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Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it punt? Is it put? Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: it's put. DeAndre Hopkins he put it for dockdown. You've

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Speaker 1: Problem solved, up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces? All that was nasty right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker Like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul Calvc. You know if you guys

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Speaker 1: we're good teammates. Well let me say this, if you

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Speaker 1: guys were better teammates, you know what you would do,

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban you would save me from myself. That's what

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Speaker 1: you would do. At this time a week ago, what

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Speaker 1: did I do? I ripped Aaron Rodgers and I had

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Speaker 1: a couple of ripped jobs. One was about his back,

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Speaker 1: the back injury suffered at the team hotel on the road.

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Speaker 1: Just to prove once again, yet again, that karma is

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Speaker 1: very real, extremely real. Thirty six hours after said podcast

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Speaker 1: was posted by producer Jim Almajundro, what did I do?

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Speaker 1: I threw out my back? Still not totally one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent over here, sort of working through it. Maybe questionable

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Speaker 1: for the sideline on Sunday at the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 1: Where did you throw it out? It because you stayed

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Speaker 1: a hotel bed. No, it was absolutely nothing. It was

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Speaker 1: and oh that's a grabber that got me right there.

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Speaker 1: Old guy problems and so boom. But no, actually it

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Speaker 1: was the karma of it all. Speaking of injuries, by

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Speaker 1: the way, Flip a Corral Junior, what is his status?

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Speaker 1: It just it's an illness, a non COVID illness. Although

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Speaker 1: it was funny you just said when you guys, you guys,

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Speaker 1: you guys, And I'm thinking, who are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: I'm just one person almost is in the room right now,

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Speaker 1: but he's not gonna be here long, guys, it's not

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Speaker 1: a veteran's day off. I mean, for all the crap

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Speaker 1: that we get flipped from phelipe A over here for

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Speaker 1: being the old heads. In the word of Kelvin Beecham,

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Speaker 1: I don't see us taking a veteran's day off. He

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Speaker 1: is ill and unfortunately in this day and time. The

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Speaker 1: first thought was, oh, better get tested for COVID, which

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Speaker 1: he did, Oh COVID, but ill enough that he's gonna

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Speaker 1: He stayed home a couple of days. So the other

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Speaker 1: bad I hope your back is okay carrying this podcast

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Speaker 1: the ball, I mean I got an appointment with the

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Speaker 1: chiropractor at the at the end there, you're right. I

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Speaker 1: mean I should have the old school white belt and

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Speaker 1: zubazon right now to get ready for a deadlift. You're

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Speaker 1: right around here with this saying. The other bad karma moment,

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Speaker 1: I think if you were scoring at home on the

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Speaker 1: saying on the pregame show that if Aaron Rodgers owns

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Speaker 1: the Bears, what was the quote in the end zone,

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Speaker 1: I own you. I still own you. I think you're

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Speaker 1: forgetting a word we said that, guess wading games that

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Speaker 1: matter between the Cardinals and Packers, the Arizona Cardinals definitely

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Speaker 1: possessed the title. Indeed, Daron Rodgers and that blew up

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Speaker 1: in our face on Thursday Night Football, did it not?

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Speaker 1: Is Aaron Rodgers got a meaningful win for once against

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals and now leave them tied with the

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Speaker 1: Cards at seven and one. And in the latest power

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Speaker 1: pole that Ada saw, Packers are number one, Rams are

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Speaker 1: number two, Arizona Cardinals number three. That's your first problem

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Speaker 1: is looking at the power poles ball. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know you've had your eye on the trade deadline, is

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Speaker 1: what you know? Trade deadline? Trade deadline was came and went.

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Speaker 1: Of course, zach Ertz being traded for That's that's kind

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Speaker 1: of vibe that Steve Kimo that the Cardinals had their trade.

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Speaker 1: Rams front office told the Morning crew an NFL Network said,

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Speaker 1: that is their attitude right now. Okay, so wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: So we're living for tomorrow and tomorrow only more than

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Speaker 1: the draft that they've punted, yeah, they've they've gotten rid

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Speaker 1: second and the third for eight games? Nine games? Well,

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Speaker 1: they're living for the moment, is what they're doing right now.

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Speaker 1: In fact, you know what their plan is in LA

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Speaker 1: want home field advantage. They want to roll right from

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Speaker 1: I want to raise to Paul, I mean things, that's

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Speaker 1: the Rams plan right now. Of course it is well,

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Speaker 1: but the Cardinals plan is to win all the rest

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Speaker 1: You know what if you want to trade the unknown

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Speaker 1: That's what that basically was the trade. So you're saying,

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Speaker 1: that what you were saying. You're saying the Cardinals two

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Speaker 1: out to the very end. That's that's not what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: I think the von Miller move was good. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think it changes that much. Now are the

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Speaker 1: Four backup quarterbacks got to win in Week eight at

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Speaker 1: see how I'm assuming Kyler speaks normally this week in

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Speaker 1: and I think the Cardinals were missing some key people too.

