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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're ducking and covering on

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Speaker 1: this Monday morning in southern California.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm at home in the garage.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined across the sea Atlantic Ocean by my friend

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Speaker 1: Ali Connolly of the Read Optional podcast and substack.

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Speaker 2: Everyone check that out. Ali.

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Speaker 1: You're joining us on a big morning right as we

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Speaker 1: were about to start taping a big earthquake in San Diego.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts as a Londoner.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely terrifying, terrifying to me that you just live in

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Speaker 3: these circumstances and you kind of it off, being like,

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Speaker 3: let me just check the ticker is at five, as

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Speaker 3: it is six, totally normal Monday morning, not.

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Speaker 1: Normal, and the reason is we didn't feel it here

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Speaker 1: in la Eric Roberts, who's producing this show, he's at

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Speaker 1: the studios in Inglewood, said everyone just stood up because

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Speaker 1: what happens is you get an alert now, and this

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Speaker 1: one said emergency alert severe that the earthquake was detective,

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Speaker 1: drop cover, hold on now. They get it to you

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Speaker 1: sometimes ten to fifteen seconds before the actual earthquake, which

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Speaker 1: is a which is a freaky situation, and then it

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Speaker 1: never arrived. I'm sitting here in the garage. I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I better get out of the garage here. This would

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Speaker 1: be the one place that collapses. Nothing happens in LA.

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Speaker 1: But our friend Daniel Jeremiah, he sounds safe. It was

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Speaker 1: in San Diego. We didn't feel it down here. But

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Speaker 1: five point two is no joke. That's the official reporting.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully everyone's safe.

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Speaker 2: We have important stuff to get to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe the Earth is fighting back from this

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr story that we're somehow going to lead the

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Speaker 1: show with in mid April. I'm shocked we're leading the

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Speaker 1: show with a Derek Carr story.

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Speaker 2: But I have Ali. I have you on.

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Speaker 1: You're one of my favorite draft analysts, among other things,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to go through some of the players

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Speaker 1: you would want a draft that you wouldn't want to draft.

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Speaker 1: On the defensive side, we've given defense a little short

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Speaker 1: shrift so far on NFL Daily, so we're going to

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Speaker 1: focus on defense. And I gave you like a homework

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Speaker 1: assignment to do, and yet as I went through all

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Speaker 1: these positions, I just have a lot of questions for you.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to mix in the players you don't want.

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Speaker 1: But I just have questions on the defensive side, are

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Speaker 1: you ready?

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Speaker 3: You're exciting? No plays? I don't want greg, but value

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Speaker 3: becomes the question.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I'm very different than consense. I think the ship, particularly

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Speaker 3: up front. I feel like there's some players that you

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Speaker 3: wouldn't want. Why am I blanking on what's his name?

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Speaker 3: The eddresser from Ohio State? Why am I blanking?

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Speaker 2: Oh Jack? So yah, yeah, I get out. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I did listen to your your edge and defensive tackle

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Speaker 1: prospect evaluations on the Read Optional podcast, and like I said,

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Speaker 1: everyone should check that out. We'll get to those a

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Speaker 1: little later. And then I realized this is going to

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Speaker 1: infect my thinking. I don't want to just repeating them.

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Speaker 1: So I've actually not listened since then as I went

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Speaker 1: your answers will be surprising to me, but not not

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Speaker 1: in terms of the edge players. But yeah, let's start

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Speaker 1: with Derek Carr because this news just it hits my

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Speaker 1: news from the national reporters. It was Schefter, it was

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Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport out of nowhere saying that Derek Carr might

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Speaker 1: play football in twenty twenty five, but might not because

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Speaker 1: of a shoulder injury that we hadn't heard anything about before.

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Speaker 1: And there's like, there's a lot of directions this could go.

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Speaker 1: But my first thing was, well, why is this coming

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Speaker 1: out right now? And then I looked and who is

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Speaker 1: starting their offseason program Monday morning? The Saints and the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: So those two things seemed very connected to me. This

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Speaker 1: they desperately want him for whatever reason, and this news

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Speaker 2: It's just a total mess.

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Speaker 1: And man, they are the team, along with the Browns,

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Speaker 1: that I think are are right now, the team that

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Oh yeah, just an abject dissess.

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Speaker 3: I mean, by the end of next season, they will

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Speaker 3: be the single worst move anyone has done non Deshaun

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Speaker 3: It is just the worst possible scenario, except for the

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Speaker 3: fact that he gives them the easy out. If they

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Speaker 3: say this is three years. We've got to take our

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Speaker 3: rolling with Kellum for three years, and yeah, because of

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Speaker 3: who runs the show, I don't think it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Right, But they could have done that before they just

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Speaker 1: locked him in for three more years. That was the

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Speaker 1: whole thing, is they just to get in the weeds

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Speaker 1: a little bit on the money. Them changing his salary

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Speaker 1: to assigning bonus this year guaranteed him his contract this year.

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Speaker 1: It probably made a one year deal, but also pushed

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Speaker 1: And the whole idea was, well, we want to be

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Speaker 1: to contend this year. And so as my friends at

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Speaker 1: the Saints Block Party podcast put it, they like did

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Speaker 1: all this with Derek Carr this year just so they

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Speaker 1: which I like Justin Reid was a good signing, but

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Speaker 1: like they've changed their outlook for the next three years.

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Speaker 1: And the thing that's crazy is it doesn't sound like

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Speaker 1: and so him possibly putting this news out. We don't

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Speaker 1: know how it came out, but it sure doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: like it came out from the Saints because the reporting

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Speaker 1: is Derek Carr messing with the Saints. Like I could

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Speaker 1: And if not, I might just get the surgery and sorry,

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Speaker 3: But that seems like not giving the Saints enough agency

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Speaker 3: in the situation. This is just ranking competence. They could

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Speaker 3: have sat down and figured this out. Surely, or at

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Speaker 3: least I've had a true physical have said that we're

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Speaker 3: only going to convert the contract of you do X

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Speaker 3: or why and it's in writing, and clearly that is

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Speaker 3: not what happened. Or maybe it did and he's just

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Speaker 3: completely screwed them over. That would be fun if that

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Speaker 3: So I'm looking forward to that reporting. I think it's

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Speaker 3: the environment in the building is completely shot toed. This

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Speaker 3: a year of Ratler. I think that could make things fun.

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Speaker 3: At least you'd be living on the edge of your seat.

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Speaker 3: I think, if you're rooting for a team, do you

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Speaker 3: want to go down with Derek Kahan the alms flailing

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Speaker 3: rautlea bwl know whing you got a chance to auch

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Speaker 1: No, I feel bad for Derek Carr in a certain way,

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Speaker 1: which is just that. No other like late Thursday or

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Speaker 1: potentially being out for this season has ever had a

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Speaker 1: higher approval radium among the fan base than this. Everyone celebrated,

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Speaker 1: Everyone said this is great. They don't care. They would

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Speaker 1: rather see Rattler. The problem is that the two possible

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Speaker 1: You've played through all these other injuries. By the way,

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Speaker 1: why you're giving them all this money. Either they knew

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Speaker 2: Why are you Why are you doing that?

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Speaker 1: Why you're giving this Or they didn't know about it,

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Speaker 1: which is even worse. So it's bad and it makes

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Speaker 1: he will fall to them, and that's a logical landing spot,

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Speaker 1: and now that they're sitting there at nine, it kind

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Speaker 1: That would be the spot to jump ahead of the Saints,

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Speaker 1: do you? I don't know, what do you think about

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Speaker 1: that fit with Kellen Moore kind of starting out with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a brutal one to me, and I would

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Speaker 3: not be interested that if I was the Saint. I

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Speaker 3: look at Shoudo and am a Shouda fan. I think

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Speaker 3: But I think his game boils down to him and

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Speaker 3: he's massively overthought in my opinion, because of the name,

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Speaker 3: and I think at his mess and there are issues

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Speaker 3: with not playing with enough rhythm, taking too many sacks,

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Speaker 3: some sloppy decision making, but I just think he's Brock Perdy.

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Speaker 3: It is point and shoot, rhythm based thrower, and he

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Speaker 3: tortures people on in breaking rounds. That is where he

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Speaker 3: will make his money in the league. It was not

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Speaker 3: enough of it last season because the offensive line was

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Speaker 3: a horror show. The entire offense was puke inducing. It

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Speaker 3: But his best stuff comes rhythm, base hit the back

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Speaker 3: football pops out on him, breaking stuff that is not

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Speaker 3: what Kellen Moore wants to do. When Brock Perdy arrived

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Speaker 3: we see him at his very best, which is just

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Speaker 3: immaculately efficient with maybe one or two bits of offscript

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Speaker 1: Right, And yeah, maybe it's a South thing. Dion said

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Speaker 1: And part of the reason I wanted you on for this,

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Speaker 1: I know they are different in some ways, but to

436
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Speaker 1: me they're similar in other ways. Is he like that

437
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Speaker 1: much different of a prospect? Don't I don't think so

438
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Speaker 1: from my humble evaluation. And then he would be going

439
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Speaker 1: nineteen or twenty two as like an interesting, you know,

440
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Speaker 1: sub rusher at first that gets in and hopefully gets

441
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Speaker 1: seven eight nine sacks. But now he's getting talked about

442
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Speaker 1: as number four pick in the draft, and that's the

443
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Speaker 1: main difference with him to me. You guys seemed even

444
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Speaker 1: more down and I'm that like he's always on the

445
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Speaker 1: ground that you would not want to take this guy

446
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Speaker 1: and you just don't see what other people are seeing.

