Speaker 1: To us fires touch style by waddle stuck into the
Speaker 1: end zone of Miami Boy tight fro tight window. They
Speaker 1: had to get that touchdown on that play. They get it.
Speaker 1: What is up, Dolph Fans and welcome to the Drivetime Podcast,
Speaker 1: part of the Miami Dolphins podcast network, covering your team,
Speaker 1: your Miami Dolphins. How's it going? Everybody? I am your host,
Speaker 1: Travis Wingfield, and on today's show, Draft Week continues on,
Speaker 1: and so too does our draft preview series. I have
Speaker 1: Fran Duffy here to help us preview the tight end
Speaker 1: class and a whole lot more because this guy is
Speaker 1: a bit of a draft guru. He works in the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles podcast network, the Journey to the Draft podcast,
Speaker 1: and the Eagle Eye in the Sky podcast. Fran Duffie
Speaker 1: my guest today. We're gonna break down this tight end class,
Speaker 1: but also revisit the last couple of draft class here
Speaker 1: with the Miami Dolphins from someone who has evaluated those
Speaker 1: classes as close as anybody else from somewhere in South Florida.
Speaker 1: This is the Drivetime Podcast. We have a lot to
Speaker 1: get to today with Fran Duffy, and it will be
Speaker 1: a very busy week here on the Drivetime Podcast. Yesterday
Speaker 1: we heard our final of the scout sit downs with
Speaker 1: Matt Winston. We also chatted with Ali Connolly of Gridiron
Speaker 1: Football Overseas talking about the linebacker class. We're gonna continue
Speaker 1: today with the tight ends and put a bow on
Speaker 1: our positional draft preview series tomorrow night on the podcast. Tomorrow,
Speaker 1: I should say, Kyle Crabs from Locked On Dolphins and
Speaker 1: the Draft Network joins us to do a comprehensive draft preview.
Speaker 1: Then Thursday we'll have a mail bag. The questions have
Speaker 1: already been put out, are you guys asked those questions?
Speaker 1: Will answer them on the podcast as well as Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphins dot Com. But for today, let's put a bow
Speaker 1: on the positional previews and get to my guest friend
Speaker 1: Duffy and joining me now here on the Drivetime Podcast
Speaker 1: is the host of the Eagle, Eye and the Sky
Speaker 1: podcast and the Journey to the Draft podcast on the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles podcast Network, Fran Duffy. Fran, appreciate your time today, man,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot. I have us absolutely, Man. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you're asking me and happy to join them. You know,
Speaker 1: I always like to to not just study the game
Speaker 1: of football. But study the folks that study the game
Speaker 1: of football, and watching you at the Combine, Man, this
Speaker 1: might be almost a little bit like a creepy to you.
Speaker 1: Instead it's not really, but just just watching the way
Speaker 1: you went around to the podiums, the questions you had
Speaker 1: for for the kids, and the stuff you extracted out
Speaker 1: of those those questions. Man, I really enjoyed watching you
Speaker 1: do your things. I was just kind of curious about
Speaker 1: how you game plan for the weekend India. It's a
Speaker 1: good question, um, you know for me, Like I've been
Speaker 1: going to the Combine for like a decade now, and
Speaker 1: at this point, like you gotta know the questions that
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are gonna be asked, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them are questions that don't necessarily benefit me. Like,
Speaker 1: I honestly don't care who these players are meeting with
Speaker 1: the combined because I know, like, in some ways, shape
Speaker 1: or form, these guys are meeting with every team. It's
Speaker 1: more news of a team doesn't meet with the player
Speaker 1: throughout the free draft process and so uh, the the
Speaker 1: constant badgering for these guys, Oh did you meet with
Speaker 1: Team X? Oh? Like how did the meeting go? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes you get an anecdote out of there and I
Speaker 1: get it, so that part of it's fine. But to me,
Speaker 1: the big thing that I always and the other aspect
Speaker 1: of it too, is during pre draft CREP, these guys
Speaker 1: are coached up on all of these questions when it
Speaker 1: has to do about themselves, and so I've learned over
Speaker 1: the years you get these really kind of planned vanilla
Speaker 1: answers from these guys. If you said, like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: where do you think you need to improve? Or where
Speaker 1: what's your biggest strength of your game? Who do you
Speaker 1: model yourself after a lot of those boilerplate questions come
Speaker 1: with boilerplate answers from the players, And so I have
Speaker 1: found that a lot of my success has come from
Speaker 1: asking players to talk about other players, whether that's in
Speaker 1: this draft, their teammates, opponents, guys they've gone up against,
Speaker 1: or guys that are coming down the road, and that
Speaker 1: can help me get a little bit of a head
Speaker 1: start on next year. Because we do the Journey of
Speaker 1: the Draft podcast year round, and so we're always kind
Speaker 1: of looking ahead. That's off, we'll start as soon as
Speaker 1: the late part of the spring, early part of the
Speaker 1: summer gets here, and so That's really what my goal
Speaker 1: is going into Combine week is just try and get
Speaker 1: players to talk about other players. And it is also
Speaker 1: I think the players kind of appreciated as well, because
Speaker 1: they spend all weeks talking about themselves. They love gasing
Speaker 1: out their teammates. And that was the one that I
Speaker 1: listed out to me was when you would ask him
Speaker 1: about who's a guy that we should keep an eye
Speaker 1: on next year? And I was thinking, look at Frank
Speaker 1: getting ready for the class already here in February of two.
Speaker 1: It's great. And you talk about being a ten year
Speaker 1: vent at the Combine. I've been there twice, spent the
Speaker 1: team for three years now, obviously no combined one, but
Speaker 1: it took me two years to really kind of get
Speaker 1: sick of that have you met with Team X questions?
Speaker 1: So it doesn't take long to figure that one out.
Speaker 1: But it's like I said, like it's the same thing
Speaker 1: with the at the Senior Bowl. You know, you get
Speaker 1: a lot of these websites and people and look, look,
Speaker 1: everybody good create content. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: not content. Content is good for everybody. But to me,
Speaker 1: like every team, it's it's you're on a fact finding mission.