428
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: Not having DeAndre Hopkins out there all the time, I

429
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: think means something. I think not having JJ Watt meant something.

430
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 1: And yet there they were at the end with that chance.

431
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: And I gotta be honest, you know the way it

432
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: works for me, I try and have something quick about

433
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: the game to post as soon as the game ends.

434
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: I wrote I had written almost this entire story of

435
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 1: how the game was over after they scored the touchdown

436
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: right at the very end, and yet then they reviewed

437
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: that play. I still never saw the review of the

438
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: last Packers touchdown that was reversed because I was too

439
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 1: busy writing. And soon they were going to be in.

440
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, they said it was they weren't in,

441
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: So then I started kind of halfway watching, thinking they're

442
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: gonna get in at any second now. Then the Cardinals

443
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: somehow stop them. Then there's the two horrible plays right

444
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: before they passed to AJ Green, and I'm thinking they're

445
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: not even gonna get past their own ten. He finds

446
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: Aj Green, which, by the way, everybody's mad at Aj

447
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: Green at the end of that drive. But if it's

448
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: not for aj Green on that third down, they're in

449
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: drink duty, yep. And and then as they start marching down,

450
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, they're gonna win this or

451
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: at least go or at least going to overtime. Right Well,

452
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: and that was a scenario. Either you take your shot

453
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: Aj Green, he's between the defender and the football, so

454
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: at the very least it hits the turf, at the

455
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: very least he plays dB And if it's not a

456
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: completed pass and you kick the field goal and you

457
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: take your chance, and over time, so the incomprehensible occurs.

458
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: We all saw it, we all lived it. It It was

459
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: a Shakespearean tragedy. I wish we knew exactly what happened.

460
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Obviously a Cliff Kingsbury said he knows now, and he's

461
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: not saying and I get that. I understand that. Somebody

462
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: asked me the other day, with all due respect, you

463
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: know AJ Green did not has not spoken to the

464
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Speaker 1: media yet, and somebody asked me, like, you know, how

465
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: long will it be before you know? Nobody like how

466
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: how much? How much time could pass? And I'm thinking

467
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: for me, I think the question still gets asked to

468
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: aj Green even if he doesn't talk for an the month.

469
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: I mean, if I hope he talks sooner than that.

470
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: But people want to know. There are two different ways

471
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: to go about it. You can go about it as

472
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: Bruce arians used to and just be blunt. The b

473
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: NBA stood for blunt. He'd come out after the game

474
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: and he'd tell you who made the mental error. He

475
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: will I don't know if the players love that all night.

476
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: You know they didn't remember how many times he threw

477
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: David Johnson under the busy post game that he messed

478
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: up a round. We should they scored thirty five, We

479
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: should have had forty two. If David Johnson doesn't screw

480
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: this up, how many times did BA do that? So

481
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,479
Speaker 1: you can't tell me if that he did it with

482
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady in like week two or three a year ago,

483
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 1: and Tom Brady was on board, So you can't tell

484
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,479
Speaker 1: me if BA was a head coach that it wouldn't

485
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: have been Oh wead nobody, you know, and then boom,

486
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: it's a non story by Monday afternoon. Yeah, but that's

487
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Speaker 1: the truth as you get it out of the way,

488
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: and so, you know, I just sometimes don't wonder if

489
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Speaker 1: this is a good service to the player. Is this

490
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: in the best interest of aj Green? Now? Was it

491
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: his choice not to talk to the media, Because you're right,

492
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna feel the question at something whenever he talks

493
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Speaker 1: to the media. Next. We'll see, maybe it'll be after

494
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: the game with a touchdown this week. But Darren, when

495
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray says, and I called up the quote, we

496
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Speaker 1: feel that, oh no, this is Cliff Kingsbury. After the game,

497
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: we feel that it was a safe throw if he

498
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: knew the route to run, no question, it was the

499
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: right place to go. Just didn't communicate on some level

500
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: and the guy made a good play, meaning Rasul Douglas.

501
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: And when Kyler says, we weren't on the same page

502
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: and it cost us. Is there any other way, here's

503
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: the other one from Cliff Kingsbury. It wasn't the route

504
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: that we thought we had checked. And so we've got

505
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: to communicate better in those situations. So I'm taking it

506
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: as that is most definitely on the receiver in that situation.

507
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: And also I will share this based on the sideline

508
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: and the reaction. I couldn't hear anything. It was absolute chaos,

509
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: but you can visually see, just like sixty thousand other

510
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: people in that building could have seen that. Aj Green

511
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: came to the sideline palms up, like what what you know?

512
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: What's going on? He's looking around. Somebody gave me an explanation.

513
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: He got an explanation from some of the assistant coaches.

514
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: They gave him an earfull. So based on that and

515
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: then his reaction of slamming his helmet down, Kyla Murray

516
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: slammed his helmet down once he got off the turf

517
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: because he got rolled up on earlier and he was

518
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: still in pain. I don't know if he's more in

519
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: pain from the ankle or just the a guinea of defeat.