447
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Speaker 1: So explain what you are seeing with Mason Graham, the

448
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle from Michigan who is projected by a lot

449
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Speaker 1: of people to go in the top five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think your point is right. Ordinarily, those kind

451
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Speaker 3: of undersized, explosive upfield subrushes, which is what I think

452
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Speaker 3: he'll be in the league. They become kind of Internet darlings,

453
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Speaker 3: and they're usually projecting like the twenty twenty three range,

454
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Speaker 3: and there's usually three or four people four in love

455
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Speaker 3: with every class, and the league just says, no, we're good,

456
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Speaker 3: thank you. They can go nineteenth twenty if they don't

457
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Speaker 3: go in the top ten the way you have them,

458
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Speaker 3: because they end up being extraordinarily fun quick off the

459
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Speaker 3: ball plays in college you can just embarrass guys who

460
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Speaker 3: are as quick off the snap as they are. I

461
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Speaker 3: think when you get into these interior subbrushes, people I

462
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Speaker 3: think fixate almost too much on the initial twitch off

463
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Speaker 3: the snap, which is important and you want to beat

464
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Speaker 3: people to the set point. But the guys who win

465
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Speaker 3: in that area with pure just speed off the ball

466
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Speaker 3: are legitimately the greatest plays in the history of the position.

467
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Speaker 3: It is Aaron Donald Warren sapp like, that's what we're

468
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Speaker 3: talking about, where it's true quicks off the ball, and

469
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Speaker 3: when you think about how they actually win, it's not

470
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Speaker 3: the same as off the edgeway. You just beat someone

471
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Speaker 3: out the cleat and they can't close the distance in time.

472
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Speaker 3: There's just so much mass in there. Usually they can

473
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Speaker 3: draw some kind of double team help the center Panics

474
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Speaker 3: goes and helps over, So you really have to get

475
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Speaker 3: under the pad level and drive. And that's really how

476
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Speaker 3: they win, is there's a true strength to how they

477
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Speaker 3: finish the thing. Donald was not Donald because he was

478
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Speaker 3: quicker than everyone. He was stronger than everyone, he was

479
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Speaker 3: more intelligent than everyone. And when you watch Mason Graham,

480
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of just wasted rush where it is

481
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Speaker 3: pure speed and he doesn't have the power to drive

482
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Speaker 3: past guys once they establish some kind of position, even

483
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Speaker 3: if they're not properly aligned, even if they're off balance.

484
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Speaker 3: He just doesn't really drive and close. And I think

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Speaker 3: that's why you see when you go through some of

486
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Speaker 3: the pressure figures, the sack figures. He is disruptive, but

487
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Speaker 3: you don't have that kind of five, six, ten, twelve

488
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Speaker 3: sax season for a guy who should be talking people

489
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Speaker 3: inside when they're designing one on one rushes for a

490
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Speaker 3: number four overall pick in the draft. So to me,

491
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Speaker 3: it's more the strength and it really jumps out to

492
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Speaker 3: me when you go and watch him against Texas Oregon,

493
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Speaker 3: best teams in the country. They gain plan at the

494
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Speaker 3: projected number four pick in the draft, they double team

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Speaker 3: and climb off him every single time. They bullied him

496
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Speaker 3: in the trenches. So we talked about a guy who

497
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Speaker 3: may not be able to play on rundowns and then

498
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Speaker 3: becomes your sub rusher where you went in a three

499
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Speaker 3: ticuleven fly up field. So now we're down already. We're

500
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Speaker 3: cutting the snaps basically in a third, so we're getting

501
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Speaker 3: maybe forty snaps a game. And the way he would

502
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Speaker 3: have to win is purely speed based. It's purely in

503
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Speaker 3: the hand fight. And even in the speed and hand fight,

504
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Speaker 3: he can get four or five moves in where other

505
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Speaker 3: guys can fit one. I get all that stuff. Incredibly

506
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Speaker 3: fun player to watch and scout. It takes a long

507
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Speaker 3: time to actually happen. It's a lot of jab step fate,

508
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Speaker 3: jab step go the other way. The ball is out

509
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Speaker 3: In the NFL, you're playing Jared Goff. The ball is

510
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Speaker 3: out in two point six seconds and we don't have

511
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Speaker 3: four seconds to get home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, are there are some incredible place He's a fun

513
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle to watch, and maybe that's that's where the

514
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Speaker 1: layman's eyes just are attracted to. There's this play against

515
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Speaker 1: Ohio State where he forces an interception he's got like

516
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Speaker 1: he's got that quick move and they actually double team

517
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Speaker 1: him and he does push it, but the momentum keeps

518
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Speaker 1: them going.

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Speaker 2: I get what you're saying that.

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Speaker 1: There's also other plays where like he starts in one

521
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Speaker 1: gap and he's getting bounced over and you're right, he's

522
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Speaker 1: on the ground a decent amount. And there's there's sometimes

523
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Speaker 1: where you're thinking, man, if this was in the NFL,

524
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Speaker 1: forget gap integrity, Like he is all over the place.

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Speaker 1: But I threw this out like, Hey, I do a

526
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Speaker 1: show with Daniel Jeremiah. We've got Mina chimes by the way,

527
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Speaker 1: on the show later this week. Check out forties and

528
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Speaker 1: freegms with me, DJ and Mina. And you know, I

529
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Speaker 1: threw this out there like could this be a guy

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Speaker 1: that couldn't really be on the field that much on

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Speaker 1: running downs?

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Speaker 2: And I'm kind of getting this idea from you guys.

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Speaker 1: So here you have the opportunity to really change how

534
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Speaker 1: people are thinking because I'm I'm coming to the guy

535
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Speaker 1: DJ with this and he was insulted by the question

536
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Speaker 1: because it's not just draft knicks that are putting him this. Hiats,

537
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Speaker 1: it's moved this, it's Daniel Jeremiah, it's it's mel Kiper,

538
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Speaker 1: It's it's seemingly everyone and potentially teams. I'm not really sure.

539
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Speaker 1: And he was insulted by it, thinking that he is

540
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Speaker 1: a good run defender. And I will say, like he

541
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Speaker 1: does have a nose watching when I did go to

542
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Speaker 1: watch on my own, he does have a nose for

543
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Speaker 1: the ball as a run defender when he can get

544
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Speaker 1: off his block or whatever, like, he does make plays

545
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Speaker 1: in the running game. What is it that I guess

546
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Speaker 1: that you're seeing that you think maybe these other people

547
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Speaker 1: aren't as much in terms of his run defense.

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's not necessarily about when you just

549
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Speaker 3: evaluate player by player and you go trade by trade.

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Speaker 3: That's one way of doing things. The projection to the

551
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Speaker 3: league of what does the league demanded these people? So

552
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Speaker 3: where does he align actually in the front?

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Speaker 2: Is he a four? I? Is he holding the point?

554
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Speaker 3: I get there's a lot of immense And I'm not

555
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Speaker 3: saying this guy is like undraftable. I just what I'm

556
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Speaker 3: taking with a top ten pick. I think there's better

557
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Speaker 3: value further down the board than he is. I have

558
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Speaker 3: a high second round grade on him. It's just I

559
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Speaker 3: don't think he's anyway. Yea, I think exactly what you

560
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Speaker 3: said is the right situation where he's in that collija

561
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Speaker 3: caantci arrange to me when you're asking the question did

562
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Speaker 3: we draft a slip or in the first round or

563
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Speaker 3: can you play all three downs? I think the wrong

564
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Speaker 3: game stuff. Where he's at his best is quick penetration.

565
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Speaker 3: He's just so quick off the snap. He's really got

566
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Speaker 3: jets in his feet, and he just beats people to

567
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Speaker 3: the backfield. But the inline strength just doesn't hang. I mean,

568
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Speaker 3: like I said, Texas, Oregon, Michigan State, Minnesota, you can

569
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Speaker 3: go on and on and on. Teams are game planning

570
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Speaker 3: against him. It is doubles all across the board and

571
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Speaker 3: they run at him knowing they can displace him, throw

572
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Speaker 3: him out the way, And there's even a bunch of

573
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Speaker 3: one on ones where once guys grip him and they

574
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Speaker 3: win the initial phase of the rep, they can just

575
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Speaker 3: move him. And then there's huge lanes everywhere because he

576
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Speaker 3: really wants to fight. He's such an effort player that

577
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Speaker 3: he just gets himself out opposusly and trying any different

578
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Speaker 3: way to get off the block and try and fight

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Speaker 3: through to the backfield. So unless he's winning immediately off

580
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Speaker 3: the snap of the NFL level, which is really hard

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Speaker 3: to do. As I said, it sounds good in theory

582
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Speaker 3: when you go through the prospects when you think about

583
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Speaker 3: who's winning in the league on early downs, to be

584
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Speaker 3: a guy who just wins in the backfield, hope and

585
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Speaker 3: over again, you're talking about the best of the best,

586
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Speaker 3: top five to six players ever, not top five six

587
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Speaker 3: in the league at the time. That many guys who

588
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Speaker 3: just rip off the bowl and every single week you

589
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Speaker 3: look up and saying, oh, it's two CFLs in the backfield.

590
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Speaker 3: Those guys usually come from the edge, they don't come

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Speaker 3: from the interior.

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Speaker 1: Right, and that because of that, I did expect coming

593
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Speaker 1: in that his tape would just be more dominant. It's good,

594
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Speaker 1: it's like exciting tape, but it's not like he was

595
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Speaker 1: racking up tons of production as just this best defensive

596
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Speaker 1: player in college football. He's got like five hundred snaps

597
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Speaker 1: the last couple of seasons, and he was a very

598
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Speaker 1: very good, like useful player, but he wasn't like dominating.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I'm basic enough because I when I go

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Speaker 1: through these prospects, I realize I don't know what I

601
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Speaker 1: don't know in terms of the breadth of watching a

602
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Speaker 1: ton of these guys games and comparing that to past

603
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Speaker 1: examples and comparing to that to what it looks like.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to be an expert, but my

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Speaker 1: base just like if I was drafted a team, I

606
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Speaker 1: would rather. I feel better about Kenneth Grant, who's right

607
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Speaker 1: next to him, because you watch those two guys together,

608
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Speaker 1: and that guy is huge and he's got pretty good

609
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Speaker 1: movement skills, and I feel like I can understand at

610
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Speaker 1: least enough that I've seen enough at the pro level

611
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Speaker 1: like that those movement skills that Kenneth Grant has will

612
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Speaker 1: track to me and you're probably gonna have a pretty

613
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Speaker 1: good run defender because he's just huge. He's three hundred

614
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Speaker 1: and forty pounds. So I wouldn't want to take him

615
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Speaker 1: in the top ten either, But if I just had

616
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Speaker 1: to take a guy, I feel more comfortable that Kenneth

617
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Speaker 1: Grant actually looks like a guy that's just gonna be

618
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Speaker 1: on an NFL team for five to ten years, and

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Speaker 1: there actually is some upside because he moves great for

620
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Speaker 1: a guy that's I don't know what how tall he is,

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Speaker 1: but he's massive.

