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Speaker 1: Now your host, Nicole Hutchison.
Speaker 3: What Up, Cowboys Nation, Happy Tuesday.
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Speaker 4: I'm Nicole Hutchinson alongside Ayisha Morrison and Christie Scales in
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Speaker 5: How y'all doing all right? Good?
Speaker 6: Good good?
Speaker 3: That's it great? That's it.
Speaker 7: Two game win streak. Let's go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all sound did you know what got?
Speaker 3: God?
Speaker 5: It's a lot more, it's a lot It's not as
Speaker 5: bad coming through the record, and then when you actually
Speaker 5: scream it at it really Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just feel like y'all need some energy, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm here to bring it.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna bring.
Speaker 5: It all for you guys.
Speaker 4: But first we're gonna run through this update on the
Speaker 4: injuries that Mike McCarthy gave us yesterday, just to real
Speaker 4: fast because the players are off today, so of course
Speaker 4: no practice. Wanya Thomas he had the meniscus issue from
Speaker 4: the game against the Giants, so he'll be out for
Speaker 4: two to three weeks. Ceedee Lamb Mike McCarthy said that
Speaker 4: he will be assessed on Wednesday. Josh Butler, of course
Speaker 4: is done for the season with an ACL injury.
Speaker 5: He will need surgery.
Speaker 4: Tyler Guiden of course suffering the high ankle spraying against
Speaker 4: the Giants, and you remember he was nursing the shoulder injury.
Speaker 8: From previous weeks.
Speaker 4: He will be with the rehab group per Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 4: Zach Martin will get some work in with the rehab
Speaker 4: group on Wednesday. Trayvon Diggs mich McCarthy's hopeful that he
Speaker 4: will be getting in some work this week.
Speaker 8: And Jake Ferguson.
Speaker 4: Michaeccarthy is very optimistic that he is close to be
Speaker 4: coming back. In DeMarcus Lawrence, he said that he has
Speaker 4: to hit another threshold before he comes back per Mike
Speaker 4: McCarthy as well.
Speaker 5: But let's talk about Josh Butler.
Speaker 4: Him coming off of the couple of games that he
Speaker 4: had and then to see his season come to an
Speaker 4: end like that just what kind of a hit is
Speaker 4: this to the secondary?
Speaker 5: Yeah, at this point, I feel like you've gone through
Speaker 5: so much that it's like you just, I don't know,
Speaker 5: we just kind of roll with the punches into the
Speaker 5: end of the year. I mean, it's just unfortunately the
Speaker 5: position group that has just gotten hit when you talk
Speaker 5: about the defensive line and then the secondary. But I
Speaker 5: think it is again just another opportunity for Like we
Speaker 5: saw Josh Butler step up, they were rotating he and
Speaker 5: Israel mccuamo out, So I would assume that maybe well,
Speaker 5: actually no, depending on what happens with Diggs, we don't know,
Speaker 5: but I do think we would see Israel mcwuamoll step
Speaker 5: up and be able to play in that position and
Speaker 5: talked about it is like with the season where it is,
Speaker 5: you know, these guys are playing for you know, they're
Speaker 5: playing for their lives like they are like they're playing
Speaker 5: for you know, obviously for the team, but they're also
Speaker 5: playing to make sure like that they're putting a good
Speaker 5: film on a tape on a film out there. So
Speaker 5: for me, it's just like I'm really hurting for Josh Butler.
Speaker 5: I really simply empathized with him because we got to
Speaker 5: see like that he got a shot, you know, and
Speaker 5: he performed well and I'm sure he's probably he's proud
Speaker 5: of that, but to see it happened that way was
Speaker 5: very disheartening. So wishing him a well recovery.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you knew that it was bad just from the
Speaker 9: sideline perspective, the way that he grasped for that knee
Speaker 9: right away, and it was you knew it wasn't going
Speaker 9: to be good. And you know, we talk about corners,
Speaker 9: but safety as well, you know Marquis Spell and now
Speaker 9: juan Ye Thomas, so the depth there is an issue
Speaker 9: as well. But it would be interesting to see over
Speaker 9: Warrior he'll be able to start working back, you know,
Speaker 9: maybe a couple more weeks before maybe you can see
Speaker 9: him get a couple of games at the end of
Speaker 9: the season and kind of see him later in the year,
Speaker 9: you know what you have with him moving forward. And
Speaker 9: then Hall right, he's already been elevated a couple times,
Speaker 9: so he'll probably be added to the fifty three man
Speaker 9: roster once you have that opening once once Josh is
Speaker 9: put on the IR and then and it was really
Speaker 9: interesting on Thursday because Andrew Booth, who had started a
Speaker 9: game earlier in the year and then basically lost his job.
Speaker 9: He had gotten benched in the second half of the
Speaker 9: game and then didn't really see the field after that.
Speaker 9: He was actually elevated from the practice squad and yet
Speaker 9: declared inactive for the game, so they wasted one of
Speaker 9: his practice squad elevations. But you wonder if he may
Speaker 9: be added to the fifty three man roster as well.
Speaker 5: You think that he's he should be a to the
Speaker 5: fifty three mint roaster.
Speaker 7: Not before Hall.
Speaker 9: The other thing is Hall has well I guess they
Speaker 9: both in a pinch. Hall played inside in the slot,
Speaker 9: particularly in the preseason, and so what I imagine that you
Speaker 9: would have if Digs is not back, your starters would
Speaker 9: be Bland and Lewis on the outside, and then when
Speaker 9: you go into a nickel situation, then Mukuamu would would
Speaker 9: come in in that situation. So we'll see and Hall
Speaker 9: would be the backup.
Speaker 4: It sucks because you really haven't seen a true like
Speaker 4: outside cornerback Tandeon just yet for this team.