520
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: It's funny because I do he had a that happened

521
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: last year and I can't remember who it was against

522
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: where I felt like the same thing, like he was

523
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: down and we all everybody was worried, and it was

524
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: mostly because he was just ticked off. Yeah, but he's

525
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: done that before. You know, the anguish is such. But

526
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Speaker 1: so that's the way I'm reading it. Now. Do we

527
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: need aj Green to actually say it and confirm it? Perhaps?

528
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Speaker 1: And he will get asked to your point, I think

529
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Speaker 1: he will. I will say this once again, this is

530
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: just a visual. How many teams have you covered, Darren,

531
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: that if they went into the mini by after Thursday

532
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: night seven and one will be hey, we're all good man,

533
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: and it's a long season, seventeen games. What are you

534
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: got going? What are your plans, bro? What are your plans?

535
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: What are you got going for the weekend? That wasn't

536
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: this team? They were angry? Well, I've never covered a

537
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: seven and one team. Soon you wouldn't know they were.

538
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: They were legitimately torked off. In fact, I can tell

539
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: you it was about thirty minutes after the game had

540
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: ended and Paul pencil Neck had done with all the interviews,

541
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: wrapping up some of the gear, and there was an

542
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: audible bleep out of nowhere in that locker room. There

543
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: were guys a half hour after the game who still

544
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: had yet to shower, were really cheesed off. I like that.

545
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: I like that in the team where it matters where

546
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: these some of these regular season games aren't disposable. DJ

547
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: Hemphreys was brought he was one of the guys to

548
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: talk to the media and he's never short. And it's funny.

549
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: When I was listening at the time, it seemed a

550
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: lot more harsh. I went back and listened to it,

551
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: and I don't know if DJ can really doesn't have

552
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: really in him to be harsh. I went back and

553
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: and it it was short, but it wasn't like it

554
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: didn't have a complete nasty edge to it, like he

555
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: was mad at the world or mad at us for

556
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: asking questions. But it was short and he didn't want

557
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: to he didn't have a lot to talk about. And

558
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: he interrupted about three or four questions without letting people

559
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: really finish because he knew where it was going and

560
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: he didn't really have any interest, Like they asked about

561
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: the play and he's like, I don't know, I just blocked.

562
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: And that was that's when it really I mean, it's

563
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: one thing if Kyler is kind of sullen, that's kind

564
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: of who he is. When DJ Humphreys is hacked off

565
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: and short with the media, that's when you know, and

566
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I think I think this

567
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: stuff it does bode well, believe it or not, and

568
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: I honestly there's a possibility. I mean, they would have

569
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: been super excited to pull off that win, but I

570
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: can only imagine the quotes even if they had won,

571
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: about oh my god, we almost blew that. What was

572
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: wrong with us? That team was down all those people

573
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: and we should have beat him by more and we're

574
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: having to come down the last ten seconds. So I

575
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: think this team absolutely gets it. And going back to

576
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: what we were talking about before, I think that puts

577
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: him in a much better place if Colt McCoy asked

578
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: to play quarterback than another situation. I asked Cliff Kingsbury

579
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to think of a different question to

580
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: ask on his TV show, And I said, so after

581
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: watching the film, did you feel any better or feel

582
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: any worse? After that Thursday? I lost a Green Bay

583
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: and session and he said, you know what, I definitely

584
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: didn't feel any better. Yeah, I said, okay, and we moved,

585
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: but you know what, we got into it a little

586
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: bit and you know what I thought of and he

587
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: didn't confirm this, but what I thought of immediately at

588
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: the end, when the unthinkable happened, and aj Green did

589
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: not turn around. I thought of what Cliff Kingsbury said

590
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: to begin the week, and I think it was in

591
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: response to your question about what was his biggest concern

592
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: about playing on a Thursday night, and he said, not

593
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: being able to conduct a full speed, full go practice

594
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: where you can really get a sense. And it was

595
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: a good question, it was a good answer. Is insightful,

596
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: and there are things that make coaches nervous. And if

597
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: it's only at all walk through week, which is essentially

598
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: what a Thursday game prep week is all about, then

599
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: it does make you wonder stuff that happens quickly and

600
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: in the clutch of the moment with a game on

601
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: the line, and then all of a sudden, the execution

602
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: isn't there. Why you have two you have a better

603
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: and seven time pro bowler. Yes he's new to the offense.

604
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: But it's week eight, So why does that happen? Can

605
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: you trace that a correlation back to practice or lack thereof?

