WEBVTT - Taking On Fox News (Live with Terry Moran!)

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<v Speaker 1>This is Gavin Newsom.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still learning the roads here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. And by the way, you're in Springfield right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't. I just got back this morning. I drove

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<v Speaker 2>back and today DHS announced sixty days and they're gone

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<v Speaker 2>for the Haitians. So the families that I met with,

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<v Speaker 2>who are you know, law abiding? They're working, they fill

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<v Speaker 2>out W two's, they pay taxes, they got Social Security numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>The mayor wants them, the governor wants them, the city

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<v Speaker 2>council wants some business, church leaders. Trump wants them out

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<v Speaker 2>based on a slander of them. And they have sixty

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<v Speaker 2>days and they're hiding in their homes. Governor, they are

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<v Speaker 2>hiding in their homes. And the baby's twelve hundred babies

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<v Speaker 2>born since they've been here. Now the spring Court throws

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<v Speaker 2>their fate into doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>It's, you know, good for you forgive me to selfishly

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<v Speaker 3>stadi it. It's so often and it's so interesting just

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<v Speaker 3>from your prism. Now this this sort of new alignment

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<v Speaker 3>with with where you're where, what you're doing. UH, that

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<v Speaker 3>you're going back to a story that everybody's moved on from.

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<v Speaker 3>UH that was weaponized in a rubric of debates and

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<v Speaker 3>a political campaign. Uh, and now reminding everybody of the

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<v Speaker 3>human side of all this and the impacts. But it's

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<v Speaker 3>what you just said about the mayor and the governor

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<v Speaker 3>and the community. Uh, this only reinforces just the absurdity

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<v Speaker 3>of this moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and now you're uh fighting back in a really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting way. I read the suit, I read the claims

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of questions. But you're suing Fox News. I

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<v Speaker 2>assume everybody's watching at this point, and there'll be more coming,

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<v Speaker 2>know that.

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<v Speaker 3>So why what's your beef and not well beef is

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<v Speaker 3>you know? You can't maliciously slander someone. You can't defame

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<v Speaker 3>someone by altering facts, editing facts, no, doing that without

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<v Speaker 3>being held to some higher level of ethics and accountability.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, we all know Fox is a propaganda network, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's under the guys of being a news organization, being journalists,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's rules of engagement as it relates to that.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, he Donald Trump and I had a

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<v Speaker 3>phone call on June sixth, early morning, maybe June seventh.

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<v Speaker 3>Four days later, Donald Trump lied and said, well, we

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<v Speaker 3>talked the day before. I highlighted the fact we never

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<v Speaker 3>talked the day before Fox decided to cover up for

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<v Speaker 3>the president's lie. Uh and they knowingly did that in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that defamed and I just think we need

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<v Speaker 3>to call that out now. It's it's one thing to

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<v Speaker 3>be on the receiving en and I've been on the

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<v Speaker 3>receiving that Fox for years and years and years. But

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<v Speaker 3>there's red lines, and on this red line that crossed it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I want a simple apology. I'm not looking. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got to file these in your your own, your

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<v Speaker 3>own individual accord. It's you know, the malice is a

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<v Speaker 3>high bar. But they're dead to write on this. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>they had a Chiron who said Gavin Lye Trump call.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, so they've got to apologize that they don't.

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<v Speaker 3>They need to be held to account and we want

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<v Speaker 3>to seek damages.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you're asking for an apology. And seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>eighty seven million dollars you heard.

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<v Speaker 3>That number before. Where'd that number come from? That's the

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<v Speaker 3>that's the dominion lawsuit. And this they reacted to the

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<v Speaker 3>dominion lawsuit with a press release that they put out

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<v Speaker 3>against this lawsuit that almost was you know, you almost

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<v Speaker 3>could have cut and pasted it. And they paid a

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<v Speaker 3>big price there. But what they did do is they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't fundamentally change their practices. And that's the point. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the point of this lawsuit. This money doesn't come to me,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not about any of that. This this is charity

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<v Speaker 3>goes someplace else. But this is about changing these practices,

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<v Speaker 3>these unethical practices.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I don't do this lightly.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a bunch of calls there, this is actually

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<v Speaker 3>why this happened.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I watched Jesse Waters. I watched John Roberts.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's just straight news John and Jesse tries