Speaker 1: If you're an NFL scout, you're trying to talk with
Speaker 1: as many players as possible. Ever, every team is trying
Speaker 1: to talk with all the guys a senior ball, all
Speaker 1: the guys in the shrine ball, at the nflp A game,
Speaker 1: you go to the combine, whether it's formal informal, teams
Speaker 1: are trying to talk with everybody, and so uh to
Speaker 1: me that that's where that stuff kind of gets lost
Speaker 1: in the wash. Yeah, you gotta get the knowledge in case,
Speaker 1: you know, for agency comes around in four years and
Speaker 1: you want to know about a player his entire career.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it makes sense to to know the
Speaker 1: entire league, right, And that's kind of where I wanted
Speaker 1: to get you to weigh in here for this Dolphins
Speaker 1: really this offseason, but a collection of the last few
Speaker 1: draft classes because I want to get to the tight
Speaker 1: end class here eventual. That's the reason we have you
Speaker 1: on the podcast. But you know, I want to go
Speaker 1: back to the real reason. I believe the Dolphins were
Speaker 1: kind of afforded this opportunity to really use this year's
Speaker 1: ammunition to go out and get a proven you know,
Speaker 1: six for six six years, six Pro Bowl bids type
Speaker 1: of talent and Tyreek Hill, and that was you know,
Speaker 1: the success of the twenty one draft classes, and really
Speaker 1: in earnest, it goes back to before that when you consider,
Speaker 1: you know, Christian Wilkins Andrew Van Ginkle might get sick
Speaker 1: of Jerome Baker back to Xaving Howard in twenty six
Speaker 1: team and so Fran I've got someone on my podcast
Speaker 1: here yourself that does this draft in depth every single year.
Speaker 1: I have to imagine you track not just the Eagles,
Speaker 1: but the entire national football they'd kind of only get
Speaker 1: a gauge for your hits and misses, but just curiosity, right,
Speaker 1: we all feel that way. So I wanted to keep
Speaker 1: it in these last two draft classes and just ask
Speaker 1: you as you go back over these Dolphins last two classes.
Speaker 1: Eleven top one hundred picks, a bunch of guys that
Speaker 1: have played a bunch of snaps and starts and production
Speaker 1: all that fun stuff. What really stands out to you
Speaker 1: about these last two Dolphins draft classes. Well, I think
Speaker 1: the big thing you know, when you go back and
Speaker 1: you look at the last two groups, obviously a lot
Speaker 1: of high quality picks, right, I mean five first round picks,
Speaker 1: uh four second round picks, and so a lot of
Speaker 1: really talented players. And I think when you look at
Speaker 1: the way that they operated last year, number one, you've
Speaker 1: got a legitimate athleticism across the board, right and you
Speaker 1: look at Jalen Waddle, Jalen Phillips, Javon Holland right off
Speaker 1: the bat one to three, all three guys stand out
Speaker 1: with their athleticism, not just what they did in the
Speaker 1: NFL and year one, but also with what they put
Speaker 1: on on the film in college. Mean, Jalen Waddle was
Speaker 1: one of the most impressive game breakers in all of
Speaker 1: college football for the last two seasons at Alabama. Jalen
Speaker 1: Phillips was a monster his final season in Miami. And
Speaker 1: then Javon Holland was a personal favorite of mine just
Speaker 1: because of the athleticism and the versatility that he showed
Speaker 1: at Oregon, and people kind of forgot about it because
Speaker 1: he didn't play in that COVID season in but really
Speaker 1: kind of came on and I know he had a
Speaker 1: strong first year down there for Miamy. So I think,
Speaker 1: to me, you look at that from that standpoint, and so, yeah,
Speaker 1: they really kind of hit it out of the park
Speaker 1: early on in that draft and then going back to
Speaker 1: the year before in just so many picks and interesting
Speaker 1: talent up and down the board, right, And I think
Speaker 1: when you look at guys now that are entering their
Speaker 1: third season, it's gonna be so pivotal for that class.
Speaker 1: And obviously so much is gonna be talked about with
Speaker 1: to a tongue of ioloa. But you talk about Austin
Speaker 1: Jackson and Noah Bonogny and uh, you know Robert Hunt,
Speaker 1: what he has done so far in his career. Rickkwon
Speaker 1: Davis has been a pivotal, key cog upfront from everything
Speaker 1: that I've been able to tell um, but it's been
Speaker 1: It's a really interesting group of players, and obviously with
Speaker 1: a new coaching staff, you know that it's gonna be
Speaker 1: big for those guys to really kind of come in.
Speaker 1: And some of those guys are gonna get an extra
Speaker 1: shot maybe if they felt like they were in their
Speaker 1: last leg with the previous coaching staff. Well, now you've
Speaker 1: got some new life. Uh. And obviously it can work
Speaker 1: the other way as well. So it's always important to
Speaker 1: make that strong first impression, which I know a lot
Speaker 1: of those players are doing right now. This week without
Speaker 1: Gates kicking off in South Beach. Yeah, football back on
Speaker 1: the football field. You can't beat that. That's for us.
Speaker 1: All all kind of leads back to the draft, free agency,
Speaker 1: all that stuff to getting back on the football field.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned it there. You know that the efforts
Speaker 1: to build around to a tongue of voloa. The the
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel and Chris Weer are both talking about their
Speaker 1: admiration for the talent they got on the offensive line
Speaker 1: with a Austin Jackson, with Robert Hunt, last year with
Speaker 1: Liam Eikenberg and then going back to Solomon Kindley. Will
Speaker 1: also include Brandon Jones in that list, And it's just
Speaker 1: so many guys that continue for the defense obviously, but
Speaker 1: so many guys that are have been the main cogs
Speaker 1: in back to back winning seasons have come out of
Speaker 1: those draft classes. You go into year three here, you
Speaker 1: hope that's the year that they kind of take their
Speaker 1: game to that next level and really get themselves into
Speaker 1: the next portion of their career. So, you know, these
Speaker 1: two drafts provided Miami again eleven top one hundred picks,
Speaker 1: and the Dolphins got a lot of that based upon
Speaker 1: one big draft day trade with LARRYE. Tons I'll go
Speaker 1: into the Texans and getting that haul back. But the
Speaker 1: Dolphins have also been in business in recent years with
Speaker 1: the team that you cover in the Philadelphia Eagles and
Speaker 1: two of the more i would say rich teams in
Speaker 1: terms of their draft capital over the last you know,
Speaker 1: half decade and projecting into the future here as well,
Speaker 1: that we both have, you know, multiple first round picks
Speaker 1: next you guys this year with two and then two
Speaker 1: again next year. The Dolphins in three as well, and
Speaker 1: you know, both these teams, it seems, have taken this
Speaker 1: approach this year. And it sounds funny to say because
Speaker 1: Philly still has the two first rounders, but to almost
Speaker 1: like invest more capital into next year's draft class. I
Speaker 1: was curious what you think about the benefit of that
Speaker 1: mode of operation. What do you think is the the
Speaker 1: idea behind kind of putting their draft capital from this
Speaker 1: year into next season. Well, it just gives you flexibility
Speaker 1: over multiple seasons. And so obviously having three first round picks.
