, it came down to 241 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: a choice between Judy or Lamb, and they just decided 242 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: to go with Judy instead of Lamb. But even before that, 243 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: Arizona at number eight, they would have been in the 244 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: market for a receiver, but they had traded for DeAndre Hopkins, 245 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: so they went defense with Isaiah Simmons. So that pushes 246 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: another wide receiver down and it just so happened that 247 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: Cede Lamb was the guy that fell down to the 248 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: Cowboys at seventeen, and then you're right, and then Atlanta 249 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: they're sitting there. They've got two receivers and Julio Jones 250 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: and Ridley and so they and they needed a cornerback 251 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: and so they took aj Terrell instead. So it just 252 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: worked out for the Cowboys. But you can take it 253 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: round by around that one, you have to ask the 254 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: question like what if what if we would have taken Judy? 255 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't think it would have mattered. I think both 256 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: guys a quality players. So it's one of those right 257 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: situations where it doesn't matter which one you pick. It 258 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: was all start to fall very well for the Cowboys, 259 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: and it's just it's as if I don't know. Somebody 260 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: mustn't Jerry must ask somebody driving that yacht somewhere, because man, 261 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: he was just sailing along and doing everything that needs 262 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: to be done. And let's just be real, guys, the 263 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: hero of this entire draft, my boy Will Will did 264 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: a great job, very just a what do you call 265 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: just his temperament is just so calm and even, and 266 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: just to see him be as successful as he was, 267 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: just an even killed young man. I really enjoy the 268 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: way he stepped up this draft. We got Jerry looking good, 269 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: but we know that Will did all the work. But 270 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: he wouldn't. He would not tell you that the Will 271 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: is ly really and hero at two things like that 272 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: Number one. Billy, Remember when I made the joke about 273 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: the dark board behind me that if I replaced the 274 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: numbers with the position and I blindfolded myself and through 275 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: a dark whatever position I hit, it would be good. 276 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: The Cowboys need it. Well. If you can see up 277 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: there right now, it's on a it's the bull's eye 278 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: and it's CD Lamb's bio pinned to the board now 279 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: because they hit Cede Lamb. And as for Will McClay, 280 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty neat. Uh. He did a 281 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: conference call two days ago. Two days ago, and when 282 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: he mentioned Uh, it was mentioned to him that Jerry 283 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: and Stephen called him the MVP of the draft. And 284 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: he went through this, this whole long dissertation of how ownership, 285 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: the scouts, the coaches, the head coach all came together 286 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: very very well and did this whole thing. But he said, 287 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: if I'm going to give an MVP award to this draft, 288 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: it's my scouts because they did the Lake Ward. You know, 289 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to do the thirty visits. 290 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: We didn't get a chance to do Dallas Day, barely 291 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: got a chance to do any pro day. So all 292 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: their decisions had to be based on the leg work 293 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: that these guys did throughout the season and how they 294 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: inform the organization during these virtual meetings that they were having. 295 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: And he said, without the scouts, we couldn't have done 296 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: what we did. So, yeah, hats off to Will, but 297 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: really hats off to him by giving that amount of 298 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: praise to the guys that work for him. 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Back on Fridays, 344 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: Welcome back here to Mick Shot spill Jones with Mickey 345 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: Spagnola and Everson Walls as we break down this twenty 346 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: twenty Cowboys draft and Yes, cornerback heavy in the second 347 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: round and the fourth round with Reggie Robinson, the second 348 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: out of Cleburne, Texas and Tulsa University. And also the 349 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: Cowboys this week have signed a veteran cornerback, Darryl Whirley, 350 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: who started fifteen games for the Raiders last year, was 351 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: originally a third round draft pick in twenty sixteen of 352 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, who's been a starter throughout his career. 