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Speaker 1: He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war

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Speaker 1: the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco.

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Speaker 1: And now your hosts Brian brought us, Kyle Yeoman's and

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Speaker 1: David Hellman. It is Tuesday, May the third, and just

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Speaker 1: like that, the Cowboys war Room, which spent so much

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Speaker 1: of the past weekend just bustling with activity, is empty.

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Speaker 1: It just it's it's like it's like a rollercoaster that

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Speaker 1: just stops short and all of a sudden, we're here

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Speaker 1: to examine what happened and wonder how it all went

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Speaker 1: by so fast, Fellas. Yeah, it is, and uh, it's

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Speaker 1: it's funny because if I still work with the team,

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Speaker 1: I think I'd be sitting in there just kind of

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Speaker 1: looking at the board still. You know, always you're kind

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Speaker 1: of the big dramatic moment. Guy. I'm I'm sit out

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Speaker 1: on the field for an hour after the game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm one of those I like to kind of take

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Speaker 1: take it all in and not that. Uh. Oh, by

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Speaker 1: yesterday with our Ravens discussions oh night. So yeah, but

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Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't win. Yeah, but we didn't win that.

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Speaker 1: But no, the the the the I think that where

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Speaker 1: like I say, you're right, you work so hard at

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Speaker 1: where they went, and then I'm looking forward all your

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Speaker 1: tweets day that you're really good at during the season,

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Speaker 1: like oh yeah, we talked about that guy. Remember him?

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Speaker 1: Remember this guy? Like when some guy blocks upun or

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Speaker 1: that's you know, but that's that's the thing about it is,

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Speaker 1: and then you just and then it just stops. It's

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Speaker 1: almost like the end of the football season. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: when we worked the football season and like for the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: were so excited and we're going, we're going, we're going,

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Speaker 1: just like, Okay, what do I do now, you know

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Speaker 1: what do I do? Now? That is exactly where we

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Speaker 1: are here on one final episode of the Draft Show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dave Hellman. Bobby Brian Kyle, like the big voice

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Speaker 1: guy said, and yeah, I mean what at this point,

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Speaker 1: we've had forty seventy two hours since the last pick

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Speaker 1: was made to kind of sit in our feelings and

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Speaker 1: digest it all. And I would love to just sort

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Speaker 1: of break down our feelings on this draft class. We

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Speaker 1: obviously reacted to it all live, but we'll start it

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Speaker 1: out just by saying, has your opinion changed, morphed whatever

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Speaker 1: about anything the boys did? Specifically, we can talk about

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Speaker 1: the big three picks Tyler Smith in the first round,

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Speaker 1: Sam Williams in the second, and Jalen Tolbert in the third,

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Speaker 1: but overall too, I mean, if you have something on

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Speaker 1: just want to take it around the table and see

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Speaker 1: how you feel. Bobby, I'll start with you felt like

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Speaker 1: and I know we talked about all the time, but

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Speaker 1: I mean it felt like more of a traits draft

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Speaker 1: lot of it just was about, hey, these guys need

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Speaker 1: we really believe in the potential of all these guys,

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Speaker 1: and the potential is off the charts. It's just going

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Speaker 1: to take, you know, some investment. And that goes all

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Speaker 1: It was traits all the way in between. I think

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Speaker 1: the hallmark of this will be remembered as they went

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Speaker 1: traits and toughness. They clearly wanted to sort of adjust

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Speaker 1: the culture and bring in a different style of player

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Speaker 1: That's not going to happen in an NFL draft. However,

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Speaker 1: The draft was different because it was the last two drafts.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't about need, it was about yeah, it was about, hey,

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Speaker 1: you there, sir. You just took your starting left guard.

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Speaker 1: You needed a wide receiver because of the situation you

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Okay, well, you know I was

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Speaker 1: it was almost textbook to how to move up and down,

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Speaker 1: move up down, no, no, but to to look at

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like they got pretty good value with

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Speaker 1: in that fourth round, Jake Ferguson wasn't necessarily the top

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Speaker 1: he was more consistent. They need to get that from

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Speaker 1: not only from the previous draft class. But I'm not

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Speaker 1: He's got a high ceiling. It's just you got to

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Speaker 1: get it out of him. That's up that Joe Philibin,

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Speaker 1: that's up to Kellen Moore. It's those guys across the building. Now,

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Speaker 1: they got to take advantage because they've got the guy,

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Speaker 1: I think they they're confident they're getting it out of

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Speaker 1: you know, Joe Philbin and these offensive coaches, you can

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Speaker 1: I can see how he could come off in an interview.

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Speaker 1: now the pressure is on Mike McCarthy, Kellen Moore, Joe Philbin.

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Speaker 1: You know you you know, if you if you don't

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Speaker 1: find a way that McCarthy even said himself, three draft

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Speaker 1: classes now, three draft classes. You know you got to

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Speaker 1: find a way to you know, because I feel like

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Speaker 1: some teams in your division got a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: I felt like the Giants got a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: You know. It felt like the Commanders got a little

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Speaker 1: bit better. You know, Eagles got a little it better.

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Speaker 1: So maybe the gap. You know, you still have the

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Speaker 1: best quarterback in the division, you know, and that always helps.