Speaker 1: You guys experienced that a couple of years ago. You
Speaker 1: know how exciting that could be for a franchise to
Speaker 1: how that amount of quality talent enter the building. But
Speaker 1: to me, now being able to stretch out, say okay,
Speaker 1: now we've got multiple first round picks over these couple
Speaker 1: of years. You've got multiple second round picks over these
Speaker 1: next couple of years. It just gives you flexibility, not
Speaker 1: just in the draft, but if a blue chip talent
Speaker 1: or whether on the veteran market becomes available, like saying,
Speaker 1: you know a pro Bowl wide receiver like a Tyreek
Speaker 1: Kill level talent. Well, now if it's three, you've got
Speaker 1: that flexibility to be and say, okay, we can go
Speaker 1: and make that move if we still want to write
Speaker 1: and so to me, that's what that trade is about. You.
Speaker 1: You didn't give up much in terms of capital this year.
Speaker 1: You still have multiple first round picks in the top
Speaker 1: twenty of this draft, but you gain an extra one
Speaker 1: next year, you gain an extra two a couple of
Speaker 1: years from now. So just being able to collect that
Speaker 1: those quality, high value picks to me over the course
Speaker 1: of the next couple of years, that's important for this
Speaker 1: franchise that is still very much trying to build towards
Speaker 1: getting back to getting another Lombardi trophy. It's fascinating the
Speaker 1: way you almost have like these you know, these certain
Speaker 1: life cycles they talk about your you know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to call it a Super Bowl window, but those
Speaker 1: windows of time where you feel like you can achieve
Speaker 1: certain things. And the Dolphins seem to have put themselves
Speaker 1: in this position where their life cycle is not just
Speaker 1: now but also for the future. And I kind of
Speaker 1: see the same thing happened there in Philadelphia. So real
Speaker 1: quick frame before our first break. I want to circle
Speaker 1: back to the previous thing we talked about and this
Speaker 1: new Dolphins coaching staff and kind of that you know,
Speaker 1: clean slate. We've heard you know, Patrick Surtainant, Sam Madison
Speaker 1: and damn it feels good to say those two names
Speaker 1: again for the coaching staff. We've heard Mike McDaniel talk
Speaker 1: about the entire coaching staff talk about a clean slate
Speaker 1: for some of these guys like you mentioned. So I
Speaker 1: was curious. You know, you do a lot of great
Speaker 1: work on XS and O's friend, I can watch your
Speaker 1: breakdowns for hours and hours on end. It's it's a
Speaker 1: lot of fun, very educational. And you know this, this
Speaker 1: new offensive staff, defensive system should stay largely intact. But
Speaker 1: on the offense, new head coach, new OC, new quarterbacks, receivers,
Speaker 1: O line tight end coach. How can this staff, the
Speaker 1: way they're constructed help accelerate the trajectory of those young players. Well,
Speaker 1: the big part is when you have the speed on
Speaker 1: the field that the Dolphins are going to have as
Speaker 1: long as everyone's healthy, when you have Jalen Waddle and
Speaker 1: Tyreek Kill, that speed a lot with the creativity that
Speaker 1: that coaching staff is likely to bring. Uh, that really
Speaker 1: kind of opens things up. And I think that when
Speaker 1: you look at a staff and they do things a
Speaker 1: little bit differently. But when you look here in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni, Shane Stikeen, Brian Johnson, the quarterback coaches across
Speaker 1: the board, they all want to talk about finding ways
Speaker 1: to get their playmakers the ball. They were one of
Speaker 1: the best in the league this past year in terms
Speaker 1: of yards after catch per reception, and that's about just
Speaker 1: trying to find ways to get the playmakers the ball
Speaker 1: in space. One of the other teams that was really
Speaker 1: good in that department the Miami Dolphins and Mike McDaniel Right,
Speaker 1: So I think when you're the San Francisco for the
Speaker 1: Niners rather and Mike McDaniels, so that's where you're hoping
Speaker 1: carries over to the Miami Dolphins here this fall is
Speaker 1: that ability to find ways to get kill and waddle
Speaker 1: the ball in space and everybody else as well. And
Speaker 1: I think when you have that amount of speed, well,
Speaker 1: now you've got that ability to stretch things out. Because
Speaker 1: that's the thing when people talk about the San Francisco
Speaker 1: for the Niners and their offense and Deebo, Samuel and
Speaker 1: Brandon you can obviously George Kittle, that's not it's not
Speaker 1: a big play offense from a vertical stand point, is
Speaker 1: a big play offense from a chunk standpoint. So you're
Speaker 1: trying to create explosive plays that are in that eighteen
Speaker 1: to twenty five yard window and some of those are
Speaker 1: balls that are thrown at seven yards with space where
Speaker 1: receivers on the run. And that's something that to a
Speaker 1: tongue of Bolo woul due to high level during his
Speaker 1: time at Alabama, and now you're trying to create some
Speaker 1: of that same magic schematically here in Miami. Yeah, most
Speaker 1: of the games played in that ten yard bucks, right,
Speaker 1: That's that's the part of the game that it seems
Speaker 1: to you really have to harp on that to get
Speaker 1: it across, it seems sometimes and you know it's It's
Speaker 1: interesting you talk about the vertical stretch of the offense,
Speaker 1: because a lot of these offenses that are built similarly,
Speaker 1: they start off condensed, right, They're always in nasty splits,
Speaker 1: in these tight splits, and then it gets to the
Speaker 1: horizontal stretch as well, and how you create the spacing
Speaker 1: and all that fun stuff. Let's take our first break
Speaker 1: here and come back on the other side with Fran
Speaker 1: Duffy of the Journey to the Draft podcast on the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles podcast Network here on the Drivetime Podcast with
Speaker 1: your host Travis Wingfield. That's me, brought to you by
Speaker 1: Auto Nation. Al Right back here on this edition of
Speaker 1: the Drivetime Podcast brought to you by Auto Nation, Fran
Speaker 1: Duffy is my guest, and Fran, I've asked this question
Speaker 1: to all my Draft preview guests here and I'm dying
Speaker 1: to get your answer because you obviously watch a ton
Speaker 1: of tape. I want to know about your idio secrecies.