Speaker 9: No, and that's what's going to be one of the
Speaker 9: strengths coming in for the season. You know, two real
Speaker 9: ballhawks there, and you know we talk about how it's
Speaker 9: been deficient in terms of the takeaways this year, Well
Speaker 9: you haven't. You didn't have Bland until the last couple
Speaker 9: of games, and then you didn't have him with digs
Speaker 9: and digs as miss time as well. So and you
Speaker 9: haven't had a pass rush to help with the uh
Speaker 9: you know, with the errant throws that those ballhawks can
Speaker 9: pick up. So it's a real domino effect for sure.
Speaker 5: For sure.
Speaker 4: And going back to Josh Butler, I'm looking at his
Speaker 4: contract situation too.
Speaker 5: I believe it ends.
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty six if I'm reading this correctly. So,
Speaker 4: and you always think about like the year that they
Speaker 4: come back, so be next year around this time. Pretty much,
Speaker 4: it sucks and it's unfortunate for him just because like
Speaker 4: he really won't have much time to really show what
Speaker 4: he can do. Granted, you saw what he can do
Speaker 4: the last couple of games, but you haven't you won't
Speaker 4: really get a true, a bigger sample size of what
Speaker 4: he's capable of.
Speaker 5: So I do feel for Josh Butler.
Speaker 4: But moving on to the offensive side of the ball
Speaker 4: and absence of Tyler Guiden going down in the first
Speaker 4: quarter against the Giants, Jim maydoga stepping in and aside
Speaker 4: from that penalty, did.
Speaker 3: Y'all like what y'all saw from Jimmaidoga? You gotta see
Speaker 3: a little bit more what y'all's thoughts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, he's a guy. He looked like a
Speaker 5: guy that hadn't played football in a while, But Truemandoga
Speaker 5: is a veteran. I'm not gonna lie to y'all. I
Speaker 5: think that what I've seen from him specifically in the
Speaker 5: run game is better at left guard, but he is
Speaker 5: a left tackle that can come in and fill in.
Speaker 5: I thought that they did some good things in the
Speaker 5: run game, and he is again he's a little clunky
Speaker 5: because he hasn't played football in a while. But other
Speaker 5: than that clunky, just defeat. Oh okay, you know, just defeat,
Speaker 5: like I feel like. And honestly, I felt like that
Speaker 5: was some of like his little tantrum he was having.
Speaker 5: Whatever he was doing is again like he's his body.
Speaker 5: He probably wants to do certain things, but he can't
Speaker 5: do them just shit, because there is conditioning and being
Speaker 5: an offensive lineman as well, right, And so I think
Speaker 5: that he is, you know, can use this time to
Speaker 5: kind of build what he has and with the absence
Speaker 5: of But I will say I'm not sure if Austin Richards,
Speaker 5: if Austin Richards was healthy, if that wouldn't be Awesome
Speaker 5: Richards out there, because I do feel like Awesome Richards
Speaker 5: shown showed you some things that like, We're like, Okay,
Speaker 5: this guy could possibly be your potential swing because he's
Speaker 5: a draft pick. He's not some guy that they just
Speaker 5: picked up, you know what I'm saying. And I know
Speaker 5: that they paid too many Doga, but what I think
Speaker 5: that they brought in Tuma to help with the transition
Speaker 5: for Awesome as he developed. So to me, I do
Speaker 5: think that Austoin Richards may have had the shot. But
Speaker 5: Tuma's out there right now and he seems to have
Speaker 5: a good feel for what they're doing in the run game.
Speaker 5: He's not bad against the past either.
Speaker 4: But do you feel like if well not if when
Speaker 4: Ausome gets healthy again, you feel like it'll just be
Speaker 4: a Tyler Guidon Awesome Richard's situation.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we can't forget about it, and it
Speaker 5: was brought to my attention the other day. We can't
Speaker 5: forget about Nathan Thomas out of a Louisiana left tackle.
Speaker 5: I believe he was dealing with the foot. It wasn't
Speaker 5: plantar fasciata, it was something else. And this is a
Speaker 5: guy that you know, again another draft pick, a lower
Speaker 5: round draft pick. But I think that he when you
Speaker 5: go look at his tape, I think that he went
Speaker 5: as low as he did because of competition and man,
Speaker 5: because when you watch him play, you see a guy
Speaker 5: that can get active in the run game, can get
Speaker 5: out in space. You see a guy that has some
Speaker 5: nasty to him as well. Like at training camp, I
Speaker 5: didn't see him. I didn't see that much from him
Speaker 5: in training camp. But I do think that they thought
Speaker 5: he was a guy that could come in and help
Speaker 5: boost them physically in the run game. He also had
Speaker 5: no he had his senior year, he had no holds
Speaker 5: like this is also a clean player, So I feel
Speaker 5: like he has value. We just didn't get to see him.
Speaker 5: So I do think that those guys will maybe be
Speaker 5: what they're trying to develop into future.
Speaker 9: You know guys totally agree with that. Because Chimaduga was
Speaker 9: signed to a one year deal, so he's not signed
Speaker 9: after this year now. He was I think one of
Speaker 9: those bridge kind of guys. But but let me let
Speaker 9: me ask you, guys, if you know that Guiitan's gonna
Speaker 9: miss multiple weeks and you know you don't have awesome
Speaker 9: Richards and you know right now it's gonna be Tuma
Speaker 9: Adoga and then the backup is Matt will let's go
Speaker 9: because Nathan's not ready to come back. He's still on
Speaker 9: ir Do you leave Tyler Smith at left guard or
Speaker 9: do you kick him out to left tackle like you
Speaker 9: did against Detroit this week, m H for the next
Speaker 9: few weeks.
Speaker 5: I think I just you rolle with Tuma. I think
Speaker 5: you wrote with Chuma. Tuma is again. I think he
Speaker 5: is a left tackle in the NFL. Like, he's not
Speaker 5: gonna he's not super flash or anything, but he's gonna
Speaker 5: get the job done. He's not gonna get you killed,
Speaker 5: besides some of the communication things we've seen in the past,
Speaker 5: but other than that, Like he's he's gonna go play
Speaker 5: the position to the best of his ability. And he's
Speaker 5: a veteran and he has some savvy to him and
Speaker 5: that's just you respect that. And so to me, he's
Speaker 5: gonna get the shot because he is. He also too
Speaker 5: is the same. He's the safer option as well. Given
Speaker 5: this point, I Matt will let's go. I'm not sure.