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Speaker 1: But you know, they they've added some pieces, those other

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Speaker 1: teams have added some pieces along the way to make

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Speaker 1: it not so much maybe a six oh cake walk

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Speaker 1: for you during the year. I think we've all heard

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Speaker 1: the rumor that Tyler Smith wouldn't have finished his college

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Speaker 1: career at Tulsa hadn't he stayed. And it's a great point,

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Speaker 1: and I think it gives you a really good idea

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Speaker 1: this kid could go to an Alabama and start and

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Speaker 1: maybe be a top ten pick, that's wonderful. I do

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Speaker 1: think the caveat there is had he done that, that

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Speaker 1: is a full season of developing in the SEC where

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Speaker 1: to be a top five it's a step up from Tulsa,

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Speaker 1: but it's not the NFL. And you're also probably going

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Speaker 1: to a program that is used to pumping these kids out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Bannat has top ten tackle every year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you're in a situation too. Let's not forget that

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati from that conference made it to the playoffs, so

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Speaker 1: they're playing good football. It's just a matter of maybe

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Speaker 1: some of the coaching, maybe it's he's such a good

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Speaker 1: player that you don't mess with him technique wise, you

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Speaker 1: just don't saying as a coach, you're kind of like,

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Speaker 1: do you really are you really pulling it? I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: again It's not like I'm taking a slam at Tulsa there,

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Speaker 1: but it's like, sometimes you let these star players play,

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Speaker 1: just do it, just just play, whereas maybe if you

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Speaker 1: do go to one of these other places and stuff

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Speaker 1: the competition again that that you know, playoff team from

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Speaker 1: that from that American Athletic Conference. There was part of it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't mean that, you know, so much as a

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Speaker 1: knock on Tulsa. I guess my point sounded like it not. No,

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I meant it more along the lines of like,

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Speaker 1: it's great if he's got the talent to play at

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Speaker 1: an Alabama. Yeah, that's still that's a year of coaching

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Speaker 1: that he's getting that he's not now the coaching needs

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Speaker 1: to happen here, right, That's the point I was trying,

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Speaker 1: And that's the point. I think Bobby's onto and he's right,

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Speaker 1: But I think this, I think this is a year

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Speaker 1: where and we've talked a bad bunch on one, O

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Speaker 1: five three. The fan is that they're they're in a

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Speaker 1: situation right now with the evaluation of the coaches, especially

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Speaker 1: the way dan Quinn's contract is. Yeah, you know, it

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Speaker 1: appears to me that dan Quinn has got the kind

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Speaker 1: of contract now where you know, Mike McCarthy's like, I

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Speaker 1: wish we wouldn't have had to go through all this

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But yeah, there's there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of pressure on this offensive staff. The defensive staff appears

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Speaker 1: to be able to develop players. I was having a

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Speaker 1: conversation with some guys coming on on the way over here.

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Speaker 1: We're like, you know, if this if Tyler Smith was

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Speaker 1: playing for Dan Quinn, I wouldn't worry at all about

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Speaker 1: this pick. But I would. I worry, you know, I worry.

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Speaker 1: And we interviewed Joe Philban. He was super nice to us.

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Speaker 1: I was and here's a guy that again I'm sit

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Speaker 1: there thinking, okay, Joe Philman, here I am. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm the guy that wants to get rid of you,

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Speaker 1: you know. But he was. He was very cordial and

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Speaker 1: very nice about the interview and stuff like that. A pro,

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Speaker 1: but you know, there's pressure on him to get this

496
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Speaker 1: to get this line playing like it was halfway through

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Speaker 1: the season last year. There's been a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: about Tyler Smith's hands and his hand usage and stuff

499
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Speaker 1: like that. His feet, their feet or which you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to clean up to those pass sets. But that's

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Speaker 1: the thing again, it's almost like he doesn't know. And

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Speaker 1: Joe FilmOn kind of talked about it. There is something

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Speaker 1: intriguing about a clean slate. You're not having it. You

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Speaker 1: want wonderful if you do a good job and if

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Speaker 1: you do a bad job. If you if you don't

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Speaker 1: do a good job, they will. It's okay, there's one

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Speaker 1: of our litmus tests to find someone else. Bobby, Do

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Speaker 1: you feel like maybe the way, if I'm reading you right,

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Speaker 1: you feel like that this was more of a Scouts

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Speaker 1: pick than it was the coaches one a ready made

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Speaker 1: guy and this is not a ready made guy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think the Scouts are really really high

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Speaker 1: on him. Love it. Yeah, I mean there there because

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Speaker 1: their whole thing is about the projection. It's just a

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Speaker 1: coach needs to go get it out of him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a coach. You know, if it's kind of like win

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Speaker 1: now and her jobs are on the line. We'd rather

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Speaker 1: have a plug and blake than somebody we got to

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Speaker 1: build from the ground up. So yeah, I think that's

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Speaker 1: the case. But I also think there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people on the coaching stuff. We're also intrigued by

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Speaker 1: these are the traits that we can build something really special.

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Speaker 1: What do you think and we'll just we'll keep this

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Speaker 1: look it out. And you're saying if Tyler Smith, just

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Speaker 1: if let's say, let's say the Titans trade up to

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Speaker 1: twenty three and snatch him, Okay, scene, I think scene,

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Speaker 1: I think Devin Lloyd and scene. Yeah, the ones that

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Speaker 1: come into my head are Devin Lloyd and Lewis which

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Speaker 1: we didn't talk a lot about Lewis scene, but I'm

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Speaker 1: I can tell you now after the fact that he

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Speaker 1: was pretty highly graded on their board, which would have

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Speaker 1: been crazy. The one year that they actually had the

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Speaker 1: safety depth is the one year they actually drafted, and

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Speaker 1: that's high. That's why I think I think it would

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Speaker 1: have been Lloyd because they would look at it and say,

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Speaker 1: we've got two safeties under contract. Probably, I think that

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Speaker 1: that's safe. Devin Lloyd at twenty four, Am I not

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Speaker 1: allowed to cheat and say at fifty six that it

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Speaker 1: would have been Jaylen Tolbert if it wasn't Sam. Um.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's because that's outside the spirit of the exercise.

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Speaker 1: But if you want to, yeah, I won't do that.