353 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: Make it very interesting, Mickey, the inventory they now have 354 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: at the cornerback position. Nothing better than competition on your team, right, 355 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: and there could be no slackers at the cornerback slash 356 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: safety position. And boy, when you see those highlights of Digs, 357 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: that's a big corner and I think that's what they've 358 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: been looking for. They want big press corners that can 359 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: get on the line of scrimmage and disrupt patterns right 360 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: from the start. And the fact that they were able 361 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: to get Digs where they did in the second round, 362 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: are you serious? Because they had him. There was a 363 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: consideration of taking him in the in the first round 364 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: actually until things fell the way they did. So to 365 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: get him with the nineteenth pick in the second round 366 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. And uh yeah, he's got some skills now again, 367 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: as Everson said about Ceedee Lamb, you know there's got 368 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: a berees and teams didn't take the guy. And you 369 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: know he doesn't have the greatest speed his catchup speed, 370 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: but you know what, if you don't have to catch up, 371 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: then you know you don't have to use that ketchup speed. 372 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: So I just see with the guys you mentioned with 373 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson, the trade for darryl' worley, uh, and then 374 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: having a woozier Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis. Boy, that's 375 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: a pretty stout group there, and you're going to see 376 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: some competition. And I think one of the things when 377 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: we talk about these guys, and you guys can give 378 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: me your opinion on the guys they drafted, somebody's moving 379 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: to safety and they've got some guys with versatility to 380 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: be able to do that. And you know, Everson, after 381 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: you give us your kind of summation on what you 382 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: think of Digs and maybe Robinson, I want to ask 383 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: you about making that transition from cornerback to safety if 384 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: you hadn't played it before, well, I'll tell you what. 385 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: You're right those fact one of those guys they are 386 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: going to safety. But what you saw with Diggs is 387 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: a guy who has such great technique. I love the 388 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: way he gets his hands on the wide receivers. I've 389 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: seen him be extremely aggressive, I mean pretty much causing 390 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: a fight at the line of scrimmage. That's the kind 391 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: of one on one you want to see the one 392 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: on one practices in the Cowboys practice field. Once we 393 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: start giving this season going and this whole COVID thing 394 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: goes by the wayside, you are going to see some 395 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: of the most intense one on one competitions that you've 396 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: ever seen in Cowboys camp. And that's the way it 397 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: should be because you've got bigger receivers in the league 398 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: these days. Cowboys may not necessarily be one of those 399 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: teams with the huge receivers, but everyone's concentrating on big 400 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: receivers these days, so you gotta have the big dbs. 401 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: Great footwork by Diggs, great hand combat by Diggs. I 402 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: love his skills, his ball skills. When he gets down 403 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: the field, some of the interceptions that you see he makes, 404 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: he deciphers what the offense is trying to do. Now, 405 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: that's a nice luxury to have when you have the 406 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: defensive line and the rush that Alabama had. But at 407 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: the same time, he's able to work with his defense 408 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: and be able to really sniff out what the offense 409 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,239 Speaker 1: is trying to do. And to me, that's just as 410 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: important as being able to play one on one. You 411 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: have to be a smart player and understand what the 412 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: offense is trying to do. When I look at Robinson, well, 413 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: I see a guy who you could tell that he 414 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: was a transformed safety from and going to corner. I 415 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: thought Robinson's footwork was a little slower. I guess he 416 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: would say smoother, which as a defensive back, that sounds 417 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: a little better. Brand. Eye coordination is still very good, 418 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: but you can see a little bit off now. To me, 419 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: that doesn't negate a good cornerback at all. If he 420 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: can work with his tools, you know, you're looking at 421 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 1: the guy run the fourth seven. So if you can 422 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: work with your tools, that's great. But I think Robinson, 423 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: if all the cornerbacks that they draft that they signed, 424 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: that Robinson may be the one that looks more more 425 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: apt to go to safety. He's really rangey, and he's 426 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: got good anticipation and you can judge that ball very 427 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,239 Speaker 1: well when it's in the air. So we're looking at 428 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: turnover cornerbacks. Okay, we're looking at guys that look for 429 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: the ball. They're looking for fumbles, they're looking for loose balls, 430 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: and they can go up and get interceptions. So hopefully 431 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: this this whole drought about the Cowboys secondary and not 432 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: getting interceptions, I'm hoping this craft is over because I 433 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: can't take it. Guys, I'm just letting you know. I 434 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: can't take it. Not another year of this, I can so. Bill, 435 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: what did the big Green notebook cav on these corners? Well, 436 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: let me tell you about Reggie Robinson the second and 437 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: in fact, you talk about picks. He had four picks 438 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: for Tulsa last year there, and Diggs had three for Alabama. 