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Speaker 2: In three hundred and four.

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Speaker 1: He moves great for that kind of guy, And there

624
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Speaker 1: are there are some plays that you look at Kenneth

625
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Speaker 1: Grant and to me he looks like an intriguing top

626
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Speaker 1: twenty five type of pick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it comes down to the two of them.

628
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Speaker 3: And I talked about this Wee John all the time.

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Speaker 3: Grunt is a guy who gets you to the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Graham is a guy who will make a play for

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Speaker 3: you in the playoff. Why everyone goes, oh, that's Mason

632
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Speaker 3: Graham with a huge second third down. But to get there,

633
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Speaker 3: someone's got to play eighty percent of the snaps in

634
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Speaker 3: the regular season where we can actually, you know, play

635
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Speaker 3: some defense, try and get to the thing. And Grant

636
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Speaker 3: is a ginormous human being you mentioned who looks more

637
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Speaker 3: like a nose, but it's got really good lateral quicks,

638
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Speaker 3: So I think there's more passwadge potentially in there. The

639
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: thing with him is just technically he is all over

640
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Speaker 3: the place. He sells what he's doing based in his stance,

641
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Speaker 3: and by the end of the season people knew exactly

642
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Speaker 3: what was happening. He would changes his foot position essentially

643
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Speaker 3: in his hand placement based on what he was trying

644
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Speaker 3: to do after the snap. So there's a lot that

645
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Speaker 3: you've got to work through with him. He slow off

646
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Speaker 3: the ball, not because he doesn't have the pop, but

647
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Speaker 3: just there's a bunch of false stepping. He's trying to

648
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Speaker 3: gather speed rather than just exploding off the snap. You

649
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Speaker 3: watch Graham and he just goes and it's a forward

650
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Speaker 3: lead and explodes into the backfield. So there's a lot

651
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: of technical work that needs to be done, But you

652
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: just get the raw player, which is guys that big

653
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: shouldn't move that way, particularly laterally, he will leave two

654
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: gaps in one go.

655
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: Just don't see guys do that.

656
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: Jamari Caldwell at Oregon exact same things who work and

657
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: of these can we mold them into something as a

658
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: better value if we can snag these guys at the

659
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Speaker 3: top of the second round, middle of the second round,

660
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: and it is going and trying to push a guy

661
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: in the top ten, where with great him, I just

662
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: think that it's way more scheme dependent than the projections

663
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: are suggesting, and I think there will be teams who

664
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Speaker 3: play more odd front defense. You maybe are more in

665
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: the blitz game world where they look at him and

666
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: go he really needs to go and play where it's

667
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: four down and four flyers up front on passing downs,

668
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: where you can get all the stunt games involved, where

669
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: we can give him some rest on some of the

670
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 3: rundown stuff, and he just fits way more in that

671
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: San Francisco vogue of the last three or four years

672
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: that he does. Why you can just drop him on

673
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: any defense of the league and say he can be

674
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: a benchmark, foundational piece for us.

675
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.

676
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: But if, yeah, if he gets to one of those

677
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: teams and he makes enough splash plays in this draft,

678
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: ultimately they'll be happy enough. But I think there's bigger

679
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: bus potential. I agree with you guys there, at least

680
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: that's what I think. I'm not going to put words

681
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: in your mouth. I feel like there he's a boomer

682
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: bust type of type of guy. I'm going to go

683
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 1: through my big questions for you first and then we'll

684
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: get to your guys. You want or not my question

685
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: because watching too Hot Campbell, I'll.

686
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: Give my opinion afterwards.

687
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: But my question for you is do you think his instincts,

688
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, will be a problem.

689
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: Joh Hot Campbell, Alabama off ball linebacker pretty clearly by

690
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: most people's account, that the best off ball linebacker in

691
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: the class. I haven't heard your thoughts on that, but

692
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: at least consensus wise, he's the only one that's expected

693
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: to go in the first fifty picks, and he could

694
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: go in the top fifteen picks. Do you think his

695
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: instincts will be a problem like it's been for some

696
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: of the off ball linebackers that have been drafted lately.

697
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think off ball linebackers just a position now

698
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: and now is a enough ball lineback a scale for

699
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: like the first seven years of my career. So it's

700
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 3: very near and did to my hall. And I am

701
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: very brutal with these guys when they're coming out of

702
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: the draft, And if you just go through the recent

703
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: seasons of guy's it takes like two three years now,

704
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: it's like playing Quot Tobiaco something, particularly safety in the

705
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: league right now. It takes a long time for these

706
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: guys so to be able to play. So I think

707
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: even when people say out do they have the instincts,

708
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: I'm not sure any of these guys come out now

709
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: and have the ability to play in a full NFL

710
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: defense from the get go. It's just so taxic to do.

711
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: You watch guys like Kwaywalker, who was going to be

712
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: this smooth piece all around, just lost. We're in season

713
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: two three now still just has no idea where he's

714
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: going off the time. It's just a really, really difficult

715
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: translation to the league. With Campbell, I think you are

716
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: betting purely on athleticism, and I actually think that he

717
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: maybe is a better pure edge rusher than he is

718
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: actually a stand up linebacker. I think if he just

719
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: played in the edge full time, people be really fired up.

720
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: He has real real speed and can swoop off the edge,

721
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: and they use him a lot in the blitz game.

722
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: They mug him up, they let him fly down field,

723
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: and so I think he's he to me is really

724
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: scheme centric of if it's a really attack based defense

725
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: where it's kind of mug drop or just really dropped

726
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: a distance you can see a lot of the picture

727
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: and then drive down field. That's where I think he

728
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: can be. Okay, he's really quick linearly, I just don't

729
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: think he has quite enough wiggle feel in the box.

730
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: If you're playing in a more traditional style of defense,

731
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: you're playing him more of a zone based defense where

732
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: he's really going to have to play in tight confines

733
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: early in the down and distance. I just don't think

734
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: that's where he's going to be. So I get old

735
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: at the time, speculation makes a ton of sense to me.

736
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: You want to have a really like hope that Blitz

737
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: package really creative. I think him being more of the

738
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: move pieces where the value comes with him and being

739
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: just a traditional dropbox see it find at linebacker.

740
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's two hundred and thirty five pounds or

741
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: at least he I think at the combine he was,

742
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: but he was recruited as an edge player, like a

743
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: big time recruit, and they've they've just had great edges

744
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: there and he ended up settling in as an off

745
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: by linebacker. I loved watching him, and the reason I

746
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: asked you about the instincts is partly because like, this

747
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: is the guy I want to watch succeed of all

748
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: the defensive players, the most of anyone, Like he was awesome.

749
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: But I also recognize some of the fun players coming

750
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: into the draft at linebacker have have burned evaluators, and

751
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure what to think because he just

752
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: turned twenty one years old, Like he won't turn twenty

753
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: one until next offseason, and the way he moves like,

754
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: and the the force that he can play with at

755
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: his size, although he does look small sometimes going up

756
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: against like the left tackles and everything. So I'm I'm

757
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: happy to hear you say that, because I'm wondering if, like,

758
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: is he too small to rush the passer consistently, But

759
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: he's good at taking guys in the open field once

760
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 1: he does read a play and gets after it. I mean,

761
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: he reminds me of Navarro Bowman, like he is just awesome,

762
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: and so I like want to love this guy, and

763
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: I do love this guy coming into the draft. Like

764
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: if I rooted for a team and they ended up

765
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: with Johad Campbell, I'd be pumped about the ceiling of

766
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: it all.

767
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's gonna work.

768
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: He does, like doesn't seem like you read stuff as

769
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: quickly and biting on these play acts and all that stuff.

770
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: But he could be like a really fun player, and

771
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: I get it in this class if he ends up

772
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: going higher, either higher than people think or certainly in

773
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: the top twenty, I think he's gonna end up going

774
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: because the upside seems really high to me.

775
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, particularly when you factor in the fact he can

776
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: maybe play multiple positions for you, be a move piece,

777
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: and the value just explodes from there and if you

778
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: can get something. The coverage chops is just the issue.

779
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: But there aren't any of these linebackers coming in the

780
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: league who have outstanding coverage chops. It's really difficult. The

781
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 3: coverage is different in the NFL. Spacing is different, the

782
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 3: geometry the field is different. It has taking them all

783
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: a really long time. The thing I look for with

784
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: these guys is can they play sift and find football?

785
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: Can they kind of dance through the crevices the line

786
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: of scrimmage. The guy I loved a couple of years ago,

787
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: Dane Henley, was like the guy I thought was a

788
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: top fifteen player in the class. He just had this

789
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: ability he was a former running back, to just navigate

790
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 3: through the traffic at the line of scrimmage. And if

791
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: you can get that down, you can start to figure

792
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 3: out and layer in the coverage stuff. It's pretty easy

793
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: to do. I do think cambell is a bit more

794
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: freight train built. Why it's just like see it, attack it,

795
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 3: run my face through it, which is.

796
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: What I want.

797
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: That's the old school linebacker, and that's like, well linebael football,

798
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: go smash everything in the face and let's have fun.

799
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's quite got the craft there yet,

800
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: but as you mentioned, he's so young, and if you

801
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 3: can get himTo a system where he's allowed to play

802
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 3: with a little bit more freedom, positionally, I think he

803
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 3: can be so impactful in year one based off just

804
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 3: raw athleticism and feel, and then you could get more

805
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 3: of the true linebacker is still year three year full Yeah.

806
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: I saw in the Bob m again right up that

807
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: no inside linebackers drafted in the last four years have

808
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: made the Pro Bowl, which is crazy, like like at

809
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: any point in their career, obviously not just as a

810
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: as a rookie. There's just like been no Pro bowlers,

811
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: and Pro Bowl is a pretty low bar because so

812
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: many people it is.