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Speaker 1: Um gosh, I tell you, I'm looking at the order

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Speaker 1: online and like, there isn't a name that jumps out

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Speaker 1: to me, like in the ten spots after Sam Williams. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't see it. Nay Anderson at Ingram, cam taylor Bridge.

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Speaker 1: Would they have taken one of those? Would they have

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Speaker 1: taken one of those cards? Yes? I mean would you've

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Speaker 1: taken I mean it was like Canard on their board

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Speaker 1: you mentioned medical. Okay, so maybe it's say, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: Luke Fortner yeah, or he's yeah, Abraham Lucas yeah. Um.

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Speaker 1: So if they went who were so first? Devin Lloyd? Second,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they go at Ingram. Maybe they

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Speaker 1: go and take because they need available because Fortner I

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Speaker 1: know they've viewed as center. Oh but I mean theoretically

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Speaker 1: viewed Zion as a center too. But they viewed Dianas

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Speaker 1: could play guard regularly. Fortner was your center. Um, Ingram's

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Speaker 1: a good guess, Ingram. And then they're at eighty eight. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's a good question. Some sort of receiver at that point,

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Speaker 1: probably who went a few picks after that. David Bell

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Speaker 1: I'm Carlton, did that man? No favorite? If you guys,

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Speaker 1: may guys, may you imagine people's reaction if they wait

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Speaker 1: till eighty eight to get a receiver and it's a

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Speaker 1: It's possible. I just Tolbert wasn't there. He might have

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Speaker 1: know where I could see they go. They go, uh,

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Speaker 1: well maybe um as Ukama, maybe um Lloyd, let's say

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Speaker 1: Lloyd Ingram, Michael Clemens, Texas. How would you feel about that?

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Speaker 1: I think not as good. I think I feel better

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Speaker 1: about what they got. Yeah, could you throw maybe Sean

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Speaker 1: Ryan into that into that mix? In the third round?

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00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: He went, I didn't. I mean, they could have been interested.

639
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: I didn't hear a ton like of them tied to him.

640
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: But I could have he had guard tackle flexibility. They

641
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: probably would have taken Dave's guy, Rashod White, running back

642
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: from Arizona State. I would see, what's funny, is Zachary

643
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: Carter Brian's dude, Brian's guy. Yeah, Rashad White's my guy.

644
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: But if the Cowboys had spent a third round pick

645
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: on him, I might have I would have needed a minute.

646
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: The more I look at they might Honestly, they might

647
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: go ought in there. Oh yeah, that's points at eighty

648
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: eight because they were considering trading up for him at one,

649
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: one o six. So yeah, if they were wiped on

650
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: the receivers, they'd probably go out. I think we figured

651
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: it out pretty well then. Yeah, good, really good question.

652
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: I love stuff like that. Zach wants to know if

653
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: you think they have any free agency moves in them

654
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: now that the draft is over. I mean some of

655
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: the stuff we were talking about swing tackles and stuff

656
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: like that. Jerry said, Nope, not getting one now. So

657
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: I guess we'll just surprise you at all, just because

658
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: a little bit. You're putting a lot of faith in

659
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: two guys that have never played in the NFL, Josh

660
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: Ball and um. Well, but they need to play. But

661
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: you're but I mean, yeah, you drafted them, and you're

662
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: putting a lot of faith. I think you're also saying,

663
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: Matt will let's go. Like for some reason, his name,

664
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm like you with this guy, like his name is

665
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: like a mental block for me. Let's go, let's go,

666
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. Yeah, I keep thinking of the

667
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: Cartel song Let's Go. I think honestly that I think

668
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: I think to be to be honest with you, I

669
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: think you need ball to be the swing and I

670
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: think Let's Go needs to be the red shirt guy,

671
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I mean that's what's but Ball's

672
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: played just as many snaps in the regular season as

673
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: Let's go. But that goes, that goes. Did they have

674
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: Let's Go great a higher than ball was last year?

675
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: I think they did. Okay. Well, then, let you know,

676
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna see some competition there for sure. But I'd

677
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: like to see some competition at right tackle. To be

678
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: honest with you, I would do you know, I don't.

679
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd like to see Terrence Steele pushed a

680
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: little bit. If one of these guys is better than Steele,

681
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's go there. I mean I think

682
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: they feel like they had their coups. I think they

683
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: felt like they had their competition at right tackle last year.

684
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's why Terrence steals the guy. Now, Yeah,

685
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: I mean, but like I said, it goes back not

686
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: only not only talking about the development of Smith, but

687
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: how about a ball you know, how about how about

688
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: some of these other guys, how about Farniac, how about

689
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's not just about Smith, even though Smith

690
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: is your start, but how about McGovern. I mean, how

691
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: about development. If they've got so many as these young guys,

692
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: who's going to step up Either if none of those

693
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: guys step up at all, either either they don't know

694
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: what the hell they're doing drafting offensive lineman or they

695
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: need to get a new offensive line coach. How over

696
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: the last four years, I think this is a great

697
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: point offensive line. And I'm not trying to kill Philbin.

698
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, there, if you know, if

699
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: running game Moses here, Bill Callahan's here or something like that,

700
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: that we kind of seem like, you know, I mean,

701
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: maybe you feel a little bit better about the development.