Speaker 7: He's the swing.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure about in the slightest. So yeah, it's
Speaker 5: it's gonna be chimy dog, and you keep Tyler at
Speaker 5: left guard.
Speaker 4: To me, so you're asking if you should switch Tyler guid,
Speaker 4: I'm Tyler Smith and Chuma And.
Speaker 7: Do you entertain the deal?
Speaker 9: Do you entertain the notion of taking Tyler Smith and
Speaker 9: having him play left tackle and Tuma.
Speaker 7: Or I would say t J Bass play left guard.
Speaker 9: That's to win if you if you trying to and
Speaker 9: I'm trying to win.
Speaker 7: I'm trying to win.
Speaker 5: If you're trying to win, I'm not.
Speaker 9: Interested right now until you're mathematically eliminated. I'm not worried
Speaker 9: about developing right now. I'm trying to win.
Speaker 5: You better what Tyler Schmith guard? I was gonna go opposite.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, Tyler Smith, just hear me out,
Speaker 4: try it out.
Speaker 3: Why not not against the Bengals? Well, actually you could
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 7: Well, here's there's.
Speaker 9: The thing against the Bengals, because the Bengals have Trey Hendrickson,
Speaker 9: who is a fine, fine players rush, which is why.
Speaker 4: I'm saying you can switch Tyler Smith out left tackle.
Speaker 4: Have Tuma play left guard only because seeing Chuma adoga
Speaker 4: out on the island by himself, he's getting whooped his feet.
Speaker 8: His feet are slow.
Speaker 3: Like it's the feet.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, it's the feet. His feet just don't move.
Speaker 5: And like in the run game, he's not. I don't
Speaker 5: feel like he's a little clunky, but I don't feel
Speaker 5: like it's like all terrible. But it's that passing game
Speaker 5: where his feet, like him getting out of his kick,
Speaker 5: it's just not there. And again to be expected, he
Speaker 5: hasn't played, but he also had a foot injury. Yes,
Speaker 5: so he has the plan.
Speaker 7: Dislocated toe, Yes.
Speaker 5: Like he has the plan, and like be comfortable with that.
Speaker 5: That's not something that you're just gonna be able to
Speaker 5: do right away.
Speaker 4: But then why not to take the easier not easier
Speaker 4: way out, but like to take less stress off of
Speaker 4: the foot having to do too much work, put him
Speaker 4: in a left guard.
Speaker 7: I think it'd be TJ.
Speaker 5: Bass, Yeah, it'll be TJ.
Speaker 10: Bas.
Speaker 5: I just think I think I think you could roll
Speaker 5: with I think you could. I think you keep Tyler
Speaker 5: Smith that guard. And I and I say that just
Speaker 5: because I understand that he has value as a flex player,
Speaker 5: and it's beautiful and it's dope, but I also think that,
Speaker 5: like he needs to be able to flourish at a
Speaker 5: specific position, and you know, like it is a totally
Speaker 5: different thing. And not only that, he is coming off
Speaker 5: of an injury. And to me, it's like when you're
Speaker 5: talking about kicking being on an island, Like you're talking
Speaker 5: about him switching from doing guard stuff to having to
Speaker 5: do that. I'm not sure if that's healthy for him.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about him. He's gonna do it because he's
Speaker 5: that type of worker, but I don't know. I feel
Speaker 5: like he deserves We've been flip flopping him all this time.
Speaker 5: And I know that you should be able. I know
Speaker 5: people want to be able to do that in their
Speaker 5: offensive line. But I'm like, let's think about his development
Speaker 5: as well. So it's gonna be chuning, y'all. And if
Speaker 5: it gets bad enough, like if Trey over are whooping people,
Speaker 5: then they I would assume they would make the switch.
Speaker 5: They would put TJ. Bass back at left guard, and
Speaker 5: they would kick Tyler if it gets rough like that.
Speaker 5: I think they do that. I'm not sure they do
Speaker 5: it as the starting game plan.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but she's like, I know, the thing is if
Speaker 9: you're even thinking about it, and it is Trey Hendrickson. Yeah,
Speaker 9: so this this is a tough matchup against this past rusher.
Speaker 9: Don't you want to give him the snaps in practice?
Speaker 7: Tyler?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Whoever is playing there.
Speaker 5: Quiet has kept they probably they might be already. They
Speaker 5: told us that they have told us that they do
Speaker 5: different rotations and things like that because stuff happens in game,
Speaker 5: so I wouldn't be surprised if they were doing it
Speaker 5: in the first place. But I do think to your point, Christy,
Speaker 5: I do think that it is a conversation I have
Speaker 5: about what's and how much you want to win.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: The other thing is you have an extra day of
Speaker 9: practice this week, basically with the Monday night game. So
Speaker 9: not only do you have the many by coming off
Speaker 9: the Thanksgiving day game, but you you essentially have an
Speaker 9: extra practice this week to acclimate someone to acclimate.
Speaker 7: I really don't know.
Speaker 9: And that's why I pose the question, but I'll just
Speaker 9: say it intrigues me.
Speaker 5: It does as well. Do you just talk about my
Speaker 5: football brand? Because I wouldn't think like that. I thought
Speaker 5: there's gone roll out there.
Speaker 7: You're probably right You're probably.
Speaker 9: Right, but I'm just kind of a noodle in here
Speaker 9: since we're being creative here.