813
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: I don't think pro I think with the lineback is

814
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: slightly it's if you have to come in with name

815
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: brand value before it takes a while for people to

816
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: catch up. I think that Devin Lloyd and people leftief

817
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: this played at an old pro level last season. I

818
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: thought the Dan Henley played an all Pro level less season.

819
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 3: So those guys, I think would be outstanding. You just

820
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: have to go with name brand value and have splash

821
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: plays I think to make the Pro Bowl.

822
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Henley is a good shout out as a

823
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: developmental track. He's gotten pretty good pretty fast. Good job

824
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: by you scouting that. I hope John Campbell he does

825
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: make people miss occasionally, like his great plays where he

826
00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: does make someone missed while attacking forward are just awesome.

827
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: So I'm rooting for him a right. I'm going to

828
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: keep giving you questions. My next question is on Jalen Walker.

829
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: So I'm sticking to the top of these projected boards

830
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: because if you're coming into this process late, you know,

831
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: Jalen Walker is a guy who played a decent amount

832
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: of off ball linebacker at Georgia, and he's going to

833
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: get drafted as an edge rusher. That's kind of become consensus.

834
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: I know you guys taped your podcast on Jalen Walker.

835
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: Now it's been like two months ago. In the time

836
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: that since you've taped it, it's become consensus that, of

837
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: course he's an edge that's going to be the ideal use.

838
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: And I do think NFL teams are on that. Even

839
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: if it took a little while for the media to

840
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: track up. My question with him is just like is

841
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: he special enough? Like and maybe he is, maybe he

842
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: isn't do you think he is a special enough athlete

843
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: to be like worth of all the possible players that

844
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: you could take in that top five to six range, Like,

845
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: what can he do that makes him worth that sort

846
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: of pick.

847
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: I think what he could do for you is the

848
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: ability to move around and play him inside some as

849
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 3: a stand up linebacker, and you know he's got experience

850
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: chopping out in the coverage. You can get really creative

851
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 3: with pressure groups. He becomes like a coaches player where

852
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: the coach is like banging the table being like, please

853
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: get me a piece, where it's like stealing three roster spots,

854
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: and I can get in the lab with the staff

855
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: and get really creative. And then he's just got so

856
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: much explosivity upfield that you can just rely on him

857
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: in more of a four down situation, let him go

858
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: fly up field. But I just think that for the

859
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: excitement with the athleticism, I'm with you. I don't think

860
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 3: it's quite top tier athleticism, and just the lack of experience,

861
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: the lack of note out of how to actually win

862
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: it's all jab steps and a little bit tentative once

863
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: he's going one on one in the pass rush. Even

864
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: dating back a couple of years, he was an edge defender.

865
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: Then he moved him off ball. He was completely out

866
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: to see off ball, just did not know what was happening.

867
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 3: We're just kind of see things and charge around all

868
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: over the place. So I don't think he'll play there

869
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 3: in the league, But if a team can get him,

870
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 3: I think that the bet will be he's a primary

871
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: edge defender Froze, but we have this where we can

872
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 3: maybe roll ten twelve snaps a game where he plays

873
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 3: a mulked up linebacker. It opens up more for as

874
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: we can get an extra passers from the field, and

875
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 3: now we're all high fiving on the sideline because we've

876
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 3: got a cool pressure package.

877
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I could see that because he does seem

878
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: strong enough to.

879
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: Do it, like he gets after it.

880
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,479
Speaker 1: Whereas like if he landed with Jacksonville and he's sort

881
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: of the third edge, but they use him inside on

882
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: passing downs. Like, I don't know how good their defensive

883
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: staff is going to be, that's an open question, but

884
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: like he could be kind of fun there. I could

885
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: see it that you could see him having the ceiling,

886
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: but again more kind of like Graham, a little bit

887
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: boom or busty to me. For a guy going this high, yeah.

888
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: He would have to be a true top fifteen sixteen

889
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 3: edge defender. I think for the investment be worth it.

890
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: Whereas it feels an awful lot, Like we get these

891
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: players where they're really versatile, think of all the things

892
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 3: that creative things we can do, and eventually you get

893
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 3: to like week nine the season, like Ravin just had

894
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 3: a really good edge defend and we signed a solid

895
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: eno foff ball linebacker than chasing a two player in

896
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: one who doesn't quite have the goods either.

897
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's actually take a quick break. We're gonna

898
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: come back.

899
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: I have a few more questions and then we're going

900
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: to go through some of the players that you want

901
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: and don't want on your team back in a minute.

902
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 2: Back on NFL Daily.

903
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: One thing I always think while you're like cranking through

904
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: all these tapes of like all these players, like.

905
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: How do you have the time right? How much do

906
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: you watch?

907
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: It seems like you watch an extraordinary amount of tape

908
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: on these guys.

909
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: Probably better asking my wife, I think than me. I

910
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 3: don't see friends of family for months of a time.

911
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 3: I mean, you've text me before, Do I ever reply?

912
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: It takes a long time. I just to not disturb on.

913
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: I sit in the basement for twelve hours a day. Okay,

914
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 3: that's how you do it. And lack of kids helped, maybe,

915
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, it is tough to get Ali. That's

916
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: why we're going We're going long on this show. You know,

917
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: we got to wait for the reply.

918
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: We got to make it all work up with the

919
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: extraordinary time change over to the UK. So when we

920
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: got him, I want to know the answers to these questions.

921
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm asking them. Let's go to Let's

922
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: go to Cornerback. And with Will Johnson at Michigan, he

923
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: was one of those players. Maybe the more I watched,

924
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: the less I liked. Maybe, and maybe it's not just

925
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: about comparing the two years, which I don't know. He

926
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: was fine, he just didn't play that much this year

927
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: for the most part at Cornerback. I just I guess

928
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: I want to hear you. I want to hear your

929
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: opinions on on Will Johnson, and like, what concerns you

930
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: the most about him? Michigan cornerback who had a big

931
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: time year in twenty twenty three, just didn't play as

932
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: much in twenty four. Maybe had kind of a mix

933
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: that best game against Fresno State, which got people, But

934
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: it's also that you're only looking at a couple of

935
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: games from this season before he got her.

936
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: What are you concerned about?

937
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: By the way, as we're taping this on Monday, he

938
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: did a Pro Day, but he did not run the

939
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: forty at the Pro Day, so long speed was a

940
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: bit of a concern for him, and you'll.

941
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: Never find that forty time out for Will Johnson.

942
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 3: By the way, my main issues with him is general

943
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 3: toughness at the line of scrimmage, technique, impressed coverage. He's

944
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: not a true man. Everywhere you go cornerway, you just

945
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: plant him on one side the field or one player

946
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: and say, go match that.

947
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: Guy the entire game.

948
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: And he has this kind of perfect, sinewy modern corner build.

949
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: It looks like, oh, this is Christian Gunzas. We got

950
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 3: another one, and he's been builled as the top guy

951
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: for two seasons. Right, It's like, hey, Will Johnson's coming,

952
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 3: Don't worry about cornerback. If you're at the top of

953
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: the draft. He just isn't that kind of physical one

954
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 3: to one player upfield. And this is something to me

955
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: and John and being banging on about now for years

956
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: when people talk about corners, this idea of the kind

957
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: of six, seven, twelve years ago corner of playing in

958
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: this vertical plane, whether like up and down one sideline,

959
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 3: it just doesn't exist anymore. You have to play inside.

960
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: You have to play ghast line of scrimmage. It's not Oh,

961
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: do they have the inout flexibility? I can they play

962
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: in the slot? Can they play on the boundary? You're

963
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: all tight to the formation. We are more condensed we've

964
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: ever be in the NFL. You have to play in there.

965
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: There is so much more grass to your outside shoulder

966
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: than there ever used to be. And he has only

967
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: really played in that vertical plate and a bunch of

968
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: z own coverage where he is really instinctive. He's got

969
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: unbelievable feel for out progressions and he can jump stuff

970
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: all the time. So he John used the example of

971
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: Marcus Peter's with him, which I think is who he is,

972
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: which is going to be boom or buzz. He might

973
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: break your heart one week, will take you to the

974
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: playoffs the next week. I think he's going to be

975
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: really instinctive. But the tackling stuff is a major concern

976
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 3: with where the league is at right now, how tight

977
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 3: everything is in there. They will run at you, they

978
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: will find ways to attack the corners in space, and

979
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: so you've got a guy who can't play in press coverage,

980
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 3: tight and inside and can't tackle and is unwilling to

981
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 3: tackle and stubs his toe And this is the entire

982
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: season that that would be my makingcern well.

983
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: And I think there are understandable whispers of what he

984
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: just kind of sitting on that twenty twenty three year

985
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: which is now. I don't know if I knock him

986
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: that much for that, But he's also had injuries or

987
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: said he's had injuries during the pre draft process, So

988
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: that's that's not the best thing.

989
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: It's a tricky thing.

990
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: I think if you if you have a monster season

991
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: and then your back and your team is worse. So

992
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: I give him a little pass for that somewhat, but

993
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: it's a case where he probably would have been better

994
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: off if he was just in last year's draft. When

995
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: I watch him, though, he does look like an NFL cornerback,

996
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: like he he.

997
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: Clearly is going to play in the league.

998
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: He used the word instincts and just like he has

999
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: a has a feel and I think he's going to

1000
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: be pretty good. Marcus Peters is interesting. You would hope

1001
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: at that size that he can't you learn? Can you

1002
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: learn tackling? Do you think you can do? Is this tackling?

1003
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: And then this turn you back to the game because

1004
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: you want to have no interest in actually hitting someone.