439 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: But I talked with Reggie's dad this week, Reginald Robinson, who, 440 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: by the way, as a Grambling man just like our 441 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: Everson Walls. He played at Grambling. I think he gradual. 442 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: He say graduated ninety four, ninety five, I think. But 443 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: but he said that he told Reggie four or five 444 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: years ago when he started at Tulsa that Byron Jones 445 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: is the guy he could be. Like. Okay, and when 446 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: you look at Reggie's numbers, like at the combine. Well, 447 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: his dad told me that before he put on fifteen 448 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: pounds here in the last couple of years, he was 449 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 1: running a four to three. Okay, he ran a four 450 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: to four four at the combine. The eleven foot broad jump, 451 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: it's not twelve foot like Byron Jones, but no one 452 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: has a twelve foot broad jump like Byron Jones. The 453 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: twenty two bench reps, Wow, I mean that's something um 454 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: for a cornerback, safety, whatever game. It's exactly, yeah, exactly 455 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: and so but you think about Byron Jones. He at Yukon, 456 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: he played both corner and safety, and I agree that 457 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: that he's probably the most likely candidate to get reps 458 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: at corner. But I'll throw in Darryl Whorley in there 459 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: as well. All three of these guys are in that 460 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: six one, two o five vicinity. Whorley that he's now 461 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: listed I think at two fifteen. But I looked at 462 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: some of Darryl Worley last night in their game against 463 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: Kansas City last year with Travis Kelsey at tight end. 464 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: Of course for Kenny Sea, they got killed in the game, obviously, 465 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: but Worley was playing outside at right cornerback, matched up 466 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: against Tyreek Hill a lot in that game, but he 467 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: was playing in the nickel a lot of times. They 468 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: matched him up one on one with Kelsey and he 469 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: had a real good game against Kelsey. And he played 470 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: some deep safety as well for the Raiders in one 471 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: of their sub packages, so he's got some ability to 472 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: play the same position. Also, you know, Bill, be clear, 473 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: guys before we go on spat, excuse me, you are 474 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: not just looking at these guys for being maybe starters 475 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: or contributors defensively. You're looking at some good special teams 476 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: prospects as well. And the Cowboys really fell off as 477 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: for special teams last year, so you could see that 478 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: as they're picking these these studs here at defensive back, 479 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: wide receiver, I think they're also looking at them to 480 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: contribute all over the field, not just in the defensive 481 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: part of the game. Well, and and Everson, good point 482 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: on Reggie Robinson because he did play special teams at Tulsa. 483 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: A matter of fact, he basically said he had been 484 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: on all of them. Whatever special team there was, he 485 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: was on it. Uh. And I think if I remember correctly, 486 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: Billy finished his career with four block kicks at Tulsa. 487 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, special teams important a key thing on unworthy. UH. 488 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: And I was talking to Will McClay about it. You know. 489 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: He he did move inside and took took on the 490 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: tight ends at times. Uh. And towards the end of 491 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: the season this past year, UH, they the Raiders had 492 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: problems at safety with injuries, and then they released Dj Swearingen, 493 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: and the last couple of games he made the transition 494 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: to safety. And he started at safety. Uh. And and 495 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: I saw an article he was talking about, uh playing cornerback, 496 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: and and he thought that, you know, playing quarterback cornerback 497 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: and preparing for games is difficult because now you got 498 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: to you got all these things you gotta worry about. 499 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: He goes, but he felt like the transition to play 500 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: in safety was a lot easier to be able to 501 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: pull off. And I was gonna ask Everson, because you 502 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: had to do it, did you ever play safety before 503 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: you went to the Giants? Yeah? I played safety in 504 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: high school. I was cornerback until I got to Grambling. 