1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huttle on giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: dot Com. Here we go on the Giants Mobile. Let 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: him in, Let's Go, part of the Giants Podcast Network. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giantshuttle Podcast. My name 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: is John Schmoke. Today's guest Mike Floyer from Pro Football Talk. 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: But first or reminder, the John's Little Podcast is brought 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: to you by psc and G Energy Efficiency for game 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: time and anytime, visit PSEG dot com slash Giants for discounts, 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: rebates and home energy assessments. All right, in this podcast, guys, 10 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, Mike and I gonna throw some numbers around. 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that is not construed 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: as me advocating for you know, any type of number 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: that Daniel deserves the Giants should offer that he should request. 14 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: You know, we're just talking about what this negotiation might 15 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: look like and how it might go. I'm certainlying on 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: a position to try to negotiate for the organization or 17 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: the player. So we're throwing out hypothetical just kind of 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: figure out exactly what's going on here, what was behind 19 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: some of Mike's reports from earlier in the week, And 20 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: it should be a lot of fun to kind of 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: get a feel for how this might go with little 22 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: less than two weeks now left on that franchise deadline. 23 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to it. And now we're joined 24 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: by Mike Florio. He's the head hauncho over Pro Football Talk. 25 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: He had and of course he does a show on 26 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: NBC Sports as well, and he had a report earlier 27 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: in the week talking about Daniel Jones switching agents and 28 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: what that might mean for the Giants and their offseason. Mike, 29 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: what's going on? Man? How are you hey? Great to 30 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: be with you. I've been called many things. Head Han 31 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: Show is a rarity. I like it. I should get 32 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: some business cards. Wouldn't that be great to just go 33 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: around and pass out business cards that has your name 34 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: and just says head Han Show underneath. How do you 35 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: give me an idea? This is already worth my time. 36 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: I like it. I like it very good. All right, 37 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read from your report here, Mike, and then 38 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: I kind of want to dig into exactly what some 39 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: of the language means here. So this is what you 40 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: wrote earlier in the week. Typically, a player who terminates 41 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: his representation must wait five days before signing with a 42 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: new firm SAA. We're told waive the five day period. 43 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: As to Daniel Jones, So what does Jones want? There 44 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: are two possibilities. One he's willing to do a deal 45 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: for less than CIA was willing to accept. Are two 46 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: he wants more than CIA was able to get. As 47 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: one Sorts explained, it's the latter. Jones wants more than 48 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: the giants of offer, possibly as much as forty five 49 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: million per year or more. So I guess the word 50 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: I want to dig into is possibly right? Can you 51 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: just explain to me, is that you know? Is that 52 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: something that him and his Dow agency have discussed that 53 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: he wants? Can you just kind of dig into that 54 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: a little bit for me? Sure? And I have to 55 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: be careful because I never want to reveal sources, but right, 56 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: and and by the way, just and just I'm not 57 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: asking for your sources obviously, okay, And I appreciate that, 58 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: but I want to preface it for myself because if 59 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: I don't say it, the next thing, you know, I've 60 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: said too much. Of course, but here's the reality. Things 61 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: like this happen, and then you start to get dribs 62 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: and drabs and bits and pieces of the official versions 63 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: after the fact. And you know, one of the things 64 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: I've heard after the fact is well, no formal offers 65 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: were ever exchanged between Jones and the Giants. Okay, fine, 66 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean informal numbers weren't bandied about. There 67 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: has been a sense that momentum was building toward the 68 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: Giants getting a deal done for Daniel Jones, and the 69 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: loose understanding has been in the range of thirty five 70 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: million per year. And when you look at the non 71 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: exclusive franchise tag, thirty two point four one six million, 72 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: a long term deal with an average value of thirty 73 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: five million is in line with what the tag would 74 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: get him on a multi year deal. So then, out 75 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: of the blue, at a time when there were reasons 76 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: to believe that things were progressing, even if formal offers 77 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: had never been exchanged. Everyone's on the same page until 78 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: they're not. And to have Daniel Jones choose to move 79 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: from CIA to athletes first, so abruptly and so close 80 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: to the moment where it's time to put pen to 81 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: paper that implies that they're white. He didn't just