1005
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: There's a lot of these corners this year who they

1006
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 3: do not want to be involved in tackling. They will

1007
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 3: play face up, they will come down if it's a

1008
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 3: free show, they will try and ding someone. They get

1009
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: the tick in the scout moll the guy will hit,

1010
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 3: but wanted to actually be involved in the blucking the count,

1011
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: which is you've got to be in this position, no

1012
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 3: can do. You got to take on a blocker, shift

1013
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: him out of the way, and then go hit a guy

1014
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: in space. No can do. So he's just going to

1015
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: part of the lineage of these guys. The thing with him,

1016
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: I think that it is about to not is I

1017
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: think he operates on a different plane intellectually to a

1018
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: lot of the corns we've had in recent years. They

1019
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: run a really really complex scheme at Michigan, and some

1020
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 3: of the stuff they did was built around I think

1021
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: we have a savant cornerback, so let's really run this

1022
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 3: on the fly, morphing moving coverages that allow him to

1023
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: take control of the back end of the defense. I've

1024
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: not seen anyone do that ever, So they allowed him

1025
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 3: to just basically give a hand signal to a safety

1026
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: and say, you go, have free fun.

1027
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: I've got this side of the field.

1028
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: I've never seen anyone do that at the college level,

1029
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 3: So I think he's operating at a different level intellectually.

1030
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: I think that's part of why we call it instincts.

1031
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 3: But it's just he understands what's happening, like three seconds

1032
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 3: before even the quarterback releases the boss, we can spring

1033
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: on things. So I think as a when he was

1034
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: first coming up, it's like it's going to be that

1035
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: the next great corner. It felt like he was going

1036
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: to be Gonzalez a lot people down, maybe not quite

1037
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 3: the game breaking type plays, whereas I think now it's

1038
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: more evident that he will be a playmaker for you

1039
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 3: more than he will be a down corner.

1040
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: Although that's intriguing to me because if you're saying that,

1041
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 1: there's certainly buildings around the league that are saying something similar,

1042
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: and the respect that they would give the Michigan staff

1043
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: and certainly maybe twenty two with the Chargers is a

1044
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: floor for them if he felled that far. I don't

1045
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: necessarily think he will, but that's intriguing because that should

1046
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: translate to the next level the mental side of things.

1047
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: All right, my question on Travis Hunter with you, and

1048
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: this is where I'm going back into the basic scouting

1049
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: of it all from my view, which is, it's almost

1050
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: like people are in a competition to talk about Travis

1051
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: Hunter of how well they could talk about it, but

1052
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: like how good is he? But when I thought about it,

1053
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: and I watched them at cornerback and watch them at receiver,

1054
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: my thought was that, like, and people recognize he's the

1055
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: best prospect at both positions. My thought in this class

1056
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: is he's probably would I didn't even would say probably

1057
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: for me, he's the best prospect in this class just

1058
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: as a cornerback. He would be the number one overall

1059
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: prospect just as a cornerback, and so I mean all

1060
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: positions comparing him, and I think there's an argument that

1061
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: he might be the best prospect at any position at

1062
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: receiver because to me, I wouldn't put him like it's

1063
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: tough to compare him to Chase coming out because it's

1064
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: a little more polished and stuff. But I think he's

1065
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: in that ballpark where he's in that class of wide receiver.

1066
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: So in this class where I'm not I like Abdul Carter,

1067
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: but I'm not going crazy. He's probably to me the

1068
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: number one overall prospect just as a cornerback, and the

1069
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: number one over a prospect just as a wide receiver,

1070
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: which is why I don't believe. I never believed that

1071
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: he was going to get pat get to the Patriots,

1072
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: and now I don't believe that he's going to get

1073
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: past Cleveland because I think teams see this and they're

1074
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: just gonna want to take him.

1075
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1076
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 3: I find it mind boggling that he's not the runaway,

1077
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 3: numb one overall pick in the draft. I get, okay,

1078
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: take how wall do you want to quote the buy

1079
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 3: that does not a boat race of teams lining this

1080
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: class stinks? Please take our picks. We would like to

1081
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 3: move to number two to have a chance.

1082
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: This is and I'm not.

1083
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 3: Prone to high Berballey as you know, Greg, but he

1084
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: is the most magical player I've ever scouted in my

1085
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 3: career sixteen years. And I include Andrew. Look, I include

1086
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: all the quarterbacks. I've never seen anyone move the way

1087
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 3: this guy moves. And to have those kind of movement

1088
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: skills as a cornerback and as a receiver is the

1089
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 3: most preposterous thing, and it's almost underdiscussed. He's the most

1090
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: famous college football player in the country. He wins the

1091
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: Heisman Trophy. He would have won it even he wasn't

1092
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: very good at two positions. Just for the fact he

1093
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 3: played the two positions, we would have given him the award.

1094
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: But the movement skills extraordinary. The instincts, the understanding of

1095
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 3: the game are beyond belief. The way he can undercut things,

1096
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 3: break on things, play against offenses where usually when you

1097
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: see a great corner in college, people will not target them.

1098
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: That's kind of how it goes, like, oh, they didn't

1099
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 3: want to throw to the good one. Teams tilt their

1100
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 3: entire offensive design to get rid of him so they

1101
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 3: can throw the ball. There's a bunch of games where

1102
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 3: teams are saying, we're going to run a drag cross

1103
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: route to get him all the way out of here.

1104
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: Please run to the outside the field, travers. We don't

1105
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: trust you. You'll figure this out. And we'll also roll

1106
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: the pocket. So the players rolling to the right and

1107
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 3: they're running a drag rout to the left side the

1108
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: field to get him away from everything. He is breaking

1109
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: the entire structure of offenses because they are so afraid

1110
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 3: affront him. And it's not just that he's a better

1111
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 3: athlete than everyone, it's that he's so superiorly smarter than

1112
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: every one as well. And he really reminds me of

1113
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 3: Champ Bailey is a corner and as a receiver. I

1114
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: don't think it's that preposterous to say he's not that

1115
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 3: far off justin Jefferson, and he's doing these things part time.

1116
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: He's doing these things part time, and he's probably going

1117
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 3: to be asked to try and master one in the league.

1118
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 3: And I just think, as Saint to John the other

1119
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: day when we did the Corner podcast, that the floor

1120
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 3: to me feels like the second or third best cornerback

1121
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: in the NFL. De bending our system and circumstance and

1122
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 3: the ceiling is changes the position for generation where kids

1123
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 3: grew up, saying where kids grow up saying I want

1124
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: to play cornerback because Travis Hunt to play cornerback, and

1125
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: he might be more viable at receiver with the way

1126
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 3: the league is and being the eighth best receiver in

1127
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 3: the league might be more viable. But the the upside

1128
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: is Hall of Fame and the position is not considered

1129
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 3: the same. Again, because all these kids grew up saying

1130
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: I want to play cornall like Travis.

1131
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: I see it. I see that vision.

1132
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: And that's why you just can't get in your head

1133
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: about thinking that it's in any way a problem or something.

1134
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: To figure out that he's so good.

1135
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: At both that's a problem for the next nine ten

1136
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: years while he is part of your organization, as you

1137
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: said it, hopefully on a Hall of Fame trajectory, and

1138
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: just get him in my building, because I don't think

1139
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: it's crazy to compare him to Jefferson, because that's where

1140
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: I feel like you can just watch the.

1141
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: Tape and see that he moves in such a way.

1142
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you brought up the smarts because I

1143
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: think that's where the combination comes from. And I don't

1144
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: know if Antonio Brown was like he's certainly not smart.

1145
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: How he speaks to the public or how he acts.

1146
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: But there is something that he understood about football that

1147
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: I've felt like he could move in a cert way

1148
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: that was just different than other people. That combine his

1149
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: incredible athleticism with an understanding about the game as it

1150
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: was happening that allowed him to slow down as it

1151
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: was happening in a way that Justin Jefferson has too.

1152
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: I don't know why Antonio Brown is coming to my

1153
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: mind for Hunter, and I love what you said about

1154
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: the cornerback and his ceiling there, and so I don't

1155
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: have an answer there, but it just seems obvious to me.

1156
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: He's easily the best prospect total in this class, and

1157
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad you agree. I'm glad I also stayed away

1158
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: from your cornerback. But now I'm going to get into it,

1159
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: but I want I wanted it to be fresh hearing

1160
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: it first.

1161
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 3: Here, and I think we did an hour on him

1162
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: because I was still in looks. So another thing with

1163
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 3: him that she knows is theF that he plays with

1164
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 3: is beyond belief. You think about what he's the life

1165
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 3: he's living, which is I have to play both sides

1166
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 3: at the field. I'm tied this is very difficult. I'm

1167
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 3: most incredibly famous. I'm making a ton of money. I'm

1168
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 3: about to become a multimillion and set my family for generations.

1169
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: And yet there are blown plays because the defense he's

1170
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: playing on absolutely stinks. Where he is chasing things down

1171
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 3: from one half of the field to the other side

1172
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: of the field from the midfield line. There's a UCF

1173
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 3: touchdown they score where it's a complete blown overage. It's

1174
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: a wheel right up the left sideline. He is on

1175
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: the right far sideline and he chases that thing to

1176
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 3: the one yard line, just doesn't pull it in in time.

1177
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 3: And if I was him, I'd be thinking of the twenty, like,

1178
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: I don't really need to do this. This defense stinks.

1179
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make a ton of money. So he just

1180
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 3: has every single thing you could ever hope for. The movement, skills,

1181
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: the intellect, the talent playing the ball in flight, I mean,

1182
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: the ability to go up and get it off the

1183
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 3: rim is just as good as you will ever ever

1184
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: see from a prospect. And I don't know where I

1185
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: come down on the which side the ball he would play.

1186
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 3: As a defensive coach, I would really like him to

1187
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: play on the corner side. So I can recruit some

1188
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 3: kids and say, come and play like Travis. That'd be great,

1189
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: maybe more valuable to play receiver, I guess with where

1190
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: the league's at, but I just think he is. It's

1191
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: almost now because cam Ward is going to go first overall,

1192
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 3: almost being underplayed asational prospect we have here and then

1193
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 3: a yeah, lacking blue chip is I just don't know

1194
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: why he's not runaway favorite to be second overall.

1195
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: Right, and or that him and Carter are on the

1196
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: same plane, which no disrespect to Carter, who's a great,

1197
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: great prospect, is just it's not the same to me.