606
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: You never know. It is kind of funny with Cliff

607
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. I mean, the reason I

608
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: asked that question was based on the fact that, Okay,

609
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: you're back from COVID you were. You miss that entire

610
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: week of practice the week before, and that's the part

611
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: that you like. Now you're going into this other practice,

612
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: which you're back of practice, but you're still not practicing

613
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 1: the way you wanted. And that's kind of what they

614
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: were left with. I mean, if nothing else, Cliff has

615
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: to be like dancing a jig that there's a regular

616
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: practice this week, this week in regular preparation, and I

617
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: get to run all these things. Now. Of course I

618
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: don't know who the hell my quarterback is it going

619
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: to be, or what kind of reps they're going to

620
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: be out there, But what else, Well, you know what

621
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: he did share with us the week before on his

622
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: TV show coming off the Houston Week, he hated the

623
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: week of practice by the offense. Now, the defense shined,

624
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: and obviously they gave up three points because there was

625
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: a safety in the thirty one five final, he did

626
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: not like. He said he admitted some of it was

627
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 1: because maybe he was a little order. He's sitting at

628
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: home and he's watching the practice film and he's unloaded

629
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: on the offensive assistance. But he said he hated a

630
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: lot of that week of practice based on what he

631
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: saw in film, so you're right, you know, finally gets

632
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 1: to good start. That it was. In fact, Kelvin Beacham

633
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: mentioned one of the things on the checklist slow start.

634
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: And if you've been scoring at home, they have fallen

635
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: behind early against the Vikings, against the Jaguars, against the Rams,

636
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: against the Texans, it was five nothing early second quarter

637
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: and they scored thirty one unanswered in that one. And

638
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: now against the Green Bay Packers. Obviously it was funny though.

639
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: Somebody asked cliff On for Friday, I believe after the

640
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: Packers game about the slow starts, and they got a

641
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: very quick, tread lighter answer, tread lightly on that subject.

642
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: That is not his favorite subject. Maybe if he brings

643
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: it up, it's one thing, but that's the third rail. Yeah,

644
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: note to self as a reporter, ask that question adroitly

645
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: and gingerly, because that is um and so that's kind

646
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: of telling as well as to I think one game

647
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: this year they've come out of the opening drive and

648
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: got it into the end zone. And I'm trying to

649
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: think which game it was the opening Was it against Minnesota?

650
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: Actually it was it was I think it was Week two.

651
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: I think it was Minnesota. They drove down and they

652
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: got Only once have they opened a game with an

653
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: opening possession touchdown. And you know what, that's further illuminated

654
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: this week because one of the first things I think

655
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: of with Kyle Shanahan is how they always opened the game.

656
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: It was a couple of years ago they like huge

657
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: check pelooza to open them the game. They had like

658
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: three fullback screens and they came down in a plays

659
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: and seemingly every play was a chunk play touchdown. Just

660
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: like that in the Cardinals defense went back to the

661
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: drawing board on the sideline and they tried to figure

662
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: out all their adjustments. Kyle Shanahan has that ability as

663
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: a play caller. In fact, the Niners just beat the

664
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: Bears thirty three twenty two and the quote as I

665
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: look forward here from Jimmy g after the game, quote,

666
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: Kyle was on fire today with a play calling, just

667
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: a perfect storm type of thing. As the Niners went

668
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: out there, and here was the stat They didn't have

669
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: any sacks allowed, they didn't have any punts, and they

670
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: had no turnovers and that's only the ninth time a

671
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: team has done that in the Super Bowl era. And

672
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: they only had thirty three points they played clean football

673
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: and you're right, only thirty three points. They had seven

674
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: straight scoring drives, but in the first half they were

675
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: fuel goals. In the second half they got it into

676
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: the end zone three straight touchdown drives in the second half.

677
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: Thirty three twenty two. They ended a four game skid.

678
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: And now their mantra. Did you see the postgame locker

679
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: room seeing the Niners tweeted out their mantra to Kyle Shannon.

680
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: He said, in front of the team, what do we

681
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: talk about all week? Whatever it takes to bleeping win?

682
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: That was whatever it takes the bleeping win. Jimmy g

683
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: said the same thing, and the team breakdown at the

684
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: very end. So what do they have to lose? They

685
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: opened with two wins. Good mantra. I don't know if

686
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: any other team has ever thought of that. They lost

687
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: four straight. They want again. They're three and four, so

688
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: they come out against the division rival in Santa Clara.

689
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: There will be fans this year. I'm no wildfire. I'm

690
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: guessing them won't be smoke. So you can't even see

691
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: the forest grandstands. I mean, you couldn't even see across

692
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: the stadium last year. I brought it up to Cliff

693
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: Kingsbury between commercial breaks, and he's like, yeah, it was

694
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: like coaching in the Apocalypse last year because you know,

695
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: you could hear the planes because San Jose International Airport

696
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: is right next door. You could hear them as if

697
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: they're on top of you, and you couldn't see them. Yeah,

698
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: there's so much smoke in the air. Well, we spent

699
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: a lot of quality time last year on the road together.