505 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: I was just trying to give a spott Grambling. They 506 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: have me at safety my freshman year at Grambling as well. 507 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: But when it came down to it, if you're gonna 508 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: make the team at Grambling, you gotta keep up with 509 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: these jack rabbit wide receivers that I had to deal with. 510 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: So I was forced to play cornerback because finally I 511 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: got good at it from just going one on one 512 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: every day. So yeah, going from that immediate confrontation face 513 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: to face, you're sometimes you're breathing right in each other's 514 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: faces and having to deal with the chaos, the quickness, 515 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: having your back to the ball, all of those things 516 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: can be very stressful as a cornerback. But as you 517 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: moved back away from that and going to safety, then 518 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's no immediate threat. You have 519 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: a chance to survey the situation. Sometimes you can really 520 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: decipher what's going on offensively. So yes, playing safety is 521 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: very good as long as you don't have to hit somebody. 522 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: So that was my problem when I went to safety 523 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: with the Giants. That's when all my injuries start to 524 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: pile up. So yes, going the safety is easier mentally, 525 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: but physically that's a whole nother issue, you know, And 526 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: I think the other thing we need to point out, 527 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: Bill is the fact that you know, they like Xavier 528 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: Woods at free safety. You know, I think there was 529 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: this idea that boy they had to draft a safety. 530 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: They got to get better at safety. But they like 531 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: Woods and then they did, you know, a one year 532 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: deal for Haja Clinton Dicks. So to me, he's sort 533 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: of a bridge for these other guys possibly moving back 534 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: there and providing some depth and they needed. They did 535 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: lose a Cavon Frazier yesterday in free agency, and obviously 536 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: they weren't in a hurry to resign him. So again, 537 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: when we're talking about moving these guys, I think everybody 538 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: thinks you're moving them and you're gonna start them right. Well, 539 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, they paid Dicks three and a half million 540 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: a year for this this coming year, and I as 541 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: soon they brought autom in with the idea of starting him. 542 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: Now there's going to be competition, and you know that 543 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: doesn't automatically go to those guys, but they do have 544 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: those two guys there, so whatever they're moving there, you know, 545 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: it could be more for a depth situation than anything else. 546 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: And then you know, let's not forget Donovan Wilson. He 547 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: had a pretty good training camp and then just didn't 548 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: get many opportunities once the season began. But they really 549 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: liked him and liked his ability to play special teams too. 550 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: So from a safety standpoint, even though they didn't draft somebody, 551 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: it looks like they're in pretty good shape with guys 552 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: being very versatile, able to do different things. You know 553 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people we focus on this year, but 554 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: why they had such a need at the cornerback position, 555 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: and it's safety for that matter, it is because you 556 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,959 Speaker 1: got so many players are going into the last year 557 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: of their contract, so many starters going into the last 558 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: year of your contract. Let me ask you this, Everson, 559 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: what do you think, right? You got Whirley who started 560 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: fifteen games last year for the Raiders. You got Trayvon Diggs, 561 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: the second round pick, who was a wide receiver, mind you, 562 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: as freshman year at Alabama and has two years of 563 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: starting experience in college at a very high level at Alabama, 564 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: but just still just two years of experience at cornerback. 565 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: And then you got the starters coming back in Cheeta 566 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: A Woozier. You got Jordan Lewis, you got Anthony Brown 567 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: at safety. You've got Xavier year Woods, you got Haha 568 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: Clinton Dix. My question is if they were to trot 569 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: out there here in a couple of weeks with OTAs 570 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: who is your starting cornerbacks on this team? If I 571 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: would if I were to pick the start the cornerbacks, 572 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: I would have to go with the Woozier. I'd have 573 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: to go with Dicks and then including the Nickel in there. Also, 574 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: if I'm going to include Nickel, then yes, I would 575 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: go with the experience. I'll probably go with Brown in 576 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: the slot and Jordan Lewis. Jordan Lewis, that's a tough one. 577 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: The only thing about Jordan man what great experience in 578 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: the slot, but maybe so small. I think if you're 579 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: gonna look at the experience he has, that's one thing. 