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<v Speaker 3>to sort herself in that respect. And I got a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of calls, said, why'd you lie about the Trump

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<v Speaker 3>call from friends? I said, what do you mean I

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<v Speaker 3>lied about it? Just making that up and say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not what I'm seeing on Fox. And so I'm

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<v Speaker 3>constantly battling that. I'm like, this is doing damage. It

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<v Speaker 3>was not just on the sixty five million people and

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<v Speaker 3>watched Fox and Fox Business, but hundreds of millions on

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<v Speaker 3>social and it was weaponized on the right and it

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<v Speaker 3>started to bleed it and and and so for me,

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<v Speaker 3>that crossed the line.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why I'm pushing back.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the way that's the system works on that side. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I was obviously in corporate legacy, mainstream media, whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a great career, loved it. I have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>bad to say about my colleagues. But it's like they're

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<v Speaker 2>fighting or they're trying to tell the truth blindfolded to

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<v Speaker 2>the reality of what's happening to the truth, is what

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<v Speaker 2>I would say. It was frustrating being in there because

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<v Speaker 2>there Trump has this power of bending reality for people,

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<v Speaker 2>and Fox's sister's whole ecosphere assists him in doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of both sides are the kind of vocabulary

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<v Speaker 2>that you can use is very difficult to serve the

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<v Speaker 2>people with still.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's it's it's look, it's and that's not news

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<v Speaker 3>worthy in and of itself. What you said, it's spot on,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's really eroding trust and it's hurting our democracy,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's it's code read. And you think Fox, who's

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<v Speaker 3>just the most blatant and you know, I mean just

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<v Speaker 3>notoriously the most blatant as it relates to being a

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<v Speaker 3>propaganda network, would have learned that lesson with that seven

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<v Speaker 3>and eighty seven million dollars settlement.

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<v Speaker 1>With dominion.

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<v Speaker 3>But they haven't, and they continue to cover up for

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<v Speaker 3>the folly and the lies of this president. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>one thing for the president to lie. It did it

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<v Speaker 3>just a few months moments ago, quite literally about water

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<v Speaker 3>in California.

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<v Speaker 1>Again any's obsession. But you don't cover up for that.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't willfully and knowingly and maliciously cover up for

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<v Speaker 3>those lies, edit information and alter what you present as

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<v Speaker 3>fact and defame people.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there something about the past few months in this

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<v Speaker 2>second term? And I don't want to post facto rationalize

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<v Speaker 2>what I did. I wasn't thinking it's too much. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the straw that breaks the camel's back. I thought I

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<v Speaker 2>was describing accurately a public figure in America.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, a few words rung more true than

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<v Speaker 1>those words. Forgive me. That's just my editorial opinion, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I actually was worse is it wasn't like a

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<v Speaker 2>drug tweet. I actually looked at it and I read it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's true, it's sin. There you go. But my point

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<v Speaker 2>is that there is this hammer blow, this daily bludgeoning

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<v Speaker 2>of the body politic with cruelty, right and and and

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<v Speaker 2>lies at every point demoralizes people. And I've seen you

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<v Speaker 2>over the past couple of years. It seems one of

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<v Speaker 2>things I really respected and enjoyed you doing was crossing

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<v Speaker 2>over going to Fox and and debating Hannity, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>taking them out of having a good debate with DeSantis.

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<v Speaker 2>People appreciate that. But there is there something about the

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<v Speaker 2>past few months and the Democrats crying out for someone

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<v Speaker 2>to do something that is part of the background to

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<v Speaker 2>you pulling what is in some ways it's done right

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<v Speaker 2>this lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, look back to lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 3>But let me go back almost three years ago today,

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<v Speaker 3>because we just celebrated and not celebrated. We lamented the

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<v Speaker 3>anniversary of the Dobbs decision three years ago. And I

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<v Speaker 3>remember being a playing parata in southern California in La say,

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<v Speaker 3>where the hell is my party? And it was an

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<v Speaker 3>indictment of individual leaders. It wasn't even indictment of the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the DNC. It was sort of, frankly, it

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<v Speaker 3>was dting on my own lack of accountability. At this

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<v Speaker 3>moment that the other side was dominating the narrative on

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<v Speaker 3>CRT and DEI ESG. They were censoring and historic facts,

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<v Speaker 3>rewriting history quite literally rewriting social studies books and places

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<v Speaker 3>like Florida. And I was watching the weaponization and the

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<v Speaker 3>propaganda coming from these networks, not just Fox One, American News, Newsmax,

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<v Speaker 3>and how they're able to shapeshift the conversation, and how

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<v Speaker 3>my party, the Democratic Party, was consistently on the defense.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's where I woke up. I said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>the world we're living in has happened on our watch.