700
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right. We were wearing a mask at

701
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: that game for a different reason. It wasn't COVID, it

702
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: was the wildfire. In fact, there were regulations you couldn't

703
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: walk around downtown San Jose because of the wildfire. They

704
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: actually told you to stay indoors. So well, we couldn't

705
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: leave the hotel, so it didn't matter. Here's the thing

706
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned. Okay, so we're gonna talk about the offense.

707
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: No one seemingly is talking about the injury to DeAndre Hopkins,

708
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: or are they, Darren, you have your ear to the

709
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, kind of got lost with the whole Kyler

710
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 1: Murray might be heard it did. And I'm just gonna

711
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: say this. When he was out of that game, mainly

712
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: the entirety of the second quarter and third quarter. I

713
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: didn't like the looks of the Cardinals offense minus their

714
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: number one receiver. There seemed to be a trickle down effect. Yes,

715
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: but no, because I mean I think in the second

716
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: quarter for sure, that first half didn't look good. But

717
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: I mean I'd have to go back and look. But

718
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: I feel like they scored, didn't They scored touchdowns. They

719
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: scored three touchdowns in name, but no, they scored two.

720
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: It was the fourth quarter where they came up with

721
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: two touchdowns. And some of that was when DeAndre Hopkins

722
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: got back into the game. Now was he a decoy?

723
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: Did he inserted himself back into the game? Well, he

724
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: definitely inserted himself. We know that. I mean, that was

725
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: one of the strangest things. And I gave some updates

726
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: from the sidelines. So all of a sudden, he's not

727
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: in the game. His helmet is off, his gloves are off,

728
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: and he's not wearing a baseball hat sometimes and he's

729
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: not within twenty yards of the play call, so he's

730
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: not poised to go back. It looks like he's done

731
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: for the night. And then all of a and then

732
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's back in the game. And

733
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: the assistance are like, no, get out. Sometimes they're telling

734
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: them to get out because they made late personnel substitutions.

735
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: So it was it was very strange. He made a

736
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: big catch too, he did, and then he comes out

737
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: and so once again, um, they're just gotten closed his

738
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,479
Speaker 1: hand on that face mask that would have been touched.

739
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: You know, there are guys that are replaceable and there

740
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 1: are guys who are not. And the Cardinals have other weapons,

741
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: obviously threats of receiver, but they don't have another legitimate

742
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: number one receiver on this on this on this offense,

743
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: they do not. And it is a slog a bit

744
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: when he's out of the game. Here's the other guy.

745
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: Here's my other fear. Did the Cardinals was more than

746
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: just a dynamic defensive lineman When they lost JJ Watt?

747
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: Did they lose an Attitude's my question and I like

748
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: in it a little bit. This is a worst case

749
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: scenario now to twenty fifteen. I appreciate you getting completely

750
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: negative when they lost Tyrn Matthew. I'm just saying this

751
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: is this is on my radar, Darren Urban. What is

752
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: the Cardinals defense like minus jj Watt? Now we can

753
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: run a whole bunch of different guys in there, and

754
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: it's a deep position room and there's a rotation. I

755
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: get it in Jordan Phillips's back grate and Zach Allen

756
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: is back, and they'll get Richard Lawrence back soon, you

757
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: would hope. So there are bodies, there are names and numbers.

758
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: There was the reason why the Cardinals didn't go trade

759
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: for a defensive lineman at the trade deadline because they

760
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: have enough depth. They have dudes. But do they have

761
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: the attitude of a JJ Watt because they he's that

762
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: guy when you walk into the biker bar, who's your

763
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: personal protector. You walk in, you go, you're talking to me.

764
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: You want some of this pal because you know you

765
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: have JJ Watt over your shoulder. Yeah, but I do

766
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: think that that trickles down from actually playing. I mean

767
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: JJ Watt was on the sidelines. I mean he had

768
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk to whoever he wanted to talk to,

769
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: and I mean he's not in the game. But you know,

770
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: if it's that, do I think it hurts? Yeah? I do,

771
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: because he's he's the vocal leader. He's the vocal guy,

772
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: and I personally do think that comes in handy sometimes.

773
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: But again, if they didn't have trouble stopping the run

774
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: in some other games, I might I might have I

775
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: might play more into it. But the issues they had

776
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: against the Packers they've already shown a couple of times.

777
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: And again, if AJ Green turns around, does that mean

778
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: they don't need JJ Watt being you know what I'm saying,

779
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: It's just so hard. Somebody was saying. Somebody made that

780
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: point about the Buccaneers, like if if Tom Brady ends

781
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: up doing exactly what he normally does and leads them

782
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: down to kick a field goal, Everybody's like, yeah, tom

783
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: Brady's the stud look what he did again? And instead

784
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a bunch of Buccaneers Twitter and it's

785
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: like our defense is the worst defense of all time?

786
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: And why is Tom Brady making stupid plays? And this

787
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: and that, and it's like the the reactions are, I

788
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: got a mail bag question your favorite kind of thing here?