702
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: The only guy is Tyler Beotist that's had significant and

703
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: playing time out if anybody they've added. Maybe Terrence Steel

704
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: is one exception there. And even they didn't even draft

705
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: the guy, they waited until an undrafted free agency period

706
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: to sign him. So I agree with you. I think

707
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: the pressure is on this offensive staff to start developed

708
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: developing these offensive line guys. It's been so neglected for

709
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: so long. Now you got to figure it out. You've

710
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: got pressure put either they're really poor drafting offensive linemen

711
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: or they need to go a different direction of how

712
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: they develop. That's that's that's the that's gonna be the

713
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: what you you're gonna learn this this year. It's gonna

714
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: be interesting too, because everybody from the top down. McCarthy

715
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: said it at owner's meetings, Jerry and Stephen have said

716
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: it in the press conferences, and Joe told us when

717
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: he was on with us, like Farniac and Ball, they're

718
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: just they're working, work, work. That's great. But so now

719
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: you're raising my expectations, Like if y'all shat up about

720
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: what they're doing, then I want to see it on

721
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: the field. Wise, you're full of crowd now. And I

722
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: think that they saw what this defensive coaching staff did

723
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: at all three levels of the defense, like not just

724
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: with bringing young players along, but getting veterans like Curse,

725
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, Curse who come in here and have career

726
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: years that they've never had in the NFL. And I

727
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: think they saw that and thought, Okay, we need to

728
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: start seeing the same sort of development ability from the

729
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: offensive offensive side. So to say we're not bringing in

730
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: a swing tackles because we've invested the capital over there

731
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: and now the coaches need to make it work. I

732
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: like that. I like that, Eric says, you know, obviously

733
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith and Jalen Tolbert are both Group of five prospects.

734
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: They draft an FCS prospect in Matt will Let's go,

735
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: is this just the board falling that way or are

736
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: we seeing a change in philosophy and the type of

737
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: players they're willing to look at. Sam Williams also transferred.

738
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: He was like a community college guy too, so he

739
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: ended at Old Miss, but I mean he started his

740
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: career like he would have had the same trajectory that Tyler.

741
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: I know whatever, I know why, but I'm just saying,

742
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: didn't you ask Will that question one time? And he

743
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: kind of laughed, Yeah, Well, I mean Will always gives me. Yeah,

744
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: he's given me crap before He's like, why do you

745
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: think that? And I'm like, you know, rolling out my

746
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: scroll of Cowboys picks, like, uh, this is why. But

747
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: it's hard, Like it gets hard. I mean they've been

748
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: willing to do it. On day three. Reggie Robinson, Ben Denucci,

749
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: I know some guys are, I mean Tony Pollard technically

750
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: memphisis and Power five, But to use premium picks on

751
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: it a first rounder at that, I mean that is

752
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of a departure. Who have they been

753
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: interested in? Like, like, who can we even think of

754
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: people they've been tied to at the first round pick?

755
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: That was like that Layton also, I guess, but I

756
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: don't like boys. It's like it's like I was, I

757
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: was told by somebody here. I was like, people gotta

758
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: stop talking about Boise and North Dakota State as like smaller,

759
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: Like I've touched something there, Like North Dakota State's turned

760
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: out three NFL quarterbacks in a row. You guys, that's

761
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 1: a real program, right, Okay exactly? So like for them

762
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: to yeah, I can't. I can't think of anybody that's

763
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: been tied to them. The first round picks are Ohio State,

764
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: Penn state SEC schools like this is a little bit

765
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: of a departure from what we've seen. Is it more

766
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: of an indictment on the draft class or the way

767
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: that they they viewed the depth of the draft class,

768
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: because like we talked about, there's so much of a

769
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: jumbled mix and there's no general consensus on these prospects.

770
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: I will I think, I think that you're onto something.

771
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: But I will also say this, every time I saw

772
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: a guy like we mentioned wattson the wide receiver, you know,

773
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: kids from Tampa, Well, let's go, I'm looking at him.

774
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm going why is he not playing at per Due?

775
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: Why is he not playing at Indiana? Why is he

776
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: not playing at one of these other schools. I think

777
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: what happens is you talk about drafting some of these kids.

778
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: I think these college recruiters miss on some of these

779
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: guys and they end up at Talbert, ends up at

780
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: South Alabama instead of playing at Tennessee or Vanderbilt or

781
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: one of those places. Tolbert I think even was another

782
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: one who had an opportunity to transferring didn't see That's

783
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, he chose not, And it's

784
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: going to get worse because what happens with his transfer.

785
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: Poor thing. These these programs are not going to recruit.

786
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: They're just gonna take kids from these schools. You know,

787
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: they're not going to even have to recruit anymore. Really,

788
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: the really good programs aren't. One thing I've heard from

789
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: athletic departments across the country is that they're going to

790
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: have to rerecruit every kid they've ever signed every year.

791
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's going to be the case. It's

792
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: going to have an effect on the NFL draft, if anything,

793
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: it already has. I mean, I think they liked I

794
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: think they also liked Penning. Like I think there's a

795
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: scenario where Penning could have been the pick for them,

796
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: and so it's like, you know, there's they've they were

797
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: not really and Stephen kind of laid the groundwork for

798
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: that in the pre JAFT press conference where somebody asked

799
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: him about some small school guys and he's like, I

800
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: think that's just coincident. We we don't have any hard

801
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: and fast rule. We've had plenty of interesting it. So,

802
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: but I also think that these kids that they're drafting

803
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: did some college programs probably missed. And you guys mentioned

804
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: that these guys if they could Tolbert Smith, they could

805
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: have gone to other schools. Definitely. You know, these kids

806
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: probably should have been playing it. You know, Smith should

807
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: probably been playing at Oklahoma State or something like that.

808
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: You know, I'm should have been playing at TCU. That

809
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: was his hometown. That I'm saying. It's been a big

810
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: in a Big twelve program. I will remember for a

811
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: long time that Christian Watson grew up in Tampa, had

812
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: to go to South Dako or sar excuse North Dakotota. Yeah,

813
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: even first see that's I'm saying. And you wonder why, Okay,

814
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: where was We're central Florida. I mean they they're in

815
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: that same you know thing with Cincinnati and SMU and

816
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: all those people, and that that happens every somebody. Penning

817
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: was a zero star recruit. Josh Allen the quarterback few

818
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: years back, he was a zero star recruit. So I mean,

819
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 1: it happens. And Houston's in that conversation too, like there's

820
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: some good programs in that man. And I wonder if

821
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: even though the medical appears to be clear now, I

822
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: wonder if also some colleges were scared off by the

823
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: whole knee issue with Tyler Smith Oh, that may have

824
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: been more of a question at the time he was

825
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: getting recruited. Yeah, that's probably gone under discussed because, like

826
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: because there's just so much debate about the pick of

827
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: Like this guy was a bow legged like five years ago.