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<v Speaker 3>Society becomes how we behave take some responsibility, man, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I decided I needed to actually not just complain

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<v Speaker 3>about something. I needed to do something. And that's when

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<v Speaker 3>I started to reach out and went on Fox and

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<v Speaker 3>I had Hannity.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, let's go.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go into Ronald Reagan's old building, the old governor's mansion,

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<v Speaker 3>where Reagan was ask me anything you want. Let's do

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<v Speaker 3>an unedited hour hour and a half interview. We did that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I started to go back on Fox, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>why I ended up. And I appreciate your reference to

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<v Speaker 3>the debate with Rondo Santis, and so I think that's healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a point.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of my members of my party were critical, saying,

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<v Speaker 3>why do you even indulge those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all fake news, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>But I thought it's important to meet people where they are,

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<v Speaker 3>so I sail that in the context of this lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 3>I have a high threshold for the bullshit on Fox.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the point, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't do this unless I felt they really did

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<v Speaker 3>cross the line, and I don't. It's not about money

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<v Speaker 3>for a nonprofit, it's about accountability. I really did hope

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<v Speaker 3>and expect after that dominion lawsuit they would stop, but

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<v Speaker 3>they haven't. And right now, if you're covering up for

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<v Speaker 3>the cruelty, God bless you, that's the right word, not

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<v Speaker 3>just the chaos, for the abject lies in mistruths of

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<v Speaker 3>this administration, you can't lay claim to being a news

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<v Speaker 3>organization any longer. That's what this lawsuits about.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is exactly the conundrum that my former

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<v Speaker 2>colleagues and across the establishment legacy, corporate, mainstream media, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you want to call it. They are doing their best.

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<v Speaker 2>I love my respect them. They're doing great work. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's something that's changed in this moment. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>moment in history where it requires a different response. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm discovering that in myself, and I do think

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<v Speaker 2>that I wonder if one of the things you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do is give heart to people who see this,

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<v Speaker 2>who are bludgeoned and either on the sidelines, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to get involved. They may have even voted for

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<v Speaker 2>Trump don't like it, or certainly the people who didn't

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<v Speaker 2>vot for Trump feeling in despair. He is all powerful,

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<v Speaker 2>controlling the narrative, and now just bring the hammer down

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<v Speaker 2>in every walk of life.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish I could show you a video I just

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<v Speaker 3>got right before we went on from a friend of

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<v Speaker 3>mine down in San Diego. In this young woman torn

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<v Speaker 3>away from her car by mass men, screaming and yelling,

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<v Speaker 3>turns out to be a housekeeper at a well known

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<v Speaker 3>hotel in southern California, a member of Local eleven unit

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<v Speaker 3>here just ripped off the streets by mass men. This

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<v Speaker 3>is the moral moment. This is happening in America. Have

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<v Speaker 3>five thousand federalized troops, the US military in the streets

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<v Speaker 3>of Los Angeles in twenty twenty five. Today, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>this is to your point, things have radically changed. You

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<v Speaker 3>can't operate with the old constructs people talk about. I heard,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there's been some punitry. You know, we're moving

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<v Speaker 3>towards authoritarianism, and it depends which lens, which set of

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<v Speaker 3>eyes you have. How About to that young woman on

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<v Speaker 3>the street, We're already there. For some of us that

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<v Speaker 3>have more privileged we're not there yet. And so I

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<v Speaker 3>want to speak for those folks to your point. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>for things to change, you've got to change. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>what happens, it's how we respond to what happens. And

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<v Speaker 3>I need to be held to a higher level of accountability.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I appreciate the frame of your question. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I've changed. I've changed.

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<v Speaker 1>I've changed when those National Guard were federalized.