580 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: But if I'm gonna go with the intimidation aspect of it, 581 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: I want more physical cornerbacks out there, physical cornerbacks and safeties. 582 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: And if you're gonna talk about the safeties, and I 583 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: know you didn't ask me, but if I'm gonna tell 584 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: you anyway, I'm looking at how hot Clinton Dix is 585 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: moving closer to the line of scrimmage, I really am. 586 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: I'm looking at him being what Woods was for us 587 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: last year. When you have that kind of experience in 588 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 1: that position, you have a chance to make a lot 589 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: of plays. Especially making for plays that are behind the 590 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. You're also looking at trying those those 591 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: situations where a why a cornerback or a safety can 592 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: really be important on third down. I just from where 593 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: they're going against the slot. I'm looking at cornerback being 594 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: on the slot. But when you have a veteran safety, 595 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: he can be filled in in so many places. Yes, 596 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: he could play the tidings if he wanted to. He 597 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,439 Speaker 1: could play free safety if he wanted to. You're looking 598 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: at a secondary right now that could be extremely physical, 599 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: but also extremely smart, extremely ball conscious. And that's what 600 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm hoping they were going far when they win the draft. 601 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: And you know, Bill, you mentioned, you know, talking about 602 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: three starting corners. I think what they've done here is 603 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: they've strengthened their nickel defense and given them a more 604 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: opportunity to be better playing dying with slot. Of these 605 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: guys that can play in the slot along with the 606 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: guys that can play outside. So I think that improves 607 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: your path defense. And you know, as they were talking 608 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 1: in post draft press conference, Will talking about the guys 609 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: they saw the defensive lineman they brought in, he said, 610 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: you know this, this is no longer. You know, an 611 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: NFL that's three yards in a cloud of dust. You 612 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: gotta be able to be athletic. You gotta be able 613 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback. And because of the passing game, 614 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: you know, you got to have three starting corners, and 615 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: if you can put four guys out there, including the safeties, 616 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: to play in the slot the way the Cowboys did 617 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: back in the nineties when they had Darren Woodson, a 618 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: safety playing in the slot. And I'm not saying these 619 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: guys are Darren Woodson, but the ability to put a 620 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: big guy in there that not only can cover, but 621 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: can stop the run. You can say, Okay, I'll go 622 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: dime here because it's almost like I got another linebacker 623 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: in the slot. Me another point of what Belichick did 624 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: with us when we were in New York. He brought 625 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: me in. Even though I came in and started a corner. 626 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: You had three big corners there because I took Perry 627 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: Williams spot. But when he came to third down, Perry 628 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: comes in and plays his regular corner spot. Then I 629 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: went into the slot. So you that diversity that you have, 630 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: you know, that can do a lot for you when 631 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: it comes down the stretch. Plus, we have a lot 632 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: of depth in the secondary right now, so if we 633 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: have any type of injuries or something like that, you've 634 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: got some guys that can just step in right away 635 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: and be able to play ball. These young kids nowadays, 636 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: they're ready to play now. They're ready to play now. 637 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: This is not one of those things where you've got 638 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: some guys coming from some small school, you know, and 639 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: he might make it or he might not if somebody 640 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: drops off. No, a guy like Diggs, he's ready now 641 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: for NFL. 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Making you've been using any 708 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: of those products, I've been trying. I don't know if 709 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: they're working, but I think so. Yes, I gotta tackle 710 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 1: aging just like the rest of us. Hey, so I 711 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: didn't know spindle could be virtual? How did you? How 712 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: did you do that? Did I get you? All? Right? Well? 713 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: See virtual can be real? Right? All right, let's talk 714 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: about more about this draft. Let's get deeper into it, 715 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: And how about let's let's fast forward to what they 716 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: did trading up to the late fourth round to take 717 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:08,360 Speaker 1: a center from Wisconsin. Tyler Biadas is a Dallas Cowboy 718 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 1: and he was the Remington Award winner last year. I 719 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: thought that was a shrewd move giving up a fifth 720 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: round pick next year, Okay, lust Lust By hearing there 721 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: for minutes, I think Bill was talking about the center 722 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: beads and uh boy, yeah, right there you go going 723 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: into this draft when everybody was giving their needs, and 724 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: I kept saying, well, what about center? Uh? And when 725 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 1: you looked at the center position, the guys that are 726 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,280 Speaker 1: on the roster right now. And I understand Joe Looney 727 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: did a nice job starting for Travis Frederick in twenty 728 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: eighteen when he missed the entire season, but he's kind 729 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: of a guard center, okay, and he's a really nice backup. 