Speaker 4: I actually listened into the break yesterday and I love
Speaker 4: the fact that they brought up this conversation because now
Speaker 4: I want to hear y'all's thoughts about brock Kaufman. You've
Speaker 4: seen what he's able to do at the right guard
Speaker 4: position filling in for Zach Martin. One of the questions
Speaker 4: that Derek Eagles and shout out to him our boss,
Speaker 4: he had posed the question of to get the success
Speaker 4: or to the lead to the Cowboys success for the
Speaker 4: rest of the season, do you roll with a healthy
Speaker 4: brock Kaufman or do you prefer injured Zach Martin?
Speaker 9: And let me let me just say that in the NFL,
Speaker 9: there's hurt and there's injured.
Speaker 7: Fact two different things.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 9: Injured you don't play hurt. Different degrees of hurt and
Speaker 9: a lot of it in the NFL is pain tolerance.
Speaker 9: And if Zach Martin is healthy enough to play, he plays.
Speaker 7: That's that's my thought on it. But but you also don't.
Speaker 9: Need to rush him back, absolutely, and he knows his
Speaker 9: body better than anybody else. And I think that he
Speaker 9: you know, he whether he's going to play beyond these
Speaker 9: this year or not. Probably not. I don't know for
Speaker 9: sure one way or the other. But I know that
Speaker 9: if he's healthy enough to play, he wants to play.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but what do you think? Yeah? But yeah, but no, no, no,
Speaker 5: there's no But I just again, this is one of
Speaker 5: those delicate things in football where this is a tenured, proven,
Speaker 5: honorable player, hall of famer that you want to respect
Speaker 5: and you want and he I'm sure wants to whether
Speaker 5: it's finishing his career or not, finish with respect, and
Speaker 5: unfortunately he has got hit with the injury bug. I'm
Speaker 5: always gonna say, you go with the healthy player, because
Speaker 5: it's just you could see it, and even in his
Speaker 5: movements and some of the things he was doing. Now,
Speaker 5: if he feels better, if he feels better, if he's
Speaker 5: if he's hurt, absolutely, if he's injured, you go with
Speaker 5: the healthier player, because again, his life is going to
Speaker 5: continue after football. These gentlemen finished these careers young, very true,
Speaker 5: so you don't want to and it's a tough thing,
Speaker 5: like I'm sure like he don't. He probably want to
Speaker 5: be out there. I'm sure he does, but at the
Speaker 5: same time, it's one of those things where it's like, hey,
Speaker 5: he got kiddos, he got other stuff going on. Like,
Speaker 5: if he is gonna be making that transition, you want
Speaker 5: him to do that healthily and that transition to be
Speaker 5: smooth for him, and it not be because he further
Speaker 5: injured himself because it's so cool to be gritty make
Speaker 5: Gritzter's no, Like, this is a human being. So however
Speaker 5: they decide to do it, I'll be respectful of it.
Speaker 5: But I definitely think that brock Hoffman right now being
Speaker 5: healthy is the better option. If he is.
Speaker 3: And this is again no slack to Zach Martin.
Speaker 4: This is a nine time Pro Bowl or future Hall
Speaker 4: of Famer, Like Christy said, I mean, he's had a
Speaker 4: lot of success with the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: But I do agree with you.
Speaker 4: Just rolling with Brack Coffin for now, just because you
Speaker 4: don't want to rush him back and that's just something
Speaker 4: that you just don't want to do. All Right, We're
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Speaker 4: Bengals in a Monday night football match up. The Cowboys
Speaker 4: lead the overall series ten to four against the Bengals.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go to you Christy first, because it is
Speaker 4: Christie's classroom. For a second, one, what do you remember
Speaker 4: about the first and only time the Cowboys have played
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I remember.
Speaker 9: It was early in the season and the one of
Speaker 9: the punts hit the scoreboard, the overhead digital board, and
Speaker 9: the officials didn't see it, So I don't you know,
Speaker 9: you just remember crazy things like that. But the other
Speaker 9: thing is the only time that the Cowboys have played
Speaker 9: Joe Burrow, the opposing quarterback was Cooper Rush. Because this
Speaker 9: was the game where Dak had gotten hurt in the
Speaker 9: season opener, and Cooper Rush had to come in and
Speaker 9: the Cowboys actually won the game. Brett Maher kicked a
Speaker 9: fifty yard field goal as time expired, and the Cooper
Speaker 9: Rush led Cowboys beat Joe Burrow twenty to seventeen. And
Speaker 9: that was a big game for Noah Brown. That was
Speaker 9: kind of his coming out party. He had a touchdown catch,
Speaker 9: He had a big catch in the fourth quarter. What
Speaker 9: had happened was the Bengals had rallied in midway through
Speaker 9: the fourth quarter. They scored a touchdown and then a
Speaker 9: two point conversion to tie it up, and then the
Speaker 9: Cowboys had the ball late and Cooper Rush led him
Speaker 9: down close enough for ma Her to kick the game winner.
Speaker 9: So yeah, it was really great because that was the
Speaker 9: year where Cooper Rush went what four and one filling
Speaker 9: in for Dak. So everyone was so excited. It's like, oh,
Speaker 9: maybe the season isn't over with Dak being out and
Speaker 9: missing several weeks. The other thing was the Bengals were
Speaker 9: coming off They had gone to the Super Bowl the
Speaker 9: year before, so they were the defending AFC champs. The
Speaker 9: other the other thing that really stood out in my
Speaker 9: mind is Joe Burrow. There were so many people down
Speaker 9: on the field before the game, and instead of watching
Speaker 9: the Cowboys warming up, everyone was focused on Joe Burrow,
Speaker 9: the star power that that kid has, and so many
Speaker 9: people wearing purple because every LSU fan in you know,
Speaker 9: the tri state area was there, and I think that
Speaker 9: there are gonna there's gonna be a lot of purple
Speaker 9: and the stands on Monday as well, people who are
Speaker 9: big Joe Burrow fans. But just it was electric around him.