roll 82 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: out a bed one and say, boy, you know I've 83 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: had this agency for the last four years and really 84 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: getting close to the time to start negotiating. But you 85 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: know what, before, I'm not even gonna give him a 86 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: chance to do it. I'm gonna fire them and hire 87 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: somebody else. Common sense tells us that we don't get 88 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: to the point that Daniel Jones changes agents unless he's 89 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: hearing from his current agency numbers, concepts, ranges he doesn't like. 90 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: That's what prompted the change. And now Athletes First is 91 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: going to try to get him him more. And look, 92 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: just forty five million sound excessive. Well, yes, because Patrick 93 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: Mahomes makes forty five million, but he chose to make less. 94 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: The market is always going up, the salary cap is 95 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: always going up, and we always think of this in 96 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: terms of how much a player makes, and we were like, 97 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: oh my god, that's too much. Well, right, but the 98 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: owners are making making more. We never focused on that 99 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: part of it, that the revenue keeps going up, that 100 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: the rising tide keeps lifting all boats. We look at 101 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: what one of the boats is worth and we say 102 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: that's an awful lot. We'll look at all the other 103 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: boats in the sea. Everybody's making more. So forty five 104 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: million isn't crazy when you think about how he played 105 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: last year and the leverage that he currently has in 106 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: the reality that if he wants to, he could do 107 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: the Cousins thing, play this year under the tag, next 108 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: year under the TAGAG, and walk away as a free agent. 109 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: And that may be how this all plays out, given 110 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: where we are right now. Yeah, and look, and you 111 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: actually led me exactly where I was going to go next, right, 112 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: Because you do those two tags consecutively, you get to 113 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: around like seventy one and a half million, right, So 114 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: let's give or take thirty six between thirty five and 115 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: thirty six per so, I guess four Giants for the Giants, 116 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: even for Jones right where he had one really good year, 117 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: you want to see what he does in a second 118 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: year with maybe some better pieces around them before you 119 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: want to do a big money, long term commitment for 120 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: Jones as a quarterback. To your point, it's always getting 121 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: reset the market with Herbert and Burrow coming up, Lamar 122 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: Jackson coming up. You know you look with Dak Prescott, 123 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: did he three year deal? He wants to be able 124 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: to hit it again. Do you think where this could 125 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: find up if it's not the tag is kind of 126 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: like a shorter deal almost maybe kind of what there 127 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: Car signed a couple of years ago, where it's for 128 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more money. The giants have a way out. 129 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: Jones has a way to cash in sooner. Do you 130 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: think if they don't do a tag and they do 131 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: figure a deal out, would it be something in the 132 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: shorter range or would it be a longer term deal. Well, 133 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: there's a certain point where Daniel Jones just needs to say, 134 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: I'll bet on myself. And we always love it when 135 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: guys bet on themselves because if they win, we can 136 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: applaud and take some satisfaction in seeing a guy bet 137 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: on himself, and if they lose, we just say, oh, well, 138 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: it's not our money. But you know, for him, you 139 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: look at thirty two point four one six million this 140 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: year fully guaranteed if he gets tagged twenty percent raise 141 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: for next year, and you're right, the sum of the 142 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: two years with the twenty percent raise is seventy one 143 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: and then third year. One of the reasons why Kirk 144 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: Cousins didn't get the third year is the bump is 145 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: forty four percent, not twenty percent to the third year, 146 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: and I ran the numbers earlier this week. It's right 147 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 1: around an average of forty two million over three years 148 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: if you do three tags, and maybe they would do 149 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: three tags, and even then they're south of what he 150 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: wants if he wants forty five million. So the Giants 151 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: have the luxury here and this kind of plays right 152 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: into their hands. We get to take another year and 153 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: see if last year was the aberration or the rule, 154 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: and then maybe we can do another year, and the 155 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: moment he falls off, we're proven right. If he keeps 156 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: playing well, we'll gladly give him forty five million. Now, 157 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: the market's going to keep changing and the number is 158 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: gonna keep going up, but it's easier to justify it 159 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: if he sustains the success that he showed in twenty 160 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: twenty two. So I don't think if I'm him, I 161 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to