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<v Speaker 3>I changed when I started to see members of our

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<v Speaker 3>community torn asunder, terrorized by these raids, and people in

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<v Speaker 3>masks and things that I've never thought i'd see in

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<v Speaker 3>this country, to see people deported, disappeared. I was with

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<v Speaker 3>a twelve year old boy, same age as of my kids, crying,

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<v Speaker 3>who lost his mother and father they disappeared. They went

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<v Speaker 3>to the same job site they've been going to twenty

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<v Speaker 3>years in Ox's, California, and he had no one, he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't even know get back in his own house. That's

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's America. So when you say those words terry about

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen Miller, you were goddamn right. Excuse my language, you

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<v Speaker 3>were right, and he is wrong, and it's wrong for

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<v Speaker 3>us to operate under the old rules. Forgive me for

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<v Speaker 3>being intense about this, but a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 3>counting us to do more and be better.

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<v Speaker 2>I respect that intensity. That's where we have to find

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<v Speaker 2>our courage, right, we have to find it there, and

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate what you're saying about that. I will say that,

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<v Speaker 2>having just gotten back one of the things, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't mind a personal note, the outpouring of people signing

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<v Speaker 2>up for this and actually very very kind and genuine

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<v Speaker 2>support for some I didn't, you know, from one perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>really screwed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not the way I'd recommend leaving a job.

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<v Speaker 2>But as I say, I'm kind of exhilarated and excited

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<v Speaker 2>by the possibilities and by the work ahead, the good

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<v Speaker 2>work that you're talking about ahead. But I do feel

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<v Speaker 2>that it became for a lot of people a galvanizing moment, right,

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<v Speaker 2>They a sense that, Okay, whatever you think of what

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<v Speaker 2>he said, including some of my neighbors, I live in

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of a purple neighborhood in Frederick, Maryland, closer

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<v Speaker 2>to Antietam and Gettysburg. Then at Washington, d C. And

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of my neighbors voted for Trump, and one

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<v Speaker 2>of them in particular, you know, very strong for Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>He told my wife, he said, tell your husband, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I really respect him. I though what he did was brave.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, look at us at his social feeds.

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<v Speaker 2>He loves that. It was very encouraging for me. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel very encouraged. But the point of it is, I

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<v Speaker 2>think the point the cruelty is the point to dishearten people,

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<v Speaker 2>make them amenable to more and more authority. And just

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<v Speaker 2>one more note. In Springfield, one of the young Asian

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<v Speaker 2>men that I spoke with, he had a brain tumor

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<v Speaker 2>in Haiti. They couldn't help him. Came to the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>started working, got on Obamacare, got the brain tumor operated on.

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<v Speaker 2>But they had to remove his pituitary glands. So he

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<v Speaker 2>needs to regulate his hormonal system. If they send him back,

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<v Speaker 2>he'll die. And he said, I don't go out of

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<v Speaker 2>the house because anyone can wear a mask. Memories from Haiti.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyone can wear a mask and put ice on them.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they're kidnappers or if they're the law.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are.

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<v Speaker 2>Thousands of people hiding in their homes from the federal

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<v Speaker 2>government who are were until a couple of weeks ago

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<v Speaker 2>here lawfully good employees. You go ask the businesses down there,

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<v Speaker 2>the dole plant, automachining plants. You ask the mayor and

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<v Speaker 2>the city council. These are good people, the vast majority

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<v Speaker 2>of them, and they're hiding from our government. That's to

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<v Speaker 2>me a disgrace. It is a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 3>But you've reinforced this point, and I want to amplify

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<v Speaker 3>the point I think you're making that the cruelty is

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<v Speaker 3>the point, but the point being that that demoralization just

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<v Speaker 3>completely neuters us, and we become numb, and we no

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<v Speaker 3>longer are active. We're inert, and that is exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>he wants. He wants to crush us into submission. He

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<v Speaker 3>wants to overwhelm. The shock in eyes about overwhelming us,

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<v Speaker 3>and so we cannot maintain neutrality at this time. It

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<v Speaker 3>was Dante said, the hottest place in Hell is reserved

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<v Speaker 3>at a time more christis for those that maintain their neutrality.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not a neutral moment, and I think, look,

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<v Speaker 3>this lawsuit, I hope represents just an expression of that

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<v Speaker 3>I want both to know we're not just going to

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<v Speaker 3>roll over, that We're gonna have people's backs, people that

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<v Speaker 3>may not have a voice, people that may not have

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<v Speaker 3>the privilege that you and I have to even be