828
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: That's wild. Yeah, um, got plenty of time to get

829
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: into that. He will be here for four or five years. Um.

830
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: I don't think any of this is finalized. But the Cowboys,

831
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen all the names of the undrafted guys.

832
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: There's about twenty of them, and just a lot of

833
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: people have asked if you have any intriguing names, names

834
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: that jump out to you, Uh, you know, just that

835
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: sort of thing, guys that you want to see get

836
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 1: out here. Karate jazz. Your guy Stewart here, Isaac Taylor Stewart,

837
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: the guy who is a US degree taekwondo black belt

838
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: or some saxophone. No, he's he's just obsessed with jazz music.

839
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: He meditates all the time, like he's he's just a

840
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: different West personality, West Coast guy. That's my kind of guy.

841
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: And traits like I mean, there's these they talked about.

842
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: We heard it from I think everybody who came in

843
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: here when they're talking about players, they talked about the height,

844
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: weight speed parameters, like he fits the height weight speed parameter.

845
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: He's fast, he's long, he's got good six and I like, personally,

846
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: I know everybody else like hated the guy apparently. I

847
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: mean he went on drawing, but I mean I thought

848
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: like he had natural instincts. He had you know, he

849
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: could turn his hips. He could. I mean, he was

850
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: an impressive player. I gave him a one three six. Yeah,

851
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the draft that did, and then he

852
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: reversed it went one sixty three. No, I had to

853
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: pull the Jim Garrett on you there. I'll say this

854
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: note I had, I had him in the stack. I

855
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: had Taylor Stewart at one seventy seven of one ninety.

856
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: I had Malik Davis the running back at one eighty eight.

857
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: I had Alec Lynstrom the center guard from Boston College

858
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: at one eighty one. And James Impy. I think that's

859
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: a same Boston College. He's a center guard. I had

860
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: him at b YU at one ninety one. So, I

861
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: mean of the of the smart they talk about MP

862
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: being really really smart. Of those guys I had, that's

863
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: that's kind of where I had my guys he's like

864
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: twenty five or twenty six. Yeah. Yeah, you get a

865
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: lot of the older b YU players. Hey, but you're

866
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: probably I mean twenty five. Tyler Smith just turned twenty one.

867
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: This guy's twenty five. I mean, think of the growing

868
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: you do in those in the five years. He's really

869
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: impressive with whiteboard work. Apparently people think he's really smart.

870
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: I'd like to mention do Ontario drumming from Old miss

871
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: as the wide receiver as maybe I didn't see him. Yeah,

872
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: like a guy who could play special teams. He has

873
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: some some decent ability. He's just not fat. It's the

874
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: forty that's really you gotta you gotta kind of six five.

875
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: You got a thing for the slower receivers. Huh, you're

876
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: a David Bell guy. I wouldn't have. Okay, let's not

877
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: get twisted. I wasn't a big gap. You love Noah

878
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: Brown coming out, that's my guy. Watched He watched Mia

879
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: Brown play against Oklahoma like his game of the game

880
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: of the year. Take him the first round. Crazy. I

881
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: also like try fry fogel, fry fogel. Goodness gracious, and

882
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: that is that's a handful. Yeah, Indiana, he was like

883
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: really big couple years ago when Dana was winning. No,

884
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: he's a white wide receiver. Okay, yeah, he wore number

885
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: three for Indiana and uh he was one of the

886
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: like big targets, big receivers and then like whenever they

887
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: lost their quarterback, his just stock tanked anything. I think

888
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: Aaron Hansford makes this team linebacker. They will have a

889
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: couple of guys line Yeah, just pencil and linebacker is

890
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: the easiest spot. I think they're thin, and they're thin

891
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 1: in the depth part. Yeah, and that that's special team's

892
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: character gift. We always had some sance about time if

893
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: you wanted to upgrade those spots. Was it size that

894
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: knocked Lindstrom? So, I mean I think every analyst that

895
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: I look six three two ninety five. So he's a

896
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: little undersized. Chris Lindstrom's brother. Really, there's another one of those.

897
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: Here's none of those left handed snappers. By the way,

898
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: he comes from family though of football player. Everybody that

899
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: I follows had somewhere between a fourth and a sixth

900
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: on him. So to get him undrafted, I'm intrigued and

901
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: and empy as well. Well, see that's I'm scene. I

902
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: have a feeling I have a feeling that the A

903
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: C corner some of those guys. I guarantee if you

904
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: ask Will about this or anybody in the scoun department,

905
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: they'll tell you that's the first place they go when

906
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: it comes to trying to get their free agents. Now,

907
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: they were in an unusual situation where they had to wait,

908
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: like the draft. That draft was still going when they

909
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: were done. Yeah you know. So now they're trying to

910
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: recruit kids while the drafts still going on. And some

911
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: kid picks up the phone like, oh the Cowboys, No,

912
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: we're here recruiting it. Oh, you're not here drafting me.

913
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: We used all of our picks, but we really love

914
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: you even though we just to their credit, they got

915
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: some guys. I mean, I mean, I know they picked

916
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: off four guys off my draft board that I know.