Speaker 9: And we're kind of immune to it because back in
Speaker 9: the days of the Triplets or even with Romo, or
Speaker 9: when t O or Dez would be out there and
Speaker 9: certainly Zeke and Dak, you know, you're used to all
Speaker 9: that focus being on these Cowboys players. But for it
Speaker 9: to be on somebody else and just the the cool
Speaker 9: Joe you know, oh man, oh they do and and
Speaker 9: it really won't say it shocked me, but just the
Speaker 9: the charis, the excitement, you could really feel it.
Speaker 4: I covered him in LSU when they won the national
Speaker 4: championship that year in twenty nineteen, and let me tell you,
Speaker 4: the people in LSU absolutely.
Speaker 5: Well he was awesome him. Hete he's phenomenal, the weapons
Speaker 5: on that team. It was about him, but also to
Speaker 5: I mean, the man the guys says the chase come
Speaker 5: on that team was unfair. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: That's the perfect way to use if you were to
Speaker 4: describe that team. But no, you look at the Bengals
Speaker 4: right now, four and eight, fresh off their sixth loss,
Speaker 4: allowing twenty five points or more, the Cowboys walking in
Speaker 4: as six point underdogs at home. Even despite winning their
Speaker 4: first game at home.
Speaker 3: Against the Giants. The Bengals have.
Speaker 4: Lost three straight by total of fourteen points. They've also
Speaker 4: scored ninety nine points.
Speaker 5: In their losses. They're very confounding.
Speaker 4: Bengals are not a reflection of their record at all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, their offense isn't. Their offense is explosive and unpredict
Speaker 5: the ball in a sense. I was looking at them
Speaker 5: briefly last night. Sorry, oh no, no, no, I'm just kinda no, no, no, no, yet,
Speaker 5: we're not doing no Zach Taylor. Their OC is very
Speaker 5: creative and how he sets up the run to you know,
Speaker 5: to open up the pass and vice versa, and just
Speaker 5: the usage of his different players. I was just looking
Speaker 5: at some of their fronts, how they run the ball
Speaker 5: and the creativity and that where he really gets you
Speaker 5: looking one way and it's not super misdirectionally like a
Speaker 5: whole bunch of motion at the line of scrimmage. It's
Speaker 5: a no, like it looks like we're going to have
Speaker 5: we're gonna zone block right here, but we're really about
Speaker 5: to come around the outside and down like it's it's
Speaker 5: And I think that Eric Kendricks is a guy you
Speaker 5: know that will be able to read this stuff. But
Speaker 5: they really sell their fakes too. If you watch them,
Speaker 5: like their fakes are legit, where they you really think
Speaker 5: they running back. It was a couple of times I
Speaker 5: was like, dang, why did he tackle? Oh that was
Speaker 5: a good fake crying. I'll be lefing at myself sometimes. Girl,
Speaker 5: film be funny if you watch some of those, buddy,
Speaker 5: be like, what are you doing right here? Anyway? Yes,
Speaker 5: this offensive line for Cincinnati has gotten a fair share
Speaker 5: of Rick Kule and things like that, but they have
Speaker 5: cleaned up, especially in the last three weeks, the amount
Speaker 5: of pressure and stuff they are allowing. They're still they
Speaker 5: have some young guys on this offensive line. Orlando Brown
Speaker 5: is the left tackle for them. He has some experience,
Speaker 5: he's pretty respected through the league. I'll give him that
Speaker 5: Mary's Mems on the right side, a rookie right tackle
Speaker 5: that a lot of people had a lot of opinions
Speaker 5: about coming out the draft because of his lack of experience.
Speaker 5: He is getting his feet wet, to say the least.
Speaker 7: That's a nice way to say.
Speaker 5: Yes, he's getting his feet wet, just like Tyler Goyton,
Speaker 5: just like some of these other like this is a
Speaker 5: learning period time. But I will say I just their
Speaker 5: offense is it is confus us because they also have
Speaker 5: times in games where they don't look like that team
Speaker 5: and that's why they are losing some of these close games.
Speaker 5: They have lapses of penalties and there's a couple of
Speaker 5: times again these young tackles will get a holding and
Speaker 5: stuff like that. Very so much of the Cowboys where
Speaker 5: they're driving, they're trying to figure things out. But yeah,
Speaker 5: the the weaponry on that side this Cowboys defense is
Speaker 5: gonna be tested. Sister, I know you was looking like that.
Speaker 4: What's something that what's an offensive line from this season
Speaker 4: that you feel has done similar things that they do
Speaker 4: As far as.
Speaker 3: The confusion the Cowboys have faced.
Speaker 4: And it may not be anybody I'm just no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: you're you're you're right.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think that they can.
Speaker 3: Kind of look back to on the film and say, all.
Speaker 5: Right, let me go like a comparison, I'm let me
Speaker 5: go look at some of their games they play. I
Speaker 5: can give you a better like I need to see,
Speaker 5: like who y'all have been playing? Uh, let me look.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't be the Giants? No, absolutely not, please false.
Speaker 9: I mean, like, you know, Detroit, you could argue has
Speaker 9: probably the best offensive line. But I don't know that
Speaker 9: they really like fool anybody. I mean, they can just
Speaker 9: like punch you in the mouth.
Speaker 5: I would say close, A close comparison might be Yeah,
Speaker 5: might be New Orleans. New Orleans isn't as Again, I
Speaker 5: still think New Orleans is more pre snap like Super
Speaker 5: frinchis Schmucher Schmunchers. Yeah, this is not like that. Their
Speaker 5: they're run, they're running. Blocking scheme is very much so
Speaker 5: just like counting on your eyes looking somewhere else. Because
Speaker 5: Burrow is not super mobile, so you can't sell the
Speaker 5: RPO like but he can be. Yes, he can run
Speaker 5: if he if he needs to be, but that's just
Speaker 5: not mostly his game. They're not trying to sell you
Speaker 5: the r PO. They're really trying to sell you like,
Speaker 5: oh you think that you think that I'm giving to
Speaker 5: giving the ball to the tight end right here. No,
Speaker 5: I'm actually slipping back door to a running back and
Speaker 5: your guy is out of his lane because they also
Speaker 5: line up to They line up to where you're out wide.