do a short term deal. I'd want 162 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: to go year to year because if they offer me 163 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: a short term deal, the best I'm going to get 164 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: is what I would get the next two years under 165 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: the franchise tag seventy one million over the first two years, 166 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: and then how do you deal with year three? I 167 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: would if I'm caught a look, we know that all 168 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks an All NFL player, they have to be 169 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: confident or they wouldn't be able to go out there 170 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: and do the job. They have to be confident to 171 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: the point of delusional. If I'm Daniel Jones and I'm 172 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: faced with a short term deal, I just as soon 173 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: say I'll do TAG this year, tag next year, and 174 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: let's see what happens in twenty to twenty five. Yeah, 175 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: I guess I asked about maybe a potential two year 176 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: deal for example, because there's no guarantee the second tag 177 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: is coming, right. You know, Let's say Jones misses seven 178 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: eight games due to injury, which is not unprecedented. He 179 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: has done that before, right, and the Giants are uncomfortable with, 180 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, thirty eight or thirty nine on that second 181 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: year tag. If he does a two year deal, you know, 182 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: maybe he won't get too both years fully guaranteed, but 183 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: you would get more guaranteed in that two year deal 184 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: than you would just on their one year of the tag. 185 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And that's a good point. 186 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: And the question becomes, are you willing to make that 187 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: commitment when you know I could go this year and 188 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: get thirty two next year and get whatever it is, 189 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: thirty five, thirty six, thirty seven, whatever the twenty percent 190 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: bump is, I think like thirty eighty seven. I think 191 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, right, because it's got to add 192 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: up seventy one. But I'll take let's just say seventy 193 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: one for two two years. But then what happens after that? Now, 194 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: if you would structure a two year deal with a 195 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: commitment that he doesn't get tagged in the third year, 196 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: that may be attractive then, because that's how Dak Prescott's 197 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: four year deal is structured, the way that it voids, 198 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: the way that it ends, there's no way that they 199 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: can tag him after that fourth year. So if that's 200 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: the quid pro quo, I'll commit to two years of 201 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: franchise tag salary, but after year three, we're going to 202 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: have this thing end in a way that guarantees I 203 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: won't be tagged either franchise or transition. That may be 204 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: acceptable to Daniel Jones. Then the team takes on some 205 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: of the injury risk, They take on the risk that 206 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: he wouldn't be any good this year, and they would 207 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: decide not to tag him next year, and then he's 208 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: able to walk away after twenty twenty four unless they 209 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: would sign him to a new contract, and at that 210 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: point it would be a contract at reflects market value. 211 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: I mean, look, the bottom line is the franchise tag 212 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: is bad for players because it keeps them from realizing 213 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: their market value, either from their own team or some 214 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: other team. It gives you squatters rights usually for less 215 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: than what the market is. Thirty two point four is 216 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: far below what the current market is for quarterbacks at 217 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: the high end. So that if you could do that, 218 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: if the Giants do that, and it's a fascinating question, 219 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: would they do that. If they would do that, that 220 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: would be not a bad deal for Daniel Jones. Yeah. 221 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: I think what Derek Clark gets will be interesting too, 222 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,599 Speaker 1: and that might dictate too. I think some of that 223 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: shorter term negotiations. Last one on Daniel before I jump 224 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: up to sae quon, Mike, what can you tell me 225 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: about his new agents? I know it's not the same 226 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: agents that Dak had a athletes first, right, but it's 227 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: the same agency. What can you tell me about how 228 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: they operate and what they might or how might they 229 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: prefer to try to structure a deal when they eventually 230 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: try to get one done with Daniel Well, I look, 231 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: it's not like Daniel Jones went from group of wet 232 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: behind the ears Greenhorn agents too in shop established right right. 