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of good answers on this. It's
Speaker 1: there like a go to snack or a drink that
Speaker 1: you have to have. For me, it's coffee. You watch
Speaker 1: me drinking this coffee during this podcast and then once
Speaker 1: you're locked in, I'm curious to hear your approach to
Speaker 1: the tape itself. I want to hear your entire film
Speaker 1: watching session. What does that look like for you? Um so,
Speaker 1: I would say by my snacks are on a general rotation,
Speaker 1: uh there, there's a lot of different things I like
Speaker 1: to rotate in there. I certainly like to have a
Speaker 1: drink at my side. I'm not a big coffee drinker.
Speaker 1: I've tried multiple times over the course of my uh
Speaker 1: teenage and adult life to get into coffee, and I
Speaker 1: just can't find the taste. I love the smell, but
Speaker 1: just not I have not become a coffee drinker. Um
Speaker 1: that said, I think when you for me getting into
Speaker 1: the film, it's really a bit. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: long process, especially when it comes to the draft, because
Speaker 1: I usually try and get through a couple of different
Speaker 1: touch points with all of these players. Obviously being able
Speaker 1: to see them live, whether it's at a game or
Speaker 1: at an All star setting, certainly at the combine, those
Speaker 1: are all helpful. But I try and at least have
Speaker 1: two or three different instances where I watch a player,
Speaker 1: because I can't tell you how often it happens. Travis
Speaker 1: where I'll watch a guy in August or a guy
Speaker 1: in October, and then it's January. I'm like, man, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm really high on this guy, and not everybody else
Speaker 1: is high on this guy. Should did I just have
Speaker 1: like a good day that morning, like there was no
Speaker 1: traffic going into the office. I woke up on the
Speaker 1: right side of the bed. I'll go back and watch
Speaker 1: again and say no, like I really do like this guy,
Speaker 1: like oh okay, Like it just kind of reaffirming that.
Speaker 1: It just it makes me feel good to say, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: everything I saw back in the summer, everything I saw
Speaker 1: early in the fall, that still carries over and I'm
Speaker 1: still watching. You know, it will be this it's this week. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, we're getting ready to do the defensive line
Speaker 1: preview next week on the Journey the Draft podcast, and
Speaker 1: so this week I'm just kind of going back through
Speaker 1: defensive linemen, some of whom I have not watched for months,
Speaker 1: and some of these are that are some of the
Speaker 1: best best players in the class. And you're gonna see
Speaker 1: some changes, You're gonna see some things that are about
Speaker 1: the same. I'm a big believer and just trying to
Speaker 1: make sure, you trust your eyes more than your ears. Uh,
Speaker 1: and so just kind of lean into what I see
Speaker 1: and and that's I just have to be true to
Speaker 1: myself from that standpoint. And so typically from most players,
Speaker 1: I try and watch anywhere from like three to five
Speaker 1: games full games, depending on the position. Uh, and then
Speaker 1: some specialty tapes off of that. So uh, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's a corner, I like watching all of the
Speaker 1: plays where he impacts the football, but then also some
Speaker 1: of the explosive plays that the defense gave up to
Speaker 1: get a sense of how often he was involved. Their
Speaker 1: wide receivers, I want to watch every single target running backs.
Speaker 1: I want to see as many pass protection stamps as possible,
Speaker 1: as well as all their touches against Power five competition. Right. So,
Speaker 1: just depending on the on the position, those kind of
Speaker 1: specialty tapes will change. Um, but I think ultimately it
Speaker 1: just comes down to just watching as much as possible
Speaker 1: and just trying to get as many exposures as possible.
Speaker 1: No surprise at all here that you gave me a
Speaker 1: new answer that I haven't heard yet. So great stuff.
Speaker 1: They're frying to appreciate that, And then you got me
Speaker 1: thinking they're talking about watching these guys in the fall
Speaker 1: and then you kind of come back and then they
Speaker 1: stir open mobile and they dominate. You're like, yep, that's
Speaker 1: the guy I saw, and everyone else kind of catches
Speaker 1: up to it. That's the best feeling in the draft process,
Speaker 1: if you ask me, so you know we can. We
Speaker 1: talked about the Dolphins and Eagles both putting capital into
Speaker 1: future draft classes. Certainly the Dolphins in next year's class,
Speaker 1: Eagles a little bit too. But I was curious to
Speaker 1: kind of circle back before we get into tight ends.
Speaker 1: It's coming. I promised that the tight end preview is
Speaker 1: coming everybody, But uh, I wanted to ask you first,
Speaker 1: how would you describe this draft class. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about the depth, the top
Speaker 1: heaviness of a certain position groups to stand out, But
Speaker 1: if you just kind of, you know, in your expertise
Speaker 1: here for and the all the knowledge you have of
Speaker 1: past draft classes, how would you say this one stacks up?