917
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: I just I'm such a cynic, like, oh no, if

918
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: somebody called me and when they were like, god, we

919
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: love you so much, we'd love to get you down here,

920
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: I would just be like Tony Romo, eddie with it. Now,

921
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: I will say, out of my top thirty interior offensive

922
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: lineman thirty, I had three guys undrafted. One was Donovan

923
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: West out of Arizona State, who we talked about. The

924
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: other two were Alec winst him and James mp So.

925
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: I like what they did from off the line standpoint

926
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: a lot. It reminds me, and I think we brought

927
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: it up there in the draft coverage. It reminds me

928
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: of them getting Brandon Knight and Mitch Hyatt in the

929
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: same undrafted class, which, well, you can joke all you want.

930
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: I mean they got useful snaps out of Brandon Knight

931
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: for like two years. Oh yeah, we'll see. This is

932
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: interesting because, like I said, I was retreading my note

933
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: about I was just reading my notes about Lyndstrom, you know,

934
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: and because I was saying he was a left handed

935
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: center and you don't see many of those guys, but

936
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: he's got the He doesn't have the sides like of

937
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: a Creed Humphrey who was a left handed sit and

938
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: can't see he has, but the footwork and the athletic

939
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: ability of just staying with this guy and stuff like that.

940
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: And I think this guy, when he hooks up on people,

941
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: he can sustain. Yeah, that's the one thing that I

942
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: really really like. I mean, he's not gonna you know,

943
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: he's not gonna get a lot of push. But you know,

944
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: there were several snaps that said in the in the

945
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: in the Clemson game that I watched, where they put

946
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: a nose right on top of him and he was

947
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: able to handle that. So I was encouraged by that.

948
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: I thought there was a lot of positives to his game.

949
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: You know, Jerry talk about, oh, don't give me a

950
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: guy that gets rocked back, pushed back and all that.

951
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: I didn't see this guy being that type of guy

952
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: for only being sixty three, two ninety six. Any kicker

953
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: takes John Fossil got his guy with Jonathan Garabay. You

954
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: know all about this guy, right, I don't know. I

955
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: don't think about this. I thought this. I thought this

956
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: was the guy you were. This is not my guy,

957
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: the tech kicker. But everybody I talked, sixty two yarder

958
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: to Iowa State or something boomed one in from sixty

959
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: two and he was I think he went fifteen to sixteen. Hey, Brett,

960
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: he went. He went twenty five to twenty seven for

961
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: his career and fifteen of sixteen as a senior. Brett

962
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: Maher made a sixty yarder at the end of the

963
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: preseason to win a job. So yeah, I mean, unless

964
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: they signed somebody else, it's between him and the guy

965
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: they already had. Nagar I think as his the SMU

966
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: kicker who has taken it. He has attempted one NFL

967
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: field goal, I believe when he was briefly with the Jets.

968
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: So I mean not much in the way of Jeff Heath.

969
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: I mean kicking at this point. For kicking he might

970
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: have shot. He might. I mean I feel like kickers

971
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: had to have been lining up to sign here because

972
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: this is just an obvious chance to win a job.

973
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: A few that got released. I wonder if they'd look

974
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: at any of those veterans that got released after the drift,

975
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: just just as like training camp would like. I would

976
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: like to think so, because again, like even what how

977
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: do you pronounce it? Kyle, I thought that's what I said.

978
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: I think you said something different. Whatever Garabee. They say

979
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: Garabe all day is what's something like A would like

980
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: I would like to he was automatic on pas. Oh, yeah,

981
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: he missed two in two years, so he's yeah, which

982
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: fifty nine or forty nine fifty this year? Yeah, I

983
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: would still like to think they bring in a guy

984
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: who's kicked in the NFL. I don't know one combined

985
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,520
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986
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1055
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: Bobby is Bobby's got like three kids and he's just

1056
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: reckless with his money. Yeah, he's like go on the

1057
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: radio and say sixty nine. It'll be funny. I called

1058
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: j nine goys like literally every Sunday I get a text.

1059
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: He's like work in like work in a way that

1060
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: this guy. It was just for a pregame show. Yes,

1061
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: you're such a sure. This is why he called Dak

1062
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: Dakie Pete. Yeah. It's like he's like call him Dakie

1063
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: Pete and there's one hundred dollars in it for you.

1064
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like, if you're just gonna get to do

1065
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: it twice, if you're just giving it away, I'll do it.

1066
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: I was wondering, why what is he doing making money?

1067
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: You would have aciate that making some money. That's awesome.

1068
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: We got ten minutes left in this You and r

1069
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: are just puzzled, literally no, literally, just making quizzical faces

1070
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: at me, like what is he doing? I'm like, Bobby's

1071
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: over there, just like not even saying a word. Planet

1072
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: When we get off the air, I just I wanna,

1073
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: I wanna. I want to get right down to it,

1074
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: because I think this is this is something that a

1075
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: lot of people are wondering about coming out of this draft.

1076
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: The Cowboys lost a lot of talent and free agency

1077
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: from a team that won twelve games, put a lot

1078
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: of emphasis on this draft, and so, I mean, there

1079
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: are varying opinions about the draft, but at the end

1080
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: of the day, I just think the question is is

1081
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: this team better right now than the one that got

1082
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: knocked out of the playoffs in the first round And Obviously,

1083
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: we don't one hundred percent know the answer to that.

1084
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: We the guys aren't even in the building yet. We

1085
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: got OTAs and a whole training camp and everything. I

1086
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: don't think anybody thought much of, not didn't think much of,

1087
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 1: but nobody thought Michael Parsons was going to be defensive

1088
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year. But even still, I'll give you

1089
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: some leeway to be wrong. But just what is your

1090
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: gut opinion about that? Right now? The talent is not better,

1091
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: I don't think you can say, but is the is

1092
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: the culture or the personalities? Are the are the play

1093
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: styles and things like that, all the things that going

1094
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: to It's the old Scott Poli line of it's not

1095
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: the best fifty three players, it's the right fifty three players.