233 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: He just he went from one of the top agencies 234 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: to another of the top agencies. And I try not 235 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 1: to ever list the top agencies because then you leave 236 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: somebody off, somebody gets pissed off. You got to spend 237 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: all day on the phone with this. Why didn't you 238 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: mention me? Like with Lamar Jackson, I've said how long 239 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: he needs to have a good agent, and it doesn't 240 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: take a whole lot of work to start listing the 241 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: good agencies. And for Lamar Jackson, if he was ever 242 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: going to consider agencies CIAA and Athletes first, or two 243 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: of the agencies he should consider because they would get 244 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: him the deal that he deserves, and more importantly, they 245 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: would give him good advice on why you take the 246 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: best offer that's on the table, or how you go 247 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: about engineering things to get what it is you're looking for. 248 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: Athletes first got the five year, fully guaranteed deal for 249 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson with twenty plus civil lawsuits hanging over his head, 250 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: so both firms can get the job done. My point 251 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: is In my opinion, there isn't enough of a difference 252 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: between Athletes First and CIA for Daniel Jones to think 253 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: that they're going to get him anything other than what 254 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: CIA would have gotten him. All they're going to get 255 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: him is the franchise tag. That's the end result here. 256 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: Whatever deal CIAA could have done or would have done, 257 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: is going to be comfortable with whatever deal Athletes First 258 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: could have won, could have done, or will do. But 259 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, Daniel Jones felt like it was in 260 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: his best interest to make the change, and he's got 261 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: every right to do it. But I'd be very surprised 262 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: if whatever CIA would have gotten is going to be 263 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: all that different than what Athletes First does get. So 264 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: I guess the theme would be then, just a quick 265 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: follow up is that he's comfortable on the franchise tag, right, 266 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: because if you're gonna shoot for the stars, you have 267 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: to be ready for that to be your fallback. Right. 268 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: One of the arguments that I make in my book 269 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: playmakers apologize for the gratuitous plug ahead. It fits here 270 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: because the franchise tag, as I mentioned earlier, is bad 271 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: for players. It is, but there are still ways a 272 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: player can use it to his advantage, like Kirk Cousins did, 273 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: Like Kirk Cousins did, and Tremaine Johnson that same year 274 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: cornerback he had been tagged twice by the Rams, hit 275 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: free agency, got a big contract from the Jets. It 276 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: didn't last long but that. But you know, the farther 277 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: you are away from the football, the easier it is 278 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: to go year to year. Somebody asked me earlier this 279 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: week about durn Payne, the Commander's defensive tackle, who is 280 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: likely to be tagged nine percent likely. Well, for him, 281 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,599 Speaker 1: two years a tag, there's no guarantee you're gonna be 282 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: healthy enough, effective enough, because you're in the scrum. You're 283 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: in that that twister game of bodies where it's amazing 284 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: legs don't get broken more often than they do. It's 285 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: a rarity. But you know all that force and pressure quarterback, 286 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: they're the most protective player on the field other than 287 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: the punter or the kicker. So you can do that 288 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: if you're Daniel Jones, and you can take some solace 289 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: in the idea that I'll go through two years of 290 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: the tag. They didn't pick up my fifth year option, 291 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: so I got six, same as Kirk Cousins. I got 292 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: six years and I'm still on the front end of 293 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: my prime. I can go into free agency. I can 294 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: dictate my terms, assuming they don't tag me a third time. 295 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: So that's a way that players can weaponize a thing 296 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: that has always been a weapon the teams used to 297 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: keep the best players off the open market. So if 298 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Jones, yeah, i go into this fully comfortable 299 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: and confident that I'll play under the tag this year. 300 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: If need be, I'll do it next year, and then 301 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: I become a free agent in year three, or you 302 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: pay me enough in year three that I will have 303 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: made forty million a year plus over the past three seasons. 304 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to sa quond here, Mike, and 305 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: I think this is fascinating. The running back market has 306 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: been on a decline, right, and it's such a rich 307 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: running back market this year. Or guys in free agency, mileson, 308 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: there's David Montgomery, Josh Jacobs and throwing you know, guys 309 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: like Kareem Hunt, Alexander Madison, like these are guys that 310 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: could be starters for teams. Plus it's a very strong 311 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: draft class where people tell me five or six starters 312 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: could come out of this draft class. In the early rounds. 