Speaker 1: And how would you describe what exactly this draft class offers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a talented class. And while
Speaker 1: there isn't like that sizzle at the top that I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are always looking for and
Speaker 1: you you could argue that I got I get the
Speaker 1: argument there. I still a big believer that there's talent
Speaker 1: and every draft and now it's just up to you
Speaker 1: to be able to find it. Now as all of
Speaker 1: that talent going to go in the first round, is
Speaker 1: all that talent gonna go in the top ten, is
Speaker 1: all that rounte talent gonna go on the first two days. No,
Speaker 1: That's why we have these articles that come out every
Speaker 1: single year that are all, look what's redraft the draft
Speaker 1: from three years ago, and a lot of those guys
Speaker 1: that went in the first round aren't in that draft
Speaker 1: because there's talent and everywhere, And so to me, when
Speaker 1: I look at it, there are a handful of positions
Speaker 1: that are really really fun to study, really really impressive
Speaker 1: in this class. When you talk about the depth through
Speaker 1: round one through round three and then even all the
Speaker 1: way out to round seven, there are gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of those positions where it's like, man, there, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get good players on Day three in this draft,
Speaker 1: and so, um, it's a it's a talented group. I
Speaker 1: will I again, I am not one of the people
Speaker 1: that will say, oh man, this is if you need
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback, this is not the year for that.
Speaker 1: Or if you need a tight end, this is not
Speaker 1: the year for that. I'm a big believer that there
Speaker 1: is talent everywhere and so many That's I think that
Speaker 1: it gets lost often when talking about the NFL and
Speaker 1: while talking about this sport, is that there are very few,
Speaker 1: you know, just transformational system you know, the non system
Speaker 1: dependent players, Guys that you know, they just they drop
Speaker 1: them into any system, any scheme, and they'll find success.
Speaker 1: All of these guys need some kind of support, whether
Speaker 1: it's their usage, the talent around them. So now it's
Speaker 1: about trying to find the best ways to put them
Speaker 1: into into position to succeed. And that's one of the
Speaker 1: things I'm always trying to look for on film is
Speaker 1: what exactly can they bring and what do they need
Speaker 1: to help them reach that seal. It makes sense how
Speaker 1: sometimes the ridge can get richer and kind of continues
Speaker 1: to go that way and the good teams get better
Speaker 1: because they have that system in place to to be
Speaker 1: the right situation for that player. Because we know how
Speaker 1: much the draft depends on situation and where a player
Speaker 1: winds up, so real quick before we do get into
Speaker 1: the tight end preview here for two want to ask
Speaker 1: you about the Dolphins tight end room and really go
Speaker 1: back to last year's draft class because Miami took one
Speaker 1: of the top tight ends in last year's class as
Speaker 1: far as coming off the board, and Hunter Long just
Speaker 1: wanted to get your kind of your your expertise here
Speaker 1: on what his draft profile was to you last year.
Speaker 1: And then I kind of follow up to that about
Speaker 1: you know, so many tight ends seemed to hit their
Speaker 1: stride in year two, year three. What is it about
Speaker 1: that first year for a rookie tight end that makes
Speaker 1: it so challenging to kind of have that major impact
Speaker 1: right away in year one. Well, it's one of those
Speaker 1: positions where you have a very heavy hand in both
Speaker 1: the run game and the past game, and very often
Speaker 1: tight ends in college you're not asked to put your
Speaker 1: hand in the dirt and you're not asked to block
Speaker 1: defensive ends. You're not asked to run a full route tree,
Speaker 1: right So to me, that's one of that was one
Speaker 1: of the big things I liked most about Hunter Long
Speaker 1: at Boston College was like, yeah, like maybe he wasn't
Speaker 1: like the fastest and most explosive athlete, but he had
Speaker 1: experienced a couple of different offensive schemes, was very productive,
Speaker 1: uh and showed that ability to be a very reliable
Speaker 1: pass catcher, but also it was a really competitive blocker.
Speaker 1: And so when you have that dual threat ability as
Speaker 1: a tight end, I think that that's where you really
Speaker 1: bring a lot of value. That's not to say that
Speaker 1: the guys that are great blockers and the new pass
Speaker 1: catchers or the inversary or a great pass catcher and
Speaker 1: winded blocker. That's not to say that those guys don't
Speaker 1: have value, But I think when you have that ability
Speaker 1: to be uh, be across the board, that's what true
Speaker 1: versatility is at that position. It's not just oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you can move this guy all around the formation. Now
Speaker 1: that guy's versatile. That's not versatility. Versatility is coming out
Speaker 1: in twelve personnel, are coming out in eleven personnel, and
Speaker 1: the defense saying, all right, is this gonna be a run?
Speaker 1: Is this gonna be a pass? And we're not. We're
Speaker 1: not quite sure yet based off just the personnel alone.
Speaker 1: And so that was how I kind of viewed Hunter
Speaker 1: Long was that he was one of those guys that
Speaker 1: could do a little bit of everything for you on offense,
Speaker 1: and he did it from a number of alignments with
Speaker 1: Boston College. He played multiple offensive systems that are kind
Speaker 1: of that run heavy scheme that they adapt to, that
Speaker 1: more spread it out recent college style offense we're used to.
Speaker 1: So he got the best of both worlds there, and
Speaker 1: you know that is a perfect kind of lead into
Speaker 1: my my my final question here before I get to
Speaker 1: the draft talk. Friend, I keep teasing it for you.
Speaker 1: I apologize on here, so you're such a draft guy here,
Speaker 1: but I gotta ask about our Dolphins tied end some
Speaker 1: more because I was thinking about when they drafted Hunter Long,
Speaker 1: how well that might pair with a guy like a
Speaker 1: Mike A. Sicky who can do so much across the
Speaker 1: formation in his own right and really kind of play
Speaker 1: that big classic ye down the field. You know, his
Speaker 1: vertical seems stretched, the guy who can flex out and
Speaker 1: play out there as well. Uh, talking about Mike A.
