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Speaker 1: Hats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and

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Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the

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Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history.

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Speaker 2: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall Fame,

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Speaker 2: Mike Gravel.

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Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments

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Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

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Speaker 2: coy Or. Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard,

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Speaker 2: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 3: Good to be home, Good to see you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the past. Anywhere you get your podcast.

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Speaker 2: You get it to overtime, you don't come come away

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Speaker 2: with the word yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's disappointing. At the same time, I thought

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Speaker 3: in the game first half and second half that I

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Speaker 3: thought we executed it well on going into overtime. I

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Speaker 3: felt good about our chances, just didn't pull it out.

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Speaker 2: Drake May ends up being responsible arm and legs for

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Speaker 2: three hundred and one of your three hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 2: total yards on Offensey. I think he's your lead rusher

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Speaker 2: for three out of four games. You feel like you

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Speaker 2: gotta find a way to get that run game going to.

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Speaker 3: Help you absolutely help out a little bit. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: know my son last night like that. What's wrong with

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Speaker 3: like that, and us as coaches, you know, we're in

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Speaker 3: You know, in the first half we were under one

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Speaker 2: When you sent Drake May the memo, did you bold

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Speaker 3: Look this guy, you know, he's a competitor. He's also

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Speaker 4: Being a rookie though, and being able to get continue

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Speaker 3: He's a competitor. He's a competitor, and I think as

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Speaker 5: One of the things that I noticed yesterday is that

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Speaker 5: just sloppy, stupid penalties, And at one point I said

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't necessarily agree with all the penal these

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Speaker 6: Girodd the final play of regulation, unbelievable extension of the

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Speaker 3: We always stay ahead of the game, and that conversation

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Speaker 3: two and we don't get it a couple of games ago,

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Speaker 5: Jerd. It's interesting you say that because we as fans,

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Speaker 5: we play you know, we're playing the Madden game, Go

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Speaker 5: for two, go for two, but you're playing the game

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Speaker 5: in reality of like, by kicking the extra point gives

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Speaker 5: You know, if you who win the toss, is that

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Speaker 5: the mindset that you had, like this gives us the

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Speaker 2: But you just said the ifs I mean you have

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Speaker 3: You know, well we didn't. We didn't win the toss, right.

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Speaker 2: Do you get analytics on that or you may.

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Speaker 3: We always look at analytics, and I would say we

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Speaker 3: You have to remember the things that you talked about,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people think, you know, when you say analytics,

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Speaker 3: like the weather, like analytics, it doesn't take the weather

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Speaker 6: Is there a belief though that as a former player

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Speaker 6: I believe in this offense. I'm gonna lose, win or

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Speaker 3: I think Drake will tell you it's not about just Drake.

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Speaker 4: Going back to just Drake though his turnovers. Do you

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, he's trying to make plays out there,

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Speaker 3: And look, I'm not going to try to change the

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Speaker 5: Do you think that you'll see, like, you know, moving

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Speaker 6: On the protocol. So did he have a concussion or

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so the team doesn't know if he has a concussion.

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Speaker 3: He was in the concussion protocol. I'm not going to

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Speaker 6: On No, I'm just cured.

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Speaker 2: It was quick.

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Speaker 6: I didn't know that he was going to be in there,

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Speaker 3: They put a spotter. An NFL spotter called down. They said,

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Speaker 3: I don't know her concussion next week. I think you

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Speaker 5: It's all They're all different. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, does your week Jacoby Brissett keeps trying

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Speaker 4: Does your week change it?

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Speaker 3: All?

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Speaker 2: This week?

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Speaker 3: Like did it?

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Speaker 3: I think, first look, this isn't baseball, and in baseball,

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Speaker 3: Like I would say historically, even as a player and

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Speaker 3: bunch of hype. It's a bunch of hype. Who's you know,

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Speaker 3: who's going to move a quarterback, a starting quarterback to

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Speaker 5: You have that situation at halftime, and we were kind

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Speaker 3: Second and one and third and one. You got to

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Speaker 5: Well, I guess the question I'm asking is that that

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Speaker 3: Office, whatever unit's out there on the field. I'm on

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Speaker 3: that channel, okay, and I let Alex know what I

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Speaker 3: again I would say, ultimately like it, look, it's my

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Speaker 2: day dishes this football season. This is from the Super

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Speaker 2: of New England text line, just I'll sum it up.

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Speaker 2: Another great return on the punt yesterday and how important

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Speaker 3: It's huge. And you know, we challenge the special teams

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Speaker 3: Marcus is doing a heck of a job. I think

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Speaker 6: All right, works for me?

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Speaker 2: All right? Coach, onto onto Chicago.

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Speaker 3: Now we gotta wrap this up. We gotta wrap up Tennessee,

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Speaker 3: make some corrections, and then we'll be it's about New England,

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Speaker 3: It's about It's about the Patriots today and then tomorrow

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Speaker 6: How much did you look at Caleb Williams? Obviously everybody

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Speaker 3: Your hands, I thought I was about to be over.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was.

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Speaker 7: I'm curious, Caleb Williams, you know, coming out, I think

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Speaker 7: and you know they'll there'll be a challenge for us.

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Speaker 2: Davon Gotchau called Drake May Josh Allen two point zero.

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Speaker 2: You agree with that assessment, kind of compoe.

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Speaker 3: I call them Drake May one point. I don't want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, great, thanks thanks coach.

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Speaker 6: But where the Patriots are concerned, Let's just get one

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Speaker 3: Worry about versatility.

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Speaker 2: Let's get one thing done right, and then we can

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