Speaker 5: They try to kick you and get you out of
Speaker 5: get you out the way. So the Cowboys defensive ends
Speaker 5: are going to have to play smart and not get
Speaker 5: caught on the outside because this offensive line wants to
Speaker 5: get to the second level. They want to get to
Speaker 5: the outside. They're not alike, run at you straight up
Speaker 5: the gut type offensive line. No, they want to be
Speaker 5: able to attack you on the outside and also to
Speaker 5: they use that to help their pass to which is lethal. Also,
Speaker 5: Lord have mercy, who plant corner this week?
Speaker 4: Hopefully a snapcount some stress, stop asking questions.
Speaker 7: Here's something.
Speaker 9: The offense is not the problem for the Bengals. They're
Speaker 9: four and eight, but they are one of the top
Speaker 9: scoring teams in the league. They're averaging twenty eight points
Speaker 9: per game. Okay, I'm rounding up the seven nine.
Speaker 7: Here's the thing.
Speaker 9: They're averaging twenty seven point nine points per game. That's wonderful.
Speaker 9: The problem is their defense is giving up twenty eight
Speaker 9: point three. Their defense is surrendering way too many points.
Speaker 9: In fact, I'm at it, I'm gonna do Let's use
Speaker 9: thirty three points as the.
Speaker 3: Mark.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that's that is tremendous.
Speaker 9: If you score thirty three points in a game, fantastic
Speaker 9: The Cowboys.
Speaker 7: Excuse me.
Speaker 9: The Bengals have done it six times in twelve games.
Speaker 9: At their games, they have reached at least thirty three points,
Speaker 9: and they are two and four. They have lost four
Speaker 9: games when scoring thirty four points.
Speaker 5: That crazy.
Speaker 9: The rest of the league only fifty only fifty three games.
Speaker 9: Everybody else combined all thirty one other teams have reached
Speaker 9: thirty three points only fifty three times. They are fifty
Speaker 9: two to one the Cowboys. The Cowboys have reached thirty
Speaker 9: three points or more only twice, back in Week one
Speaker 9: at Cleve when the road win, and by the way,
Speaker 9: part of that came from Cavante Turpin's punt return. And
Speaker 9: then that crazy ending in Washington two weeks ago, a
Speaker 9: week and a half ago, whenever it was with all
Speaker 9: the points in the fourth quarter. That was the two
Speaker 9: kickoff returns.
Speaker 5: But you said, lady, the Cowboys got a score point.
Speaker 7: So I'm telling you that that.
Speaker 9: Yeste Turpin and the only The Cowboys are averaging twenty
Speaker 9: point nine points, barely over twenty points a game. And
Speaker 9: if you take away the overshown interception return for a touchdown,
Speaker 9: if you take away Turpins two, the punt and the
Speaker 9: kickoff return, and if you take away je Ye Thomas's
Speaker 9: kickoff return, it's more.
Speaker 7: Like eighteen points a game.
Speaker 9: So yeah, Luckily these games aren't played on paper, because
Speaker 9: on paper it ain't looking good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, oh goodness. And here's the thing is,
Speaker 5: like the Cowboys have had trouble in the red zone.
Speaker 5: They have gotten there. They just make mistakes. They're making
Speaker 5: they're getting trips down there. They're just settling for three.
Speaker 7: What's working?
Speaker 5: Now, this is not the way to do that. I
Speaker 5: actually want to go look. Get a look at their
Speaker 5: red zone defense. I'm looking at the wrong I'm good.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: You look at Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't say anything about.
Speaker 4: Their offense because Joe Burrow first and passing yards yards
Speaker 4: per game, passing touchdowns, third and QBR, fourth and passer rating.
Speaker 7: I mean just Pike dropped like that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And it's not and it's not like they're playing
Speaker 9: from behind and he's amassing a lot of numbers in
Speaker 9: garbage time.
Speaker 7: It's not that at all.
Speaker 5: These are very.
Speaker 9: Competitive games and finding creative ways to give it up
Speaker 9: at the end and allow that. That Pittsburgh game on Sunday, Man,
Speaker 9: if you have uh, you know, the NFL game pass,
Speaker 9: go back and watch it. That's a heck of a
Speaker 9: fun game to watch, unless you're a Bengals fan, because
Speaker 9: there have just been so many games this year where
Speaker 9: they should have they should have it and they're not
Speaker 9: killing themselves with penalties. They're like the third least penalized
Speaker 9: team in the league. Yeah, or second least penalized team in.
Speaker 5: The league, define five. Yeah, it's the timing of it's
Speaker 5: the timing of them at times for me, and like
Speaker 5: just some of the like there's times I was watching
Speaker 5: the Steelers game where as far as the defense, they're
Speaker 5: communicating so late into the clock, Like I just think,
Speaker 5: I don't know if they have gotten some new things
Speaker 5: going on there, like if they're a new coach, because
Speaker 5: I feel like since these teams for and That's why
Speaker 5: I'm confused because since these defense I felt like had
Speaker 5: some discipline to them for a while, like them trips
Speaker 5: to the Super Bowl. Yes, like they were scoring points,
Speaker 5: but also to that defense was was coming away with
Speaker 5: takeaways and playing tough for them. And so I wonder,
Speaker 5: like what changes have happened, particularly or if there's been
Speaker 5: any changes, because the offense is doing pretty much all
Speaker 5: that they can, Like you can't. They have lost three
Speaker 5: of their four last games. They have averaged thirty five
Speaker 5: points in those games. What yeah that possible? Like and
Speaker 5: that's all. The whole thing is a bit confusing and
Speaker 5: not confusing in the sense of like when I watch
Speaker 5: their defense, they have guys. They're not some just without
Speaker 5: talent defense, it's just you can get them. Like there's
Speaker 5: the when you talk about the discipline side of things,
Speaker 5: like their eye discipline at times is atrocious.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you something, Do y'all think that with
Speaker 4: the way that this defense, the Cowboys defense has been
Speaker 4: playing the past couple of weeks, is enough to slow
Speaker 4: down this Bengals offense.