Speaker 1: Sicky and Durham Smith as well, who was also resigned
Speaker 1: this this offseason, I was curious if you could go
Speaker 1: back into your twenty eight teen draft notebook and talk
Speaker 1: about those guys, but also how far they've come as pros. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the big thing is that Kasicki has turned
Speaker 1: into basically what we most of what most people expected
Speaker 1: he would be coming out of Penn State. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was a local kid here, so there was a
Speaker 1: lot of eyes on him. But I think when you
Speaker 1: look at Mike Kisiki, his value was as a long
Speaker 1: strider in the open field, getting down the seam and
Speaker 1: being a factor in the past game. And that's where
Speaker 1: most people were excited for him coming into the NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: And well, that's why he was a second round pick
Speaker 1: right for the Miami Dolphins, was the fact that he
Speaker 1: had that game breaking ability as a pass catcher and
Speaker 1: he could be a factor at all three levels. And
Speaker 1: that's something you're always looking for. To me, what always
Speaker 1: stood out to me about him when you watched Mike
Speaker 1: Kisicki was not only the outstanding test numbers at six
Speaker 1: five and a half under two hundred fifty pounds, he
Speaker 1: was really really long, but he caught damn near everything
Speaker 1: that was throwing his way. I mean, he was just
Speaker 1: so reliable at the catch point. He could clean things
Speaker 1: up as a route runner, he needed to clean things
Speaker 1: up as a blocker. But with a guy that could
Speaker 1: be that three level threat that can impact all three
Speaker 1: levels of the field or you know, at that position,
Speaker 1: that can be tough to find. And so to me
Speaker 1: looking at Mike Kisiki, that was what really stood out
Speaker 1: to me about him and about his game. And I
Speaker 1: can imagine ways that this coaching staff will try and
Speaker 1: use him, especially at the intermediate area of the field.
Speaker 1: He's not that same dual threat guy in terms of
Speaker 1: George Kittle when you talked about what he can bring
Speaker 1: as a blocker, but as a pass catcher, they're gonna
Speaker 1: try and find ways to be able to get him
Speaker 1: the football. Yeah, McDaniel has said as much talking about
Speaker 1: getting him the football in the passing game. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm working on this a little bit of a you know,
Speaker 1: this time of year, we kind of trying to find
Speaker 1: things out right. I was looking at this this kind
Speaker 1: of research project, kind of measuring how separation correlates to
Speaker 1: you know, interceptions that get thrown when you're targeted and
Speaker 1: passer rating and all that fun stuff and gasicky. You know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have the highest separation number, but he has
Speaker 1: a good rack. He has a good passer rating when
Speaker 1: targeted and the balls didn't get picked off very much,
Speaker 1: and that kind of speaks his ability to go open
Speaker 1: catch everything. Just like you mentioned, they're good stuff there.
Speaker 1: Let's take our final break here and come back with
Speaker 1: Fran Duffy here on the Drivetime Podcast with me your
Speaker 1: host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation, and
Speaker 1: we'll preview this year's tight end class. Alright, third and
Speaker 1: final segment here on this edition of the Drivetime Podcast
Speaker 1: with Fran Duffie, my guest from the Philadelphia Eagles podcast Network.
Speaker 1: And how about some draft talk. Finally, this this tight
Speaker 1: end class is a pretty deep one and with the
Speaker 1: Finns first pick at one oh two, I'm curious to
Speaker 1: get a name from you here, Fran, maybe two, maybe
Speaker 1: two or three names that you'd like to see go
Speaker 1: off the board at that spot right at the end
Speaker 1: of the third round. Who might be the best bang
Speaker 1: for your buck at pick one oh two at the
Speaker 1: tight end position. Well, I think it ultimately, and this
Speaker 1: is how it took me is that position. It depends
Speaker 1: on what you're looking for. I think the depth in
Speaker 1: this class is really impressive, and people, especially when you
Speaker 1: talk to people like the fantasy football community, they're not
Speaker 1: super excited about this tight end class because there's not
Speaker 1: that that Mike a Sticky right, There's not that guy
Speaker 1: that you're like, oh man, like this guy could be coming,
Speaker 1: could come in and be a dynamic pass catcher. He's
Speaker 1: proven to do it for you know, multiple seasons to
Speaker 1: college level. He came in, it was dominant right away.
Speaker 1: We had one last year in Kyle Pitts. It looks
Speaker 1: like we're gonna have one next year, at least one
Speaker 1: next year with a Notre Dames Michael Mayer kind of
Speaker 1: being that guy. But this year everybody's looking a's like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, who is that guy who is the
Speaker 1: number one tight end? Again, it comes down to what
Speaker 1: you're looking for. If you're looking for production. Ault Trey
Speaker 1: McBride from Colorado State was as productive as they come.
Speaker 1: I mean he had ninety catches for over eleven yards
Speaker 1: and and only one touchdown this year. But he wins
Speaker 1: the Macky Awards the number one tight end in college football.
Speaker 1: He was an All American, he was the Senior Ball
Speaker 1: tight end of the Week for the national squad. Uh
Speaker 1: And again he's a guy that he's not gonna blow
Speaker 1: you away Athletically. He ran mid four fives, which I
Speaker 1: thought was a little bit better than I expected. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's truly dynamic, but the guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: chip in as a blocker, he catches everything. He's a
Speaker 1: pretty solid route runner. So I think when you're looking
Speaker 1: at not not a guy where you say all that like,
Speaker 1: he's got an A plus physical trait, but he just
Speaker 1: catches everything and he's really tough and competitive. And so
Speaker 1: again that dual threat ability gives you versatility as an
Speaker 1: offensive plate caller. If you're looking for a guy that
Speaker 1: leans more towards pass catching, well, Greg Dulcitch from u C.
Speaker 1: L A. He is more that guy. He's a converted
Speaker 1: wide receiver six ft four, just over two forty pounds.
Speaker 1: He's got that ability to get down the seam and
Speaker 1: in the Pact twelve you see him run away from
Speaker 1: Pete with the ball and without the football. And so
Speaker 1: that was what was really impressive for me. I went
Speaker 1: down to the Senior Ball I thought he had a
Speaker 1: solid week down there in Mobile. He kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me a little bit of like a Tyler Higby when
Speaker 1: he was coming out of Western Kentucky a few years ago.