1198
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know why I needed to watch

1199
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: the tape to like to know that he does have

1200
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: that dog in him. Travis Hunter a man that is

1201
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: playing one hundred and twenty steps again at lead to

1202
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: a level that alone you don't even need to watch

1203
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: it like he but man, he does that. That's absolutely

1204
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: a good point. Okay, we're we're gonna fly through your

1205
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: your players. You want and you don't want, let's do

1206
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: it for about fifteen minutes or whatever. But I do

1207
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: want to hear kind of going through and if we've

1208
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: already mentioned them, then we can kind of skip it.

1209
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: But let's let's go through on the defensive line, like

1210
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: we talk defensive tackles with the Michigan guys.

1211
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: Who's the guy you want?

1212
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: Who's the guy that you don't necessarily think draft value

1213
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: is going to match up with what you want?

1214
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy I wont is Omar Norman Law from Tennessee.

1215
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 3: And this is a guy I think. I've not double

1216
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 3: check my math, but I think he played like three

1217
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 3: snaps of game, So I understand why people are concerned.

1218
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: This is hasn't been mentioned on like a national podcast. Yeah,

1219
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: I don't think Omar noran lot like about a third

1220
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: round consensus pick, not like totally off the Raidar, but

1221
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: not an ipick guy.

1222
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 3: Which I think again speaks this idea off you evaluate

1223
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: the prospect in a vacuum and not necessarily what will

1224
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 3: work and what the league is looking for. If you

1225
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 3: can get an up field, I mean, he has the

1226
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: best get off of any interior prospect in the entire class,

1227
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: and he plays with more inline power, and this what

1228
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 3: I call second surge where you kind of engage in

1229
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 3: the blot, then you've got a surge and go again.

1230
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 3: You don't just beat people out of the cleats in

1231
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: the interior. At the offensive line. He to me, drives

1232
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 3: through blockers better than Mason Graham does, and he's not

1233
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: at the same kind of pitch count. I think he

1234
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: played seven hundred something snaps over two seasons. But if

1235
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 3: you just pull up even some of the pressure rates

1236
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: and the figures, it is as good as you will

1237
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: ever find. It is as good as you'll ever find

1238
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 3: of the last ten years on third down, to particular,

1239
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 3: you go and watch the Alabama tape. He is just

1240
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: roasting falls all the time on third down. He's playing

1241
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 3: for a Tennessee staff who won't put him on the

1242
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: fiel on early downs. But if you're looking for in

1243
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: this world now where everyone's going to be trying to

1244
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: replicate the Eagles, how do we get a four man

1245
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 3: pass rush. We don't really want to send pressure packages

1246
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: once we get to the playoffs. We need twitch inside

1247
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 3: and this guy is juiced up more than anyone else

1248
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 3: in the class, frankly along the interior.

1249
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 2: So that is a guy.

1250
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: If I have a chance in the second round just

1251
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 3: to steal him, I think it's going to be unbelievable

1252
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 3: pick up. He may only play thirty snaps a game

1253
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: for you, but that they will be really, really valuable snaps.

1254
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: It sounds like an Eagles pick. Would he still be

1255
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: there at sixty four? Maybe maybe according to these consensus sports,

1256
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: but maybe there's some some people out there. Let's just

1257
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: call Graham the guy we didn't want because he's a

1258
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: he's a profile he's a high profile guy, and we

1259
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: already talked about him enough edge guys that you would

1260
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: want on your team or an edge.

1261
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 3: Guy as a Roku Boston collegist Donovan Azaku. I think

1262
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 3: that he's funny in the sense that so he's a smaller,

1263
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 3: quick off the ball, kind of swoop artist around the edge,

1264
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 3: but he has every single kind of moon put together,

1265
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 3: and it's funny because they are too lot to When

1266
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 3: he came out last season, he kind of created new

1267
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 3: ways to rush the passer. They were like not traditional

1268
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: pass rushing techniques. And I think there's some a lot

1269
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 3: to in Azeraku, but a lot of what he does

1270
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 3: is the traditional mechanics. He just has everything so refined

1271
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: that he is bringing to the game twelve thirteen different moves,

1272
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: some that you've only really seen, like a Daniel Hunter

1273
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 3: run It's as though we watched Danil Hunter of the

1274
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 3: week before and suddenly he's like, oh, I might try

1275
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 3: that out next weekend, and immediately it's perfect. So there's

1276
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 3: a level of detail and craft in there, which is

1277
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: why I think he was what he have sixty and

1278
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 3: a half sacks last season. He's not the best athlete

1279
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 3: off the ball, He's not the biggest athlete. I think

1280
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 3: he's going to get ding to go in the second round,

1281
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 3: maybe because he just doesn't quite have the measurables teams

1282
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 3: are looking for. But if I'm someone like Buffalo looking

1283
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 3: at the foot of that first round saying we want

1284
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,720
Speaker 3: pass rush, and I know they want bigger, thicker pass rushes,

1285
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: so maybe it's not the best example, but we just

1286
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 3: want someone who's going to come in no how to

1287
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 3: rush the passer like a veteran from the get go

1288
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 3: and be an impactful playoff player where maybe he only

1289
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 3: plays twenty five snap is a silp roshure early on.

1290
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 3: I think as a rock he doesn't have. You know,

1291
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: a lot of these teams a hunting and searching for

1292
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 3: guys who can kind of cuncave in the pocket. It's

1293
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 3: like we want alt to empower where we can just

1294
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 3: compress the pocket. That's what a lot of these guys

1295
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 3: are looking for. He's not going to be that for you,

1296
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 3: but I think if you can scheme out what you

1297
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 3: get him fifteen one on one shots a game, i'd

1298
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 3: you're really surprised if he isn't closing one of those

1299
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: in the team looking to go in the playoffs. That

1300
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 3: would just be invaluable.

1301
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another potential Eagles pick.

1302
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 1: Not that he's a one for one for a gram,

1303
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: but a Brandon Graham but undersized and certainly I think

1304
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: they might be looking at edge early in this draft

1305
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: class to start restocking. That would be a fun one.

1306
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: I could see him going. It's tough this class. The

1307
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: same thing is happening that's always happening, which is just

1308
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: like a consensus forms and it seems like it's going

1309
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: to be logical. And to be fair, the last couple

1310
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: of drafts, for the most part, the first rounds, they

1311
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: haven't been predictable exactly where people go, but they actually

1312
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: have been a little predictable of like the twenty six

1313
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: twenty seven guys people are getting right in their mock

1314
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: draft are going to be in the first round. This one,

1315
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: in theory is going to be a lot more unpredictable.

1316
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 1: So to me, I mean he could go as early

1317
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: as the box or something like that. Yeah, it's difficult,

1318
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: particularly with the defensive line. I mean I have thirty

1319
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: five draftable grade for just interior defensive lineman. I don't

1320
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: know the last time there was anything close to that.

1321
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: And then there's probably going to be about twenty two

1322
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: to twenty four draftable edge defenders before probably the sixth round.

1323
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: That is just a lot of people to try and

1324
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: get off the board, and there will be I think

1325
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: wiggle room within that because I think that top twelve

1326
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: of edge defenders in particular, there's a real large range

1327
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: right on. How do you feel about James Pearce, for example?

1328
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: Is he a almost undraftable player? Is he the third

1329
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: best player in the class?

1330
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: So who is he for you? Is he the one

1331
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: you wouldn't want? He is the one that I would

1332
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: not want in my building? Yet? Okay? Why is that

1333
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: just not like the bag of moves or Yeah?

1334
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: I like passwords who know what they're doing when they

1335
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 3: rush the passer, and not just kind of upfield athletes

1336
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: who tests really well but don't quite know how to

1337
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: play football on Saturdays or some this.

1338
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: If they're strong enough into it.

1339
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: Like I'll always defend that Marcus Davenport pick, not the

1340
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: trade up so that I don't defend it at all,

1341
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: but just like he could be a good NFL payer,

1342
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: but I don't see Pierce having that sort of like

1343
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: next level strength or anything like that. Let's let's go

1344
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: back to cornerback actually, well before we move on from

1345
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: defensive tackle.

1346
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 2: One other question I had, now I'm really slow in things, nown.

1347
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: Was if you just took the fifteen best plays of

1348
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: Walter Nolan, whose defensive tackle potential first round pick here,

1349
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: how many defensive players in this class would be ahead of,

1350
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: like the best fifteen.

1351
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: Places of.

1352
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: Just like Madam, of all these guys, Walter Lowland might

1353
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: be my number one defensive lineman.

1354
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's pretty crazy.

1355
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 3: I have him in the tear as his own as

1356
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 3: an interior defensive line prospect, just because the movement skills

1357
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 3: is so beyond measure. I think he's a boardline terrible

1358
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 3: football player right now, and actually a dangerous right clus

1359
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: football player. He lowers his head on contact constantly, and

1360
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 3: that's a real concern but he just moves like nobody

1361
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 3: else in the class from me at that size, we've

1362
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 3: true knock back rocked the pocket power Like, it's really

1363
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 3: difficult to get guys inside unless it's like Vitevea Vince

1364
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 3: Wilford just collapse the pocket. Usually it's like a press right,

1365
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 3: you push people, Matt, you drop the center into the

1366
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 3: lap of the quarterback, or you hit a guard and

1367
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 3: you kind of crack them. Fall back is what you

1368
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 3: call it. Where you knock someone back, fall off and

1369
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 3: land for the sack. You don't really see the pocket

1370
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 3: get detonated a whole bunch inside, unless it's like JJ

1371
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 3: Watt coming inside. He drops the pocket and he's smaller

1372
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 3: than all those guys I mentioned. So I think if

1373
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 3: you can figure out how to get the football player

1374
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 3: together and you can actually get some technical refinement in there,

1375
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: then he could be truly truly special one. It's just

1376
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 3: a long long way from the top fifteen you mentioned

1377
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 3: to the middle fifteen are undraftable, that's the concern. It's

1378
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 3: not even the bottom fifteen, the middle fifteen or like

1379
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 3: deeply deeply troubling, but the top fifteen.

1380
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm with you.

1381
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 3: If you just take those I would say I would

1382
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 3: have him just behind Hunter probably night Love.

1383
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that'd be like number two.