1096
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: Like are these the right guys? That's what remains to

1097
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: be seen because they clearly were deficient, and like we

1098
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: talked about the toughness, the attitude, I think they felt

1099
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: like at times they were missing leadership in certain position,

1100
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: groups and things like that. Do they have that now?

1101
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: Has that been remedied or are you building a culture

1102
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: more of the culture that you want? And if that's

1103
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: the case, then they could be better. But I mean

1104
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: that that just remains to be seen. We can't know

1105
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: that until we start seeing them. You know, worked it.

1106
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: It was evident inside of two weeks who Michael Parsons was. Yeah,

1107
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: and so I think we'll know pretty quick who some

1108
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: of these guys are. And even that's a rare case.

1109
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: Usually if you're a rookie, if you're a leader as

1110
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: a rookie, then you're a Micah Parsons, And he's as

1111
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 1: rare as anybody in a first year in NFL role

1112
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: that has ever played the game. Then you turn around

1113
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: most of these guys, if they're going to be quote

1114
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: unquote leaders in that locker room, it would be two, three,

1115
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: four years down the road. But right now, just based

1116
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: off of the personalities and the guys that they've drafted,

1117
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: I'm right there with Bobby. I do not think they're

1118
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: better from a talent standpoint. Sure there's room for improvement

1119
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: in a couple of areas, especially offensive line. Tyler Smith

1120
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: could come in and be a better offensive guard than

1121
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: Connor Williams was last year. There's a potential for that,

1122
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: isn't the expectation? Maybe not, he would hope it is,

1123
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: but maybe it won't happen. But from a toughness standpoint,

1124
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: I think they are tougher than they were whenever they

1125
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: concluded the year in the wild card round. Yeah, I

1126
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: think to me, because I was just going through, just

1127
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: looking at the schedule and and you better be better.

1128
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: You better because it looked eay for like two weeks

1129
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: you were like like we got this Tennessee, Tennessee, Green Bay, Cincinnati, Tampa, Indie.

1130
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: Plus you know what you got to deal with with

1131
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: your own schedule and stuff like I mean, with your

1132
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: own division. Um, this the whole, the whole thing. To me,

1133
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: the key of this is going to be the quarterback.

1134
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: You know, is the team going to be better because

1135
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: of the quarterback? Are they going to find ways to

1136
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: help him? Are they? You know, as this left guard,

1137
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: if we don't have a revolving door at left guard,

1138
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: what's going to happen at right tackle? Are the receivers?

1139
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: You know you've you've lost you know, you lost a

1140
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: pretty big piece there at receiver. You know, are they

1141
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: going to be able to step in replace that? You

1142
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: know what they lost? Defensively? I think that to me,

1143
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: I trust what's going to happen on defense? Last year,

1144
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: it's taking Oh, this offense, if the defense could just

1145
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: be top fifteen. You know, I trust what's going to

1146
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: happen on this defense, I really do. I trust the

1147
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: coaching staff, I trust the players. I think that'll be fine.

1148
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: I do worry about Kellen Moore. I do worry about

1149
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I do worry about the Joe Philbin. Then

1150
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: the offensive line. You know, can they can't? You know,

1151
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: if they don't, if they don't run the ball, or

1152
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: they don't show better balance, you know this this team

1153
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: could be in trouble playing against the teams I mentioned,

1154
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: the Tennessee's, the Green Bay's, the Rams, Cincinnati, Tampa. There

1155
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: could be a lot of those games where all of

1156
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, it's you know, they're they're they're

1157
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: looking at the wrong end of that. If I'm a

1158
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: cowboy fan that wants to put on the rosy glasses

1159
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you you took the words right out

1160
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: of my mouth, what can Tyler Smith help you with? Hopefully? Yeah?

1161
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: Right away? Yeah? Running the ball, yep, Like that's what

1162
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: he was great at in college. He's six five, three

1163
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds him. Zach Martin probably Tyler beotis like,

1164
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: if he can upgrade your run game and get it

1165
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: back to a level where a better balance, Yeah, yeah,

1166
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: if you run, if it's a given that you're going

1167
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: to run for one hundred and thirty two one hundred

1168
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: and sixty yards a game, this team can be very,

1169
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: very successful. That's when they were for they were for

1170
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: eight weeks. That's when they were at their best. Like,

1171
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: I look, nobody loves winging the ball around the yard

1172
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: more than me, But this team is at its best

1173
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: when they can impose their will in the ground on

1174
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: the ground, and that's I'm sure that's a big part

1175
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: of why they like this guy. If you look at

1176
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: this team and I'm gonna ask this question, and I

1177
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: know that you'll you'll argue with me on this, but

1178
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: I just was curious. Is the quarterback just who he is?

1179
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: Or is there room for the quarterback to continue? When

1180
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: you say who he is? Well, well, who he is? Like,

1181
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: is he played at an MVP level before? For halfway

1182
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: for halfway through his season? I would argue, like, if

1183
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: you can do okay, okay, is he okaygically forget how

1184
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: to do that? Okay? But they did for eight weeks. No,

1185
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: I think I think you talked about there was an

1186
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: injury there, there was an injury to the running back,

1187
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: the offensive line story, everything was falling apart at once,

1188
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: and then nobody could the play caller was in the

1189
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: best could be the head coach in Steven see to me. Okay,

1190
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: if that's the case. Again, I asked that question because

1191
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: if you do believe that, you know, this team should

1192
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: be fine if you because I think it's going to

1193
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: go through him, I really do. I think how he

1194
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: plays is going to because like say, is he going

1195
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: to be able in year seven lift the players around.