313 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: So if sa Quan does have to get differ agent 314 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: market and they do franchise Jones, I mean, I don't 315 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: see him getting a McCaffrey offer, is he I mean, 316 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: does he get to fourteen? Is it going to be 317 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: around twelve. I'm really curious to see how much people 318 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: are willing to pay a premium a guy like Barkley 319 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: when there are so many of their options out there 320 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: that would probably cost less. Yeah, my gut tells me 321 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: that it would be something in that range of ten 322 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: to twelve with kickers in there based upon ability to play, 323 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: because look, you know, guys like se Quon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey, 324 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: when they're injured, fans want to say they're injury prone. Well, no, 325 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: the players aren't injury prone. The position is prone to 326 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: injuring players. You are running into that scrum of bodies 327 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier. You are in car crash 328 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: after car crash. That's what Chris Simms refers to it 329 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: as these are car crash hits that running backs take. 330 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: So the nature of the position is you have a 331 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: high injury risk and because of that, the teams don't 332 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: want to have a lot of money tied to any 333 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: given player knowing that there is a very real risk 334 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: that the player is going to get injured. And just 335 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: because Saquon Barkley emerged from twenty twenty two unscathed doesn't 336 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: mean that he won't suffer an injury Week one of 337 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, or like he did early in what 338 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: was it twenty nineteen where he sprained his ankle against 339 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: the Buccaneers and he wasn't the same the rest of 340 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: the year, and then he had the torn ACL in 341 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty and then twenty twenty one is coming back 342 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: from the torn ACL. So it was four years between 343 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: great seasons, truly great seasons. That's a lot of money 344 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: to pay for the reality that the risk of the 345 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: position is that you're going to have injuries inevitably. I 346 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: don't care who it is. Emma Smith is the one 347 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: guy I can think of historically, at least over the 348 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: past thirty years. Tomlinson, who's at Tomlinson Ladanian. Tomlinson was 349 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: pretty healthy going, you keep going, you keep going, you 350 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: keep going. Despite all that. Adrian Peterson to a certain except, 351 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: but he missed plenty of time due to injury. You 352 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: know he had a Week two twenty sixteen with the 353 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: vikings and meniscus thing that knocked him out for most 354 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: of the rest of the year. So I think that 355 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: it would have to be something that you know has 356 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: a healthy but not excessive base amount, and then extra 357 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: money in there that would be tied to playing, be 358 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: tied to yardage. And you're right, Look, you're paying a 359 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: lot for the name at this point, because you can. 360 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: You can be a dollar for dollar. You can get 361 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: equivalent talent, you can you can draft a guy nobody's 362 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: ever heard of who could be as good as say 363 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: bon Barkley this year. And the fact that nobody's ever 364 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: heard of him, Okay, we will hear of him when 365 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: he's the guy who is creating the highlights and scoring 366 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: the touchdowns. That's how it works, and that's why I 367 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: think teams migrated away from the workhorse tailback approach to 368 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: having two or three guys, because then you don't have 369 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: that one star player that you politically feel compelled in 370 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: order to keep your fan base happy. All those people 371 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: who have the guy's jersey, all those people that have 372 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: him on their fantasy team, we have to keep him. 373 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: We can't let him go, and Sean Alexander was the 374 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: first guy that really caused teams to start to say, 375 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: there's a mistake in going all eggs in the basket 376 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: with one guy, because then we have to pay him 377 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: and then the bottom drops out of the basket and 378 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: we're stuck. And it's not the player's fault if it happens. 379 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: The game catches up to you when you are in 380 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: those car crash hits all the time. So it's going 381 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: to be a fascinating experiment because I really do think 382 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: if they could get a deal done with Jones, they 383 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: would tag Barkeley. And from Jones' perspective, if he wants 384 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: to be as good as he can be, it probably 385 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: helps to have Barkley around. But if it's not Barkley, 386 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: it's going to be somebody else, And there's a chance 387 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: that somebody else will end up being pretty good if 388 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: you're blocking for him. And this is the key. This 389 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: is an epiphany that I had twenty years ago because 390 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: he used to go all to the West Virginia University 391 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: home games every year. There was a guy who could 392 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: play in the NFL at running back. If you can 393 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: block for him, if you can count on them not 394 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: to fumble the ball, and if you can trust him 395 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: to pick up blitzers, they are the supply far out 396 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: ways to demand and that's what's working against sequat Barkley. Now, 397 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: all right, so I think you actually brought this full 398 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: circle pretty well with your comment there about you know, 399 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: Jones wanting the most around them to maximize his future value, right, 400 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: especially if he gets tagged. So what do you think 401 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: the best way is for the Giants to try to 402 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: get the most out of Daniel Jones? Because I think 403 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: last year's year was good, but the production, especially passing wise, 404 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: wasn't phenomenal because you mentioned it, the wide receivers weren't great, 405 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: the protection wasn't great. He made a lot of not 406 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: a whole lot around him. So what do you think 407 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: the best path is for the Giants here, Mike this offseason? 