730 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,240 Speaker 1: But and then there was all this talk about moving 731 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: this guy to center and that guy to center, and 732 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: Adam Redman coming back. And I kind of looked at 733 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,359 Speaker 1: it and I said, Okay, fine, did any of these 734 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 1: guys were talking about being the Cowboys starting center actually 735 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: start a game at center? Last year? And the answer 736 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: was no, So to me, they needed to go out 737 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 1: and draft a center, somebody who played center last year. 738 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: And they found the guy that was the Remington Award 739 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 1: winner at Wisconsin. And okay, I know three centers went 740 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: ahead of him, but they had a high grade on Tyler, 741 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,919 Speaker 1: and I think that was a wonderful move to give 742 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: up a fifth in twenty twenty one to move up 743 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,760 Speaker 1: into the bottom of the fourth round and get a center. 744 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 1: And by the way, that fifth is not going to 745 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: mean anything because the amount of guys they lost in 746 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: free agency, they're gonna make it up with compensatory picks. 747 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,319 Speaker 1: And I saw one story last the other day that's 748 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: already projecting who's gonna get compensatory picks by what they lost, 749 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,479 Speaker 1: and they had the Cowboys projected to get a third, fourth, fifth, 750 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: and a sixth, so that that fifth doesn't mean anything. 751 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,799 Speaker 1: But to have a guy that played center last year 752 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: on your team, and especially if there's no offseason for 753 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: these guys to make a transition from playing guard like 754 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 1: Connor mcgovernn or Connor Williams to center, or Adam Redman 755 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: who spent the whole season on ir to have a 756 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: guy that actually did it, I think is huge to me. 757 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: It's kind of like taking up a safety and saying, hey, 758 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: you go play corner. You know, we realized that the 759 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: how shorthanded he might be in a lot of different 760 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 1: situations because that's just not his true position. When you're 761 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: playing center, I mean, obviously it's it's it's simply selanatory. 762 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: Your position is the s two of everything that's going 763 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: on on the field offensively, and so that center has 764 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: to be extremely intelligent. He has to know the system 765 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: back and forth, and it has to be something that 766 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: he's been instinctly doing for at least four years. It's 767 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: a lot of new houses that go with being a 768 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: center that a guard or a tackle or a backup 769 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 1: may not be able to take care of. But when 770 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: you have a true center there, then it's just a 771 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: seamless transition from going from college to pros. I truly 772 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: believe that, you know. And the thing on Beata is 773 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,759 Speaker 1: he played at a very high level at Wisconsin, which 774 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,760 Speaker 1: of course has produced so many NFL offensive linemen. Really, Saysaruz, 775 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: the center from Michigan would probably be the guy that's 776 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: ranked number one on most everybody's board. He was a 777 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,720 Speaker 1: parade all American five star guy coming out of high school. 778 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,320 Speaker 1: But Beatas was right there with the other centers that 779 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: went ahead of him in the draft, Lloydbury from LSU, 780 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,840 Speaker 1: Matt Hennessy from Temple. The knock on Beata's was the 781 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,399 Speaker 1: medical because he had a hip surgery a year ago. 782 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 1: He had a shoulder surgery this year. Obviously, the Cowboys 783 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,840 Speaker 1: doctors passed him. They felt good about him. Otherwise they 784 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: would not have given up, even though the price is 785 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: not that high, as Mickey mentioned, with the fifth rounder 786 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 1: next year, with so many compensatory picks coming, but for that, 787 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have traded up to try to get him 788 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,359 Speaker 1: if they didn't clear him medically. And so I think 789 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,920 Speaker 1: they feel good about it. And I think he's got 790 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,320 Speaker 1: a good shot of coming in here if he's healthy. 