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<v Speaker 3>able to go on substack, to be able to have

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<v Speaker 3>this conversation, to reach a few people that are kind

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<v Speaker 3>enough to take the time to listen to know that

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<v Speaker 3>they matter and we care. There are people out there

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<v Speaker 3>that give a damn. You gave a damn to go

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<v Speaker 3>back to Springfield and checking with people that that that

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<v Speaker 3>were used purely as a political you know, political fodder,

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<v Speaker 3>that were used as subjects, not human beings, and to

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<v Speaker 3>humanize them. Uh, that's important, and it's more important now

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<v Speaker 3>than ever. So Look, I think it's in that same

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<v Speaker 3>spirit that that that we initiated this lawsuit and same

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<v Speaker 3>spirit to which we're pushing back against, uh, these authoritarian

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<v Speaker 3>and tendencies and uh and in Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't can I ask you before before we move on

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<v Speaker 2>the the New York May Old primary, mc donnie winning

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<v Speaker 2>winning and and Cuomo going down to defeat a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of Democrats are seeing that as as a signal of

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<v Speaker 2>a new direction. A lot of other Democrats are saying

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<v Speaker 2>that this is maybe New York City, but it would

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<v Speaker 2>not work in other parts of the country. How do

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<v Speaker 2>you read that politically?

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<v Speaker 3>I think my my experience in this respect is we

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<v Speaker 3>tend to overstate in the short term lessons learned, or

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<v Speaker 3>we extrapolite the lessons that frankly just reinforce our own

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<v Speaker 3>pre existing biases of.

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<v Speaker 1>What this means or what this doesn't mean.

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<v Speaker 3>But to the credit of man Donnie, this was a

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<v Speaker 3>hell of a campaign. I mean, you know, you could

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<v Speaker 3>distinguish the message from the messenger, but his ability to

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<v Speaker 3>galvanize and to organize, to use the tools of technology.

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<v Speaker 1>And new media to create a.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought, a personality that even if you disagreed, you

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<v Speaker 3>kind of had a little more trust and was rather extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 3>And so from that perspective, in the power of emulation

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<v Speaker 3>success leaves some clues. Now what this means ultimately for

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<v Speaker 3>the Democratic Party, was this really apprediation of Cuomo came

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<v Speaker 3>out with a lot of baggage. Was this more parochial

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<v Speaker 3>politics in the context of just one American city, though

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<v Speaker 3>the largest is to be to turn.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's a one thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it is is a giant wake up call

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<v Speaker 3>that democracy is still alive and well bottom up. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you're looking at this for the prism, I think

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<v Speaker 3>particularly U Speaker Johnson, you're recognizing you got eighteen months left.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you're looking at this, as Susie Wiles, the

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<v Speaker 3>chief of staff of the President, your administration ends in

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen months. We're going to take back the house. Where

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<v Speaker 3>you're seeing young people reawaken here. They haven't gotten the

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<v Speaker 3>message about the cynicism yet, they're still engaged. And for me,

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<v Speaker 3>that was maybe the most compelling takeaway from what occurred

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<v Speaker 3>last week.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that that is a great positive, hardening end because

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<v Speaker 2>people people are looking for something to look forward to,

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<v Speaker 2>the good hard work of saving the country, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Saving the kind of look at you know, if it's

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<v Speaker 3>what cannot overstate, that's that's simple statement that you just

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<v Speaker 3>made Supreme Court, Maate.

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<v Speaker 1>It more challenging today.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, we just cannot live in the divided States of

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<v Speaker 3>America any longer. Uh you know, I'm sort of paraphrasing

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<v Speaker 3>Bill play. You can't divorce is not an option. We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to find the terms of the future

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<v Speaker 3>to live and advance together across our differences. And and

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<v Speaker 3>and I think you know, one thing people need to

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<v Speaker 3>see is other people's courage. And and for those people

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<v Speaker 3>that turned out and voted, uh, that's that's an active citizenship.

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<v Speaker 3>And the office of citizen right now is the most

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<v Speaker 3>important office of all. And and I think for all

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<v Speaker 3>the assaults on institutions, that's the institution that will endure.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what gives me hope and optimism.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, great, thanks, thanks very much. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just fun.

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<v Speaker 1>This was fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Terry, thanks for having me on and Congress on everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep doing what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you, good luck, good luck in court.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you with them