1384
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: That's insane, which is why we're not allowed to gamble

1385
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: here at NFL Daily. But whatever the over under on

1386
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: where Walter Nolan draft, you know stock is, I am

1387
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: taking him getting drafted earlier because if I was trying

1388
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: to think of, like, oh, who's the stunning guy that

1389
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: the Jags took at five or something, I could see it.

1390
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 2: Why not because of what exactly what you just said?

1391
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: What I just said, because it the best plays, just

1392
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: the pure athleticism are that crazy and consensus board I

1393
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: just checked he's at twenty six.

1394
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

1395
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: I just feel like a guy in this in this

1396
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: class where teams are gonna look for some upside in

1397
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: the top ten, like he is an kind of an

1398
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: under the radar guy who could go top ten. All right,

1399
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: who is a cornerback that you would want a draft?

1400
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: And who who would you you know, you don't think

1401
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: it matches up value wise in this in this class.

1402
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 3: I think Trey Amos is the cornerback who should probably

1403
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 3: be discussed in like the twelve to fifteen range. I

1404
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 3: think he's the smartest corner of a lot of these guys.

1405
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 3: He plays legit, bump and run all over the field coverage,

1406
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 3: the best press technique I think of any of the

1407
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 3: guys in this class, probably the smartest on the fly

1408
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 3: corner outside of Travis Hunter.

1409
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 2: In this class.

1410
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 3: They run a lot of different stuff there and he's

1411
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: got it all down. So he would be the one

1412
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 3: where he's completely to me, team independent. He can play

1413
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 3: in any system you want, any scheme you want. You're

1414
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 3: not just looking at Will Johnson where you would have

1415
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 3: to be a really really zone every team to be

1416
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 3: intrigued in Will Johnson.

1417
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: Amos can just slot in anywhere.

1418
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: Okay, this is a guy who fortieth on the consensus board.

1419
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: Another old miss guy like Walter Nolan.

1420
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: They had a lot of.

1421
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 3: It's amazing that the Kingsbury Kiffin once again. Somehow he

1422
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 3: had maybe the second best cornerback in the class, maybe

1423
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 3: the best interior defensive lineman. I think, Princely, you the

1424
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 3: edge defender should be a first round pick. He's probably

1425
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 3: not going to be. And somehow Kiffen couldn't figure out

1426
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 3: a way and Jackson Dot who I hear apparently is

1427
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 3: going to go in the top I know, right, to

1428
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 3: be the third quard back off the board. Somehow he

1429
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 3: didn't make it to the playoffs.

1430
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: Although I will say uh Quincin Judkins liked him better

1431
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: at Old Miss. He was one where I didn't get

1432
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: the tape totally until I watched the Old Miss and

1433
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: then I was like, Okay, I get it, I get it.

1434
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: That's a That's an interesting one, tray amos because fortieth

1435
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: on the consensus sport, but he is one where between

1436
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: the reporters like Daniel Jeremiah who are plugged in. He's

1437
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: not a reporter, but draft analysts and some of the reporters,

1438
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: he is someone I have a feeling that teams disagree

1439
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: with the draft knicks the most one. So I think

1440
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams that agree with you

1441
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: and see him in that range. And so that's another

1442
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: one that whatever the over underline is, maybe it'll move

1443
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: by the time they actually post these. I would probably

1444
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: take that he's going to get drafted before most people think.

1445
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the most Sean McDermott corner in this class,

1446
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 3: and the Bills are right there, and I feel like

1447
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 3: Shilan will be all being.

1448
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: And that's a big need for them too. I think

1449
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: the second cornerback spot. Who's give me a cornerback. Maybe

1450
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: you're not as into.

1451
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 3: Chavonn Ravel, who was being built as a first round prospect.

1452
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 3: I think that's come down. I've not checked the consensus

1453
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 3: ball recently to see where he's being projected to go.

1454
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably right on the border. I think a lot

1455
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: of people would have him in the first round here.

1456
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just build as a kind of smaller school

1457
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 3: athletic freak. But he's coming off the ACL ten when

1458
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 3: you watch the film, he's not actually an athletic freak

1459
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 3: at smaller school level. And there's a lot of plays

1460
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 3: in the ball, but there is an awful lot of

1461
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 3: coverage busts and breakdowns, and it is purely like just

1462
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 3: go by feel. He is a sea ball attack ball

1463
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 3: player and often is corrupt and completely The defensive system

1464
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 3: had to go and ask someone at the school some

1465
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 3: of the concepts they were running to see if he

1466
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 3: was making like an assignment error or they were running

1467
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 3: a defense I'd never seen before, which is like locking

1468
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 3: one player in man coverage but on the perimeter, which

1469
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: is not normally what you would do, and then zoning

1470
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 3: the entire rest at the field and allowing that guy

1471
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 3: to travel. It was really like matrix head spinning stuff

1472
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 3: and I was involved. No, he just to do his

1473
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 3: own thing on several reps and go and try to

1474
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 3: tug the bull. So you get a six three one

1475
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 3: ninety three guy who's supposed to be Tarik Woolan is

1476
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 3: kind of where people with building kme MOUs and people

1477
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 3: don't want to miss on not taking Woolen in like

1478
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 3: the second round, first round and letting him slide all

1479
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 3: the way down. I just don't think he has that

1480
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 3: kind of athletic difference makeup.

1481
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing again for my advantage point. When

1482
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: I watched the smaller school guys or even even guys

1483
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: like the Colorado guys in a conference, it's not as strong.

1484
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: If you're going to be billed as that guy, you

1485
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: want to see them standing out. And I'm with you.

1486
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought him up. Because I got home

1487
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: from the Dodgers game. My son's been begging to go

1488
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: to the Dodgers. We saw a bit of a stinker

1489
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: four two loss last night, and I wanted to get

1490
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: through as many of these defensive guys last minute, So

1491
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: I did watch a couple of the Revel games and

1492
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: I was in I was just like, I don't know,

1493
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't I don't know enough to feel much of

1494
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: any way about this, but I don't totally see it

1495
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: where he was like popping off the screen. So now

1496
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad I stayed up late to watch an East

1497
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: Carolina cornerback coming off a torn ac out. But he

1498
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: probably is going to be a second round pick at

1499
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: the very lowest, so an interesting prospect to keep an

1500
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: eye on. All right, out of all the positions we

1501
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: haven't gone through one by one, I'll just give you

1502
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: an open ended choice here. Any players that you want

1503
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: to get in for it. We'll start with the positive

1504
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: and then we'll go with the negative. But any players

1505
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: at the other positions like linebackers, safety, I think that's

1506
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: really all that we've left off that you just are

1507
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: that are Allie Connolly guys, Yeah, my day on Henley

1508
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: TM linebacker. My guy this season is Tireen Palell from RUKAS,

1509
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: who I don't even know if he's gonna get drafted.

1510
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: I haven't looked at the consensus bullet, but I think

1511
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: he has by far the best and quickest eyes at

1512
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: the lineback vision and he is absolutely gin almost And

1513
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: the concern in him is I think he's six' five

1514
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: two foldy somewhere in that, range and the concern, is

1515
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: well can he actually move and you, know twist and

1516
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: change directions as linebackers must. DO i didn't have those

1517
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: concerns at. All SO i think the if you're looking,

1518
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: FOR i really think you can go and find starting

1519
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: linebacker is now in the fourth or fifth because it's

1520
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: just a position where you have to have patients, anyway

1521
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: and it's probably going to take you two. Years i'd

1522
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: rather get a guy with that level of know how

1523
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: an understanding go already with that athletic. Profile where bring

1524
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: a six to five guy in and you get yourself

1525
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: Into Devondre campbell territory in a couple of. Seasons everyone

1526
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: else is going to be looking at you, going, wow

1527
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: how did you get that guy in the fifth round

1528
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: out of Rook So Tyrene powell is my like really

1529
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: late sleep. Linebacker If Tyrene powell goes on day three,

1530
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: totam you should stand up and. Celebrate, OKAY i am

1531
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: not being rude. Here if you're watching on, YouTube like

1532
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: counting numbers of my mouth while you're talking. Here i'm

1533
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: trying to go on the consensus sport to find out

1534
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: what rank he is for. LINEBACKERS i came up with twenty. Eight,

1535
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: uh he's at three twenty nine. Overall so you heard it. Here,

1536
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: FIRST i love A Tyrene powell shout, out and.

1537
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 2: That's that's a good shout.

1538
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: Out if you, had if you Had Dayan, henley this

1539
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,919
Speaker 1: is your your, position this is your. GUY i will

1540
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: now be Tracking Tyrene powell's career a lot closer for

1541
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: the rest of. It, wait you Mentioned campbell as if

1542
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: it was a bad, thing like how he is now.

1543
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 3: No, NO i as when he first got The Green

1544
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 3: bay and we get this long gone perridactyl in the

1545
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 3: middle of all.

1546
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 2: Defense, OKAY i was. HOPING i was hoping so BECAUSE.

1547
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: I you, KNOW i once wrote five hundred words on

1548
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: how well Did Deon jones And Devandre Campbell we're playing

1549
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: at the halftime of The Falcons Patriots Super bowl that

1550
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: watching those two guys in, PERSON i was, LIKE i

1551
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: Think Deon jones And Devondre campbell are the difference in this.

1552
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: Game they are just playing absolutely outrageous football right.

1553
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 2: Now and then it didn't hold. Up but nice.

1554
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: Career It's Devondre, campbell although he might he might have

1555
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: talked his way, out walked his way out of the

1556
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: league with the way he finished with the forty nine.

1557
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: Ers all, right let's finish up with THE i hate

1558
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,919
Speaker 1: to finish, negative but, anyone anyone that kind of caught

1559
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: your eye as you're, evaluating and you're somewhat aware of

1560
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: how their view that weren't WEREN'T olli commonlygu, Guys.

1561
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 3: YEAH i think The Malachi dogs one is tough for.

1562
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:57,439
Speaker 3: ME i just don't see the player the everyone else

1563
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 3: seems to. SEE i think he's almost built Like morphing

1564
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 3: move him around, safety and it's just an awful lot

1565
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 3: of bad. Tape if you just go and watch The

1566
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,959
Speaker 3: Notre dame tape on its, own it's like hilariously, bad

1567
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 3: and you just start, laughing being, like this is a

1568
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 3: top twenty draft?