789
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: And he basically said the opening names can you name

790
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: names in the mail bag? No? No, go ahead, but anyways, Uh,

791
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: it was it's the first question in there. And he

792
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: the first line was is that it like, is the

793
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: season over? And he goes through this and then he goes,

794
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: he goes. I don't want to overreact to one loss,

795
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: but and then he goes, and the whole rest of

796
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: the thing was overreaction. How you know, they don't do

797
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: this and they don't do this, and this is how

798
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: all the wheels fall off. This is what happened last year,

799
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: and this is this can be a crushing loss that

800
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: ends your season. I'm like, whoa wow. I battled Twitter

801
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: all day Sunday because the news came out from Glazers

802
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: about Murray's ankle being potentially having a miss games. Then

803
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's Kyler Murray is completely injury

804
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: prone and he's terrible when he plays injured, and or

805
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: he sucks when he plays injured. And I'm like, number one,

806
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: he's never missed a game, and number two And I

807
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: think my big thing was Kyler Murray sucks. Is a

808
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: hell of a take because I don't know even in

809
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: the games that he I mean, there are games he

810
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: hasn't played great, but there's games that's Tom Brady hasn't

811
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: played great or Aaron Rodgers doesn't played great, and I

812
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: just it just it mentally just drains me. So let

813
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: me let me get this straight. The guy who, going

814
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: into the Thursday night game was the odds on betting

815
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: favorite for MVP sucks. We're using the five letter S

816
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 1: word because because he's hurt quote un quote all the time,

817
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: even though we know that Tom Brady played all last

818
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: year with a knee injury. But I guess that doesn't right, right, Okay? Um, Well,

819
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: once again, like I started this podcast, you know, sometimes

820
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: times you can't save people from themselves. I asked you

821
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: guys to save me from the bad karma that I

822
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: was bringing upon myself, and that guy needs to be

823
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: saved from his own lame takes. That that's that's that's

824
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: that's that's my correlation take. I'm just saying it was disappointing.

825
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: By the way. Let's give credit where credit is due,

826
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: and uh that credit apparently goes to Hugh Freeze. Do

827
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about? Hugh Freeze, former quarterback,

828
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: Hugh Freeze, former head coach of Old miss who now

829
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: Jim Almo hundred will give you a one hundred dollar

830
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: bill if you can tell me where Hugh Freeze is

831
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: coaching today, right here, right now. Where is Hugh Freeze

832
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: the head coach? I have no idea Liberty. Do you

833
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: know why that I bring that up because you're a

834
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: fan of When we asked Cliff Kingsbury about the Chase

835
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: Edmonds direct snap touchdown, he said he stole it from

836
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: Liberty and we're like, you're watching Liberty game film and

837
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: he said, well, Hugh Freeze and Hugh Freeze. I guess

838
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: you know football guys who know football respect. Hugh Freeze

839
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: is off at Apparently he runs a very unique offense.

840
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: I did a quick Google search on the whole thing.

841
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: Hugh Freeze was that coach Old Miss when they beat

842
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: Alabama in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen before everything blew up

843
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: in the Old Miss program and he left. Uh, and

844
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: so Robert Camnici was there, Yes, and so says as

845
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: once again, I say, see there, I saved myself from myself.

846
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: That's I'm improving. I'm proud of myself right there. I've

847
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: made the in podcast adjustments Starren Urban. That's that's good.

848
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: And so uh he said, So, now what's interesting is

849
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: that Liberty is playing guess who this weekend? Ole Miss

850
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: is going to Old Miss. It just happens when I

851
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: googled that up. So there, there's your game you're under

852
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: the radar. Game to watch this weekend. If you have

853
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: some college football to watch, watch Hugh Freeze going against

854
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: his former team Ole Miss against Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin

855
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: has already lost to Hugh Freeze twice when he was

856
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: at Alabama with Nick Saban And and oh, by the way,

857
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: Liberty has the first round pick you've never heard of

858
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: at quarterback, some kid named Malik Willis who is an

859
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: absolute game breaker and he's a dual threat quarterback, and

860
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: they say he has legitimate aspirations of being a first

861
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: round pick. So apparently whatever they're running right now at Liberty,

862
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury has been studying and that's where he ripped

863
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: off the Chase Edmonds direct snap, which he told us

864
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: and we said, well you know, and Wolf said, now, coach,

865
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in your profession wouldn't give credit

866
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: on that. He said, oh no, no, you always have

867
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 1: to give credit to where you get your place, because

868
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: it's bad karma if you don't. That's his belief. So

869
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: there's the karma. Yeah, So there you go. The karma

870
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: comes full circle full circle on this one as well. So,

871
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: but if your head coach is watching Liberty film once

872
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: again hashtag grinder. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

873
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: Any You're right, So, by the way, as you go

874
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: into this game, Darren Irman, as I look at our

875
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: game plan for today, okay, I'm not this. Are you

876
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: hitting zoom out a little bit, a little bit between

877
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: now and the bye week? Over Thanksgiving week as you

878
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: got at the Niners home against Carolina then at Seattle. Well, clearly, Paul,

879
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: I only take one game at a time, and it's

880
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: it's oh and one, I mean one and o every week.