408 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: Put your GM hat on now to build around Jones 409 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: with the resources they have available to them, with Barkley 410 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: potentially a free agent staying or leaving, to try to 411 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: get the most out of Jones, to see if he 412 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: can be a top seven or eight quarterback that you 413 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: can invest that big contract in over a long period 414 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: of time. Well, clearly help is needed the receiver position. Now. 415 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: I know that they're happy with what they found in 416 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: Isaiah Hodgens and he's developing into a good player, but 417 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: you still need more quality pass catchers. They need to 418 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: admit the mistake Kenny Golladay and move on obviously. But 419 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, the the one thing this Giant's team has 420 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: in common with the teams that want a couple of 421 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: Super Bowls over the past fifteen years offensive line, defensive line. 422 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: And that's it's cliche, but that's what drives a good team. 423 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: When the offensive line is playing really well, the skill 424 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: position players in the quarterback get all the glory, but 425 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: it's because you have an offensive line that is able 426 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: to buy them time to do what they need to do. 427 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: And then when you have a defensive line that is 428 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: becoming increasingly disruptive, as this one is, that makes it 429 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 1: easier to get the other offense off the field, get 430 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: the ball back to your team, creates some points off turnovers, 431 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: get good field position, etc. But I think that if 432 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: we want to see Daniel Jones fully and completely developed, 433 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: they need to upgrade the core of pass catchers. That's 434 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: the next step here, and and this is part of 435 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: the tension. It's kind of becoming like the running back position. 436 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: Do you pay for a vet or do you draft 437 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,239 Speaker 1: a guy? Because there's so many great receivers coming out 438 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: and the reason, you know, everybody I've ever asked this 439 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: question too tells me the same thing. The proliferation of 440 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: all these seven on seven camps that have been used 441 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: to accelerate the development of quarterbacks. Somebody's catching all those 442 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: passes after running those routes, and the receivers are developing 443 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: at the same rate as the quarterbacks. And so there's 444 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: a lot of great receivers out there. They're incredible athletes, 445 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: the best athletes on the field arguably, but there's a 446 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: lot of them out there. So you got to ask yourself, 447 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: do we draft someone or do we pay? And given 448 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: recent history for the Giants, having a guy fall into 449 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: your lap who can get it done is a far 450 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: better investment than going out and paying for an established name. 451 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: Do you have time for two more questions? Mike, sure? 452 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: All right? Wide receivers number one guys, The pattern we've 453 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: seen the last couple of years is the two number 454 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: ones have not been reaching free agency right the team 455 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: trades them before they get there. Whether it's Davante Adams, 456 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, go down the list. So if you really 457 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: want to get that number one wide receiver, do you 458 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: and he wanted to be a veteran, do you have 459 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: to trade for him at this point? And or are 460 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: we going to find a spotty where one of the 461 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: guys actually does it free agency and I'm talking like 462 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: a true number one, or you're gonna have to go 463 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: to draft if you want to try to find that 464 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: real out out there, I think you're going to have 465 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: to go to the draft to find the true number 466 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,239 Speaker 1: one guy, the guy who commands double coverage, the guy 467 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: who keeps the defensive coordinator up at night saying, holy crap, 468 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: how am I going to ever neutralize this player? I 469 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: think you have to find him in the draft. And look, 470 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: there's plenty of great receivers in the draft, but yeah, 471 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: you really can't draw a clear line between college production, 472 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: NFL potential, and guy who's going to truly strike fear 473 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: in the hearts of everyone who is out there on 474 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: the field trying to deal with him. So, yeah, we've 475 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: seen this model develop and it takes two sides of 476 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: the coin. To make it work. You need the team 477 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: that is willing to invest draft picks and big money 478 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: and established number one receiver, and then you have to 479 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: have the team that's willing to let their established number 480 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: one receiver go. It worked for the Chiefs, it didn't 481 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: work for the Packers, right, So, and look with the 482 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: Titans and the Eagles. I suspect Mike Rabel based on 483 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: how he reacted to the news that aj Brown had 484 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: been traded to the Eagles, probably didn't work for the 485 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: Titans very well to move on, and it seemed to 486 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: work for the Eagles. So and it worked for the Dolphins. 