1569
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 2: Pick are you? Kidding?

1570
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 3: Me all over the, place confused about what's happening in the,

1571
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 3: backfield confused aout where he should be on the. Field

1572
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 3: he is a splash, playmaker and So i'm sure a

1573
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 3: team will take him somewhere in the twenty five, range

1574
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 3: maybe a little bit higher because they believe they can

1575
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 3: get a kind of pseudo slot corner who can maybe

1576
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 3: play in the back and few as a. SAFETY i

1577
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 3: just don't think he's the kind of athletic pheno that

1578
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 3: he was built to. Be AND i think it's a

1579
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 3: little bit of just helmet Scouting georgia next guy and you,

1580
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 3: know in, line the next cab off the, rank AND

1581
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 3: i just don't see him like. THAT i think That

1582
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 3: Kevin winston At Penn state SAFETY i think is by

1583
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 3: far the best safety in the. Class. SPICY i think

1584
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 3: he's being built in the second, round third round.

1585
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 2: Range but if you want.

1586
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 3: A true middle of the, field, rangey come down and

1587
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 3: bang type, guy think Of Jacon brisco where it's like

1588
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 3: you want him close to the line OF i means

1589
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 3: you can be a true blitz of fol you but

1590
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 3: he's solid enough to hang on the back ends you

1591
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 3: can get into cool rotational. Stuff winston missed a lot

1592
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 3: of the season with a TOUR, acl SO i think

1593
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 3: he slipped down people's. Ball maybe just go by the

1594
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 3: Film Stark swiss Is. Winston it's not particularly close for.

1595
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: Me, yeah maybe in looking At i'm looking for Where

1596
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: winston even. Is, yeah like a late third round contensus

1597
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: board out Of Penn. State all, RIGHT i need to

1598
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: check him out then before before. Drafting maybe it was

1599
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i Had Malachie starts and Today baron in the same.

1600
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: Ballpark to, me because they're both you, know playing some

1601
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: slaughter or. Whatever but watching those two back to, back

1602
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: not that they're playing in the exact same, position but

1603
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: Today barroon to me is a very exciting. Player And Malachi,

1604
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 1: starks the safety out Of, georgia who, yeah you, mentioned

1605
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: has been mocked sometimes as high as like The dolphins at.

1606
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 1: THIRTEEN i do think he's a little bit of THE

1607
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: i could be. WRONG i don't think it's quite as,

1608
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,919
Speaker 1: consensus but similar To Trey, amos but in the reverse

1609
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: THAT i don't think teams are quite as high as

1610
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: some of the mosters had.

1611
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 2: Him so maybe he is a guy that could. Suck

1612
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 2: do you like Today? Baron before we?

1613
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 3: Leave by the, WAY i do like Today. BARRON i

1614
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 3: don't get any concern about the way you're going to play.

1615
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 3: HIM i think he's really really solid and comfortable and

1616
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 3: basically every alignment they ask him to, play which is

1617
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 3: some dim, linebackers some permit to, cornerback some deep safety

1618
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 3: that sounds like an amazing piece to me in a,

1619
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 3: draftway if you gone go and hunt one of the

1620
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 3: blue chip, prospects IF i can get a guy you

1621
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 3: can fill in five different roles from, me and he's

1622
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 3: a really effective blitzet both inside and coming off the edge.

1623
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 3: Too that that is a guy where you look up

1624
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 3: in week, twelve week thirteen and everyone's, like, wow they

1625
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 3: just got an, impactful fine play for like eight years

1626
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 3: and we took a big swing on an edgeusser who

1627
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 3: would not show can have a.

1628
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: Play, yeah he's someone.

1629
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: Today baron From texas, Cornerback, yeah can play a few different.

1630
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 1: Positions he's one where if you're not Counting hunter exactly

1631
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: as a cornerback because he can do so many you,

1632
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: know both. Things he can play receiver, too then he's

1633
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: probably the one That i'd feel certainly safest. ABOUT i

1634
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: MEAN i would feel safer Than Will johnson.

1635
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 3: To, ME i don't Think barron has the turn and

1636
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 3: roll ability of some of the other, guys and so

1637
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 3: if you get caught tight, split we got whoever coming out,

1638
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 3: There we've Got Pooka nakua and it's a two way.

1639
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 3: GO i think that's where you get in trouble and

1640
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 3: it's just so difficult to go and find those corners

1641
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 3: who can really rev then have the intangibles and instincts

1642
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 3: that That baron.

1643
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: Does So, BARRON i think it's, LIKE i, mean who

1644
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: can't do. That Jalen ramsey can't do. That nobody can do.

1645
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: That though it's Only satan And. Gonzales those are two

1646
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: great hopes and Hopefully hunter and we're hoping for some

1647
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 1: more Maybe. Amos BUT i think barn is a little bit.

1648
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: MORE i don't think THAT i know he's being mocked

1649
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 1: in some place in the top ten because it's just

1650
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: like excellent, corner so therefore valuable position must go. UP

1651
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: i don't think he plays the game in a way

1652
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: that is like maximal value is he's going to shut,

1653
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: down receive us for. US i think he's way more

1654
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: of like a plug holes figure things, out makes the scheme,

1655
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: better makes the scheme more, diverse kind of a force

1656
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: multiplier on defense that allows our blue chip players to

1657
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: go play their best.

1658
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,839
Speaker 2: Ball, yeah like like every defensive.

1659
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: Back it would be exciting to see him With Brian

1660
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: flores there at twenty, four AND i kind of think

1661
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 1: they IF i had to. GUESS i would guess defensive

1662
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: back for The vikings just based on their current, Needs

1663
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: so he would be a fun fit fit.

1664
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 2: There he's typical of this.

1665
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: Class which to wrap it, up which is that that's

1666
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: WHAT dj has been saying. Too it's not a it's

1667
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: probably a draft where you shouldn't be searching for. Upside

1668
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: you should be just searching for some guys who are

1669
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: going to help, you like A Jday. Baron so if

1670
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: he goes higher than you, think it's, Like i'll live

1671
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: with it in this class just because like he'll be

1672
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: a solid player for.

1673
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 2: You and it's.

1674
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 3: That it's that kind of what's funny about searching for

1675
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 3: the upside is there are guys Like Andreas peebles going

1676
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 3: in the sixth. Round they are just as quick off

1677
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 3: the ball as some of these guys open the first.

1678
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 3: Round that the upside guys all the way. Here LIKE i,

1679
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 3: said thirty five guys the interior defensive line you would

1680
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 3: be pretty happy about having, selected just depending on the.

1681
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 3: Value and there are guys who can really fly off

1682
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 3: the ball deep down the. Drafts if you just want

1683
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 3: one gap up the field, burst there's like fifteen of.

1684
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 3: Them waiting for you on late day, two day. Three

1685
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 3: you don't have to go and hunt for those guys

1686
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 3: and say we Need james off the. Edge no one

1687
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 3: can move by that. Guy there's like five or six

1688
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 3: of them waiting on day. Three you can fly off

1689
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 3: the ball.

1690
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: Too, yeah and if you if you want to hear

1691
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: about them, All ali And John ledyard have it covered

1692
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 1: on The Read optional. Podcast they both write. Separately but,

1693
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: yeah if you go To ali's, substack it is it's

1694
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: one of the best out, there and it goes it goes.

1695
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: Deep ALTHOUGH i don't know if you go thirty five.

1696
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: Deep that's just just the content idea for you that

1697
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: you should do like a thirty five deep my top

1698
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: thirty five draftable guys and make it like based on

1699
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: your guys's. Cadence it would be roughly seven and a half.

1700
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 2: Hours it'd be.

1701
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 3: Amazing, Yeah John dunn doesn't let me get down to

1702
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 3: thirty five, five asked him.

1703
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 2: To i've, said, PLEASE i think that would be. Fun

1704
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 2: just do a.

1705
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 1: BIT i know it's not your, bit but do a

1706
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: bit and put a time limit on it that like

1707
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: guys twenty through thirty, five you're only allowed a certain

1708
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: amount of, time like three minutes or whatever it.

1709
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 3: Is but JUST i, Mean i've been watching The Iowa State.

1710
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 3: Revas you, Know i've been digging a junior. College i've

1711
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 3: been digging everywhere a talent for. People there's a lot

1712
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 3: of it this. YEAR i understand there's probably eight really talented.

1713
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 2: Plays what is miss?

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01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 3: School you just said The Iowa State revas hunted deck

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01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 3: is cool at the back left the absolute.

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01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 2: Canon, yeah he's probably going to go and. Drafted maybe

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01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 2: is that the most random school that you watch?

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01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 3: It?

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01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: YEAH i would feel like IF i watched that many,

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01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: GUYS i would just have to talk about them or.

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01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 2: Else what AM i? Doing what was the? Point you've

1722
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 2: just made me question my? Life? Wow that was.

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01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 1: Profound you'll be as you'll be as prepared for these

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01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: guys at the next. Level i'm more, Interested i'll be.

1725
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: REAL i, Mean i'm really interested in this, draft But

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01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: i'm also. Interested you just mentioned a lot. TOO i

1727
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: want to. Go it's the time of. YEAR i want

1728
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: to start going back and look, Like, okay lat too

1729
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: wasn't quite the, guy maybe didn't have the rookie. SEASON i,

1730
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: THOUGHT i want to go back and start watching some

1731
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: of those, guys but that's for.

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01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 2: Me we'll try to have.

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01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: You on later in the off season for some sort

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01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 1: of project like that that would be. Fun again check

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01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: Out Ali connolly appreciates, You, ali and we will be

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01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 1: back On tuesday. Afternoon so just to let you guys

1737
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: know that are. Listing we're kind of in an afternoon.

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01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: Cadence sometimes we're an overnight. Cadence we're going to be

1739
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: posting in the Afternoon West coast time all. Week we

1740
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: Have Jordan rodrigue And Colleen wolf in for our next.

1741
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: Show that is going to be a fun. One only

1742
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 1: what ten days left until THE Nfl. Draft when we're

1743
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: going thirty five deep at defensive, line you know football is.

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Speaker 1: Back