791 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: Because of all the reasons Mickey sits right there, his 792 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 1: experience at center to be able to start as a 793 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: rookie in this league. How about Neville Gallimore the third 794 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: round pick, Robert and I the fifth round pick. They 795 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: improved the defensive line there. Well, Bill Gallimore is your guy, right. 796 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: I like Gallimore and especially where they drafted him with 797 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 1: the eighty second pick yeah, absolutely, and it seems like 798 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 1: a very athletic guy on your defensive line. Uh. They 799 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: like the fact that he's got very good lateral pursuit. Uh. 800 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,839 Speaker 1: And and he's a guy that's he's on the come. Uh. 801 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 1: You know, he played football raised in Canada and they 802 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,319 Speaker 1: got to college here and uh, so this guy's got 803 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: a lot of room to improve. And there's an example 804 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: of his lateral pursuit. Uh. And he's got a great motor. 805 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: So uh to combine him here with McCoy uh and 806 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 1: you know, and we'll see where Tristan Hill lines up. 807 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,799 Speaker 1: But they've got that spot now, I think, uh solidified 808 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 1: to the point where if they need to at defensive 809 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: end and you need a big defensive end on the 810 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 1: right side, and Tyrone Crawford's your guy with experience over there, 811 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,160 Speaker 1: and I'm told he's ready to go. Uh he's his 812 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: rehab is going greatly after the two hip surgeries, So 813 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: that even fortifies that spot, not knowing if you're gonna 814 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: get Alden Smith or Randy Gregory on the field. So 815 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,359 Speaker 1: I liked the pick of Gallimore and he was another guy, 816 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 1: by the way, Everson that they considered in the second 817 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: round and saying, Okay, maybe we can get the corner 818 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: in the third, and then they decided to do it 819 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: the way they did, and then Gallimore was still there. 820 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,880 Speaker 1: You know what, I what I what really stood out 821 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: for me with Gallimore was a fourth of your dash 822 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,920 Speaker 1: four seven nine four seven nine. Yes, I read the 823 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: four seven four and I was one hundred and ninety 824 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: pounds at the time, and I'm thinking to myself, what 825 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,359 Speaker 1: if this big guy was chasing me and he had 826 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,680 Speaker 1: an angle, I'd be dead. So I liked the signing. 827 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: I like the athleticism that they were going after. Uh. 828 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: It wasn't just to speed. His maneuverability was very impressive, 829 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,279 Speaker 1: extremely active inside. This guy is amazing the way he 830 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: makes the play. But what I did see, and I 831 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 1: know Bill's gonna cringe a little bit, that offense, that 832 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 1: Oklahoma or defensive line just really fell off a little 833 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,760 Speaker 1: bit at the end of the season. And I'm wondering 834 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,080 Speaker 1: if his inconsistency had anything to do with that, because 835 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,760 Speaker 1: I would imagine if he would have been more consistent, 836 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,440 Speaker 1: that maybe that entire defensive line would have been more consistent. 837 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 1: But I say, with the tools that he has, we 838 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 1: can make this guy be something that he may not 839 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: have been in college. He could maybe be more consistent, 840 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,279 Speaker 1: maybe if you just teach him a couple of things 841 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,719 Speaker 1: here and there, because he's highly skillful at what he does, 842 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: and that's something that I think we need inside and 843 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: that kind of speed chasing people down the line, we 844 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,440 Speaker 1: could use that because, trust me, it was a lot 845 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: of people going down the line last year and missing 846 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 1: every running back that came through, especially after Thanksgiving. So yeah, 847 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,839 Speaker 1: we're looking at trying to shore that up. A little 848 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,719 Speaker 1: bit light in the butt though, guys at three oh four, 849 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,839 Speaker 1: I think he was. That's I'm a small for an 850 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,320 Speaker 1: inside guy, but I guess that's why he's got some 851 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: speaking of maneuverability, you know, I'd also like the fact 852 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 1: that he comes in with Gerald McCoy similar backgrounds and 853 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 1: being in Oklahoma where McCoy can be sort of a 854 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: mentor to him as well. What about Robert to Night. 