1196
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm still honestly waiting for Ceedee Lamb to be what

1197
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: I thought. Now maybe I was dead wrong about Ceedee

1198
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: Lamb as a player, but I'm kind of waiting for that.

1199
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm kind of waiting for what we're seeing at Minnesota,

1200
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: what we're seeing at Cincinnati, what we're seeing at some

1201
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: of these other places. But if Ceedee Lamb is just

1202
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: maybe Ceedee Lamb is who he is, you know, I

1203
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: think I think the maybe Dak is always going to

1204
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: be what he's going to be. Conversation has been had

1205
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: every single year that he's been in the league. But

1206
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: every single year it's been wrong because every single year

1207
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: he elevates. Now, last year, in the second half of

1208
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: the season, he went down. But in twenty eighteen, especially

1209
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: the second half of twenty eighteen, he played it away

1210
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: that everybody said in twenty seventeen he wasn't capable of.

1211
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: Then they said, well, that's kind of it, and that's

1212
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: who he is. And then twenty nineteen he stepped in

1213
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: and he played it. And so consistently we asked this

1214
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: question every year, and every year it's been no, he's

1215
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: better than that. And so I feel like again the

1216
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: answer will be no, he's better than that. Kenny elevate

1217
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: others games. That's what I'm gonna ask you. The only

1218
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: the only example we have is he definitively a guy

1219
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: who people want to compare him to. Now as is

1220
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: he better than this guy is Derek Carr. He made

1221
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper better than Derek Carr did, Yeah, And so

1222
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean we saw it there. Now made Dalton Scholtz better,

1223
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: Maybe made Dalton Scholtz a ton of money. Yeah. And

1224
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: you at the beginning of this draft process, you said

1225
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: that you didn't want to deal with anything in terms

1226
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: of the draft plan unless it helped the quarterback. Right.

1227
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: Do you think that they helped their quarterback in this

1228
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: regard well by adding by not having a revolving door

1229
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: left guard potentially, Yes, yeah, I do helps, and Tilbert

1230
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: helps too, I agree with that. And the thing about

1231
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: it is, though me personally, I'm kind of wondering about

1232
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 1: Like I said, I mentioned Ceedee Lamb and stuff like that,

1233
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: they need, they need some of those. They need Ceedee

1234
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: Lamb to step up. If it's Ceedee Lamb or the

1235
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: quarterback or the OC or the head somebody needs to

1236
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: get his game going to the point where we're comparing

1237
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: him to some of the top receivers in this league.

1238
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: I've been workshop in this theory for a while now,

1239
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,439
Speaker 1: and nothing they did this weekend did anything to change

1240
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: in my mind. I think privately, between the quarterback, the

1241
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: overall roster, and the weakness of their division, I think

1242
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: the Cowboys think they're good enough to compete and be

1243
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: in the playoffs and be in that conversation without doing

1244
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: anything crazy this year. And that's what like the vibe

1245
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: I get from this draft is like, Yeah, we feel

1246
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: good about it. This guy can start, this guy can

1247
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: do that. But they'll really start hitting their stride in

1248
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: the future. I mean, they consider Tyler Smith a tackle

1249
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: in the future, and we know he's not going to

1250
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: do that right now unless some Tyran gets hurt. And

1251
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: so already you're thinking like, Okay, this is about the

1252
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: big picture, and I just think they're in their mind.

1253
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,959
Speaker 1: I think they will be much better in twenty three

1254
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: and twenty four than they are this year. And I

1255
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: think this is a team that's good enough to win

1256
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: the East in twenty twenty two, but probably not what

1257
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: you would call among like the league's true contenders. And

1258
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: I think in order for them to, you know, if

1259
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna be what they're gonna be in twenty three

1260
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: and twenty four, if certain people want to be here

1261
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: in twenty three and twenty four, along with that, they

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Speaker 1: need to show it in twenty two. Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: See that's the thing. They're not going to say any

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Speaker 1: of this stuff public, no, but that is what I

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Speaker 1: think they Well, okay, but if that's the case, then

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Speaker 1: you're taking a step back because it's the news when

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Speaker 1: I'm playing, and it could be like, well, hey, we

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Speaker 1: don't think any of these guys you drafted the last

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Speaker 1: three years can play. As I've said, I think people

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Speaker 1: internally that last month of the season, when we are

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Speaker 1: not as close as we thought, we were sure, and

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Speaker 1: I think it was a bit of a rude awakening

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Speaker 1: and they went, Okay, we got to renovate a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all that's left to do now is wait and see.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were having tepid conversations about Mica at

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Speaker 1: this point last year, and to Bobby's point, it took

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Speaker 1: about four OTA practices before I was like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: no again, that's dan Quinn. Yeah, that's dan Quinn and

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Speaker 1: the staff kind of figuring out. And it took a

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Speaker 1: really a big injury to one of your better players

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Speaker 1: for them to say we got to play this guy

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Speaker 1: defensive in Yeah, I mean Mike has entered No, absolutely, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: The main point is that we'll wait and see. We'll

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Speaker 1: be right about some things, we'll be wrong about some things.

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Speaker 1: That's the way this goes, guys. That wraps up the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two draft season. Um, it's better. Sweet. It

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Speaker 1: was a lot of work, but I really enjoy working

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Speaker 1: with y'all. I'm glad we did it. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: pinch hitting. Pinch hit with the best of them, like East.

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Speaker 1: He came on in the ninth with guys on the

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Speaker 1: corners and got a double. That's all we needed from you.

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Speaker 1: He did a great job. I really appreciate it. Love

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Speaker 1: working with you guys, really appreciate everybody that listened. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll see. We'll be back in January or

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Speaker 1: maybe February, who the hell knows, But for Bobby, Bryan, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: I'm Dave. Thank you so much for listening. This has

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