487 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: Now did it work for the Raiders. I don't know. 488 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: They got a lot of other issues, but I think 489 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: you're right. To get a number one receiver, you got 490 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: to be ready to trade for him. And there has 491 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: to be a team that it's ready to trade the 492 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: guy that they have. And there may be more names 493 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: like that. There are plenty of guys out there that 494 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: are due to be paid that may not get the 495 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: money that they want from the team they have, and 496 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: that team's mindset maybe will flip this guy we have 497 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: into draft picks and try to replenish him replace him 498 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: that way. So there may be some guys out there, 499 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to give up at least a 500 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: first round draft pick to get them all. Right, find 501 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: a question, Mike. We'll all be out of the combine 502 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: and in the next league, which is basically an NFL convention. Right, 503 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: everyone's out there, everyone's talking to everybody. What are some 504 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: of the things that you're keeping your ear out for 505 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: that you things interesting that could be happening around the 506 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: league in the next three weeks that could really kind 507 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: of mold and guide where the NFL is heading in 508 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: the next couple of years in terms of player movement 509 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: stuff at the league level, ownership level, anything you're kind 510 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: of keeping an eye on and your ear out for 511 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: when you're an indie. Next week, well, how question? The 512 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: number one issue that's pending is what's going to happen 513 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers. Now that he's emerged from his darkness retreat, 514 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: It's time for him to let the Packers know what 515 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: he's going to do, because next week is the week 516 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: to work out a deal. Next week's the week if 517 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: you're going to trade him to the Jets, trade him 518 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: to the Raiders, trade him to wherever. Rodgers has to 519 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: tell the Packers. First of all, I want to play. 520 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: Second of all, I don't want to play for you. Third, 521 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: here's where i'd like to go. Next week is the 522 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: time to do it. You consider the Jets have had 523 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: Derek Carr in and maybe Derek Carr's Plan B and 524 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers's Plan A. You got to know if Aaron 525 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: Rodgers is going to be there before you pivot to 526 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: Derek Carr. Meaning while Derek car may sign with the 527 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: Saints or may go visit Carolina, who knows, and that 528 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: deal's one and he's off the market before Rogers has 529 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: let anybody know what he's gonna do. So I'm paying 530 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: very close attention to that because just before we started this, 531 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: I was taping an episode of PFTPM that'll be available 532 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: later today. But it dawned on me. You know, we 533 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: assume that Rogers needs to let everyone know right now 534 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: what he's going to do, But what if he would 535 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: retire from the Packers now and then unretire later like 536 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: Brett Farve did fifteen years ago. Would teams who supposedly 537 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: otherwise to have their plans in place, like the Jets, 538 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: the Bucks and other teams would have done in two 539 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: thousand and eight with Farve just throw their guy overboard 540 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: and welcome Rogers at the time training camp starts. So 541 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: I wonder whether he feels the same urgency he said. 542 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: He said he's going to make a decision, so the 543 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: Packers know. Well, it's one thing thing for the Packers 544 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: to know that he's not going to be there. It's 545 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: another thing for him to truly not be there and 546 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: not unretire later and then force his way to whatever 547 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: team he wants to play for. So the whole Rogers 548 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: thing looms over the NFL until we know what he's 549 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: gonna do. And even if he retires, just like with 550 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, I won't completely believe that he's done. Mike, 551 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: this was tremendous. I really appreciate the time digging into 552 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: the Daniel Jones stuff. It was great content. I'll see 553 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: on Indy. I'll come by, say hi, good luck, and 554 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: we'll talk soon. All right, all right, I appreciate it. 555 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: Have a great weekend.