855 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,320 Speaker 1: You talk about the contrast, you talk about Gallimore and 856 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,319 Speaker 1: his four seven nine forty, Well, here's Robert and Night 857 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: and the reason I assume the main reason that he 858 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 1: fell to the fifth round was the fact that he 859 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,880 Speaker 1: ran a four nine one at the combine and his 860 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,680 Speaker 1: other measurables were not great either, a seven four four 861 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,279 Speaker 1: cone drill and a four four three shuttle. You know, 862 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,760 Speaker 1: what I saw on him, Bill, is that he actually 863 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 1: had a pro day at Utah and improved that forty 864 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,759 Speaker 1: to four seven nine. So I think I don't know 865 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,640 Speaker 1: if anybody looked at that. The other thing that was 866 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,359 Speaker 1: pointed out about him, and Will McClay had a really 867 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,279 Speaker 1: good scouting report on him. He said, he said, some 868 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 1: guys don't time fast, but they play fast, And he said, 869 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,320 Speaker 1: if you look at this guy's tape, he plays fast. 870 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: He plays fast because he's got desire, and he plays 871 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:16,000 Speaker 1: fast because he's got football instincts. So again, that forty 872 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: time didn't bother the Cowboys maybe as much as it 873 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,400 Speaker 1: bothered other guys. Hey, this guy was an All American. 874 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 1: He set the record at u TAK for sacks, so 875 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 1: he did something on the field. So again, you know, 876 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 1: ever since when we were talking about this virtual stuff, 877 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,239 Speaker 1: maybe sometimes all the measurements and the testing kind of 878 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,359 Speaker 1: went out the door and you had to rely more 879 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,560 Speaker 1: on tape. And this guy I saw he and I 880 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,800 Speaker 1: never heard of this award, but it was he was 881 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: awarded them. Morris Trophy and it was for the best 882 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: defensive lineman voted on by offensive lineman. And this guy 883 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,400 Speaker 1: that's good stuff. Yes so. And the other thing I 884 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,640 Speaker 1: like about him is that in junior high, now he 885 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:08,000 Speaker 1: was raised in Hawaii, uh lei, uh Hawaii and uh 886 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,360 Speaker 1: he learned in junior high to cliff dive. And he 887 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,279 Speaker 1: says he can do a double back flip off a 888 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,040 Speaker 1: fifty foot cliff at two hundred and sixty pounds. So 889 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,839 Speaker 1: maybe that'd be another way to get to the quarterback, right, 890 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna flip up. There should be that should be 891 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,400 Speaker 1: part of the combine. See how many people can do that? 892 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: That's what That's what I like about this guy. And 893 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,400 Speaker 1: see when we went after on that in the two 894 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:39,239 Speaker 1: draft picks. Energy, high energy. These guys a possessed in 895 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 1: every game. Their motors will never stop running. And that's good. 896 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,760 Speaker 1: That's a good thing for the Cowboys because Mike Nolan 897 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 1: loves to an athletic defensive line. He's gonna be coming 898 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:56,160 Speaker 1: with a lot of blitzes. So this defense, if nothing else, 899 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,480 Speaker 1: it won't be boring. We're gonna we're gonna be a 900 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,360 Speaker 1: make a great defense no matter what happens. And hopefully 901 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,320 Speaker 1: we can be more make than break. All right, Mickey, 902 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,640 Speaker 1: think we just got less than a minute here. You 903 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 1: got any final words that you want to leave us with. Well, 904 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 1: I did see a story in Bill you kind of 905 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,759 Speaker 1: alerted to me talking about Alden Smith, the fact that 906 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,319 Speaker 1: you know, he hadn't played in five years. He's been 907 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,400 Speaker 1: working out and he's been working out at Jay Glazier's 908 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,719 Speaker 1: performance training site in La and you mentioned to me 909 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: he became he moved up from a two hundred and 910 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 1: sixty two hundred and sixty five pound defensive end to 911 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:43,120 Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty seven pounds. Well, it's not wasted weight. 912 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,880 Speaker 1: Jay Glazier was quoted as saying, the guy has become monstrous, 913 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:53,080 Speaker 1: he's become he's put on strength, he's put on muscle, 914 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:58,320 Speaker 1: and that they got some training exercise they do with 915 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: pulleys against the wall, and he said, we've had all 916 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:07,279 Speaker 1: these big guys working on this one technique, this one exercise, 917 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,440 Speaker 1: and he said he's the only guy that's pulled the 918 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,880 Speaker 1: entire contraption off the wall because he's gotten so strong. 919 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,319 Speaker 1: So all maybe two hundred eighty seven as a past 920 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,920 Speaker 1: rushing defensive end won't be bad. All right. My assignment 921 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,279 Speaker 1: for you, Mickey is find out by next week if 922 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,279 Speaker 1: he's still an edge rusher or is he closer to 923 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:34,120 Speaker 1: a one technique. Okay, that'll be my workout, my workout 924 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,680 Speaker 1: and my assignment, right, all right, signment, all right. For 925 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,080 Speaker 1: Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola. I'm Bill Jones, and we'll 926 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,280 Speaker 1: see you again next week at eleven o'clock Central Time 927 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,800 Speaker 1: for Mick Shots. This has been a production of Dallas 928 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,960 Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.