881
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: Some guys take this season in quarters, right, Deander Hopkins

882
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: or whoever said that. You know, so, by the way,

883
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm here allowed it just heads up to anybody listening.

884
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: I'm sending out a tweet at halftime to mark the

885
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: halfway point of the season. I see because we will

886
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: be eight and a half, eight and a half games down,

887
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: eight and a half to go. So at half time,

888
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: are're gonna name all your team mv PA's right, I

889
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: have to have you do it in a real quick tweet.

890
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: You're halfway. Things could change halfway season awards. That's a great,

891
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: great point. I do think I'm going to tweet that

892
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 1: so Paul, I appreciate that. Heads up, you're a creative genius.

893
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: You know this is Here's why I think this is

894
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: a super important time because now you're not sure of

895
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: exactly what the quarterback situation you're gonna be. I think

896
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: you know you're not You're gonna see Jimmy Garoppolo for

897
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. You don't know exactly what is

898
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: going to happen with Kyler Murray over the next couple

899
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: of games. Sam Arnold's got a concussion right now. I'm

900
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: assuming he would be back in a couple of weeks,

901
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: but we don't know. So you might be facing AF

902
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: star p J. Walker I believe is his name for

903
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: the Panthers, and Russell Wilson got pinned out of his hand,

904
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: so is he the quarterback By the time that the

905
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: Cardinals play of the Seahawks, are we still going to

906
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: get to see Geno Smith? So it's there's so much

907
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: upheaval in terms of who the quarterbacks are going to

908
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: be in this game. And I believe it or not, Paul,

909
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: I believe quarterback is where the wins and losses start

910
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: in this league. So we're gonna I'll kind of want

911
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: to see that. Okay, all right, I'm with you on

912
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: that one. You know, I'd like to see Rodney Hudson back.

913
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: That would be good. That based on what Calvin Beecham said,

914
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, the old head as he calls him, the

915
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: old head. You know, hopefully we can believe in the

916
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: return of Rodney as we record this right now, his

917
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: practice window open, so all they gotta do is elevate him.

918
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: And my guess is if he looks good in practice,

919
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: which everybody's hoping, then you know you have until Saturday

920
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: to bring him off the IR. You know who's great

921
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: at out well is Sean Harlow. So here's my question.

922
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: If Rondnie Hudson is back yep, and Max Garcia is back,

923
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: theoretically what happens to right guard is Josh Jones on

924
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: a tight leash? Is Josh Jones a guy who you're

925
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: playing to the crowd now, aren't you, Paul mas Garcia?

926
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: Sean Harlow might be a candidate to replace Josh Jones

927
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: at right guard if the play doesn't pick up there,

928
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: that's my question. It'll be interesting. I thought it was,

929
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, I heard Steve Kin was asked about Josh

930
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: Jones last week and last week, and he said that

931
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: other than that early pressure, bad pressure that he gave up,

932
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: he said he thought he played pretty well. I don't know.

933
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I know Sean Coogler likes Josh Jones. I

934
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: know they want Josh Jones to succeed. But you know,

935
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: in a year like this, you gotta be smart about it.

936
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: And if you feel like Josh Jones is not giving

937
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: you the system play that you want, you do have

938
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: other options there. And we're not even talking about Justin

939
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 1: Murray yet. And you know he's not He's still on IR.

940
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: But we'll see what happens with him too. I mean,

941
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: what is the timeline on Justin Murray? Is there one?

942
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, it's a back injury, so we'll see.

943
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think of him as a candidate,

944
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: you know, to be back anytime soon. Maybe I'm wrong

945
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: on that, but look, you're going to take on a

946
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: Niners team. We've seen Jimmy g when he gets it

947
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: in gear and he gets on a roll, and you

948
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: saw it. In twenty nineteen, he had two games against

949
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: the Cardinals where he threw for more than four hundred

950
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: yards in each game. And I think he had seven

951
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: touchdown passes between those two games. So now, was that

952
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: a different defense for the Arizona Cardinals in twenty nineteen. Absolutely,

953
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: especially the first half of the season. They were not good,

954
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: they were not in sync. But based on what Jimmy

955
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: Garoppolo is capable of doing, you know, you're seeing a

956
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: guy who can definitely be a winning quarterback. Despite the

957
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: fact that Deebo Samuel has forty six percent of the

958
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: Niners receiving yards and I'm like, wow, and someone put

959
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: out there, that's the highest rate of receiving yards by

960
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: a single receiver and a single team since Roddy White

961
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. I bought that for a stat

962
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: Once again, if you can somebome, you would have thought

963
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins might have been up there last year, you know,

964
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: if you're right, and DeAndre Hopkins had the highest percentage

965
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: of receiving yards for any team in the NFL a

966
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: year ago, I think it was thirty four percent. That's

967
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: not even close to forty six. I can't tell you,

968
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: not even close. And I'm not a math major, but

969
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: I remember hashtag no math. But I remember us talking

970
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: about that in the off season that Cardinals need for

971
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: more help in the receiver because DeAndre Hopkins had the

972
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: highest rate of receiving yards of any single receiver for

973
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: any single team in the NFL. Well, that guy right

974
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: now is Deebo Samuel and his yards after catch is ridiculous. Well,

975
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt when they throw it three yards behind

976
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and able to run for a touchdown.