Speaker 9: Who's playing right? Seriously, who's playing in the secondary?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean, now there's parts of their offensive line
Speaker 5: that you can attack. I do think this is Dallas
Speaker 5: offensive line. And the pro about this Sincy offense is
Speaker 5: that they are gonna they rely on passing the ball
Speaker 5: like they will run the ball Situationally, I'm not saying
Speaker 5: that that's not something that they do, but they have
Speaker 5: a lot of weapons to pass the ball, and that's
Speaker 5: they understand. That's their strength. That's fine that your strength
Speaker 5: on your defense right now is your pass rush. It's
Speaker 5: not that many strengths. That is one of them. You
Speaker 5: can get after the quarterback. So I feel like it
Speaker 5: does kind of not even out, but you do give
Speaker 5: your yourself a shot with being able to pass rush
Speaker 5: against these gentlemen. I'm I'm a little straining to lie.
Speaker 5: I'm like Christie, I'm a little stressed out about it
Speaker 5: because they can get going very quickly with how they
Speaker 5: can put up points as well.
Speaker 4: Chase Brown, they're running back. What does he do well?
Speaker 4: What doesn't he do well?
Speaker 5: What you got, Christie?
Speaker 7: Well, Zach, They he's actually their backup.
Speaker 9: But then their starter went on ir and so man,
Speaker 9: he was running free at times and against Pittsburgh's really
Speaker 9: you know, that's that's a tough team to run against
Speaker 9: at times, and so I think he's impressive. Don't know
Speaker 9: how much they're gonna work to him throwing the ball
Speaker 9: out of the back, but man, he's one of these
Speaker 9: guys that in space it can be kind of scary.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what. That's one of the things that I
Speaker 5: was looking at. Like, again, don't get a we haven't
Speaker 5: got a huge sample size of him. I feel like
Speaker 5: he's played well considering and I don't think that. I
Speaker 5: think they do like using him as a receiver though,
Speaker 5: And that's one of the things I was talking about,
Speaker 5: is the fact that like, yeah, he's shifting in and
Speaker 5: out open field. I like the way that he accelerates.
Speaker 5: That's one of my favorite things about running backs is
Speaker 5: like when they accelerate, because it is a timing thing
Speaker 5: to know. I think he understands when to accelerate, and
Speaker 5: that terrifies me, but I will say I that's he
Speaker 5: I think he kind of unlocks some of that for them.
Speaker 5: Is the receiving thing, and so they've been using him
Speaker 5: out the backfield, setting up screens for him, doing stuff
Speaker 5: like that. But they really are selling play action with
Speaker 5: him as well, and it works because they think people
Speaker 5: understand that this is a guy that can be damaging
Speaker 5: to an extent in the open field. This Chase Brown.
Speaker 5: This is Sidney Brown's brother. That just hit me. Sidney
Speaker 5: Brown is a I think he's a safety for the
Speaker 5: Philadelphia Eagles. He and his brother played together at Illinois.
Speaker 11: Though.
Speaker 5: That defense was stellar that year, really really really hard
Speaker 5: hitting defense, and that just reminded.
Speaker 3: Me I.
Speaker 5: Met them at the combine. They're really kind, Yes, very kind.
Speaker 5: They just hit me, like, oh, I know this human's
Speaker 5: face because I only se him what their helmets on.
Speaker 4: I don't think he'll be kind.
Speaker 5: He's probably not. But how do you think the Cowboys
Speaker 5: have defended the run as of Lake?
Speaker 7: It's not perfect, so much better?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, for sure, I'm not as terrified.
Speaker 4: But it goes back to what you're saying about the
Speaker 4: small sample size when you haven't seen much of what
Speaker 4: he can really do.
Speaker 5: That it's unscouted looks. Yeah, this Cowboys defense, I mean
Speaker 5: he has sixty d's on the year. I mean that's
Speaker 5: I don't think that that's a small feat. But I
Speaker 5: will say the thing about it, though, that we're not
Speaker 5: talking about, is you guys mentioned it before. It's Burrow.
Speaker 5: It's his ability like the one thing the Cowboys have
Speaker 5: not done well and they haven't had to deal with
Speaker 5: too many mobile quarterbacks as of late, but like like
Speaker 5: like super shifty mobile quarterbacks, they are not containing well.
Speaker 5: And so to me, like to y'all's point earlier, Joe
Speaker 5: Burrow is a guy like the footwork in the pocket
Speaker 5: is insane right now. He is sliding, stepping up in
Speaker 5: the pocket, making seeing that field see yes, seeing that
Speaker 5: field open up, and throwing dimes. So for you, when
Speaker 5: you talk about the secondary being compromised, it's also like
Speaker 5: these baby, are y'all gonna play man? Y'all gonna play zone?
Speaker 5: Because I feel like he's gonna hold.
Speaker 7: Trump, mix it up.
Speaker 5: I'm sure girl like this man and your backs turned
Speaker 5: to him. He's taking off. So I wonder if you
Speaker 5: do say to Marian, I need you to keep an
Speaker 5: eye on this human because that has been a problem
Speaker 5: for the Cowboys. I feel like even in some of
Speaker 5: these games like that, the quarterbacks are just slipping through.
Speaker 5: It happened last week, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, just
Speaker 5: slipping through and getting big chunk yardists and sliding all hands.
Speaker 5: Saw that from Jayden Daniels. Yes, a lot sliding all
Speaker 5: happy and stuff. Drew Locke did it too. Like that
Speaker 5: was that was shut down was the fact that they
Speaker 5: lost contained and he slipped up there. So it's like
Speaker 5: Bes obviously be concnizant of Chase Brown and well he
Speaker 5: could do in the open field. But that gazelle over there,
Speaker 5: dang all tall and stuff, he do like a gazelle.