Speaker 1: Higby has turned into a solid player with the l
Speaker 1: A ramps. And then again, if you want to go
Speaker 1: back the opposite direction, who's the guy that's really dominant
Speaker 1: at the point of attack on the run game and
Speaker 1: maybe untapped as a pass catcher. I think there's a
Speaker 1: handful of options for me. Kate Dotten from Washington really
Speaker 1: stands out six ft five just under pounds. Couldn't take
Speaker 1: part in anything in the pre draft process because of
Speaker 1: an ankle injury that he suffered in November which caused
Speaker 1: him to have surgery, and he missed Combine, he missed
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and right down the line. But I think
Speaker 1: when you look at Otten, he is a tough, competitive blocker.
Speaker 1: You could tell he likes the physical part of the
Speaker 1: football of the game and then also just snatches the
Speaker 1: ball easily away from his frame. He he catches more
Speaker 1: mostly everything throwing his way. He was trusted in pass
Speaker 1: protection one on one against edge rushers in the pack twelve.
Speaker 1: So a guy that can get after it as a blocker.
Speaker 1: He's a really compelled, ditive player in pass protection, catches everything. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's just a guy. I think again, it just kind
Speaker 1: of goes back to McBride, just a well rounded player
Speaker 1: that just gets after it as a blocker. So to me,
Speaker 1: those would be some of the guys that I think
Speaker 1: when you get to that part of the draft that
Speaker 1: start to make sense. I appreciate your approach to kind
Speaker 1: of talking us through. You know what your flavor might
Speaker 1: be in the and the players that match up with that. Accordingly,
Speaker 1: do you think all three of those guys go off
Speaker 1: the board before one oh two? And how many tight
Speaker 1: ends do you think are off the board by the
Speaker 1: time the Dolphins pick make their first pick. I think
Speaker 1: there's a chance that you probably see like a couple
Speaker 1: of those guys off the board you throw in like
Speaker 1: Ohio States Jeremy ruckerd in there. There's been some buzz
Speaker 1: for Virginia's Jelanni Woods, who has been just an otherworldly
Speaker 1: athlete over the course of this pre draft process. He's huge,
Speaker 1: and he only had one year at Virginia where he
Speaker 1: was a high volume pass target. At Oklahoma State for
Speaker 1: the three years prior, he was used more as a blocker,
Speaker 1: was not future featured in that past game, right, So
Speaker 1: I think when you look at his skill set, you
Speaker 1: think that his most productive football might be ahead of him,
Speaker 1: and so You've seen some buzz that he could go
Speaker 1: in that top one area, but I think that you're
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the Dolphins should be
Speaker 1: in good shape. You're looking for a tight end at
Speaker 1: one or two. Uh most I'm thinking maybe two off
Speaker 1: the board. At that point there they should have their pick.
Speaker 1: But what what gets interesting for all those teams that
Speaker 1: are looking for a tight end around that spot is
Speaker 1: that I feel like there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: similarly graded players in that range. Once you get to
Speaker 1: a hundred one fifty one seventy five, you start getting
Speaker 1: to that part of the draft, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: bunch of tight ends going off the board. So, uh,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some talent in that area of the
Speaker 1: draft the shore next week. That's one of the parts
Speaker 1: of the draft that I love the most as as
Speaker 1: trying to figure out which of these positional kind of
Speaker 1: gluts can create either you know, groups of guys to
Speaker 1: fall or maybe guys that should have gone higher fall
Speaker 1: because of the positional value in total. It's fascinating to
Speaker 1: me and that's why I love this part time of
Speaker 1: the year so much, even though we only have four
Speaker 1: draft picks. But speaking of that, three of those come
Speaker 1: on Day three, and fran I'm only gonna ask you
Speaker 1: this because I know you can give me an answer
Speaker 1: on it, but I want to get some variety here
Speaker 1: talking about Day three players. You know, you're trying to
Speaker 1: find guys that can contribute on special teams, Guys that
Speaker 1: can maybe be part of your sub packages. You know,
Speaker 1: a thirtteen personnel package. Come in there, knock someone off
Speaker 1: the football and score a touch down, goal line, whatever
Speaker 1: the case may be. So I'm curious to just kind
Speaker 1: of get a multitude of guys the way you just
Speaker 1: did for potential Day three development guys. Whether it's a
Speaker 1: you know, h back kind of guy that can do
Speaker 1: multiple things. I think the Maryland kid stands out in
Speaker 1: that way. A guy that is that in line blocker,
Speaker 1: a guy that is a potential developmental pass catcher, and
Speaker 1: then who's a guy in this group that also can
Speaker 1: dominate on special teams right away? Yeah, So to me,
Speaker 1: I think when you look at that, when you get
Speaker 1: to day three, uh, it's like you said, you're either
Speaker 1: looking for role players or you're looking for guys that
Speaker 1: have an a trait that are just missing other portions
Speaker 1: of the game and that's why they fell a Day
Speaker 1: three or maybe there's an injury concern or something along
Speaker 1: those lines that causes a guy to fall. So I
Speaker 1: think when you're looking at some of the different body types, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of the pass catcher, you mentioned
Speaker 1: the Maryland kid, that's Chicka Konquo. Uh tested pretty well.
Speaker 1: He went out to the Shine Bowl and had a
Speaker 1: good week out there. He's got four or five speed.
Speaker 1: He's played. He's only played a couple of years at Maryland.
Speaker 1: But this is a guy that had one year of
Speaker 1: really good production and so now you're betting, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is what he can be. Moving forward to Red Church Junior,
Speaker 1: who declared for the draft early at twenty two years old.
Speaker 1: He goes to the Shrine Bowl former wide receivers, only
Speaker 1: been playing tight end for a couple of seasons. Uh.