977
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: So the one thing that is alarming coming off that

978
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: Packers game, at least to me, was the caliber of tackling.

979
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: It was the worst tackling we've seen all year. Now,

980
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: how much of that had to do with as as

981
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: Zach Allen told us after the game, his former teammate

982
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: a BC AJ Dillon two hundred and fifty pounds. How's

983
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: this taste when you're trying to tackle AJ Diller a

984
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: short week? Right? Every day's leg day with that guy.

985
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that guy's a tough tackle. But Aaron Jones

986
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: was a tough tackle too, Yeah, and so he dictated

987
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: his way and had his way with a Cardinals defense

988
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: more than once. So I am curious to see what

989
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: the tackling looks like against a hard charging, hard running

990
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: Elijah Mitchell, who we've seen already playing great. We had

991
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: a great game the other day he did, so you know,

992
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: they got to control that. I do feel like they

993
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: have to be smart on the edges. That Mitchell did

994
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: a lot of damage against the Bears on the edges,

995
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 1: and they got to keep contain. I mean, they got

996
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: gashed in the middle plenty, but I think they got

997
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: to be smart on their contain and it'll be interesting

998
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: to see how that all plays out. Here's what we

999
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: do know. The last ten meetings between the Cardinals and

1000
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: Niners have been decided by ten points or less. It

1001
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: seems always close, So we'll see what happens in Santa Clara.

1002
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: But if Colt McCoy is the guy, Here's the other

1003
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: thing about this team this year. They have a personality

1004
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: where they feed off the challenge. Whether it was going

1005
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,959
Speaker 1: into Tennessee and no one gave him a chance, whether

1006
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: it was going against the Rams and that whole oh

1007
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: and eight against Sean McVay, whether it was going into

1008
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: Cleveland and the head coach was out because of COVID

1009
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: and everything else and they're losing guys on the day

1010
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: of the game, and that whole challenge. This team does

1011
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 1: have that personality where they feed off that. There's something

1012
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: about the doubters and the haters that brings out the

1013
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: best in this team. So we'll see, we'll see what

1014
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: the narrative is like, whether they have Kyler or not.

1015
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: But coming off that loss and the fact that there

1016
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: are a lot of doubters and a lot of people

1017
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: wondering about where the second half of this season is

1018
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: going to go because everyone saw how the second half

1019
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: of last season went. And second half doesn't start until

1020
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: the third quarter though, right, So okay, we'll leave it

1021
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: right there, Darren, so the second half of the season,

1022
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: everyone can restart their clocks. When Darren sends out his

1023
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: midseason awards at halftime halftime of the forty nine Ers

1024
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: game in the press box of Levi stat I think

1025
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: it was funny that you just said reset your clocks,

1026
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: because don't forget, everybody else has to reset their clocks

1027
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: this week Saturday night. Yeah, oh no, and we're on

1028
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: the road, so we do have to worry about Yeah,

1029
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: we do have to worry about that, but it buys

1030
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: us an extra hour right to fall back, so we

1031
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: fall back. So okay, it's not the spring Ahead. It

1032
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: was spring ahead somebody would screw that up on the road. Yeah,

1033
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: I can't even remember. Well, I know it is we

1034
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, all we do losing it. We're gonna lose

1035
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: an hour coming back, like we would have been home

1036
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 1: an hour earlier on Sunday night. But now we're gonna

1037
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: lose that hour. That's true. You're right, you're right, because

1038
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: now we're gonna be an hour ahead of the Pacific coast. Yeah, yep,

1039
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: I get that all right, there you go, Well, Darren,

1040
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: you know it's a it's good little public service announcement.

1041
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm here for all the people that don't live in Arizona.

1042
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: They don't have to do their clocks. Can we work

1043
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: that out? By the way, can we just get this

1044
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: whole this whole daylight savings thing just booted? I mean,

1045
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: do we really need that anymore? I mean, for the

1046
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: Red Sea that's going to travel to Santa Clara, and

1047
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: we have seen the Red Sea on the road every

1048
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: single road game. You know, the bird Gang has been

1049
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: out there and I have the video clips to prove

1050
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: of them. Channing MVP as Kyler has left the field

1051
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: and you will have to send a few of those

1052
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: out again. So for the Red Sea. Remember you have

1053
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: to worry about your clocks overnight Saturday going into game day.

1054
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: Once again, a full service podcast here, Cardinals Underground, brought

1055
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,920
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00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,000
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