Speaker 3: I'm crying.
Speaker 5: All right, we're gonna take our second break.
Speaker 3: We gotta go in a few minutes. Up next, we'll
Speaker 3: be still talking about this defense.
Speaker 4: We're gonna stick to the pass rush and see the
Speaker 4: opportunities that they will have against this Bengals offensive line.
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Speaker 4: The Cowboys have been plus two and turnover differential.
Speaker 5: Who that word?
Speaker 3: Gets me every time.
Speaker 4: The last two games, what opportunities we'll be there to
Speaker 4: create takeaways for this defense against Cincinnati.
Speaker 5: Lord Amanda'll be turning the ball over like that.
Speaker 3: If I was gonna say force fumbles, maybe.
Speaker 5: That's the only that's the only way you're gonna get
Speaker 5: it to me. Because he's accuracy, y'all. He throwing that ball.
Speaker 5: Only his guys can get it. Yeah, yeah, he plans.
Speaker 5: That's good for Yeah.
Speaker 9: And the thing is you talk about with the running
Speaker 9: and you're right, you know, if you if it's man
Speaker 9: to man or you're not disciplined with your you know,
Speaker 9: controlling the gaps on your pass rush, it can hurt
Speaker 9: you down the field. But really it's it's more with
Speaker 9: the intent to pass the ball, right, And so they
Speaker 9: talk about in the NFL about two point three seconds,
Speaker 9: and so when you when if you affect a quarterback
Speaker 9: with the pass rush and he's moving around in the
Speaker 9: pocket or moving around outside and buying time, then that's
Speaker 9: very difficult for the defensive backs. I mean, you've got
Speaker 9: t Higgins and Jamar Chase and these guys that you're
Speaker 9: chasing around, uh, just trying to stick with and for beyond.
Speaker 7: Two point three seconds.
Speaker 9: Good luck with that, So that that's what's worrisome. So
Speaker 9: the thing is they're the Bengals are middle of the
Speaker 9: pack in terms of sacks allowed. They've allowed thirty. That's
Speaker 9: right in the middle of the NFL. So you can
Speaker 9: get to them, but you can't yet in terms of
Speaker 9: just pinning your ears back and going. You still have
Speaker 9: to maintain that discipline of the rush lanes.
Speaker 4: Who do you feel like will get the most pressures.
Speaker 9: Probably Micah And I'm sorry, oh okay, no, just because
Speaker 9: I think that they would move him around right and
Speaker 9: and give him some opportunities there. Hey, I wouldn't mind
Speaker 9: seeing uh demo, you know, send marve on on some
Speaker 9: some blitzes.
Speaker 5: I'll be looking to it, yes, ma'am, I agree, I will.
Speaker 5: I would be looking to attack their interior. Like I
Speaker 5: was talking to you guys about before, I think that
Speaker 5: Brown and Memes are are pretty good at keeping up
Speaker 5: that edge and making keeping it walled off for a borough.
Speaker 5: I think that is a huge reason why he's playing well, y'all,
Speaker 5: just be honest with you, because he when he was struggling,
Speaker 5: it was a lot of that pressure and stuff was
Speaker 5: coming from the tackle position, so he now he can
Speaker 5: just sit there. He can see when that pressure is
Speaker 5: coming in his and he doesn't mind. Like when I'm
Speaker 5: watching him, I see him feel the pressure coming from
Speaker 5: the middle because he can escape to the edges. And
Speaker 5: he also knows his tackles are going and go out
Speaker 5: and run with them. That gives him confidence. So I
Speaker 5: do think that Dallas should attack the interior of this
Speaker 5: offensive line if that's where they gonna get it. I
Speaker 5: think that's where they're gonna make most of their money.
Speaker 5: Because also too, we didn't get into it, but the
Speaker 5: Bengals tight ends are willing to block on the side.
Speaker 7: They can help.
Speaker 5: They are very willing blockers, not super flashy, not super fancy.
Speaker 5: Eric Al, I'm sorry what happened to you? Oh Jesus oh.
Speaker 5: Eric All is one of my favorite tight ends in
Speaker 5: this draft. Came back towards a cl came back, got drafted,
Speaker 5: was killing it his first few weeks of the football season.
Speaker 5: Tears this ACL again a few weeks ago. My heart
Speaker 5: goes out to him. He's a heck of a player.
Speaker 5: But their tight ends are very willing to block, so
Speaker 5: I do think attack the middle of them going on.
Speaker 9: So this needs to be one of the games of
Speaker 9: the year for Osa then and.
Speaker 5: And in fairness, we've seen oh soo DIGGI Zua start
Speaker 5: like he's taking an uptick anyway and pressures and stuff.
Speaker 5: But you're starting to see more of his explosiveness because
Speaker 5: Masie Smith's holding it down. I'm telling you, like he's
Speaker 5: he's playing far better football. But that's also gonna allow
Speaker 5: Zimmer to do some of the blitzing up the middle
Speaker 5: that he wants to do, because I think that's the
Speaker 5: best way to do it. Because this guy's gonna escape
Speaker 5: and he's gonna make you pay. That's why one thing
Speaker 5: I like about him, he's competitive, he's sweeten the fast,
Speaker 5: but he wants to make you pay. He's like, oh,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm just here, cool guy with machades and stuff,
Speaker 5: and then he sees you in coverage tripping and he's
Speaker 5: gonna make you pay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, hopefully the Cowboys make the Bengals pay.
Speaker 3: Do you think we hope?
Speaker 5: Hope?
Speaker 4: All Right, this has been fun, a great day on
Speaker 4: the show, but we gotta wrap. Fry Morrison, Christy Scales
Speaker 4: and Nicole had to sin We'll be back here tomorrow.
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