Speaker 1: Kind of similar to Gilanni Woods from that aspect in
Speaker 1: terms of just the one real year of production. I
Speaker 1: think when you go to in terms of who can
Speaker 1: impact on special teams, there's a handful of those guys
Speaker 1: in this group. I would say, yeah that this guy
Speaker 1: can come in uh. And typically it's the kind of
Speaker 1: the fullback types, and so Miami would be a team
Speaker 1: that I would imagine might be interested in a player
Speaker 1: that has that kind of skill set. So maybe like
Speaker 1: a Connor Hayward from Michigan State who played over four
Speaker 1: hundred snaps on core special teams over the course of
Speaker 1: his career. You can look at Jeremiah Hoff from Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: He played over three hundred snaps of course special teams
Speaker 1: over the course of his career. So those movable like
Speaker 1: kind of fullback h back types, guys that can be
Speaker 1: used as run blockers, but also in the in the
Speaker 1: underneath area. Another guy that I think kind of fits
Speaker 1: in that mold Garrett Prince. He's a little bit older
Speaker 1: and he'll be a twenty four year old rookie from
Speaker 1: U A B a non combined invite. Didn't test as
Speaker 1: well as people thought, but this is a guy that
Speaker 1: can get down the scene. He's really really influid athletically. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's slippery after the catch, was really dynamic with the
Speaker 1: ball in his hands this year as a senior in
Speaker 1: Conference USA. So Garrett Prince one of those guys that
Speaker 1: kind of fits that mold for late in the draft
Speaker 1: that you might look at. I think when you get
Speaker 1: to the early portion of day three. One of those
Speaker 1: combo players that I was talking about earlier that could
Speaker 1: just chip in in a multitude of ways, JAKEO. Ferguson
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin, just under six ft five fifty pounds, really
Speaker 1: experienced player, I mean, thirty six starts in his career,
Speaker 1: ended up with a hundred and forty five catches, was
Speaker 1: with her primary past target for the majority of the
Speaker 1: last two years. So I think when you look at
Speaker 1: Jake Ferguson, not like that a plus athletic trade, but
Speaker 1: a guy that could do a little bit of everything,
Speaker 1: and as we talked about, that can be very valuable
Speaker 1: for an NFL offense. Man. We live in the golden
Speaker 1: era of content. You just got matches for every single
Speaker 1: tight end needs you could possibly have, and a name
Speaker 1: to fit with each of it. Fran That's that's incredible stuff, man,
Speaker 1: And for your efforts, I'll go ahead and send you
Speaker 1: off on this question. And maybe you already mentioned this name,
Speaker 1: but you can repeat it again if you want to.
Speaker 1: Let's say there's one tight end in this class that
Speaker 1: you know he starts to kind of slide into that
Speaker 1: fifties sixty seventy five range and the offense are for
Speaker 1: the sake of the game, they want to go up.
Speaker 1: We'll see if it happens. We have five tight ends
Speaker 1: in the roster that we feel pretty good about I think,
Speaker 1: so we'll see if it happens. But for the sake
Speaker 1: of the game, they're sitting at one O two. This
Speaker 1: name begins to slide in the slide down the draft board.
Speaker 1: Who are you pound the table for to go up
Speaker 1: and get Who's that tight end for you in this
Speaker 1: year's draft class? Yeah, I think that you would make
Speaker 1: the argument. The players that I think you can make
Speaker 1: that argument for would be McBride just because of the
Speaker 1: overall body of work and the versatility. Like we mentioned
Speaker 1: Dulcitch because of what you think he can be is
Speaker 1: maybe that true three level threat at the position. And
Speaker 1: the other guy that we haven't talked about yet and
Speaker 1: I think he deserves to be in this conversation is
Speaker 1: Jeremy Ruckert from Ohio State. UH could not go through
Speaker 1: a very similar to Kay Dodden. Honestly a lot of
Speaker 1: from a skill set standpoint, very very similar to Kay Dodden.
Speaker 1: He's a big body, tight end, he can play in line,
Speaker 1: he can move around the formation. He's gonna be a
Speaker 1: twenty one year old senior, our twenty one year old
Speaker 1: rookie this year coming off his senior campaign. Or look,
Speaker 1: I mean he only finished his career of fifty four catches.
Speaker 1: He was not used as a part of that Ohio
Speaker 1: state offense. And uh, he's a guy who can get
Speaker 1: down this team from a profile standpoint. And again we
Speaker 1: all have the test them to back this up. But
Speaker 1: similar to what George Kittle was coming out of Iowa. Now,
Speaker 1: George Kittle went to the combine and blew the doors
Speaker 1: off the workout right, so he had that in his pocket.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Rucker did not do that. I don't know that
Speaker 1: he's quite that athlete, but I do think he's a
Speaker 1: better athlete than giving credit for. So Rutgert would be
Speaker 1: one of those other guys. I think if you're talking
Speaker 1: about you know, mid day two, that that that kind
Speaker 1: of thing we say, okay, who's that guy that could
Speaker 1: be the first off the board. I think he would
Speaker 1: be in that discussion ot And I think, well, you know,
Speaker 1: if if you were just going off film might be there.
Speaker 1: But with the medical concern with it, you know, coming
Speaker 1: off the ankle surgery and not being able to go
Speaker 1: through the workout. I think that kind of gings him
Speaker 1: a little bit when you're talking about the overall draft
Speaker 1: stats Eagle I and the Sky and the Journey to
Speaker 1: the Draft podcast on the Philadelphia Eagles Podcast Network. He's
Speaker 1: at Eagles XS and O's on Twitter. Fran Duffy, Fran,
Speaker 1: appreciate you everything you do, Man, so much for for
Speaker 1: coming on the podcast here, but also the content you provide.
Speaker 1: Great stuff. And we'll see you again in indian next year.
Speaker 1: I believe that's the plan, man, we will we will
Speaker 1: see out there. Thankfully in Indianapolis they did not move
Speaker 1: the combine, so yeah, at least at least a couple
Speaker 1: more years. I mean, that's the best news of the day.
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Fran, appreciate it, man. Thanks Man, And
Speaker 1: there he goes Fran Duffy from the Philadelphia Eagles Podcast Net.
Speaker 1: We're great stuff there from Fran. And I always appreciate
Speaker 1: when someone can match the speed at which I speak.
Speaker 1: You know, we had been so luck on the podcast
Speaker 1: a couple of times. He certainly can can put the
Speaker 1: put up a test for house fast I talk. I
Speaker 1: think France in that category too, But man, he was
Speaker 1: just dropping knowledge on us there. We appreciate that as
Speaker 1: always as I hope I've learned a lot through this
Speaker 1: process talking to these these fine guests we've had here.
Speaker 1: I hope this case is the same for you guys
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